WEBVTT - Part Two: Buford Pusser: The Worst Sheriff Ever

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<v Speaker 1>Also Media, Harry everyone Robert Evans here and on Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>and we're back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>bad people, the worst ones in all of history. This

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<v Speaker 1>is tart two of our series on Buford Pusser, the

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<v Speaker 1>man whose family could not give their kids normal names.

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<v Speaker 1>To save their lives. Also, he committed a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>horrible crimes and killed people. Back as my guest.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan O'Brien, Hello, thank you for having me. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>no depths to my appetite for Pusser.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's right, I just love Pusser. Beauford. I'm agnostic

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<v Speaker 1>on Have you ever met a Buford? Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>a single Buford?

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<v Speaker 2>The only this is not a person that I know,

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<v Speaker 2>the only time I've ever heard that name was Benjamin

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<v Speaker 2>Buford Blue, the full name of Bubba from Forrest Gump.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I didn't remember that was Bubba's.

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<v Speaker 2>Person, I know, but yeah, that's the only other instance

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<v Speaker 2>of that name I've ever heard anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. Yeah, I know that. I'm actually looking up the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the shaf from Smoking the Band Yeah, Buford

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<v Speaker 1>t Justice is the sheriff of Smokey and the bandit Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is probably the first time I heard

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<v Speaker 1>that name and did not realize that it was. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was came out in seventy seven, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely named after Buford. Pusser because Walking Doll came out

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<v Speaker 1>in seventy three, kind of a more accurate parody of

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<v Speaker 1>Buford Pusser as opposed to the version in Walking TLL

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<v Speaker 1>that's basically a hero.

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<v Speaker 3>The cool sheriff guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, speaking of those movies, if you've watched any

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<v Speaker 1>of the Walking Tall movies, you're probably aware as I've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that he was. Buford was mostly famous for using

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<v Speaker 1>a large stick or a bat or piece of wood

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<v Speaker 1>to beat up gangsters. The original poster, which Sophie's going

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<v Speaker 1>the show, for those of you watching the video version,

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<v Speaker 1>is just it looks like he's just holding like a log,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a trimmed log, like a log someone has

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<v Speaker 1>processed to be nice firewood, like it's had the bark

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<v Speaker 1>shaved off at everything. But it does just look like

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<v Speaker 1>a log.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he kind of looks like if Javier Bardem was

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<v Speaker 4>also a zombie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's how the illustrated Yeah, Buford and Walking

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<v Speaker 1>in the poster looks. And then, of course the tagline

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<v Speaker 1>of the original movie, the measure of a man is

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<v Speaker 1>how tall he walks? What does that mean? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you mean that like, the taller you are, the better

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<v Speaker 1>you are. What is what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's somewhere between literal and poetic, right where like you

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<v Speaker 2>would measure.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess the measure of a man, yes, is.

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<v Speaker 1>How you literally, Yes, you can measure a man by

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<v Speaker 1>how tally is. But I don't think like you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about the man necessarily, especially since like the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that a man can walk tall, being six foot six, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that's less impressive. Like if he was a short

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<v Speaker 1>man who had like his personality, you know, or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, Like he walked tall, that's something. But just

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<v Speaker 1>being like, yeah, you know, this giant guy, he sure was.

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<v Speaker 4>Tall, that's just Napoleon Robert, right.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're going literal, it's very boring and there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>more to say about it. You're saying that the tallness

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<v Speaker 2>is the tallness. If they're going poetic. They also don't

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<v Speaker 2>do a good enough job defining what walking tall means,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it means you beat in a man half to

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<v Speaker 1>death with lumber?

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<v Speaker 3>He walks the most tall?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I guess so, But that's not really

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<v Speaker 1>a point in his favor. He just happened to be big.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The more recent reboot featuring The Rock, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>loose adaptation of the original movie that was not explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>based on the life of Buford. Pusster shows the rock carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting the differences between these. Instead of carrying like

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<v Speaker 1>a trimmed log, he's carrying what looks just like a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of like construction timber. Yes, yeah, yeah, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>he's just gotten his hand there. And the tagline there

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<v Speaker 1>is one man will stand up for What's right, which

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<v Speaker 1>is at least a better tagline than the first movie had,

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<v Speaker 1>and it notes that it's inspired by a true story,

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<v Speaker 1>which it wasn't. Yeah, as we'll discuss today, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>whole myth. As I noted about him using a large

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<v Speaker 1>piece of wood to fight crime, started when Buford hit

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<v Speaker 1>Wo Hathcock Junior in the school with a fence post.

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<v Speaker 1>Buford's daughter noted in her book Walking On, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of other times when Daddy would find use

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<v Speaker 1>for a sizeable piece of lumber when going up against

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys, but as often as not he went in

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<v Speaker 1>bare handed, or maybe would grab something more like a switch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's usually all that was necessary. But his first retaliation

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<v Speaker 1>against the State Line mob was personal and it did

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<v Speaker 1>indeed require a fence post.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's okay, that's so interesting. To describe a

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<v Speaker 2>mob fight as personal.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all personal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people are trying to kill you. It feels very personal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is funny to me that she's like, there were

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of times where he'd find a big piece

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<v Speaker 1>of lumber to fight people with. That was like a

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<v Speaker 1>thing he did so Normally, the State Line Gang was

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<v Speaker 1>not the kind of group who would settle a problem

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<v Speaker 1>by calling in the police because they were a mafia.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this case, Buford and his friends had committed

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<v Speaker 1>straight up felony assault against somebody. So Hathcock Junior pressed charges,

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<v Speaker 1>and Buford was arrested with his buddies and extradited to Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>They were charged with assault with a tent to commit

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<v Speaker 1>murder and armed robbery, both of which are probably accurate

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of what they'd done. Bufert's daughter doesn't write that

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<v Speaker 1>he robbed Hathcock Junior, but it sounds like he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wouldn't be surprised if, well, they took my

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<v Speaker 1>money that I gambled away, so I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>whatever's in his wallet, right like I really did. It

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<v Speaker 1>does sound like he actually also just robbed the guy again,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than this being he was so upset at all

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<v Speaker 1>the crime he had to fight against these gangsters. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, he beat a man after death and

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<v Speaker 1>took his money.

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<v Speaker 2>He lost money at a casino and got beat up

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<v Speaker 2>and then wanted to rectify that specific situation for himself

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<v Speaker 2>ten days after his wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>It needs to be repeated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right after the wedding. Yeah. So Buford and his

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<v Speaker 1>friends they get extradited, but they don't wind up getting

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<v Speaker 1>convicted because again, he's got that, like you said, he's

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<v Speaker 1>got that cop brain for when he's committing violent crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he made sure to set up an alibi for

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<v Speaker 1>himself and his buddies before they went out to attack

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<v Speaker 1>Hathcock Junior, and their defense hinged on the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they worked at a factory together in Chicago, and they'd

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<v Speaker 1>all filled out time cards and there were time cards

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<v Speaker 1>for all three men that showed them working on the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the assault, and then they just had like

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<v Speaker 1>a friend fake the time cards so they could go

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<v Speaker 1>out and beat that guy. And Duanna Pusser writes about

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<v Speaker 1>this in her book About Her Dad and again describes

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<v Speaker 1>it as like a lighthearted prank as opposed to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>like consciously trying to evade the law while committing felonies. Quotemeditated, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very premeditated. Yes. As it turns out, having a friend

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<v Speaker 1>clock their time cards for them while they were gone

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<v Speaker 1>proved to be a stroke of really smart planning by

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy and his friends. That's one way to describe a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal conspiracy. Yeah, a stroke of really smart planning.

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<v Speaker 2>God, it's like one of my favorite planners, the Zodiac Killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great at planning. In a stroke of very smart planning,

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<v Speaker 1>he cut the body up into forty pieces and threw

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<v Speaker 1>it in a river. So once the trial ended, Beauford

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<v Speaker 1>and his new wife, Pauline, returned to Chicago, where he

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<v Speaker 1>started attending a mortuary school to get a proper degree.

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<v Speaker 1>So he decides to try to make this a career still,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's kind of like working at a factory. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to mortuary school at night, and then on the

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<v Speaker 1>weekends he starts wrestling. He becomes a pro wrestler as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to pick up extra money. Now, Buford was

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<v Speaker 1>good enough that he caught the eye of Jerry Lawler,

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<v Speaker 1>the wrestling icon who later helped The Rock get started,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a weird direct an action between the two men.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry the King Lawler, Yeah, yeah, Lawler was reportedly a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of Buford Puster, or like a fan of his

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<v Speaker 1>when he was a wrestler.

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<v Speaker 3>That's I mean, there you go.

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<v Speaker 4>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's a behind the Bastards on Jerry the King Lawler,

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be the one episode that I skiw because I

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<v Speaker 2>love him too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any evidence of him doing anything bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't. I don't actually have proof that he

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<v Speaker 1>actually was a fan of Buford. He's reported reputed to

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<v Speaker 1>have been a fan of Buford, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe that was a lie.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's also not entirely like he was a huge dude.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see him being decent at wrestling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that said, he's not wildly successful and he does

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<v Speaker 1>not become a national name. This is never going to

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<v Speaker 1>be anything that makes becomes a career for him, but

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<v Speaker 1>it does teach him some lessons that will be useful

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<v Speaker 1>in his later crimes. As of nineteen fifty eight, it

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<v Speaker 1>was still mostly a weekend gig. He does do some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good size performances, his largest being he wrestles at

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<v Speaker 1>an event at Comiski Park in Chicago, in front of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven thousand people. So, like, you know, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>a nobody here. You know, that's not nothing. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>there's just not a I wish there was more detail

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<v Speaker 1>about his wrestling career. Basically, the only real documentation we

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<v Speaker 1>have of it is a nineteen seventy article that Buford

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<v Speaker 1>wrote after he got famous, for an issue of the

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<v Speaker 1>men's adventure magazine True Detective. So again not great journalistic

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<v Speaker 1>reputation True Detective Magazine. But in that article he claims

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<v Speaker 1>that the hardest match of his wrestling career was in

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<v Speaker 1>Union City, Tennessee, against a guy named Big Bill Crockett.

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<v Speaker 1>They both wrestled the night before in Jackson, and Buford

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten a nashty gash on his forehead during that fight,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when they fight again the next fight, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna continue here from Buford's article. When the referee called

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<v Speaker 1>us out to shake hands in Union City, he hauled

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<v Speaker 1>off and hit me with his fist, busted open the

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<v Speaker 1>cut in the night before. When he hit me the

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<v Speaker 1>second night, that's when the fight come off. We didn't wrestle,

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<v Speaker 1>we just fought. It was a little makeshift ring and

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<v Speaker 1>we tore it down. The referee stopped us, got some

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<v Speaker 1>canvas and lumber and patched it up. Then we fought

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<v Speaker 1>some more and tore it down again. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how I'd got home that night if I hadn't had

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<v Speaker 1>a wrestler named Billy Daniels to drive for me. Both

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<v Speaker 1>eyes were swollen shut, my hands were so sore, my

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<v Speaker 1>fingers got stiff like claws. I was stiff as a

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<v Speaker 1>board for days. It was along then that I decided

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<v Speaker 1>to give up wrestling, So that'll be basically his only

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<v Speaker 1>rational decision in life.

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that makes him a bad professional wrestler.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably fair, Okay, good, Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think when you lose your temper enough that you have

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<v Speaker 1>an actual fight and destroy the ring twice. Although I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to see that fight, Like I bet that

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<v Speaker 1>was a hell of a thing to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, gosh, whether this is an embellishment or not,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really good, legitimate pro wrestling bit. It to

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<v Speaker 2>fight so bad that the ring breaks and then they

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild the ring, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That's excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a good wrestling bit. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the last things that Bufford and Pauline would do in

0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Chicago before they moved back to Adamsville was have their

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<v Speaker 1>first child, Dwana, On's January ninth of nineteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>And it almost immediately after that happens they moved back

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<v Speaker 1>to Adamsville. And I want to quote now from an

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<v Speaker 1>article by the McNairy Historical Society. His dad, Carl was

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<v Speaker 1>chief of police in Adamsville. He was retiring and encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>Bufford to apply for his job. After a vote from

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<v Speaker 1>the city board, Buford was made chief of police. Thus

0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:45.000
<v Speaker 1>began his law enforcement career. Now that's a that seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it's leaving out a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>He was made chief of police.

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<v Speaker 1>He was made chief of police right and the way

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<v Speaker 1>Dwana describes it, they had to beg him to be

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<v Speaker 1>the chief of police, Like he really didn't want it

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to force it on him. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot that we just don't have here, the little bitty

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<v Speaker 1>details around the edges that get left out that I

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to find paint to kind of a

0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.600
<v Speaker 1>darker picture. So, among other things, this is back during

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<v Speaker 1>a time when small town law enforcement was less of

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<v Speaker 1>like a career track and more like a gig you

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<v Speaker 1>could fall into by accident, right, Like, if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a county and like the sheriff is like an elected

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<v Speaker 1>position and you're just a popular guy, you might wind

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<v Speaker 1>up being the sheriff, even if like that wasn't your ambition,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But also there's a lot of money being

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<v Speaker 1>the sheriff in a town that has organized crime in it,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of this. I can't say this for certain,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really heavily suspect based on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things I've read that his dad, Carl was crooked and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pass on the job as police chief to

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<v Speaker 1>his son so that the money from being crooked cops

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<v Speaker 1>in this mafia town could continue to stay in the family. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He becomes the police chief after he's horribly injured in

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<v Speaker 1>a car accident. There's a lot of car accidents in

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<v Speaker 1>this story. In a second car no no, no, this

0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is his dad totally separate car. So his dad becomes

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<v Speaker 1>the chief of police after he gets too hurt to

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<v Speaker 1>work in a pipeline, which is also weird, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>does the job for just a few years and then

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<v Speaker 1>decides he's too hurt, and he pushes for his son

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<v Speaker 1>to take the job. Now, given the reality of crime

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<v Speaker 1>at the time in McNairy County, this was not an

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<v Speaker 1>easy job enforcing the law near the state line, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was made harder by the fact that everyone whose

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<v Speaker 1>job was to enforce the law in the area was,

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<v Speaker 1>as best as I can tell, also incredibly corrupt, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one was really all that interested in enforcing the law,

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<v Speaker 1>including Buford. The McNairy County sheriff worked with the state

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<v Speaker 1>Line Gang to ensure that alcohol kept getting smuggled into

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<v Speaker 1>the county. And as soon as he became the police chief, Buford,

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<v Speaker 1>the way he would describe things as like he set

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<v Speaker 1>himself against these corrupt cops to like fight for justice

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<v Speaker 1>and fight against the mafia. The way I interpret it

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<v Speaker 1>and what I think the body of evidence suggests now

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<v Speaker 1>is he was just kind of trying to edge these

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<v Speaker 1>other law enforcement guys out of the racket, right because

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<v Speaker 1>they were all getting cuts and he wanted more money

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<v Speaker 1>for himself. Because as soon as he becomes the police chief,

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<v Speaker 1>he runs for constable, and he wins a narrow victory's

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<v Speaker 1>constable in nineteen sixty two, and after that he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to immediately like set his sights on becoming the sheriff. So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what he's doing here is he's getting rid of the competition.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to make himself the only lawman in town,

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<v Speaker 1>in part because then the cut only gets split one way.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, kind of laying out exactly what happened here

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<v Speaker 1>is hard because most of what was written during this

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<v Speaker 1>time period was written from the perspective that, like Buford,

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<v Speaker 1>Pusser was a hero who was going on a crusade

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<v Speaker 1>against the whiskey trade. That's how Michael Birdwell describes what

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<v Speaker 1>he does for the Tennessee Encyclopedia as like a crusade,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this was a like a almost like a holy

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<v Speaker 1>war that he was waging against bootleggers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Those are always good, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we love a good holy war. Yeah. No one's

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<v Speaker 1>ever done one of those with an ulterior motive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime someone has committed to something that they've described as

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<v Speaker 2>a crusade, my immediate thought was like, well, that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like they're clear ride and level headed about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like you're saying and reasonable and pursuing

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<v Speaker 1>this reasonably.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, modern evidence suggests that he was perfectly happy taking

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<v Speaker 1>money from bootlegging and that his issue was both specifically

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<v Speaker 1>with the State Lion Gang because they had beef, and

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that like he wanted more of the

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<v Speaker 1>money that was coming in from these illegal businesses, right,

0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:46.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than he had an issue with the businesses in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. So that's why he would go after people, right,

0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.680
<v Speaker 1>He was effectively starting to make people pay protection. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>first as the police chief and then is the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, we do know that the ever corruption between

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<v Speaker 1>area law enforcement and the State Line Gang is certainly

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<v Speaker 1>a lot broader than even just the stories Bufford would tell. Like,

0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.439
<v Speaker 1>there is out He's not the only guy saying that,

0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.640
<v Speaker 1>like the sheriff when he became police chief was crooked.

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<v Speaker 1>There's evidence for this outside of Beauford. The book Mississippi

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<v Speaker 1>Moonshine Politics is a great anecdote about Louise Hathcock that

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<v Speaker 1>really sells how locked down the State Line Gang had

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<v Speaker 1>things with the cops before Buford got into the mix.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>After one particular raid on the forty five grill, a

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<v Speaker 1>deputy sheriff arrived early one morning at the Halfcock home

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<v Speaker 1>in Corinth to arrest Luis on liquor charges. Since Louise

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<v Speaker 1>was still in her bathrobe, she asked the deputy to

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<v Speaker 1>wait well, she changed into her work clothes, fixed her hair,

0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.879
<v Speaker 1>and applied some makeup. Oddly, the deputy agreed. Once she

0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.960
<v Speaker 1>was dressed for work at the roadhouse, the deputy allowed

0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Luis to drive to the sheriff's office in her own vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>Once Louis arrived, she quickly posted a five hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>bail and made it to work before the lunch crowd arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's just you're paying a bribe on your

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<v Speaker 1>way to work to the cops.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this woman so so much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a shame what happens to her, because she's very

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of things that depress me, not going to ads.

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<v Speaker 1>Every moment of my life is agony, outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>brief periods of time in which products and services are

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<v Speaker 1>being advertised. On this podcast, we're back and my long

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:27.360
<v Speaker 1>nightmare continues.

0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:28.200
<v Speaker 3>Tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pusser is going to run for sheriff. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he becomes the police chief, he becomes the constable, and

0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:38.639
<v Speaker 1>the next thing he's going to do is he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to get that crooked McNairy County Sheriff out so that

0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.239
<v Speaker 1>he can continue his crusade against Moonshine slash take all

0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of the money for himself. Now, he made some interesting

0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.280
<v Speaker 1>decisions when he started this run, the weirdest of which

0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.119
<v Speaker 1>is that he chose to run as a Republican in

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.520
<v Speaker 1>what was then a Democratic stronghold. This should have been

0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.760
<v Speaker 1>more of a problem for him, but he got lucky

0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.320
<v Speaker 1>because his rival, the incumbent Sheriff James Dickie, died in

0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a horrible car accident part way through the election, clearing

0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Bufford an easy path to victory. Now, man, did Bufford

0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.400
<v Speaker 1>have anything to do with that car accident?

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<v Speaker 2>And I can I just just on behalf of the

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.679
<v Speaker 2>audience without any jokes or frills, just say that, yes,

0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you're Dicky and Pusser.

0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Dickie is the name. It was Dicky v.

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Pusser, and Dickie was pulverized and cleared a path or

0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Pusser to snatch this victory.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Yeah, that's that's the story of Dicky v. Pusser. Yeah, proceed,

0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.440
<v Speaker 1>And again we know Buford is willing to kill people

0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.639
<v Speaker 1>in stage assassinations to get what he wanted. Like this

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.639
<v Speaker 1>is me speculating. I just wouldn't be shocked if he

0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.520
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with Dickie's death. That said, this

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.680
<v Speaker 1>is like the fourth car accident that we've talked about

0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.879
<v Speaker 1>in these episodes, So you also have to acknowledge it

0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.680
<v Speaker 1>was the sixties. Everyone was drunk and nobody had c else, right,

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.840
<v Speaker 1>So people just die in cars a lot back then.

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.800
<v Speaker 1>So as soon as he gets elected Sheriff, Pusser began

0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>an immediate spree of high profile raids against State Line

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Gang properties. Local papers reported that he bust into gambling

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.600
<v Speaker 1>dens carrying a pickaxe and use it to destroy tables

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and roulette wheels. In his first year on the job,

0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.480
<v Speaker 1>he is said to have rated forty two stills and

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.800
<v Speaker 1>arrested almost twice as many moonshiners. So he's going on

0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.399
<v Speaker 1>like a rampage here, right, Like as soon as he

0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>gets in and he get like the news picks up

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 1>on this, like he gets famous for the way he's

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.919
<v Speaker 1>doing this, because he sometimes he's calling reporters along so

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 1>they can see him busting up stuff with a pickaxe

0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.240
<v Speaker 1>or a stick. Now, by this point, the State Line

0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Gang that he's declared war against has undergone a change

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.400
<v Speaker 1>of leadership. Luis had decided to end her twenty year

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.639
<v Speaker 1>partnership in marriage with Jack Hathcock, because in nineteen fifty

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.760
<v Speaker 1>seven she'd fallen in love with a different criminal figure,

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.240
<v Speaker 1>a lieutenant from one of the most powerful gangs in

0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the area, the Dixie Mafia.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that yeah, yeah, enter John Fullcock.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be that would be pretty funny if she'd

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 1>fallen for John Folcock. No, she keeps going by Hathcock,

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 1>by the way, after she does what she does, which

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.360
<v Speaker 1>is interesting to me, But that's the story we're telling now.

0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So the Dixie Mafia where she falls for this guy's

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>lieutenant there is based out of the Strip, which is

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:26.040
<v Speaker 1>this neighborhood in Biloxie that's basically Mississippi's answer to Las Vegas.

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Edward Humes, the author of a book called Mississippi Mud

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>that's on the Dixie Mafia, describes the Strip as the

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.800
<v Speaker 1>cancerous heart of Biloxie, and given the rest of Biloxie,

0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that's really saying something if you've ever been to that

0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:43.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking town. Per his description, the Dixie Mafia was started

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.640
<v Speaker 1>by a lot of guys you might call rejects from

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 1>East Coast organized crime. Like it was initially a bunch

0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.800
<v Speaker 1>of guys who got in too much trouble in night

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 1>like New York or Jersey and had to flee to

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.879
<v Speaker 1>the middle of nowhere so they wouldn't get off. Like

0:21:55.960 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of who founds the Dixie Mafia. Yeah, so

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.359
<v Speaker 1>these are these are both tough guys and also maybe

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.959
<v Speaker 1>not quite the top of the game, right because they

0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 1>had to flee to Biloxi.

0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, it's oops, Alfredo's It's not gonna get any

0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.360
<v Speaker 2>of the cream of the crop there.

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.119
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, these guys are like, yeah, the dudes

0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.840
<v Speaker 1>who My alternative to moving here was to get murdered.

0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 1>So Louise Halfcock, the guy she falls for, is named

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<v Speaker 1>Carl White and he's nicknamed Towhead, a Tallahatchie boy. Yeah,

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Carl Towhead White.

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<v Speaker 3>In these episodes, the names.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some great names.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're with us.

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 4>You're just like, you're just throwing fake names just to

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<v Speaker 4>see if.

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<v Speaker 1>We catch I was I was worried when we went

0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.359
<v Speaker 1>from Pusser's and dickies and half cocks to a white

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, boring name, but then nicknamed Towhead. We're back

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 1>in the game, baby, ye Yeah. Toehead was a Talahatchie

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 1>boy and gangster who had risen to the highest levels

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Dixie mafia. And yeah, Louise falls in love

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>with this guy, and so she's got to split up

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 1>with Jack. Now, she does file for divorce, but that's

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.920
<v Speaker 1>just step one because Jack, like everyone else in the story,

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>is a murderous gangster, and Louise and Carl know just

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>divorcing him isn't going to be quite enough, right, Like,

0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that's not really an option with this kind of crime.

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Marriage.

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Author Janis Tracy summarizes the rest of the story of

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Janis and Luis read like a B movie script. Luise

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.439
<v Speaker 1>divorce Jack, Towhead, and Luis conspired to murder Jack, and

0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Towhead shot and killed Jack in a motel room where

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.919
<v Speaker 1>he was enticed by his wife. Luise convinced authority she

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>had shot Jack and self defense, and showed bruises to

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>authorities that she had allowed Towhead to inflict on her body.

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Although Luis was charged with killing Jack and self defense,

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>it was no surprise when the charges later were dismissed.

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Luis and Towhead continued their off and on relationship, at

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.800
<v Speaker 1>least when Towhead was in town. The couple never married

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.640
<v Speaker 1>in part because Louis saw through Towhead's often obvious attempts

0:23:57.640 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 1>to gain control of her money and her business operation.

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.199
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this is a smart, tough lay orchestrates the

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.679
<v Speaker 1>murder of her husband and then keeps her boyfriend at

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>arm's lengths because she's like, look, man, I like you

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and thanks for help with the murder, but like, you're

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 1>not gonna own my businesses, Like, that's that's my stuff,

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I put up with this guy for twenty years.

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not giving out my business.

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's such a bummer that this was the past.

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>If she had waited a few more decades before being alive,

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>she'd have been a very powerful figure Governmentstely.

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, she could have. She might have been

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>able to win the presidency. Right, She's got that kind

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of ruthlessness and organizational school and apparently a very good cook,

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole package. Really, Yeah, if you don't mind getting

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 1>murdered maybe, which I've had worse things happen in relationships.

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>So and this is another crucial dimension to the Beeford

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 1>poster story because by the time he declares his war

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>on the State Line Gang, their most prominent leader is

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a woman. Right, and it may just be the case

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>that why Buford starts going after them is less because

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he hates crime and he's got this vendetta, and more

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>he thinks they're weak because a woman's in charge, and

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>he can take over control of the business, right or

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.439
<v Speaker 1>at least get a better deal, you know, if somebody

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.119
<v Speaker 1>else winds up in charge, or if he doesn't have

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>to like right, he sees weakness here. I think that's

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>why he does what he does, whatever the case. In

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>late nineteen sixty four, Luis's gang strikes back. Buford was

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 1>ambushed by an unknown number of questionably competent assassins who

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 1>stab him seven times and then leave him for dead.

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>They don't take any effort to confirm that he's dead.

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Buford survives, and this obviously makes him famous, right like that,

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>There's this law man who's he's been doing all these

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 1>very showy raids, cracking down on bootleggers and you know,

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.160
<v Speaker 1>organized crime in the area, and then he gets ambushed

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and stabbed repeatedly and he manages to survive and continue

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 1>attacking the mob. Know he's becoming a hero. At this point.

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 1>The news is covering him like that, And did this

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>really he was definitely stabbed a bunch of times. Was

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it an assassination attempt? Or is this something because he's

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>later going to injure himself as part of like a

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.439
<v Speaker 1>faked assassination attempt, and so it kind of this is

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>probably real because they definitely the State Line Gang had

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a reason to But I can't not doubt it now, right,

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>For all.

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>We know, he just got tangled up with so many

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking volleyball nets again, like, oh no, down.

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Seven down. Yeah, we found him tangled, covered in blood,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 1>tangled in seven volleyball and that's what happened, Bufort. They

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>tried to kill me. It was the mob again, it

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>was the mob. It was the State Line Mob. But

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Beuford does like the thing he's best at is he's

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>very good at nursing this growing mythos around himself. Right,

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.159
<v Speaker 1>He gives a lot of interviews. He likes talking to

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 1>the press. He's good at working the media such as

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>it is in his era, and he really likes the

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 1>image of himself as this badass, log wielding juggernaut of justice.

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>So he starts making a point that when he realizes, oh,

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things that is really playing well

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>with the audience. He starts carrying a hickory stick whenever

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 1>he goes to on raids to bust Moonshine stills, so

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the press sees him with it, right, Even though it's

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 1>not really useful for anything, it's part of his legend

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.959
<v Speaker 1>at this point. In nineteen sixty six, he launches his

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>most ambitious arrest yet. He takes a squad of deputies

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>to the Shamrock Hotel, which is the center of the

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Halfcock criminal empire. The official story is that during the arrest,

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Luise pulls a gun and Buford shoots her dead in

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 1>self defense. Luis's family will insist up to the present

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>day that she was shot in the back and thus

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>probably not a self defense case. He just murdered her, right, Yeah,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>and again, I think that's pretty credible that said. Luis

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely is not the kind of person who wouldn't pull

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>a gun on a law man, right. I just think

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>she was probably too smart to have tried to do that.

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Then I think it's likelier that he murdered her.

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the woman shrewd enough to keep her

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 2>financials intact, and the woman shrewd enough to like let

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>me get changed to put on my makeup and drive

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>myself to post my own bail before I go to work. Yeah,

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I think she is also shrewd enough to not shoot

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 2>the famous hero cop that everyone talks about.

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I think's there with all of his cops in a

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>daylight raid. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel too.

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's something very sad about within the criminal underworld.

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Obviously this is like a brutal These are brutal, violent,

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>dangerous people. But within that world and its rules, she

0:28:54.840 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>is able to succeed and survive, and taking her out

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>requires someone the only kind of person who doesn't have

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>to abide by any sort of rule, which is a sheriff, right,

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the reality of law enforcement then and now.

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>But like sheriffs have such a degree of autonomy and power.

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>And when Beauford says, oh, yeah, she pulled a gun

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>on me, so I had to shoot her, it doesn't

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>matter that she was shot in the back, Like no

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>one else's version of events is going to carry water here.

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.479
<v Speaker 1>And it's just it's so unfair, Like if you were

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>playing by the same rule as Luis was playing, you

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>never would have won Buford, right.

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, just such a coward's way to win this war, right,

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and like probably set back women's rights at least in

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>crime a couple of decades from.

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Women's crime rights. Yes, yeah, it took decades for them

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to recover. Yeah, I was trying to remember a famous

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>lady mafioso, but actually they mostly were in Most of

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the ones I know were from like the sixties seventies,

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Like that lady who invented murdering people using motorcycles.

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 3>That's cool.

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did a bTB on her at one point

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>she was great. So yeah, Buford's people write the official reports,

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>and so his version of events here is the one

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that history accepted. People who are only now starting to

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>really like question it on a white although I should

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>point out the Halfcock family has four decades been saying like, no,

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>he totally murdered her, right, Yeah, people just didn't listen

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to them because they were famous. Crisis of course. Now,

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>over the next couple of years, Buford expanded his war

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>on crime across the state line and even into territory

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>operated by the Dixie Mafia. His legend grew with him.

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>The Buford Pusser Museum lists his greatest hits and a

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>bulleted list that I am sure is largely inaccurate, but

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 1>it gives you an idea of how people talk about,

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 1>like the legends that's grown up about this guy. So

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>here's the their bulleted list of his accomplishments. Shot eight times,

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>knife seven times, fought off six minute once, sending three

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to jail and three to the hospital, destroyed eighty seven

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>whiskey stills in nineteen sixty five alone, killed two people

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>in self defense, hopped on the hood of a speeding car,

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>smashed the window, and subdued the man who had tried

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to run over him.

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now, could be a little bit of truth in that.

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's fair to say that he killing me

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to contact with a car and its window.

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Right. We know that he was stabbed several times. Who

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>did the stabbing?

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Was it him?

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Was at other people? Probably a mix. He was shot

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>several times. At least one of those times he shot himself.

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Were the other times people shooting him? Or did he like?

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Who knows? He may have fought six minute once, although

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I kind of doubt it, but he was a really

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>big guy.

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it depends on the definite definition of fighting.

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I would believe that he like a crowd of guys

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>were around him and he starts hitting, took took a

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 2>stick out and spun in a circle real fast the

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 2>way I think that's viable.

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Or he got angry and he started beating on

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>some guys and they were like, well, that is literally

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff, So we probably can't really fight back here.

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 3>We're not allowed to kill him.

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>His deputies have guns pointed at us. Maybe we just

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>take the beating. Perhaps that's likelier. That said, no one

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>doubts that Buford got into a lot of gunfights and

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>basically every other kind of fight under the sun. The

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>more recent allegations do suggest that he killed more than

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>two people, and probably not any of them in self

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 1>defense and what we would call self defense, and modern

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>evidence also suggests heavily that he personally profited from his

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>crime busting work, and maybe what he was doing was

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>less a one man more on crime than demanding protection

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>money and busting operations who wouldn't pay him. So this

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>next part of the Buford posters story is by far

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the most debated. First, I'm going to give you the

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>story that almost definitely didn't happen. But this is what

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>everyone believed had happened for decades. Right. This is the

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>story that's like the basis for the climactic events of

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the movie Walking Tall. Right. Okay, And according to that story,

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>despite Bufford being basically an unkillable law god Toehad, White decides,

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take this guy down from murdering my girlfriend.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Luis right, that's the story that toe Head is just

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to get vengeance for his dead lover. So

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>White who was known to the FBI as one of

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the top hoods in the Southeast, which I think just

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>means top gangsters and not the other thing a hood

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>might mean in the rural South. He was furious and

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>still grieving over the loss of his lover in nineteen

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>sixty six, and he decides to get Buford assassinated. He

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>has strong connections to another Dixie Mafia figure, a guy

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>named Kirksey mcnord nicks junior. So toe Head White again

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>not a normal name in this episode.

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Kirksy mgnord nicks junior.

0:33:56.120 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Kirksey mcnord nicks junior. Yes, Kirksey. Now, the reason

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>why White needs Kirksy is that White is behind bars

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>at this point, he's gotten locked up for one of

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>his many crimes. While it, Nix is free and allegedly

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the center of a gang of hitman and hired muscle.

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 1>So Nix is kind of like the guy in the

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Dixie Mafia that you call if you need some wet

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>work done, right, he'll ice a motherfucker for you. So,

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>from prison, Toehead is alleged to have orchestrated an assassination attempt,

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>using Nix to do the on the groundwork Nixon his

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>hired goons, So we know that Nix visits the Shamrock

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Hotel the day before. On August eleventh, the day before,

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff Pusser receives a phone call from an anonymous caller

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>who tells him there's a couple of drunks going at

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>it out on the edge of town. Someone's gonna get killed.

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>So an anonymous caller calls the station and reports these

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>drunk guys are like fighting and the police need to

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>break it up otherwise someone's going to die, right, and

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>they give a location to Sheriff Pusser, who promises to

0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 1>drive out and take care of it in the law

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>established by Pusser. After this point, his wife Pauline wasn't

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>just a good life partner. She was also moderately involved

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 1>in his business as sheriff and regularly rode along on

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>calls with him. This is what he claims that she

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 1>loved to go with him as he was fighting crime.

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>She was as write or die, and she decides at

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the last minute, as he's heading out to bust up

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>this fight between these drunks, to come along with him.

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>So the couple hits the road a little after four

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>am on August twelfth, nineteen sixty seven. For a summary

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>of what happened next from an article on al dot com,

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>his wife, Pauline, a thirty three year old mother of three,

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>insisted on going with him, and they listened to an

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>eight track cassette. He said, we were discussing a vacation

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we were planning to take to Florida the next day.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Beauford Pusser told The Tennessee in a nineteen sixty nine

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>after they passed New Hope Methodist Church, he claimed a

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>car pulled up alongside his Plymouth and someone inside fired

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a thirty caliber carbine rifle into his vehicle. I knew

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Pauline was hit. Pusser told the newspaper. I cradled Pauline's

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.839
<v Speaker 1>headed my lap and prayed over and over again, Oh God,

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>don't let her die, he told the report. Or He

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>never returned fire from the shotgun or handgun by his side,

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and instead drove several miles, waiting until he thought he

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>escaped the ambushers to pull over. He then claimed the

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>car again pulled up to his and someone fired at

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>him at point blank range. I felt my face getting

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 1>torn off, my head, Pusser said. My chin was hanging

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>on my chest. I don't see how I lived. So

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.879
<v Speaker 1>that's the story he gives. And this is the story

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>that makes him famous. Right now. You might have noticed

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of sketchy things there, right, Yeah. First off,

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's describing, well, we got shot first

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and my wife was hit, and then I drove and

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought I had gotten away from them, and then

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>later they came up and shot me. Well, what are

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 1>you establishing that my injuries and my wife's injuries didn't

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>happen simultaneously, right right? And that there's multiple locations involved

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 1>in the shooting.

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>And I get that he's a law man, but what

0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 2>are you're stopping at lights? What do you mean that

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>caught up to you and shot you again when you

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>were a step and beautiful.

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Bleeding to death or whatever?

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, you didn't go straight to a hospital? Like what

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>was your plan there?

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Now?

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>As far as the injuries Buford got, both he and

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>his wife were shot with a thirty caliber.

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's technically a rifle or a carbine, right,

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And most of the articles will describe it as like

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>these is high velocity rounds. But in terms of ballistics,

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 1>a thirty caliber is not like a big bullet, right,

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 1>It's closer to like a nine millimeter handgun round than,

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>for example, like a five five six the round that

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you is fired by an AR fifteen normally, right. And

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I bring this up not for gun nerding purposes, but

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>because it explains how he could survive being shot in

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>the face, right, Because people often have that question when

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>they hear about this, is like, oh, well, how could

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 1>he how could he? Number one? How could he have

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>survived being shot in the face? And also how could

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>he have faked something as serious as being shot in

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the face? Well, because he was shooting himself in a

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 1>place and with a bullet that was survived, right, Okay,

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the reason I'm bringing that up.

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>The only parts of this initial story that have proven

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 1>accurate with time is that Pauline Poster was shot and

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>killed and Buford was shot but not killed, right like,

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Those are the only two things that definitely happened. Everything

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>else about the story that Beauford told to authorities when

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>he was found and nursed back to health has been

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>shown to have been a lie. No one in law

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>enforcement seriously questioned the heroic sheriff's version of events. He

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>started to claim after he recovered that informants he had

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>inside the Dixie Mafia and the State Line Mob had

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>brought him word that Nix and White had orchestrated the shooting.

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>And they also these informants brought him the name of

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>like three other guys who had been the goons who

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>took part in the actual assassination attempt. Now, he never

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>provided any evidence of this, nor did he ever produce

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 1>an actual live informant who was willing to go on

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the record. And this is the other really suspend thing

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that should have been suspicious at the time. No charges

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>are ever filed in Pauline's murder against anyone, even though

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the sheriff is saying, I have an informant telling me

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it's these guys. No one ever pushes charges like nobody ever. Yeah, which,

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>oh that seems suspicious. You know, all of this should

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>have caused suspicion at the time, but it didn't, and

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 1>it didn't for a couple of interesting reasons. Now, the

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>reality of the story and what we're pretty sure at

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 1>this point happened, is that Buford Pusser murdered his own

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>wife and then covered up the murder by faking an

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>assassination attempt. He shot himself right after he shot and

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>killed his wife. Now, there were rumors that this had

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>happened immediately afterwards, right like that. It was kind of

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I think people would whisper about in Adamsville right that, Like,

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I believe Buford's story. I don't

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 1>know if I think that like this is exactly what happened,

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't. The kind of thing like this was

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>always like a matter for either like local gossip or

0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 1>independent investigators, And there were through the years, there's a

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>couple of independent investigators who got interested in the Buford

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Puster myth. One of them published a book trying to

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>like basically arguing years before the most recent round of

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>investigations that Buford had probably murdered his wife. So there

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>were people pointing this out earlier, but it wasn't until

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation agreed to reopen the case

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two that things started to really change publicly. Now,

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the reopening of the cold case of Pauline's Puster's murder

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>was publicized, and once they started being articles out that like, oh,

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>they're looking into this famous assassination attempt. The TBI received

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 1>a tip about the murder weapon, which had been sold

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>years later and wound up in the hands of someone

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>who had tracked it back to its original owner and

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>was willing to give it over to the TBI. So

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 1>they look at the gun. They analyze the gun, and

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>they conclude, based on physical evidence from the crime scene,

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>that Pauline was likely shot and killed outside of the

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>vehicle and then placed inside after death and driven to

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a second location where Pusser wounded himself and then radioed

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 1>for help. One investigator concluded, this appears to be a

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 1>domestic violence homicide rather than this notion that they were

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>ambushed in the middle of the night in the middle

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere in nineteen sixty seven with no street lights.

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this forensic evidence is incredibly helpful, and broadly speaking,

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty pro innocent until proven guilty.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 3>If a wife dies and the town is saying.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 5>I bet the husband did it, I don't think history

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 5>like that generally, the town being lockstep in their suspicion,

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 5>it's like, yeah, he probably did that.

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Shit, I think I think old Buford killed his wife.

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Buford comes home with a dead wife and a scratch

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>out his face, and everyone's immediately like, oh shit, finally

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>did it.

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, what are you going to call out the

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>guy who murders people who annoy him, the man who

0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 1>shot his grandpa with the twelve gage for a fun right?

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Nah, the mafia killed my wife, man, Sure, Sheriff, that's crazy.

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:06.799
<v Speaker 3>That sucks.

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that definitely sounds real. Sheriff for sure.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.839
<v Speaker 3>Also feels pretty case closed. Man, I'm not gonna ask

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 3>any questions.

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Please just stay away

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>from my house. Look I got shot too, Nah, No, totally.

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's crazy that you got out of that alive.

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 3>That mafia must really hate you.

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:32.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The mafia dead it, huh. So the case gets

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>reopened by the TBI in twenty twenty two, and then

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four they feel like they've got enough

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 1>evidence to justify exuming Pauline and actually doing like a

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>second autopsy, and upon re examining her body, they find

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>evidence of several serious injuries consistent with domestic violence, including

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>a pre death nasal fracture that had been in the

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 1>process of healing when she was killed. In other words,

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Buford had broken his wife's nose days before actually murdering her.

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And you'll never guess, a week before the assassinate, the

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>mafia punched my wife.

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's crazy, right to our house and punched us

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>straight in the nose. Can you believe it? Classic mafia stuff. Now,

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.959
<v Speaker 1>as we've talked about, there a couple of reasons why

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:18.320
<v Speaker 1>there's not any like serious like at the professional like

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>like public level, no one really questions the story at first, right, yea.

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.760
<v Speaker 1>And first off, the most obvious reason is that Buford

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>is so grievously wounded in the attack that people just

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't think he could have inflicted the injuries on himself

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>based on and this is crucial his description of the

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>injuries he suffered. In the book Mississippi Moonshine Politics, Jenny's

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Tracy describes him as having quote the lower half of

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>his face virtually shot off. Now, Janie is a good writer,

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 1>and this is a good book, but she's based that

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>line entirely off of Buford's testimony to police, which I

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.240
<v Speaker 1>quoted earlier, right where he's like, I can't believe I survived.

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 1>My jaw was basically hanging onto my chest right now.

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Beauford himself relied heavily on the supposed severity of his

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 1>own injury to explain away lingering questions about what happened

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that night. In a nineteen sixty nine interview, he insisted,

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I loved my wife. I'd have been pretty damn stupid

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 1>to blow my own jaw off. And it's here I

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 1>will remind you. Beauford Pusser was a pro wrestler. He

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>had made a living pretending to suffer serious injuries and

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>even faking injuries for the entertainment of a crowd. District

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>attorney Mark Davidson, who has been intimately involved with the

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>reexamination of the case, told al dot Com our theory

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 1>is he put a pistol inside his cheek and pulled

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the trigger and created a flesh wound. And this would

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 1>have been easy for Buford because as a result of

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 1>his wrestling career, the left side of his face was

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>numb because he'd gotten seriously injured a number of it

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 1>resided that of the car accidents, but he didn't have

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>feeling in that side of his face that he shot himself.

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>And this is a pro tip for all of the

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 1>listeners out there, if you ever need to fake a

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>grievous injury, shooting through your own cheek creates a hitten

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>looking wound that is unlikely to kill you or even

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>all that seriously injure you. Right, Like, it's not nothing,

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>but like, if you've gotta if you've got a fake

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 1>an assassination attempt, shoot yourself in the cheek. That's all

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Actually, I think they're pretty It's pretty easy

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 1>to tell when you've fired the bullet from inside of

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>your mouth. But you know, if you if you're in

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 1>a pinch, maybe try shooting yourself in the cheek.

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Or now, Evans, Evans, is it just to fake assassination attempts?

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Or if I wanted to scare but not kill something,

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 2>or if your listener wanted to scare but not sure someone,

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 2>would you also recommend shooting your enemies in the cheek?

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 1>That is the official stance in this podcast of iHeartRadio, uh,

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and of our sponsors, all of whom are very pro

0:45:48.920 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>shooting people in the cheek as a bit. And we're back. Yeah. Well, Sophie,

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 1>apparently we're allowed to say whatever we want about our

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 1>sponsors because it has not been a problem for us yet.

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would think. I think, I think it's good. Yeah,

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if my desk is made of real wood.

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll see.

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 2>I believe, I believe it is.

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 4>I ordered it.

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Sick.

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I got in trouble for loudly sighing

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 2>during one of our podcast reads that I'm contractually obligated

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 2>to do and then uh, they no longer came back

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 2>to us. Whatever that fucking dog food company that made

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>my dog eat crickets and get diarrhea.

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, oh, Chewi is it chewy?

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:39.399
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>This was chew chew?

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Alright?

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Maye? I think may no, no, no, no, no, I'll think

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 3>of it. I'll think of it because I'm not allowed

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 3>to say it.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pull a Buford pusser, you know, mave send

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:54.839
<v Speaker 1>us some money if you want us to cut out

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.959
<v Speaker 1>this part of the show where Dan accuses your food

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of giving his dog diarrhea. You know, well, we're basically

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>holding up for protection money Jimminy's.

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 2>It's Jimminy's dog for it's called Jimmy's.

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't sound if you want this, if you.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Want this all cut out of the episode, Jimminy's, send

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.760
<v Speaker 1>us some cash. You know, I can be bought.

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 2>It's easy to remember because it's it's called Jimney's because

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the food is made of cricket meat.

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I've heard

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:22.879
<v Speaker 1>good things about me, Yeah, no, May is good.

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Jimminy's is the one I'm not allowed to say on

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 3>our podcast anymore.

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I will say all of them are good or bad,

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>depending on who pays me money. You know, that's my promise.

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what I have to say to Jimminy's. Everybody

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:36.319
<v Speaker 1>just like what about it?

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Like a nice group sigh, just like a Jimmy's.

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 1>So, speaking of eating crickets, Beauford Poster probably not eating

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>crickets for a while after he shoots himself in the face,

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but otherwise he's more or less okay, right, And I

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 1>think it's interesting and this is something the DA Davidson,

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:01.879
<v Speaker 1>just attorney Mark Davidson, who's one of the guys who's

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>been doing this like reopen the cold case, specifically points

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 1>to his wrestling career as like, well, look, this is

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a guy with experience selling a fake injury to a

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 1>crowd like this is exactly in his wheelhouse quote. It

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>was not the debilitating wound many seemed to believe it was.

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 1>It healed up pretty well. People say he got his

0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>face blowed off. Nobody believes he did that to himself.

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 1>That's not accurate. So he just didn't have that serious

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 1>an injury, and he lied about it a lot. He

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and the media was like, well, it looks like he

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>got hit in the face. Sounds serious to me, you know,

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and just kind of reported what he was saying as

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>if it was the truth. And that's how the legend grew,

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:45.359
<v Speaker 1>which is great. So this all brings the question, why

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>would Buford Pusster murder his wife? Now, yeah, right, you

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>do want to ask that, right, motive matters. Unfortunately, I

0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think we're ever going to get a perfect satisfying

0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.520
<v Speaker 1>answer because of how long ago this was and how

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>dead basically everyone involved was there are And you know

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.839
<v Speaker 1>I talked earlier there was that that this guy Mike

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Elam who was a former Benton County sheriff who started

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.399
<v Speaker 1>his career in law enforcement as like a huge fan

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.400
<v Speaker 1>of Buford Pusser, and then basically through trying to like

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>recreate the crime scene, like traveling to where the crimes

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.319
<v Speaker 1>that he started to notice inconsistencies with Buford's story and

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>what had happened. And he's he's one of these guys.

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>He writes a book about it. He self publishes a

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 1>book in like two thousand and four about it. So

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>he's one of the early guys trying to make noise

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 1>about how what a froud this dude was.

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and puss Truther, an early.

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Pusser Truther, right, Yeah, Yeah, he's I'm trying to find

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a way to bring Dickie back into it, but it

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't work. But yeah, he's a he's a Pusser Truther.

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>And uh, based on his research, one possibility as to

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>why Pusser had his wife murdered. Is that he was

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>just a garden of a variety abusive spouse, right and

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe and also he's a giant, so he's huge and

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.840
<v Speaker 1>very strong, and he gets drunk one night and he

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:08.240
<v Speaker 1>kills his wife by accident, or he kills his wife

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.720
<v Speaker 1>in a moment of passion and then has to fake

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the assassination attempt, right, like it's a thing he has

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to come up with, kind of suddenly, that's possible, Elam.

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Elam's personal theory is that Buford was actually involved himself

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>in the illegal moonshine trade, and as I've mused earlier

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in these episodes, was probably taking cuts of a number

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of different illegal businesses going on in the county. And

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Elam thinks Buford had Pauline murdered because she knew what

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 1>he was up to, and maybe they had a fight

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and she threatened to tell everyone, right, Like, it's kind

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of unclear, or maybe she wasn't initially aware and became

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 1>aware and then he had to do it. We don't

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.800
<v Speaker 1>really know. Per an article in the Nashew, tennesseean quote,

0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Elam says he believes Bufford Pusser killed her to prevent

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>her from speaking to authorities.

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 1>If he Buford Pusser took someone's life to keep his secret,

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>what kind of hero was he? Elam said, And I

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 1>think the answer is not a hero at all, but

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe a generational talent itself. Branding. He's very good at that.

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 1>And probably what happens is this, he has to come

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:14.360
<v Speaker 1>up with this fake assassination attempt kind of quickly because

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>he's killed his wife. But once people buy that, he

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>has to lean into this larger than life hero figure,

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and he just keeps kind of upping the ante on

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the stories he's telling because, in part, continuing to get

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 1>away with it means continuing to sell people on the

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 1>belief that he is the guy he's claiming to be right,

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this larger than life hero who's survived all these impossible

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.719
<v Speaker 1>brushes with death. And if he makes this calculation right,

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 1>it pays off perfectly. And the wake of the murder,

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Buford Pusser's story spread across the country about as fast

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>as a story could spread in those pre internet days.

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Countless news articles celebrated the sheriff as the ideal lawman,

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>tough as nails and willing to fight crime even if

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 1>he had, even if he had to break the rules

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Beauford was smart enough to know that

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:00.799
<v Speaker 1>he had to sell what he does by acting as

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 1>a greeting husband, and so he vowed public vengeance against

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the men he had accused of the assassination attempt. Carl

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>tow Head White was shot dead the next year, and

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>rumor had it that Pusser had hired an assassin to

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>do the job. Two other men he accused of partaking

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>in the murder, George McGann and Gary McDaniel, were shot

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 1>dead in Texas the next year. Nix goes to prison

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 1>at this point, so he doesn't get assassinated. But the

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 1>fact that these three guys who he has publicly named

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 1>but not charged with any crime, die in very quick succession,

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people suspect maybe he orchestrated these deaths. Right, Yeah,

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe he had these guys killed. And it's it's a

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:44.240
<v Speaker 1>sign of like where things are culturally and how much rope,

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>how much slack we're willing to give cops in this

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>country that the average assumption of like a normal person

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee is like, well, he definitely had three guys murdered,

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>But it's fine, they killed his wife, so like, I

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 1>get it. You know, that's cool. You know, sometimes you

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.359
<v Speaker 1>got to break the law to uphold the law. Why

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 1>couldn't he have these guys arrested. I don't know, but

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it's fine.

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's actually a surprising to me if he's going

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 2>to if we're okay with him bending the law, which

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 2>it seems like we are, I don't know why he

0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 2>would hire an assassin and why he wouldn't kill those

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 2>guys himself. Like, if people are going, we don't know,

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 2>accept the fact that he hired assassines.

0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's gonna steer.

0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Into this image of the reckless above the law man.

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it's against the rules for him

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:43.240
<v Speaker 2>to like kill kill them himself, no head white himself.

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I may not not to give him ideas.

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that is that is like, and it's did

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>he have something? Did he kill some of these guys himself?

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Did he hire people to like? We don't really And

0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 1>it's also possible, I think unlikely but not impossible, just

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 1>given these guys are all criminals who are in a

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.359
<v Speaker 1>violent business. Maybe they just happened to most to three

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.840
<v Speaker 1>of them died in a year or so after this crime.

0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Not the most shocking thing in the world, right.

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 2>The only stable things that I feel like we can

0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 2>say is that he did him that sick child proof

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:22.279
<v Speaker 2>teddy bear, and he definitely killed his wife. Those are

0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the ones that I feel most comfortable.

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I've quoted several times from the book Mississippi

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Moonshine Politics by Janis Tracy because it's a good book

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.359
<v Speaker 1>in general about a lot of characters at the edge

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>of this story. But Tracy bought into Buford's lie, and

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that it's useful. The way she did is

0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 1>useful because it does kind of explain how people thought,

0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>like why people bought into this at the time. And

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>this is how Janis explains why none of the people

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that he charged, that he named as having tried to

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 1>kill him and killing his wife actually got charged with crimes.

0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Quote this suited Pusser. However, he preferred a more personal revenge.

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.279
<v Speaker 1>And that is like the official story that people buy

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:07.479
<v Speaker 1>is that like, yeah, he didn't have him charged because

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:09.759
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to have a murdered personally, Like he wanted

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 1>to do this personally, And we're okay with that. Out

0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of our lawmen and tennessee this is fine.

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 3>We like that. We like that.

0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 1>In America, this guy's a hero. And that's the most

0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:22.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing about the story to me. There was always

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>evidence that Buford was suss and a fraud, but Americans

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 1>in and outside of law enforcement were happy to ignore

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>it because the story version of buford poster was so

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 1>good and it matched exactly with the kind of tale

0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that Hollywood had primed audiences to expect.

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:37.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy one, W. R. Morris wrote a book

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>about Buford titled The twelfth of August, which is the

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>day that he and his wife were targeted by that

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.920
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote assassination attempt. This is the book that was

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>ultimately adapted into nineteen seventy three's Walking Tall, which became

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>a surprise hit and rocketed Buford to the level of

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 1>a national celebrity. The studio sent him on a tour

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.480
<v Speaker 1>around the country and Europe to do promotional work for

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the film. He starts making celebrity friends. He's publicly buddies

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 1>with Johnny Cash. There's a fucking uh, what's his name,

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:13.879
<v Speaker 1>the Margheritaville guy. Uh. Jimmy Buffett writes a song about

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>him and has a story about Buford like basically assaulting

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:21.359
<v Speaker 1>him and his friends. So he gets famous, and in

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.799
<v Speaker 1>fact he becomes such a public figure in his own

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:28.400
<v Speaker 1>right that after the smash surprise success of the movie

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Walking Tall, the production company Bing Crosby Productions, decides to

0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>make a sequel and they ask Buford to play himself.

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to do an Audie Murphy with him, right,

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and the new movie would just be titled Buford and

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.279
<v Speaker 1>would be based entirely, presumably on his exploits as a

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:47.040
<v Speaker 1>grief stricken sheriff out to murder the criminals who killed

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 1>his wife. It's a shame we never got to see

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 1>this movie because I am really curious what direction would

0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>they have gone vis a vis all of the murders,

0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. Right as his fame sets off, Bufford's takes

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.280
<v Speaker 1>questions from fans, including one who asked him how people

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>in his home county treated him after he became famous.

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:10.680
<v Speaker 1>And the answer he gave to the newspaper in this

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:12.520
<v Speaker 1>when he's doing this Q and a is really interesting

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 1>to me. I'd say about eighty percent of the people

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>in McNairy County are proud of me at least they

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 1>say they are. But there's a handful that never liked

0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 1>me and still don't. They resisted every step of my

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 1>campaign to clean up the corruption, and they have nothing

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 1>good to say about me. Now, it's not that these

0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>people like crooks, it's that I think they consider me

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 1>too big for my breeches. There's one man in the

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>county I won't mention names who's always bad mouth in me.

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:34.720
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons for that, I think is because

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 1>when I was sheriff, I was always after him for

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>passing bad checks. But that's life. No matter what you do,

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you can never make friends with everybody.

0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Man, that guy's fucking dead.

0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Beat him to death with a stick. Now it's hard

0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 1>for me to say how much of McNairy County thought

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>this guy was legitimately a hero and how many people

0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 1>were aware like, nah, there's something fucked up at the

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 1>center of that story. I did find an art article

0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 1>in al dot Com that notes quote Davidson said during

0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the investigation he often heard from those who believed Pusser

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 1>murdered Pauline and wanted him to tell the truth. In

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>McNairy County, especially, everybody knew that's what happened. Nobody ever

0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 1>believed the Walking Tall story. They knew he was a

0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>bad guy, and you know, Davidson's the DA who's digging

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>up and reopening the case. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>totally accurate or totally accurate to how people would have

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<v Speaker 1>felt back in the seventies, but will I have founded

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of other quotes to that extent that basically like, yeah,

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:35.080
<v Speaker 1>in his hometown, people kind of knew, but also he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the biggest thing that ever happened in this county, right,

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:40.960
<v Speaker 1>So at the same time, you have to embrace it

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't have there's not any other reason people

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<v Speaker 1>are heading to mcnery for tourism, right, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>the water tower in Adamsville has a silhouette of Buford

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<v Speaker 1>with his trademark big stick. There's a museum for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the town Historical Society of the county

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<v Speaker 1>Historical Society's largely dedicated to him, right, Like it's Walking

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<v Speaker 1>Tall and Walking Tall related tourism are still kind of

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<v Speaker 1>two of the bigger things in that county.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, yeah, I mean yeah, people will add

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.919
<v Speaker 2>twenty miles onto a road trip to see a giant chair.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to imagine what we'll do for a big, fucking

0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 2>massive mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>People with a stick in this county, Let's go see

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the water tower. Right, Beuford spent the rest of his

0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:21.920
<v Speaker 1>life dining out on the lie that he told to

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 1>cover up for murdering his wife. He spent his last

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 1>year's jet setting around the world and making a lot

0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 1>of money. When he died, he was worth an estimated

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollars, which is a lot more money back then,

0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and more money than a guy who was briefly sheriff

0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:41.680
<v Speaker 1>for six years would have accumulated. Honestly. Right, He did

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 1>fail to win reelection in nineteen seventy, which is interesting

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:47.240
<v Speaker 1>to me, so that is kind of more evidence for

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<v Speaker 1>thee Local people knew this guy was full of shit,

0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 1>but that was before Walking Tall came out. So who

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:54.960
<v Speaker 1>knows how his law enforcement career would have gone if

0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 1>he'd tried to run for election after becoming a celebrity.

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Had he lived longer, he also might have slipped up

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<v Speaker 1>or behaved in such a way as to draw more

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<v Speaker 1>attention back to that alleged assassination attempt. I have trouble

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<v Speaker 1>imagining this guy living a lot longer and not killing

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<v Speaker 1>someone else, but he doesn't get the chance at the

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<v Speaker 1>height of his fame. Right after siin a in agreement

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<v Speaker 1>to play himself. In the sequel to Walking Tall, he's

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<v Speaker 1>driving back from Memphis to Adamsville and he crashes his

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<v Speaker 1>sports car and dies on August twenty first, nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in his like mid thirties, and that's the Buford

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<v Speaker 1>Pusser story.

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<v Speaker 3>Man crashing his sports car.

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<v Speaker 2>What a wo awesome way for murderer to die.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very appropriate for this guy, being the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dude he is. That's like, yeap sports car crash

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<v Speaker 1>right at the end. Yeah, that's that's how this story ends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so lame. The fucking fake grieving sheriff who's

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<v Speaker 2>on his way to Hollywood and buys a sports car

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<v Speaker 2>and then he dies and the entire town is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, honestly, dodge there, that's the best.

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<v Speaker 2>What about cool?

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<v Speaker 4>If he got killed by a big stick?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, impaled by a stick?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe he did. Maybe he crashed into a tree, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my head. Cannon impaled by a stick after crashing

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<v Speaker 1>his car into a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Or like the the cane of that sickly bear all

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<v Speaker 2>grown up.

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<v Speaker 3>M just glad that this guy's dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Yeah. That's the good part is he does die,

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<v Speaker 1>and he does die very early.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a couple of things that are I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of tragedy in this story. The fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he for sure murdered his wife enough that like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was talking about it, and his daughter still becomes

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<v Speaker 2>his biggest evangelist.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an added layer of tragedy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like when I in the beginning in the first episode,

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<v Speaker 2>when I kind of understood her hero worship, because you

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<v Speaker 2>if you have the opportunity to write Dad's story and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to embellish a bit and like take all

1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:07.960
<v Speaker 2>of his tall tales as gospel, there's something endearing about that.

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<v Speaker 3>But she must have also known the many.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumors in the open secret that he for sure murdered

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<v Speaker 2>her mother, yeah, and decided to ignore that or not

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<v Speaker 2>buy into it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's like there's I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, maybe that's stockholm or brainwashing or whatever else,

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<v Speaker 2>but that like that makes it much less endearing and

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<v Speaker 2>charming and more tragic for her in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree. And there's also I mean, there's also

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<v Speaker 1>the darker question of like I mean or was this

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<v Speaker 1>an act for her too, and was she just like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of money in being Buford Puster's family.

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<v Speaker 1>That walking tall money keeps coming in. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think that's probably less likely than just

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<v Speaker 1>this is a daughter who hero worshiped her dad who

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<v Speaker 1>died very early. But yeah, it is it. It did

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<v Speaker 1>give me a lot of fun detail on growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifties, which sounded like a fucking nightmare.

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<v Speaker 3>So easy to do crime, but so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>So much more dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, especially if you were a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if you were a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>So, oh my god, if you want to do crime

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<v Speaker 2>then and now, Yeah, cop is the way to.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a cop. Number one. You can get away with

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<v Speaker 1>prank shooting your grandpa with a shotgun if you're a cop, apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great training for for for really pranking your wife

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere down the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh he sure got Pauline.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't see that coming at all. Prank the whole town.

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<v Speaker 1>Classic Buford Pusser prank, murdering his wife and staging it

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<v Speaker 1>as an assassination attempt by the mob, like That's the

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<v Speaker 1>funny thing. I came in here with a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>detail on these different like organized criminal groups, and then

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<v Speaker 1>as I the more researcher did them, more was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys barely did anything to it. Like maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>had him stabbed, maybe he got some fights, but he

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<v Speaker 1>could have faked a lot more of that, Like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This mafia was running four successful businesses and maybe were

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<v Speaker 2>cutting corners. Well, they had to pay off the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed to cover all those financial losses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I don't know. There's a fun quote from

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<v Speaker 1>the DA that Davidson that I've quoted from a few

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<v Speaker 1>times where he's like, I don't know, we probably won't

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<v Speaker 1>reinvestigate every shooting he was involved in, but you could

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe we should.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to reopen it because like at this point, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think, what's it gonna be?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we gonna get out of reopening it? Like

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<v Speaker 1>clearing the name of Louise Halfcock, the gangster who also

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<v Speaker 1>murdered people. I don't know, Dan got anything to plug

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<v Speaker 1>here at the end of the episode, how are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the story, so it's uh, you know, murderers.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad hold for applause, But I like those bastards more

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<v Speaker 2>than like endangering children bastards and like creating systemic wrongs

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<v Speaker 2>that still plague our society today. So I appreciate that

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<v Speaker 2>it was like kind of a standalone bastard.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks, thanks for giving me that. Otherwise pluggables, I

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably Daniel O'Brien on Blue Sky. I'm not really sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to ask you to google it, but give up.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight and more than anything, you know, go shoot your

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather with a shotgun if he's in the app Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't. We shouldn't do that. Can't do that. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>shoot anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>To take advice from Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do pranks? Can we Maybe we could just come

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<v Speaker 1>down on that bad idea ranks, prank's bad, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is like really funny.

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