1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Before we introduce everybody, here are 4 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: cast of players. We want to begin today's series with 5 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: the following announcement, don't do illegal drugs. 6 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: Dare to dream. Wait, that's not how the campaign went. 7 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: Dare to dream of a world without illegal. 8 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: Drugs, dare to keep a kid off drugs. Dare to 9 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: give super producer Max Williams a hands. 10 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: Some would have been a good rhyming opportunity. There what 11 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: a DARE stand for? At the end of the day. 12 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: I always forget drug. 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: Abuse resistance education something close to that. 14 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: Let's see. 15 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: Let's see drug abuse resistance education. 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Sure, and man speaking of the Mandela effect, which nobody 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: was but I always am. I had this memory of 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: a video game, a console cabinet, I'm sorry, a cabinet, 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: not a console video game called Nark from back in 20 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: the day, where you were like a dude killing drug dealers. 21 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: It was like pre Grand Theft Auto And in my 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: mind I always thought that it was like somehow sponsored 23 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: by DARE and that it was meant to be an 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: anti drug cautionary video game. 25 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: That is not true. 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: But back in the day, you will recall a lot 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: of video games had sort of an anti drug message 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: at the beginning of them, like like almost like the 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: FBI warning at the top of VHS's when you rent them. 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So narc and dare unconnected. So 31 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: that's Noel Brown, it's I've been bullying too. Is not 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: a real game. It is a real game. 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: You're like a dude in a trench coat with a 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: shotgun blasting away like streets gum. 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: You know. It's a total side scroller. 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: It was pretty gory, pretty controversial, But in my mind 37 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: I was convinced of this notion that it was somehow 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: a like an actual in league with the government in a. 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: Way to like make you like scared of drug dealers. 40 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: I think that part is true. Uh, they probably just 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: couldn't afford McGruff the crime dog. 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe dude also really was giving flasher vibes because 43 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: he's a side scroller and he's got like. 44 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: A trench coat with a shotgun coming out of it. 45 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, back into trench coats when it's not summer here, 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess trench coat's cool again? Are we 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: allowed to wear trench coats again? Hasn't? I didn't. It's 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: weather dependent, it's weather depending. 49 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: But I just know there was a period after you know, Columbine, 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: where trench coats were highly foreboding. 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: That's colorism trench coats. 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: You know that's true. 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: We all also know that, just like trench goats, not 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: all drugs are created equally. Some can save your life, 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: some are way more dangerous to the human organism than others. 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: Maybe our best way to start this is to say 57 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: that a drug is any substance consumed by an organism 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: for a specific, predetermined effect, like the coffee. We're big 59 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: fans of coffee. It's our co producer for all of 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: our shows. And you know you're going to be You 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: and I both are going to be traveling internationally. Our 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: pal Max is actually recording this from a beach. We 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: are well aware that different cultures and countries treat different 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: drugs in very different ways. Well, for sure, I mean 65 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: coffee is a drug. 66 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: But if we want to quote the ever wise words 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: of television Superhands, it's not a drug. 68 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: It's a drink. 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: There we go, Superhands, and again it is a Maya 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Kulpa on my on my behalf, I watched the entirety 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: of peep Show, and I didn't figure out until the 72 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: very end that it's Hans as a German name and 73 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: not super Hands. 74 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: Well, I loved it either way, and I was with 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: you for quite a while as well, until I maybe 76 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: saw it in subtitle form. But I really loved the 77 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: idea for a while, thinking that he just had these 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: mega hands. 79 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: And they just called him super hands. 80 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: Superhands. 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we're talking about dare a little 82 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: bit ben And it did in fact fail and was 83 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: canceled because a lot of studies showed that when they 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: brought that suitcase full of drugs, like fake food, diner 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: style around the schools, maybe people were more inclined to like, oh, 86 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: what's that one. It's like a box of chocolates, let's 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: sample them all. It turns out that the studies showed 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: that not only was it ineffective, it actually potentially caused 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: more kids to want exp here a man with drugs. 90 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: Not everybody gathered around here. What you're going to see 91 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: in this vile is cocaine. Pass that around, Donaka, and 92 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: pass around this next file that's crack cocaine. Now, let 93 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: me explain to you. 94 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: Here is a crack pipe, and this here is one 95 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: of these tiny McDonald's coffee spoons. 96 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: Now, which of you has a cigarette lighter? I see 97 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: you in the back to the back end. 98 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: This is called free basin. Well, you know what the 99 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: a lot of times the real issue was access, you know. 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: But like the guy who played gruff mcgruffy got uh 101 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: mcgruffy crime dog did ultimately get arrested one forsion the 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: grenade launchers and a bunch of cannabis. What we're saying is, 103 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: just like dare approved time and time again, prohibition policies 104 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: do not really work. They score some political points, but 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: they also massively empower crime. Like you owe NASCAR. 106 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: To moonshine from well and there's nothing one hundred percent 107 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: check out that recent episode that was a doozy. 108 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: But ben to your point about prohibition, if people. 109 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: Want to get high, they're gonna get high, whether they 110 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: have access to the hard stuff or not. There's plenty 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: of places and plenty of examples throughout history of weird 112 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: stuff just laying around for one to get high with. 113 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, even before the rise of civilization, and recorded history. 114 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Before people figured out out or write, they were figuring 115 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: out very complex ways to ingest interesting substances. You know, 116 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: it's weird because other animals were doing this before the 117 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: rise of human beings like dolphins are still getting high 118 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: on weak poison from sea creatures. Oh yeah, yeah, like 119 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: passing around fish. 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 2: Well for sure, and there are of course increasingly complex 121 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: ways of achieving a sort of buzz. But from the 122 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: beginning of time, it really was about the most basic 123 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: way imaginable. 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: It's just was that, let me eat it and see 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: what happens. 126 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because oftentimes they didn't know, and oftentimes they'd 127 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: kill them dead and that'd be the experiment failed, and 128 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: hopefully someone else would notice and be like, Okay, don't 129 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: eat that mushroom, eat the one next to it that 130 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: made the guy's eyes go all bug eyed, exactly. 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they were doing this out of not necessarily recreation. 132 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: In the beginning. They were doing it because they were 133 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: starving and they had to figure out what they could eat, 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: and it's hard. 135 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 136 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: Shout out to Widow's Bay. 137 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: There's an excellent plot line involving some castaway types who 138 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: are trapped in the snow if that can be considered 139 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: a castaway and eat some very scary looking mushrooms out 140 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: of a need to survive, and then find out that 141 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: it did quite a bit more than that, and then 142 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: it results of one of the coolest drug dealers in 143 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: all of twenty twenty six Fixtion, who, by the way, 144 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: is I don't know if you know this. Ben is 145 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: really good friends with friend of the show Jordan Runtog. 146 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: He went to high school with that guy, Chris Fleming. 147 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: They went to high school together and they are like, 148 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: really really good buds. 149 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: To this day. Just phenomenal job there, Christopher. We know 150 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: that humanity's most popular drugs of choice are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, 151 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: and cannabis, and no particular order defend well a rank? 152 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Shall we rank them? Shall we give our personal ranks? 153 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: Our personal rankings may differ. I think they may. They 154 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: may well just late. 155 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: We'll leave that up to the imaginations of ridiculous historians 156 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: in the audience. 157 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: It's weird, though, right, that's beautiful. It's weird that these substances, 158 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: for so long, for most of history, were limited to 159 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: certain regions of the world. It's not till the emergence 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: of a global trade network that everybody else could you know, 161 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: get their coffee shakes, and like you said, nol, let's 162 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: get into it this way. People have been getting high 163 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: on something or other force so long like BCE. Yeah, right, 164 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: with a little help from their friends potentially. Yeah, we 165 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: know that if you look back into the pre classical 166 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: and classical periods that's two thousand BCE to one thousand 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: BCE and then up to five hundred CE, respectively, you'll 168 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: see that people were definitely using opium, cannabis, alcohol, tobacco, 169 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: and to your earlier point, various forms of fun guys 170 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: for religious, medicinal, and occasionally recreational purpose. 171 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: Sung guy makes us fun guys or kills us dead immediately, 172 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: depending on which one you pick. Choose wisely, definitely don't 173 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: choose any if you don't know what you're doing. Yeah, 174 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: and that includes just mushrooms that you're going to forage 175 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: or eat, like mushrooms are a sticky wicket. You really 176 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: we got to know what you're doing to make sure 177 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: you're getting the chantrells and not the deadly night shades 178 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: or whatever they might be called. 179 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, please be super careful. That's a great point there. 180 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: We also know that you may have a little bit 181 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: of skepticism. In the first part of this series, folks 182 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: fell a ridiculous historiage. You might be asking yourself, Hold up, 183 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: if people weren't writing stuff down, then how can we 184 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: know they were actually doing drugs? How can we prove it? 185 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: There's nobody who's like, oh, it's me made up name 186 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: in a lottio and I'm in a lottio and I'm 187 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: writing down how I use opium or mushrooms. We don't 188 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: have that, but we do have some very smart scientists 189 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: for sure looking through the historical record. 190 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: And then of course as we get later in the game, 191 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: we do start seeing folks writing about it, of course, 192 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: but we are talking about antiquity. We are talking about 193 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: the earliest days of like cave dwelling even right. 194 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, We've. 195 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: Got some pretty smart folks like professor. Oh, don't get 196 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: mad at me here, Miss Elisa Guiera Deutch, professor of 197 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: archaeology and prehistory at the University of Vaio, daid. 198 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: In very classically done. Ben, Oh, thank you wise. 199 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you're too kind. In twenty thirteen, this doc 200 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: published a really interesting paper called the Origins of a 201 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: nebriation archaeological evidence of consumption of fermented beverages and drugs 202 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: in prehistoric Eurasia. 203 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, jeez, man, Fermentation just kind of happens 204 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: when you let stuff sit for a long time. So 205 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: I can imagine that there were plenty of examples in 206 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: the earliest days of this where people just kind of 207 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: let something go bad and drank it and realized that 208 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: it made him feel kind of funny. 209 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: Absolutely, dude. And animals do it too, Elephants, bears, even 210 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: bees are and squirrels are. 211 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: I keep wanting to change, I keep wanting to transpose 212 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: that into the song Let's do it, Let's fall in love. 213 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: It's like the. 214 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: Dogs do it, bees do it, even ordinary mease do it. 215 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do some drugs. 216 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. 217 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: There's some poetry to that. We know that there are 218 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: four primary things the scientists are going to look at. 219 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: One fossilized plants and seeds found alongside human remains. And 220 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: then the second, as we're saying, residue of alcoholic beverages. 221 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: It implements even like you know, vessels and various pipes 222 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: and stuff that we'll get into a little further down 223 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: the line. 224 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, psychoactive alkaloids and human skeletal remains, which means, yes, 225 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: you do have a permanent record, and if people dig 226 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: up your body, they are going to be able to 227 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: tell if you like to party. Yeah. 228 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: I mean aren't there even ways of using like bone 229 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: samples and things like that? I mean, I know that 230 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: certain drugs stay in your hair for a really long time, 231 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: followed those seven to ten years. 232 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe not with ancient remains? Yeah, how do 233 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: you keep it there? There were ways? 234 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: So, Ben, as you point out in this wonderful research 235 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: brief that you put together for beer, wine, weed opium, 236 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: it seems that the ancient inhabitants, this is from the 237 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: book you reference of the Near East had a rock 238 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: and roll lifestyle. 239 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: How do they afford it? You may ask, Actually, it 240 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: was quite the contrary. 241 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: The consumption of psychoactive substances in the ancient Near East 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: differed dramatically from that image. 243 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: Why is that? 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. Professor Guierro Dece says that our predecessors made 245 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: their use drug use beneficial to society by integrating them 246 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: into social, religious, and medicinal practices. That leads to our 247 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: fourth point the artistic renderings, right, the bas reliefs and 248 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: the carvings you see of people drinking weird stuff from 249 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: a chalice, things like that. 250 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so they weren't just willy nilly going off the rails. 251 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: It was kind of all like much more of a 252 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: hyahuasca session rather than just like a raucous Saturday night, right, 253 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: that's what a vision quest or some sort of religious ceremony. 254 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like how knights maybe took a bath 255 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: once a year and it was really rocked in their world. 256 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: But it's like this, this issue that Gera Deutcha is saying, 257 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: places the idea of consuming intoxicating substances entirely in the 258 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: realm of religious or spiritual experience, like how wine has 259 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: a significant role in Judaism and then later comes to 260 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: symbolize the blood of Jesus Christ for Christians for sure. 261 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that so many ancient people 262 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: would drink fermented beverages because the water was befouled and 263 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: it would, you know, cause them to be sickened. 264 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: So the beer, the ale, the mead, the wine. 265 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: Was a lot safer, absolutely, and we always have to 266 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: make that point. And the thing is, with great respect 267 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: to the experts, we don't really buy it. Drug use 268 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: is more common among the upper echelons of any society. 269 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: But it does beggar credulity to imagine that everybody else 270 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: in those given societies didn't know what the one percenters 271 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: were up to. It's just beyond bizarre to imagine that 272 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: out of all those non wealthy people, not one ever 273 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: tried to lift the pot, you know, or light a 274 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: pipe or chase the dragons of their own I think 275 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: people were getting high all the time. 276 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to make that assumption. So let's 277 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: just start from there. Throughout human history, during all of 278 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: the horror and triumph and you know, up highs and lows, 279 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: strikes and gutters, it was always beneficial for an individual 280 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: to be able to kind of, you know, change their 281 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: head a little bit. 282 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like the hippies. 283 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: Right right, tune in, drop out. I mean it could 284 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: be for religious purposes, like you were saying, no greater 285 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: insight into the world around you. 286 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: Or just entertainment purposes, just likement a brief diversion from 287 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: the hellish existence on planet Earth. 288 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, someone in fourteen hundred CE is saying there's nothing 289 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: on TV. Let's smoke opium and somebody else is smoking 290 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: opium with them and they say, what's TV? And they're like, 291 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: I forgot For something more practical, they could be using 292 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: substances to stay awake and alert for longer periods of time, 293 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: like caffeine, like the betel nut way. Before things like there, 294 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: people were getting high as kites and they were doing 295 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: that before kites were invented. I mean it kind of 296 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: sounds like, dude, I wanted to ask you this on air. 297 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Doesn't a kite sound like an invention someone would come 298 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: up with while they were high on something. Yeah, it's 299 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: sort of like I mean, like when you see that 300 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: plastic bag just blowing in the breeze and you think 301 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. You know 302 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: that's American beauty, right, Yeah it is. But it also 303 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: requires being on weed. 304 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: Man. Oh yeah, that guy sold weed. 305 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: So And it's the funniest thing too, because I swear 306 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: it's one of the earliest memories I have of seeing 307 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: like weed depicted in a movie, Like I think it 308 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: was before I even know it's does this holds true 309 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 2: in Half Baked as well? 310 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: But in American beauty Ricky, I believe is a character's name. 311 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: He shows the you know, Kevin Spacey father character his 312 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: stash that he's gonna sell on some weed and says, 313 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: it's like this G thirteen man government, you know, like 314 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: you know, genetically engineered, and it just looks. 315 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: Like a brick of like you know, gray material. 316 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: It doesn't look anything like what we think of marijuana 317 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: looks like today. And I guess they could get away 318 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: with it back then because people just weren't as hip 319 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: to what it looked like. 320 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, it looked like a slab of 321 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: liver pudding. 322 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. It reminds me of that phenomenal Mitch Hedberg observation 323 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: where he was working on a film and he had 324 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: a smoke weed with Willie Nelson, famous pothead and beautiful guy. 325 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: But because it was filmed in the US, he had 326 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: to smoke something that was not weed with the real 327 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, and he said it was way better than 328 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: his usual experience, which is smoking real weed with people 329 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: who look like Willie Nelson. 330 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: Oh, that's fun. 331 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: I would think Willy Nelson wouldn't have abided by that. 332 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: The trailer was refused. I will walk off of this 333 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: set if you don't give me my real Mary Jane. 334 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: What a redheaded stranger. It turns out that aside from 335 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: the big drugs you've heard about today in twenty twenty six, folk, 336 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot more substances that people used to 337 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: get blotto off of. Let's get to some specific examples 338 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: with a big shout out to the infamous anarchist cookbook 339 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: Nutmeg Nol. Do you have nutmeg in your spice rack? 340 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: It's funny you should ask that, Ben. I had a 341 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: couple of people over for some food and drinks the 342 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: other night I'm working with on a podcast, and I 343 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: got the stuff to make painkillers the tiki drink, which 344 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: is dark rum light rum orange juice, cream of coconut 345 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: pineapple juice and garnished with some nutmeg. 346 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: So I did. 347 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: I thought was pretty sure I had some, And I 348 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: sure did because, unlike maybe the people were about to 349 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: talk about, I have not tried. 350 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: To use my nutmeg to get high with, so I 351 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 3: had plenty left. Yeah. 352 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: Nutmeg also known as meristic of fragrance if you're fancy, 353 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: it is a cooking spice that's very common here in 354 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: the United States and abroad because it has this war 355 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, I always think of it. I always associate 356 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: it with autumn, autumnal holiday meals, and it's like vaga adjacent, 357 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's got it's a 358 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: secret third thing. It has a warmth to it like that, 359 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: and it's a nostalgia. 360 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, man, I mean, you're right, man, 361 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: that's very accurate autumnal cozy. 362 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't really taste sweet. It just has this this 363 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: thing I don't know how to do. It's like I 364 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: have a warm hug from a relative U see once 365 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: a year. 366 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: Just so, but just don't ingest too much, because then 367 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: that warm hug could turn, uh turn dark. 368 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 369 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: Nutmeg used to be a way bigger deal, especially during 370 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: the age of the global spice trade. Sailors would go 371 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers for this stuff. And these guys weren't using 372 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: it to make puddings or to make tea drinks. And 373 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I have questions for you off air about the teaki drinks. 374 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: It comes from Indonesia. The humble nutmeg tree grows a 375 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: fruit that holds the nutmeg seed. After you get the 376 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: nutmeg fruit, which a lot of us don't eat here 377 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: in the States. You can dry that seed and you 378 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: can you know, grind it up. 379 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, the fancy boys making cocktails or whatever will actually 380 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: just grate the fresh the seed. The dried seed look 381 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: like a microplane greater. I'm not that handsil, but it is. 382 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. It definitely gives it an extra little kick. 383 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: It's it's all going back to Okay, So the real 384 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: thing is you read the Anarchist Cookbook and they'll say, hey, 385 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: kids who want to be bad, go down to your parents' 386 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: spice rack, right, or go up to your parents spice 387 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: rack or wherever it is, and then get a tablespoon 388 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: of nutmeg and just snarf it and try not to vomit, 389 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: and you'll get high because nutmeg contains something called maristicin. 390 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: And much like the viral cinnamon challenge, nutmeg is kind 391 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: of like eating grated wood. And if you put a 392 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: whole spoonful of that in your mouth and try to 393 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: swallow it, you will vomit. 394 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you might. 395 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what they recommend in the Anarchist cookbook. 396 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: It definitely does have psychoactic properties, but how one goes 397 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: about ingesting it is another thing altogether. 398 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: Agreed, agreed, similar to ayahuasca, which also that's a really 399 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: good point due because it it maybe helps us explain 400 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: the ritualized use of these substances that don't have nutritional value. 401 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: So you're hanging with the shaman, you get the little 402 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: orange mushroom or whatever, and they pound it to a 403 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: paste and the whole time somebody's chanting in the background, 404 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: and they look at you and say, Okay, you are 405 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: going to throw up, but I promise it's going to 406 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: be worth. 407 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: It for sure. And that's more like throwing up because 408 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: it makes you tell me all weird. But like you know, 409 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm thinking more in terms of like it will. 410 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: Make a joke. Yeah, it will make you physically choke. 411 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: But it does turn out that if you are able to, 412 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: you could probably put it in capsules. 413 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: Don't listen to me, what am I talking about? 414 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: But there you know, if you were able to ingest 415 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: a large enough dose, you would absolutely, I believe ben 416 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: experience some form of psychoactive kind of what's the word 417 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: looking for after effects? 418 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, This maristicin stuff is found in the essential oils 419 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: of all sorts of plants, parsley, dill, nutmeg. It is 420 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: it's huge nutmeg itself. So maybe again we're not saying 421 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: anything one way or the other, but maybe nutmeg oil 422 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: to get past that dry mouth. The thing you have 423 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: to know is one, don't take drugs here responsibly. And two, 424 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: when this mariein breaks down in the human body, it 425 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: affects the sympathetic nervous system. And people knew about this 426 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: in the western world all the way back in the 427 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds. 428 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: For sure, And like you know, that's the kicker of 429 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: the whole deal, right, I mean, if you eat around 430 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: ten nutmeg nuts, that will potentially, you know, gets you 431 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: to trip, so to speak. But it can also be 432 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: enough that would actually really do a number on your 433 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: liver because it would become toxic inside your body. 434 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we know that there was a pregnant woman 435 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: who had, as you said, eat more than ten nutmeg nuts, 436 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: not grated straight up, and things did not go well 437 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: for her. We believe she survived. If we fast forward 438 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: to the eighteen hundreds, we see an eighteen year old 439 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: who complains of nausea, dizziness, heart palpitations, and of course, 440 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: like you said earlier, noel dry mouth. She didn't say 441 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: she had halluc nations, but she said she felt like 442 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: she was disoriented in a trance like state. It looks 443 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: like she actually, this unfortunate victim consumed a little less 444 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: than fifty grams of nutmeg in a milkshake, and then 445 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: thirty minutes later she was probably like, this milkshake isn't bunk, 446 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, just like eating a cannabis edible. It kicked in. 447 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: I could see how I adding some a little bit 448 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: of nutmeg to a nice chocolate milkshake might be delicious. 449 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 2: Little perhaps a pumpkin spice situation. Yeah, yeah, just just 450 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: to taste, not just yeah, for sure. 451 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: Cinnamon adjacent, right, And so people would get high off nutmeg. 452 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: And it was also a flex when nutmeg was a 453 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: very big deal during the spice trade, right, and much 454 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: more rare in global markets. So for the sailors, it's 455 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: kind of like their burning money, you know, it's a 456 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: big flex for lighting cigars with one hundred dollar bills. 457 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: Just so, yes, sir, uh, now we've got to get 458 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: to something that is, uh, maybe not appropriate for all 459 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: the ridiculous historians in the audience. So this is your warning. 460 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: Uh this as if we've been particularly appropriate up to now. 461 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: But I do appreciate the warning. 462 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Ben Oh, yes, I hope we all do. We've got 463 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: to talk all about something called Hio simanus niger. 464 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 3: And the Vivich. 465 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, otherwise known as henbane. What do we need 466 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: to know about this one? 467 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: Well, I said, if you want to see a pretty 468 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: crazy and psychedelically terrifying portrayal of this, do watch Robert 469 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: Egger's film The Witch, affectionately referred to as the Vivich. 470 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: He's also got this new werewolf movie coming out soon 471 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: that looks incredible. Yes, Vervo, Vervo and the Vivich. You 472 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: can do a double feature once it comes out. But 473 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: in that film, there is a of the Woods type 474 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: character who is seen mixing a poultice is kind of 475 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: a gooey's substance that I think spoiler alert. 476 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 3: In the movie is involves. 477 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: The remains of a baby, but it would appear that 478 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 2: she is mixing up quite the potent brew of something 479 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: referred to as flying ointments, which would be a mix 480 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: of what you were describing. There been the Hio Seimus niger, 481 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: a hallucinogen which grows in certain parts of Europe as 482 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: well as Western Asia as well as parts of England 483 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: and Ireland. That has been used as far back as 484 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: potentially those berserkers we were talking about of the Viking fame, 485 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: Viking fame to give them trippy visions, potentially during rituals 486 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: or potentially as a way of making them go absolutely 487 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: bonkers in the battlefield. 488 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is the historical records from mostly from 489 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: southern Europe and a little bit of the Scandinavian countries 490 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: say these people would put hinbane in things that they drank, 491 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: their various beverages, and they would lead to unseemly and 492 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: demodest axe gestures and expressions. So if you drink too 493 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: much of this hinbane laced stuff, which people did on purpose, 494 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: you would get stomach cramps, you'd start convulsing, you would 495 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: have the sensation that various parts of your body were burning, 496 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: and then if you drank too too much, you would die. 497 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: But most people didn't get to that point, they just 498 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: got giddy and stupefhoric. 499 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: Well, and it is again implied in the movie The 500 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: Witch that this witch is making this stuff, putting it 501 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: on her broomstick, and then it giving her the power 502 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: of flight. Hence the legendary idea of flying ointment, but 503 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: more likely did was make her hallucinate or give the 504 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: sense of being disconnected from the ground, almost like in 505 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: a disassociative kind of allucinogenic way, and have the sensation 506 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: of flight. 507 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, feeling like you can fly. And this was 508 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: often depending on which his story and you ask, This 509 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: was often head and bane or hemlock and deadly nightshade combined. 510 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: It was best absorbed through bucus membranes, so we don't 511 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: have to walk through the rest of. 512 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, yeah, broomstick. Yeah, no, okay, y'all can 513 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: use context. 514 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: We're here, families. 515 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: Know we've got to talked about. 516 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: Well, Ben, I will say too, though in the Witch 517 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: and in a lot of the mythology around this, you 518 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: do usually see which is writing those broomsticks backwards? Oh man, Yeah, 519 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: that's the implication being that perhaps it's inserted. 520 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: While oh boy, how are we going to get out 521 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: of this one? 522 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: I think we've already gotten there. 523 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: We have to just leave it. Okay, Well, we'll go 524 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: to ancient Greece that and we'll talk about something I 525 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: also like to insert things, right they We're going to 526 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: talk briefly about something called k y Ka release Okay, 527 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of mystery religions in ancient Greece, 528 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: especially things like the Illucidian mysteries. They had this big 529 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: ceremony we don't know much about, but historians, Again, some 530 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: historians are going to argue that it involved the consumption 531 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: of a special brew that was made with water barley, 532 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: an herb called penny Royal and psyche is have you 533 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: tried Penny Royal? 534 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: No? I just know it was an early abortion remedy 535 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: that's right, remedy the wrong word, I'm sorry, and a 536 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: way of of of terminating a pregnancy, let's just say. 537 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: And there is a Nirvana song called Penny Royalty that 538 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: they play. 539 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: I think it's only in the Unplugged. 540 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: The boffins now believe that the psychoactive or drug element 541 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: of this of this drink was ergot. And I know 542 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: you and I have been fascinated by this for a while. 543 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: Remember the creepy way the corn looked in the bitch, 544 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. 545 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: That was another implication there, this ergot poisoning of crops 546 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: that were kind of had turned. There was some sort 547 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: of I guess a blight that would affect certain crops 548 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: specifically corn and wheat, I want to say, and it 549 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: was a fungus called ergot that when consumed, could potentially 550 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: cause hallucinations. And this was not blame and necessarily on 551 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: the witches themselves, but it was blamed on the hallucinations 552 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: of the townsfolk who maybe saw others and believed them 553 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: to be witches. Right, yeah, yeah, because of the hysteria 554 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: kind of. But I believe that's been largely debunked in 555 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: many ways. 556 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: A lot of it has, a lot of it has 557 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: and Salem witch trial wise, right, yeah, we do know 558 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: that ergot consumption probably led to some shenanigans in the 559 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: European sphere. We do know that various historians have proposed 560 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: it as part of the moral panic of the Salem 561 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: witch trials and other related witch trials. Here in the 562 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: United States, Kaikian is not super available. Now, You're not 563 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: going to find it at your local Trader Joe's, but 564 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: keep an eye out and don't do it. But if 565 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: you do do it, let us know how it works 566 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: out for you. 567 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: Well, Ben, I am heading to Trader Joe's right at 568 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: this courting, so I'll take a look and see if 569 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: they've they've added it to the to this week's drops. 570 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: You're the best man, keep us updated. Okay, Uh, we've 571 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: got to. 572 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: Be good on like a like a like a pizza chip. 573 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: Everything's pretty good on a pedah. 574 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: Are you a hummus guy, It's just got a good crunch, 575 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 3: you know. 576 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: I I want to be and I am sometimes, but 577 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: I will often buy aspirational hummus and then forget to 578 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: eat it. 579 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got to go for We've 580 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: got to find. You have to find your hummus. 581 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: And I think the thing with hummus for me is 582 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: I feel like there's a window past which I'm a 583 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: little iffy about eating it anymore, you know, irrespective of 584 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: like sell by dates, there's just something about the consistency 585 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: of it that if I don't eat it like right away, 586 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: the more it sits, the more I'm kind of like, 587 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: is this so good? 588 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm a jerk about hummus too, and I try to 589 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: I try to keep my my dogs in line and 590 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: in control. But man, when I get a hummus that 591 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: has like a good pine nut or pineut garlic, you 592 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: know they only put it at the very top of it. 593 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: If I eat that stuff immediately, unlike the kto only 594 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: eats the corner brownie. 595 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: I'm the same way, Ben. 596 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: That little circle of pine nuttery and olive oil in 597 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: the middle, very very good. 598 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: That's the good part. We have time maybe to talk 599 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: about just one more and. 600 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: If it wasn't clear, we're going to make this another 601 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 2: one of our occasional series. And I think there's a 602 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 2: lot more where this came from. But I'm excited about 603 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: this one. Ben, You're okay, okay, maybe. 604 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: The wrong word. I'm interested. I'm intrigued. I was. I 605 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: was intrigued too when you said that. 606 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: I did say Deadly knight Shade earlier, referring to a mushroom, 607 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: and all my heart was in the right place. Ain't 608 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: no mushroom called deadly night shade. There's something else entirely that, 609 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 2: there's that very creepy name. 610 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: I was so excited because I was going to ask you, 611 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: have you ever tried Bella Donna? I don't know how 612 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: you would say that casually if you're hanging out with 613 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: people who participate in this stuff and someone's like, oh man, 614 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: have you tried you know, insert drug here, and then 615 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: trying to be cool and not look like a cop 616 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: I would be like, I don't know, have you tried 617 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: Bella Donna? 618 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: There you go. I like that, Ben, that's a good method. 619 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: Bella donnas as Yeah, we're talking historical drugs here. This 620 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: is not one that you would necessarily be rocking to today. 621 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: It is also known as Deadly night shade. You might 622 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: recall it being one of the doctor in Nightmare before Christmas, 623 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: the materials that he uses to make. 624 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yeah, Deadly night Shade. 625 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 2: I think that's what actually Sally puts in his soup 626 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 2: to make him go to sleep. 627 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong. It is incredibly potent. 628 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: Only one or two berries is all it takes to 629 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: cause you to feel some hallucingenic effects. And if you 630 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 2: can imagine, getting upwards of three to maybe even ten 631 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: would really start to cause you to loutinate and then 632 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: potentially pass. 633 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: That would would start to cause your liver to shut down. 634 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it can kill you. It's so potent to your point, Noel, 635 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: that even the honey made by Bees with Belladonna nectar 636 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: will contain doses of the drug, so you can get 637 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: high off Belladonna. Honey, Belladonna, honey, excuse me. And this 638 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: was this was a huge poison in the ancient world, 639 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: for right. 640 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 2: I think that's where I mainly hear about it is 641 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 2: in like, you know, stories of intrigue and murder most foul. 642 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know that both Emperor Augustus and 643 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: Cloudius were allegedly poisoned by their wives. Yeah, using belladonna 644 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: and a woman's weapon, they would say, right, yeah, of 645 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: course of history here. 646 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 647 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: Are you watching the new House of Dragons House of 648 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: the Dragon. 649 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 2: You know, I thought that first episode utterly slapped. Yeah, 650 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 2: I felt like they've stopped real short at the end 651 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 2: of the last season where this should have been the 652 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: last episode of the previous season, and it was fantastic, 653 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: fully on board. 654 00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 3: Nice. 655 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: We know that also belladonna was used in eye drops 656 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: during the Renaissance in Europe. I didn't know we had 657 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: eye drops in the Renaissance. 658 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 2: Is this sort of like Jimmy Hendrix like putting lsd 659 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 2: in his eyes or like behind his instead band And it. 660 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: Was weird cosmetic thing because again these are apocryphal reports, 661 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: but the idea was that if you are trying to 662 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: really pop in a room in the cork, jeez, you 663 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: put a little bella dotta in your eyes because it 664 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: makes your eyes like your pupils dilate. Oh and you 665 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: look at you know, like anime station. Yeah yeah, yeah, 666 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: you get the big anime eyes. People still use bella 667 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: dotta and chemical derivatives today. 668 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: Hey, so it is around, But though, can we at 669 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 2: least agree that maybe it's a little bit more a niche? 670 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: I think so not in that top four list that 671 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: we mentioned at the beginning of the show. Sir, if 672 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: you and I and Max you're here too, and if 673 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: we're hanging out, uh on Max's beachfront property and some 674 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: guy walks up and tries to sell us cannabis, sure, fine, 675 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: do what you will. But if that guy also tried 676 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: to sell us belladonna, I think we need a signal 677 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: so we all know to get away. 678 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: I would also only really take him seriously if he 679 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: was wearing like a rough you know, a round collar 680 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 2: and some some some maybe pantaloons perhaps, you know, and 681 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 2: had like bells on the end of excuse me, sir, 682 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 2: could I interest you in some fine belladonna for your 683 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: beach front lounging. 684 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: And he's like, if you buy over a certain amount, 685 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: you get a broomstick too, and I'd be like, no, Max, 686 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: why is this guy winking at us and one Hen 687 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: and one Hen with the bane? Uh, this is just 688 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: as you said the beginning of the story. This is 689 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: part of we have to keep it. We have to, 690 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: we have to, we must. We shall tune in for 691 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: our next installment of weird things that people used to 692 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: get high off of. To be clear, it won't be 693 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: the next thing, but it will be next. It will 694 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: come when it comes. Yes, Yeah, and that's not because 695 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: we're experimenting at all. We've just got more research to do. 696 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 697 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: In the meantime, folks, thank you for tuning in. Please 698 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: check out our upcoming what I think is going to 699 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: be a two part series minimum Ridiculous History of Saturday 700 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: Morning Cartoons. 701 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, we would talk about that kind of off air. 702 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 2: We maybe even came up in an episode. But just 703 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 2: this idea of like how Saturday Morning cartoons. 704 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 3: Sort of were a way of getting around. 705 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: Laws in order to advertise more stuff for kids to 706 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 2: guilt their parents into buying them. 707 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Shout out to g I Joe, Shout 708 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: out to mask thunder Cat. Well, we'll get into all 709 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: of it. 710 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 2: Shout out to the Masters of the universe bearing the 711 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 2: lead in theatos now not a sponsor. 712 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: You said it was pretty good. I did well. 713 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: I meant sure for it, tame I had, I had 714 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 2: the action figures. I was a big he man guy 715 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: before you know what replaced he man for me. 716 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 3: Ben. 717 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 2: We'll get into this in the episode. I think this 718 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: is true of a lot of kids of a certain 719 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: age and kids anymore. I mean Ninja turtles. That was 720 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 2: my trajectory. You went from he man to Ninja turtles 721 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 2: kind of replacing he man entirely. 722 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: Turtle Time. Big shout out to our super producer, mister 723 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: Max Beachhead Williams. Big thanks to our composer Alex Williams, 724 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: who created this slap and bop for us, and we 725 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 1: should hang out with them soon. 726 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we got to. 727 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 2: Man. Ben, I'm just gonna go ahead and call you 728 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 2: out on you said turtle time. I think you meant 729 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 2: turtle power. Baby, You're right, I meant turtle power. Now 730 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 2: is the turtle time to say turtle power? 731 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: Did you know? Ben? We'll talk about this again. 732 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: It turns out the idea of power was really appealing 733 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 2: to kids, and that's why you hear it so often, 734 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 2: Like a he man power and teenage me Ninja turtles. 735 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 2: It was all about that turtle power because kids inherently 736 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 2: feel a little power less, so when you offer them 737 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: the power, they're really into. 738 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: It big Thanks to the most power hungry guy we know, 739 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland ak the quist. Oh my gosh, yes, indeed 740 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: we cuss his name, but also he's kind of a 741 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: cool guy and we miss you. But what the rude 742 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: dude's a ridiculous crime who will be dropping by sooner 743 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: rather than later, I think, of course, and Christopher Osiotis 744 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: and Eve Jef Coats here in spirit. Eve's Jeff Coat 745 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: here in spirit. 746 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: Along with if we're gonna mention the quizt, we got 747 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 2: to mention the puzzler aj Bahamas Jacobs. 748 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, can you imagine us quizzing old Bahamas 749 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: about some of this stuff. We didn't even get to 750 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: smoking banana pitts. 751 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 3: I think, oh, that'll be fun. That'll be a pune 752 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 3: coming up. 753 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, we should pit the quizt and 754 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 2: the Puzzler against each other in a quiz puzzle off. 755 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: I love it. This is a great idea. We should 756 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: end the episode now and get to work on it. 757 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks. 758 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 759 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.