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Speaker 1: Hello, Texans, Welcome to the program coming to you from Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine twenty twenty three, and let's get

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Speaker 1: right to it as we have. Demko Ryan's on the

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Speaker 1: show tonight, extended visit with the head coach, then Greg

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Speaker 1: Coo Sell you know he's great at evaluating quarterbacks all

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Speaker 1: positions for NFL films. Big visit with him, and later

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Speaker 1: on Deep Situ with a stand up with Chris Simms

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Speaker 1: from Pro Football Talk, former Longhorn quarterback as you all know,

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Speaker 1: and good friend of Kyle Shanahan. What's he gonna say

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Speaker 1: about Demiko Ryans. All of that is coming your way.

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Speaker 1: But first our visit with the new head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Texans. It's the maiden voyage on Texans Radio for

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Speaker 1: head coach Demiko Ryans. How's it going, coach? Great? All

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Speaker 1: right with you guys? All right, Well, good to have

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Speaker 1: you at the scouting Combine and the first of many

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Speaker 1: visits here on Texans Radio. First of all, well let's

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Speaker 1: just get to the present. How has it been at

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Speaker 1: the combine so far for you? What you're concentrating on here,

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah, it's been really good so far.

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Speaker 1: As an opportunity for us to you know, get in

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Speaker 1: and get to know these guys all right as much

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Speaker 1: as you can. We have these formal interviews or this process,

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Speaker 1: Just getting background information on guys is really for me,

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get out of this is to

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Speaker 1: Because if you get the right guy right, he's made

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Speaker 1: of the right stuff and we'll know the talent. You

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Speaker 1: know their strengths and weaknesses, and every player we can

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Speaker 1: help them with that. But do you have the right makeup?

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Speaker 1: R Are you made of the right stuff to where

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Speaker 1: you want to be coachable? You want to be great

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Speaker 1: finding those type of guys, that's what we're looking for. Coach,

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Speaker 1: you haven't gone through this process? Has it changed how

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Speaker 1: you look at these players and these prospects a little

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Speaker 1: bit because you know what it's been like and now

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Speaker 1: you're seeing it through different eyes as the head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Texans. But has it helped you all going

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Speaker 1: through this process? Yes, it definitely has helped me being

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Speaker 1: able being going through this problem says before, just how

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Speaker 1: like do you want to just you know, some guys

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Speaker 1: come at the guys very aggressive and yeah, it's like,

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Speaker 1: well I didn't like that when someone came at me

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Speaker 1: understand what these guys are going through. It's a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: It's a lot on these guys. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: they have to answer a lot of questions. Right. That

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Speaker 1: Now he knows what he needs to do to improve. Coach,

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Speaker 1: you were an All American defensive player, you were a

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Speaker 1: But now you got to put together an offensive staff.

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Speaker 1: How is that process for you? Knowing what you were

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Speaker 1: it's it's about finding the right guys, the right guys

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Speaker 1: the right guys who can inspire, Guys who are always learning,

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Speaker 1: that's what I was looking for. And you know, finding

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Speaker 1: It's about the future. But when you try and figure

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Speaker 1: Where can they improve? So that's what our coaches have

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Speaker 1: no one thought about a quarterback's ability to do things

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Speaker 1: out of structure of an offense. In fact, if you

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Speaker 1: saw a quarterback in college, you did too much of that.

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Speaker 1: Very often. He was viewed as a non prospect because

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Speaker 1: he couldn't play from the pocket. And sure, there's a

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Speaker 1: balance there. That can't be your number one thing. You

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Speaker 1: still have to make throws from the pocket, and you

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Speaker 1: have to do that with efficiency. But it's clear in

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Speaker 1: today's NFL, with the expansion of defenses, with the increased

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Speaker 1: speed of defenses, with more faster players on defenses due

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Speaker 1: to sub defenses, nickel dime, some teams even play seventy

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Speaker 1: b's at times that quarterbacks do have to be able

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Speaker 1: to move somewhere along the line. And when it comes

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Speaker 1: to height, there's no question that you know, and that

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Speaker 1: that's a case by case. We're certainly going to get

443
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Speaker 1: an interesting, uh situation this ye with Bryce Young, who's

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Speaker 1: a really, really good player, And with him it's not

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Speaker 1: just height. You have the double exception element with him

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Speaker 1: with the weight. You know, it's one thing if a

447
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Speaker 1: guy's five two ten, then you'll at least just say

448
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Speaker 1: he's got a little girth to him. But you know,

449
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Speaker 1: Bryce Young's like lead away two hundred or less, you know,

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Speaker 1: so with him you have, you know, that double dilemma.

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Speaker 1: But I think that those things are clearly not as

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Speaker 1: important or seen as important, whereas years ago, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young twenty years ago, no matter how great he

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Speaker 1: was in college, would never be seen as a top

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Speaker 1: five pick in an NFL draft. Yeah, no doubt, Greg.

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Speaker 1: I want to start, We'll go to Bryson just a second. On.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the quarterbacks now in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, because there are a couple of them that

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Speaker 1: seemingly are on the move and we don't know exactly,

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Speaker 1: but we would think Derek Carr, for sure is and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You don't know, what do you think the

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Speaker 1: future is for those two? And more specifically, where are

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Speaker 1: those two and what do they still have left in

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Speaker 1: the tank as NFL quarterbacks. You know, I think Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr is a really intriguing player. He's a really gifted

466
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Speaker 1: thrower of the football. He's had a lot of offensive

467
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Speaker 1: coordinators and a lot of, you know, different coaches through

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Speaker 1: the years, and that's difficult. I'm not sure people realize

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Speaker 1: how difficult that can be. You know. I spoke to

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Speaker 1: a coach who coached in the league for forty five

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Speaker 1: years and he explained it this way to me, and

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Speaker 1: it really resonated. He said, think of it this way.

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Speaker 1: One year, you're you're you have to learn French, and

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Speaker 1: you master French, and then as susan, as soon as

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Speaker 1: the season ends, a new coach comes in, he says, well, no,

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Speaker 1: forget about all the French. Now, we're going to start

477
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Speaker 1: a learning German, you know. And that's the way it

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Speaker 1: is for quarterbacks. When there's a totally new offensive system

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Speaker 1: that comes into play, it's not only the language, but

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Speaker 1: it's how you get to the concepts. So you're starting

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Speaker 1: from scratch and he's had to go through a lot

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Speaker 1: of that in his career. Um, you know, he's he's

483
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Speaker 1: a tough quarterback. He's got some movement to him. He

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Speaker 1: throws the ball really well. I think Derek Carr in

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Speaker 1: the right situation, you know, you probably wouldn't put him

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Speaker 1: in the top five in the league, but he's a

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Speaker 1: quality NFL quarterback. Aaron Rodgers, you know, I don't think

488
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Speaker 1: he was as good this year as he's been in

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Speaker 1: the past. I think he saw his body break down

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't think he moved quite as well. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: he's still a ridiculously good thrower of the football. You know,

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Speaker 1: we may have never seen anybody throw the ball in

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Speaker 1: the history of the game the way Aaron Rodgers throws

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Speaker 1: the ball. But you know, with Rodgers, I think with

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Speaker 1: him it comes down to, because he's under contract, what

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Speaker 1: you would have to give up. So the question is

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Speaker 1: what are you willing to give up for a guy

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Speaker 1: who may decide he only wants to play one more

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Speaker 1: year and you and you won't know that he may

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Speaker 1: play this year and then decide he's done. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: with him, I think it's a much tougher call if

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Speaker 1: you're a team interested in him as your quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: you have to pay him a few dollars as well

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Speaker 1: along the way, Greg co sell NFL films joining us

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Speaker 1: combine Radio Row. All right, let's get this at the rookies.

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Speaker 1: Where are you at in your rookie evaluations, especially with

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Speaker 1: the so called top four qbs? Greg, I've done pretty

508
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Speaker 1: much all of them. I've got my notes with me.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, here, we got my notes with me.

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Speaker 1: I've done Levis. I'm done with Levis. I'm done with Richardson,

511
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Speaker 1: I'm done with C. J. Stroud, I'm done with pretty

512
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Speaker 1: much done with Bryce Young. All right, let's start, in

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Speaker 1: no particular order. Richardson out of Florida. What do you

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Speaker 1: make of him coming into the NFL this year? Richardson

515
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Speaker 1: is a fascinating guy, because you know, I would imagine

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Speaker 1: think of it this way, and John, I think you'd

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Speaker 1: really appreciate this, Not that you wouldn't, but you know

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Speaker 1: is I think all quarterback coaches, if you told them

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Speaker 1: to list the traits of quarterbacks, they probably all have

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Speaker 1: the same twelve or fifteen traits. The question is what

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Speaker 1: value do they ascribe to those traits and different coaches

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Speaker 1: might ascribe different value. So what does Richardson bring to

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Speaker 1: the table. Richardson brings size, a power hose, and he

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Speaker 1: can run. Okay, beyond that, he doesn't bring anything to

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Speaker 1: the table. Now, if every coach I've talked to and said,

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Speaker 1: what's the first thing you look at when you look

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Speaker 1: at a college quarterback? The universal answer I get his accuracy.

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Speaker 1: Universal Richardson is a very inaccurate quarterback. He's scattershot. You

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not sure he knows where the ball

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Speaker 1: is going. So there's no nuance and subtlety to his game. Now,

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Speaker 1: so now what you need to find out You need

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Speaker 1: to find out a couple of things with Richardson. Number One,

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Speaker 1: he does not have a lot of reps in college football.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to say he should have stayed, he chose

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Speaker 1: not to. Number Two, you got to find out which

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Speaker 1: I don't have this luxury. You have to find out

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Speaker 1: what kind of kid he is? You know, does he

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Speaker 1: have that extra you know that we talk about with

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, that work ethic, that approach,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You know, does he

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Speaker 1: have that? Because in speaking to a coach today. He

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Speaker 1: told me that you could see that with Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: when you interviewed him when he came out. Then you

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Speaker 1: knew there were issues with Josh Allen in terms of

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Speaker 1: accuracy and other things. But after spending time with the kid,

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Speaker 1: you walked away feeling like this kid's got something within

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Speaker 1: him and it's going to come out. So you'd have

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Speaker 1: to find that out about Anthony Richardson because right now.

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Speaker 1: I also spoke to another coach who basically told me

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Speaker 1: he was unwatchable. He said, he's a late round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: To me, he's unwatchable. So he is a difficult guy

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Speaker 1: to watch at times, by the way. And you know,

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Speaker 1: so the question is if you draft him high. Most

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Speaker 1: of the time when you draft quarterbacks high, no matter

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Speaker 1: what teams say, those guys play, they play. So then

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Speaker 1: you get into what kind of offense you would run

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Speaker 1: with him. See it's funny, I don't see him like

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen at all. I think if you would draft

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and you had to play him, I think

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Speaker 1: you'd want to run an offense like the Eagles with

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Speaker 1: Jalen huts Boom. Absolutely, that's what I think. That's where

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Speaker 1: you value. He's not Josh Shallen to me at all.

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Speaker 1: People say that because of the size and the and

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Speaker 1: the gun, but to me, he's not Josh Allen. You'd

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Speaker 1: have to run an offense more like the Eagles with

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, where the run game creates so many problems

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Speaker 1: for the defense that you can at least clearly define

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Speaker 1: the throws for Richardson because he's not you could make

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Speaker 1: the argument that when you watch him on tape and

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Speaker 1: think a little more conventionally about quarterbacks, that he's not

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Speaker 1: very good at all. Right now, Wow, And if you

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Speaker 1: watch if you watch a certain game, I eat Tennessee game,

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Speaker 1: you're like, whoa. If you watch the Kentucky game, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's like that throughout games where you see him in

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Speaker 1: a in a good game and you're like yes. Then

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Speaker 1: you'll see him in a different game and you're like

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Speaker 1: hell noe. And it really matters which game you watch Richardson.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't watch them all, if you just picked

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Speaker 1: one and you picked the right one, you'll think he's

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Speaker 1: the number one I watched. I watched Uta, Tennessee, US Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Texas A and m Van Bill in Florida. I know

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Speaker 1: you watch. I'm just saying they're are that don't do

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Speaker 1: that right, and they'll look at one game and they'll

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Speaker 1: think that guy's a stud. And then and by the way,

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of stud plays. Yes, I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to sit here and say the guy can't play

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Speaker 1: at all. But overall, if you look at the large

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Speaker 1: body of work, and much of this is due to

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Speaker 1: lack of experience, don't forget in twenty twenty one, I

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Speaker 1: watched all his plays because he only had about one

591
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy of them in this year. He was

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Speaker 1: a starter for the first time, so he just does

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Speaker 1: not have a lot of reps, which makes him a

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Speaker 1: major projection. And the bottom line is a team is

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Speaker 1: not going to know until they get him in their bill.

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Speaker 1: They can do all their due diligence and they can

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Speaker 1: feel pretty good about what they think they're going to get,

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Speaker 1: but they're not going to know for sure until he's

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Speaker 1: in their building. They're working with him on a day

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Speaker 1: to day basis. Greg, let's go to the other let's

601
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Speaker 1: say polarizing one, because they're all polarizing in their own way.

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Speaker 1: Will Visi tucky. Yeah. Will Lovis to me is a

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00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: really interesting player. First of all, he's he's got trades too,

604
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Speaker 1: because he can snap it off, he's got a compact delivery,

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Speaker 1: he can flick it, he can attack all three levels.

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Speaker 1: He played in what would be considered two NFL style

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Speaker 1: offenses the last two years. This year he played behind

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Speaker 1: a poor ole line. You know. He supposedly was really

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Speaker 1: hurt pretty badly much of the season, and there were

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Speaker 1: games apparently he shouldn't even have played. But he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's a tough, physical, competitive kid. Now. Even though

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Speaker 1: I think he can run a little, he's not really

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Speaker 1: a second reaction player. I think he can run by design,

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Speaker 1: but I think he lacks in a couple of areas.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have great pocket movement. He's pretty much a

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Speaker 1: pocket quarterback, which means that the margin for era, you know,

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Speaker 1: increases a bit because ultimately he's got to be protected

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Speaker 1: and it has to be clearly defined for him so

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Speaker 1: he can feel comfortable delivering the football. You know. To me,

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Speaker 1: he would at best in an offense to start if

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Speaker 1: he had a player early in an offense that featured

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Speaker 1: conventional play action with more defined reads and throws, so

623
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Speaker 1: he could feel because because that normally defines things for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. You know, when you go put the quarterback

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Speaker 1: under center, keep in mind under center play action is

626
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: much more effective play action the shotgun play action. For

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Speaker 1: this reason, it takes longer to get to the mesh point,

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00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: so second level defenders can't They don't know what the

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Speaker 1: play is until you get to the mesh point and

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Speaker 1: behind beyond, so they have to wait. And that split

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Speaker 1: second counts, yeah, for actions count in the NFL. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that he'd have to be you know,

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Speaker 1: he'd have to play in that. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: his twenty twenty one tape gives you a better feel

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Speaker 1: for how he could effectively transition to the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: thought that Liam Cohen's offense in twenty twenty one just

637
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Speaker 1: seemed to be more rhythmic. It allowed, it allowed Levis

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Speaker 1: to be more rhythmic in his play than what happened

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. For whatever reason, you know, we

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Speaker 1: weren't there. I can't speak to the wise, but that's

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Speaker 1: what the tape showed. So I think that you've got

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Speaker 1: a better feel for the rhythmic nature of his play.

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Speaker 1: Watching his twenty twenty one tape. Okay, let's go to CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud out of Ohio State at the Great Game against Georgia.

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Speaker 1: C J. Stroud is he's a really good thrower of

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Speaker 1: the football. I mean, he's a natural, natural thrower of

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Speaker 1: the football. And I think the thing with Stroud is

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Speaker 1: he can do something that's hard to teach. He just

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Speaker 1: has it. He has pace and touch. He can feather

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Speaker 1: the ball, he can layer the ball. That not a

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Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks. There's a lot of quarterbacks that have

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Speaker 1: big arms, but they can't throw with pace and touch.

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Speaker 1: So we watched them throwing. Call man, that guy's got

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Speaker 1: a hose, but they can't make all the right kinds

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Speaker 1: of throws. Stroud can do that. And he also you know,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't say Stroud has a gun, but he can

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Speaker 1: make every single throw. So to me, Stroud of this

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Speaker 1: group is the best overall thrower of the football in

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Speaker 1: the bill to make all the necessary throws that are

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Speaker 1: required in the National Football League. Yeah, I think he's

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Speaker 1: the guy. Comped him to Greg and I did this

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Speaker 1: actually in the spring because of his ball placement and

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Speaker 1: one other aspect, and that is he's He's gifted enough

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Speaker 1: to get out of the pocket and do something with

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Speaker 1: his legs, but it's often to throw. He's not a

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Speaker 1: runner per se. Yeah, I came up with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was that guy that I came up with

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Speaker 1: because Joe kind of thinks that way. Joe will scrambone

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Speaker 1: he needs to. But Joe's ball placement come out of

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Speaker 1: l was just spot on. And that was what I

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Speaker 1: saw was C J. Stroud. And then he got in

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Speaker 1: that Georgia game and it was like, man, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: that's the game where people start to feel like, hey,

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Speaker 1: at least he can make some plays on the move.

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Speaker 1: You know, the only question you always have with Ohiuse

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Speaker 1: State quarterbacks, and you can't blame Ryan Day. His jobs

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Speaker 1: to win games at Ohio State is they're rarely under

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Speaker 1: duress and receivers seem to be wide open. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you think to yourself, Okay, how's he going to deal

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Speaker 1: with contested pockets moneyed pockets, which is different than leaving

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Speaker 1: the pocket, because you can't. He's not a guy that's

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Speaker 1: always going to leave the you know, did he have

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Speaker 1: to do it a few times against arguably the best

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Speaker 1: defense in college football Georgia. Yes, and he did it well.

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Speaker 1: But that's not going to He's not gonna make a

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Speaker 1: living in the NFL. That's not going to be his game.

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Speaker 1: His game is going to be playing from the pocket

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Speaker 1: and being able to do two things pocket movement, which

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Speaker 1: I think he showed he can do. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: navigating in a smaller confined space and being able to

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Speaker 1: throw with bodies around him where the pocket gets squeezed.

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Speaker 1: You know, those are two things he'll have to do now.

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Speaker 1: I think you saw flashes of both, but Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of those plays because he's

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Speaker 1: so well protected and receivers are open. But just looking

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Speaker 1: at him throw the ball, he's a natural thrower the football.

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Speaker 1: Greg Goseell with US NFL Films One more for you, Greg.

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Speaker 1: Final thoughts on Young get into him a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Is the perceived consensus that he's the top prospect here

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Speaker 1: in this draft? Yeah, and Bryce Young. I've gotten to

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Speaker 1: know Bryce Young and his family, and he's an unbelievable kid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna blow everybody away. And he could

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Speaker 1: step right in and run an NFL offense. Because Bill

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Speaker 1: O'Brien gave him freedom, which Bill O'Brien does not do

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Speaker 1: with college quarterbacks, and he gave Bryce Young freedom at

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Bryce Young is incredibly intelligent and

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Speaker 1: incredibly instinctive, sees it, understands it. The likelihood of his

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Speaker 1: will be five eleven, one hundred ninety eight pounds, so

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Speaker 1: he's an exception in both areas, not just in height

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Speaker 1: but also in weight and girth. So you know that's

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Speaker 1: you have to decide how you feel about that. He

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Speaker 1: has a great feel for space, great spatial awareness, navigates

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Speaker 1: space exceptionally well, incredibly intuitive, sees everything. But when there

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Speaker 1: is pressure and that he can't move for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: he loses velocity. He doesn't He's not a power thrower,

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a big natural arm, you know, not a

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Speaker 1: bad arm, but not a big natural arm. So you know,

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Speaker 1: those are the you have to decide. Ultimately, you have

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Speaker 1: to decide how you feel about the size issue, because

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Speaker 1: there's special moments to the way in which he plays. Greg,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time. As always, we love

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Speaker 1: the visits here at the Combine. Thanks guys really appreciate

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Speaker 1: it all right, Thanks a lot for being with us,

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Speaker 1: Greg co Sell, We already had Demiko Ryan's on We're

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Speaker 1: gonna podcast this show soon enough, on the Texans app

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00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: and on all the podcast platforms. He can hear the

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Speaker 1: Demico interview and he'll be a part of Texans three

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Speaker 1: sixty on Saturday Night as well on ABC thirteen Todays

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Speaker 1: every Saturday night at eleven pm in the offseason. Check

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Speaker 1: it out YouTube TV. We've got you covered all the

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Speaker 1: different platforms. Another guy, as you covered as Chris Simms.

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Speaker 1: He's part of PFTs platforms. But we say that word

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Speaker 1: a lot, right They're on Peacock, They're on NBC Sports Channel.

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Speaker 1: Does that still exist? I don't know. You see him

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Speaker 1: online a lot on Twitter with Mike Florio. Deep City

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Speaker 1: catches up with Chris Simms, the former Longhorn quarterback. Next

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Speaker 1: here on Texans Radio. Not quite done yet here on

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio. As we had Demiko Ryan's on tonight, we

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Speaker 1: had Greg co Sell and as promised, we will wrap

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Speaker 1: it up with Chris Simms from Pro Football Talk former

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Speaker 1: Longhorn quarterback. Deep bes Do caught up with Chris. Chris,

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Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about Demco Ryan's your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the Houston Texans bringing back a former player, former

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Speaker 1: team captain to lead the team now match made in Heaven.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what that is. I don't know Demiko

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Speaker 1: other than in passing, really, but I'm very close with

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and Kyle Shanahan. I know what

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00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of guys and humans he would have around, So

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Speaker 1: you know that's where I can just go. I know

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Speaker 1: he's made for this job. I do. He got great energy.

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Speaker 1: I love his defensive scheme. You know, it's very sound,

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00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: with a splash of creativity and game plan specifics. And

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Speaker 1: then I think when you add on that he played

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Speaker 1: for the Texans, his wife from there. You know he's

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00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: from the South. Seems like he wanted that job more

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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: than any That's when the stars aligned and some good

757
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: things can happen. He's gonna have a lot of draft

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Speaker 1: capital to number two and number twelve overall pick. And

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Speaker 1: I know you're good friends with Nick Kassirio, So if

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Speaker 1: you had to get into Knick's head, who would you

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Speaker 1: take with the number two overall picks? Well, I'm not there,

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Speaker 1: like as far as like I'm a I got a

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Speaker 1: fuel for all these guys, but I can't give you

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Speaker 1: like a stone cold answer But here's what I'll say,

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Speaker 1: But those picks, Yeah, I think this is you know,

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Speaker 1: the team has got a lot of you know, the

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Speaker 1: good core, basic principal players on the team throughout. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a phrase I always use a lot of good

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Speaker 1: meat and potato guys. Now it's time to get some

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Speaker 1: guys that you know, can make plays, be difference makers,

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Speaker 1: get a big sack to close out at the end

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Speaker 1: of the football game. Right, So I look at like, hey,

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Speaker 1: pass rusher certainly something I would think of. The Houston

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Speaker 1: Texans are going to be looking at in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a big time wide receiver to go along with it, right,

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Speaker 1: And then of course, I mean, we know the quarterback

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Speaker 1: is going to be I mean I'd be shocked if

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Speaker 1: they don't go somewhere with the quarterback, Damiko Ryan with

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00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: a six year contract that should give him the comments

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Speaker 1: to go. No, yeah, I want the quarterback. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be here to develop it and be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: So I think those are the ones that probably jump off,

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Speaker 1: you know, out at me right off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, we got a lot of picks in

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Speaker 1: this year's draft class. So tell me about this draft

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Speaker 1: class as a whole. What what do you like about it?

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Speaker 1: Where is it sort of heavy? Where is it sort

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Speaker 1: of lacking? Just give me your overall perspective on twenty twenty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, first off, the quarterbacks, I'm like early stages, right,

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Speaker 1: I haven't like deep dive. I'm not ready to rank

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Speaker 1: them or anything, but I do think it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good class, maybe better than I was expecting. So that

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: would be the first thing. There's definitely some defensive ends

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Speaker 1: to go around, which should the Houston Texans should be

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Speaker 1: very happy about, you know, as far as the overall class. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean, I'm not trying to cop out. I

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00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: don't have a good enough feel yet myself. Right this

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Speaker 1: is I go here. I have a little base of

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Speaker 1: the stars, I've watched them, but like, when this is done,

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Speaker 1: this is when I will now dive into Like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: my bosses at NBC are gonna be like, all right,

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Speaker 1: tell us who's the best fast rust or who's the

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Speaker 1: best defensive tackle the best and I'll slowly start to

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Speaker 1: dive away. So I don't mean to cop out, but

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Speaker 1: I don't have great feel for it myself quite yet.

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Speaker 1: I like the honesty, all right, you do know some

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00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: of the players that are currently on the Texans roster,

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00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: so they're going to their second year, guys like Damian Pierce,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Peatree, Derek Seeley, Christian Harris. What have you thought

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Speaker 1: about those guys and what Nick Kasseri was able to

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Speaker 1: do with his draft class last year and what you

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Speaker 1: sort of expect from them this year. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm such a believer in Nick Kissario, first off, his

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Speaker 1: process and all that. And I mean Damian Pierce was

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the draft last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean I had friends in football where I was going,

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Speaker 1: you need the draft Damian Pierce like sledgehammer who can

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Speaker 1: make big plays. Like it's a rare combination, right. Jalen

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Speaker 1: Petrie's a guy that I think maybe exceeded my expectations

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00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: and a great job. I mean, playmaker, got great instincts

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Speaker 1: on the backside in the back end there tackles well,

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Speaker 1: got a knack for finding the ball right with the interceptions,

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Speaker 1: and then the linebacker, Um, oh my gosh. Let me

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Speaker 1: just say I think he towards the end of the

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00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: year started to pop to me about as much as

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Speaker 1: any young guy in the game. I mean, when you

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Speaker 1: talk about two three rockets up his butt, Like, I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, who is this guy? Who? I've never

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Speaker 1: heard that before. That's a regular phrase for me. But

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Speaker 1: there was just a few plays where I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: who is that guy that just flew through the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage or made that tackle? Oh my gosh, that's

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Speaker 1: Christian Harris. Okay, So yeah, there were some things there

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Speaker 1: that I really liked. All right. That being said, the Texans,

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00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: what do they need to do to get to that

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Speaker 1: next step? Start to dominate the AFC South once again? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think again. You know, like I said, the meat

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00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: and potatoes are there. Now it's the sizzle. It's sizzle time, right.

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Speaker 1: You got the corner last year in the draft. Now

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00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: it's some guys where, Hey, the game is too hard

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00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: to think the coaches are gonna coach it up right

842
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: every time we're gonna go for a twelve play, eighty

843
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: yard drive and score a touch. It's just too hard

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Speaker 1: to live like that. You gotta have some guys like

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00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: a Damian Pierce or a receiver who can, hey, catch

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Speaker 1: a slant run for forty yards, get a strip sack,

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00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: fumble of the offensive ball on the ten yard line right.

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Speaker 1: So to me, this is the year new coach time

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Speaker 1: up Tonight's Texans All Access Programs. So great to have

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