1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Wednesday, 7 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: December sixteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, Episode number eighty one. 8 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, presented by Geico. 9 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 10 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: We got Dave and Amber. Nick is not joining us today, 11 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: but we have a replacement for him that I think 12 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: might be even better. We got Lucky Brooks. He usually 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: joins us to talk about the opponent, but he's gonna 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: join us all show today. I like that. We're gonna 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: talk about everything today. We're gonna start with the or 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to talk about Cowboys versus forty nine ers. 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, though, we got to 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: catch up on some injury updates. Dave give us an 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: update on the secondary, particularly Anthony Brown, Cheeto Woozier, Trayvon Diggs, 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: and Donovan Wilson. Well, it's way too early to know 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: if they're gonna play, but all of those guys are 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: supposed to do something, I believe, particularly the injured guys, 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Brown, Donovan Wilson, Ty, and Trayvon Diggs. Yes, 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs is going to be limited in practice on Wednesday, 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: so I can tell him. We're in nine with three 26 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: games left, Like, I'm excited to see if you know, 27 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: this full secondary has not been available all season and 28 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: maybe they will be for two or three of these 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: final games. And that's exciting. Bucky, I'm gonna ask you 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: this question from the standpoint. Yes, yes, it is age, 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: Yes it is. Well, yes, okay, Kevin Dix, it's exciting. 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: But you're talking about the rest of the group. Well, 33 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: I guess Donovan Wilson, we haven't. We've we've gotten to 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: see We've gotten to see Donovan for like two or day. Okay, 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: I guess half of the half of them. Yes, the 36 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: other half nuts so much because we didn't see any 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: any much excitement prior to the injuries. So hater y 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: hater in the house, Well, Dave, she told you yesterday. 39 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: This is the Amber you're gonna get for the rest 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: of the season, so this should not be a surprise. 41 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: This is what we're gonna get for the rest of 42 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: the season. This is hater Amber, and it's gonna be 43 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: there until the season is done. Buck, y'all want to 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: ask you this question as a former secondary player, as 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: a scout um, how much can a young guy like 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: a Treylon Dix who had he was basically thrown into 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: the fire this year. He was having to garden a 48 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of instances some of the better receivers in the 49 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: league and matchups that the Cowboys had because they just 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: did have a lot of their starters available to them 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: early in the season. How much can a young guy 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: like that learn on the sideline because he's been out 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: for these last several weeks, is at a time where 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: he really can reflect on some of his experiences at 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: that point and then kind of make things make more 56 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: sense watching from the sideline while he's injured. Yeah, he 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: can learn a lot. He can learn a lot in 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: terms of understanding where he fits with the scheme, So 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: really understanding what the rules are the scheme. So what 60 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: I do in our cover for am I roll in 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: the post? Am I playing man to man some of 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: the intricacies that he probably couldn't get because the game 63 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: is going so fast. He now has an opportunity to 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: look at these guys do it in practice, to do 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: it in games, to review the film, to hear the 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: questions and conversations that the coaches are having with the players, 67 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: and maybe take some of that in. But the best 68 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: way to really understand it is to play it and 69 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: do it. And so he'll miss those real reps. But 70 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: depending upon how diligent he was in terms of getting 71 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: the mental reps and asking questions and taking notes, he 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: certainly can be a much better player coming back than 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: he was when he departed. Yeah, that's really my hope 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: for him at this point is that this this allowed 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: the game to slow down a little bit for him, 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: and we will see even better play in these final 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: three games if he can manage to get out there. 78 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Tyler battish Um. He 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: was active last week coming back from his injury, but 80 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: he only played six snaps and they were on special teams. 81 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: And but do you expect him to return to the 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: starting center role and should he return to that role? 83 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: If you were making that decision. I think so, I 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: think once it's healthy. I know Mike McCarthy talked about 85 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: him and just kind of saying they're easing him back in, 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: and we saw a couple of plays, but it's it's 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: something that they're going to be careful with, supposed to 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: just throwing him in there. But yes, I would, And 89 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with Joe Looney. I still 90 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: think that if the season would be going in a 91 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: different way, then I would want Joe Looney to be 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: the center, the starting center. But at this point, like 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: you I just mentioned, you want to see these young 94 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: guys out there. You want to see them getting reps. 95 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: We know that that game date reps are very different 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: than practice reps and training camp reps, so this time 97 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: is very crucial to rookie guys like him. Dave, what 98 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, I'm really curious about that. You know, 99 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy isn't going to give too much away. He said 100 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: today that you know, we're gonna keep trying to give 101 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: Tyler opportunities. We're gonna ease him back, no idea what 102 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: that means, but I would absolutely put him back into 103 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: the starting line up. Tyler biadis has a definitive future here, 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: and we all love Joe Looney, but he doesn't. He's 105 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: up for a new contract in this spring, and you 106 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: know he's he's signed two or three contracts with the 107 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Cowboys at this point. Who knows how many more they 108 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: would want to sign him to. Whereas you know, Tyler's 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: got three more seasons on his rookie deal after this, 110 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's the heir to the starting job 111 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: and he needs the reps. I would plug him back 112 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: in there as soon as I feel comfortable about his health. 113 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it will depend upon 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of depend upon if 115 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: they're eliminated from the playoffs. I think right now, the 116 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: way the offensive line has been going, they've been playing 117 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: well of late, I don't think you necessarily want to 118 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: tinker with the chemistry until you're eliminated. If you're eliminated, 119 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: I would think that he'll be named the starter. He'd 120 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: get right in the lineup and get those rests. But 121 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: as long as they have like a sliver of hope, 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: I think they're probably going to keep it as it 123 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: is because they finally got it going in the right direction. 124 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: Who do you think is a better player at this point, 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: Joe Looney or Tyler Beyotish. I mean, I think Beyondish 126 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: obviously has more upside. I mean, Looney's able to do 127 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: it because of experiencing trickery. He knows all the tricks 128 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: of the trade and how to kind of use his 129 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: neighbors to help him. But eventually Tyler Beatis is going 130 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: to be the starter and hopefully a long term starter. 131 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: So you do want to get him in the lineup. 132 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: But I can't understand from a coach's mind because they're thinking, 133 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: here and now, let's go with the veteran. Let's go 134 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: with the crew that's been going the last few weeks, 135 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: and then we'll deal with it whenever we have to 136 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: deal with it if we're eliminated. All right, let's go 137 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: ahead and move into the segment, Bucky, where we're going 138 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the San Francisco forty 139 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: nine ers offense versus a Dallas defensive segment presented by 140 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: Chevron with tech Ron will start what we normally start. 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Give us the greatest asset and greatest weakness of the 142 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: San Francisco offense. The greatest asset is Kyle Shanahan. This 143 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: is a team that is very systematic and how they 144 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: approach it. He is by far one of the best 145 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: play designers in football, particularly in the run game. He 146 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: does an outstanding job of creating mismatches and big play 147 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: opportunities in the run and all of the teams that 148 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: have traditionally given the Cowboys problems. He is basically the 149 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: master of the scheme. And so when you think about 150 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, it's the same zone scheme. You think 151 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: about what some of the other teams have been able 152 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: to do successfully Baltimore, some of that stuff applies. But 153 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: he is going to attack the Cowboys the way that 154 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: everybody has. This is a team that utilizes pre snaps 155 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: shifts in motion on seventy percent of their down So 156 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: it's a lot of eye candy, a lot of movement, 157 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of misdirection, and based on how we've seen 158 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Laden vander esh and Jalen Smith and those guys get lost, 159 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: I would expect him to have all the gimmicks and 160 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: all of the shell game going to really make it 161 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: tough for them to find the ball. And then when 162 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: it comes to just a hodgepot to running backs and 163 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: the reason I'll talk too much about him, is because 164 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: they throw anybody in a running back. It could be 165 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: where he mosted, It could be Jeff Wilson, it can 166 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: be any of those guys that are available. We've seen 167 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: those guys go over a hunting yards. Because the combination 168 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 1: of the scheme and the way that he dials it 169 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: up makes it very, very difficult, and so it's a 170 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: very challenging offense to deal with, particularly when he also 171 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: uses the wide receivers in the running game. Brandon Ayuk 172 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: is basically a wing back, going back to your high 173 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: school days playing in the wing t He's the wing 174 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: back that is half running back, half receiver. They're gonna 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: give him a number of carries. Deebo Samuels is out, 176 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: so I would expect Brandon Ayuk to take a bigger 177 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: workload when it comes to the running game and those things. 178 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: And then the biggest weakness is the quarterback position. Nick 179 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Mullins is up and down. He's hiding cold. Maybe they 180 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: play CJ. Bethet because Muller's a struggle of late. But 181 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: either way, those guys aren't great. But what Shanahan does 182 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: does a great job of creating opportunities where they can't miss, 183 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: and so even bad quarterbacks look good in this system. 184 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: And so it is a huge challenge for the Cowboys, 185 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: one they can't have to really earn to win. Could 186 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: you please talk more about the receivers and how those 187 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: matchups may look like. We know how beat up this 188 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: secondary is and all of that. So it's that an 189 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: area where it could possibly become a threat for the Cowboys. Absolutely. 190 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: So what cow Shanahan wants to do is he wants 191 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: to use the running game as bait, to really bait 192 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: the trap, so you guys are out of place, and 193 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: then he takes a shot misdirection, deep shots and those 194 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: things full full flow, play action, max protect and take 195 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: a shot down the field. And so what has to 196 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: happen is Mike Nolan has to make it a very 197 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: early in the game. How am I going to stop 198 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: the run? Am I going to drop an extra defender 199 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: in the box? We've seen in the past what they 200 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: do is they'll show like a five man line, they'll 201 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: drop a safety in the box to have an eight 202 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: man front, and they'll leave their quarterbacks one on one. Well, 203 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: the problem with that is you will now see them 204 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: keep everybody in and they'll run two man routes where 205 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: you have Kendrick Bourne or Brennan Ayuk running double moves 206 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: or deep overs or crosses, and the Cowboys have had 207 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: a tough time picking up some of those old school routes. 208 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: So this, I would say, from an offensive standpoint, is 209 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: one of the biggest challenges. And it's not because of 210 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: the personnel, but it's because of the guy who has 211 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: the joystick in his hand and Kyle Shanahan. But yeah, 212 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: I feel like you kind of outlined all of my 213 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: concerns pretty thoroughly. And that's what I know of watching 214 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers is that even with a compromised 215 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: quarterback position, between the amount of motion that they do, 216 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: between the amount of different guys that they use in 217 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: the running game, it's a lot to it's a lot 218 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: to keep track of. Like I feel like every time 219 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: I turn their games on said Auk or when he's healthy, 220 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel's going around the end. They got like eighteen 221 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: different running backs that have had success in that offense. 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: What confidence should I have that the Cowboys are up 223 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: to that challenge? I mean, even and you know in 224 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: a normal matchup, you say like, Okay, they don't have 225 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: a good quarterback, you crowd the box and confidence that 226 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: the Cowboys can do that, I kind of lean toward no. 227 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: I think I think the number one priority has to 228 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: be to stop the run, because we've seen if they 229 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: can't stop the run, teams will absolutely obliterate them. We've 230 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: seen three hundred yard games towards the ninety four yard 231 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: games from the things. So this has to be a 232 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: concerted effort that you sell out to stop the run, 233 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: and didn't you just have to live with what you 234 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: give up in the passing game. I think the one 235 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: thing you can encourage the DBS is just keep the 236 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: ball in front, like keep the ball in front of 237 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: the defense, rallyan tackle, just don't let them have the explosive, 238 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: big place in the passing game. If they can die 239 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: a slow death on defense and maybe buckle down and 240 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: the rezon and forced him to kick field goals, that's 241 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: a win for the defense. But this is all hands 242 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: on deck to stop the running game. And the one 243 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: thing that I'm very confident in is Kyle Shanahan has 244 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: looked at the Redskins, the Ravens, the Browns. He has 245 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: looked at that tape over and over and over again, 246 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: and he is going to test the Cowboys front to 247 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: see if they have answered those problems that popped up. 248 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: And if they haven't, they're gonna have a strong dose 249 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: of runs and you may not see them throw a pass. Yeah, 250 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yes, you talk about did you talk about 251 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: this running attack? And you were talking about how he 252 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: uses all these different backs. It actually for those who 253 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: have been around watching the NFL for a while, they 254 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: may understand what I'm talking about. But it reminds me 255 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: of his dad, Mike Shanahan. When he was in Denver. 256 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: It seemed like they would run any running back in there, 257 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: like I'm a fantasy football player, and literally it would 258 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: be you didn't care who was the running back. You 259 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: just want to whoever was the starting running back in 260 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Denver because you knew they were going to get off 261 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: because he was going to figure out how to make 262 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: create opportunities for them. And it was even different kind 263 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: of backs. He liked those one cut kind of backs. 264 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: But but I say all that to get to Raheem Mostert, 265 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: who is leading this team in rushing right now. He's 266 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: an extremely fast running back, but since his return from injury, 267 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: he's only gained forty three yards against the Rams, forty 268 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: two yards against Buffalo, and then sixty five yards against 269 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: the Washington football team. Is this a function of the 270 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: quality of the run defenses he's faced, Is it his 271 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: health or is it something else? And how much of 272 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: a problem will he particularly be for the struggling Dallas 273 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: a run defense. The three defenses that you listed are 274 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: really really good at the front line. The La Rams 275 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: have Aaron Donald who's a problem their run defense. Their 276 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: defense overall has been really good. When you think about 277 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: the Washington football team, their d line loaded, they can 278 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: single handedly wreck shout with those guys up front. We've 279 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: seen them make a run because the defensive front has 280 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: been able to do it. And then Buffalo has gotten 281 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: better on defense and their tryhard group. So it's more 282 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: a byproduct of the competition. Not as much about him, 283 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: but what I do know about him him. He is 284 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: described as all those guys you used to talk about 285 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: in Denver Downhill, one cut running back, very decisive, not 286 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: a lot of dancing. They pride themselves and not having 287 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: negative runs, and so they tell their offensive line, your 288 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: job is to get the running back four yards. Once 289 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: you get the four yards running back, it's on your 290 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: job to do anything out of that. But they live 291 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: for the four yard run, and over time it wears 292 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: you down. And unlike a little bit those old Denver 293 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: teams that you talk about, what they used to do 294 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: is they used to cut you down on the back side. 295 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: And so what would happen after they cut the d 296 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: line the first quarter two? Those guys wouldn't chase as 297 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: hard and then you would see these huge gaps where 298 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: they would come out the back door. And so my 299 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: concern is will Dallas play hard enough up front to 300 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: will stand all of the chop blocking in those things 301 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: where they can not give up those big plays, Because 302 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: the play that sticks out in my mind is Kenyan 303 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: Drake at the end of the Arizona game win for 304 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: eighty yards. At the end, you can see those runs happen. 305 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: If the Cowboys don't kind of bring the big boys 306 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: plays and don't play with the kind of effort that 307 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: you need to play with the defendive team like this, 308 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I guess my next question would be about turnovers. And 309 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: we know that based on the game we saw last 310 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: week with the Cowboys defense, much of their success became 311 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: it came from turnovers and the ability to take away 312 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: the ball. Is how good are the forty nine ers 313 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: up protecting their ball? And is this a game where 314 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: the defense could possibly have not a similar game to 315 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: that where they can get their hands on the ball 316 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: and get it to the offense. You know, it's all 317 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: about really if they can win first down, that they 318 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: can have a chance win a first down means holding 319 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: the team to four yards a fewer. So now they 320 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: can put Nig Mullas in situations where he has to 321 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: pass in obvious passing downs. What the Niners want to 322 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: do because there's such a pass, play action pass heavy team, 323 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: they want to be in what we call mix downs 324 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: where it's second and five and as a decordinator, you 325 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: don't know if it's run or pass or it's first 326 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: in ten and you're gearing up to stop the run 327 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: and that's when they hit you with the play action pass. 328 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: And so it's about winning the early downs. So Mike 329 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: Nolan can dictate the turns with the call if they 330 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: can get them backed up. Yes, Nick Mules would turn 331 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: the ball over not only on interceptions but on phone 332 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: was because he can be careless with the ball. But 333 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: it's about stopping to run early to be able to 334 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: get into those situations where you can pin your ears 335 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: back and go after him. I know you mentioned him 336 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: at the top, as you know they use him as 337 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: a flanker. He's got you know, he's done a lot 338 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: of stuff in the running game. But looking at it, 339 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: Brandon Aiyuk like, I don't is he getting enough credit 340 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: for how good of a rookie season that he's having 341 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: because he's got fairly comparable stats to Ceedee Lamb and 342 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: obviously he's only had Jimmy Garoppolo for four or five 343 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: games this season. What I mean, obviously he's a first 344 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: round pick we knew is a good receiver. But what 345 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean what does he look like? How comfortable does 346 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: he look? And how much potential does he have to 347 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: hurt this defense as a true wide receiver. I'll say 348 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are very, very lucky that Deebo Samuels is 349 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: out because what happens is when you have Deepo Samuys 350 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: and Brandon Nayuk, you have two of the exact same guy. 351 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: They're physical, they're tough, they're outstanding with the ball in 352 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: their hands, and the best way to describe it is 353 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: like I said, as a wing back, they're basically running 354 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: backs at the wide receiver position, and the Niners do 355 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: a great job of putting the ball in their hands, 356 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: fly sweeps in the rounds, quick passes, crossing routes. They 357 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: want those guys to basically have punt returns where they're 358 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: kidding on the move and they're running through tackles on 359 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: the perimeter. He has been a fantastic player and as 360 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: a first rounder, he's lived up to exactly what they want. 361 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: And so as they build this team out with Deebo 362 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: Samuels and Brandon Nayuk and Jimmy Garoppolo, this is a 363 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: very tough offense to deal with. Luckily, Deebo Saniors isn't 364 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: available and the Cowboys don't have to worry about that 365 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: part of their offense. 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Let's talk about this 412 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: Dallas defense earlier this week, Jerry Jones, it may have 413 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: even been lad late last week, Jerry Jones was talking 414 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: on an interview with One on five Down three the Fan, 415 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: and he made the comment that if he had it 416 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: all to do over again, maybe they would have not 417 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: changed the defensive scheme knowing that they had the challenges 418 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: or you know, now knowing that they had the challenges 419 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: that they've had with COVID. My question for you guys 420 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: is is the scheme changed the biggest problem that the 421 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Dallas defense has faced this season. I'm gonna start first 422 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: with you, Dave. Yeah, I think so, just because you know, 423 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: they lost Gerald McCoy on the third day of training camp, 424 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: and obviously you know they've had to shuffle the secondary 425 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: a good bit, but we knew the secondary wasn't gonna 426 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: be this elite unit anyway. So I look at it 427 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: and I say, they haven't had nearly the personnel issues 428 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: that the offense has had. You know, they've had, you know, 429 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: standard injuries that come with a football season, but they 430 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: just haven't been decimated of all their most talented players 431 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: like the offense has, and I mean, I think it's 432 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: a little simplistic to pen the whole thing on changing 433 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: the scheme, because you know, again I keep saying, like, 434 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: teams have changed schemes all over the league and they 435 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: haven't struggled with it to the degree that the Cowboys have. 436 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: So I think I look at it as a as 437 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: a you know, an equation between like, they're not that talented, 438 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: they change the scheme, and then somewhere in the middle, 439 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: I think the guys that are here for whatever reason 440 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: just haven't committed to the scheme either. You know, you 441 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: go back to like September and October when the coaches 442 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: are very subtly suggesting that like, well, you know, guys 443 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: revert to what they know when they're not sure what 444 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: to do, which is basically like a very nice way 445 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: of saying, they're not doing what we're asking them to do. 446 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: They're freelancing, and that leads to really bad results. So 447 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of all three of those things. 448 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: But you could probably eliminate two of them if you 449 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: hadn't changed the scheme. So if you had stuck with 450 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: what you had, you would have not that talented defense, 451 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: but at least they would have confidence in what they 452 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: were doing, and maybe, you know, they would probably look 453 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: a little bit better even if they weren't great. Amber. Well, 454 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: we all know my football knowledge is somewhat limited and 455 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: I am no football expert here, So I'm going to 456 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: post a question to Bucky because in my eyes, and 457 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I get it, you get you have different schemes and 458 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: all that, But at the same time, I have a 459 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: hard time understanding why it is so hard to change 460 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: from schemes. Like the way I see it is that 461 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: every football player should be able to adapt to whatever 462 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: the scheme is and to be able to figure out 463 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: how to fit in whatever is being asked. At the 464 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: same time, from a coaching standpoint, I see it like 465 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: you should adjust your scheme based on the talent that 466 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: you have and what your players are more capable of doing. 467 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: But my question, Bucky, is it's just that Why is 468 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: it so hard? Why is scheme such a big deal 469 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: and so complicated when it comes to a transition and 470 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: changing between a four to three and a three four 471 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't get it, man. I think we could do 472 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: an entire podcast on this issue. When it comes to 473 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, when it starts leadership, Mike Nolan is a 474 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: drastically different leader than Rod Marinelli and Christopher Shardon in 475 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: terms of the way that he commands the room. He's 476 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: a little more dos Allen his approach, and he wants 477 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: to teach and maybe negotiate with the players as opposed 478 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: to kind of demanding and setting high standards and pulling 479 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: guys out. And so you saw some of that happen early. 480 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: In terms of the complexity of the scheme, the scheme 481 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: that was in existence before was very, very simple. It 482 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: was basically a high school team. They lined up and 483 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: the same thing. They did it over and over again, 484 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: and they believed through repetition that you cleared the mind. 485 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: You allowed guys to play fast and they would make 486 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: plays because they were more confident because they knew exactly 487 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: what to do and how to do it. And you 488 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: spent your time coaching effort and those things. Mike Nolan 489 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: wanted to add more complexity to the thing early on. 490 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: Remember in the opening press conference, he was like, Hey, 491 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: We're just not going to line up in that old 492 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: high school cover three. It is too good, Like you 493 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: have to have more variances or whatever. And so the 494 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: more that you do, the more veritables come into it, 495 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: the more that you have to explain to the players 496 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: and the more that they have to understand. And when 497 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: you have so many moving parts, young guys coming in, 498 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: veterans coming in everything, I think a lot was lost 499 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: in translation, and so with out OTAs and all that 500 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: other stuff, it was just a recipe for disaster. But 501 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: then once you get into the season, it's on the 502 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: coordinated to be able to recognize, we're not very good 503 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: at these things. So I'm only going to call these 504 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: handful of plays and we're gonna get good at that. 505 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: And it took them a long time to recognize that. 506 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: And I still don't know if they've settled into here's 507 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: what we're good and if we're just gonna run these 508 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: things because this is all that our players understand. So 509 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: then the follow up question to that is do they 510 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: have the right players right now to be able to 511 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: play successfully play a three fourth scheme? Dave, No, No, 512 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean no, hey, I don't know that 513 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: they have any of those components. I mean you don't. Okay, 514 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't take me farther, Take me a little farther and 515 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: tell me specifically, where do you think they need different 516 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: players or players that maybe you think right now you 517 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: could work here in this defense. I take that back. 518 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory could play in a three four, but I've 519 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: never seen DeMarcus Lawrence as a three four guy. It 520 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's adapted all that well to standing up. 521 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: You don't really have the bodies that ideally that you 522 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: need for a three four front, like you know, the 523 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: three four ends and the nose tackle. Tyrone Crawford was 524 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: drafted to do that, but I don't think you would 525 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: want him to do it now, which I mean, are you, like? 526 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: Are we? And I don't even know. It's interesting because 527 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: we don't know for sure where this is going. I 528 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: think that's one of the more frustrating things about this 529 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: season with Mike Nolan is you know, say what you 530 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: will about Rod Marinelli, but you knew exactly what he 531 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and you knew exactly what he wanted 532 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: his defense to look like. Like is like we see 533 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: we talk about this hybrid stuff or they have four 534 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: three or they have three four. Sometimes guys are standing up, 535 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: but it's not a it's not a three it's not 536 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: a three four front. This defense has never seemed to 537 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: have an identity under Mike Nolan. Maybe that's because he 538 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: doesn't have the ideal personnel, But will he be here 539 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one to help them acquire the personnel 540 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: that they need or will I mean, even if they do, Like, 541 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: even if let's just let's just hypothesize that Mike Nolan 542 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: stays here, what what is it going to look like. 543 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: Is he gonna be like, all right, we're going all 544 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: in on this three four thing and we're gonna draft 545 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: for that and mold it around that I don't really know, 546 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: And honestly, with the personnel that you have here, I 547 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't want to. I think I said this the 548 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: other day, like DeMarcus Lawrence is the best and the 549 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: most expensive guy, and you're committed to him, and I 550 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: think he should probably be playing on a four man line. 551 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: And so that's that's what I would do. Is And 552 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you have to run Rod's scheme again. 553 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: But I don't know that I would want to just 554 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: blow this thing up and completely renovate it while I 555 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: have guys under contract that are tailored for a different scheme. 556 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts? Man? It's tough because Dave 557 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: outline a bunch of issues because right now what you 558 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: have is a mess. You have some of what fits 559 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: what Rod Marinella and Christian Chardon those guys want to do, 560 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: and you have some of what Mike Nolan wants to do. 561 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: And so the first thing you have to do is 562 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: figure out are we going to go forward with this 563 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: marriage with Mike Nolan because it doesn't make sense to 564 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: go forward. But then you're hedging your bet and then 565 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: you give him his players, and then in the middle 566 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: of next season you fire him, and then the way 567 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: you go, you wasted another year. I think it's really 568 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of samantas in terms of three four and 569 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: four to three, like you have four bodies and whether 570 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: you call DeMarcus Lawrence autside linebacker Edge Dresher, he's one 571 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: of the thing. I think the main thing is can 572 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: you call the defense that allows to Marcus Lawrence and 573 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and Vander esh to do what they do best. 574 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: That's the main thing. And in the secondary what happened 575 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: there was a change. Right part of the reason why 576 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: Bryan Jones didn't come back is because there was a 577 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of conversation about buying Jones not generating turnovers, Well, 578 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: you don't generate turnovers when you play man demand because 579 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: your back is to the quarterback. If you want to 580 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: get interceptions, you play zones so you can see the 581 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: ball come out of the quarterback's hands, which is what 582 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: we've seen. They played more off in theory to get interceptions, 583 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: off tips and overthrows in those things. The thing is, 584 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: I still think it's a mess in the secondary because 585 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: Diggs can play that way, but a Woozier and the 586 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: other guys are not necessarily built to play that way. 587 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: And so this has to be a meaning of the minds. 588 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: And the biggest decision that they will make is what 589 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: to do with Mike Nolan and his scheme because Will 590 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: McClean the scouts, they don't know who to go get, 591 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: because everybody doesn't fit how they want to play, and 592 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: so it's a mess. And because of that, that is 593 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: what we've seen on the field, a mess. So we're 594 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: gonna take our final break when we come back. We're 595 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: gonna get all those topics that Bucky just highlighted. We're 596 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: gonna talk about whether Mike Nolan should be back. We're 597 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: also going to talk about that secondary. There are a 598 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: lot of guys are going to be free agents, and 599 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: how many of those guys should be coming back? Are 600 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: they a good scheme fit here in Dallas. If Dallas 601 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: keeps Mike Nolan decides to go the route that we 602 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: think he wants to go, we'll do all that when 603 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: we come right back. 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How 640 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: much benefit of the doubt should be given to Mike 641 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: Nolan because of COVID and what he wanted to do, 642 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: And should he get a chance to maybe try this 643 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: after an offseason where maybe they can get more players 644 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: that can fit a scheme that it seems like he 645 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: wants to go to Amber. No, that's nonsense. There's zero 646 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt here, and I'm gonna tell you why. Okay, 647 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't want to minimize what's happened 648 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: with COVID. Obviously know how big of an impact that 649 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: has affected everyone around the world. But when it comes 650 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys and COVID and all of that, when 651 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: you look at it and you compare other teams in 652 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: the NFL, the Cowboys have been one of the least 653 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: affective teams around the NFL and they haven't really had 654 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: to deal with something huge or a breakout here with 655 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Now, the way I look at it, you 656 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: guys talked about scheme just now, this is not a 657 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: year where you come in trying to implement new things. 658 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: You need to adjust. You need to adjust to your players, 659 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: look at what's not working and make the right changes. 660 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: Because this is because of the lack of training camp, 661 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, the lack of the off season, the ability 662 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: of being together in person and practicing together for a 663 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: longer period of times and all that. It's going to 664 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: affect the whole wanting to teach new things and implement 665 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: all those things. So I think that Mike Nolan as 666 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: a coach, just in general, a coach should be able 667 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: to arrange things to I can think of the right word, 668 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: but accommodate the players better, something that suits the players better. 669 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: And again, one of the things to me is that 670 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: when something's not working, then change it. Change it. It's 671 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: you don't need to be so com you don't need 672 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: to overcomplicate things. And realistically speaking, you cannot change your 673 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: whole defense. You cannot go out in the draft and 674 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: try to draft all the players that are gonna be 675 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: benefiting what you're looking to do as far as scheme wise. 676 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: So that's the time where you need to take a 677 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: step back and go go out of what you're wanting 678 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: to do and try to figure out a better game 679 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: plan for what you have right now that fits your players. 680 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: So don't talk to me about COVID and any of that, 681 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: because there's no benefit of the DOAO here, all right, Bucky, 682 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: I think you have to I think you have to 683 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: move on. I don't think. I don't think you get 684 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt because when I look at 685 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: the LA Rams and how they become a dominant unit 686 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: under Brandon's daily his first year, a lot of it 687 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: is due to being a great teacher, being a great communicator, 688 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: being able to hold guys accountable, and so it's not 689 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: really about the scheme. It's about the leadership part of it. 690 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: And I think Mike McCarthy has said this a few 691 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: times where he talked about a the chemistry and the 692 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: continuity not necessarily of the players, but of the coaching staff. 693 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: And when he said that, my ears perked up. I 694 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: think there's a little buyer's remorse with some of the 695 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: coaches outside of Mike Nolan that are on that staff. 696 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: And I don't have anything to say that, but I 697 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: just believe that from a teaching standpoint, when you have 698 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: all of the issues that have taken place, somewhere it 699 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: trickles down from the coordinator to the position coaches where 700 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: it's not being communicated or taught effectively, And so I 701 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: think they're gonna do a deep dive under the hood 702 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: to figure out why this wasn't taught while we're not 703 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: playing at a level that we should be playing yet, 704 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: because it shouldn't be this difficult when I look at 705 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: some of those teams that have a success on defense, 706 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: we have new coordinators, Dave, Are any of the like 707 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: hundreds of players that get cut or don't get offered 708 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: contracts with their teams this offseason going to get the 709 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, Like if they went out and 710 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: just didn't perform up to expectations, had bad seasons, Like yeah, there. 711 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million reasons why that might be 712 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: the case, but front officers probably aren't going to give 713 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: them a benefit of the doubt, like, oh, cheetoh, we 714 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: just we think you'll be a lot better in a 715 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: non pandemic year. We don't have a ton of tape 716 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: that suggests otherwise, But we're just going to offer you 717 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: this nice contract because we like you. Like No, that 718 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: doesn't happen for players. It shouldn't happen for coaches. And 719 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: I agree with Bucky's point about the Rams, but I'll 720 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: even say, you know, the Rams have Aaron Donald and 721 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, like they've got some amazing pieces there. But again, 722 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: I'll say it for the million time, the New York 723 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: Giants and the Carolina Panthers, both new coaching staff, first 724 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: year NFL head coaches. They're not great defenses, but they're 725 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: they're solid, especially the Giants. The Giants are in top 726 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: ten and scoring, you know, like a whole new coaching 727 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: staff asking players to do different things. And the Giants 728 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: they have some talented players. They've got some first round 729 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: picks on that defense, but not anybody that's you know, 730 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: we're not talking about like the best of the best 731 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL on that defense. They're just executing and 732 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to do. And for that matter, 733 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: I can't help it, you know, I can't help but 734 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: think about the offseason and training camp, like everybody loves 735 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: to say, like, oh my god, how many times did 736 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: we hear like, actually, the virtual installation was really smooth, 737 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: Like the guys handled it like pros, Like nobody it 738 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: was awesome, like we did a great job of the 739 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: virtual installation, and now here we are in December and 740 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: they suck, And it's like, well, of course we suck. 741 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,919 Speaker 1: We did everything virtually well, you told me it wasn't 742 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: a problem, so I don't expect it to be a problem. 743 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: And I don't want to make light of the pandemic. 744 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: It's it sucks. I'm so sick of it. It has 745 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: affected my life and my mental health. I can't imagine 746 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: trying to play football at a high level on top 747 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: of all that. But this is the profession that you 748 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: have chosen, and you're at the very top level of it, 749 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: and it just goes with the dinner, as Jason Garrett 750 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: likes to say. So, no, there's there's no benefit of 751 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: the doubt. Let me pick it back on this there quickly. 752 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: I think one thing that you have to understand when 753 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: you talk about the Giants and the scheme today run. 754 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: The Giants put a huge priority on making sure that 755 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 1: they had high IQ guys on their defense because their 756 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: defense has a level of complexity. The previous defense that 757 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: Dallas ran, it didn't necessarily require you to have guys 758 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: that were high IQ guys because it was very simple 759 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: and it allowed you to just play on instincts and reactions. 760 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: And so when you have a room full of guys 761 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: that may not necessarily be a level students, and then 762 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: you come in with a complex defense, you begin to 763 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: have some of those issues. And so when they talk 764 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,959 Speaker 1: about freelancing and those things, it may not have been freelancing. 765 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: It may have been a lack of comprehension. And the 766 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: pandemic exposed your ability to teach, and if you're not 767 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: a good teaching, you can't meet students in different levels. 768 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: We see what plays out. I'm not saying that I 769 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: have anything on that, but I think it's something to 770 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: consider when you think about the mental lapses that occurred 771 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: early in the year with this defense. Yeah, and I 772 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: agree with that, Buck. I do think though, the other 773 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: thing to consider about that is that also means that 774 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: it's equally hard to know. And Dave mentioned that they 775 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: were talking about how well it was going with the 776 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: virtual installation. Well, it's hard to know when you're doing 777 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: installation virtually whether guys are picking up the information. You 778 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: won't know that until you throw them out on the field. 779 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: So it was probably a little short cited for them 780 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: to make the comment that everything's going well. They don't 781 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: know everything's going well. They can't see that until they 782 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: get the guys on the field, and especially if they 783 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: have issues where these guys really aren't comprehending it, where 784 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: the product actually looks like they were not comprehen ending it. 785 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: They didn't know that until they gotten them on the field. 786 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, like, once they got the training camp 787 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: and they're having the coaches meetings after each practice, I'm wondering, 788 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: how much of the conversation is, oh, gosh, they really 789 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing out there, like they look lost. Now, 790 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't happening because they had an offensive line 791 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: that was really banged up, and so it looked like 792 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: every play your pass rushers are going to get home 793 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: every play. Right, That's how it looked during training camp, 794 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: and that may have given them a false sense of security. 795 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: But at some point they had to figure out once 796 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: they got these guys on the field, they weren't comprehending 797 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: the information. And that's coaching, and so that's the part 798 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: of coaching. Coaching is the ability to see where we 799 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: are and to make to make changes. And I won't 800 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: just put this on Mike Nolan. Part of that is 801 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: on Mike McCarthy too, because Mike McCarthy has to look 802 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: and look at all the bewildered defenders and the guys 803 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: with the wild like deer and head lights looking. He 804 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: has to say, hey, Mike, tighten this up. We gotta 805 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: scale it back, make it simple. I want the guys 806 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: to play fast, and I don't care if they line 807 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: up in cover for the entire game. I don't want 808 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: any mental bus And so it's all of that, and 809 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: so part of the reset. If I'm ownership, I'm talking 810 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: to Mike McCarthy, Hey man, the first year of your program, 811 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: like we kind of got sold a bill of goods, 812 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: and so we need to see that stuff that happened 813 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, because we're now going to climb to 814 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: think maybe it was Aaron Rodgers and not the other stuff. 815 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: And I didn't think it was like that before. All right, 816 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: let's move on with I was just gonna say another 817 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: aspect of being a great teacher to me is the 818 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: inspirational and motivational part of it, because I think, especially 819 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: in a year like this, you know, and Dave you 820 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: mentioned mental health. I mean, this is a your word. 821 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: It has affected all of us. And when you see 822 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: the way that the defense was playing at the beginning 823 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: of the year, the lack of motivation, the lack of 824 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: energy that has to do that has to come from 825 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: whoever the voice is in that room, whoever is speaking. 826 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think this team 827 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: is missing from Jason Garrett was that part of being 828 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: that inspiration and motivating people. And we've been in some 829 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: of those meetings with Jason Garrett talking and where I mean, 830 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and at the end of it, I'm like, 831 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: all right, who do we gotta take down? Like I'm motivated. 832 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: So I think that the players that needed that, and 833 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: I feel that that's another mental part of the game 834 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: that we don't talk about enough that I think that 835 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: they've missed this year. Yeah, Amber to go off of that. 836 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: So when you're building your coaching staff out, you want 837 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: to make sure that you don't have too many of 838 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: the same kind of guys. And so Mike McCarthy is 839 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: kind of laid back. Mike Nolan is laid back. Where 840 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: you guys are there, who is the guy to get 841 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: them going? Like, who is the coach that stands up 842 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: in the room, it's like no, Yes, who is the 843 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: guy on the defensive staff that is like, no, this 844 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: is unacceptable. I don't care what you guys are telling me. 845 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: We're not running to the ball. Look at the tape. 846 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: You can't have everyone trying to be their friend. Somebody 847 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: has to be the depend in the room. You would 848 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: think Tom Sula is that kind of guy, at least 849 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: from what I've heard of him. I've never met him, 850 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 1: because again we haven't met most of these guys as 851 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: we would in a normal year, but you would think 852 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: he would be that kind of guy that just kind 853 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: of tells it like it is. But you're right, Bucky. 854 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: We saw the difference when Christoph Shard got here and 855 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: how he was in guy's faces, and that made a 856 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: difference for that first year he was here, I think 857 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: where guys were taking notice and they were they were 858 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: responding to it, and I think that's a big part 859 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: of it. It was probably and I think Amber's absolutely 860 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: right on this, It was probably the best part of 861 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett brings as a coach, in my opinion, 862 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: is his ability to motivate, because it was very rare 863 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: during his time here. When you saw them having games 864 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: where they didn't where they lacked effort, or where they 865 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: just got completely blown out. He had a way of 866 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: getting his team motivated to play. They may not have 867 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: always made all the right decisions. I questioned a lot 868 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: of things they did from a tactical standpoint, but when 869 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,439 Speaker 1: it came to motivating his team and getting them ready 870 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: to play, from that standpoint, it seemed like he was very, 871 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: very very good at that. Real quick before we in 872 00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: the show, I did want to talk a little bit 873 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: about the secondary. Mike McCarthy said this morning on his 874 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 1: press conference that some of the young secondary players played 875 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: well last week. Who did you guys think played well? 876 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: You have guys like Richard Robinson, Savian Smith, Deontay Burden 877 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: that we're out there, and did any of them make 878 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: a case or starting to make a case that maybe 879 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: they should be back next year with all of the 880 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: free agents that you have in the secondary. Let's start 881 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: first with you, Bucky. I mean, they played well, but 882 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we dropped out of standards so low 883 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: that we're okay with just not given, you know, giving 884 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: them passing March because they didn't let the ball fly 885 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: over the head and it was the Cincinnati Bengals. I 886 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: think Savian Smith and Richard Robinson have a role, maybe 887 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: as the fourth and fifth guy, but I think for 888 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: this team to compete, because you have to remember, this 889 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: team has to be built to defeat the New York Johnson, 890 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: the Washington Riskins, and those teams aren't going anywhere with 891 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: the defenses that they have. You have to get a 892 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: level players in the secondary. And I can say outside 893 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: of Dicks that I really would be fired up about 894 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: bringing any of those guy back that are hanging around 895 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: as free agents. Camber. I mean, I know we're running 896 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: out of time as far as the season goes, but 897 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: some of these guys, I mean, I just haven't seen enough. 898 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: That game wasn't enough for me to base an opinion. 899 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 1: And then the one thing that I'll say, though, based 900 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: on that game and the way that they were playing, 901 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: that I liked was at least the fight. We just 902 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: got done talking about motivation. We know the secondary was 903 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: struggling with injuries and a lot of guys. Some of 904 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: those guys got hurt in the game and all that 905 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: one of them came back in and all, but still 906 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: there was the one to fight and the will to 907 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: go out there and at least try to play good. 908 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: So that's the aspect that I saw that I liked 909 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: from those young players in that game. But as far 910 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: as performances that just that wasn't enough for me to 911 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: base an opinion on them just yet. Dave, I'm definitely 912 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm not about to like it's the Bengals, it's Brandon Allen. 913 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: Good for you that I did. I did think that 914 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: Richard robin and played really well, and I he intrigued 915 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: me especially I full disclosure, I'm I'm more familiar with 916 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: him than most would be because he did go to LSU. 917 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: He was a fourth of course, of course, just saying, 918 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean, just saying, but he is. Honestly, he is 919 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: exactly the type of guy that the Cowboys would sign 920 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: in free agency. You know, he's a fourth round pick. 921 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 1: He's kind of kicked around the league. He's started fifteen 922 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: to twenty games, which is not a small amount for 923 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: a guy who's back at the depth chart. He's a 924 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: lot like I'm not saying their games are similar, but 925 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: it's a similar signing to Maurice Kennedy, who people forget 926 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,280 Speaker 1: about because he opted out before the season. Started, so 927 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, if they want to bring him back to 928 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 1: be their fourth or fifth guy because he's dirt cheap, 929 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I think he's 930 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: played up to that level. But this is we're not 931 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: talking about a guy who's going to come in and 932 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: hopefully be a meaningful part of your secondary I'm really 933 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: intrigued by that because you know they're gonna need to 934 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: sign somebody. You know, they always say, like you address, 935 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: you address things in free agency so that you don't 936 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: go into the draft with an insane need. And as 937 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: it stands right now, they're going to have an insane 938 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: need if they don't sign somebody. So whether it's Cheeto 939 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: or Jordan Lewis or somebody from outside, either way, like 940 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: they're going to need to sign a starting caliber cornerback 941 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: in free agency, and history tells us that they will 942 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: probably resign one of their own to avoid having to 943 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: spend as much money. I know that's not what people 944 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,720 Speaker 1: want to hear, but that's what I expect, So um, 945 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 1: I'll be interested. Yeah, Like I said, Richard Robinson is 946 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: a guy that I could see them bringing back just 947 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: so that they say they can say, well, we've got 948 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,760 Speaker 1: a guy who's capable of starting in case of emergency. 949 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: Don't forget Xavier Woods there at safety is also God's 950 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: going to be a free agent. They got a lot 951 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: of things that they got, They got them work, They 952 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: have work to do, and you would think they can 953 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: let him go. Yeah, you go down that list and 954 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: you can get rid of a lot of those guys. 955 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: I think it goes back to what Dave saying, Now, 956 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: you got to replace him. So will his group got 957 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: to get to work because they're gonna have to either 958 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: go out in free agency or they're gonna have to 959 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: go in the draft, and they got have to replace 960 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: all those guys that they're willing to let walk and 961 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: and and probably walk or both. Yeah, exactly, all right, 962 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys join us. We'll be back tomorrow. 963 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: Bucky's gonna join us again and talk just this time 964 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: I think about about the forty nine Ers defense versus 965 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. But if he wants to stick around, 966 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: he can stick around and talk a little bit more 967 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys football with us. Till for for Bucky Brooks, Dave 968 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: Helm and Pars about to say there and we miss you. Nick. 969 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: We'll hopefully have be like tomorrow. Well, we'll see you 970 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: guys tomorrow. This has been The Break live on Dallas 971 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Radio. 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