WEBVTT - Michael Johnston on Obsession, Bear's Dark Descent & that Alternate Ending 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:04.480 Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.559 me Tommy di Dario. One of the biggest movies of 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.479 the year is Obsession. It is shattering box office numbers 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.720 and even became the first movie since nineteen eighty two's 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.400 et to have bigger second and third weekends than the first. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.040 That is so hard to achieve, and it just goes 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.320 to show what a special film Obsession is. And today 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.240 I have one of the insanely talented stars on my show. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.720 Now you may know him as Bear, but in real 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.040 life he goes by Michael Johnston, and today he's answering 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.280 all of our burning questions. 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All right, let's 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.880 see if today we can get Michael to say something 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:17.200 that he has never said before. Michael Johnson, how are you, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:17.600 my man? 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:18.440 I'm doing great. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.760 I am psyched that you are here. It's weird to 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.560 see you in person because i feel like I've seen 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.039 you all over my social media for like a month 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.640 and a half NonStop. So I'm like, are you here? 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.160 I'm here. You know I'm here. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:34.320 I'm real, Okay, I'm not not that guy. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:36.479 That you've been seeing. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.120 Has that been a distinction you've had to make for 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.560 some fans? Yeah? 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:41.360 A few times. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.800 Really, No, It's been really fun, but there are definitely 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.520 some people that are kind of giving me that side eye, 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.120 like what's. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:48.760 To deal with this guy? 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:49.440 Yeah? 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.080 Man, I mean congrats on all of it, possession. I 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.720 just saw it surpassed now four hundred million. That's nuts, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.280 right on a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget. Yeah, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.040 like this little indie film that just blew up in 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.280 such a big way. Yeah. Was there any moment when 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.799 you were filming this where you thought like, could could 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.079 it turn into what it has? 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.079 I definitely try not to have those expectations when I'm 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:19.280 making a movie. But I would say no, I just 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.640 I we all knew that we were working on a 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.360 really special project, and you know, it was like, oh, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.040 this is really good. But I never imagined that we'd 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:34.120 get a theatrical release, let alone break all these records. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.480 So it's pretty it's pretty wild. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.240 I don't even know where it began. It's it's it's 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.520 one of those performances where you're like, wow, like you 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.320 you felt what you were going through. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.000 Oh yeah, I felt that your body doesn't know that 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.080 it's not real and this is kind of nuts. But 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.760 there's a there's a scene at the end. If you've 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:53.640 seen the film. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:54.360 We can do spoilers. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a scene at the end where 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.120 bears in the bathroom, and I saw this clip of 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.760 the composer Rocky talking about how like he could hear 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.000 my heart beating like on my mic and he was 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.639 kind of using that as like inspiration to the music 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.160 as he was composing it for that scene. But that's 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.680 just to say that when I was playing this character, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.720 I was really trying to go there. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.600 And felt it felt real. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.239 There were times where it'd be like cut and I'd 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.560 be like and I have to go and kind of 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.120 chill out and you know. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.680 Listen to some soothing music. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.600 Yeah. Yeah, I imagine the whole shoot, which was for how. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.680 Long it was a twenty day shoot? 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:37.560 Twenty day shoot? 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:38.280 Too short? 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.360 I mean, and you did that all in twenty days, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.120 which is crazy emotionally too. I mean, did you need 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:44.480 time to come down after that? 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:44.920 Yeah? 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.960 Well so the first so if we're four weeks, the 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.960 first two weeks of shooting were all in Bear's house. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.960 It's half the movie, so a lot of those scenes 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.320 are really super intense. So that was definitely the more intense. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.400 Week two weeks. So the first week. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.880 I kind of went in and you know, I'm doing 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.720 it all day, then you get home, and then you 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.000 then I'm learning my lines for the next day, and 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.320 so I'm pretty much don't get to turn it off. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.160 And I just thought, oh, no, this is good. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.160 I can do this. But it started to get it 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.360 started to kind of wear down on me. And I 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.719 remember this one time I walked by the mirror and 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:22.240 I just looked in the mirror and I just like 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.080 I looked like ten years older. Like I just felt like, oh, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:26.920 my God, and then. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.679 I'm like, oh wait, it's not none of this is real. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.640 Like I had to just remind myself. But I really 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.159 enjoy that whole process. Like I'm not I'm not going 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.640 method or anything, but I really do enjoy the process 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.039 of like kind of carrying it around. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.000 Yeah, but I'd love to do a romantic comedy next. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.000 Something a little lighter. Yeah. Yeah, you beat yourself up 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.120 enough for that, I think. So, I mean, I hope 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.559 you have a good self care practice after. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.880 I had to figure that out while we were shooting, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:58.440 and it was usually taking a bath or just eating 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.000 really good eating really good, clean food and finding my 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.880 like cashew ice cream. So I'm upset my tummy, but 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.599 I have my little things. But yeah, I had to 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.120 figure that out because it got it got dark. Meanwhile, 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.080 Indy she's you know, she's brilliant in the film, and 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:20.080 she's playing this crazy character of this intense performance, but 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.440 like she was having fun. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.760 She was just like laughing and having fun then. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.840 But you know, I find that when it's a more 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:34.039 kind of crazy, intense, big performance, it tends to it 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.840 tends to be more of a blast. But when you're 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:41.760 sort of like the one that's the audience's way in 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.679 like you're watching it through. Everything is about what Bear 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.680 is experiencing, Like when when you're carrying that, the weight 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.640 of that during the filming it in my experience, it it. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.480 Weighs on you a lot more emotionally. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.240 Yeah, but you know, I'm learning as I as I go. Oh, 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.160 I'm excited to play all kinds of different. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.240 Roles and yeah, yeah, you definitely can check horror off, but. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:07.200 I want to do more horror. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.599 I really like I think if I the next villain, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.880 I would like to be maybe not as understated, like 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.760 I want to be like that guy where you're like, oh, yeah, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.960 he's evil, no right away, but you know, I don't know. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:18.799 I'm open. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.840 Yeah, you'll have many options, I no doubt. Let's dive 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.960 into the movie for a minute. There's so many questions 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.880 I have. I guess to start, when Bear breaks the 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.760 one wish Willow, what do you think is the moment 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.480 that he realized something was wrong? Like when did it 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:35.640 really kick in for him? 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.440 Well, it's kind of hard to answer that question because 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.719 I think Bear lives in a constant state of denial. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.480 He's definitely if you're up on your attachment theory. He's avoidant, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.719 extremely avoidant, and I just don't think he has the 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.080 tools to well. He certainly can't take any kind of 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.960 responsibility for anything that he's done. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.480 That's just the kind of person that he is. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.200 So I would but I think, I think where in 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.640 the film does he realize maybe that something's wrong. I 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.880 would say, right away, he knows that there's something wrong 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.800 with Nikki, But where does he realize that, like. 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:18.120 Oh my god, what have I done? I don't know if. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.960 I don't know if it fully kicks in until the 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:25.120 middle of the film, and even when it does, it's 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.960 it's too hard for him to face it. So I'd 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.440 have to go back and watch again and see exactly where. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.320 But I have heard people debating on this. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.040 And kind of trying to figure out exactly what moment 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:36.360 it was. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.640 But all I can say is he certainly didn't think 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.720 that the wish was gonna work right. It was just 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.400 kind of like one of those things you think in 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.960 your head, like a thought. You never think, like, oh, 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.120 I'm just gonna say something and I'm alone in the car, 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.600 like I don't. You don't expect it, but it's you know, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.120 it's about what he did after. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.800 Right, right, And I mean watching you and Indie together 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.320 was it was thrilling to say the least. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:58.040 Yeah, I just. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.160 Never knew where it was gonna go. Yeah. Yeah, And 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.800 I know her facial expressions and her creepy smiling must 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.800 have been a little freaky on set for sure. But 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.280 was there something she like physically did where you were like, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.200 this is freaking me out? Yeah? 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:11.080 A few times, yeah, you know. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.560 I mean, of course, I'd read the script and I 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.680 knew mostly what was coming, but we workshop things on 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.360 the day and they Curry the director, Curry Barker, and 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.400 Indy would often leave the room and go work on 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.880 it and then come back and I'd be like, what's. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.040 Up, guys, what are we doing? 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.000 And they'd be like, you'll see. So I just had 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.360 to be present and be in the moment. But you know, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:35.120 she threw some awesome stuff my way and we had fun. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.559 She's the best scene partner. It's cool because in the 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.120 beginning of the film, when Bear first mixed the wish, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.800 there was a lot of conversation about like how sudden 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.160 is the turn, and we sort of thought about kind 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.120 of trying to make it really subtle, but then we 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.080 try to take where it's like, oh no, she switches immediately, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.280 and we knew that was it right away. There was 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.600 a moment, I think because we shot that on there 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.480 was a moment where we huddled together after a take 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.319 and I remember currying being like, guys, this. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.440 Movie's gonna work. You know, it's just crazy. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.559 Yeah, yeah, oh my god, how fun. That must have 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.280 been exhausting but fun. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.360 Yeah, but you know it was everything. It was exactly 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.520 you know, it was a challenge. Every movie is a 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.720 kind of a miracle, right, So we were all putting 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:29.640 together this complicated puzzle and take the talent and you know, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.320 hard work and luck and plenty of things that were 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.480 out of our control to kind of feel like we 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.520 just kind of caught lightning in a bottle with this, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.000 you know, yeah, this whole this whole thing. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.160 You know, we made a great film. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.600 But also it came out at the perfect time, you know, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.840 like Focused Features got it, Like they did an incredible 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.920 job with the marketing, Like shout out to the marketing campaign. 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:51.239 It was brilliant. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.640 So yeah, I mean, I'm just so I'm so grateful 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.120 to get to do that. Yeah, you know, yeah, it's 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.319 a it's a it's a dream come true. It still 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.079 doesn't feel real. It's very like what is. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.000 Happening right well? 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.559 People coming up to me and stuff in public. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.360 Like, yeah, it's also new, it's also different. It's it's 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.120 but it's deserved. Like I said, the performances were so great. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.960 You're pretty you're pretty adamant that Bear is a villain? Right? 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.280 Did you? Did you always feel that way? No? His journey. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.199 Here's the thing. This is really funny because. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.160 There's a clip on the internet of like of a 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.200 Q and A or something at one of the movie 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.040 theaters and someone asked me, you know. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.440 Is he the villain? And I'm sort of like, I 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:37.760 can't say yes or no. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.360 And then, you know, that ruffled some feathers because really, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.800 if you looking at it objectively, like, yeah, of course 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.439 he makes some horrific decisions, and so that would. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.480 Be classified as a villain. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.200 But you know, one, I would sleep deprived because we 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.160 just did our press junket. But two, what I realized 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.560 is after I've watched the film a few more times, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.120 it kind of opened my eyes to like the process, Like, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.280 when I'm playing Bear, I'm not thinking about whether or 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.320 not he's a villain, like, it's not my job to 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:06.280 judge the character. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.440 That's all up to the audience and the script and 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:09.920 the director. The director. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.160 For me, I have to actually be really careful not 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.920 to put any judgment on what he's doing, because my 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:22.480 job is only to bring humanity to his experience and. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.920 Make it real and believe it. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:29.200 And most villains don't think that they're villains, right, So 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.880 I feel like, in my experience as an actor, you 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.640 are really protective of your characters that you're playing because 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.439 you're living in their head. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:38.440 You know, I didn't want to. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.680 I don't I'm not playing Bear and thinking, wow, I'm 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.839 really a piece of shit, Like that wouldn't be fun. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.400 So but you know, so after that I kind of realized. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.679 I'm like, I'm watching that clip and I'm like, well, no, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.600 he's the villain. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:53.280 I think that. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:58.120 I just I didn't want to judge him while I 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.480 was playing him because I'm sitting there trying to literally 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.800 justify everything that he's doing. And the way that that 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.680 kind of looked was in my opinion, Bear kind of 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:13.319 has this tunnel vision and all he sees is what 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.719 he wants, which is this girl, because he thinks that 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.400 the idea of her is going to fix all the 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.240 problems in his life, or at least make it so 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.080 that he doesn't have to feel all the pain, because 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.280 look at the film, he's like, he's like popping pills 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.280 that belonged to his grandmother who recently passed away. He's 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.720 lost his pet, he's very lonely. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.560 Like you know, I think. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.480 He's just like a sad little boy. You know, we 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.559 don't really get to see a lot of what happened 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.480 in their lives before, so I had to kind of 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.920 come up with these ideas of what his life must 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:45.440 have looked like. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:46.600 And I don't think. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.200 Bear ever wanted anyone to get hurt. He didn't intend 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.600 to do anything bad. He didn't want his friend to 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.040 be suffering. But I think that one pivotal moment in 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.480 the film where he's sort of like, you know, what's 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.960 so bad about being with me? Like, yeah, it's very villainous. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.240 But I think even in that moment, at least, the 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.560 way that I played it and the way that it 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.280 kind of the way that I had to justify the 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.000 action came from a place of like, Okay, well, this 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.920 guy thinks he's like in such a deep hole that 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.160 there's just that there's no one watching, there's no one 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.840 to be He's not going to be held accountable, and 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.400 that is awful, it's truly awful. But when I'm in 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:30.680 Bear's head, I'm sort of just kind of, Yeah, he's 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:31.880 only thinking about himself. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.680 It's awful. It's really selfish. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.640 But he's not thinking like, oh, I want you to suffer. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:43.040 It's just he's a flawed guy. So yeah, if that 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.360 kind of makes sense. It's like, I just to be 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.560 able to play this character because I would never do 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.599 the things that he's doing. I would never it's awful, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.920 but he doesn't see it that way. That's what I 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:55.760 loved about the script. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:56.400 When I read it. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.320 I was so excited that it didn't turn out to 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.320 have that sort of redemption arc, because I think that's 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.040 kind of a what do you call it, like a 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.800 trope it So it happens a lot. It's like, we 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.680 redeem our characters. We want to go home feeling nice 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:10.880 and warm and fuzzy inside. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.280 None of this film, no way. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:23.600 Oh no, there's nothing mormon fuzzy, not at all. But 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.880 it's it's it's captivating, and it's not how I thought 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.560 it would end, which is what I appreciated. Truly. I'm like, 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.320 oh wow, I didn't see that coming. I thought that 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:33.280 was really really cool. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:33.560 You know. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.080 One of the most debated questions I feel like that 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:41.040 I keep seeing is did Nikky ever at one point 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:42.360 truly love Bear. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.800 That's a great question, And I never even asked myself 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.120 that until way after we were done shooting, Like in 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.200 my mind, like playing like again with that tunnel vision 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.240 where I have to play Bear. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:53.680 My answer was. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.720 Always no way, she's going to reject me. That's how 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.720 he lives his life. That's he There's no way he 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:03.200 doesn't have confidence. Actually, then looking back and then hearing 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.280 from the actor and the director's perspective, they were both like, yeah, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.960 she was kind of like dropping a couple hints. But 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.720 then I think what happened in that same like following 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.960 moment in that same scene was that she kind of 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.480 like was turned off by his utter lack of confidence, 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.400 Like she like threw him the ball, like here's your opening, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.080 tell me how you feel. And when he kind of 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.400 didn't do it, she's like whatever, Like, but Indy told 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.280 me that she she played it even a little bit disappointed, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.080 So you know, if he would have just like, that's 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.560 the lesson, just like tell him how you feel, right, Yeah, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.240 but then we wouldn't have this movie right, and we 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.960 wouldn't have all these arguments right. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.960 And also it's so human to feel something for someone 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:44.960 and not say anything. I feel like we've all been 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:45.480 there before. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.720 Oh yeah, absolutely, I was reliving a moment when I 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:51.280 did that. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:52.080 Yeah. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.160 Yeah, no, it felt very real, you know. And also 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.160 like the movie's really funny too. I didn't know it 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.960 was going to be funny like that. That was all 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.560 on the editing. We played everything very straight straightforward with Bear. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.760 I was watching the movie for the first time in 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.520 the theater with all these people and they're laughing. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.560 I felt embarrassed. I was like, geez, why you. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.080 Thought they were laughing at your performance? 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.160 No, no, Like I didn't realize how awkward. Well, I 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.400 knew it was awkward in the moment, but I didn't 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:28.120 realize that that awkward tension would often translate into huge laughs, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.160 Like I just I had no idea. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.960 I was sort of in my mind. 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.320 I think I was sort of playing like very serious, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 like everything that's happening is very very serious to Bear. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:43.000 Yeah, right, but you know, Curry is editing his comedy background. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.640 It was brilliant. Yeah, I love it. I'm glad. I'm 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.520 glad that they found the balance of the humor because 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:49.400 the movie's dark. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.360 Yeah. Yeah, no, I feel we needed that. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:52.360 We needed that. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.320 Yeah, well, because you played it so straight during the 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.720 entire duration of the filming and you didn't add in 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.800 that humor purposefully. Right. Was there a scene or moment 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.800 where you and Indie kept breaking like oh that you 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.800 were just laughing so hard and you're like, wait, we 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.119 got to get our shit together. Come on, what moment 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:09.560 was that? 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:14.040 Oh? Man? I mean there were so many moments. I mean, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:15.240 I would say that. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:22.240 With Horror, the scary moments, they're very technical, and you know, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.400 it's not dark, it's pretty lit when you're shooting it. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.800 They do that all in the editing, and you don't 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.320 hear the music and you know the so it doesn't 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.280 really tend to feel scary. It kind of feels really silly. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.800 And in those really technical moments, the scary moments, you 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.560 are fully having to trust the director like is this 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.080 really scary? Is this really working? You just have to 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.920 trust that they know what they're doing and just kind 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.960 of be their puppet like do exactly, okay, move yourhead, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:56.200 do this okay. Sure, So I think that for example, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.200 the head smashing scene in the car, I just remember 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.399 we were cracking. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.560 Up, especially Indy. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.600 Indy had this like helmet on with a wig because 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:11.200 she actually like smashed through the glass and we were 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.439 all like wearing the wig and passing it around and 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.880 like dancing around. I'm sure there's like videos on TikTok 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.439 of it that that and oh yeah, and then a 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.040 lot of the scary like I remember there's a scene 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.840 that's where she says like I'm your freaking Nikki and 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.159 smiles at me and the like near the kitchen or something. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.000 And the first time I saw. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:34.639 That, I went, oh, And I remember Curry was like, Michael, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.680 shut up, like because I. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.119 Was ruining the the take because I justly got this 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.560 visceral reaction out of me. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.320 But and then you know, we're laughing. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.720 But we the whole time we were laughing, And it's 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.840