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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette

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Speaker 1: and I am an editor at how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me, as usual, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland, Mr.

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Speaker 1: And Mrs Dursley of Number four Private Drive. We're proud

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Speaker 1: to say that they were perfectly normal. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: You know that quote was positively magical. Thank you. I

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Speaker 1: just joined Potter Moore, so I had to. I know,

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Speaker 1: I just gave it away Chucks. So today, tech stuff fans,

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Speaker 1: we're all gonna go on a little Google Drive. Oh cool?

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Speaker 1: Are We're gonna talk about those robotic cars that don't

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Speaker 1: need drivers except you know, when they're sitting in the

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Speaker 1: seat and they watched the car where you're in somebody else. No,

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Speaker 1: that's that's not what my notes are on. I was

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Speaker 1: talking about Google Drive, you know, the cloud storage Google

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Speaker 1: Drive announced on a Well, this will be a fun podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna see what our notes show. Um No, really,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Google Drive today. And the day

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Speaker 1: I know that you'll be listening to it quite a

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Speaker 1: it's April seven, the day we're recording this, So it's

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Speaker 1: just three days after Google finally officially announced and launched

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Speaker 1: Google Drive. Right. It was sort of a one of

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Speaker 1: it was released. Right. Yeah, people have been talking about

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about using someone else's computers to store

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Speaker 1: Internet using some sort of interface, usually web based, and

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Speaker 1: that is. Same sort of thing. Let's say that you've

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Speaker 1: taken a bunch of pictures of the Washington Monument and

433
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Speaker 1: then you think, oh, there's this great picture of the

434
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Speaker 1: Washington Monument I want to use, and I don't remember

435
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Speaker 1: where I put it. You can search Washington Monument and

436
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: that image recognition software will include any images that Google

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Speaker 1: identifies as the Washington Monument, uh and pulls it back

438
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Speaker 1: even if you didn't title the picture that, So the

439
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Speaker 1: picture could be titled something different. It couldn't just have

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Speaker 1: the date or some random string of letters and numbers.

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Speaker 1: But because that image recognition software is part of Google Search,

442
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: it can pull that up as well, which is a

443
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Speaker 1: really powerful tool. Now, Google does stress that both the

444
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: image recognition software and the the scanning of of scanned

445
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: files software both of that those technologies are in their

446
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: early phases and may not work flawlessly. So uh, you know,

447
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: mileage may vary essentially is what comes out of that.

448
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: But that that is a differentiator is that you've got

449
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: this amazing search tool. It turns out Google knows a

450
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: thing or two about search. They've picked up a couple

451
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: of tricks that that's really cool. They needed to work

452
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Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, no, they've they've got some good some

453
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Speaker 1: good work there, and then they're also working there's there's

454
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Speaker 1: all the collaborative features that you would get with Google Docs.

455
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Speaker 1: So that's included with Google Drive. So assuming that people, uh,

456
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Speaker 1: you know that you give access to certain files to people,

457
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: they should be able to make edits and everything they're

458
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Speaker 1: working on, including some other features as well. They've actually

459
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Speaker 1: opened up the platform and they've created an API for

460
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Speaker 1: for companies to add in their own features, so extensions

461
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: and things. So you might be vocation programming interface. Yes,

462
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: so you might be able eventually to do things like

463
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: send facts from your Google Drive to a fax machine

464
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: or to actually have edit videos within your Google Drive itself,

465
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Speaker 1: so you're not just letting people view a video, but

466
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Speaker 1: perhaps even edit videos within the drive using this third

467
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: party application. But they're the the possibilities are nearly endless. Yeah,

468
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, they they have already made

469
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Speaker 1: partnerships with some of these companies that that Jonathan is

470
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Speaker 1: alluding to UM for the launch of Google Drive and

471
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Speaker 1: you can go. You can actually find it pretty easily

472
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Speaker 1: when you go into your Google account that they have

473
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Speaker 1: these uh, these applications that are ready to take advantage

474
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Speaker 1: of this um it. As a matter of fact, UM

475
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Speaker 1: there is ah some of them have UM special deals.

476
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: Now that that's kind of important to note. Uh, just

477
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Speaker 1: just quickly that these third party companies are probably still

478
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: going to charge you for their services. UM. So you know,

479
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily free, but it does work very very easily,

480
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and it is uh you know, synchronized with Google Drive,

481
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: so it makes it very easy to do one from

482
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: the other. Now your mileage may vary again again. Yeah,

483
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: so let's talk a little bit about the tears that

484
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Speaker 1: the Google offers. No more tears. That's my AUSSI Osborne

485
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: reference for the day. Um, Actually it's probably not. I'm

486
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: sure I'll get a crazy train in there somewhere man,

487
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: or maybe war pigs. Maybe. I'm not sure how you're

488
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: going to get that one. Maybe iron Man. I mean, look,

489
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: I can force a reference if I have to. It

490
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: would be the first time anyway. So the tears that

491
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Speaker 1: Google offers, so you've got five gigabytes of free storage. Actually,

492
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: let's back that up. Okay, Google makes its money, well

493
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: just a little bit deep. Google makes its money from advertising. Yes,

494
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: that's true. Google is an advertising company when you get

495
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: downe to it, or at least they they run advertising, right,

496
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's kind of take one step back

497
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: and look at Google services. Okay, Google Docs, the previous

498
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: Google docs free. Gmail that's free, uh searches free to

499
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: the user. Um. Android is free for people to uh

500
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: to install on cell phones. Um, all this stuff is

501
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: offered more or less free to the consumer. This is

502
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: one of the big changes because Google's competitors in this

503
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: space people like uh that Jonathan mentioned before, dropbox, Box

504
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: formerly boxed, dot Net, Sugar Sinc. Sky Drive, sky Drive,

505
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: which is Microsoft's um application for this. These guys all

506
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: offer tears. There's an initial free smaller space, and then

507
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: they are are tiered pricing, so you get uh, you know,

508
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: small for free, you get medium for a few dollars

509
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: a month, you get large for a few more dollars

510
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: a month, etcetera, etcetera. So this is new. Google has

511
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: haven't done this with other products. Really, I can't think

512
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: of one, uh where it offers tiered pricing like this.

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00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: You know, nothing's popping the mind immediately. I mean, you

514
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: could make some arguments about Google Voice, but that's a

515
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: little different. That's a little different. Um yeah, so that's yeah,

516
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: it is is something to make a call on Google

517
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Voice normally, like over the phone. In general, it's free. Now. Grant,

518
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: what Google could have done is they could have offered

519
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: the five gigabytes free storage and that would have been it.

520
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: But see for Google to offer huge amounts of storage

521
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: for free would be well pretty soon Google, that would

522
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: be eating into Google's revenue. So it's understandable why they

523
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: did what they did. Um and and really when we

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00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: get into the comparisons, you'll see it's fairly comparable to

525
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: the other services. Some offer less space for free, some

526
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: offer more. But Dropbox, for example, is I would say,

527
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: the for what it's worth, the eight pound gorilla, and

528
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: yet that offers two gig and starts at two gigabytes

529
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: for our friends to feel for friends, you get five

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00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: hundred megabytes per referral and uh up to sixteen gigabytes

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00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: extra storage, so you could have up to eighteen gigabytes

532
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: for free if you referred that many friends to drop Box.

533
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah so uh but but getting back to it, the

534
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: five gigabytes is free for any user. So if you

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00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: have a Google account and you have five gigs free

536
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: storage online right now, uh, if that's enough, then for

537
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: about two dollars, and this is all at launch, I

538
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: should say, because if you're listening to this podcast in

539
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure the prices may be different, but for twenty

540
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: for two dollars and forty nine cents a month, you

541
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: can get twenty five gigabytes of storage. For four dollars

542
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: and ninety nine cents a month, you get a hundred

543
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: gigabytes of storage. And if you're really really data hungry,

544
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: for a cool forty nine nine nine a month for

545
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: nine dollars nine cents, you can get a terrabyte of

546
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: storage online. So uh so, yeah, for people who need

547
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: way more space. Let's say that you're that you do

548
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Speaker 1: a lot of video editing, that you do a lot

549
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: of a collaboration with other people with videos, and you

550
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: want to have that ability for people to all look

551
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: at it without it going live in any other way. Um,

552
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: this would be pretty useful. And uh again it's it's

553
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of comparable to what other companies offer. Uh some

554
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: of them don't have um as high amount of storage

555
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: that actually, none of them offer as much storage as

556
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: Google Drive does at its highest tier. The highest tier

557
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: that Google Drive offers is sixteen terabytes of storage, which

558
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: is for sevens a month. Yeah, well, I would say

559
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: that some of them I've seen essentially say hey, if

560
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you need if you really need more storage in this,

561
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: give us a call and we'll work something out. Um.

562
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, and and there are there are a few things. Um,

563
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: one you know this isn't completely new, because Google Docs

564
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: has allowed you to upload files like word Microsoft Word

565
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: documents for a little while now. But this is this

566
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: is basically the formal, uh, the formal announcement that hey,

567
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: we are going to offer you a certain amount of storage,

568
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: and this is how much it costs. So it's really

569
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: a delineation of all of that. Um. Yeah, the maximum

570
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: file size that you can upload to a Google Drive

571
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: as assuming that you have that much space as ten gigabytes,

572
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: um and uh, which is one of the larger actually,

573
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: I think that's the largest file size. Among the the

574
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: consumer cloud storage, there's enterprise cloud storage. To Amazon offers

575
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: enterprise level cloud storage. That's a different animal. Well, in

576
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: a way it is, and in a way it isn't,

577
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: because some of the other cloud services are using Amazon

578
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: as their right story. So in some cases you are

579
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: using Amazon Cloud Storage, you're just using it through another company.

580
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, we can genius business model right there. We

581
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: can do some comparisons with the others. But first, before

582
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: we did the comparisons, I wanted to talk a little

583
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: bit about some controversy that popped up. So there are

584
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: these things, these terms of service agreements that you know,

585
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: standard across the web, and sometimes people read them, and

586
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: when they do read them, sometimes they say, hey, that

587
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: doesn't sound quite right. Um, So one of the problems

588
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: that came up are not even a problem. One of

589
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: the one of the questions that popped up all had

590
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to do with part of the Google Drive terms of service,

591
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: which said that anyone who would upload or submit content

592
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: to Google Drive would grant Google and I quote, a

593
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create, derivative

594
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: works such as those resulting from translations, adaptations, or other

595
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: changes we make so that your content works better with

596
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: our services, communicate, published, publicly, perform, publicly, display, and distribute

597
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: such content end quote, which gave some people the fear

598
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: that perhaps what Google was saying is if you upload

599
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: your content to our service, we can do whatever we

600
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: want to it now. In truth, that's not what Google meant. No,

601
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: and this is common. I actually found an article on

602
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: c net where they had taken the terms of service

603
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: from basically everybody the major players in the cloud storage business,

604
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: and there are clauses similar to that in many of them,

605
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: and what they're basically saying is, um, you're giving us, Okay,

606
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: you put the you put the file on the server.

607
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: What they're saying is, you're going to allow us to

608
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: make a thumbnail, a derivative work. You'll you'll let us

609
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: capture the first page and make it small so you

610
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: can see what it looks like. They they have you

611
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: have to give them some of these rights to allow

612
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: you to access it from other computers, right to share

613
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: it with other collaborators with exactly. And and that's what

614
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to accomplish. But the way

615
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: it was worded freaked right now. And when you think

616
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: about a little bit, you realize, Uh, without this permission,

617
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: Google drive would not work because there and you couldn't

618
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: get it back because Google wouldn't. Google wouldn't have the

619
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: permission to display it in a way that would be

620
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: useful to you. So, for example, let's go with the

621
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: collaboration thing. Here's here's an example. And I think it

622
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: was c net that wrote this example. Um, I want

623
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: to say it was it was Google. I think that

624
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: actually said here's here's what the uh, here's a use

625
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: case scenario that will explain it. But I think it

626
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: was seen at that reported it said, all right, so

627
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: imagine that you are collaborating with a screenwriter in China,

628
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: and the screenwriter is writing in Chinese characters, and you

629
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: don't read Chinese. So when you open up the file,

630
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: Google Translate translates the document from Chinese into English so

631
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: that you can read it and it's in a format

632
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: that that makes sense to you. Well, those that's chain

633
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: gene that work. It's adapting it in the form of

634
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: translating it. And so this permission gives Google the rights

635
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: to do that so that that document is actually useful

636
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: to you. It's not. Google says they're not planning on

637
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: doing anything like taking your work that you have uploaded,

638
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: changing it around and then selling it somewhere. That's that's

639
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: not the purpose of this language. The purpose is just

640
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: so that the features within Google Drive are legal because

641
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: you have permitted Google to do it. Yeah, or or

642
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: using it in ads. Now, I've seen some people say

643
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: that they have seen their stuff being used in ads

644
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: that are being shown to them, um, but that whether

645
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: it goes beyond those people, I haven't heard anything about that,

646
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: So I'm not certain exactly how accurate that is, um,

647
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Because you know, they do collect quite a bit of

648
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: information on you, and they really probably wouldn't need to

649
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: look at your documents to be able to target advertising

650
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: to you and your interests. Yeah, I mean it's also

651
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: it's also so important that you know that these permissions

652
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: also allow Google to do things like scan all your

653
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: documents so that if you need to search them, that

654
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: they can return results on those searches. Otherwise, again, you

655
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to search anything. You would just have

656
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: to go through all that huge pile of files and

657
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: find what you needed. Again, it's useful, it's a useful feature.

658
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: But in order to do that, you have to grant

659
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: them those those those permissions. Yeah, because if you don't then,

660
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: uh then legally Google would be unable to provide that,

661
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: at least not without breaking the law. Right. And of

662
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: course this is all happening this week. It launched this week.

663
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: I think in the last day or so, the tempers

664
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: have cooled, but people are still saying, well, okay, fine,

665
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: but the way it's written is very broad and it

666
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: could be allowed, it could allow opening the door to

667
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: doing these things. So they're saying that Google was a

668
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: little reckless is probably a strong word, but they were

669
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: a little uhum vague in their terms and uh and

670
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: it grant them those permissions where they could theoretically do that.

671
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: But again, these terms are very similar to the ones

672
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: used by just about everybody else out there. I remember

673
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: almost identical story from a couple of years ago, and

674
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the company was. It might have

675
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: even been Google again, but I remember distinctly that there

676
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: was a discussion about this sort of thing and how

677
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: people were worried that they were handing their rights over

678
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: to another company, when in truth, what was going on

679
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: was just like this. It was it was the permissions

680
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: were there so that the service could display the work

681
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: and the way it needed to be displayed for it

682
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: to be useful, and uh and so ultimately it just

683
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: boiled down to know, we're not selling your stuff. We

684
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: just need this permission or else there's no service. We

685
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: we literally cannot do what we need to do for

686
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: us to be useful. So um, yeah, no need to panic,

687
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: although it's always good to question just in case. I mean,

688
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, Google does still have that that motto of

689
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: don't be evil, but you never know where. Evil's kind

690
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: of an interesting thing that itself is not entirely uh

691
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: like one from one man's definition of evil may be

692
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: different from another's. And I've heard it clarified um Prime

693
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: that that was really intended to mean, don't manipulate search

694
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: results to facilitate advertising, and it was specifically geared towards that.

695
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: So keep your eyes it's always going to keep your

696
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: eyes open. No, it's it's always important to question. So

697
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: let's go on to talking a little bit about how

698
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: Google Drives stacks up against other cloud storage services. So

699
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: with the free storage, with five gigabytes free storage, that

700
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: puts it on the same playing ground as services like

701
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: Box and sugar Sink. Both of those offer five gigs

702
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: as well. Drop Boxes a little less is two gigabytes.

703
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: But again, if you start referring other people and they

704
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: joined the service, you get five hundred megabytes per referral,

705
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: up to a maximum sixteen gigs. So you could, in theory,

706
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: have way more storage for free on Dropbox than you

707
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: would on these other services. Microsoft sky Drive is at

708
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: seven gigabytes, but people who had sky Drive accounts previous

709
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: to Google Drives launch can have up to hi gigabytes

710
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: for free. Yes, but that offers being made for a

711
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: limited time. So if you have that and you want

712
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: to keep that, you might want to go quickly over

713
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: there too. In fact, by the time this podcast publishes

714
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: it may very well be late too late. UM, so

715
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: in that case we're sorry anyway. The the minimum upgrade,

716
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: so the smallest step that you can make from free

717
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: to a paid service is uh as a little different

718
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: depending on them the service. So for Google Drive it's

719
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: two dollars and forty nine cents per month for gigs

720
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: of storage. For for Dropbox, you get the lowest up

721
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: is fifty gigabytes of storage for nine dollars and ninety

722
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: nine cents a month, So if you're breaking it down

723
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: per gig then Google Drive is cheaper, although you get

724
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: less storage. Uh Box is twenty five gigabytes, so same

725
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: amount as Google Drive, same amount storage, but for nine

726
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: dollars nine nine cents a month, so it's more expensive.

727
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: Sugar Sinc. Is thirty gigabytes of storage for four dollars

728
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: and ninety nine cents a month, so uh it's you

729
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: get you get five gigabytes more storage, but it's um

730
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: it's essentially twice the price of Google Drive. UH And

731
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: then um sky Drive is twenty gigabytes for ten dollars

732
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: a year, which is actually uh it's a little less

733
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: storage than Google Drive, but Google Drive at tot nine

734
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: a month, you multiply that by twelve months, then you're like,

735
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: oh well, Microsoft sky Driving away is a little cheaper UM.

736
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: So that's how those stack up. And also the maximum

737
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: file size limit. Google Drive knows the others out of

738
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: the water, except for Sugar Sinc. Which does not technically

739
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: have a file size limit, but the but box is

740
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: limit is a hundred megabytes, so that's that's not too big.

741
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: Drop Box and sky Drive both have a limit of

742
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: two gigabytes for a file size. Uh. The uh. Sugar Sinc,

743
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: drop Box, sky Drive, and Google Driver are all compatible

744
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: both with Windows and Mac. Box is a business enterprise

745
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: UM service, so primarily I mean you can you can

746
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: get one if you want one. Uh. All of them

747
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: have iPhone apps except for Google Drive right now, but

748
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: Google drives working on it. Uh. The only one that

749
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have an Android app out of the of the

750
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: ones I've listed is sky Drive, Microsoft sky Drive. Everything

751
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: else has an Android app already out on the market.

752
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Windows Phone. Well, here's a shock. Microsoft sky Drive has

753
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: a does phone app, but Google Drive doesn't, Dropbox doesn't,

754
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 1: Box doesn't Sugar Sinks is supposedly coming out, so maybe

755
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: by the time this podcast, because Live Sugar Sink will

756
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: have theirs UM. They all are. They all have web access,

757
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: so you can access the service over the web, so

758
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: even if your device does not have an application that

759
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: is native to that device, you can still get there

760
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: over the web, assuming you have a browser. UH, and

761
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: all of them allow for public file sharing, so that

762
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: you can actually let other folks see what's in your

763
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: drive or see specific files that you have you know,

764
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: enabled public sharing. You can also do private file sharing

765
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: with all of them, so that if you want to

766
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: have just a group of collaborators, Let's say you're all

767
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: working on a project together and you want to be

768
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: able to look at everyone else's UM information on a

769
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: particular file, you can do that, and then the public

770
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: itself would be shielded. They would not be able to

771
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: see that UM. And most of them off first some

772
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: sort of collaborative document editing, although you might have to

773
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: use proprietary apps in order to do it. Dropbox does not,

774
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: it's more of a storage feature than collaboration. Sugar Sync

775
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: also doesn't, but sky Drive, Box and Google Drive all

776
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: do UM. And then there are a couple of other

777
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: uh features like the third party apps, UM integration. That's

778
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty much standard across the board. Sky Drive is

779
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: specifically going to be for Windows eight apps, so, but

780
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: others are you know, pretty much unfettered. So that's kind

781
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: of how it boils down to the other major cloud

782
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: services that are out there, and there's there's more than that.

783
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: That's just that's just a handful of them. Oh yeah,

784
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: I've I've got different applications for several of them, including

785
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: uh a Bunto one which is offered by Canonical primarily

786
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: for Linux users. And uh, you know, they're there are

787
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: others out there they're trying um and people have questioned

788
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: whether or not these services are going to continue into

789
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: the future. UM, I think Google Drive may end up

790
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: being a model for what's going to be happening. Google

791
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: Drive and sky Drive basically are you know, sort of

792
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: hybrids of online collaboration, software and storage. UM. So the

793
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: pure storage players like Dropbox and sugar Sink may have

794
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: a difficult time competing with them in the future, especially

795
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: since they're owned by uh, you know, sky Driving and

796
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: um Google Driver are you know, big players, and they've

797
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: got a whole lot of money to throw at these

798
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: these UM different applications, so you know, creating larger and

799
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: larger file storage for free, offering those services for free. UM.

800
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, it may not be very long at all

801
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: before Google and Microsoft are offering you know, ten gigabytes

802
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: UM or you know, or more than that. And of

803
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: course you know, Apple is doing something very similar with

804
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: the the um I work sweet too, So UM it's

805
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: very possible that the big players in the industry may

806
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: run off with it and and the pure storage guys

807
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: sort of followed by the wayside. I would say that

808
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: is a very very real possibility, but probably not for

809
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: another year or two at least. UM. Just as people

810
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: decide what it is they want to do with these systems,

811
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: if they end up using just storage, you know, hey,

812
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: I'd rather create a document on my desktop and then

813
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: share it with my collaborators on the on the drive

814
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: rather than you know us working on a document in

815
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: the cloud in my web browser. I think. UM, I

816
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: think the real problem for the consumer in the short

817
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: term is going to be uh, figuring out where the

818
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: heck your data is if you're using multiple um multiple services.

819
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: I do have that problem, Yeah, because if you have

820
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: a Dropbox and I have Google Drive. Those are the

821
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: only two that I'm using. I've got like six or seven. Yeah,

822
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: I resisted that temptation because I knew what would happen.

823
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: It's the problem you have. The problem you have within

824
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: one drive is multiplied when you have multiple drives. So

825
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: that's like, that's like you come home and you don't

826
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: know what which computer has the file that you need

827
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: on it. So you've got four computers in your house

828
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: for some reason, Uh, like you live in my house

829
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: for example. Actually I think I've got more than four,

830
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: but anyway, I think I've got five. Anyway, let's say

831
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: that you've got five computers at your house. Then let's

832
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: say you've got five computers in my house, and that

833
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: I have a file saved on one of those computers.

834
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: Then comes the fun part of going to each computer

835
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: and figuring out where it is. The same problem. If

836
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: you're using multiple cloud storage services, you're gonna have to

837
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: go and do search for each one. That the benefit

838
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: to it is that you can at least do that

839
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: search from one machine, as long as that one machine

840
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: can access each of the services you're using, and if

841
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: they all have web based access, and you've got a

842
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: web browser, then you've got that problem solved, even if

843
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: it's not the most elegant solution, but still means that

844
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: you have to check each one of the drives and

845
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: figure out where you have it, and then you might

846
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: even fall into that same trap you had before where

847
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: you might have duplicate files. You might have one instance

848
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: on one drive and another instance on another drive. So

849
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: um yeah, that's that's gonna be a problem too, is

850
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: that if you use a lot of these services, then

851
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: you still have to have some sort of discipline when

852
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: it comes to data management. Maybe you only use one

853
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: for one particular type of file and use another for

854
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: a different one. In that way, at least you reduce

855
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: that confusion. Me what I think I'm gonna end up

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