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Speaker 1: Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be

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Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered. I'm just watching the highlights of the Monday

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Speaker 1: night game last night, and I'm getting angry all over again.

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Speaker 1: It was more, you know, explosive from a dead start,

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Speaker 1: as they said. Yeah, they threw it Howard on important plays.

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Speaker 1: This is my point with their best play though, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, like, why is that their best play? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what they did. I mean I knew it was

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Speaker 1: gonna happen, know it's gonna happen, and wanting it to

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Speaker 1: happen at two different things. Don't tell me you wanted

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Speaker 1: it to happen that you got so mad. They may

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Speaker 1: have gotten bailed out with a penalty, because I do

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Speaker 1: think he grabbed well never, but he was never exactly.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me that's the best play. Justin Tommy Kern

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Speaker 1: reporting Patricia's upset with Kendrick Bourne after a missed preseason meeting.

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Speaker 1: Any so that I was a round, I guess there

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Speaker 1: are you calling hardy? Yes, yes, it's fun. I was

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Speaker 1: listening in every time that would have I know Fred's chuckle. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you were that's the best part. He should charge

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Speaker 1: me Rent Kevin's and Delaware. Hey Kevin, Hey, hey, hey.

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Speaker 1: This is Patriot's Unfiltered fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: into Patriots Unfiltered. We are coming at you live from

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Speaker 1: Jillette Stadium. It's it's your boy Deucee hosting it. Sorry, guys,

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Speaker 1: due back in the host chair. No, no, no Fred today,

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Speaker 1: just this is Paul and Mike. This is the this

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Speaker 1: is the A one team A one. I like that.

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Speaker 1: The original A team was was idiots. We know who

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Speaker 1: that was. Okay, I can't, but you're right there, Deuce.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I just need you and you yell

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Speaker 1: a little more. We got into it a little bit

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Speaker 1: yesterday about you know what, I noticing that little argument

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Speaker 1: um and I don't know if this happens all the time,

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Speaker 1: but suddenly my voice went to a place that I'm

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Speaker 1: not really comfortable with. You had a new octave. You

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Speaker 1: can't tell me. I'm like, where did that come from? Well?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Not good much good, much like the

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Speaker 1: Patriots offense. We don't know. We don't know where that

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Speaker 1: came from. We don't know where this came from. But

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Speaker 1: busy day here today, and it won't be just Paul

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Speaker 1: and I. We we were gonna welcome back Evan Lazarre.

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Speaker 1: Finally he'll be on for the second half hour. But

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Speaker 1: I got a little practice update one that we're kind

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Speaker 1: of interested in more so than normal because we want

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Speaker 1: to see how mac Jones looks physically. I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we haven't really grilled Evan yet on the practice report too,

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Speaker 1: so I hope he's really you know, looking at that,

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Speaker 1: like what's the mood that that question might throw him

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Speaker 1: off a little bit. You know, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't they don't have mood on all

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Yeah, it's just straight up football here. You

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Speaker 1: guys want to know what kind of concepts they were

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Speaker 1: running out there? Yeah, it was cover three, you know,

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Speaker 1: a man under a guy over the top. So you

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Speaker 1: can you can do the dance, Paul, But that's what

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Speaker 1: it is. It's a dance. Anybody could do it. I'm

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Speaker 1: a good dancer. Yeah, can you do it correctly? Right? Well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. Well, we'll grill him. We got

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Speaker 1: some an early preview of evans reaction to to the

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Speaker 1: L twenty two and the film breakdown, and it's probably

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Speaker 1: about what you would expect it to be, maybe not

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Speaker 1: though maybe a little bit surprised that he was a

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Speaker 1: little fired up. But I'm excited I got a chance

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Speaker 1: I'm down in the dungeon now and I don't see

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Speaker 1: bit aback that he, you know, on watching it at

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Speaker 1: still knows how I was supposed to work. I thought,

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to feel better when you watch the film

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Speaker 1: the second time, and I'd see the optimism. People were

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Speaker 1: open everywhere. But now we'll have having on about one o'clock.

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Speaker 1: But Bill's going right now, so we'll get, you know,

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Speaker 1: some some news from that press contract. We do have

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Speaker 1: We'll get practice reports every day, you know, the practice

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Speaker 1: participation report that Fred likes distress, it's not the injury

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Speaker 1: so yet, I think practice at twelve forty So he's

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Speaker 1: See on Mac Jones is moving? Guys will getting the

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Speaker 1: locker later when I'm doing my my real radio yeump

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Speaker 1: that up, Lgren, Maz and Bill. As Mike said, I

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Speaker 1: you know, if that happens, kind of he's hurt, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's true designation injury no no, but it certainly

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Speaker 1: seems like mac Um you know, dodged a bullet if

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Speaker 1: there was, you know, it seems like he's getting or

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Speaker 1: that's probably a good sign. But you know, I still

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Speaker 1: But that hitt he took was that was that was tough.

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Speaker 1: That was tough, and I think he landed. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I'm not so sure about the spasms.

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Speaker 1: didn't spasms. That seems more like a general tourney. I

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Speaker 1: Felger math, but they seem kind of like mass spasms.

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Speaker 1: It's just they always just sort of seemed like whatever

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Speaker 1: He had said that the roughering to pass or play.

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Speaker 1: I love to hear from you guys, though, of course,

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Speaker 1: uh move last night time Montgomery a little bit of

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Speaker 1: for you. The first question is it's I'll preface the

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Speaker 1: question with Um saying, let's just say that they the

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Speaker 1: roster stays as it is and regardless of one one

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Speaker 1: or last record and how their offense looks when this happens.

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Speaker 1: But when Taekwon Thornton comes back, when he's ready and

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Speaker 1: available to play, do you think they they're a little

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Speaker 1: apprehensive about playing them a little like give him limited

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Speaker 1: snaps or do you think they just throw them out

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Speaker 1: there to see what he can do. And the second

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Speaker 1: question is regarding since t J. Watt is not going

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Speaker 1: to be playing in the game on Sunday, how important

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Speaker 1: is it for Mac on every single play to identify

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Speaker 1: where Minca Fitzpatrick is because he's in my opinion, he's

436
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Speaker 1: one of the best safeties in the league. Like hand

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Speaker 1: down yep, Well yeah, I mean I don't think those

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Speaker 1: two things are all that related, like t J. Watt

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Speaker 1: and Minca Fitzpatrick. Yeah, I mean, he's gonna need to

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Speaker 1: be aware of Fitzpatrick and they're gonna be I think,

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Speaker 1: thanks more importantly for Mac Jones in regards to pass protection,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna need to be on it. They've struggled, They've

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Speaker 1: missed some assignments, whether that's Max fault or the aligneman's fault.

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Speaker 1: You know, he needs to be part of the solution,

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Speaker 1: right You can't have the runaway guys that they've had.

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Speaker 1: Um So, I think they catch an enormous break without

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Speaker 1: t J. Watt. And it'd be interesting to see if

448
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Speaker 1: Alex Highsmith can be, you know, a disruptive player like

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Speaker 1: he was last week. Now he's a young guy who's

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Speaker 1: coming into his own Tom Wins talked very highly about

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Speaker 1: him in the past. He had three sacks and nine

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Speaker 1: quarterback pressures against Cincinnati. I have to think that's at

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Speaker 1: least partly due to the fact that on the other

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Speaker 1: side was t J Watt. Yeah, and he didn't get

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Speaker 1: hurt until overtime. So yeah, I mean to piggyback on

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Speaker 1: what you're saying too, I mean, and he plays on

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Speaker 1: the right side, so does Cam Hayward. So for me,

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Speaker 1: I look at Cole Strange Trent Brown as kind of

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Speaker 1: being key. I mean, Cam Hayward, he's an old veteran, big,

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Speaker 1: tough everything. That probably gives Cole Strange some problems here

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Speaker 1: early in his rookie year with you know, not having

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Speaker 1: the most sand in his pants, right, no one, there

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Speaker 1: you go. I think that's a real challenge. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like sand in his pants. That's good for the lineman

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Speaker 1: you need. I think he doesn't need a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of that. As for Thor, I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if if he was talking along the lines of

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Speaker 1: are they worried he's gonna get reinjured or oh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I just think he man. How much

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Speaker 1: do you think he'd played provided that he's healthy. I

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Speaker 1: can well, I would. I would say, yes, get him

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Speaker 1: in with you, no fights today, no rising in my voice.

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Speaker 1: But I will say that it probably would depend on

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Speaker 1: what's happened over the next month. You know. Let's say, like,

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Speaker 1: I think they have a good chance to go to

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and sort of make everybody feel a lot better

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Speaker 1: about what's going on and come away with a win.

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Speaker 1: Now do you come back and respond with a nice

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Speaker 1: win at home against Baltimore two, not the team that's

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Speaker 1: not likely to light up the school board? And then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're feeling better about yourself at

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Speaker 1: like two and one, you know, and then you get Thornton,

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Speaker 1: probably back on the practice field, maybe with a chance

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Speaker 1: to play in week five or six. You know, probably

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Speaker 1: can afford to like work him in slowly and see

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Speaker 1: where he fits. You have bad stuff go on in

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and a continuation of the offensive malaise, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you're one in three or you know,

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Speaker 1: worse yet oh and four, when Thornton I'd say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, let's get them out there for fifty snaps

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Speaker 1: and let's just get this kid ready to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think if things continue along this trajectory

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Speaker 1: of how they started. I don't expect that they will,

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Speaker 1: but generally, if they do, I'm all for getting Thornton

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Speaker 1: out there a SAP, Get Pierre Strong out there a SAP.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta start. I mean then I'm going

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Speaker 1: into full your mode. Get the kids in there. If

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Speaker 1: you don't have anything with these veteran group, if they're

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Speaker 1: not able to produce, you got to find out asap

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Speaker 1: with these guys. Get them out there right. The best

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Speaker 1: development of the twenty twenty one season was Mac Jones

502
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Speaker 1: played all the games and got invaluable experience. If you know,

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Speaker 1: you were able to do that in make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: So that was the best of both worlds. If you

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Speaker 1: are in a position where you're not in playoff contention,

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Speaker 1: you know, as you hit like the middle to end

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Speaker 1: of October, if it looks you're in trouble like you

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Speaker 1: need to find a way to make sure that Thornton

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Speaker 1: is playing. The two Jones boys are getting significant snaps

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Speaker 1: on defense. I have no problem with how they were used.

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Speaker 1: I'm not get a feetwet a little bit like that

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be They didn't need to be huge

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Speaker 1: parts of the defensive game plan on Sunday in their

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Speaker 1: first game. But I want to see them be involved,

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Speaker 1: you know, as we as we move along here and

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Speaker 1: if you fall out of it, I want them heavily involved.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go here. I'm assuming this is Chris

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Speaker 1: with A T, I A and Hey Christian, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, what's happening? Um? I just had a quick

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Speaker 1: question about I R and so is it still? Um?

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Speaker 1: You have two spots open for short short term eis

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Speaker 1: during the season? No? You have? Yeah, you have? What

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Speaker 1: is it now? What's the number? Is it? I thought

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Speaker 1: it was unlimited, wasn't it? I think it still? Did

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Speaker 1: they cap that again? I think it's like but I

526
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Speaker 1: think it's a high. Now I think it's eight or

527
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Speaker 1: something like that. But um, no, they have more than two.

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Speaker 1: So yes, if if time Montgomery physically can come back,

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Speaker 1: I think that he would be he would be able

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Speaker 1: to do so. Yes, So was it eight? Okay that's

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Speaker 1: what I thought? So say like the UM and I

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Speaker 1: remember with UM with like just like tough for example,

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Speaker 1: it would be the first six weeks and then you

534
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Speaker 1: had three weeks to activate him. How does it work

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Speaker 1: listen with the fourth term, ir like in weeks four, Like,

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Speaker 1: do you have to decide right then and there or

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Speaker 1: do you have like a couple of weeks to activate them.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of pleasing. No, he's eligible to return after

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Speaker 1: four games, but you don't have to have him returned. Wow, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's once he starts practicing, then you have

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Speaker 1: a week to activate him. The clock starts right, starts

542
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Speaker 1: for for I R I again, some of these things,

543
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Speaker 1: like Mike just said that sort of changed with COVID

544
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: back and forth. So yeah, I think it's Thanks Christian,

545
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Speaker 1: I think he can come. I think like Tae Kwon Thornton,

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Speaker 1: for example, I think would be able to start practicing,

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Speaker 1: he'd be eligible to start practicing heading into the Week

548
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Speaker 1: four game. Then he would have to sit out that

549
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Speaker 1: Week four game, and then the following week they would

550
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Speaker 1: have to make a decision if he if he did now,

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Speaker 1: if it's like week five, when I think you have

552
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Speaker 1: a week of practice before he would have to be

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Speaker 1: activated to the roster or not. I think. I love

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Speaker 1: this stuff though that came out of COVID with the

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Speaker 1: ability to have practice squad veterans, and I just it's

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Speaker 1: it's I think it's so much better the game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just love to being able to grab a Marcus

558
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Speaker 1: Cannon type. You know, I know, you know we talked

559
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Speaker 1: about him. But yeah, it's nothing to do with with

560
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Speaker 1: Marcus Can. I love the I R stuff. I'm totally

561
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Speaker 1: with you on that. I like the roster flexibility. I

562
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Speaker 1: don't think you need sixteen guys in the practice squad,

563
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Speaker 1: and I don't think you need you know, eight year

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Speaker 1: veterans on the practice squad. I think it should be

565
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Speaker 1: a smaller practice squad and you should have young players,

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Speaker 1: young developmental players on it. But it's not doesn't like

567
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Speaker 1: bug me or anything like that. More jobs for guys.

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Speaker 1: They chose to do it this way, and that's that.

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Speaker 1: I mean that, that's fine. Sixteen guys and you have

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Speaker 1: how many? Was there? Like four? Four veterans? Thanks? Four

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Speaker 1: or six? Yeah? Six veterans. All right, let's go down

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Speaker 1: to William, North Carolina. Hit William, what's going on? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks taking my calls, my once a decade call, and

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit nervous. I appreciate you taking it. No

575
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: need to be nervous, MIAs, Mike won't yell, it's just

576
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: the two of us, but he got the sports details

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Speaker 1: of the moment. I just wanted to say it struck

578
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Speaker 1: a chord yesterday when Alex and occasionally Paul says about

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Speaker 1: a difference they're making and you know, your career path

580
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Speaker 1: and choice, and I just I know you make a

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Speaker 1: hue and a lot of lives in my life, you know,

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Speaker 1: and my girls are born. And I was up in

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Speaker 1: and I can care of him. I listened to y'all.

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Speaker 1: You know, my dad and I visited there in the studio,

585
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Speaker 1: you know, when he was dying. I held his hand

586
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Speaker 1: and listened to y'all. And he don't make any difference

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Speaker 1: in a lot of lives. And I just would hope

588
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Speaker 1: that she is a young person, would not doubt the

589
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: past that she's considering going down the other size, will

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Speaker 1: pass that, pass it along to her for sure. Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we um you know, we're here. I'm

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00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: glad that we are here every week as we try

593
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Speaker 1: to try to have some fun. We try not to

594
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Speaker 1: make it too sa I know, just sports, right, people

595
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: people think, you know, like that I'm always arguing with somebody,

596
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: but it's not really meant to be like in Mike

597
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: will tell you there's never been a real argument. It's

598
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: always sports arguments. That's not the same thing. We always

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00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, have some fun and go back

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Speaker 1: and forth and then we make fun of each other

601
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: as soon as the show's all because we all do,

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00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: in general, get along very well generally, and that's why

603
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: the off season shows are the best. But yes, yes, thanks,

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00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: well you appreciate it. Yeah, it's funny. I feel like

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: I've evolved. I've evolved on this point. Um, you know,

606
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: like like now when we kind of I don't know,

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00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't chirp too

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00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: much at each other. Um, but now I just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Like before I would get

610
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Speaker 1: like a rush of blood and like where we go?

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Speaker 1: You know. Now I just kind of all right, say

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Speaker 1: my thing. Now you say you're guy, and you can

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Speaker 1: tell too when it's one of those that I'm just

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, all of a sudden, there's a

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Speaker 1: real one. And that's one that's when the push it away. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, listen, that's when Fred looks at me and

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Speaker 1: does the little eyebrow thing. Yeah, he got him, I

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Speaker 1: got him. Why I try not to do that too, up,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to give him what he wants. He's

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Speaker 1: very very calculating with with those things. Uh so yeah,

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Speaker 1: just update you guys too, you know, practice going to

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Speaker 1: go on and about ten minutes and we'll expect Evan

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Speaker 1: in after that give us a full report and then

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll pick his brain about his uh his film review.

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Speaker 1: A couple emails coming in. Phone lines are open though,

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Speaker 1: if you guys want to give us a call eight

627
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Speaker 1: five to five pats five hundred. UM. I thought this

628
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: one was interesting. Cody Moran right and in Um, Cody

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Speaker 1: from Cincinnati. I should say, hey, guys, doesn't even feel

630
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Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones is very dangerously utilized in New York.

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Speaker 1: They're constant is he runs for him and plays in

632
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Harm's Way, where he's taking a lot of hits. If

633
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Speaker 1: Mac were placed in the same position, we would be furious.

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Speaker 1: Why do you wow? Why did they do this to

635
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones if they thought he was their future? I

636
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: just thought Daniel Jones was an interesting guy this week

637
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: with um, you know, playing for Brian Dable and and

638
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: it seemed like everybody like statistically was all in love

639
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, but it didn't really seem like he

640
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: played all that hot. But in the in the game itself, yeah,

641
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: from what he was, he was up and down. I

642
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: think he did a great job of rallying the team

643
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: in the second half and overcoming a horrific interception that

644
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: he threw and leading a game winning drive. He made

645
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: some good plays. Now, the biggest play was sa Quon

646
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Barkley got free for a long run, which got him

647
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: look good fat he was. He was excellent in the game.

648
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: That's their offense. I mean we saw them, I mean

649
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: we saw them last summer, and their best plays were

650
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, at that point, sa Quon I think was

651
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: not healthy. He's still working his way back if he

652
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: was out there. But um, Pataniel Jones, that was like

653
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: the best play they had, which is quarterback keepers and

654
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: that was the Joe Judge down there. All right, let's

655
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: move on, m Patricia and judge. This is this is

656
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: stuffing from near Frankfurt, Germany. A patrician judge as old

657
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: line and QB coach don't only have to create and

658
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: install the game plan and call plays, they're affectively are

659
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: teachers teaching concepts and techniques. Maybe old line playing QB

660
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: performance are lacking because Patrician and Judge theoretically know how

661
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: to coach these skill positions, but aren't practically able to

662
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: correct flaws or coats every bit a performance out of

663
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: the players that they have. I'd like to know your

664
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: take on that theory, anything on that. It's just it's hard.

665
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: There's so much. They have, so much. I don't know

666
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: how to like parse it all out and say this

667
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: is you know what they're good at, this is what

668
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: It's just, it's it's all. It's just all you can

669
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: look at is the performance on the field. I feel

670
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: like and say the proof is in the pudding, and

671
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't tell you what's responsible in all

672
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: the individual details. Yeah, and I think that they've had issues.

673
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question. And I just wonder how

674
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: much of the issues are beyond football, Like, I just

675
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: wonder how much of it is mental in terms of

676
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: what they're doing. You know, either guys don't really understand

677
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: what they're doing well enough, or they don't believe in

678
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And that's like those are easy, cliche

679
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: talk radio things to say. And I'll be fully admitting

680
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: that there's no like, you can't tell me I'm wrong,

681
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you can't tell me I'm right. Like it's it's sort

682
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: of an abstract concept, like unless someone tells you, you

683
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: know what, Mike, we don't really know with the offensive linemen,

684
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: we don't really know what we're doing. That's not going

685
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: to happen. So it's just it's kind of a feeling

686
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: that you get from watching I wonder if it's a

687
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: combination of them not necessarily all being on the same

688
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: page with what they're actually doing, and then not really

689
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: understanding why they're doing it in the first place. Yeah,

690
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true, but I'm just wondering

691
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: if that's a problem, because if it is, it's way

692
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: worse than anything physical. I know, I know, and I'm

693
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: not wanted to walk down that road. Lightly, Like I

694
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: hold out hope or belief that you know that they've

695
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: got guys here that are tough competitors, and you know

696
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: that they're all gonna pull together for the same goal.

697
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, I gotta be honest, the way that

698
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: they played and the way that they've kind of looked

699
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: over the past few months, I just I don't know,

700
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what the what the I don't want

701
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: to say the investment level. That's maybe putting it a

702
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: little bit too extreme. But I just have concerns and

703
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is on the offensive

704
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: line and specifically on the edge of the offensive line.

705
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: But so far, the you know what we've seen, I mean,

706
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean maybe even the Carolina Panthers practice when there

707
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: was like the fight, like that was one of the

708
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: only moments I really felt like so far where it

709
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: felt like they were a fired up group ready to

710
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: kind of compete, you know, But I don't and I'll

711
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: I agree with you totally. I think you're right about that, um,

712
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: but even that, I'm going to use this like, Okay,

713
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: So it happened on Tuesday and there was a lot

714
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: of pushing in shoving and fighting, and then you know,

715
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: the coaches were like, all right, you got that out

716
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: of your systems, and then haven't happened the same way

717
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: again on Wednesday. It's like like an indication like are

718
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: they really listening or are they just doing what they're doing?

719
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: You know? And again, I know, the guy had the

720
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: big hit on Wilkerson and they responded to it. I

721
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with that. I was an uncompletely

722
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: cheap and unnecessary hit right on a practice field, and

723
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: they responded to it. So on the surface, I don't

724
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: think the players did anything wrong. But I'm just wondering

725
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: if maybe there was another indication of yeah, I know

726
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: what you said, coach, but we're gonna do this anyway. Yeah. Yeah,

727
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of a long lines from Todd and

728
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Greenfields just saying good day, gents. Is there a chance

729
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that Bill has lost his ability to relate to the players,

730
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: staff feels disconnected from the zeitgeist to the league. Bill

731
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Patrician and the rest of the coaches do not interview well,

732
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: just the thought zeitgeist league. I love that that phrase

733
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: would be right up Fred's allie to share that one

734
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: with him. I don't know if Bill. I mean, I've

735
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: always sort of felt like Bill has a communication issue,

736
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Like he's not, you know, the warmest and fuzziest guy,

737
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: but he's always sort of been able to get his

738
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: message across. I think his reputation as the ultimate successful coach,

739
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: the ultimate winner in the NFL helps that. And you

740
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: do wonder if maybe now you're bringing in guys that

741
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: weren't around for part of your success, And I wonder

742
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: if it's not as much buying because of it. You know,

743
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: you have Devin mccordy, you have Matthew Slater. Who else

744
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: is on the roster that won Super Bowl with the Patriots?

745
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Trent Brown was here in eighteen, he won a Super Bowl. Yeah,

746
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: it's probably not too many others right now. And I mean,

747
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: and part of that too, as you wonder, you know,

748
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: how much competitive fire do those guys have left too?

749
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: Like how much does Devin mccordy enjoying this right now?

750
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he likes playing football, clearly, but

751
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: it's a different team now. So even when the new

752
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: guys don't really know and the old guys, it's not

753
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: the same as it was. You know, that feeling hard,

754
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: hard to escape it, and it's like how old were

755
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: you kids when you know, just do it because I

756
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: said so, stop working? Yeah, right right? And that's and

757
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: that's why I think this weekend it's there's got to

758
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: be some success. They got to start to string something

759
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: together because it's you know, you can tell us through

760
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: the preseason, oh you know, we're figuring it out even

761
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: into meet week one, you know, all right, well, you

762
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: know it's the kind of an extension of the preseason.

763
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: But like at some point, we're just getting game after

764
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: game after game, we're seeing the same thing going back

765
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: to last year, and I go back to that quote

766
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: from Bill after the Bill's loss. Was this a bad

767
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: night or is this who we are? We'll find out

768
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: next year? Well through one game and the entire looks

769
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: so you're still entire offseason slash summer, you know, like

770
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: this is what they look like. Let's go back over

771
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: here another one. Uh yeah. Keenan writing in I'm so

772
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: worried about Mac. So many people believe the Patriots have

773
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: their guy in Mac Jones, but I would say since

774
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: the first Buffalo game last year in the Wind, he

775
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: has done more to convince me that he is not

776
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: the guy in the future. Although the first game against

777
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo resulted in a winn, it really bothered me that

778
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't trusted to throw the ball three times. And

779
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: since that game, he hasn't done anything to convince me

780
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: that he is nothing more than a quarterback cable of

781
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: beating up on some bad teams. I still have hope

782
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: for him, but I'm starting to lean towards him not

783
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: being the answer at QB. If Matt Jones has another

784
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: year where he beats up on bad teams but struggles

785
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: against good teams or even teams on the same level

786
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: as the Patriots, would you consider using a high round

787
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: draft pick on the QB next year? Should we save

788
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: this one? Yeah, we're gonna table that one for I'm

789
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: gonna say early November. But I did throw that out

790
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: there today as a complete and total hypothetical to our boys,

791
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: our group. Just if they don't have a good season

792
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: and you know you're out of the playoff hunt in

793
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: November and you're sort of in line for a say

794
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: a top five, top ten draft pick, would you use

795
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: that first round pick on a quarterback? And I don't

796
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: think it's an easy answer. Now, you definitely need the

797
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: whole this whole season of view, and you need to

798
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: marinate over the whole year, and even then with the

799
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: amount of needs that they have, I mean, you're you're

800
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right about the quarterback. You got to

801
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: get the quarterback, and when you get a chance to

802
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: pick one up there, you got to get one. But

803
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: there are a lot of needs too, So you know,

804
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: I mean, if someone looking for that pick and you

805
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: can fill four or five needs with it, as opposed

806
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: to taken one guy too that there's a lot of

807
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: different things that play, But in terms of MAC, I

808
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I'm in the middle, and I

809
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: feel like I've been in the middle on MAC from

810
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: the start. You know, based on what I've seen, I

811
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: think he can play. I've never ever said he stinks.

812
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: I've never said that he's not the answer. I've also

813
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: never said I'm completely convinced that he's the franchise guy

814
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: moving forward. I feel like I'm in the middle, very

815
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 1: wishy washy, very abnormal place for me to be played

816
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: one year. I mean it's not, but it's a very

817
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: strange place for me to be in. But the guy's right,

818
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: the email is right. I think if you ask the

819
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: vast majority of Patriots fans and the vast callers to

820
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: talk radio, they'll tell you that the quarterback is not

821
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: the problem. He's the guy, and he's being set up

822
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: to fail by the offensive structure. I am not convinced

823
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: that that's the case. I'm not convinced that he's a bum,

824
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not convinced that this is all because of

825
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. I think he needs to

826
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: play better. I think he looks to me like a

827
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: guy who can be fine when all the pieces are

828
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: in place, when he's getting protected, when guys are popping open,

829
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: and he has a full compliment of guys that maybe,

830
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, against a defense that's not talented enough, then

831
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: I think he's fine. He's showed he showed me the

832
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: ability that he can do that. But he has yet

833
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: to show me the ability that when a play is

834
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: breaking down and they're down two scores in the middle

835
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, that he can do enough to

836
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: rise the team above all the bad stuff that's going

837
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: on and overcome it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I

838
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to undercut anything Evan did, but

839
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: but I didn't watch some of the All twenty two

840
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: myself last night. It's just frustrating for me. Paul, I'm

841
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: out number. It's just that when he's he's not taken

842
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: the gimmes, you know, or or it seems to me

843
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: like there are guys open downfield. There are windows downfield

844
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: at times, and I'm not going to tell you that that.

845
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: Look at all the guys that were open but I

846
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,080
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Speaker 1: And Now Great Moments in History. M Burton, Burton Island says,

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Speaker 1: now I've heard it all, Lady Gaga should get an

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Speaker 1: Academy Award because Fred Kirsh didn't know it was Lady Gaga.

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Speaker 1: That that was a good one. When you put it

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Speaker 1: like that, she was unrecognizable even look like her hair.

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Speaker 1: Give the Oscar to the makeup artist, you know what

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Speaker 1: I need? Not really, he was immersed in the in

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Speaker 1: the character. I didn't realize it was her. Yeah, what's

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Speaker 1: uh what Philip? He was a good one where yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the same guy, but it just rolled brought something

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Speaker 1: kind of different to it that just it never took

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Speaker 1: me out of it. But he was never Oscar worthy

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Speaker 1: because I always knew it was Philip. I know, we know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I was in the bids. So these rooms

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Speaker 1: over here, what Douce just said, made made perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: With your experience on the stage, I would assume you

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Speaker 1: would you would know what I'm talking about. I do

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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Did you recognize de Niro? Oh? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: because he looked He looked a little bit different too.

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Speaker 1: She's now, but it's de Niro. It was just a part,

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Speaker 1: like you would, I understand what your point is, Adam

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Speaker 1: and the other one driver. You know it's Adam Driver.

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Speaker 1: People can't see you, Fred, you're doing uh prominent SnO,

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Speaker 1: but that's another great moment from I think the Lady

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Speaker 1: Gaga's a little bit of a unique example, Paul, because

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Speaker 1: she's always dressed in crazy outfits. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if I could really recognize her like on

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Speaker 1: the street, like Lady Gaga. So when you put her

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Speaker 1: up in a movie, I kind of get why. Fred,

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Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't didn't get Lady Gaga. No, but I

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Speaker 1: just didn't understand. There's a lot of people that are

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Speaker 1: in movies and you're like, wow, you don't even recognize

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Speaker 1: that they don't look like themselves. I didn't get his

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Speaker 1: fixation with that mentor was a great performance, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, that's one of those moments in p OH.

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Speaker 1: I almost called it PFW progress history used to be Well,

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Speaker 1: the man is here, Evan Lazarre. But I think maybe

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Speaker 1: should we play the mic has returned from practice, just

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Speaker 1: for old time's sake perhaps, and uh, you know, just

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Speaker 1: to set the stage. Evan. All right, So Evan, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole theme song. Talented listeners. Uh, thank you

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Speaker 1: for God. What were their news out here? To put

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Speaker 1: them to get him? Blanking um Blue new Hampshire, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jill new Hampshire. That's right. So Evan, you're back, you're

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Speaker 1: out of practice, you've been watching the film. We've missed you.

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Speaker 1: We're excited to get some of your analysis here. Um.

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Speaker 1: But let's let's start with the first things. First practice,

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Speaker 1: what's going on out there? Mac Jones at Patriots practice today.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's really surprising that we got to

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Speaker 1: see him very short window here today. I think we

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Speaker 1: were out there for maybe ten total minutes if that,

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Speaker 1: so we didn't see him move around much, and they

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Speaker 1: cut us off right as after stretching, so not a

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Speaker 1: whole lot to glean about how he was moving or

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Speaker 1: how he looked out there. But Mac Jones is out there.

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Speaker 1: They actually had perfect attendance on the fifty three man roster,

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Speaker 1: which means Adrian Phillips was also out there who got

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Speaker 1: injured during in the Miami game as well, So good

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Speaker 1: attendance for the Patriots. Again. Didn't get to actually see

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Speaker 1: them do much today, so maybe tomorrow we'll get to

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Speaker 1: see Mac move around a little bit more. All right, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we got an hour left, and I want

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Speaker 1: to go through this like piece by piece because I

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Speaker 1: know that you're probably like a damn just ready to

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Speaker 1: burst and just like unleash, like ten straight minutes of analysis.

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Speaker 1: Not as here, but you know, there's so much to

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Speaker 1: digest from the first game, and we haven't talked to

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Speaker 1: you here in a couple of weeks. So thanks COVID,

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Speaker 1: let's say, can we allowed to let that out? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Evan on the reserve COVID nineteen list, you're allowed. We

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Speaker 1: just didn't because fair enough got a little little bit

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Speaker 1: of this, a little bit of the cold, some secrets,

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Speaker 1: but not that he's fine. You've been reading all his writing,

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Speaker 1: he's been he's been still knee deep in it as always,

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Speaker 1: but um, you know, just generally, let's just just start

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Speaker 1: at the very very top and generally, you know, watching

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Speaker 1: the game again and then all too twenty two and

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Speaker 1: breaking it down, you know what, what did you kind

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Speaker 1: of come away just because I know you watch it

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Speaker 1: for your opinion and you're not you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: follow storylines. You just you know, come away with what

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Speaker 1: you think. So, you know what, we're just kind of

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Speaker 1: a couple of the headlines that you came away from. Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to start on a positive note because I

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Speaker 1: think that's that's the way. It's the stage that we

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Speaker 1: that we wanted to, you know, set the stage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought this was looking back on it and watching

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Speaker 1: the game back, A good game for the Patriots defensive front.

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Speaker 1: They played the run pretty well, they got after to

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Speaker 1: Uh He's a quarterback that, as you see, especially as

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Speaker 1: the game wears on, pressure really affects it him and

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Speaker 1: his accuracy down the field. And I actually thought I

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Speaker 1: wanted to watch this game. And I go in with

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Speaker 1: no priors or nothing, but I really did want to

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Speaker 1: watch this particular game and say, wow, what a great

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Speaker 1: performance by the Patriots secondary. This secondary minus Jacy Jackson,

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Speaker 1: minus Stefan Gilmour, if you want to include him, went

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Speaker 1: out there and stopped a really talented group of skill

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Speaker 1: players for Miami. I didn't come away with that takeaway.

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Speaker 1: I came away with the fact that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the downfield opportunities that Miami might have had in the

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Speaker 1: game were taken away by the pressure upfront. So still positive,

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Speaker 1: right that the pressure was the one that impacted the

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Speaker 1: game a little bit more. Dietrich wise had a great

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Speaker 1: game led the team before QB pressures. Matthew Judon was

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Speaker 1: in the backfield quite a bit as well, so I

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Speaker 1: thought that was a positive. I think then one thing

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Speaker 1: and we're probably just secked the offense and talk about

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Speaker 1: it for the next fifty six minutes or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: But I think the one thing that I came away

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Speaker 1: with offensively more so, I don't like to harp too

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Speaker 1: much on personnel and all. They don't have the talent,

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Speaker 1: they don't have the skill whatever, because they're not going

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Speaker 1: to go out and make some big trade and trade

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Speaker 1: for Justin Jefferson tomorrow and have this great wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: So the personnel is what it is. I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing that I came away from that game was

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Speaker 1: the stagnation of the offense where there's nothing happening pre snap,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing happening post snap in terms of fakes, play action, RPO,

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Speaker 1: anything like that, and you're playing straight up football. So

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Speaker 1: you are either under center turning around and handing the

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Speaker 1: ball off to Damien Harris or mondre Stevenson or tossing

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Speaker 1: it out to them, or you're in shotgun spread. Let's

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Speaker 1: spread the field and go by. Looking at the other

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Speaker 1: side of the tape. When you get into Miami, you

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Speaker 1: see motion. You see seventeen play action dropbacks for Tua.

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Speaker 1: You see Tyree Hill coming across the formation and out

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Speaker 1: the other side, you see a little dancing in the

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Speaker 1: backfield and jet sweeps, end a rounds, things like that.

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Speaker 1: And the Patriots just did none of that. And I

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Speaker 1: just don't know if you're going to be a successful

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Speaker 1: offense without having dominant skill players. Like a team that

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Speaker 1: was like that was the early two thousands Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 1: with Payton. They would play eleven personnel. They'd line up

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Speaker 1: and they'd say, we're just better than you. We have

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison over here, we have Reggie Wayne over there,

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Speaker 1: we have Peyton at quarterback. We're just better than you.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots don't have the kind of talent to just

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Speaker 1: be better like that. They have to dress it up

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. So, I mean, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like this, I don't want to say the word remedial offense,

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Speaker 1: but it just seems like I also don't want to

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Speaker 1: say that they just pulled it from Madden, but I

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Speaker 1: mean it does this seem like two guys who don't

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Speaker 1: really know what they're doing trying to come up with

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Speaker 1: enough NFL offense. I don't know where the number one

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Speaker 1: issue is here with that, because I think the easy

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Speaker 1: answer is to say they have two guys that don't

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Speaker 1: no offense inside and out like Josh McDaniels does, or

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Speaker 1: even a Mike McDaniel on the other side on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think all offseason and

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Speaker 1: all training camp as well preseason, we kept on here

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Speaker 1: that the Patriots were simplifying the offense. They were streamlining

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Speaker 1: it is how Bill Belichick put it in a good way,

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Speaker 1: like they did they streamlined it too much. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's the honest question because with McDaniels, and I know

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Speaker 1: people had some nitpicks with McDaniels as well, but on

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Speaker 1: the whole with McDaniels, creativity was extremely high. Some of

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Speaker 1: the different quarks or tricks that they used with motion,

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Speaker 1: with play action to try to gain leverage for receivers,

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Speaker 1: to try to get open receivers on the move, things

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Speaker 1: like that. We're always very, very good, and in this

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Speaker 1: game it was just very staggnant. I called it after

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Speaker 1: the game unimaginative, and that's the way that I looked

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Speaker 1: at this. And again, unless you're the two thousand, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three Indianapolis Colts, you cannot just line up

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Speaker 1: in one two personnel groupings two tight end and eleven

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Speaker 1: and just run plays against an NFL defense that's good

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Speaker 1: like Miami and expect to score forty points like it's

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Speaker 1: just not gonna work. We have a surprise new guest,

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Speaker 1: um Well, I'll protect your ennemy, Fred Kay joining the show.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know, before Fred jumps

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Speaker 1: in and gives us his thoughts too, um Is, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to disappoint most people who I thought I felt

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Speaker 1: would probably waiting for Evan to come in and tell

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01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: you how wrong Paul was about everything. But Evan, I

1262
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: want to commend you for having a very for having

1263
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: a very similar takeaway from the entirety of the game

1264
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: as Mike and I did. Yeah, because I think Mike,

1265
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: you and I were we watched enough. Yeah, So sorry,

1266
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: far as Felger would say, sorry, I would love to

1267
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: go on the tape and be like, oh wow, this

1268
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: actually wasn't This was better than I thought that. I

1269
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: would love to look at the offensive I heard that once.

1270
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: I heard it fifteen times Monday morning. It was as

1271
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: bad as I thought. They moved the Paul better than

1272
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: I thought. It was worse than what were you watching? Well,

1273
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, though, I mean, how many

1274
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: instances were there that you felt like Mac just wasn't

1275
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: seeing it and didn't hit the play like it could

1276
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: have potentially had. I would say three or four times.

1277
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: And the main thing that I saw about what he

1278
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: wasn't seeing was, you know, they're trying to attack a

1279
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: certain area of the defense. And this is what I

1280
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: thought was concerning gone Mac and I wrote about it

1281
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: in my film review, is that last year you never

1282
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: saw him read the coverage incorrectly very often. He's a

1283
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: very cerebral quarterback. The one thing that he definitely can

1284
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: hang his hat on is his mental capabilities. And he

1285
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: never really saw too many instances like I could probably

1286
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: count like one or two plays a game where I

1287
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 1: said I probably didn't read it out correctly. There in

1288
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: this game, there was a lot of instances of that,

1289
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: And I think that that has nothing to do with

1290
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: Mac regressing. It's I think more just comfortable level and

1291
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: understanding what's going on around him. And there's a couple

1292
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: of different throws I highlighted in that piece where they're

1293
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: trying to high low defender in the middle of the

1294
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: field and he throws it outside the numbers, or they're

1295
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: trying to do some different things to get guys open.

1296
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: But I think the main thing you saw was, look,

1297
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: it was a handful of plays they basically cycled through

1298
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: like Okay, we're gonna run this play four times, we're

1299
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna run this play, we're gonna run this play, We're

1300
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna run this play, and kind of like put them

1301
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: in buckets, right, and then he just kept on cycling

1302
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: through those same plays. I mean, I can't tell you

1303
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: how many times I saw them run what I would

1304
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: call like branch like the vertical on the outside with

1305
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: it out underneath it. They ran that play a dozen

1306
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: times on Sunday, And that's just not the Patriots offense, Like,

1307
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: that's not what we're used to seeing. We're used to

1308
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: seeing so much more, just a wider berth of things

1309
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: at their disposal, and that's not what we got. Pred

1310
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: I came down to just here to be educated. I

1311
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: thought you were coming in hot with them. I did

1312
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: that for yesterday. Yeah, there's a difference. You learned me something.

1313
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: So Evan, who is our guy who really watches the tape? Right,

1314
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure as have you? Have you been the show

1315
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: the whole show or did you come from Oh you

1316
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: just came in good. So I didn't miss much. Um,

1317
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: how disrespectful to us. So he didn't learn anything yesterday

1318
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: and just staying on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah,

1319
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: how did you feel the line played? Because I hear

1320
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying it's not Max's fault, it's

1321
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: the old line. You know, how did you feel the

1322
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: line played? So there were definitely obviously we know what

1323
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: the strip sack. There was another sack where it was

1324
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: ag Buddis came unblocked up the middle. Those types of

1325
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: plays did happen a few too many times from my liking.

1326
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: But when you actually go ahead and watch it and

1327
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: start to tally pressures or like what PFF does when

1328
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: they attract quarterback pressures and things like that. It didn't

1329
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: like amass to that many. But I think what the

1330
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: biggest problem was was that there were instances where Mac

1331
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: was sensing it or feeling the pressure more so. And

1332
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was seeing ghosts or anything like that.

1333
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: It's just like guys were getting beating a little bit right,

1334
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: like you have something right like coming a little bit

1335
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: off the edge or it's a stunt, and you know,

1336
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: they twisted up front and Cole Strange and Trent Brown

1337
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: are picking it up on the left side and it

1338
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: gets picked up, but it doesn't get picked up right like.

1339
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: It's not like those guys gets stopped in their tracks.

1340
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: And that's when the quarterback is going to start to

1341
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: be a little bit skittish in the pocket and feel

1342
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: it a little bit. And I think, you know, the

1343
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: numbers bear this out. The amount of times that Mac

1344
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: had to get the ball out of his hands was

1345
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: too often, and he didn't have that ability to stand

1346
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: in the pocket for three three and a half seconds

1347
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: and really scan the field. And I'm not saying that

1348
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: there were a ton of open receivers that he missed either.

1349
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: But I think that you have to have some more

1350
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: trust or some more continuity on the offensive line to

1351
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: allow him to kind of stand there a little bit more,

1352
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: because there was too many times where he you know,

1353
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: I kind of feel it over here on the left,

1354
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: I kind of feel it over here on the right.

1355
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily like guys were running through, but you

1356
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: just see sort of little inklings of Okay, this is

1357
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: what he's sensing, this is what he's feeling. Yeah, so

1358
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: it's it's I was like, it's kind of on both ends.

1359
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, like Mac could do a better job just

1360
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: moving slightly in the pocket, giving himself more time, and

1361
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: then like you said, you know the line just you know,

1362
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: just keeping it a little bit more clean. But it's

1363
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: never going to be perfect. I mean this like rarely,

1364
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,440
Speaker 1: when when you do see that perfect pocket, the announces

1365
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: always picking look at that pocket, because it doesn't always

1366
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: happen on every play. In fact, it's rare. Yeah, you know,

1367
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: I think like where I'm stuck living right now, and

1368
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: even more so after you know, hearing your observations, it's

1369
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: just you know, I think there's two parts of Mac

1370
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: getting comfortable and Mac you know, learning to trust his

1371
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: pocket presence and you know subtle things that we saw

1372
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: last year where you just seemed to be able to

1373
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: take that nice little step to the left and make

1374
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: a play. But I also wonder like, even if he

1375
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: gets to that level of comfort, is this an offense

1376
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: that is going to work at the NFL level even

1377
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: if he's executing it at at a high level. And

1378
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: a b part to that is are they laying some

1379
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of foundation where you could say, well, they can't

1380
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: do it yet, Well, that's the thing. Are they gonna

1381
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: get Are they going to start to add to this

1382
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: and become more diverse as far as there see Patriots

1383
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: fans don't want to hear we're using the season as

1384
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: a way to grow, but that could be in fact

1385
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: what they're doing. But there's always an element of finding

1386
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: your identity, and you know it doesn't have to be

1387
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: always so extreme one way or the other, but you know,

1388
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: is there an identity to be found within this scheme

1389
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: that they're trying to perform And it just doesn't seem

1390
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: very layered. It doesn't seem very much like like I mean,

1391
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: to your point saying you can. You can do that

1392
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: simple stuff when you have the athletes in pure speed

1393
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: and athleticism to beat guys. But what you had last

1394
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: year was Josh McDaniel's ability to use your elements and

1395
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: have trick plays and little and motion and we're constantly

1396
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: spinning the dial on offense and keeping and that's such

1397
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: a big element of making successful. Now we're seeing these

1398
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: guys who and I still feel like they're underachieving. I mean,

1399
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: we talked about that yesterday. It still feels like this

1400
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: group of weapons is and what say, what you're called stink? Yeah,

1401
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they sink. Think they have any playmakers.

1402
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: They don't have any dynamic playmakers. No, but but I

1403
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: think they're average. I don't think they have full steps either.

1404
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: That's stinking. Yeah. I think they have representative players. They're

1405
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: middling kind of wide receivers. They have a bunch of threes. Yeah.

1406
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: I'll sound like a broken record with this all season

1407
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's going to change based off

1408
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: of what we've seen. If they add some what I

1409
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: would call like tools to the play design, right, like

1410
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: motion or play action or RPO or some sort of

1411
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: trick or bell or whistle to what they're doing currently,

1412
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: then I can start to get behind it. And I

1413
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: think what you look at with the Dolphins is I'm

1414
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: watching the Dolphins save this is Mike McDaniel. He's a

1415
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: rookie head coach. He's young, he's not an experienced coach.

1416
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: And at that in the very first game that he

1417
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: is coaching as a head coach in the NFL, and

1418
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: the very first game that all these Miami Dolphins are

1419
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: playing in offensively to a first game with Mike McDaniel

1420
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: and so on and so far. I mean Twa and

1421
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: Tyreek playing for the first time together in an NFL game,

1422
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: and there was just so much more complexity to what

1423
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: they were doing. And you see the impact that that

1424
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: has on the defenders, Like, okay, so you have jet

1425
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: motion coming across, then there's a play action fake and

1426
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: now we gotta get to our spots and be in

1427
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: the right place defensively. That's a lot of window dressing

1428
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: to dissect for the defense, Whereas with the Patriots, it's

1429
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: just there's two receivers over here. There's two receivers over here,

1430
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: everybody go up the field. That's a lot easier to dissect.

1431
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: And you see with the Patriots defense, you see linebackers,

1432
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: You see their safeties have to get wide because of

1433
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: the jet motion and the other things they were doing

1434
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: pre snap, and all of a sudden, there's just a

1435
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: lot more going on for the defense to account for,

1436
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,839
Speaker 1: and the openings, the passing windows are so much larger

1437
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: because guys are getting pulled in different directions by different tricks,

1438
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: by different tools that Mike Vick Daniel has its exposal.

1439
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: So Matt Patricia Joe Judge might be newer offensive coaches.

1440
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel isn't. But he's a new head coach. And

1441
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: yet in Week one, game one, Miami is already doing

1442
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: all these things. And honestly, I don't think two is

1443
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: that great of a quarterback, but he's able to almost

1444
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: throw for three hundred yards against the Patriots because he's

1445
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: getting all this help and because he has Tyrek Hill,

1446
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: which is obviously very ill. That said, what was your

1447
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: overall impression of the Patriots defense? I thought their front

1448
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: was good. I got the secondary got bailed out a

1449
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: few times by the front. I think what you saw

1450
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: out of the secondary, though, that I did like, was

1451
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: their ability to mix and match coverage, so they were

1452
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: not just playing man or just playing zone. They were

1453
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: able to mix and match and go back and forth

1454
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: it they rotate the safeties a little. I think that

1455
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: hurt them a little with Adrian Phillips going out. I

1456
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: think there was a bigger plan to be a little

1457
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: bit more multiple on the back end that they weren't

1458
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: able to do because Adrian Phillips gets injured. But I

1459
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: did like the ability to disguise, and I think that

1460
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: this group kind of like the offense, like you don't

1461
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: have Stefan Gilmore and jac Jackson and Jason McCardy out

1462
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: there anymore or so you have to be able to

1463
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: be a little bit smoke in mirrors, and I thought

1464
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: they had that sequencing going. I am so not concerned

1465
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: about the coaching on defense. Like the coaching on defense

1466
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: look sound. They look like a Patriot defense on tape

1467
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: for the most part. Yeah, there's some one on one

1468
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: matchups that obviously Tyree Hill is going to get his

1469
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna get open sometimes. Jaylen wall is a really

1470
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: fast guy too, so he's gonna get some separation. But

1471
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, they look like they are in

1472
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: rhythm with each other dad. I think is another positive

1473
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: that you can take away is I think, you know,

1474
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: Bill Steve gard Mayo, like they still have that group

1475
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: playing at a pretty well connected and high level. Yeah yeah,

1476
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: it would you say, kind of zone really down similar

1477
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: they're playing cover three and then little man stuff and yeah, yeah,

1478
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: there was a lot of man coverage on third down.

1479
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: They ended up playing twenty four snaps in zone and

1480
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: eleven snaps in man. So and that's past attempts, I

1481
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: should say. So eventually they did play some man. But

1482
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: that was a similar sequence think to what we saw

1483
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: down in the stretch last year. And I know people

1484
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: are gonna say, oh, well, they stunk down the stretch

1485
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: last year, but during the seven game win streak, changing

1486
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: to that type of balance was really what got the

1487
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: defense going. It faded, but hopefully you can tap back

1488
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: into that winning streak and how the defense was playing

1489
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: then and that's what it was. And I think that

1490
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: that's a good identification by the coaching staff because we've

1491
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: ragged on them quite a bit already. That's when Bill

1492
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: took it over, yea, that it gave him beat. It's

1493
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: a good thing for the coaching staff to recognize Okay,

1494
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: we don't have the man coverage guys that we had

1495
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. To play man you know,

1496
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: sixty percent of the time, that's not going to work

1497
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: with this group. So they've changed and evolved to more

1498
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: zone coverages. Off the beaten topic for the group, I mean,

1499
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: do you think the least going in the direction where

1500
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: you just can't get enough cornerbacks to match up with

1501
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: the amount of weapons the teams have in this league?

1502
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that there's more of and

1503
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 1: I know Staley and that kind of stuff is played

1504
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: into a little bit. Do you think, like, I mean,

1505
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: it's this part of a conscious decision to say we

1506
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: can't try to just simply be a man team. We

1507
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: need to probably play more zone and man in certain spots.

1508
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like there's just so

1509
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: many teams where I don't know who can match up

1510
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: with feeling and justin Jeffers like, who what team out

1511
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: there is? Like, oh yeah, we got two great corners

1512
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: for that in our third corner. You know, like it

1513
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: seems like that might be a direction that the league

1514
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: is going. Generally, it's getting tough. I mean, but in

1515
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: ten years, you know, God willing, we're all still around,

1516
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: we might be saying, Wow, the NFL has really shut

1517
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: down the pass. They figured it out, coaches have figured

1518
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, like it goes in cycles, yea, And right

1519
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: now we're in a past happy cycle and the rules

1520
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: have been changed to promote that, and you know everything's

1521
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: leaning toward that. But you know who knows? Yeah, well,

1522
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta take it. Let's take this call

1523
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: from Elder real quick. He says, he's gonna say, but

1524
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: Paula might can't. So, Hailder, what's going on? What do

1525
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: you got, hey, doll, how y'all doing today? Good? H

1526
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: I'll watched the game too, I had to watch on films.

1527
01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: I'd blacked out. What y'all Kate saying is for the team?

1528
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: All this a GM Bill and Evans just proved the

1529
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: point about officeive coordinator. The desk was the problem is,

1530
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: you know, and plus madness a problem too. You missed

1531
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: some miss some plays, some throws. But you can't do

1532
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: that if you were about getting your bell rung all

1533
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: the time. Last year, our strength was our offensive line.

1534
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: But you got rid of Mason and you got rid

1535
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: of Carressed. Did you get the strange and you got

1536
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: these these other guy on the guard side and it's

1537
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: when you and then, like I said, it's no no trust,

1538
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,959
Speaker 1: no bund there yet. Plus you don't have an officersive

1539
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: line or coordinator that's worked the line because you got

1540
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia gonna call plays and he can't do both

1541
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: of the work the line and straighten out strange or

1542
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: tell Brown what's wrong or whoever. So the problem is

1543
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: the head office. And if you know Matt, if you

1544
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: know but Daniel was leaving, you should have got oldt

1545
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: coordinator and then you have somebody training under them. And

1546
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't see why the devil you don't get that

1547
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: boy shot at least least don't about outfit, maybe about

1548
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: moving emotions and play the stuff like that better than

1549
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Jod. But like I said, it all

1550
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: goes on feel. And if I can't see, I'm gonna

1551
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: win my bit, get rid of maybe Biggie dropping bombs

1552
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: as usual. Thanks Eldred, All right, yeah, yeah, I mean

1553
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: Bill said, ultimately it's on me. Well before you came in, Fred,

1554
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: I know that you didn't really care about anything until

1555
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: practice was over. But um, we were talking about Kendrick

1556
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: Bourne because you said you didn't miss anything, and because

1557
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: Evan just got here the rocket shot you took it.

1558
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: Me and Mike very very hurt, right, very very hurt.

1559
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 1: I meant that I didn't miss anything that Evan said, right,

1560
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 1: It was very defensive, right, and Mike and Mike and

1561
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: I are very hurt. I didn't even want to read

1562
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: you guys. I know what you feel from Yester. But

1563
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: we were talking about the bill responsibility, and I took

1564
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: a little exception with the whole Kendrick Bourne thing. Tom

1565
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: Curran's report, which I give him all the props in

1566
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: the world for being the guy who actually came out

1567
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: with something at least definitive. I'm not telling you why

1568
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,560
Speaker 1: he didn't play snaps on Sunday, but something definitive is

1569
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: to something that happened. Problem. Yeah, you know, of course

1570
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: everybody already knew that based on Twitter because they all

1571
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: immediately right, you know. But but good for Tom Current

1572
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: for actually reporting it. And he sort of indicated that

1573
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: it's Patricia and Borne budding heads. And that's where I

1574
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: take a step back, and it's like that very mill

1575
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: well could be the case, they might not be getting

1576
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 1: along or whatever, but don't tell me that's why Kendrick

1577
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: Bourne played two snaps on Sunday, because if Bill wanted

1578
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: it another way. Bill has told us many times this summer,

1579
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: don't worry about play calls, don't worry about the process,

1580
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: don't worry about this, that and the other thing. It's

1581
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: ultimately all on me. Then I'm responsible for it all.

1582
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: It all falls on my shoulders. So when a guy

1583
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: doesn't play in a game, he plays two, Bill has

1584
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: to sign off. That's Bill, that's not Matt Patricia. Don't

1585
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: blame it like this is exactly what we said all offseason.

1586
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: Everything that goes wrong with this team is going to

1587
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: fall on Maddie p and Joe Judge. And that's not fair.

1588
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: It's all Bill. Bill set it up this way, and

1589
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: Bill teld you give the blame to him, right, So

1590
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: now that it's happening, be consistent. Yeah, you know, I

1591
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: don't know if Kern was just stating a fact or

1592
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: at least what he heard. Right. He wasn't saying, oh,

1593
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: it's Maddie's fault or anything. I think, but you've seen

1594
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: how it's been been taken. Oh right, absolutely, Yeah, that's

1595
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: not what Kern was saying though, But that's how it

1596
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: was interpreted that no, no, no, and I give I'd

1597
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: be rich if I had a nickel for every time

1598
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: I read this Morning Up. Patricia did the same thing

1599
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: with Malcolm Butler. You know, he didn't like he had

1600
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: a problem with Butler, and he didn't let him play.

1601
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: And now he's got a problem with um. Which is

1602
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: why I make my born in mynocky comments of when

1603
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: Evan's talking about the seven game winning s Jake lad No, no, no,

1604
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: that's when Bill took over the defense from them. But

1605
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: and then you know on day after Christmas, when they

1606
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: didn't force a punt from Buffalo, he gave it back

1607
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: to them. He thought they'd had it fixed. But in

1608
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: both those occasions, if you thought, you know, even if

1609
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: Patricia said Bill, I don't think that Malcolm Butler should play,

1610
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: if Bill didn't agree with that, Malcolm Butler would have

1611
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 1: been playing. You know, Bill has to sign off on it. No,

1612
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: it's just an easy way to put everything on Matt

1613
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: Patricia or on somebody other than Bill. Yeah, and he's

1614
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: the head coach, he's ultimately you know, the Broncos to me,

1615
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: had a complete meltdown Monday night with the way that

1616
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: they handled the last minute. If that was the Patriots,

1617
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 1: it would be mat Patricia's fault. Right, He's the offensive coordinator,

1618
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 1: He's the one to go No, it's the head coach

1619
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: who's dictating what you're doing. Now. I know Nathaniel Hackett

1620
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: is calling them. I understand the differences, but he's the

1621
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: head coach. He's deciding what you're doing. Right, He's the

1622
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: one who said no, no no, no, we're gonna go for

1623
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: the sixty four yard field goal. Yet not the offensive coordinator,

1624
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 1: not the wide receivers coach, on the offensive line coach,

1625
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. That's I mean, that's why

1626
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: they get paid a lot of money. There's only thirty

1627
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,480
Speaker 1: two of them, right, they get a lot of responsibility

1628
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: and they have to take the credit and the blame.

1629
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: And the other part of the report too, was that

1630
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: that mister Kraft noticed it. I forget how they worded

1631
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: it exactly like he took made it like really like

1632
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just remember in training camp. I

1633
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: think we were doing the show up on the ramps

1634
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 1: during Carolina joint practices and we laid out the Kendrick

1635
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: Boorne timeline. Yeah, all the things that had gone on,

1636
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: and we didn't even know about the showing up that

1637
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: was to break out, right, We didn't even know about

1638
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 1: that yet. And we were because at that time we

1639
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: were seeing Kendrick Boorne rep as the fourth receiver on

1640
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: the depth chart, and all of us were writing and

1641
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: talking about why is Kendrick Borne falling down the depth chart?

1642
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: And now Tom Kerrn reports that there's also a late

1643
01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: meeting or whatever it was on game day and this

1644
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: has been going on. My point is this has been

1645
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: going on for a lot longer than just Sunday, Like,

1646
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: this has been going on for weeks, and we saw

1647
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: in training camp he was not a big part of it.

1648
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: In training camp he was down on the depth chart then.

1649
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I agree with it, but

1650
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that if you read all of the

1651
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: between the lines, this is not new with Kendrick Bourne,

1652
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: that he is not a major part of their offense.

1653
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: He had a very quiet training camp. He was repping

1654
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: a lot with like the one bees right, the four string,

1655
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: fist string guys in terms of the wide receiver group.

1656
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: And here we are he's not a big part of

1657
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: the offense. I mean, what does it say about him

1658
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 1: as it like that he can't get this remedial offense,

1659
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: like like I mean, is he just No, I don't think.

1660
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: I think he thinks he knows the offense better than

1661
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: they do. This is his offense in theory. Who born

1662
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: you mean? Yeah, because when you're not talking about Cisco No, No,

1663
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I don't know if it was current

1664
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: story or something I read it. It wasn't that he

1665
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: didn't get it. He wasn't targeted or no. Yeah, he

1666
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: wasn't on board with how they were installing it, how

1667
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: they were going about it. That's what I'm saying. He

1668
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: knows it better than they he feels he does, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, again,

1669
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: like Evan said, I'm not telling you that's what it is, right,

1670
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that's the problem. Yeah, So I

1671
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's well, the other part that we said, uh,

1672
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: Freddie at the beginning was now you like watch how

1673
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: this unfolds, you know, Mike brings up Robert evidently said,

1674
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, took note of it. So I'm assuming that

1675
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bolle is gonna be a bigger party in the

1676
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: owner's box with no question mark question mark question mark no,

1677
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: ask Bill about he's going to talk. Doesn't he has

1678
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: someone who would write that for him, So where's my

1679
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: note person? I assume that Bourne will be a bigger party.

1680
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he can't be a smaller party being active

1681
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: if if it's any less than what he was Sunday, right,

1682
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's going to play back to a regular

1683
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 1: Kendrick Boe role in terms of number of snaps. Okay,

1684
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: and now everyone's gonna think it's because Robert told him

1685
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: to do No Bill, Bill told pet should knock it off,

1686
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: play him, he's one of your better player. No, yeah, No,

1687
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be Patricia's fault that he

1688
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: didn't play in the first game. Okay, like continuation, but

1689
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: everything is Matt Patricia's. There will be that, There will

1690
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: be that, and it doesn't mean you can't criticize. Like

1691
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Evan had a very detailed breakdown of all the things

1692
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: they're not doing in terms of imagination offensively, so a

1693
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: lot of that comes under Matt Patricia. He's the guy

1694
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: who's supposed to be running the offense, and they used

1695
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: to be in extremely imaginative offense in terms of finding

1696
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: ways to get the ball to different guys in space

1697
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: and you know, the same lack of playmakers. They were

1698
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 1: finding ways to get guys wide open last year at times.

1699
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: Now it definitely petered out down the stretch. But he

1700
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: gets blamed for everything. Yeah, everything. I just don't get it.

1701
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't get why they thought how they thought this

1702
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: would work, like to to just will kind of wing

1703
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: it with an offense. We'll put in some wide zone

1704
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: runs and you know, we'll just simplify will only run

1705
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: a very limits the thing. You know, we're assuming, because

1706
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 1: Patricia is calling the plays that he's also the architect

1707
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: of the offense. That may not be the case, and

1708
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: it could Bill better be Bill, Like, are you talking

1709
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: about the architect of an offense? You're talking about a

1710
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: guy who innovates an offer. No, no, no no, I'm talking

1711
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: about like, going into this game, somebody said we're gonna

1712
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: play at Vanilla. We're not going We're gonna you're talking

1713
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: about the game Planet SLF going in? Who who who

1714
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: said before the game, here's what we're gonna do offensively,

1715
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: here's you know, and Bill has to be the guy

1716
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: that signs off on that class or at the very

1717
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: least once he sees this isn't working. He's the guy

1718
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: who tells Patricia, Okay, open it up a little bit,

1719
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: let's let's use some little smoke and mirrors, as Evan

1720
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 1: likes to put it. But those things just feel like

1721
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: basic necessary elements for an NFL offense that if you

1722
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: don't do them and you don't have some kind of

1723
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: disguise to your attack, that other teams are gonna tea off.

1724
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 1: It does. But you know, blame ourselves because this is

1725
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: what we saw all summer, them trying to do rudimentary things,

1726
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: albeit some of them new, and not doing it well.

1727
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: And you know, Bill is a process guy, as he's

1728
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: used that word, B doesn't come before A. You got

1729
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: to do A before you get to be. And maybe

1730
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: that's again how he's approaching the season. We got to

1731
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: get a right before we can move on to B,

1732
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: and you know, let alone see and maybe that's what

1733
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: he's doing. And again, Patriots fans may not like to

1734
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: hear that because they want results now, but maybe Bill's

1735
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: taking a more patient approach. Maybe I just need to

1736
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: see progression, and I just I want to feel like

1737
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: you're putting Mac in the best position to succeed, which

1738
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: is just something I feel like I've been saying since

1739
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: the day last season ended, of what is a bigger

1740
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: priority than making sure he's comfortable and knows what he

1741
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 1: is doing? And you know, to Paul's point that he's

1742
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: been hammering, he doesn't look comfortable, he doesn't look like

1743
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: he's seeing what they're trying to do. And if it

1744
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: really is simple, is it simple enough? Is it like? What? Like? What?

1745
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: What's where's the disconnect? If this is a simple offense

1746
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: that somehow you can all get on the same page,

1747
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the breakdowns are killing them and they

1748
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: don't have confidence and therefore it's just not working. But again,

1749
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of the point I'm stuck in the middle of.

1750
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they're overthinking it. I don't know, Maybe Mac is

1751
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not complimentary football, right, And I

1752
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: don't mean like the three phases and all that. What

1753
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean is is like with McDaniels, Okay, you run

1754
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: power on first down, right guard poles run up to

1755
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: the linebacker. Now here comes second and four. Now we're

1756
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: gonna run power play actions. So we're gonna show you

1757
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: the same action of the guard pulling, but now instead

1758
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: of being a run play. It's play action, and now

1759
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: we're throwing it at you and you're building a complimented things,

1760
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: right and then in the third quarter, we're gonna do

1761
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: something else, all right, right in the third quarter, Like

1762
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: against Buffalo in the in the win game, when they

1763
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: throw a ball three times, they start the game with

1764
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: the backside poll. Then in the second half they go

1765
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: g lead, they go the front side poll. Now all

1766
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're showing the defense two different looks,

1767
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: same poll, but different areas of the offense. In this

1768
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: offense right now, and the play calling on Sunday, it

1769
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: felt like it was like, Okay, we got this bucket,

1770
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: this bucket and this bucket, and like this time we're

1771
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 1: gonna run this bucket. Now we're gonna run that bucket.

1772
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: And the buckets were not together. The buckets need to

1773
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: be together. And I think that that's the biggest thing

1774
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: that you see with Mac. It's like what is our identity?

1775
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Like what are our what are we sequencing? What are

1776
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: we trying to do here? Because right now it feels like, oh,

1777
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: well it's first and ten, let's go under center. Okay,

1778
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: it's second and four. Now we're gonna go spread now

1779
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back under center. Now we're gonna do this,

1780
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and it just there's no continuity to what they're doing

1781
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: on offense. And I think that you hear that it's

1782
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of Okay, well, isn't that

1783
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: on the play caller? But I think what it's more

1784
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: on is that there's not there's not enough birth to

1785
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 1: the offense. There's not enough options at their disposal to

1786
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: be different, to do some different things that showed some

1787
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: different wrinkles. They're like playing Madden on when you can

1788
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: do like this simple playbook and it only gives you

1789
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: like four police stitching. That's what it feels like. It's

1790
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: just like even a Madden I'm going through dozens of

1791
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: players play action. Sure, I got our pos I got

1792
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, and to the Kendrick Bourne point.

1793
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: And we were talking about this earlier. I don't want

1794
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to rag on DeVante Parker, but DeVante Parker getting the

1795
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: most snaps out of the wide receivers on Sunday feels

1796
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: a little bit weird to me. He's really really good

1797
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: at what he does. He's a big body, he's good

1798
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: with contested catches, But I don't want Davante Parker being

1799
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: the one that's stretching the defense right, Like, if you're

1800
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: on the outside with Davanta Parker and I mentioned earlier,

1801
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: they're trying to run like the vertical with the out right.

1802
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: Nobody on Miami's defense when DeVante Parker was the on

1803
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 1: that side of the field running the vertical, nobody cared

1804
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: about DeVante Parker. They were not even looking at him.

1805
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: They were just like, we know you're trying to We

1806
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: know you're trying to clear the out. You know, we're

1807
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: trying to clear out the sideline. You know you're trying

1808
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: to throw the out to Jcobe Myers, and we're just

1809
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: gonna sit all over it. So at one point is

1810
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: I think somebody posted the play on Twitter and Max

1811
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: doing all the and signals and he's he's doing all

1812
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: these things. Check they check. They check into the play

1813
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: and it's vertical out on the sideline and two guys

1814
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: go to Jacobi on the out route because DeVante Parker

1815
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: is the one clearing out the sideline and there's no

1816
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: threat on the vertical. So what with DeVante Parker, Hey,

1817
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: I would limit his snaps a little bit, like I

1818
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: don't think he should be playing what was it fifty

1819
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: nine snaps or whatever it was on Sunday. Give some

1820
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: of those to Kendrick Bourne, who deserves him right and

1821
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: should be playing more. But secondly to that, Nelson Agloor

1822
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: is your clearout guy, like he's your speed guy, So

1823
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: why isn't he the one that's clearing out the coverage

1824
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: like what he did last year? That's the role they

1825
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: played him every down outside the same thing Parky. So

1826
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Parker's a guy that you can get use in situations

1827
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: like I think he's a viable red zone threat for

1828
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: them to throw, you know, a fade or something like that.

1829
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 1: I think on third down if he's got a matchup

1830
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: that you like, where he's match up against a smaller

1831
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: corner and you think he can maybe box somebody out

1832
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: or Mike Cheef I tortured Mike District. But yeah, I mean,

1833
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I guess it's okay. We can talk about that now.

1834
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Like I just didn't get it. I didn't get it

1835
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: from the start. I didn't see him as a guy

1836
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: who was gonna put any kind of stress on the defense.

1837
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I don't want him to have a role.

1838
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: And I think Evan's examples of things that he does. Well,

1839
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: that's a role for him. And if that's like twenty

1840
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: five thirty snaps, you know, you get backed up penalty

1841
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: third and long. You know, maybe you're read your own

1842
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: forty third and fifteen. You know, that's a hard that's

1843
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: a hard conversion. Maybe throw one up on the sideline.

1844
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: See if he wins, wins a one on one battle,

1845
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, gets a flag, you know, competing like on

1846
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: a play like Sunday. Maybe he draws the flag the

1847
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 1: next time when Howard has his shoulder. Um, but I

1848
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: don't think that he's a guy that I have to

1849
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: have everything revolving around. And when you play every snap,

1850
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: you're telling me that that's the guy you feel the

1851
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: best about all the time. Right, I want him on

1852
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: the field. I want Born and Agilore on the field

1853
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: together at least some of the time. I think those

1854
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: are your two most explosive guys. I'm not telling you

1855
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 1: those guys are Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hildy're not but

1856
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: for the for this team, they're the fastest two receivers

1857
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: they have. I mean, it's anybody gonna argue with that. No,

1858
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Thornton out right right, right, Yes, well that one was

1859
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: in there, that would be different, right, And I think Evan,

1860
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember you making the point during one

1861
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: of the preseason things where they think at some point

1862
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: they had Aglare and Thornton on the field together and

1863
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, there's actually a couple of

1864
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: guys that route concept that Evan's talking about, and you

1865
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: have Agilore going streaking down the side. I don't think

1866
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Xavian Howard can just peek into the backfield and not

1867
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: really worry about him. Yeah, he's got to make sure

1868
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: he runs with him. He knew Parker wasn't running by him,

1869
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: which is a comment that I made several times when

1870
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: I called him Nikhil Parker throughout the offseason. He doesn't separate,

1871
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: he can still can actually correct. He's a lot better

1872
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: player than Nikil Harry because of his ability to win

1873
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: those one on one battle and and and make some

1874
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: contested catches. So I think that gives him some value

1875
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: that Harry didn't. But I just don't think that he's

1876
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: a like one hundred percent play time kind of guy.

1877
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: But to your point, then play him like you played Harry,

1878
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: like he's not your every down we need this guy

1879
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: on the field. We need the defense thinking at all times.

1880
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: So what might they do with DeVante Parker? You know?

1881
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: And even you know? But and then you gotta think

1882
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: one's gonna have a role. But if you're gonna play

1883
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: him like you played Harry, then you whiffed on a

1884
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: free agent signing, right, I mean, yeah, you made money

1885
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and you didn't pay him to play. Like does he

1886
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: have to play every down to get down? But he Yeah,

1887
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying for it, and I think

1888
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: he would play probably more than that, But I know it,

1889
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Mike Man, it's not necessarily the number of snaps. But

1890
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: like he's sort of you know, like the other guy,

1891
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: he's a role and I think you might be able

1892
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: to get him in the red zone. He specific set

1893
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: of skills, right, He's that big group, right, Like this

1894
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: whole group is not necessarily one dominant receiver. It's that

1895
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: all of them together do some different things well, right,

1896
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: Nelson agalarc And I don't think they stink when you

1897
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: said stink, I don't think the receiver were stinking, right,

1898
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: But then you have to use them right and maximize

1899
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: the role that they're using him in what their skill set,

1900
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: and to spin it forward to Pittsburgh, they play a

1901
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: ton of zone coverage. So the one thing that you

1902
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: want to do with the zone team, you want to

1903
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 1: flood the zone, right, So if you don't have anybody

1904
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: that can clear out over the top to clear out

1905
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: the zone on the boundary, to clear out the zone

1906
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: over the top, then it's going to be smothering the

1907
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: intermediate and the short stuff. Again and Mac completed one

1908
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: pass between ten and twenty yards wells minutes left in

1909
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: a two score in the NFL, Despite the halves and

1910
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: the have nots, it's close enough where I don't care

1911
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: if it's defense or offense. You cannot be predictable because

1912
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: the other team will will eventually stop you. You can't

1913
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: be predictable in this league. What I wouldn't give to

1914
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: just hear what Brian Flores is thinking breaking down unless

1915
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: you're unless you're amazing, well that have to be elite predicted.

1916
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: That's like when when we're talking about their receivers, like

1917
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, would you guys think, what do you guys

1918
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: think of Cedric Wilson. He's like he's a good player. Yeah,

1919
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: if you had three Cedric Wilson's instead of Cedric Wilson

1920
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: is number three behind Waddle and Hill. I don't think

1921
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: your receiving corps is very good. I would take Cedric

1922
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: Wilson on my team any day. Kendrick Bourne Nelson age,

1923
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I think those guys are okay, But if you have

1924
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: just Cedric Wilson, you don't have much. Yeah, And I

1925
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: think that's what the Patriots have now complimentary altogether. There

1926
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: should be ways that they can figure out to make

1927
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: these guys more than match Mac and the offensive coordinator.

1928
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you said it that way, or whoever

1929
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: is you know, dictating the scheme of the of the

1930
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: gotta make some play. It's gotta be Mac in the

1931
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: coordinator to make that happen, to use those pieces, you know,

1932
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: and maximize their abilities. Well, I mean, we got a

1933
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: couple of email Clay about this. We talked about in

1934
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: the first hour of the show. Where's your confidence level

1935
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones right now? At a scale one to ten? No,

1936
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: on a scale of just how do you feel? I

1937
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: mean then, because I mean, you know, we had an

1938
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: emailer said, basically, since the Buffalo win game, throw maybe

1939
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville game out you just you haven't really seen

1940
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: a good game from him against you know, good opponent,

1941
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 1: and you know it's we're into a second year now.

1942
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 1: At some point it's got to it's got to turn

1943
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: around and look better. I have a tough time with

1944
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: gauging what's going on with Mac right now because I

1945
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: don't know how much of it is that Mac is

1946
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: what he is right now, which is probably like an

1947
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: average NFL quarterback but nothing special or elite, and they're

1948
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: just not maximizing his skill set, and the tools at

1949
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: his disposal or not help are not enough for him.

1950
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: Because we're talking about, you know, the things that we

1951
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: were trying to do on Sunday on offense, and is

1952
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Mac throwing ten yard outs the best thing for Mac Jones? Like,

1953
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 1: is that really his skill set, like to be driving

1954
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: the ball to the sideline? Or is his skill set

1955
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 1: the middle of the field that's really where they should

1956
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: be living. And I think I sent the picture to you,

1957
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: Mike where it's like everything is either a checkdown or

1958
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 1: it's outside the numbers and the middle of the field

1959
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: is just a waste land of zero targets. Yeah, Like

1960
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: there's just nothing going on in the middle field. Whatsoever,

1961
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 1: And I posted for one off a linebacker's asking, Yeah,

1962
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: that was the one I think you should before that.

1963
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 1: When he has trouble in terms of you know, getting

1964
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,759
Speaker 1: near pits, it's usually down the middle he has troubled.

1965
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 1: To Evans point, well maybe he just doesn't have the

1966
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: arm for it, right, you know, And the world's missed

1967
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: out on a high level of entertainment by not having

1968
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Mike Deso's face live over the air. On the very

1969
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: first pass of the game that he threw a like

1970
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: a nine yard out to Jacoby Myers that took up

1971
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes to complete, and the look on Mike's

1972
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: face was like just sheer terror. Like the ball was

1973
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 1: like doesn't like incoming, doesn't come out, doesn't doesn't fly.

1974
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: And you think that that is just a physical thing

1975
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 1: or a mental thing where he's just not confident enough

1976
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: to step in and drive it. I mean, I think

1977
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: it's a physical thing. But I think that, you know,

1978
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: to Evan's point, I think his biggest skill was anticipation

1979
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: and no one where to throw, and I think it's

1980
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's really hard to throw those throws with

1981
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: perfect anticipation. I mean, I think of maybe Brady in

1982
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty one and overtime to Amandolo with that

1983
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: one where it was just an average you know, one

1984
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 1: of those total smoker right on the sideline, he gets

1985
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: two feet in right at the you know. I mean

1986
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: it's just it's flawless. So it's you know, but I

1987
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: think Devan's point when you have a little crossers going

1988
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: in front of you and you can see and I

1989
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: mean I think when I rewatched it, those were some

1990
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: of the ones that I felt like he missed. It

1991
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 1: was you know, it was that was was just disturbing

1992
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: to me, was that he was missing ones that I

1993
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: thought he was good on last year, which is just

1994
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: middle of the field there it is, get him, you know,

1995
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Jona Smith's got a step on a guy, give it

1996
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: to him down There wasn't a ton of it. But

1997
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: that's what I think is distressing, is just that you know,

1998
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: they're not they're not losing with what he did best

1999
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: last year. They're kind of losing with what we didn't

2000
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: really think he did well. He's a quick game quarterback, right,

2001
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 1: get the ball out of your hands, run, you know,

2002
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: slant flat hitch, you know, things like that. Quick game

2003
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: and then He's also somebody that I think can make

2004
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: layer throws over the middle of the field. I don't

2005
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 1: want him to drive it up the seam twenty yards

2006
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: down the field, but if they can highlow a guy

2007
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and maybe get him

2008
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: at ten yard target down the middle of the field,

2009
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: that's what I want to see more of. And that's

2010
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: what they were doing enough of on Sunday to me,

2011
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: was really stressing that middle of the field coverage. Now,

2012
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: I think, to Mike's point, like a good thing about

2013
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Mac that I like also is just his ability to

2014
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:53,839
Speaker 1: see things quickly and process things. But he wasn't somebody

2015
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: last year that would take would be too overaggressive, and

2016
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: I thought on Sunday at times he was a little

2017
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,440
Speaker 1: bit over aggressive with the football, like the DeVante Parker interception.

2018
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: I think Belichick said it on Monday morning. Usually that

2019
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: pay doesn't get intercepted. It's usually like a fifty fifty ball,

2020
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: it gets deflected or it gets caught and it falls

2021
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: on the ground and we play the next down. That's fine,

2022
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: but you're talking about crossing grats right on that play

2023
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field they had. They're in

2024
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: twelve personnel. They have the tight at Johnny on one side,

2025
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry on the other side, and they crossed in

2026
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the field and both of them I

2027
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 1: think had body positioning to make a play on it.

2028
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: Johnny was the underneath crosser, Henry was like a little

2029
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 1: bit further up the field on kind of like a

2030
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 1: levels type of concept, and they had that opportunity to

2031
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 1: throw there, and instead he attacks Xavian Howard of all

2032
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: people over the top against DeVante Parker on first down,

2033
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: like even Hunter Henry was it would have been a

2034
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 1: tight throw. But we've seen Hunter Henry box out and

2035
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: make plays like that a lot over the last two years.

2036
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 1: Johnny has got like a step on a linebacker coming

2037
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: over the middle, and he's your yat guy, Like if

2038
01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: you could put the ball in front of him, put

2039
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: the ball on his hands, like on that play, who knows,

2040
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 1: like that could be that could be a ten yard game.

2041
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he breaks the tackle in the high red zone

2042
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's in the end zone.

2043
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,759
Speaker 1: You just don't know. But instead he forces it outside

2044
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: the numbers on the fade to Parker and it gets intercepted.

2045
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: He's got to be able to take the bunnies, like

2046
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: the layups that are there in this offense. They don't

2047
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: have the luxury for him to be over aggressive. And

2048
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people that say, oh, well,

2049
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 1: like people want Mac to be a gun slinger. I

2050
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: don't want Mac to be a gun slinger, like he's

2051
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: not Patrick Mahomes like, I don't want him to be

2052
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,759
Speaker 1: a gun slinger. I want him to make the smart decision,

2053
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: throw to the open guy. Parker was not the open guy.

2054
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith was the open guy, make the easy throws

2055
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: and let everything else take care of itself. Yeah, they're

2056
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna put the ben voland offense in next year. I

2057
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: think that'll he'll be the OCE next year. With his

2058
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 1: piece today book getting away from Runt to anyone see

2059
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: that everyone's looking to be blank, so I can yeah,

2060
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: I did see it, but I choose general terms. I

2061
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: would just say no to tackle that one. He came

2062
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: in high, but I voland came in high yesterday on

2063
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: Maddy p just kind of I'm like, all right, this

2064
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,040
Speaker 1: ought to be good. And then it was like a

2065
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: question about establishing the run, and I'm like that's kind

2066
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: of strange. But then today you saw why that he was,

2067
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: you know, kind of saying that stemming off of David

2068
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: Andrews saying that they lost their fast ball and they

2069
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 1: couldn't run run the ball anymore, and how bad it

2070
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 1: is that that's their fast ball running the ball. I'm sorry,

2071
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: we're all dumber now for having listened to me. Explains now. No,

2072
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 1: but I would argue one of those things like did

2073
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you stop running the ball effectively ordered to score stop

2074
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 1: you from running the ball, because I think both of

2075
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 1: those things are kind of true. I think they got

2076
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: off to a great start running the ball, but I

2077
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: think they petered out. Yeah, and I think Steve ran

2078
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: two run concepts, and when you only run two run

2079
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 1: concepts the entire game, the defense figures out what you're

2080
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 1: doing eventually, and it's kind of like a script like

2081
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: they like their game plan in general specifically worked. They

2082
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 1: came out and had the best success that they had

2083
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: right out of the locker room. The problem was the

2084
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: other team figures it out and adjust. Now what do

2085
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: you do? And they didn't have any answers right when

2086
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I was based on with everybody's telling me it was

2087
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the same kind of stuff over and

2088
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: over again. It worked initially, and I can see why

2089
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 1: they stuck with We talked about that yesterday. I could

2090
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 1: see why the first drive was a lot of repetition

2091
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: because it worked. And then that's when Mike and I disagreed.

2092
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think taking a shot is all well

2093
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: and good, but if the guy's not open, you can't

2094
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 1: just take a shot when the other guys better than you.

2095
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: A guy, especially unless he's liking and I would strongly

2096
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:30,799
Speaker 1: disagree also with the notion that those deflections don't generally

2097
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 1: end up in interceptions harms way, I think I think

2098
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: deflections more up. Oh, he didn't say that, though he

2099
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: said those passes don't usually end up as well. I

2100
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: would say contested balls get deflected a lot. Well, he didn't,

2101
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: he meant. He just said those types of passes don't

2102
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 1: normally end up being intercepted because they're thrown in such

2103
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 1: a way where only one guy has a shot at it.

2104
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: It was a bad throw. I thought he was through it.

2105
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 1: I think he unders threw him a little bit too,

2106
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. I think it was a

2107
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 1: worst throw. Yes, and it's first and ten from the

2108
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: twenty two twenty three yard so go somewhere else, right,

2109
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: That's what I would say. Even like I said on

2110
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: the crossers were in the middle of the field with

2111
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 1: Henry and Johnny, Like even if john a gainst five yards,

2112
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 1: Now it's second and five, you're in the red zone,

2113
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: you're inside the twenty, and you play another down and

2114
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 1: you've had nothing really at that point, nothing but successful plays. Right,

2115
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 1: it was five yards, seven yards, twelve yards, six yards.

2116
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Like everything that they were doing was matriculating the ball

2117
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 1: down the field. Boys, Like everything was working. Yeah, you

2118
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: talk about the run game, though, Damian Harrison Romander Stevenson

2119
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: are two of their more dynamic players with the ball

2120
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: in their hands. So going away from those two guys,

2121
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: I think is a huge mistake. I think that would

2122
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: be a really big mistake. And I'm not a run

2123
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: game type of guy. I liked the analytics. I know

2124
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: you're supposed to pass the ball more in today's NFL,

2125
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: But when Damien Harrison reminders Stevenson are gotta be two

2126
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: year better skill players to take the ball out of

2127
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 1: their hands. But I think with the run game, I

2128
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 1: remember last year in Buffalo, I went back to the

2129
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: win game. I'll go back to it again. I think

2130
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 1: I charted sixteen different run plays that they ran, Like,

2131
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: it's just sixteen different schemes that they ran in that game.

2132
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: In Buffalo, they ran crack toss and they ran inside zone.

2133
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: That was it. That was all they did. In this game.

2134
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 1: They had a couple of wide zone outside zone plays

2135
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 1: and I think they had three of those, so they

2136
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 1: ran probably five concepts. And you don't have a fullback anymore.

2137
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 1: You're not running the gap downhill stuff as much anymore.

2138
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: So same with the passing game, like you're just running

2139
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: the same plays over and over again, and eventually the

2140
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 1: defense figures it out, and that's exactly what Miami does.

2141
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 1: And then you throw in there that you're not running

2142
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,839
Speaker 1: play action, So now you only run two play action passes.

2143
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: So what's keeping Miami off of the line of scrimmage, Like,

2144
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: what's keeping them from stopping to run? Absolutely nothing? So yeah,

2145
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,640
Speaker 1: it worked early on, but they had nothing to go

2146
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: to once Miami figured it out. Yeah, I just wondered,

2147
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: where's the middle ground? Like why, you know, I get it,

2148
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 1: We don't need to run all these different const EPs

2149
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: and the volume of that must be overwhelming in terms

2150
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: of the playbook and the players but you also can't

2151
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: run zero, you know, and and that's why I just

2152
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:10,639
Speaker 1: i'd love to have some kind of explanation that makes

2153
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: sense to me if this offense is really as you know,

2154
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: simple as we're seeing here early on, of what was

2155
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 1: the plan? I mean, I'm sure that what was the

2156
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 1: plan like, but but I'm sure that the Bill Belichick

2157
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 1: when he decided he was going to fix this or

2158
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, redo this offense, that there was a plan of,

2159
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, how can we get our offense executing? You

2160
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 1: can't look at the NFL right now without not thinking

2161
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 1: about you got to put up thirty points a game, like,

2162
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of the bare minimum requirement to

2163
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 1: be one of the elite teams in the league. So again,

2164
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 1: maybe it will progress, but I just i'd love to

2165
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: hear explain to me how how this is going to work.

2166
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: If this is really simpler and it's going to be

2167
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: simpler for our players to execute, but the other team

2168
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: apparently is going to know exactly what's going on to

2169
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: and not really have a problem trying to figure out

2170
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: how to stop it. The most optimistic view I've heard

2171
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 1: of this whole thing is what Fred said, which was

2172
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe there is. Maybe they have to get aid correct

2173
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: before they move on to be so maybe they're getting

2174
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: inside zone correct. So then we can run inside zone

2175
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: and then next week we can run inside zone play action,

2176
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 1: and now we can put the two things together and

2177
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: here we go. Now we have the offense. And maybe

2178
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 1: they feel the same way about the route concepts, like

2179
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:21,480
Speaker 1: we're trying really hard to run these three route concepts

2180
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: first and then we're going to start building in some

2181
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: much different tweeks. Should that be an issue with the

2182
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: amount of experience their players, all the professional football players,

2183
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: like I mean, like well professional football players that have

2184
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:37,639
Speaker 1: all been here. Yeah, even you know, they're not all rookies.

2185
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 1: Tak Thornton is the only rookie. I mean, we're not ready.

2186
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: We're not ready for play action yet, guys, we're not

2187
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 1: ready for play actions. Yeah, Like why do we Why

2188
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,600
Speaker 1: why have we not gotten a down to use Fred's

2189
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, analogy or why are we still working on

2190
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 1: a because it really seems like a maybe like the

2191
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: the the focus this year is to make sure they're

2192
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,600
Speaker 1: playing better into member than they are in September. So

2193
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,719
Speaker 1: they set a low bar in September. They can only

2194
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 1: get better in December. I asked the question to McDaniels

2195
01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 1: last year about saving things for later on in the season,

2196
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: they're saving things from the playoffs, and he was like,

2197
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 1: trust me, if I had a play up on our

2198
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 1: white board that it was a guaranteed touchdown, I wouldn't

2199
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: be saying to myself, you know what, I'm just gonna

2200
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: wait to call that in January, Like, we're not going

2201
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: to call that until we get I don't think they

2202
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 1: really do, that is my point. Like, I don't think

2203
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: they really save things so much as maybe they get

2204
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: to a point later on in the season where a

2205
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 1: specific matchup or a ponent or something like that is

2206
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: better for certain things. But I don't think that they

2207
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: sit there and they say, oh, this is the winning

2208
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 1: for anything. When the Patriots were good, they go back

2209
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: to things that worked later in the season. And I

2210
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 1: would I would say that maybe in their heyday, when

2211
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, the good old days, that Deuce was bored

2212
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: um and um didn't have any fun when you went

2213
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:58,519
Speaker 1: to the season. Now, when you went to the season

2214
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 1: knowing you were going to be in the AFC Championship game,

2215
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 1: was just to whether or not it was going to

2216
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: be here. Or somebody or somewhere else. I would say,

2217
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: there's there's maybe a chance that, say, like let's say

2218
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 1: it was them in Indie or them in Pittsburgh or

2219
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,680
Speaker 1: them in Denver later on, you know what's going to

2220
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: be those two teams. If they played in the regular season,

2221
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,679
Speaker 1: you could convince me that maybe they held some stuff

2222
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: back knowing they we're going to see that team again

2223
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Yeah, you might be able to convince

2224
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: me that they didn't empty all barrels, right, But you

2225
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 1: can't tell me that as a general rule, they're going

2226
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: into regular seasons a not caring about September results and

2227
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 1: be not worrying about doing what's best to win that

2228
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: particular game each week. But my thinking is it's not

2229
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 1: that they don't care, it's that Bill knows if I

2230
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: go too fast, it's going to be even worse. So

2231
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: I've got to take it one step at a time

2232
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 1: with this team for whatever reason. And like you said, Paul,

2233
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 1: it's weird because there's not a lot of rookies out

2234
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: on the field, and I know, well, there there's one, yeah, range, right, Yeah,

2235
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 1: that's it. And if you have to hold back for

2236
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 1: one guy, then that's not good either. You're not holding

2237
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:08,919
Speaker 1: back for a guard unless unless you unless you consider

2238
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,640
Speaker 1: like the changes are enough to make Mac essentially a

2239
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: rookie again, you know, I don't know, yeah, because again

2240
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:19,759
Speaker 1: we can't emphasize enough. It's Mac, it's mackets Mac. Yeah,

2241
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 1: you good or bad. You had said something about the

2242
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: outs a while ago. You know, is that a physical thing?

2243
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 1: But you know, can he get it there? Or is

2244
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: it a mental thing? And I do think that Mike

2245
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 1: is right in general, like I don't think that's a

2246
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 1: strength of his. I think he has to throw those

2247
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: with some sort of anticipation to make sure he he

2248
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: gets it, and that's a strength of his. But I

2249
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 1: also think right now, I didn't see this last year,

2250
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 1: but I've seen it this year, the mental part of it.

2251
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily not knowing what he's doing. It's

2252
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: not trusting what he's doing, yes, and what he's seeing.

2253
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 1: And the past rush I think has been honestly trusting

2254
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 1: the offensive line. He's not trusting what he's getting. And

2255
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,600
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, again, we talked about this a

2256
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: lot yesterday before you came back. There was a stat

2257
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: out there about the tiny percentage of plays that he

2258
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 1: got more than three seconds to throw. Yeah, And you know,

2259
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Mike and Fred immediately were like, well, how many of

2260
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: those did he just throw immediately upon getting the snap

2261
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 1: because he's just taking a check down or whatever. And

2262
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not that might be the play, But don't tell me, like,

2263
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 1: how many percentage of plays that took him to throw

2264
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: the ball inside of three seconds? Tell me the percentage

2265
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: of snaps that he was truly pressured on, yeah, because

2266
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that was an abnormally high number. Certainly

2267
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,719
Speaker 1: wasn't as bad as it was early last year. Miami

2268
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 1: killed him in the opener last year. Yeah, that was

2269
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 1: where he's sort of like throwing it backwards. He first

2270
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: play of his career he threw backwards, right, But they

2271
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: were all over him that day. Flores blitzed him mercilessly. Yeah,

2272
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they blitzed mercilessly the other day the

2273
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: same way. Now, the biggest play of the game was

2274
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: a blitz. Yeah, but but it also was only a

2275
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: five man pressure right. Bill said they had the enough

2276
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: people to block, they just didn't do it right. That

2277
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 1: was one of the big things I watched in the game. Again,

2278
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 1: that for me, it was like I think those free

2279
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 1: rusher plays kind of overshadowed it, and it's part of

2280
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 1: this story this summer of like the offensive line stink,

2281
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: so people glommed onto that. But otherwise I thought that

2282
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: there were pockets there. I don't. I don't think it

2283
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,679
Speaker 1: was great, but it wasn't the problem like when listen,

2284
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 1: it's one of those you know, other than that, how

2285
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 1: was the play? This is Lincoln, right, you know you

2286
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: can't have the two sacks that they gave up. Not

2287
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 1: like that. You can allow two sacks, but not because

2288
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 1: there are two different plays that you just didn't block anybody. Yeah,

2289
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 1: you get beat physically, fine, but you just nobody puts

2290
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 1: a hand on him or even looks at him. So

2291
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you the offensive line was great.

2292
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't, but I don't think it was as bad

2293
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:40,520
Speaker 1: it was. Balance of the thirty Yeah, those are mental mistakes,

2294
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: like a guy got bull rushed and like we just

2295
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: don't have a guy. Okay, their guy was stronger than

2296
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,040
Speaker 1: our guy or had a jump on us. Yeah, the

2297
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 1: balance of the thirty two dropbacks. I don't think he

2298
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:52,559
Speaker 1: was like under siege. There were times that he had

2299
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 1: pressure and certainly that rough and the passer made and

2300
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 1: he had a lot of pressure for what it's worth,

2301
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know, reading the room, I'm not sure

2302
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna like the analytics, but I'm gonna

2303
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 1: do it. Anyways, PF had the Patriots and had the

2304
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 1: Dolphins defense with four pressured dropbacks the whole game, and

2305
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 1: you look at ESPN pass rush win rate, same thing.

2306
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: The Patriots actually graded out pretty well in terms of

2307
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:19,680
Speaker 1: pass blocking out. That didn't pass the eye test to me,

2308
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 1: but I don't think it was nearly as bad in

2309
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 1: pass protection as maybe people thought, because you and it

2310
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: happens to all of us, like the strip sac just

2311
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: like stands out right in your head, and just as

2312
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 1: an analytic guy, Okay, this is what I would have

2313
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 1: because I agree with exactly the way you said it.

2314
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: Four seems kind of low, but I don't think it

2315
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 1: was much worse than that. Yeah, so you know, we

2316
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, get into a fight on semantics.

2317
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: But if you were doing the analytics, yeah, what would

2318
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 1: you grade the sack? But the two sacks because I

2319
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 1: don't think that was like a pass rush win or loss.

2320
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 1: No one blocked them. It wasn't it was poor execution.

2321
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 1: It was does that not count in the four like right?

2322
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 1: Among the endage of wind rate? Right? If I had

2323
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 1: because even one of those guys, if I had to assign,

2324
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 1: like who gave up the sack team, I would not

2325
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,200
Speaker 1: assign it to an individual player without knowing the call, right,

2326
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: because I I don't know what who was responsibility was.

2327
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: I can I can guess or have an educated guess

2328
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:19,360
Speaker 1: at it. Like on the strip sack, my educated guess

2329
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: would be that was Trent Brown's guy, but at the

2330
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 1: same degree. But at the same time, when a guy

2331
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 1: is blitzing from the second level, we kind of disguises

2332
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: it comes up to the line of scrimmage and he's

2333
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: further out than a wide nine, he's like a wide eleven. Well,

2334
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 1: that's the other thing he's supposed to get that guy

2335
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 1: because Hunter Henry was next to him. Right, So now

2336
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 1: Trent Brown has a patriot in between him and a

2337
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 1: guy creeping up that you didn't know for sure was

2338
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 1: going to be there, Right? Is there a chance that

2339
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 1: he didn't really even know he was there? Yes, and

2340
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: just blocked down. I think he was already turned and engaged. Well,

2341
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: then I wonder if it's Maack to point it out

2342
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,920
Speaker 1: at that point, does he need it reload? And that's

2343
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 1: why I took sort of note of Bill saying, well,

2344
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: we had you know, it was five five, we had,

2345
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 1: we had that we had enough guys to block them,

2346
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: and then Mac the next day saying, yeah, better ask

2347
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 1: Bill about the XS and os, because I think that

2348
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: that was like I think Mac took that as like,

2349
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 1: don't tell me I'm supposed to alter the protection there.

2350
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 1: We're coming down to the stretch here. Let's grab Jeff

2351
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 1: Jeff in Texas real quick. Hey Jeff, what's going on?

2352
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 1: Hey guys? Hey, hey, Um, so I had a play

2353
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 1: like listening to Um And this actually goes back coming

2354
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 1: into the season all along everybody complaining about, you know,

2355
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 1: Patricia and Joe Judge making the calls, but and then

2356
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 1: just listening to what Evans said about his report on

2357
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 1: how you know Vanilla, Um, you know, the play calls

2358
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: were for the Dolphins game. But I mean I'm wondering, like,

2359
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 1: so we had Josh McDaniels was there for well like

2360
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 1: fifteen plus years. We have all I mean, we have

2361
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,320
Speaker 1: records of all his play calls against all other teams

2362
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 1: and even though like teams changed, the head coach might change,

2363
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 1: or there's never the same players from year to year.

2364
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 1: But I mean, we know, you know, a lot in

2365
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:05,880
Speaker 1: the poking out for the team, Like we know their tendencies.

2366
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 1: We have a lot of ideas what plays work. So

2367
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand why it's like, oh, they don't they

2368
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 1: don't have any creativity like how to call plays. I mean, again,

2369
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: we have records of so many plays that Josh McDaniel's designed.

2370
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 1: Why can't we use some of those? But they don't

2371
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 1: have any confidence in the personnel or they don't don't

2372
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 1: have any trust or or I mean, I mean I

2373
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. I honestly don't know the answer.

2374
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: Thanks Jeff. I mean, it's not like they completely threw

2375
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 1: away their playbook and started from scratch, right, I know. Yeah.

2376
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is is and I a

2377
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about the play calling thing

2378
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: all summer long, and I really didn't care who the

2379
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: play caller was. My bigger issue was play design. Yes,

2380
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 1: offensive innovation, play design and what I think the only

2381
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: explanation that I can come up with. And I hate

2382
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: taking shots, but the only explanation I can come up

2383
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 1: with of why this offense looks so different from the

2384
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels offense is that the Josh McDaniels offense is

2385
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: so inter it and it's so detail oriented that they

2386
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 1: didn't feel like they had to coaches to coach it.

2387
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 1: It's the only thing that holds up because they didn't

2388
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 1: feel like Matt Patricia and Joe Judge and the staff

2389
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 1: that they had on offense was going to have the

2390
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 1: ability to coach a option route heavy, very very sophisticated,

2391
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 1: probably one of the most detail oriented offenses in any

2392
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: level of football, and I don't think that they felt

2393
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: like they had it in them to coach that up,

2394
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 1: and so they simified it. I mean, it makes sense logically,

2395
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's and I felt like a

2396
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:38,440
Speaker 1: change had to happen, and I don't know if they

2397
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 1: made the best choice. I'm really thinking they didn't make

2398
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: the best choice. But well, I mean, you know, you

2399
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 1: hate to bring up twelve, but in his latter years

2400
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: he was as much a coach as he was a

2401
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 1: quarterback in that staying late and working with the receivers

2402
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 1: on those option routes. And here's when I'm doing this.

2403
01:58:57,120 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm looking at. When you're covered this way,

2404
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to you to go inside or you know,

2405
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:04,880
Speaker 1: and he worked. Mac can't do that yet. Yeah, he

2406
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:06,800
Speaker 1: can't do that. I hate when when you used to

2407
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: do this all the time, but duce at one fifty

2408
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 1: eight brings up. But you know, I think a change

2409
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: had to happen. I could go for a half hour

2410
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 1: and to ask why, Yeah, why did that? Why did

2411
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 1: they have to take a scheme that was as successful

2412
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: as any scheme in football for twenty years and change it?

2413
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 1: There was nobody like I could understand that if Josh

2414
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 1: Mrteniels was staying and you said, we got to make

2415
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: some changes because Josh, there's no way we can get

2416
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 1: these guys up to you a level. But if we're

2417
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 1: all sort of learning the system together, why did it

2418
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 1: have to change? Yeah? I don't know. I maybe you

2419
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 1: know what we're seeing contradicts what I'm about to say.

2420
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 1: But maybe they took to heart what I took to

2421
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: heart last year is the Patriots are easy to defend,

2422
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 1: and they're like, with Mac, we got to rebuild this

2423
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:49,839
Speaker 1: thing because we can't be easy to defend. And maybe

2424
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 1: you know now you're looking at it, and if you

2425
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 1: listen to Evan, they're only running a few handful of plays.

2426
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 1: But I'm just glad I have validation now because Evan's here.

2427
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 1: Now we can maybe take Maybe we're going to see

2428
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 1: them build on that, and maybe they'll get to a

2429
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 1: point where in their minds at least they're not easy

2430
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 1: to defend anymore. But certainly that's not I. I'm going

2431
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 1: to turn him into a childhood divorce. I think he's

2432
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: going to be the subject of ridicule from me and

2433
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:23,840
Speaker 1: you the whole year. It's gonna be awesome. Oh well,

2434
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard yesterday's show. My my

2435
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 1: take coming out was well. Going into the season, I

2436
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: was more worried about the defense and the offense. They

2437
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 1: felt they had the pieces on offense to be good,

2438
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:37,480
Speaker 1: not great, but good. Yeah. Coming out of this game, however,

2439
02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:40,440
Speaker 1: I felt more optimistic about the defense. I think overall,

2440
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 1: they showed me some speed. They showed me the ability

2441
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 1: to at least, you know, not have guys like Hill

2442
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 1: and Waddle kill them. I think they did a pretty

2443
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 1: good job. Like you said, Mixican watching and you and

2444
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:55,960
Speaker 1: we saw we saw their speed. I said, I think

2445
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 1: it was good. The offense was the problem going in.

2446
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,080
Speaker 1: But I still believe they've got the pieces. But if

2447
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 1: you they just have to put it together. But if

2448
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 1: you phrased it yesterday like you just did today, I

2449
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,760
Speaker 1: would I would exactly what I said. You said you

2450
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,800
Speaker 1: felt the offense was just now. You said, I felt

2451
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: like I came out. I thought the offense was the

2452
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:16,480
Speaker 1: bigger wholeheartedly, the defense said yesterday, defense played better than

2453
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 1: the offense that yesterday. No, you said, the defense played well. Okay,

2454
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:23,440
Speaker 1: the defense wasn't a problem, you said. I said, you

2455
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 1: want to tell me that they weren't a problem. I'm

2456
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 1: going to disagree with that. You want to tell me

2457
02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:29,640
Speaker 1: they weren't as bigger problem as the offense tell you both.

2458
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they only gave up thirteen points at them,

2459
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 1: I know how many points they gave up. And everyone

2460
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 1: explained to you that there were some fortune there. Okay,

2461
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,680
Speaker 1: there was some rather good fortune there, only allow thirteen

2462
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 1: points and housides of the fact that the other team

2463
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 1: had a three score lead the whole second half. It

2464
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:47,000
Speaker 1: helps when you're playing too. That was and half the

2465
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: game in hand, the whole game. That was my biggest takeaway, like,

2466
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:51,680
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. I mean, And I

2467
02:01:51,720 --> 02:01:55,520
Speaker 1: said yesterday too, I don't know what I am what

2468
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:57,920
Speaker 1: you just said. Just now, I'm one thousand percent in

2469
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,640
Speaker 1: agreement with you said. You said a different way, So

2470
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic. That's right. That's a perfect note down. We

2471
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:07,240
Speaker 1: went along today and who more to be optimistic than

2472
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,920
Speaker 1: than Peu. That's right, And we'll be back tomorrow with

2473
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,520
Speaker 1: more of it. We got picks and from tune into

2474
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 1: fellgarn Mass later, speaking of lack of optimism, I think

2475
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:20,560
Speaker 1: I had probably the worst which ever, historic ever, historic

2476
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:23,880
Speaker 1: ineptitude on both sides. On your side, Yeah no, did I?

2477
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 1: I guess the spread. I think I was a little

2478
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 1: better than straight up well better a little bit good? Yeah,

2479
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:32,080
Speaker 1: good tease. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Thank you for

2480
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:36,200
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2481
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,400
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