1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, ba fam, it's Mandy Money. I am. I 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: don't even know beyond I just had this conversation. So 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm coming back to you guys to introduce today's guest. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: And I'm just sort of like, you know, the endorphins 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: that you get from doing something really good for you, 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: like going for a walk or going for a run. 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: I feel that tingly sensation of like that was such 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: a great conversation. I met such a beautiful soul and 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: just someone who's like salt of the earth, so down 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: to earth, but so accomplished and isn't even done, is 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: going on a new journey for herself. And her name 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: is Dsha Dyer. Let me tell you about my new 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: Bestiedisha Dyer. She is a former White House Social Secretary. 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: And if you listen to the show, it's not what 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: you think. That job is not what I thought it 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: was at all. It's way it's way cooler. It involves 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 1: things like Prince not wanting to change outfits to take 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: a picture with mister and missus President Obama. It involves 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder just being like casually in a room and 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: her not even being nervous because he's just there all 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: the time. It involves picking out what fruits and goodies 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: are going to be in the Obama's hotel room when 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: they arrive on their vacation in Australia. Come on, y'all, 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: this was such an incredible conversation. And Desha is here 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: because she has a book that just came out, and 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you all about it. It's called Undiplomatic. 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: How my attitude created the best kind of trouble. It 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: has not only been endorsed by our forever first Lady herself, 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: but by so many others. She is more than just 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: the former White House Social Secretary, though she is a 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: dedicated public servant. I love that I'm doing this intro 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: after I got to meet her, because I can even 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: add more color. She is a Philly native, so you know, 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I had to show off the fact that I know 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: what a jawn is and she's probably gonna be like God, 36 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: she did not say it out loud. Did I do 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: it okay? Any Philly? Ba? Did I do john right? Anyway? 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: She is born and bred from Philly, lives in DC. 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Is a world traveler, is someone who did not take 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: a traditional path in her career, even her education y'all. 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: And I love when a badass woman takes the unbeaten 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: path and ends up shining because of it. Every step 43 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: that she took on her journey led her to go 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: exactly where she was and where she will continue to go. 45 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: And it's just beautiful. From three, not one, not two, 46 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: but three stabs at getting a college degree, to going 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: back and getting her associates at community college, from leaving 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: her full time career to go be an unpaid White 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: House intern at thirty something, y'all, this is a woman 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: with courage. This is a woman who's not afraid to 51 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: turn over a blank page and see what she can 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: do with it. And I just know that you'll be 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: so inspired the same way that I was. So Without 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: further ado, here is today's guest, my conversation with Dsha Dyer. Okay, so, 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: how first of all, easy question, start us all off. 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: How did you end up in the Obama White House? Yes? 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: And so I ended up there with a starting with 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: a White House internship. And so I went back to 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: college when I was twenty nine years old, and so 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: I was going part time community college all I could afford. 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: That's the only college that would accept me. And you know, 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: that was when all the buzz about Barack Obama was 63 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: happening in the world, and I think you could probably remember. 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: It was like electric. I mean, you could not go 65 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: anywhere without seeing that Hope poster without seeing black folks 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: with like the pins and putting pictures of the family 67 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: and their house. And it'd be like, do you even 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: know these people? Plate? The plates a plate like the 69 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: T shirts and so and so I was captivated like 70 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: everybody else, I think, right. And I was a community leader, 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: so I'd always been in the community. And so I 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: got an application for the White House Internship of in 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: September of two thousand and nine. I got it for 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: the for that class starting, but I got it before 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: and it basically said, Dsha, you know you do so 76 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: much with community. I was doing a bunch with youth, 77 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: and you know I've always for years been a mentor, 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: and can you pass this on to the two students, 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, you know the new black president, because you 80 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: know that's what we call them, the black girl. 81 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: So they reached out to you. 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: As they meeting, like it was like the state senators, 83 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: like the local people who are working on the Obama campaign. 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: So they want to list Serve, and they got it 85 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: from some list serve. They sent it to all these 86 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: community leaders and just people they knew that had access 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: to young people, and I was one of them. So 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: that is how I got it. It was not and 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: it was to pass on. It wasn't for me. It 90 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: was like, DH, you know some people. And I looked 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: at the application. I was like, well, it looks like 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: I'm some people. 93 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Because I love that. 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: You were like, or I could just take this, or 95 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: I could just not make them competition and so and 96 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: so I looked at it and lo and behold. There 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: was no age requirement, no school requirement besides, like you 98 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: had to be active in college and you know, write 99 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: some essays. I was a hip hop the list. I 100 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: was like, I can do this, and so I did, 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: and then they chose me as a intern. Yeah that's 102 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: how I got there. 103 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Incredible. Yeah, I mean, I know it wasn't post. I 104 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: feel like during when he was actually elected, it would 105 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: have been insane the number of applications. 106 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: But it was. 107 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: It was two thousand probably already was insane. 108 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody was the star, amazing and he was Everybody 109 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: wanted to work for him or figure out how to 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: work for him. So the internship was like a good 111 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: way for like the young politicos to like you know, 112 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: but most of them weren't black, and they weren't you know, 113 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: they were all from fancy places. And but then I 114 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: got there and met so that weren't and I was like, 115 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: you are my people, like you were my people? 116 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, so what was that internship? What does that 117 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: even entail? How was it like a three month thing? 118 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: And then was it extended? 119 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: It was not, So it was exactly three months. It 120 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: was semester. It was like basically like the semester of quarters. 121 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: I guess whatever. And it was September through December, and 122 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: I got put in this scheduling in an advanced department, 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: which is a department that does the traveling and the 124 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: schedule for the pre first Lady. And it's definitely not 125 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: the department I wanted because I wanted the office of 126 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: the first Lady because the like who don't want to 127 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: work with the Obama and they were like, yeah, I'm 128 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: just like what do you need? Like you need two 129 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: coffees and sugar in your coffee. I was ready to 130 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: do whatever, but I got in scheduled in advance and 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: it was great because I was thirty one, so being 132 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: a thirty one year old intern is not typical. And 133 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: so I got a lot of work that I think 134 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: a lot of usually staffers got or like, I just 135 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: knew how to operate in a work environment that maybe 136 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: the younger folks did not because of anything wrong with them. 137 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: They just were younger and not have life skill, was exactly. 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: And so I did that for three months and then 139 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: I left after that was over a great experience, had 140 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: a wonderful time, got home and went back to my 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: regular job. But I just felt different. I was like, 142 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: I just accomplished this amazing thing. I can't I got 143 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: to figure out a way to do more with my 144 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: like to do something else, And so I quit my job. 145 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: And about a week later of quitting my job putting 146 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: my notice at my job, I got a call from 147 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: the White House for a full time job. So then 148 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: I moved back down to DC summer of twenty ten 149 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: and started and left January twenty at twenty seventeen. 150 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: Were you really working at Obo Palm? 151 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: I was, I was over. I was working there before. 152 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: So she I work at the French Store. I was 153 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: working there before before the White before like I even 154 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: applied for the White House. So all bum paying was 155 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: like my teenage years leading into like my twenties, and 156 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: then I stopped working there once I had like a 157 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: day job and then was college hip. I was writing 158 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: a peer counselor, so I stopped it at that point. 159 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, but that was my that was my place. 160 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: That's basically how I ate my twenties. 161 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: I would say, I love that you are a thirty 162 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: something intern that should be normalized. Where did you get 163 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: Where did you get the It sounds crazy, but you 164 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: need a lot of like you need to be courageous, 165 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: says Hell to put yourself in a position. A lot 166 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: of people, the pride would get in the way on 167 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: an intern. I should be this by now, I'm thirty. Whatever. 168 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: What was that like mindset process for you? How did 169 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: you know that was what I should be doing right now? 170 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I was definitely scared like everybody else, 171 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: I think you know, for me, you know, I never 172 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: had anything to fall back on, Like I didn't have 173 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: parents that were rich, I didn't have I didn't know anything. 174 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Like matter of fact, I'm having my first call today, 175 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: which is which is with this with this podcast with 176 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: a financial advisor. You know what I'm saying, Like, I 177 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: did not like this is my first time, because there's 178 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: a shame associated with so much you don't know. But 179 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: I think that I knew that I was a leader 180 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: in the community. I knew that like everything Barack Obama 181 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: was talking about and what he was like was exactly 182 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: what I was. Like. I wasn't in it for I 183 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: didn't think I would go to work at the White House, 184 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: but I was so captivated by what we could do 185 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: with government. Once I learned a little bit more and 186 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 2: I learned more listening to Barack Obama and then kind 187 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: of like diving into stuff before I was like politics, 188 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: what like what is this? Like, No, this is dumb, 189 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: this is like not for black people, absolutely not. And 190 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: so I think that the application, honestly, Mandy, was so 191 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: easy for the internship, Like it was like fill out 192 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: an application and then like write an essay, And I 193 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm a writer, so I can write 194 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: an essay. Like it was like almost so easy that 195 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: I was like why not try? So I think my 196 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: courage came from knowing that I could try, not that 197 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: I would get it, like it was more like, well, 198 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: I know I could, I could put the application in, 199 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: so I'm just going to do that and if it 200 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: doesn't work there, then it doesn't work. It's fine, you know. 201 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: So that's the kind of the way I looked at 202 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: it a little bit. 203 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Well, you brought up finances, so let's talk about your finances. 204 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Do you get paid as an intern? 205 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: What happened? O? No? No, you used to not. They 206 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: do now because they've come to their common senses that like, 207 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: that's disgusting, But back then it was. It was unpaid labor. 208 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: They give you, they give you money to get to work. 209 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: They give you a metro card so you can make 210 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: sure me it's the job. But you're like, preod, I 211 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: can work, but I can't eat. 212 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: But that well is she? We're working on events, right 213 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: you just like, did you like take some snacks and yeah, 214 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: go to the or are you playing a lot of tastings? 215 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: I love? That was my s my senior year. That 216 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: was my last year when I was an employee. But 217 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: during an internship, like, your events are more like rallies, 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: so there's no like and you're an intern, so you 219 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: definitely want to be seeing grabbing a cliff bar right, 220 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: You're just like somebody can see me. But I was 221 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: very This is the thing about courage and thinking about 222 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: going for things is it's unpaid internship. I was like, 223 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna try and if I get it, then 224 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: i'll figure I'll figure it. I'll get a job at night. 225 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: Like I'm a hustler. I'm fine, I'll go back to 226 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: the album on paying them. 227 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: Fine, because you're work, you're in school full time. 228 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm in school full time, but I'm well 229 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: part time. But then I also had a full time job, 230 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: so I was like, so my whole thing was I'll 231 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: figure it out. Like I don't mind working nights and 232 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: weekends somewhere, and that's not a big thing for me 233 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: at a grocery store, I don't mind that. So but my 234 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: job that I had, they actually did a fundraiser for me. 235 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: I didn't know, and they raised four thousand dollars and 236 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: then my CEO of the company gave me ten thousand. 237 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: So I ended up going to DC with fourteen thousand 238 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: dollars that I didn't know I was going to have. 239 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: And I always tell people that because I'm just like, 240 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know about that money. I didn't know about 241 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: that money. No, my CEO from my real estate job. 242 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: I had a real estate job. 243 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Of course I was a hustler. 244 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: I was a secretary. Yes, I was a secretary. And 245 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: it was just like, that's why you have to take chances, 246 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: cause it's just like, yeah, I didn't know I was 247 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: going to pay for it, But if I would have 248 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: focused on the fact that I couldn't afford it because 249 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: it was unpaid, I would have never tried to not 250 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: know I was going to get fourteen thousand dollars. So 251 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: I always tell people, like, go after it, and if 252 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: you get your figure, I promise you it'll work out. 253 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: But like, if you're too scared to even try, then 254 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: the universe won't meet you halfway, you know what I mean. 255 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: So I got very lucky and being like and that's 256 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: also what gave me the ability to quit my job 257 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: later because I was like, I got that money, So 258 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: I quit my job after that. 259 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel very connected to that story because 260 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: when I was in college, I remember much much smaller scale, 261 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: but I was I feel like we both are in journalist. 262 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know you were a hip hop journalist. Yeah, 263 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: in your past life. 264 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't go to school for it. I just 265 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: ended up writing about I started writing about it. 266 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm not here to endorse a four year degree for 267 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: something you can just do and get better at. But anyway, 268 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: where did you go to school? University of Georgia? Okay, nice, Yeah, 269 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: they have a good journalism program anyhow, not unless you 270 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: were graduating into the Great Recession when No. Anyway, but 271 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: when I was in college, I had applied and gotten 272 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: a really coveted magazine internship in New York City. I 273 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: couldn't afford the airfare to get there. I was going 274 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: to get paid once I started to work, and I 275 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: remember asking the dean or the dean of the college 276 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: or someone in higher up. It's some old white guy 277 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: and sitting in his office, and I was like, is 278 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: there anything you can do? Because I'm like gonna go 279 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: represent Grady, But I can't because I can't afford the 280 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: airfare because I was like paying my own rent. Anyway, 281 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: and one of the professors I found out later had 282 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: cut a check like from him his personal wallet. That 283 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: happened two times in my life. Once, when I was twelve, 284 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: some teachers got together to make it possible for me 285 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: to go on a school trip that I couldn't afford, 286 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: and then anyway, So it's just it's beautiful. It's so hard. 287 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: You don't want to be someone who puts a handout, 288 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: but if you share what you're doing and your story, 289 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: people will want to support you. 290 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, it's really beautiful. Yeah, this is the 291 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: courage of putting it out there. When did you find 292 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: out that the teachers did that? When you were twelve? 293 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh? You know, I wish I can't say that. I 294 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: went back to the school and someone was like, did 295 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: you ever know that they really made it possible? Logic 296 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: taught me that. In my mother we sort of put 297 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: the pieces together because you know, to pay for the flight. 298 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't like here's a check. It was why don't 299 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: you give me your own flight details and we'll you know, 300 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: get that taken care of you. 301 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: You know. 302 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: For teachers to do that, teachers, you know, yeah, just 303 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: incredible And I yeah, if I ever got the chance 304 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: to thank them, that would be amazing. I wouldn't be 305 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: able to do it. In French, they may feel like 306 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: what did they pay for? 307 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: What they pay for? It was the Paris? Was it 308 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: trip to Paris? 309 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: It was Paris. Yeah, I went to Versaill the long story. 310 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Don't take me down this you've done. Okay, I know 311 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: I love I love a tangent, but no one wants 312 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: to hear about it. 313 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: I love that though, I love that, and I love that. 314 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: You know on the on the after show. Okay, So 315 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: you get this call to go back full time after 316 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: you have quit your real estate job. H okay, secretary 317 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: as a secretary, your professional brand was so great. They 318 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: were like, we love working with Tisha. We got to 319 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: have her back. So then is it like, Okay, quit everything, 320 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm starting this brand new career. Were you still in school? 321 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: What did that? What happened? 322 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: It was? And so I started back at the White 323 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: House June of twenty ten, and I got put in 324 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: the same department as a page as a full time job. 325 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: And then I kept going to school nights online, and 326 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: then the weekends I would go home to Philly and 327 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: go to my Saturday class. And so I would literally 328 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: take the megabus or greyhound, whichever one, but could not 329 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: afford no amstrak. So I would take the mega Bus 330 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: of the greyhound back to deep back to Philly, and 331 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: then I graduated with my associates degree in twenty twelve, 332 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: So I was going to community college. So I graduated 333 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: two years later while I was at the White House. 334 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: But before that I got promoted. You know, I'd already 335 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: gotten to a promotion by then, and then I got 336 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: promoted two more times after that, Like my degree had 337 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. Well, were women in gender studies, 338 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: but it was more for me, like the White House, 339 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: I worked in the operation side, So it's different from 340 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: like a policy side, Like operations is a very logistical, 341 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: like learned kind of a job, versus like you got 342 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: to study for it, like operations is on the job training, 343 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: like you got to be quick like and so I 344 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: just wanted to finish. For me, it had nothing to 345 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: do with the job. I could have just stopped going 346 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: to school, but I was like, this is like my 347 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: third or four time at college, you know. So I 348 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: at this point, I'd already stopped writing because you can't 349 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: I can't write about like hip hop and also work 350 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: at the White House. So I was doing the White 351 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: House in school and that's all I did. And I 352 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: eventually got promoted to the senior position of Social Secretary, 353 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: which was the one that like did the state dinners 354 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. 355 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, and as you are getting those promotions, I 356 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: wish there were more examples like yourself where you didn't 357 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: have to take a traditional four year college degree route 358 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: to get somewhere. So if you're like, if you're looking 359 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: back at what it was that kept you, you know, 360 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: continuing to get opportunities in that environment, what would you say, Yeah, humble, 361 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: brag on yourself. What was it that was leading to 362 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: those opportunities? 363 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: I will say, Mandy, I was the first thing for 364 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: me is curiosity, Like I was so curious about what 365 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: else I was able to do, like like how far 366 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: I could go. I was just so enamored with even 367 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: the fact that got chosen to intern. Then I got hired, 368 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: and then like this job came open to travel with 369 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: the President and First Lady all over the world to 370 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 2: do their hotels. And I'm like, they say in five 371 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: star that means ikedam five star, and I was like, 372 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: this is the life. Like yes, I was like, this 373 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: is a job. Yeah. So I so I had that 374 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: job for I traveled with them and I got to 375 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: go to every like all these different countries and stay 376 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: in these five star places and set up the hotels. 377 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: Then I got promoted to Deputy Social Secretary because I 378 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: wanted to like bring the community in, like I wanted 379 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: to have a say and who the guest lists were, 380 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: who was the choir singing? 381 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: Who was When I read social secretary, what is that? 382 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Even I thought it was like social media. I know, 383 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: social networks like the young they. 384 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: Need a young, young, young person for that. No, social secretary. 385 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: Social secretary is a job that was a senior position 386 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: in the White House, which is like a so like 387 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: you're basically in charge of all the parties and events, 388 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: anything that happens in the executive mansion in sixteen hundred 389 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: Penceyvan you you're in charge. 390 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: Of RL social you guys, this is real social experience. 391 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: Yes, this is like social secretary, like the guest list, 392 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: the food, the music, everything that happens there. Like you 393 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: get the direction obviously from the president first Lady, and 394 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: then you help execute their vision of anything private, anything professional, 395 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: so state dinners, July fourth parties, you know, press, press briefings. 396 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: So that was my department and it sits in the 397 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: First Lady's office, So the Social Secretary, and it's like 398 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: an old you know, old school term. 399 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: Right clerity sitting in the first Michelle's office. 400 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny it sits in her office, but then 401 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: you work for both of them, like you still like 402 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: doing all because anything that happens in the house is 403 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: your jurisdiction. 404 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: That says so much about when you're the And I 405 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: hate to be heteronormative, but one of the tropes that 406 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: I find myself falling into, I don't know if you 407 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: would also identify, is that our social life is my masterpiece. Yes, 408 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: it is my It's my marbled slab that I chi 409 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: and this like statue. And my husband doesn't appreciate it 410 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: because he just gets to show up to the barbecues 411 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: and the cookouts and the pool invites. And I'm like, 412 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: do you know what I have had to do to 413 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: go through it? 414 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Guess to make sure that like everything is said, that 415 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: all of our and I think that, And I loved 416 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: those I was doing those things before the White House, 417 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: like in the community with like HIV AIDS work or 418 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: whatever else I was doing, and so I just took 419 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: everything I did and like it just it came back. 420 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: Even like the hip hop writing, It was like I 421 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: wrote about hip hop because I didn't like the way 422 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: that women were always portrayed and people like didn't glorify 423 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: like the MC's and the breakdancers, the be girls, and 424 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: I'm like producers, I'm like, there's so many dope women 425 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: in hip hop, but y'all just talk about the dancers. 426 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 2: And so the fact that like my last job at 427 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: the White House was like essentially part of it was 428 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: a party job, I was like, oh, this is perfect, 429 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: Like of course we can bring in Questlove or Jazzy 430 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: Jeff or whoever, because like they're from Hilly and I know. 431 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: So it was like a whole what goes around comes around. 432 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: And when you think that, like you're doing this hip 433 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: hop journalist and I just got paid ten dollars an 434 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: article and just writing about whatever and everybody else to 435 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: go in to business in law school, You're just like, 436 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: how can this actually benefit me? But that's what I 437 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: love to do, And then how it benefited me? Who 438 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: knew years later I'd be at the White House though 439 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: in hip hop? 440 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: No wonder you wrote a book, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Wonder 441 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: the stories you must have to tell? Okay, so many stories? 442 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: What is one anecdote? Like there was this, here's what 443 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to give I don't want to 444 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: lead the witness, but like tell me something surprising about 445 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: like one of those like just a funny like you 446 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: never believe so and so you know, I don't know, 447 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: did this silly thing not silly, but like kind of 448 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: funny thing at an event or something? 449 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, I mean we had, I mean 450 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: everything every day there was different and everything I feel 451 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: like was all. I think that the one thing that 452 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: I always tell people and it's actually not no, it 453 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: was not in the book actually, but when Prince came, 454 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: you know, it was really interesting because Prince, you know, 455 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: he's Jehovah's Witness, and so he didn't celebrate holidays or 456 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: anything to birthdays. So we would always want him to 457 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: come for like you know, missus Obama's birthday or something 458 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: of July. It's like, you know, obviously a celebration, and 459 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: he'd be like, no, I don't. 460 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm one of the biggest like party songs like party 461 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: like as nineteen ninety nine. 462 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: So he parties, but like, he didn't celebrate holidays, and 463 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: so we had to get we had to figure out 464 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: getting Prince to the White House for something because Missus 465 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: Obama loved. I mean, we all love prints, but like 466 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: but figure it out and then like figure out how 467 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: to do it on like the sly, you know what 468 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: I mean. So people did not know that Prince came 469 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: until like it leaked. He actually leaked himself, like he 470 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 2: said in a concert, but it was one of these 471 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: things where he refused to take like a formal picture 472 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: in the same outfit he performed in. So like, so 473 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: we don't have any formal pictures of Prince with the 474 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: Obamas just went on stage when he was and he's like, oh, 475 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: I'll be bad. Like he's like, let me come back, 476 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: and like actually tore the see everything, and then he 477 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: passed away. But I was just like, but he was 478 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: so particular, I mean so particular. He's like, I can't 479 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: take any photos in the same outfit. And we were like, 480 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: your Prince, you could do whatever you want. Yeah, you 481 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: can live here. Do you want to move in? 482 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: Like you know he doesn't have like a handler with 483 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: a bag of extra clothes. 484 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he did, but it still was like, 485 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: you know, he had to be in his spot to 486 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: change and his and we kept saying like, do you 487 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: want to come back? Tomorrow, like do you want to 488 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: come early? 489 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: So you're talking, You're seeing eye to eye with Prince. 490 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, how do you? I almost lost my mind? 491 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: How do you cope? 492 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: I think that the good the good thing is is 493 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: I worked for Brock and Michelle Obama, So it's kind 494 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: of like I forgot a lot of people. There are 495 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: a lot of people who were just like I was 496 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: always even keeled souse. I was like, this is your 497 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 2: this is everyone else, yes, and so it was just 498 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: like this is her. But I think when Prince came, 499 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: because that party had like Prince Stevie Wonder, and I 500 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: remember being like I was in the room with Prince 501 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: and Sevie Wonder, and I was like, this is like 502 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: my eighties, Like this is like my aid dream has 503 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: come true, like as we're in seventy eight and so 504 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: I'm like that whole era of like MJ skin. 505 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: Tipped hair, Were you were you, would you be? Tiffany 506 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: has been to the White House twice every year for 507 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: the sake of the Union. She was invited to go 508 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: to the State of the Union with influencers, like social 509 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: media influencers and sit at the White House and watch 510 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: it and then Joe Biden would come through and say, Hi, 511 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: would you have been the person to arrange that? To 512 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: arrange that, yes, okay, from the. 513 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: Invites to the guests was to making sure like once 514 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: they got they got on, they got in the house, 515 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: that they knew where to sit. So myself and then 516 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: obviously a whole team of other people right that work 517 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 2: with that are so amans of the executive residence team, 518 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: like the chefs and the butlers and all that. But 519 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: that was my job to, like, you know, like when 520 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: we had an event, like help put all of that 521 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: together from the top. 522 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: So yep, yeah, wow, okay, okay, So tell me what 523 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: was the most starstruck like where you were really in 524 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: fear that you wouldn't be able to do something you 525 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: needed to do. 526 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 2: Say, I mean Prince and CEV wondered, but we're not 527 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: no TeV because he came along, But I'd say Prince, 528 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: but I would say probably our last Like the last 529 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: huge concert we had was second to last. 530 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: That's like one, That's what I was going to ask about. 531 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: It was all black, literally every melanated. 532 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: Everyone talks about that being our last party, but we 533 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 2: had another party that was like secretive after that we 534 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: had like another party January. I think it was January seventh, 535 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. That party was October the BT Party, 536 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 2: and then we had another party in January. But the 537 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: October party was like the Roots Jill Scott BBD. I 538 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: mean it was like again and I was just was 539 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: standing by the stage, like like just dancing by the stage, 540 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: like trying to be professional but also being like this 541 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 2: is my you know. But the funny thing about that concert, 542 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: which is so hilarious is the biggest conversations that we 543 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: had was whether when they were singing poison BBD, if 544 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: they could say big button a smile at the White House. 545 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, we don't care. Like at 546 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: that point also we were leaving, Yeah, like we don't care, Senior. 547 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, it's because it was also airing after 548 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: the election, so we were like we really don't care. 549 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: So and once the election went ari we were like, 550 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 2: thank god we made that decision of just not caring. 551 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, but that was probably the starstruck moment of 552 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: like seeing all the people I grew up with like 553 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: on stage and like hearing BBD saying like poison, and 554 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: I was just a day Last Soul and it was 555 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: just like yes, yes day, Last Soul was there. 556 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: It was just it was just it was black, Like 557 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: oh man, what at the time did you feel the 558 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: pressure of being a part of like living history. 559 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: On I mean, I think that part of it was 560 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: also like my job was a public facing job. Well 561 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: my work was public facing, so you know, it wasn't 562 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: there was not room for mistakes, like unfortunately, like these 563 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: all these nice mantras that we say about like it's 564 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: okay to make a mistake, like okay if you fail, 565 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: like that's not like the White House. It's like you 566 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: have one time, Like I'm not that part. He's not 567 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: going to happen again. The State Dinner's not going to 568 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 2: happen again. So if I mess up, something could be 569 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: on the front of the paper and nobody thinks like, oh, 570 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: you know, the chef or the butler or whoever. They're 571 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: like Dsha Dier's a social secretary, so like she messed 572 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: up somewhere. 573 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: So it was a long represent them. 574 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: There was a lot of pressure, you know. But I 575 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: would say that I was very thankful that I had 576 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: such an experienced team that was so great that I 577 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: was like, I'll be okay, like they taught me. They 578 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 2: so much so it was just like I'll be all right. 579 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I need to shout out the publicist and 580 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: the email pitching and the connecting with sources, like, I 581 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: don't know, you probably had more than just this, this 582 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: gentleman Jackson, but he did such a stellar job, y'all. 583 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: And I'm going to read one of his summarized questions 584 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: because I just think one it is so effusively like 585 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: he loves you. I can tell, and too, I want 586 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: to ask you about it. It says authenticity, for Dsha 587 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: isn't worth sacrificing. Dsha was most fulfilled when she was 588 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: not stifling her personality or her blackness. She loved bringing 589 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: marching bands, gospel choirs, art exhibitions, and dancers to the 590 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: Obama White House, seeing the looks on their faces, the 591 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: same awe struck look that she had when she first 592 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: walked in those doors. That's so nice. You organize an 593 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: all black choir to sing for Pope Francis and an 594 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: audience of twelve thousand people in the White House lawn. 595 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: What does it feel like to look back? Yeah, yeah, 596 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: at those memories? 597 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: You know. Number one, Jackson is amazing, So. 598 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: I like reaching out Jackson just yes sounding. 599 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: What I will say is when I look back on 600 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: those times, I'm really proud of myself because it would 601 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: have been very easy, I think, to bend to tradition, 602 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 2: especially a place like the White House. And I'm not 603 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: saying tradition is always bad, just to be very clear, 604 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: Tradition doesn't always include us, nor does it include culture 605 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: at all. So I'm like, if I have an opportunity 606 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: to be the one who puts the choirs in front 607 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: of the president first Lady to choose or whatever, I'm 608 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: going to make sure that it represents us. And I 609 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: always felt like that with everything I did. You know, 610 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: I think I always say I had a black president 611 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: first Lady, so I didn't have to It was like 612 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: I had to convince them of anything. And when it 613 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: came to the Pope, they were just like, dshaw, you 614 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: know whatever, whatever whever you think is, we're good. And 615 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: I was like, well, there's there's an old historic black 616 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: Catholic church in here in DC called Saint Augustine's and 617 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: I was just like, we never see first of all, 618 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 2: we never see black calf with people like I can't 619 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: even name ten. 620 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, I, you're so right as you said that, 621 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I didn't even know, and. 622 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm just going to go. Literally, 623 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: I called them cole call and I was like, you 624 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: got a choir and they were like yeah. I said 625 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: when do you rehearse? They said Wednesday? I said great, great, 626 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: I'll be there. They were so it was so last 627 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: minute that they're not even in the program, like that 628 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: is how last minute that John was so. 629 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: Like, I'm sending the bus. 630 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: Get on it, yeah, get on it, like and they 631 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: sang total Praise, which was you know, it's in the 632 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: black community. And I wanted people at home or whoever 633 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: was watching to be like, oh my god, this black 634 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: choir is singing the song that's known in the black church, 635 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, total Praise. And I wanted people to feel 636 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: included in that, not in a corny sense, but just 637 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: like someone there was black, like somebody like this is 638 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: a black white house. And so I didn't know like 639 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: how it was going to go. And I looked over 640 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: in the President swaying, the Hope is swaying, and I 641 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: was like, yes, Pope, you know, yes, I was so excited. 642 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: I looked I was so tired. I looked over and 643 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, but I think that for me, 644 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: like being able to bring those moments forward and not 645 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: being afraid like I at that point, I was at 646 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: the top of the food chain, like like, you know, 647 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: what are you gonna say about me? We got two 648 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: more years, we're gonna leave, Like what are you gonna say? 649 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: So I really didn't. Opinions didn't matter too much to 650 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: me when it came to my job. I didn't as 651 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: long as I had the opinions and the buy in 652 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: of the president. For a lady, I was. 653 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: Good, Like I'm just gonna see c Barack here. 654 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, just that's the current of my last email. Missus 655 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: Obama said, you know so, and they tested me, which 656 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: which was so mean, like they were just like this, 657 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: you know, rag them uffing around the way. They were 658 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: just like good And I was like, okay. 659 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk. You mentioned you were so tired, and I 660 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: know that, let's not sugarcoat that experience, like it's intense. 661 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking as if I know I do not, 662 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: but I've read Jackson's incredible summary. But you mentioned you 663 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: have high blood pressure. Like talk to us about the physical, 664 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: the mental, the emotional demands of that job and how 665 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: you coped, yeah, to cope. 666 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's not I think it's not 667 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: just original to me. I think a lot of black women, 668 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: which is number one, just systems to be systeming. But 669 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: I feel but you know, for me, is I had 670 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: a very I had a very lack of self esteem. 671 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: Although I had courage and I love my job, I 672 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: was still always looking around like am I qualified for this? 673 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: Because I don't have all these pedigrees that everyone else has. 674 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: But I think that the stress on top of that 675 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: and top of like the pressure on top of me 676 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: not taking care of myself, me like eating NonStop like 677 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: whatever I wanted to, and also my job. We walked 678 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: around the White House, but like I sat down a 679 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: lot too. So I think all of these things added 680 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: together like took my you know, my high blood pressure 681 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: to an extreme and so you know it's in my family. 682 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: But but you know, the type two diabetes came later. 683 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: That came last year, last year, It came last year. 684 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: But I was always pre diabetic since you know, and 685 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it, you know, we are 686 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: I think the people that is just like diet and 687 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: exercise diet, exercise, let's Michelle, And that's great, but also 688 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of stress and external factors that contribute 689 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: to us having diabetes and high blood pressure. And you can, 690 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: you can work out, you can eat, you can eat well, 691 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: but if your stress is not reduced like you're going to, 692 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: it's going to affect you. So I think that I 693 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: got a lot of that there. It was I was, 694 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: I was, I was sick, you know, and I kept 695 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: going and going, which then taught me the lesson of 696 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: just like no job ever anywhere, it's you know, worth 697 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: your health. You know. I was in the hospital twice 698 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: and it wasn't the present and first ladies doing it 699 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: was my own, like you know, I gotta be perfect, 700 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: I gotta do this and I can't take a day off. 701 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: It was so that the you know, the book really 702 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 2: focuses on the lesson of taking care of ourselves because like, 703 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: you know, I'm feeling the effects now, you know what 704 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean. But I always when I tell young people, 705 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: it's like old lady, you know, They're just like, all right, whatever, 706 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: and I'm like. 707 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: All right, I'm in your pocket. I am in the 708 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: pocket of your audience. Yes, yes, When I say thought, yes, 709 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like where, I'm like, how's your kidney check 710 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: on your kidney numbers? You know, because that's all my 711 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: dad is, my whole family. It's like everybody has kidney 712 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: failure and stage whatever, and it starts with high blood 713 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: pressure and it starts with diabetes. No, I'm sorry, I 714 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: don't want to like I'm not a source of like 715 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: knowledge on that, but yeah, their struggles caught me like 716 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: seeing like I connected the dots because my dad, you know, 717 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: kidney failure. I'm like, well, my kidneys are great, but 718 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: when I was pregnant, I had gestational diabetes. I was 719 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: very close to being pre diabetic. After my pregnancy, when 720 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: I was supposed to be like, you know, in the clear. 721 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: And once I went through all that stuff with my family, 722 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: my dad in the hospital, my uncle passing, my grandpa 723 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: passing all from kidney like complications of kidney failure, I 724 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: was like, eye, blood pressure, diabetes, So you know, got 725 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: to get ahead of this. And so here I am 726 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: today with my nutritionist, Yes, being late to a podcast 727 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: because I got to flip a fish. 728 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to overcook my cot That's what I'm saying, 729 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: And that's the thing is like whatever it takes, and 730 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: I just and I just try to get that message 731 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: across because we also, you know, as black women, like 732 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: we go into these environments that are full of aggressions 733 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: and bias and stuff, and so we are working over 734 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: time to just survive and live. Well, that takes up 735 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: energy and stre like that's gonna make me reach for 736 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: chicken fingers, Like I'm like, that's easy, and there is 737 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: a science to it. So again I'm not an expert either. 738 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: I just know that for me, I wanted people to 739 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: be real about like I experienced that at the highest 740 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: most glamorous, this glamorous job, and I still felt that 741 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: way right And so hopefully by the end of the 742 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: book people are just like I don't tell people how 743 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: to live. I just say just watch, you know, just 744 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: hopefully this motivates you to go check yourself out and 745 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: then watch the environment and what you're in. But yeah, 746 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: the pressure was, you know, unreal, but a lot of 747 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: it the present. First late when I went to the 748 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: hospital towards the end, they were just like dsha, like 749 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: take time off, like we don't want you, we want 750 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: you here for us. In the end, like we want 751 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: you with us, and they made me take Michelle put. 752 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: Her hand on your knee and just yea like Auntie talk. 753 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: It's hugs. It's all the hugs in the world. And 754 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: she's there just like and the President puts hand on 755 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 2: my shoulder and he's like, you need to you need 756 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: to go home for a week like and to take 757 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: a week off of that job to sit at home. 758 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: And it's just like, what is happening, Like, no, I 759 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 2: need to be working. And they were like no, no, no. 760 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: And that was December twenty sixteen, so they were just like, 761 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: we want you with us at the end January. And 762 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: now it's just like, okay, hard God had special people. 763 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 2: They are they are great. 764 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: I bet your shoulders still feels warm. 765 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: It does. I mean I still see them, so it's 766 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: like I'm so I still get very blessed and lucky 767 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: I get to still travel with them once in a while. 768 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, So. 769 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: Talk about your I mean, I don't want to say 770 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: second act because you've had so many reinventions of d show, 771 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: which do you look back on those reinventions as like 772 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: for me, I'm a I through the podcast, I do 773 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 1: a lot of career and negotiation coaching, so I help 774 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: women really stand in their power and write. 775 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 2: Let me write that down so I can remember. 776 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: Please do you can help negotiating your contracts, your speaking fees? 777 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: You know, I call that on something. I think I 778 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: saw that on your Instagram or something. 779 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I might have noticed you liked a reel. 780 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: I probably did because I'm I told my girlfriends I'm 781 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: very nosy. I'm nosy. Oh yeah, but I'm nosy. But 782 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 2: now on Facebook, which I'm not only that much. I'm 783 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: only on for the book now. I don't know if 784 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: you're on, but you get it has the thing this 785 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: is ad friend and if you scroll like too fast, 786 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 2: it'll click ad friend, and so you gotta be real careful. 787 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: I like that. 788 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, And I was. 789 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: Like, you know, see, they probably made that so because 790 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: they're like, we need new users. 791 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly on here more. Yeah. Yeah, but the negotiations. 792 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Is yes, because I can't imagine talk to me about 793 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: did you negotiate any of your pay? You can't. It's 794 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: got to be so hard because it's like do you 795 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: want to work for the Obamas or no, like how 796 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: dare you? 797 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 2: But now you would be you would be morrified, probably 798 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: because I accepted the job, like when it was offered 799 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: to me, like and remember this is also twenty ten, right, 800 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 2: so it was like exempt the job, like on the spot, 801 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 2: like called me, and I was like, I'll take I 802 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: didn't even know how much I was getting paid, and 803 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: so I started the paperwork and I noticed that the 804 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: pay was less than when I got paid as a 805 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: real estate secretary. And I was like, I'm taking a 806 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: pay cut. I mean, I was just like but I 807 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: was like, it's the White House. I'll figure it out. 808 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: And I had that money saved up, so I was like, 809 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: I'll figure it out. Teak okay, right, yeah, but there 810 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: was no there was zero negotiating. 811 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: But then you left, what was no This is when 812 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: you came back as you're so okay, But this is 813 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: the thing when you don't negotiate at the beginning. So 814 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: then what I don't want you to You don't have 815 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: to say numbers unless you want to. I don't believe 816 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: that that's anything. There's no shame in it. Like how 817 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: much were you making and then how much were you 818 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: in the beginning and when you left the White House? 819 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: What was your take home pay at the time? 820 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I when I went in as my 821 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 2: first job there, I was making thirty eight thousand dollars 822 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: a year, and then it went up. It went up 823 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: to forty five, then sixty five and then eighty five, 824 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: and then one teen, one hundred and eighteen thousand was 825 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: the last pay that I had. And it's all public 826 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 2: also anyway, but like it's it's it's you know, it's 827 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 2: my final pay. And it's interesting because I saw a 828 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: review about the book and somebody, I mean, I'm not 829 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 2: supposed to read them, but I do. And somebody was like, 830 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 2: she clearly has, you know, poor financial planning. I talk 831 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 2: about how I left and I only had eight thousand 832 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 2: dollars saved up because I was helping family and I 833 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: was paying like people don't understand, like the back of 834 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 2: sespecially with black people have to there's a lot going 835 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: on that you pay bills or I was paying old 836 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: student loans like all these. 837 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: Times, I'm impressed that you had eight thousand dollars. 838 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, eight thousand dollars saved up and bake after my 839 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 2: vacation pay and all that, and so I lived off 840 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: of that for like a couple of months until I 841 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: was like I gotta figure out what's next. And I 842 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: filed for unemployment because that's what they teach you how 843 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 2: to do that, because they know you're going to be 844 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 2: out of work or unless you've gotten the job right after. 845 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: So I have unemployment before I went to the Ford 846 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: Foundation and filled in for someone at Forward, and then 847 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: went back to for full time and started making like 848 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: adult people money. And that was just like, you couldn't 849 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: tell me nothing. I got my apartment in Harlem. I 850 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 2: was getting my nails done all the time. I was like, 851 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: this is the lot. I was living in New York 852 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 2: with the salary over two hundred and some thousand dollars, 853 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 2: and I was like. 854 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: I, which is just about like middle income in New York, 855 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: New York, right, Yeah? Well no you got no kids? Right? 856 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 2: No? Oh no kids? 857 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: Oh so you're living great, but at a kid or 858 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: two to that and you're like, oh, I'm poor. 859 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 2: No no kids. And I had my little apartment in 860 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: Harlem and was making great money at Forward, and then 861 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,919 Speaker 2: I left to go be a Harvard fellow. And then 862 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 2: when did you say it like that? Well, because I'm 863 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 2: because now I think about it was great and I 864 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 2: loved the fellowship and now I'm like that for money 865 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 2: was really good, and I did you negotiate that? You know? 866 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 2: You know what, I had a plan to going very high, 867 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 2: so I didn't realize how much even though I did 868 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 2: my research. And Darren Walker he's still the president. There 869 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: was a president at the time, and it was working 870 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 2: directly for him, and he matched. He came in, He's god, 871 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: that's what I was thinking too, And I was like, 872 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 2: and I was so stunned that it was that high 873 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 2: that I was just like, Okay, dang it, this is 874 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 2: what we're doing right. But but I went with the 875 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 2: Ford last week for a book talk and it was great. 876 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: I love the place. But but yeah, but I think that, 877 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just learning about negotiating, and now that 878 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: I have my own business, it's like learning about negotiating 879 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: contracts because people don't want to come up off this 880 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: money for your experience and time. And I'm just like, no, like, 881 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: I just have to be okay walking away if we're 882 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 2: not going to. 883 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: Come copy and past some stuff from Jackson's press kit, 884 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: like just yeah, like because they'll be like here take 885 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: the money, blank check. Ye No, but I mean I 886 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: don't want to under I also I have my own 887 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: business now. I left corporate. I was working for a 888 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: big bank and I left corporate in twenty twenty one. 889 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: You can talk about that. I bet we could talk 890 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: so much and be so much about that. Yes, but 891 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: negotiating as I loved negotiating throughout my career and with 892 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: your you know background. I think that people expect when 893 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: you work in the White House that part of the 894 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: job security is like, oh, don't worry your White House 895 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: staff like, well, you'll get another job. They have jobs 896 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: lined up for you. But you're saying that wasn't the case. 897 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: They were like, here's the Department of Laborers website. You're 898 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: going to file for your unemployment benefits right here. That's 899 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: wild to me. 900 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it depends on who you are, right because oh, oh, 901 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 2: maybe you've had who's like in the thirties. But I 902 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 2: also worked to the very end, so there wasn't time 903 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 2: for me to like network to look for jobs like 904 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: I worked until the last day, so there it wasn't 905 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 2: a situation where I could look for a job. Not 906 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 2: only that, but you know, when a party changes over 907 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 2: and the city changed from like Democrats or Republican, people 908 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: are looking for workers companies are that can still get 909 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 2: into the White House, and who do you know there 910 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 2: to help our interest out. I didn't know anybody. So 911 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 2: so if you go from Democrat to Democrat, that might 912 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,959 Speaker 2: be a thing in the city where you could still 913 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 2: like use your contacts. But going from Obama to Trump, 914 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know anybody in that administration, 915 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 2: Like I wish I didn't know him, Like I didn't 916 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 2: know nobody like so I wasn't as valuable. And I 917 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 2: also wasn't I didn't you know, maybe I don't understand. 918 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 2: Like my job was Social Secretary and I did my job, 919 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 2: but policy lobbying, all this stuff like government relations departments, 920 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know any of that, like so I was 921 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 2: while other people were able to learn those things, Like 922 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 2: I was so busy putting those people at tables or 923 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 2: inviting them to stuff to get stuff done that like 924 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 2: the jobs offers I got afterwards, which I don't see 925 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 2: a problem with this. I just didn't want to do it, 926 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: or like event planning things, and I was like, I'm 927 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 2: not doing that, not because I think there's something wrong 928 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 2: with it. I just didn't want to do it until then. 929 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 2: Like you know, my friend worked at you know, the 930 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: chief of staff for Darren Walker, and I was like, oh, 931 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: a chief of staf big philanthropy. So that's when I 932 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 2: started to like put the pieces together of operations of 933 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 2: what I was really good at and logistics. Yeah, yeah, 934 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 2: took a minute. 935 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: Our brains need some time. And you're like, I don't 936 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,280 Speaker 1: have any contexts. It's the Trump presidency. What I'm like, girl, 937 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: I bet, I bet your iPhone is worth like bajillions 938 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: of dollars just your contexts. 939 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 2: And I have a lot of contexts I kept from 940 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: the White House here is too. 941 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, girl. Did you have to wear like 942 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: any kind of I would just wear. Did you wear 943 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: a uniform or something, or like have a sash? I 944 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: just feel like if I worked at the White House, 945 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: just wear crown. I go to the library a lot 946 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: to work on my book. I'm gonna ask you for 947 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: writing tips later. Yes, And there's this guy. I don't know. 948 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's I also worked at the 949 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: community the public library back in college when I was 950 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, broke, and there's always like one like veteran 951 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: who comes in in like a wheelchair and it is 952 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,280 Speaker 1: just assumed with all of the memorabilia, all the badges 953 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: and knows what they all mean, but they're so proud, 954 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that would be mere's my picture. Would 955 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: I would like pin the commemorative plates to me. I 956 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: would have the hats. I would have like Michelle's endorsement, 957 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 1: because she endorsed your book. I would just like put 958 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: that on the back. I mean, this is all I look, 959 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: I just have a podcast and yeah, like. 960 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 2: Look, I mean I got my little earrings, these my 961 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 2: undiplomatic earrings. Oh so, but I think that the thing 962 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: is is so about it is I didn't. I mean, 963 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 2: maybe I was so still in shock that I had 964 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 2: this eight year it was still like and I didn't 965 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 2: remember I came to DC to work for them, so 966 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 2: I didn't know if anything about the Hill, I know 967 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 2: nothing about it. I didn't know anything. Had I known, 968 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 2: I would have probably networked more, like, especially when it 969 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 2: came to embassies and international stuff, because my dream is 970 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 2: to leave this country for like two years and live 971 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 2: somewhere else. And I'm like and everyone's like, Dsha, you 972 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 2: have all these contacts. I'm like, right, but I'm just 973 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 2: like now, so I'm like, it's gonna happen I say, 974 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it another year and then we're gonna 975 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 2: be out. But like, I didn' know. I just I 976 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 2: just didn't know. I didn't know what Washington was. I 977 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: didn't know. 978 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: And now the book has come out. Did did Michelle 979 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: give you any writing tips? Did you? 980 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 2: Actually? Did? She did? She gave me a lot of 981 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 2: So she not only write I'm gonna say less writing 982 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 2: and more like, you know, make sure about the money. 983 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 2: She was like, you know, remember you have your taxes. 984 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 2: She was like, but remember that publishing companies, you're going 985 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 2: to have to hire your own PR people and put 986 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 2: the money aside for that. But she also really encouraged 987 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 2: me just to like get it out, like don't don't 988 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 2: try to be perfect when you write it, because I'm 989 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 2: always worried that because of like how I talk. I'm 990 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 2: from Philly and I write how I talk, So I'm 991 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 2: definitely the people that I definitely probably had misspellings. I 992 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 2: did the grant the comma in the wrong place, and 993 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 2: I would get so caught up on that, and she's like, 994 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 2: stop getting caught up on that and just tell your story. 995 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 2: And she's like, remember it's your perspective, it's the truth 996 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 2: that you live. So not even She's like, you know, 997 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 2: not even me as the president can be like, that's 998 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 2: not because we didn't live the same perspective as you, 999 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 2: although it was the same legacy and experience, and so 1000 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 2: she gave me that, you know, feedback. And then she 1001 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 2: also told me, She's like, you know, eventually you have 1002 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 2: to hand it in. She was like, don't get caught up, 1003 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna keep editing, make it better. I'm going 1004 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,720 Speaker 2: to keep editing. She's like, eventually you can edit until 1005 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 2: it's not until do like you you have to hand 1006 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 2: it in. Because I was just like and I was 1007 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 2: like that. I kept telling her. I was like, I 1008 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 2: just want to keep writing it over cause I think 1009 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 2: there's a different way, and she's like, you gotta eventually 1010 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 2: get it in, you know, And I'd be like, okay, 1011 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 2: So those are the tips that she gave me. 1012 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,919 Speaker 1: We have the same publisher. I should have started with that. Yes, 1013 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I did not know that. 1014 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 2: When is your book coming in? 1015 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: Liddy? I don't know. Whenever I finished it. I guess you. 1016 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 2: Were like ends the podcast. 1017 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,919 Speaker 1: Honestly, having you on, I'm like, oh, maybe this will 1018 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,280 Speaker 1: count as like progress. Maybe not remember that I haven't 1019 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: turned in chapter three. 1020 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 2: Member, Remember my friend was gonna say, my friend Nicole 1021 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 2: tries to help me be negotiating, but I think she 1022 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 2: gets frustrated because she's like Dshaus. She was like, this 1023 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 2: is about business, Like you want to be like a 1024 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 2: really good person to everybody and be like, well they 1025 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 2: only have She's like, but then they pay somebody else, 1026 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 2: or you look at what they're doing and they got 1027 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 2: money to pay you. And I'm always like, okay, Nicole. 1028 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 2: So she's kind of like giving up. So I need 1029 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 2: your book, Nicole, give up, Nicole. 1030 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: You can't give up. No, But there's every time. The 1031 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: thing is people mistake negotiation skills. That's something that you, like, 1032 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: everyone knows you should ask for more. Like I think 1033 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people know that. I mean, you didn't 1034 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: know when you were thirty one, it was the White House. 1035 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: I understand, dear, and had I would be the same. 1036 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: But I think intellectually a lot of women know that 1037 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: to ask for more. But when you're a woman of color, 1038 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: it's like, are are you going to get penalized? Are 1039 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,240 Speaker 1: they going to say that you're difficult, that you're arrogant? 1040 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: That's ambitious who does she think she is? Yeah, she 1041 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 1: should be lucky. Even though you have a whole white 1042 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: house on your content resume, yes or you or you. 1043 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 2: Like or I think it comes. It's worse for me 1044 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 2: when it comes to negotiating more Like I had a 1045 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 2: company I worked for for years, and I like went 1046 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 2: to them like, Okay, well I've been doing this for 1047 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 2: three years. My scope or work versus what I do, 1048 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 2: there's three additional items on what I do, so I 1049 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 2: would like to be compensated for that. And they were 1050 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 2: just like, well, we'll just take some of those off. 1051 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I'm already doing like you like 1052 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I'm like Nicole's like, 1053 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 2: walduscha before you do that again? Like before, when they 1054 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 2: ask you to do something, if it's not in the 1055 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 2: scope or work you have to you know, it's just 1056 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 2: gonna be an additional responsibility. It's how much it's gonna be. 1057 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 2: And it was pulling teeth. It was maybe it was 1058 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 2: pulling teeth and it made me feel like, you know, 1059 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 2: making me be like am I asking too? 1060 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: I know they will have you question everything, and. 1061 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 2: Then I'm just like, remember y'all that that's taxes come 1062 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 2: out of that too, so I'm not even getting whatever 1063 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 2: you think you're giving me. I'm not even pocketing that, like, 1064 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,280 Speaker 2: and I have a staff, so I'm just. 1065 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'm ready for your book. Oh thanks. I 1066 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: developed a consultancy like compensation calculator. It's very simple, but 1067 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: it's basically everything. It's like, you know, start from how 1068 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: much you want to make to comparable you know, pay 1069 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: ranges that you find, and then the end of the 1070 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,240 Speaker 1: calculation is always like automatically add thirty percent because taxes fees. Honestly, 1071 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: I could put it up to like forty percent depending 1072 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: on how well you're doing. And when those numbers you 1073 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: see them, your eyes pop. But yeah, people do have 1074 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: that kind of budget. 1075 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 2: And why would you learned to do that? I know, 1076 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 2: sorry I cut you off, But like. 1077 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: I had a white male mentor, a white male sponsor, 1078 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: I should say, not a mentor, a sponsor. He would 1079 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,360 Speaker 1: so he hired me. I was at Yahoo Finance. He 1080 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 1: plucked me and said, you can run a content team 1081 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: for my startup, which is a personal finance website. And 1082 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: he had just come from banking and he made me 1083 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: feel like everything was possible. He's like you know, someone 1084 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: would try to negotiate five k more on their salaries. 1085 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: I was managing the negotiation. He'd be like, are we 1086 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: really going to like lose out a person for five okay? 1087 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: And I was like, I guess not, that's nothing. And 1088 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,439 Speaker 1: so being around him and how he would like make 1089 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: me feel like things were normal, that genuinely helped. I 1090 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: did negotiate a lot before that. I always negotiated, you know. 1091 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: It's just I hate being underestimated and I like to 1092 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: fight my own fears. I just want to like prove 1093 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: myself to myself. Yes, a little bit, So that's where 1094 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: it came from. 1095 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 2: But I'm just taking some of this. I'm taking some 1096 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 2: of them. I'm getting it through the screen line. Yeah. 1097 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: It's just like the thing is though that yes you 1098 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: can ask. And there was an article written by like 1099 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 1: actually a kind of friend of mine a while back, 1100 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: and it was like, negotiate like a like a white 1101 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,920 Speaker 1: man does. That was a tick for women, and I 1102 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,319 Speaker 1: was like, the way, you need to take this off 1103 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: the internet immediately because we can't walk in there. I 1104 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 1: couldn't walk in with the swagger of my nick, my nick, 1105 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: because he would get in the rings that I wasn't in, 1106 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: but I did take from him that just go in 1107 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,879 Speaker 1: with your full chest. But for us, it's really about 1108 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: those comparable It's having comparable offers and having other data 1109 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: to back up what we're asking for. It's not about 1110 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: the skills and the scope of work. 1111 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,879 Speaker 2: It's like, right, but. 1112 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: Here's the market rate. Here's other competitors at similar sized companies, 1113 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: and here's what they're paying their same talent, and this 1114 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 1: is my market rate. But even better, it's having competing offers. 1115 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 1: And the point I was going to make really quickly 1116 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 1: is just that there's this belief that, for example, I'm 1117 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 1: a negotiation coach, I negotiate a lot that I'm just 1118 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: I never get afraid. I never had the same feelings, 1119 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: the same doubt, it's the same I have to do. 1120 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: Every negotiation is a brand new one. You know. I 1121 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: had to send someone my rates for my Instagram reels 1122 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is gonna be too much 1123 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: for them, and I almost edit it and I was like, girl, 1124 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: just send that thing on. Even I have those moments, yeah, 1125 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just about pushing through them or 1126 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: having someone to help you. 1127 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is a go I mean, 1128 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 2: I grew up extremely poor, so it's always that fear. 1129 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 2: But then then when some I'm afraid of somebody saying no, 1130 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm afraid of when they say no, the hit that 1131 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 2: I'll take to my account, like if they're already a 1132 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 2: client and I'm like, I'm like this, I have to 1133 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 2: almost walk away because if I just say okay again, 1134 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 2: you won't take it, and then it's going to be 1135 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 2: like I just stay there. I didn't prove you know. 1136 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 2: So I think that that's the thing for me is 1137 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 2: it's like what if they don't you know? But I 1138 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 2: have to trust that, like it's going to work out. 1139 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 2: But the taking advantage, I'm done. It is done. 1140 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: It's really about setting the tone from the beginning with 1141 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,760 Speaker 1: your partner, with your your client, like set the tone 1142 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 1: those contracts. I love that Michelle gave you contract advice 1143 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,240 Speaker 1: for your book, just because that is such a crucial 1144 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 1: part of it. Like this and your contract as a 1145 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,879 Speaker 1: consultant is crucial too, and you can negotiate so many 1146 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: things that just give you peace of mind. 1147 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,919 Speaker 2: Yes, give me, this is gonna be motivation. I'm like, yes, 1148 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm bigg my client. 1149 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: It's like what else, Well, before you know, you get 1150 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 1: you start going around working for the United Nations and 1151 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: get stationed. Where's your dream countryhere? Would you want to go? 1152 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 2: This is a I would love to go on the continent. 1153 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: I know you're going to say that I love it. 1154 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 2: I say the continent. I'd say South Africa because you know, 1155 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 2: that's where I've been the most and I know people 1156 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 2: there and they also speak English, and you know, unfortunately 1157 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 2: I don't have another you know, but I also have 1158 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 2: family in London and so and so there's that too. 1159 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 2: But I need the sun, so I don't know about that. 1160 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 2: But I would say I would say probably South Africa. 1161 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 2: But I also would go I'm an explorer, like my 1162 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 2: husband and I are both the same where we're just like, 1163 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,439 Speaker 2: you know, we've got kids, we don't plan on having kids. 1164 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 2: I would put stuff in storage in five minutes, like 1165 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,799 Speaker 2: you don't even gotta before this podcast is over, the 1166 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 2: movers would be at the house, like I don't like, 1167 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 2: send me it because I'm just like, I don't know, 1168 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 2: I probably have to move back here for my parents eventually, 1169 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 2: or my husband's parents. I'm like, while they can do 1170 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 2: things on their own, let's go and then we should 1171 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 2: come home. So that's why we're like, it has to happen. 1172 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 2: It has to happen next. 1173 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: Year, y'all got no. Yeah, I would be like, get out, 1174 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: why you can't. Don't even get a job first, Just. 1175 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 2: Go I'm just gon be free. Yeah, just go be free, 1176 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 2: and you know what, I'll be back. 1177 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: But while I'm not, jobs will be here when you 1178 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: get back. Yep, whatever will be here when you get back. 1179 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 1: You're Yeah, your book okay, but now you're in the 1180 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,319 Speaker 1: middle of a book launch. What does that look like 1181 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 1: for you in terms of your business plan? How did 1182 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,280 Speaker 1: the book do you feel like? How are you hoping 1183 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,319 Speaker 1: that that will turbo charge the business one? 1184 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,160 Speaker 2: I think that it's not just my hook and fast 1185 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 2: and business, which really focuses on corporations and communities like 1186 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 2: sustainable partnerships. It is more of this from imposter to impact, 1187 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 2: because you know that's of course. I taught at Harvard 1188 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,160 Speaker 2: and it was interesting because I had to write the 1189 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 2: course and I had to it's like the study course 1190 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 2: in student politics. And I thought that, you know, all 1191 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,399 Speaker 2: these kids want to learn about policy and all these things. 1192 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 2: But the students came to me, specifically the black students 1193 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,359 Speaker 2: and they were like, we saw you do a talk 1194 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 2: around imposter syndrome, like we feel back, can you do 1195 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,720 Speaker 2: that course instead? And so I taught that at Harvard 1196 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 2: and that this is really yeah, and that's really what 1197 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 2: the book is based off of. And I feel like 1198 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,319 Speaker 2: there's a platform there that I'm going to jump off 1199 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,320 Speaker 2: with the book from Imposter to Impact, from workshop series. 1200 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,280 Speaker 2: I do a lot of speaking now, but like workshop 1201 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 2: series from cohorts, so all these things I feel like 1202 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 2: can be a part of the business. And I'm always 1203 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 2: afraid to jump into it because I don't. I naturally 1204 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 2: don't have a business state of mind, and I don't. 1205 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a problem, but I'm always afraid. 1206 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 2: Like when it comes to kind of creating content, I 1207 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 2: compare it to other peoples by Mike Tisha, like you've 1208 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,160 Speaker 2: gotten this far. People relate to you like people always 1209 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,839 Speaker 2: like you're so authentic. I relate to you that I 1210 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 2: know putting in Like, so I just bought the domain 1211 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 2: and then we're going to build the website with some 1212 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 2: workshops and speaking things, some cohorts. So kind of just 1213 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 2: flip this notion of imposter syndrome being our fault and 1214 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 2: you know, being like you know, being like you know, 1215 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 2: we need to continue to do all these things to 1216 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 2: prove ourselves. And it's just like nah, like no, you 1217 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 2: can do whatever you want, and whoever doesn't want to 1218 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 2: see you ain't gonna see you. You have five doctors, 1219 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. But that's not your fault. 1220 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 2: That's on them, So like, how can we reverse that? 1221 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 2: So that is what you know I'm looking to do. 1222 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 2: You know, i'd say bye, have a fall back to school. 1223 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,760 Speaker 2: You know, I want to have all this fully launched. 1224 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, oh well if I can support it anyway, 1225 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:07,839 Speaker 1: because I. 1226 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,640 Speaker 2: Will be saying that because I will call you. 1227 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: Remember you said I told you I'm writing a book. 1228 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,880 Speaker 1: I would love to procrastinate with you. 1229 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 2: Gotta get your book done, Yeah, get your book done. 1230 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 2: We gott get your books when. 1231 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,640 Speaker 1: You sign your contract this time last year. But I 1232 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:29,880 Speaker 1: had a baby. He was my excuse for six Meanwhile, 1233 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: he was the easiest baby you could ever want to have. Really, 1234 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: he's not my excuse. It's just family stuff a lot, 1235 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: you know. But yet also I am I am like 1236 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,759 Speaker 1: a I am like you. I am a writer, I'm 1237 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,479 Speaker 1: a right tool and editorle I I'm getting to write 1238 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,160 Speaker 1: a book. You got to write a book. Yeah, this 1239 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: is our dream. I can't mess it up. I just 1240 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: want it to be so good, and that's even good. 1241 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 2: The audience is going to receive it. The right people 1242 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,479 Speaker 2: will find when I put this out. My big fear 1243 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 2: was like the critique that would come from it not 1244 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 2: being this well written, poised book, because I was just like, 1245 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,439 Speaker 2: it is what it is, like, I'm gonna stop trying 1246 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,439 Speaker 2: to put it in somebody else's voice. And people, really, 1247 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,960 Speaker 2: especially black women, they're just like, Dsha, your book is. 1248 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 2: That's all here. It's so relatable. So the book will 1249 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 2: find the right people. And of course I have my 1250 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 2: little critics, but it is what it is like. 1251 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,680 Speaker 1: You really have to like laser focus on your audience, 1252 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: and I have just like pretend you're on an episode 1253 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 1: of b Yeah, get that's it. I gave you all 1254 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: my vocal cords. Okay, I love that too. From impostor 1255 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: to impact. 1256 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 2: And I hate the term imposter and drum, I hate 1257 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 2: the term authent I hate these terms too, but I'm 1258 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 2: always telling people, I'm like, those are terms that people know, 1259 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,680 Speaker 2: so we use them until something else comes up. 1260 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: So that to meet them where they are one thousand percent. 1261 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:54,520 Speaker 1: We had Akachka on the show this really famous Harvard 1262 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: Business Review article and then a book where they took 1263 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: down imposter syndrome. But I agree, I mean, whatever you 1264 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 1: want to call it, a lot of us will look 1265 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: around and not feel welcome, and it's often not. I 1266 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,640 Speaker 1: was literally on a coaching call with this incredible woman 1267 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 1: earlier today. She just came off of a pip and 1268 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: had gotten let go, and I was so happy to 1269 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,240 Speaker 1: be there to pick her up because I have had 1270 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: Tiffany has picked me up off the same floor before 1271 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: and just tell her what you went through is not okay, 1272 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: and the way that it ended, I'm glad that it 1273 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: ended for you, Like the her being the one the 1274 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,640 Speaker 1: only in her space and the burnout, I'm like, you 1275 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: weren't performing well because you were in a hostile work 1276 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: environment and to and we so don't want to believe 1277 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: that because we just immediately punish ourselves. 1278 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent, or we also look 1279 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 2: at it like, you know, we know that it's systems, 1280 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 2: Like we know that, but like we either spend so 1281 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,320 Speaker 2: much time trying to change the system that like you know, 1282 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 2: which is, which you know, as long as it has 1283 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 2: the same people in power, it's going to be a constant, 1284 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,080 Speaker 2: uphill fight. So now I teach people like, no, I 1285 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 2: need you to dig up the root of when you 1286 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 2: started feeling this way, what is it? And dig that 1287 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 2: up and replant some new roots. Like get yourself in 1288 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 2: a space where you know, no matter what comes to you, 1289 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 2: no matter who says what, no matter what, let go. 1290 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 2: You know that you're valuable, you know what I mean. 1291 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 2: And it's hard because it was hard for me. But 1292 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 2: I think that when we get our foundation to be 1293 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 2: who we are and our value, the house that builds 1294 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 2: on top, if it blows away, then it's gone. The 1295 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 2: foundation is still there, but now we put all of 1296 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 2: our confidence and stuff and our achievements and so it's like, yeah, 1297 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,880 Speaker 2: but now you're chasing constantly these highs, you know what 1298 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,160 Speaker 2: I mean. Like I didn't achieved the White House. There 1299 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,240 Speaker 2: wasn't a fluke. It was because I'm a hard working, 1300 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,760 Speaker 2: community minded person who like went forward. That's not gonna 1301 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 2: change no matter what right the structure may change. But 1302 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 2: that's why I try to tell people. Now it's just 1303 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 2: and it's hard, you know, Like because these systems again, 1304 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 2: like they're built for us to feel inferior, you know. 1305 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, but. 1306 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: No more, I want some more tidbits. I'm trying to 1307 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,120 Speaker 1: think of like clever ways to ask you for some funny, 1308 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: like little tidbits about we didn't talk about Obama enough, Barack, 1309 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: what is something that you will never forget? That was 1310 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,880 Speaker 1: like a little quirk a Barack Obama. It can be cute, 1311 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: it could be. 1312 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 2: I think that you know Barack Obama and I think 1313 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 2: people know this, like he's a he's a dad, so 1314 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,840 Speaker 2: his jokes are dad jokes. Sometimes they're really corny, and 1315 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,320 Speaker 2: so he says something, but because he's a president, you 1316 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 2: just laugh, you know, You're just like, ah, that's so funny. 1317 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 2: And there's a picture of us that I love that 1318 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 2: we were laughing so hard because it really was a 1319 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 2: funny joke. But we were talking about he's waiting to 1320 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 2: go on stage and at the White House and I 1321 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 2: was backstage just talking to him, and he says, we 1322 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 2: were talking about how jay Z during the twenty twelve 1323 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,000 Speaker 2: election had changed lyrics to a song to be like 1324 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,920 Speaker 2: I Got ninety nine problems but mid eight one, like 1325 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,560 Speaker 2: Mitt Romney and the President was like, no, you can't 1326 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 2: say that, Like he was so backstage like that doesn't 1327 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 2: sound like that's not okay. And we were laughing and 1328 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,560 Speaker 2: I was like why not, I mean, and we were 1329 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,160 Speaker 2: laughing so hard. So he was so culture forward, but 1330 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 2: like he was such a jokes He was a jokes 1331 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 2: like it was just like you know, and people are like, 1332 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,360 Speaker 2: you know, he's too cut, Like I'm just like you 1333 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 2: want your president to like have that side, and that's 1334 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more light. Obviously he also had the 1335 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 2: other side who presidential, but like you know, he knew 1336 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 2: how to make a joke or have fun, you know. 1337 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 2: And even last year in Australia, I was in Australia 1338 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 2: with them and the same way, like he's just like 1339 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,600 Speaker 2: you got, well, I go. I still travel with them, 1340 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 2: so I still do advance for them once in a 1341 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,680 Speaker 2: while they go somewhere. 1342 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Fun personal travel, well not. 1343 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 2: Age, except like it's like an advance. Advance is like 1344 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,680 Speaker 2: you go ahead of them to set up everything, So 1345 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,320 Speaker 2: I go ahead so I can go. Like he's a 1346 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 2: team that does that, but like he needs they need more. 1347 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: So what do they have to have in their hotel room? 1348 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 2: So they have to have we put fruit in there, 1349 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 2: fresh water, kind of sparkling, and so apples cut apples 1350 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 2: loves pre cut. Yeah, so usually pre cut. I I 1351 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 2: put pre cut and non pre cut in there, just. 1352 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 1: In case they're feeling like they want a little work out. 1353 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 2: A little spicy or or maybe like some of the 1354 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 2: cut ones may look a little brown. So I'm like, ah, 1355 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 2: I together, nuts love. They love mixed nuts, So I 1356 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 2: put a lot of those in there. Bananas. So like 1357 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 2: fresh water, spring water, sparkling water. Yeah, I mean they're 1358 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 2: regular old folks, you know. And then somebody. Usually hotels 1359 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 2: make an elaborate display of chocolate of flowers, and I'm 1360 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 2: always like no, no, like you don't have to do 1361 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 2: all that because it just sits there, you know. I'm like, no, 1362 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 2: no chocolate tower with their faces or no. But so 1363 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 2: like you know, but it's really nice, like the hotels 1364 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 2: are so amazing with it. But like like that, I 1365 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 2: want you to waste stuff. 1366 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, so you got to prepare and like what 1367 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 1: make sure that the people don't know that they're there. 1368 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 2: No, they know that they're there. I mean, like they 1369 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 2: have to take it's more Yeah, it's more of us, 1370 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,120 Speaker 2: like the team that's coming like who's you know them 1371 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,920 Speaker 2: checking in to getting their room keys, you know, making 1372 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 2: sure that the temperature set in the room, the room's clean. 1373 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 2: We have the schedule for like when the housekeepers are 1374 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 2: going to come, the food, like, you know, making sure 1375 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 2: that all the outlets that the Wi fi works, the 1376 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,160 Speaker 2: remotes are easy to you, so like all those things 1377 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,360 Speaker 2: to get anyone of you. Sure, Oh yeah, I it's 1378 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 2: literally it was the second job I had, so it 1379 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,720 Speaker 2: wasn't as glamorous as obviously my big public job, but 1380 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,200 Speaker 2: it was my favorite. So when he went to Australia, 1381 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,919 Speaker 2: we just got married a year before we got married. 1382 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 2: I got married in twenty twenty two and we saved 1383 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 2: our honeymoon to New Zealand because I was going to Australia, 1384 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 2: which means my ticket was paid for and then my 1385 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,760 Speaker 2: husband came on points because we paid for our wedding 1386 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,240 Speaker 2: on our hotel points or credit card paid it all off, 1387 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,240 Speaker 2: got the points and then we went to Australia for 1388 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,800 Speaker 2: our New Zealand for our honeymoon. So like you know, 1389 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm a hustle. 1390 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,440 Speaker 1: Listen, I hope this writer who've left you that review 1391 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 1: about your poor financial management just heard that because that 1392 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,080 Speaker 1: was exquisite. It was everything I would have done and more. 1393 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,040 Speaker 2: I was just like, we got married in September, found 1394 01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,480 Speaker 2: out the Obamas were going and I was like, oh, 1395 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 2: we can wait when they go in May. We can 1396 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,880 Speaker 2: wait so many to go on a honeymoon. And then 1397 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 2: my husband came stayed in the hotel with me that 1398 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 2: was paid for, and then we thought we only had 1399 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,560 Speaker 2: to pay for New Zealand that's it. 1400 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,840 Speaker 1: So a new career, just a new career has been unlocked. Yeah, 1401 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: for noteworthy people or because people even just gonna afford it. 1402 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: You can be a pre you can be a pre 1403 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,760 Speaker 1: vacation primer. Like just set it up. 1404 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's called it advanced. Let me tell you. 1405 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 2: People need it because you don't have to They never 1406 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 2: have to wear but they walk in the hotel, so 1407 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,240 Speaker 2: they get to the hotel, I'm right there, take them 1408 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,000 Speaker 2: in the elevator, take them to the room, the gym, 1409 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,200 Speaker 2: like everything's set, the schedule. They have their personal aid 1410 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,000 Speaker 2: there too, like it's just a briefing book. Like everything's done. 1411 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 2: And people, I'm just like, y'all need this. You high 1412 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 2: power individuals call me. 1413 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,920 Speaker 1: Everyone needs it. Every mom needs it. Yes, like, is 1414 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 1: this kid friendly? Is it not? Okay? I know you 1415 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: have a hard stop. I use so much of your time. 1416 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,560 Speaker 2: No, it was so fun. I know. I was like, 1417 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 2: I used to live near there and I would just come. 1418 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 1: By unabashedly, unashamed of using all your time. When you go, 1419 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're going to continue. It'll be 1420 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,120 Speaker 1: seven episodes if it needs to be, we'll go and 1421 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 1: get these gems, all right, Dsha Dyer, I'm so glad 1422 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 1: that you came on the podcast. Jackson. You were right, 1423 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,960 Speaker 1: this is a perfect place for her undiplomatic how my 1424 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,000 Speaker 1: attitude created the best kind of trouble is out. Now 1425 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,320 Speaker 1: you guys go grab your copies, make sure your libraries 1426 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,920 Speaker 1: are stocking them. If you want Dsha to come give 1427 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,600 Speaker 1: a talk, right, you do all kinds of you know it. 1428 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: She just did the Ford Foundation, So that's the bar. 1429 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 1430 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, your Auntie's church maybe not what you're 1431 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,640 Speaker 1: looking forward to. I mean, but maybe a virtual would 1432 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:42,080 Speaker 1: you be down? 1433 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,360 Speaker 2: I would do ittle virtual virtual corporate. I'm here for 1434 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 2: the corporate, here for the corporate bunch of corporate budgets. 1435 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, congrats on the book launch and your continued chapters. 1436 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 1: Whatever comes next for you. 1437 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,439 Speaker 2: Thank you. We're going to talk again. 1438 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, manifested my phone. Never remember. I make friends easy. 1439 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm like you, be my friend. 1440 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 2: Be my friend.