1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: We have good news. Ruthie's Table four is launching on YouTube. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Well you'll find full episodes, clips, and some of my 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: favorite moments from the series. Guests like Kate Blanchett, Francis 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: Ford Coppola, Sienna Miller, so We Saldana, and many many more. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: To watch. Go to YouTube dot com slash at symbol 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four pod. I can't wait to see you. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: There, Ruthie. 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: Here's a story my mother. You know what she uses 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 3: her oven for? 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 4: Let me guess by her stockings. 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: No, she used it as a filing cabinet. Oh and 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: a filing cabinet. Yeah, if he didn't go in the microwave. 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: Missus Adams wasn't interested in it. But this was the 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: eighties and I was growing up. But it's all about 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: microwaveable food and all being super super quick. So you know, 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: as I began my life in the Spice Girls, we 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: were eating our a lot, going to lovely restaurants, and 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: that was something really quite new. 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 5: A fashion designer, cosmetics entrepreneur, dancer, business woman, a mother 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 5: of four, a singer. There are few women who have 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 5: seven or more adjectives attached to their name, and one 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 5: of them is Victoria Beckham. When Victoria comes to the 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 5: River Cafe, there's no fuss or privilege. She comes in 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 5: with just her family, her close friends, and her colleagues. 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 5: She arrives early so she is there to greet them, 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 5: and the quiet time before they come is spent discussing 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 5: with us what is on the menu, how it is prepared, 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 5: and what she would like to order food. How it 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 5: affects our performance, our health and happiness, and how it 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 5: is shared is important to Victoria Beckham, and Victoria Beckham 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 5: is important to us. Thank you, you are well. 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I'll make more fuss when I come 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: the next time if I'm that easy. 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can. 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: You can do whatever you want. 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 5: But you are and our side to think that there 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 5: are other people, but very few who always arrive before 38 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 5: their guests arrive. And I think it's a real act 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 5: of kindness. It shows that you're kind of putting your 40 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 5: time aside so that you'll be there to greet them. 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 4: It's very very nice. I like it. 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure if it's an act of kindness 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: or if it's just that we're a desperate to leave. 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 2: The house and have a night on our own. 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 3: Okay, or b that we're just super excited to get 46 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: here because we adore the experience of coming and the 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 3: food is always incredible, and the wine is wonderful and 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: the people watching is just everything good. 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 5: Well, we're also here to listen to you read the 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 5: recipe that you've chosen for today. 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: Okay, So my recipe is roasted sea bass. 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: The ingredients are. 53 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: Two kilograms of sea bass, scaled and cleaned, one hundred 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: gram fenyl seeds, two sliced lemons, a few parsley stalks, 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: two fennel bulbs trimmed and sliced, the juice of one lemon, 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: five tablespoons of olive oil, and seventy five millimeters of 57 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: white wine. So you preheat the oven to one hundred 58 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: and ninety degrees centigrade. 59 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: Preheat the grill. 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: Put half of the fenyl seeds inside the cavity of 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: the fish and seasoned generously. Brush the skin with a 62 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: little olive oil and grill for about five to six 63 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: minutes on each side until lightly charred. Place half of 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: the lemon, slices, parsley, fenyl, and the remaining fennel seeds 65 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: in a roasting tin. Lay the fish on top and 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: cover with the remaining lemon, parsley and fennel, over the 67 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: lemon juice, olive oil, and wine, and bake for about 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: thirty minutes or until the flesh is firm to the touch. 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: Serve either hot or cold with south a birdie. 70 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 5: So, Victoria, of all the recipes that you have in 71 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 5: our books and what you eat in the River Cafe, 72 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: why did you choose sea beasts. 73 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: I'm a very fussy eater. I like things to be 74 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: cooked in a very simple way. I don't like oils 75 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: and butters and sauces. So to most restaurants, I'm probably 76 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: the worst nightmare. But you guys are always so accommodating 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: and always cook the food exactly how I like it, 78 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 3: very simple, very clean, incredibly fresh and just perfect. And 79 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: then you know, I love some steam vegetables on the side, 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: some balsomic vinegar, and then to season myself. 81 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 5: Did you come to this way of eating or did 82 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 5: your parents cook that way? Did you grow up with 83 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 5: very healthy, clean food? Oh gosh, no, quite the opposite. 84 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: You know. 85 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: I'd always been to nice places with my parents and 86 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: been taken on lovely holidays, but I'd never been to 87 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: the level of restaurant I was going to when I 88 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: was with the Spice Girls, and it was all very exciting, 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: and very quickly I came to the conclusion that unless 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: I adapted a very healthy way of eating, I would 91 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: just be more inclined to sit there and eat the 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: entire contents of the bread basket, which when you're eating 93 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: out regularly is probably not the healthiest, not when you're 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 3: on tour and you're expecting so much from your body. 95 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: So I just decided from that point to really try 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: and eat in a clean way. Lots of fresh vegetables, 97 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: lots of fish. I don't have any dairy at all. 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 3: I haven't eaten red meat since I was about seven years. 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: Old, before I even go to that. I'd love to 100 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 5: know I your mother. Do you think that she put 101 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 5: her filing in the oven or didn't use the oven 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 5: because she was doing other things? Did she think cooking 103 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 5: was just something she had to do rather than wanted 104 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 5: to do? 105 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: Do you think do you know she was always a 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: great mom and a great wife. She was always busy 107 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: doing something, but you know, cooking was never really her thing. 108 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: It's never really her passion. If you liked she found 109 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: her much better abuse of her of her. 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: Oven, and so that myself. 111 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 5: But did she do the cooking or did you have 112 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 5: somebody else? 113 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 4: No? 114 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: No, no, she she did do the cooking. But you know, 115 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: this was when I was younger. 116 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 3: This was, you know, when it was all about microwaveable food. 117 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: You know, it was a real thing. 118 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: I remember when I was growing up, so many adverts 119 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: on the television. It was all about food that you 120 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: could put in the microwave fast. 121 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: It is absolutely no effort and get out of the kitchen. 122 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, And being seven and vegetarian, do you remember what 123 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:41,559 Speaker 5: made that happen? 124 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: I do, I do. 125 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: I was at school and I was in a home 126 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: economics lesson and they were telling us about what was 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: what was it? I think it was either hamburgers or 128 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: sausages or something like that. And I was absolutely horrified 129 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: and haven't eaten meat since that day. And I have 130 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: to say, I mean, I don't miss it. I ate 131 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: lots of fish and I have a very very healthy 132 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: way of eating. But no, I haven't touched me since then. 133 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: The children do, and David does. And it's not something 134 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: that I did for any reason other than the fact 135 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: that I just went off of it when I learned 136 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: what was in it. 137 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 5: The show's a kind of determination of a child at 138 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: that age to do that. Oh, it's a principal. It's 139 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 5: a kind of view. So you must have been. 140 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: Strong, k I mean I am, and the way that 141 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm very very disciplined, and I think, you know, even 142 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: Gordon Ramsey, who's a very good friend of ours, has 143 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: said he's never known anybody be as disciplined about the 144 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: way that they eat, you know, because for me, it's 145 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: just it's who I am. I expect a lot from 146 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: myself being you know, a working mom for children, and 147 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: I work out a lot, and I eat very very healthily. 148 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: That's just who I am. And that's just you know, 149 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm not the most exciting eater. I like to have 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: a drink with my dinner and then I can become 151 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: a very good dinner guest. 152 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: The drink to make you a good dinner dress, sure, 153 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 5: everything else, But I think that it is interesting to 154 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 5: hear that trajectory as well, that you you know, and 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 5: the discipline. So you don't because we've all been on 156 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 5: diets and we all know what it's like to deny 157 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 5: ourselves food, and I know that you know when you 158 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: hold back sometimes on food, you hold back sometimes on 159 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 5: fun or conversation. But that I think that your description 160 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 5: of your discipline rings true. 161 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: I absolutely don't deny myself anything. You know, if I 162 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: wanted something, I have it. 163 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: You know, I just it's just who I am. 164 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: You know, I have this healthy way of eating that 165 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: works for me. You know, when I was growing up, 166 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: I used to have really bad skin as well, and 167 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: I went to see numerous dermatologists over the years, and 168 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: no one could ever figure out what was wrong with 169 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: my skin where I had such terrible, terrible skin. And 170 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: again that all just cleared up when I started eating 171 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: in this very clean, healthy way as well. And also 172 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: I feel that I have great energy, and so I 173 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: just figured out, you know, well, I'm happy the way 174 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 3: that you are happy. 175 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 5: And what about when you were growing up? Where would 176 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 5: you eat? Would your family all eat together? Did you 177 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 5: have family meals? Did you sit in a living room 178 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: or I'm in the kitchen or the dining room? What 179 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 5: were meals at the Adams House like. 180 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: Well, we always sat together and we'd eat in the kitchen. 181 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: You know, meal time has always been important. Is it 182 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: an important time when you're you know, when you're all 183 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: together reflecting on your day. And that's something that we 184 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: do even now, you know, unless myself or David are 185 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: actually traveling, we always make sure that we are home 186 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: at the same time and that the kids are always there. 187 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 3: And that's the time when we eat together and we 188 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: discuss our days, and I think it's very important. 189 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: And that's how it was when we were growing up. 190 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: You know, I was always darting in and out and 191 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: dancing lessons and singing lessons. You know, my mum was 192 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: a taxi driver when I was younger, literally running myself 193 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: and my brother and sister around all the activities. You know, 194 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: my mom was a real hands on mom. That's probably 195 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: part of the reason why she loved the microwave meals, 196 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: because she was always so busy driving us around. 197 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: And then sitting down to the meal. 198 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 5: So I think whether the meal comes from the microwave 199 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 5: or or from the oven or from you know, brought 200 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: in the actually the idea that you would sit around 201 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: the table and talk my memories of my people always 202 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 5: ask me as a chef, you know what did my 203 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 5: mother cook? And she was a good she was simple cook, 204 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 5: but she was a teacher, so she would come back 205 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 5: from work. 206 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 4: But what I remember is a conversation. 207 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: You know, I remember the idea that we got around 208 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 5: that we had talk around the table, you know, politics 209 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: or the day, what you did during the day and. 210 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: The time to do that. 211 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: You know. 212 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 5: Did you go out to restaurants with your parents? Would 213 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 5: it be special occasion restaurants or would you go out? 214 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean my mom and dad used to love it, 215 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: you know, on a Friday night, it was probably the 216 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: treat to go to the local restaurant. You know, my 217 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: mom and dad loved Indian food, they loved Chinese food. 218 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: And we traveled quite a lot, so we were always 219 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: very lucky to go on nice holidays and experience different 220 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: kinds of foods. 221 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: You know. 222 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: We go to Spain most summers. My parents out a 223 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: house in Spain, so we were lucky enough to be 224 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: able to go there. 225 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: And have you know, a foreign holiday. Every year. 226 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 3: We go to Cyprus. We were lucky enough to go 227 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: to America a couple of times. Actually, we laughed a 228 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: lot and we had some great experiences together. And it's 229 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: nice now that I can do that with my parents. Yeah, 230 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: you know, me and the kids and David love to 231 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: take my mom and dad out. You know, it's a 232 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: real treat. Family time is so so important something that 233 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: we cherish. 234 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 5: I was quite touched when you said that the pleasure 235 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 5: that you gave from actually being able to take out 236 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 5: your parents, Because there is that moment, aren't you, as 237 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 5: you're sort of growing up, when you realize that you 238 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: can actually, after years and years of them taking care 239 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: of you, that you can take care of them. 240 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 241 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 5: So is that something that you associated also with taking 242 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 5: them out to restaurants something? 243 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, because as you said, you know, if you have 244 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: three children, you know, it's expensive to go out and 245 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: eat and go on holiday. And I think that my 246 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: parents they were wonderful, wonderful parents. So now the fact 247 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: that we can treat them, we can take them on holiday, 248 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: and we can take them to lovely restaurants, really means 249 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: a lot. And that's something that me and David really 250 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: do enjoy with his parents as well. Yeah. 251 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, both sides are very very close. 252 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 5: Going back into the trajectory of your childhood and teenage years, 253 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 5: how old were you when you left home? 254 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 3: So I did my GCS, So I was sixteen and 255 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: I moved to Epsom in Surrey. 256 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to be a dancer and a singer. 257 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to go into musical theater actually, and I 258 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: took a place at Lane Theater Arts in EPSOM in Surrey. 259 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: So I was nervous about that and I didn't enjoy 260 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: that part of it. I was always a little bit 261 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say socially awkward, but I was always quite 262 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: shy when I was a child, and as I was 263 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: growing up. I loved the dancing and the singing, but 264 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: again I never really fitted in that well. I don't 265 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: think I really knew who I was. It wasn't until 266 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: I met the Spice Girls and kind of accepted who 267 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: I was, and they brought me out of my shell. 268 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: If you like that, I really became who I am. 269 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 5: Now do you remember what you ate when you were 270 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 5: at EPSOM? 271 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes, I used to eat supernoodles. I mean 272 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: very very student style supernoodles that. 273 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: You put in them. 274 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 3: There we go again, micro But yes, when I was 275 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: at college, I would eat supernoodles. I would have frosty 276 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: you remember the cereal frostis bowls and bowls of frostis 277 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: with skimmed milk. And I used to eat those yogurts, 278 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: you know those muller like when you appeel the corner 279 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: off and you've dump a whole load of sugary you 280 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: know what into it. Yeah, I used to eat a 281 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 3: lot of that. But you know, this was the nineties 282 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: when I feel that it was sort of rammed down 283 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: our throats. You know, fat free, fat free, fat free. 284 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: So we used to eat a lot of fat free 285 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: food without realizing how much sugar we were eating. And 286 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: I think that that probably didn't help my skin. Back 287 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: in the day, you know, there was so much attention 288 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: on eating fat free, and now what we know is 289 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: a complete opposite. Actually, I mean my diet now consists 290 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: of a lot of healthy fats. I mean numerous avocados, 291 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: for example, and seeds and nuts, and now we know 292 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: that fats are good, good fats. But back in the day, 293 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: we were terrified of them. Yeah, it's crazy. And like 294 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: I said, I think that that probably really didn't help 295 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: my skin as I was growing up, but we didn't 296 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: realize it. 297 00:14:50,840 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: Then you joined the Spice Girls. 298 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 4: What was food like there? 299 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean it was so much fun. 300 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: But again, you know, we lived in a house together 301 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: and we ate like students. You know, I think I 302 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: was probably still on the frosties and the supernoodles and 303 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: all those kinds of all those kinds of things, sharing 304 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: the food and fighting over the food that was in 305 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: the fridge, like all kind of students do. 306 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 5: And when I interviewed Paul McCartney last week, he was 307 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: describing that what was a very touching story about going 308 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 5: with John Lennon to Paris so the first time they 309 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 5: ever had a glass of wine because he grew up 310 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: in Liverpool and never had had wine. But he said 311 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 5: that there was a point when George Martin took them 312 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 5: to a restaurant called the Atwal in London, which was 313 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: a kind of a market, fancy French restaurant, and then 314 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: he knew what good food and good wine was. Was 315 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 5: there a moment when you were as a measure of 316 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 5: your success when you realized what food could be? 317 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: Oh got absolutely when we signed our record deal with 318 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: Virgin Records because to lovely restaurants. And I remember actually 319 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: when we signed our record deal, you know, they opened 320 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: a bottle of Christal champagne and again this was the nineties. 321 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: And it was like, wow that champagne got. 322 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: How much I mean, this was just insanity, but so 323 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,359 Speaker 3: much fun and not something that any of us had experienced. 324 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: And I was the poshwan and I came from a lovely, 325 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: lovely family. It wasn't as posh as people thought. I'd 326 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: never had anything like that in my life. And it 327 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: was incredibly luxurious. And we were going to wonderful restaurants 328 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: and eating wonderful food and experience and I'll never forget 329 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 3: not just in England, but you know, we traveled all 330 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: around the world. You know, we were selling records in America, 331 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: in Japan, we spent time in China. 332 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: We traveled the whole world. 333 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: And I feel so blessed that I visited the most 334 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: incredible restaurants in the world. 335 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: Would you eat before a shaw or would you eat 336 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 5: after it? Again, as I asked people about actors, do 337 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 5: you even for them if you're doing a matinee which you. 338 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: Have lunch before breakfast? 339 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 5: Was there discipline and rigor to the way you ate 340 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 5: and performed? 341 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: I mean, not with us, but then you know, we 342 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: we kind of just did our own thing ruthly, you know. 343 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I remember once they introduced us to a 344 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: choreographer and we were like, what do you mean, you're 345 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: going to tell us what to do. We're just going 346 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: to get on stage and we're just going to jiggle 347 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: around and we're just going to do our own thing. So, 348 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, we ate before the show, we ate 349 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: during the show, and we ate after the show. 350 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 5: We ate during the show. 351 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 3: That's really impressing in the middle of quick changes, you know. 352 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: I mean, Melanie c was the most disciplined, for sure, 353 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: but us not so much. I'm much more disciplined now 354 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 3: than I was then. You know, I was twenty years 355 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: old and we were on the road and we were 356 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: having fun, you know, and I was so much more 357 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: naive than I am now and and. 358 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 5: Just ready to just as you say, have fun and 359 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 5: not be not be held back by any you know, 360 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 5: but also with a huge rigor, I mean, to put 361 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 5: on those shows. You were not a twenty year old 362 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 5: just you know, having fun. 363 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: You were working a lot of work. 364 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 3: We were working, Yeah, we were we were working really 365 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: we were working really really hard, and we did have 366 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. We did. 367 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 5: And then in the trajectory again of food and work 368 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 5: and discipline and rigor, you started a business, a business 369 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 5: of fashion and fashion and food and employing people is 370 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 5: something major, isn't it. Did you find the eating and 371 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 5: the food and the discipline and the rigor of being 372 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 5: an entertainer. 373 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 4: That also go into being a businesswoman, do you think that? 374 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? 375 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: You know, at that point then I did start to 376 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 3: become more conscious of what I eating because I knew 377 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: that I was sort of demanding a lot from myself, 378 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: and so I was much more disciplined then, because you know, 379 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: like I said, I'd go into the stadium in a 380 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: pencil skirt and blouse and carrying a burkin, and then 381 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: I'd walk into the dressing room and put on, you know, 382 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 3: a PBC catsuit if you like, And. 383 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: Then I was a spice girl at night. 384 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: And I knew that I was demanding a lot from myself, 385 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: and so therefore I think, you know, I'm a big 386 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: believer of if it's not just what you wear and 387 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: what you put on your skin, obviously, I mean it's 388 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: about what you eat and being healthy as well. 389 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 5: And when you have a show, you when you finish, 390 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 5: do you celebrate, do you get go and have food, 391 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 5: do you go out to dinner? Do you have food 392 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 5: brought in? Or do you just everybody kind is so exhausted, 393 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 5: you know. 394 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: It depends, it depends. I mean, actually, after my last show, 395 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: I came here actually with a few of my team 396 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: members and my mum and dad and my friend and 397 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 3: my sister, So we actually came here to River Cafe 398 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: to celebrate. But I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward 399 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 3: to the next show and business getting back on track. Well, 400 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: we're in the process of working on a pre collection 401 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: at the moment, and then we'll have our main collection 402 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: in September. But I'm looking forward to things getting back 403 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: to normal because I think socializing and eating and drinking 404 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: with friends and colleagues is so so important. Yes, it's 405 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: been a hell of a year, right. 406 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so we think about you know, we've talked 407 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 5: about food and family and food and love and your 408 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 5: parents and exposure to new new places and travel. Food 409 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: also can give us comfort. And so my last question 410 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 5: to you and this very flustery River Cafe day is 411 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 5: to ask you what is your comfort food? 412 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: And this is where I sound even more boring in 413 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: the food department. 414 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: You're not boring in the food department. You're interesting in 415 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: the food. 416 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: Okay, what do I like? 417 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: You know, I like whole grain toast with salt on it? 418 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: Good? 419 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: Is that really boring? Is that carby thing? Isn't it? 420 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 3: Is that carbohydrate that makes you feel comforted? 421 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: And I love salt. 422 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 3: I'm a slavery person's opposed to a sweet person. 423 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 5: I think that sounds like a very good comfort food. 424 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 5: And it's been a very very lovely conversation. 425 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much, thank you. 426 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 4: It was great. Is this for me? Oh? 427 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: That's nice? 428 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 5: What is it? I think it might be fount on it? 429 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: Very nice? Is that what you're having? 430 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: There? 431 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: We go having let's go in the afternoon. 432 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 5: It's my kind of day to visit the online shop 433 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 5: of the River Cafe. Go to shop Therivercafe dot co 434 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 5: dot uk.