1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is away now 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: but will return soon. They called me Ben. We are 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here. 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt, Doc. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: It is the top of the week. This is the 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: time where we and our fellow conspiracy realists explore things 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: just off the edge of the mainstream news. If you 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: are a person who reads or hears things at all, 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: than you are well aware that the news is increasingly 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: being dominated by the situation in Ukraine. Uh. The as 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: as we speak, you're hearing this about a week after 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: we record it. As we speak, the things that happened 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: this weekend were increasingly troubling. They were a little bit 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: mystifying to a lot of our friends in the audience today. Uh. 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: Many people just learned about something called the swift banking system. 21 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: We're going to have a full episode on that, UH 22 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: and many people. You know, it always happens on the internet. 23 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Mat in the age of unending discourse. It's odd that 24 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the the people who were earlier authorities on whatever the 25 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: news cycle was talking about are now suddenly authorities on 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: foreign policy with a deep knowledge of the history of Ukraine, 27 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, Russia, NATO, Kiev, and Rush. And it's 28 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: amazing how they can fit so many opinions into so 29 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: few characters on Twitter. So I know I'm being a jerk, 30 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: but the but the point is this, this context is important, 31 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: and it is often, unfortunately for one reason another is 32 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: often missed in conversations in the West. And we've alluded 33 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: to it before in many past episodes. Um, Matt, you 34 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: and I have been talking about this for years. Now, 35 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: let's see what do we have. Did the Great Game 36 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: ever end talked about Alexander Dugan foundations at geopolitics. It's 37 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: scary how accurate that that would ended up being. And UH, 38 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: and we briefly covered CRIMEA in the situation there, and 39 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: since we've begun looking into it, it it becomes just text 40 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: message threads between us UH, wondering things, wondering things out 41 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: loud to each other. Um, but man, it has been 42 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: very surreal to watch it play out in at least 43 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: the Western news that we're exposed to, in a couple 44 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: of places that we sneak into just to see what 45 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: what's being said, you know, internally in Russia. Um. I 46 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's February right now, it's a Monday, 47 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: as we're recording this. You, as Ben said, you are 48 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: likely reading the news right now, even if you don't 49 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: usually read the news, just because it does feel it 50 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: feels frightening to me personally, this entire thing. So we're 51 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: going to continue covering it, you know, in small ways 52 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: as we're going to do a little bit today and 53 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: talking about it, and then in bigger ways making these 54 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: episodes that you alluded to, Ben. So just you know, 55 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: if you want to stick with us, we'll do our 56 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: best to help you weed through some of the things 57 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: that are hitting the news. Yes, and for all our 58 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists in the area, thank you to everyone 59 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: who has written in. Uh we also I hope that 60 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: you stay tuned and more importantly, stay safe. Man. I 61 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: don't know how much we want to talk about this 62 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: in advance. You and I recently, like just a few 63 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: minutes before we went on air, we were having one 64 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: of those text conversations you mentioned where we were talking 65 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: about the surprising what is being portrayed as the surprising 66 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: lack of logistical hygiene, lack of ops sack, lack of 67 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: lack of basic like day one stuff that state state 68 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: actor militaries are supposed to be capable of on on 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: the part of Russia, h D is surprising, and there 70 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: are some possible reasons for that, but we will get there. 71 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: We don't want to tease you too much in that regard. 72 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: We want to talk about a couple of things first 73 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: before we get into some other stories. So one thing 74 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: that is very important, uh and and Matt and Doc 75 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: and I talked about this at length off air in 76 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: an earlier I believe it was Strange news segment last week, 77 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: I have mentioned the allegations of the Canadian government was 78 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: financially targeting people in Canada who had chosen to donate, 79 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: primarily through go fund me to the Freedom Convoy was 80 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: calling itself be whore. It got disbanded, and we wanted 81 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: to give a quick update with that little bit of 82 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: myth busting. Remember the truth is is more important than 83 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: a headline, right. So the RCMP for the Non Canadian 84 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: that stands for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police responded to 85 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: those allegations fairly recently and said that they did not, 86 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: in fact provide names of convoy donors to financial institutions. 87 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: You can read their official statement online. We were accurate 88 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: and the RCMP confirms that we were accurate when we 89 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: noted the use of the Emergency Act or the Emergencies Act. 90 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: The specific part they were using was the Emergency Economic 91 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: Measures Order. If you would like to read their full statement. 92 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: What they're saying is that they did freeze some accounts 93 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: or they did, you know, tip off financial institutions. But 94 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: the extent of that seems to be greatly exaggerated. And 95 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: that's part of the nature of propaganda. You know, you 96 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: take one story and you make it sound like a 97 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: hundred thousands or a million stories, and it's quite effective. 98 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: People use that strategy because it does work when when 99 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: one wants to control a narrative. But more on that, 100 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: because we do have a an episode coming up on 101 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: the Freedom Convoy. UM. We just wanted to give you 102 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: the facts from from the primary sources so do check 103 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: out the RCMP statement. And you know what, if you 104 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: think they're running a smoke show, if you think they're 105 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: not telling the entirety of the facts, then let us know, 106 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: especially if you yourself have found your account frozen, let 107 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: us know what happened to you. Ben, I've always heard 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: smoke show used in a different context. But yeah, you've 109 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: heard me use smoke show in a different context. So 110 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. This is the non uh non 111 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: evers term. But we needed to get that out on 112 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: the air before we go to any commercial break uh 113 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: and move on to anything else. There is a story 114 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: that you caught, I believe from our friends in New 115 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Zealand that I don't know. It spoke to me, man, 116 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: I just like it's one of those stories that I 117 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: drop everything to read when you when you hit me 118 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: to remember a few years ago, I was on yet 119 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: another weird obsessive sending you in old flames of text 120 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: messages I was. I was saying, do you know what 121 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: we should try to get some stuff they don't want 122 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: you to know, branded tinfoil. Let's make it happen aluminum foil. 123 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: We didn't do it, folks. By the way, that would 124 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: compromise maybe the integrity of what of our larger mission. 125 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: But every so often the idea of tin foil hats 126 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: does pop up, even now in yeah, I would have 127 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: worked out in this instance. So let's jump to New 128 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: Zealand really quickly. You can read this story on n 129 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Z Harold dot co dot n Z. Title is protesters 130 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: turned to tinfoil hats as increasing sickness blamed on government 131 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: beaming radiation rays. If you were unaware, there is some 132 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: ongoing protesting occurring in Wellington, New Zealand. It's been going 133 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: on for quite a while now, and there are a 134 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of people live I mean as you do at 135 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,359 Speaker 1: a protest live stream what's going on in the protests 136 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: and around the area where the protests occurring, and many 137 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: people have been becoming sick. They are reporting things like fevers, headaches, 138 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: body aches, things that I know, as I just recovered 139 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: from it are associated with COVID nineteen, their flu like 140 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: symptoms basically, And those are not the only health effects 141 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: that are being reported by a scattered number of people 142 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: throughout these protests. But there is a let's say, a 143 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: common thread that is being woven right out on social 144 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: media by both people at the protests and people away 145 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: from the protest, saying that there's possibly some kind of 146 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: in this case, government interference with radiation. Think about the 147 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: Havana syndrome and what's reported about some of those effects 148 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: where people believe they're being targeted by some sort of 149 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: energy beam, right, and then they're having negative effects on 150 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: their health because of whatever that energy it's being sent 151 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: to them in this case. And I'm only laughing a 152 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: little bit because the solution has been put forth by 153 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: some people that a tinfoil hat will help prevent whatever 154 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: these supposed attacks from the New Zealand government are, because 155 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: the tinfoil will cause the radiation to not enter your head. Um. 156 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: And this, of course is a conspiracy trope that's gone 157 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: back decades, right, That's why we thought it would be 158 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: funny to have stuff theyn't want, you know, branded tinfoil. 159 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: As of this moment, if you read through that article 160 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: two for my money, into my mind, if there doesn't 161 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: seem to be anything to the claims that there's some 162 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of radiation attack or e m F attack occurring 163 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: on the protesters or happening to the protesters, um, and 164 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: it does appear that there is some sickness of some kind, 165 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: probably just flu, if not you know, COVID nineteen that's 166 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: running through people who are out there protesting just simply 167 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: because of being in close proximity with each other. And 168 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of sitnesses exist that are not 169 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: just COVID and flu that are transmissible if you're in 170 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: close proximity with people. And it does seem like there's 171 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: just some stuff getting passed around. Again, that's my opinion, um, 172 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: But if you go to the article, you'll see that 173 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: there are several people who have gone on camera using 174 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: some kind of e m F detector and kind of 175 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: just testing out various places where the protests are occurring. 176 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: There's one guy who claim aims to have found that 177 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: there are these large concrete blocks that are existing right 178 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: by the roadside there in Wellington, near the protest area, 179 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: and they claim that this one person went on camera 180 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: and claimed that he was getting elevated e m F 181 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: readings that were emanating at least to him from these 182 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: concrete blocks. Now, there there are numerous blocks out there. 183 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: They're all the same, but some, and again you can 184 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: watch it on the video, some appear to have no 185 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: elevated e m F levels, and a few of them 186 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: appear to have very elevated e m F levels. And 187 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: there are even stories that are being told, one of 188 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: them by the same person as being interviewed of two 189 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: individuals who sat upon this concrete block and then after 190 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: a little while reported that they had some negative health effects, 191 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: that they're feeling strange after sitting on that block for 192 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: a an elongated period of time. Got it, Well, Well, 193 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: let me point out we do have to point out 194 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: out that first off, even though it's called tin foil, 195 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: I think we all know we're talking about aluminum right 196 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: in aluminum ten or different elements obviously, but just to 197 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: establish aluminum foil is what we are actually talking about 198 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: street named tinfoil. Aluminum foil does block radio frequency rain 199 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: like aluminum foil does block radio frequency waves, which means that, 200 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: for instance, you could take your smartphone, you could wrap 201 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: it in aluminum foil, and that would conceivably kind of 202 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: create a bootleg mcgever style Faraday cage. I'm just using 203 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: a cell phone as an example, because humanity understands cell phones. 204 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Humanity does not understand the mechanisms of its own brain 205 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: entirely at this point, the smartest people in the world 206 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: know more about your cell phone than they do about 207 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: your brain or their own. So that's where I think 208 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: the seed of the conspiratorial trope, as you call it, 209 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: begins when you say, like it does have because it 210 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: does have an ability to Aluminium as a conductive material, 211 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: does have an ability to block or divert certain signals. 212 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: You can see how people would say, or people would 213 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: make the fairly logical leap to assume that because of 214 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: this these scientific facts, I can protect myself by any 215 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: from any untoward invisible signals by wrapping my head in 216 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: this stuff. But I would also note that that idea 217 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: is missing a couple of other just salient points. For instance, 218 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: the idea of putting tinfoil ak aluminium oil around one's 219 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: head is not the same thing as encasing one's brain 220 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: or central nervous systems in those things. Radio waves can 221 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: inundate material, which means it's not as if some kind 222 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: of wave is going to be hitting your entire head 223 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: and then stop because you've got a little thinking cap on. 224 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like the blocking a cell phone 225 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: signal only works when the cell phone is entirely encased 226 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: in that kind of conductive material. Yeah, very true. You 227 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: would need a full aluminum foil suit. Finally, let's do it, 228 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: you know like the Canadian The Canadian tuxedo is denim. 229 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Let's make like the stuff they don't want you to know, tuxedo. 230 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: It's just a full like a has matt suit, but 231 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: aluminum foil. It can't be that expensive to make that 232 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: like illuminum I do. I do think a Faraday cage 233 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: like structure, if you can make it really flexible as 234 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: a body suit, would be pretty dope. I would get 235 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: a couple of those yes, just to have yes. Uh. 236 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: In this case for me, it's whether or not a 237 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: the Government of New Zealand in Wellington has some kind 238 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: of e m F weapon that they could deploy against 239 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: protesters too, would they deploy that weapon against peaceful protesters? 240 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: And Three, it's way more likely that if there is 241 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: some kind of heightened e m F situation, it's because 242 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: there there are a large number of people who are 243 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: condensed into one area, all of whom are most of 244 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: whom have cellular phones, and they're they're already in a 245 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: downtown city that's got towers in many places. That's very 246 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: dense when it comes to e m F in general, 247 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: and then you add in those cell phones and the 248 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: number of them, then you're in a an elevated e 249 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: m F area. Already. It doesn't require an X for 250 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: a weapon targeting the protesters to have those those elevated levels. 251 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just that's just my that's my 252 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: thinking cap version of the situation. Uh. But uh, it 253 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that kind of thing isn't possible. It's just 254 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: I think it's it's unlikely. It's yeah, it's yeah. It's interesting. 255 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: When you're talking about oppression, right, or disruption in a protest, 256 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: what we have to always remember is that typically the simplest, 257 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: most cost effective methods are going to be the go toos. Right. Uh, 258 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: it is true that protests are an excellent opportunity to 259 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: experiment with quote unquote less than lethal deterrent measures, you know, 260 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: like the so called paying ray or you know, let's 261 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: weaponize bean bags and shoot those people and just sort 262 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: of see what happens. You know, No, no bullets, not really. 263 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Uh So that stuff does take place. But in this case, 264 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: just because of the nature of the science, we know 265 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: that in casing a portion of one's head with something 266 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: that could function as as a you know, a deterrent 267 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: to waves of some sort. We know that that doesn't 268 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: actually work. That just doesn't make sense. Now we also 269 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: have to remember the placebo effect, which is if there 270 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: is something that might be psycho somatic, that doesn't make 271 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: it any less valid, but it does open the door 272 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: for some sort of placebo or ritual to uh make 273 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: the person feel as though they are protected, they have 274 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: been treated, the condition has been addressed. It's it's weird. 275 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: Also also it's funny. Just in a link over in 276 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: our group chat here, there is Faraday fabric that has 277 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: been created, so we're not that far away from your stuff. 278 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: They don't want, you know, tuxedo. There's also a Faraday 279 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: for me. It's a it's a full on body suit 280 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: like a green Man suit. It's a cream man suit. 281 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: You want to slap some kevlar on there, man just 282 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: in case? Yeah, we could, I guess. Don't worry about 283 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the new stuff, worry about the old stuff too. We 284 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: can't get this, We can't get this weird body suited guy. 285 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: We just can't get them to stop protesting. What can 286 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: we do? You know what I mean, yeah, Yeah, I 287 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: was gonna say to your point, if you are under 288 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: the effects of one of these existing cloud dispersal weapons, 289 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: you will know it because either a your skin is 290 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: gonna get super hot, You're gonna feel superheated and it's 291 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: gonna suck and you're gonna probably disperse because of the 292 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: nature sure of it. Or you're gonna be hearing one 293 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: of the most awful, high pitched sounds you've ever heard, 294 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: and it's going to be just beating your ear drums 295 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: into submission until you probably disperse because of again the 296 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: nature of the existing let's call them weapons. Yeah, And 297 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: we're not going to for the sake of your ear 298 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: drums and ours, fellow conspiracy realist, we're not going to 299 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: play a clip of what that sound sounds like. But 300 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: what we are going to do is take a pause. 301 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear from you on your favorite 302 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: tinfoil had experiments. But in the the meantime, we're going to 303 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: take a pause for a word from our sponsors. We'll 304 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: see if Illumination Global and Limited gets us uh, And 305 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: we're going to return with more strange news. And we 306 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: have returned, so I think it's safe for us to say, 307 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: where are United front in this regard. One of the 308 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: things that Matt and Doc and I have been I 309 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: don't want to say struggling with, but one of the 310 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: things we've been very mindful of is in our weekly 311 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: Strange News segment, we honestly spent some time searching for stories. Again, 312 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: there's all about stories off the beaten path. We were 313 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: searching for things that were not somehow related to Russia, 314 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Ukraine and NATO. And it can be a bit of 315 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: a slog in Western media that this is one of 316 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: the prominent things being reported, and again rightly so the 317 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: world should know. But there are many other conflicts, There 318 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: are many other stories. There are all sorts of things 319 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: that are not getting the airtime they should. Uh. For 320 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: one example, as a related to Ukraine thing, the government 321 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: of Poland has relaxed immigration a silo um attempts, but 322 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: not for everybody. It is proven that the government of 323 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Poland has been turning away students from the African diaspora 324 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: who are in Ukraine simply based on their ethnicity. Has 325 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: been turning away you have many students, uh, people from Yemen, 326 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean, has been turning away people of color. That 327 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: story needs to be acknowledged as well. But now we 328 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: are traveling to something different, something that surprisingly has slipped 329 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: through a lot of headlines and full disclosure, Matt, this 330 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: is a piece of a bigger story, I would say, 331 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: but it is also a story that was years in 332 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: the making. We got some vets in the crowd. Today 333 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: we've got some uh, got some marines in the crowd, 334 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: former and active. And if you are one of those folks, 335 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: you have doubtlessly heard of this, but it may surprise 336 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you that most people have not. So the US Mexico 337 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: border is somewhat of a porous border, at least in 338 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: terms of what gets through, Right, We're talking about people 339 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: who are leaving strife and danger in their you know, 340 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: in their local hometown, and they're trying to pursue the 341 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: American dream, or if not pursue the American dream, they're 342 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: trying to get to a place where they and their 343 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: families are going to feel safer. Totally understood. That's like, 344 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: that's human logic that works. But the US has a 345 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: somewhat um somewhat targeted immigration policy, and historically this has 346 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: been the case. Right, it is difficult for many, many 347 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: people to enter the US legally. If you are in 348 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place, as they used 349 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: to say, then you may feel compared held. You may 350 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: feel that is your only choice to attempt an illegal 351 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: border crossing. Two travel with the help of any number 352 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: of strange bedfellows and find yourself in the US, and 353 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: you won't have the paperwork. You will be considered an 354 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: undocumented person. There are tons of complications with this. It 355 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: It becomes an intergenerational consequence because there are people who 356 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: are born in the US. I forget sometimes this doesn't 357 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: happen in every country. If you were born in the 358 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: United States, you are automatically a citizen and other countries, 359 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: some other countries they think that's wild. It doesn't make 360 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: sense to them, but that's what the US is going 361 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: with now. So there are children who are born in 362 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: the US who completely grew up here, just like any 363 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: other of your US friends you may know, But their 364 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: parents can illegally. So what happens to those families? This 365 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: is a bigger problem, and perhaps doing too much of 366 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: a ted talk or a I never get to use 367 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: this word, matt a pro legomenon, no idea. It means 368 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: brief introductory remarks isn't that the dumbest word tro legomenon, 369 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: tro leg prologue And that makes sense to me, Okay, 370 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: I got it. A phenomenon, you know, a critical or 371 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: discursive introduction to like a book or a topic. Anyway, 372 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: I just had to get that word out. Let's be honest. 373 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: It's one of those words no one uses except for 374 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: on this show when we said it. So the point 375 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying is uh, I'm taking too long 376 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: to get to the point, maybe by one to set 377 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: up some context for what's happening here. Over the past 378 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: few years, there's been a problem, specifically a Camp Pendleton, 379 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: and it evolves illegal border traffic. It involves human trafficking, 380 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: not for the purposes of slavery, but for the purposes 381 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: of getting people into the country via some sort of 382 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: circumvention of the current immigration policies. And this one was 383 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: not led by Coyote. It was led by US Marines, 384 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: active duty US Marines. And these are young kids, you know, 385 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: they're like twenty years old, one of them was at 386 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: the time. And they were being paid peanuts, Matt. They 387 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: were being paid like five bucks a pop two play 388 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: Hookey to drive down to pick up people, maybe two 389 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: three at a time. And the story is the story 390 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: put me at some ethical quandaries because of course you 391 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: want to avoid breaking the law in general. I don't 392 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: think that's a hot take unless there's a very unjust law, 393 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: right like apartheid or something. But when you look at 394 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: the case of someone like Francisco Rojas, who had made 395 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: hundreds of runs as part of this ring, and they 396 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: were communicating by snapchat, you can find you can find 397 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: all the ins and outs. Now because they did get discovered, 398 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: they did get popped, this did go to court. Uh. 399 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: What they were doing was mainly for the money rather 400 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: than for some sort of ideology, and they were quite 401 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: successful with this for a while. There were multiple marines 402 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: involved at Pendleton's and there their arrangement led to one 403 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: of the biggest scandals in Marine Corps history. More than 404 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: sixteen Marines were arrested for this kind of smuggling. And then, 405 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: of course, if you're talking smuggling, talking about people branching out. 406 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: So another eight were arrested for drug charges. Uh. Not 407 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: not sure whether those drug charges involved smuggling the drugs 408 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: were just transporting and distributing them. I want to give 409 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: a special shout out to Emily Green writing over a 410 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: Vice World News inside a massive human smuggling ring led 411 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: by US Marines. This this is a good summation of 412 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: how everything broke down. But essentially what they would do 413 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: is we mentioned that they were interacting with folks on Snapchat. 414 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: They were also because they're smart, they're Marines. They were 415 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: practicing buddy system. There would always be at least one 416 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: person who was speaking Spanish with the folks on the 417 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: Mexican side of the border or rain Gene. For the transit, 418 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: these guys would the Marines, I mean, would actually be 419 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: north of the border. The majority of time. They would 420 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: be helping folks who had made it across the border 421 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: get away from the heat. So they would they would 422 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: get a message that would tell them where to stop, 423 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: somewhere in the in the scrub land, and then the 424 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: folks that they were transporting would hop out of hiding 425 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: like literally in a busher behind a rock or something, 426 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: and then they would get in and the Marines would 427 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: assist them getting away from the hotspots, the checkpoints and 428 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: so on, and then they would literally drop these folks 429 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: off at like a McDonald's or a whole foods and 430 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: they would get in another car to continue their journey. Now, 431 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you feel personally about immigration policies, 432 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: doesn't matter personally how any of us feel about these 433 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: um these laws. What matters is that we're talking about 434 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: human lives, right, and we're also talking about the susceptibility 435 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: of those and positions of authority. I don't know if 436 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: people outside of the military are aware of this, but 437 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: especially when you're starting off, you'll make a ton of money. 438 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: People usually don't join the US Armed Forces to get rich. 439 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: So for some of us in the audience today, five 440 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: bucks may sound like a huge win. Five dred bucks 441 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: may sound like you know your Vegas money on a weekend. 442 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: We don't know where everybody is in life, but we 443 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: do know that for these young men in the Marines, 444 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: that money was enough to move the needle into criminal activity. 445 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: And at this point, Matt, I want to ask you 446 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: your reaction to this story. Does this surprise you? Does 447 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: this just confirm previous cynical opinions like what do you 448 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: think about that? What are bigger things we and all 449 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists can take from accounts like this? Well, 450 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: then I think my one of my big takeaways I've 451 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: got to first one is that you nail it already. 452 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: I think criminal activity, or what would be described as such, 453 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: generally occurs when you've got an individual person that isn't 454 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: making the money they thought they would be making, or 455 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: they cannot make more money than they are currently making. 456 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: There's no way up right, there's no way to increase 457 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: that bi monthly monthly payment that they get from their employer, 458 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: and that's an opportunity for corruption to just creep on in. 459 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: We've seen it with police departments historically here in the 460 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: United States. I mean, it makes perfect sense that it 461 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: would occur with something as as you know, something we 462 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: hold up an institution like the U. S. Marines, especially 463 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: with younger folks who didn't necessarily get hooked in with 464 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: the promise of lots of money. But I know for 465 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: a fact that that is one of the techniques that 466 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: is used on younger people who come in just about 467 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: how much money you will be able to make. You 468 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: just have to wait a fairly long period of time 469 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: before you actually make that money. Anyway, that that's my 470 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: first thing. The second thing is I was astounded to 471 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: find out that the trope In much of the popular 472 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: fiction that exists out there, the concept of running to 473 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: the border, no matter what border it is, isn't the 474 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: end of the journey by a long shot when it 475 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: comes to getting away safe. I didn't understand the number 476 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: of checkpoints and other UH stops that are in place 477 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: within the US near the border, and we're talking eighty 478 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: miles seventy hundred miles away from the border where you 479 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: have to make another stop and your vehicle will be inspected. 480 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: I did not know that that was there. I just didn't. 481 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. That really changed the way I think 482 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: about all of this, and and really the entire system 483 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: from the border of the US and Mexico down there 484 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: to hundred miles yeah, deep into Texas, deep into Arizona, California. 485 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: Those checkpoints continue, and people who are trying to get 486 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: pass those checkpoints are relying on smugglers to hide them 487 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: in dump trucks, tractor trailers. Even there have even cases 488 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: of people in coffins just to get through the border. 489 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: But the reason that marine operation works so well is 490 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: that there, you know, one of the last groups of 491 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: people one would suspect of that sort of activity. And 492 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: this may be part of a larger story. Several years ago, 493 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: for car Stuff, you remember car Stuff, I had done 494 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: a piece with our old pal Scott Benjamin on the 495 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: ins and outs, the nuts and bolts of human trafficking 496 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: over that border in particular. But there is more to 497 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: the story. Let us know if you think this should 498 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: be something examined in an episode, because this is something 499 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: that is close to a lot of people on a 500 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: personal level in this country and abroad. When you look 501 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: at problems and when you maintain a human perspective about 502 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: these problems. The thing the thing about is you can 503 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: always improve a policy. You can always improve a policy, 504 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: you can always improve a law. But at this point, 505 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: you cannot bring someone back from the dead. Once someone 506 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: has lost their life, they're gone. So what can society 507 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: do to prevent that loss of life, to grant people 508 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: opportunity that all people, being equal, do deserve. This is 509 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: not this is not a hot take, This is not 510 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: a political take. But everything that we have discus rived 511 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: in this story. The best way to address anything there 512 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: that seems problematic is structural change. Right, It's not just 513 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: a headline. Now you can tell that I have a 514 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: bit of a horse in the race here. I've been 515 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: on either side of some of these conversations. So we're 516 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: going to leave it here. We can't wait to hear 517 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: your take. In the meantime, we're gonna pause for a 518 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor or return with one more piece 519 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: of I would say, inspiring strange news. We're back and 520 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: for this last story, we're going to travel to Estonia. 521 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: Ben have you ever been to Estonia? I have not 522 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: been to Estonia. I'm genuinely surprised. But of goals, right, 523 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: we'll get there. I want to go. Um. There's a 524 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: story coming out of euronews dot com and the title 525 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: is our lives may actually flash before our eyes when 526 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: we die. A new study suggests our eyes may actually 527 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: flash before our eyes. This is another trope. We're just 528 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: talking about tropes today all day. The concept in perhaps 529 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: a film that you've seen, where a character is passing 530 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: away and just before the moment that they lose consciousness, 531 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: or perhaps in that moment they see a series of 532 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: still images or moments in their life, or at least 533 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: from the film, that are meaningful and impactful to them. 534 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: We know, just in doing this show and in past 535 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: research that near death experiences are very much a real thing, 536 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: and they are hugely variable. They go from infinite darkness nothingness, 537 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: to the heaven version where it's all a light being 538 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: welcomed into a light, to watching bits of your past 539 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: over again. There's it's just a huge variance in the 540 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: experience that is near death experience. In this instance that 541 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: we're going to discuss right now, there is one human 542 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: being who was eighty seven years old who happened to 543 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: pass away of a heart attack while his brain was 544 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: being scanned. Yes, yes, it was very much an accidental 545 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: thing that occurred. I'll read a bit from this article here. Um, 546 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: it was in fact unintentional, at least according to Ian Smith, 547 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: who's writing for Euroinews, there was an elderly man who 548 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: was admitted to a hospital due to an unrelated thing. 549 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: He had fallen. He had developed epilepsy and he was 550 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: being monitored through an e KG and there were recordings 551 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: apparently I suppose, of his brain activity at like in 552 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: the moments that he passed away. So he passed away 553 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: as some of this monitoring was occurring, and at least 554 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: according to this research that was published recently, I believe 555 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: last week, as we record this in the journal Frontiers 556 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: of Aging Neuroscience. And this is a quote here, Ben, 557 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: I'll read this quote. We measured nine hundred seconds of 558 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: brain activity around the time of death and set a 559 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: specific focus to investigate what happened in the thirty seconds 560 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: before in the thirty seconds after the heart stopped beating. Yeah. Yeah, 561 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: and they said they found some very strange things by 562 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: way of brain activity, strange things that I don't necessarily understand. 563 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: So congratulations, here it comes. Here's another quote. Just before 564 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: and after the heart stopped working, we saw changes in 565 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: a specific band of neural oscillations, so called gamma oscillations, 566 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: but also in others such as delta, theta, alpha, and 567 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: beta selations. Now you may have heard of these things. 568 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: These are these are what people call when they say 569 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: brain waves. You know, if you have your see those 570 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: videos online have the binural beats and it says these 571 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: activate beta waves. I know because I know because when 572 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: you got really into like b neural stuff, you would 573 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: send me those videos. Uh yeah, am I guess if 574 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: we're putting it simply, let's just for these purposes, consider 575 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: a brain wave or an oscillation as an electrical activity, 576 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: and it's rhythmic and or repetitive, and it happens in 577 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: response to well, the textbook way it happens is response 578 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: to some sort of stimulus by neural tissue in your CNS, 579 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: your central nervous system. So it's it's like your correct 580 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, Matt. I'm just I'm trying 581 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: to introduce the concept via analogy. But it's sort of 582 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: like a brain oscillation is like the beat that that 583 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: parts of your brain are dropping, right, yes, gamma way, 584 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: but it's but it's weird because the beats are accessing 585 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: different drums, so the different waves kind of can represent 586 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: what the brain is doing, the function that's occurring. And 587 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: I'm no neuroscientists, I don't understand this stuff. Please write 588 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: to us and we'll cover it on listener Mail. So 589 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: this is how we do it, guys. We set up 590 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: the concepts and strange news, we get information from smart 591 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: people like you and listener mail, and then it all 592 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: comes together in a full episode later down the road. Um. 593 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: But in this case, what they believe they recorded was 594 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: the brain, this man's brain, retrieving memories and doing it 595 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: pretty rapidly. And again they there's no way to see 596 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: inside what he was experiencing in those moments. But again, 597 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: by by capturing this data, the scientists there believe that 598 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: they have seen at least the brain reliving real moments, 599 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: recalling memories in quick succession, one after the other, just 600 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,959 Speaker 1: before death. Have you ever had I believe I asked 601 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: you this in a in a past conversation. Have you 602 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: ever had in your death experience? I do not believe 603 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: I have. I do not remember it. If I have, 604 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't have on paper any time when I was 605 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: near death or perhaps did die for any period of time. 606 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: But again, that's a weird way to say. No, it's 607 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: not quite a known you know what I mean? Um, 608 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just interested because I know a lot 609 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 1: of us in the audience today have experienced something like that, 610 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: even if it was traumatic brain injury some sort that 611 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: did not necessarily lead to cardiac arrest or the stopping 612 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: of the heart. People. We talked about this too, I 613 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: know we did. People often forget that there is a 614 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: distinction between medically dead for a second two legally dead. Uh. 615 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: And there's also a a sort of gradient for how 616 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: long one's brain can go without oxygen before permanent damage 617 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: is incurred. But just just to clear this up for 618 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: anybody who's not at a brush with the void or 619 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: that tunnel with all the light, just to just to 620 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: set the level here. Um, you can experience those things 621 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: and your heart can stop for a limited time without 622 00:42:53,719 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: necessarily incurring long term substitutive cognitive damage. But don't try 623 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,479 Speaker 1: it at home. Don't do it. Doesn't matter how many 624 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: times you watch that key for Sutherland film Flatliners. It's 625 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: not cool. I say that as a fan of self experimentation. 626 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: Don't mess with it. Not worth it, you know what 627 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean? Try meditating that'll get your gamma waves going, truly, 628 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: that's the way to do it. And try some of 629 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: them by neural beats there. It's true, folks, is true, Matt, 630 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: has been Matt, you have been championing these for um 631 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: gosh for years now and uh and people do find 632 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 1: uh meditative aspects to it and they do experience um. 633 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: You know. It is in some ways related to the 634 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,399 Speaker 1: the idea of the phenomenon of a s MR, which Matt, 635 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: what does that stand for? Again? A SMR is autonomous 636 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: sensory meridian response. Nailed it, h man, I feel weirder 637 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: and weirder about how into that I was, Like, every 638 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: passing moment, I just feel weirder, look into somebody doing 639 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: weird stuff on the mic. Oh yeah, yeah, Well, of 640 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: course it's the internet, so things everything will have some 641 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,439 Speaker 1: creepy version of it out there. But you never sent 642 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: any creepy stuff, and we never talked about in creepy. 643 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: Actually we we spent a lot of time to you, 644 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: not to me, that's true, not to me your mileage 645 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: bay very folks. But but yeah, we were always on 646 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: the up and up at our conversations, and frankly, we're 647 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of nerdy about it because we're always doing a 648 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: thought experiment. If this is true, then what else is true? Etcetera. 649 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: But one thing I think is is fascinating about the 650 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: idea of a near death experience is couple this with 651 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: the concept of um those studies that found one can 652 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: retrieve an image of a memory right given certain constraints. 653 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: Science has already proved that it is possible to ask 654 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: someone to think of like a I don't know, a 655 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 1: pink elephant, a blue boat, whatever, and then while they're 656 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: thinking of it, Uh, it is possible two measure human 657 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: brain waves and from the measurement of those waves or oscillations, 658 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: if you will, it is possible to reconstruct an image. 659 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if this can be applied two the 660 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: mind of someone who is experiencing this vast uh, this 661 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: vast increase in memory or walking through the memory palace 662 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: as their body expires, as it fails. Um. The problem 663 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: with that is it seems somewhat ethically dodgy, And you 664 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: know it's ethnically dodgy if I'm the one saying it, 665 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, like you can't. You shouldn't ideally kill people 666 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: to see whether or not their life flashes before their eyes. 667 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: But with this story you're sharing, which is legit and 668 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: confirmed incredible, it looks like it happens. Man, looks like 669 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: people have that montage moment of perhaps right, you need 670 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: to back up to study and repeat it numerous times, 671 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: or this accident, you'd have to repeat it a ton 672 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: of times you get something, which is why I propose this, 673 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: um there, have you heard of the Sarco pod or 674 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: the it's been called the suicide capsule. Have you heard 675 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: of this? Yes? Yes, I have, yeah, but vaguely. This 676 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: is different from the so called god helmet. Yes, This 677 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: is an assisted suicide device, and it's developed in Switzerland, 678 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: which last year I think they passed a legal review. Uh. 679 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: And it's a concept of having this pod that would 680 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: be shipped to your home, at least that's how it 681 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: was described when I was last reading about it. Where 682 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: you would climb inside if you wish to end your life, 683 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: and where it would cause you to experience hypoxia by 684 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: inserting nitrogen gas into the pod and raising that level 685 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: up to the point where you can no longer breathe 686 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: and you die. But you would be experiencing the the 687 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: euphoria that comes along with hypoxia, which is what many 688 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: pilots experience when they're at a certain altitude UM and 689 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: then lose pressure like loose cabin pressure. So there's this 690 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: thing that exists as a self contained pot to use 691 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: as an assisted suicide device. And I can imagine that 692 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 1: if there was something with that device that actually measured 693 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, any kg sort of thing that attached to 694 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: the user um, the pot itself could maybe gather data 695 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: in a more humane way that would wouldn't be considered 696 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know there's something there, right, 697 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: but put those two things together you actually gather data. 698 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and that's a very you know, I 699 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: think the logic sound there, But the the issue with 700 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: that is then to gather that data. Anybody attempting that 701 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: enterprise is inherently asking people to die for science, and 702 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,839 Speaker 1: that gets into a whole other bag of badgers. You know, 703 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: unless you want to unless you want to do the 704 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: uh oh, unless you want to do the flatliners thing 705 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 1: and say I just go for a sec, go over 706 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,919 Speaker 1: across the veil for a sec. We'll bring you back 707 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: and then we'll tell you stuff. And then that's what 708 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: you have to do, right, and then you would compare 709 00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: and contrast what that person or that mind experience against 710 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: the data that was obtained. This is you know, this 711 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,800 Speaker 1: is getting close to mad science. But this is also 712 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this could be invaluable. This might be the 713 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: next best step forward and understanding what happens to the 714 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: mind after the body has gone. Yeah, sorry, getting that 715 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: weird topic of assisted suicide. I don't even know what 716 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: side I'm on right now, to be honest, because torn 717 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: by by what could be learned, and I'm also well, 718 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 1: as you know, well aware of the dangers of those 719 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: sorts of pursuits and conversations, and obviously you know, yeah, 720 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: and obviously you know the concept of assisted suicide or 721 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: end of life things. Even even with someone's full knowing consent, etcetera. 722 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: There there is a really solid argument to be made. 723 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: And this is this is not us making this argument, folks, 724 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: but it is. It is a logically sound argument, and 725 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: it's it's very troubling, it's very sad. But you have 726 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: to consider that if you if we are in conversations 727 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: about assisted suicide, regardless of someone's spiritual value system, their beliefs, 728 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,280 Speaker 1: or their lack thereof, I would ask you this, Matt, 729 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:41,240 Speaker 1: knowing that absolutely no human being has convinced anyone about 730 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: what happens after death, after physical death, Knowing that, is 731 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: it even possible for someone to give informed consent to 732 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,720 Speaker 1: some sort of experiment involving the taking of one's own life? 733 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 1: I I feel like to have informed consent, you have 734 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: to know what you're agreeing to, and there's simply no 735 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: way to do that at this point. Too. Quick housekeeping 736 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: fact checking things here first, the idea that Switzerland has 737 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: approved this is, as far as I can tell, it 738 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,879 Speaker 1: is not official. It was bread on social media but 739 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: it is not necessarily true. The inventor it's confident that 740 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: I could be used in the land, but I as 741 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: of as of December of last year, that was not 742 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: the case. It's it's interesting because there's always more to 743 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,279 Speaker 1: this story. So here's our understanding. As of December, there 744 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 1: was an independent legal review that said, according to the 745 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: current laws, the device could be operated legally in Switzerland. However, 746 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the government of Switzerland approved a what 747 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: was called suicide chamber social media, and in fact the inventor, 748 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: the creator of this, did not seek such approval. But 749 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: you know what, I bet. I mean, your point is 750 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,959 Speaker 1: so good, right, gather the data while possible if such 751 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: a thing exists, and and obviously you know, the second 752 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: thing that we do have to mention is whenever we 753 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: talk about what a person taking their own life for 754 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: any reason, what we do have to what we do 755 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: have to note is that there are resources available. At 756 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 1: the risk of sounding judgmental, which we don't want to 757 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: sound judgmental, but at that risk, you should know, folks, 758 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: that most of the people who for instance, survive jumping 759 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: off a bridge in an attempt to take their own life. 760 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: The report that after jumping, they instantly feel deep and 761 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: profound regret. There are some things you can't take back. 762 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: So whenever we talked about this, whenever one of your 763 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: friends or fellow conspiracy realists having one of these conversations, 764 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: be there for them and also point out that there 765 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 1: are resources available. There are people, they're experts, will talk 766 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: to you for free. They're not going to charge any money. 767 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: You know, they're not ness. They're not gonna put you 768 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,399 Speaker 1: on hold and call you back. You can if you're 769 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: in the US, you can call one eight hundred two 770 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: seven three eight to five. That is the National Suicide 771 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 1: Prevention hotline. As to Matt, as to the other question, 772 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,360 Speaker 1: it sounds confirmed, at least in one case, due to 773 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,799 Speaker 1: an entirely accidental opportunity to measure this. It seems that 774 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 1: people's memories really do flash before their minds. I and 775 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: my question then is why what does it mean? Right? 776 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,399 Speaker 1: Why do you get that? Why why do you get 777 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: that quick montage? Of using the word montage, But I'm 778 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: having trouble thinking of another more accurate phrase. You know 779 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,680 Speaker 1: what I mean? No, sure, I mean that's what it is. 780 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:15,240 Speaker 1: There's definitely music from the Rocky soundtrack playing uh no, 781 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,319 Speaker 1: which would be great. I mean that's how I'd want 782 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: mine to be. Um. Yeah, there have been some studies 783 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,600 Speaker 1: on rats a little grizzly but showing what happens in 784 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: rats brains as they're passing that that up here to 785 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: show similar things with these gamma waves, which you know, 786 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: it just makes me think about the hull look um 787 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 1: and came our radiation. Okay, sorry, sorry anyway, Yes, I 788 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,399 Speaker 1: think we'll end it there for today, and so we 789 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 1: passed the conversation to you. Uh Matt, you definitely pulled 790 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 1: back the curtain and part of our process from Strange 791 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: News the listener mail do an episode. We can't wait 792 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,800 Speaker 1: for you to be than this. We have. We've taken 793 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: this conversation in a lot of different places today and 794 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: the we have undoubtedly hit on some things that are 795 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: very close and very personal too many of our fellow 796 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,959 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. We want to hear your take. We want 797 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: to hear your We want to hear if you ever 798 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: wore a tinfoil hat I did in the past for 799 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,320 Speaker 1: the look, though I didn't think it would work. I 800 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,560 Speaker 1: knew about the chen thing already. But we also want 801 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,480 Speaker 1: to know what you think. 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