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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace, February twenty six, Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: six am. From everything we can tell, that is the

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Speaker 1: moment that Sebastian's mom and stepdad realize he's gone for.

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Speaker 2: Just one moment.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that you go in your child's room where you

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Speaker 1: find your child every single school day morning and you

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Speaker 1: wake them up, but at six am, he's not there.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine what must have gone through their minds.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear what his

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Speaker 1: bio mom, Katie Proudfoot says, listen.

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Speaker 3: Sebastian Rogers' mother, Katie Brownfoot, spoke with WSMV and explained

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Speaker 3: exactly what happened the morning she found her son missing.

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Speaker 4: When I welcome up for school, he wasn't there. I

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Speaker 4: took a second walk through the house looking for him

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Speaker 4: in case you'd gotten up and was trying to get

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Speaker 4: breakfast or something, because you did that sometimes. About three

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Speaker 4: minutes in give or take, I was on the phone

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Speaker 4: with my husband. I said I can't find him. He said,

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Speaker 4: what do you mean, can't find him?

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Speaker 1: I said, he's not n can't find him.

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Speaker 2: Where is he?

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Speaker 1: And in the last days we learned that the official

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Speaker 1: law enforcement search is actually scaling back this as tiktalkers

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Speaker 1: and YouTubers are flooding the area conducting their own searches.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Eric Kratick, Chief Deputy Sumner County Sheriffs.

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Speaker 5: Really wanted to come to the community to ask for

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Speaker 5: your help. We need you to search your properties every day,

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Speaker 5: morning and night. If there's a shed or a cross

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Speaker 5: space or up under your mobile home, or a tarp

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Speaker 5: that's in your yard, check it every morning and check

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Speaker 5: it every night. But for any details that something has

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Speaker 5: been disturbed. If there's a shirt that was there today

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Speaker 5: that wasn't there yesterday, notify us. You can really help

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Speaker 5: us by searching your own property twice a day. Like

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Speaker 5: I said, we're operating under assumption that Sabastian walked off,

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Speaker 5: and we really need your help to ensure that he

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Speaker 5: is brought home safely.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to determine what happened when this young boy,

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Speaker 1: an autistic young boy, seemingly walks out of his own

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Speaker 1: home in the middle of the night. We think barefoot,

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Speaker 1: how did that happen? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: and on series X SEM one eleven. We've read a

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Speaker 1: lot online, We've seen a lot of theory, a lot

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Speaker 1: of speculation, but let's start with what we know to

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Speaker 1: be true.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now in All Star panel.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go to two special guests

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Speaker 1: joining us, Katie and Chris Proudfoot. This is Sebastian's biological

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Speaker 1: mother and his stepfather who were in their home with

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Speaker 1: Sebastian when he goes missing. To both of the proud.

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Speaker 2: Foots, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, thank you for being with us. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go straight back to when Sebastian goes missing, Miss Proudfoot.

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Speaker 1: I understand that the day before, which would have been Sunday,

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Speaker 1: if I've got the information correct, that you guys went out,

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Speaker 1: you went to dinner, you went to somewhere I believe

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Speaker 1: you said b jays or he had a quote Coloss popcorn,

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Speaker 1: and then you came home that night and around nine

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Speaker 1: pm you tell Sebastian to go to bed. He says

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Speaker 6: Is that correct, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: That night, I.

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Speaker 1: Understand from previous statements you've made that you went to

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Speaker 1: bed around midnight. Is that correct, it is. And to you,

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Speaker 1: mister Proudfoot, Chris Prowdfoot, did you also go to bed

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Speaker 1: at midnight or before or after?

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Speaker 3: No, man, we went around. We went to bed around

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Speaker 3: the same time as we were on the phone together.

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Speaker 1: Please excuse you any of my questions. I'm simply trying

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Speaker 1: to find out more about that night. Do you too

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Speaker 6: He wasn't actually in the home at all that weekend,

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Speaker 6: Christopher wasn't.

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Speaker 2: You were not home, no, ma'am. Okay, So where were you,

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Speaker 2: mister Proudfoot?

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Speaker 3: I was in Memphis, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: How far away is that?

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Speaker 3: Three hours and thirty seven minutes from doorstep to doorstep?

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Speaker 2: And what were you doing in Memphis working? Where do

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Speaker 3: I'm currently working or was working at the Saint Jude

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very familiar with Saint Jud's.

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Speaker 2: You said you were working there. Are you no longer

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Speaker 3: Right now? That's up in the air.

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Speaker 1: Well. You've been gone ever since Sebastian went missing. So

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Speaker 1: I understand when you are home. Do you two sleep

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Speaker 1: in the same bedroom, yes, ma'am. Is this a three

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Speaker 3: Room, It's on the opposite end of the house. The

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Speaker 3: master bedrooms on one side and the other the two

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So your master bedroom is on one side of the

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Speaker 2: Is that correct, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now you have a third bedroom that I believe

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Speaker 1: you keep for your other daughter. Is that correct, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Is that Faith is your other daughter named Faith?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So where is Fate's bedroom as it relates to Bastian's.

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Speaker 3: Bedroom, It's on the back side of the house. Sebastian's

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Speaker 1: Okay, So his bedroom is away from Faith's bedroom and

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Speaker 2: Is that correct, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Is Sebastian's room on a top floor or a floor

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Speaker 1: a ground level?

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Speaker 3: We have a ranch style house. It's a one and

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Speaker 3: you have the bonus from above the garage.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So his is on ground floor, right, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: That morning was there any sign of a break in

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Speaker 1: down glass door, anything at all, no, ma'am. Okay, no

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Speaker 6: Not that we could find anything. We couldn't find anything missing.

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Speaker 1: I want to circle back to Sebastian's shoes regarding if

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Speaker 2: Do you have a burglar alarm?

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Speaker 6: No, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: No, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Have the two of you taken a polygraph?

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Speaker 4: I have?

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Speaker 7: I have not?

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Speaker 1: Would you be willing to?

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Speaker 3: I've offered and volunteered on many occasions to take a polygraph,

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Speaker 3: and I was told directly by law enforcement because of

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Speaker 1: I understand, Miss Proudfoot. Did you pass your polygraph? I

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Speaker 1: did those questions out of the way. Was faith in

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Speaker 3: No, no, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone else have a key to your home beside

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Speaker 6: No, no, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: That night, Miss Proudfoot, at midnight when you went to bed,

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Speaker 6: I had been reading a chapter that I needed to

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Speaker 6: And that's what I did. I gotta put the dogs

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Speaker 6: where they sleep, and then I myself went to bed.

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Speaker 2: Where do they sleep?

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Speaker 6: They have a big pen a pin.

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Speaker 2: Is it inside or outside?

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Speaker 6: Inside?

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Speaker 1: Inside? That reminds you of another question. Do you guys

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Speaker 3: Yes, we do have lights on the outside of our house.

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Speaker 1: Did they activate that night?

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Speaker 3: They're not motion censored? We have lights motions.

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Speaker 1: Were they on that night? No, ma'am, okay, were they

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Speaker 1: on that night? So the lights were out the whole night, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: We don't typically turn the flood lights on.

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Speaker 2: Were there any lights outside the house on at all?

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Speaker 6: Just my little solar lights that we have in the garden.

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Speaker 3: There's two lights on the side of the house above

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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, those are.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's a lot above the garage is on at

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Speaker 3: There's two, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so those lights were on, yes, ma'am. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking is because I heard you say earlier,

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Speaker 1: with their ring camera info. Yes, and I was trying

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Speaker 1: they may have caught. But I understand from your previous

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Speaker 1: interviews that nothing of any evidentiary value was caught. And also,

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Speaker 1: that's not exactly what that was at all. We now

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Speaker 1: don't believe that two flashlights were observed around your home.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: You're very correct, okay. Question regarding your vehicles, Miss Proudfoot,

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Speaker 1: what making model do you drive?

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Speaker 6: I drive a Infinity SUV year twenty seventeen, and sir,

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Speaker 6: what do you drive?

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Speaker 3: Can drive a diesel truck Chevrolet year I don't remember

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Speaker 3: off the top of man, I think it's a twenty

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Speaker 1: I think so. Your Infinity Suv was parked in the

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Speaker 1: the garage in the garage, and mister Proudfoot, your vehicle

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Speaker 1: was on location in Memphis?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's only one car at the home? Is

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Speaker 3: There was actually a word vehicle in the driveway at

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Speaker 3: the time as well, but it hasn't moved. We can't

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Speaker 3: just we can't give out that information because we're not

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: What about the making model of the vehicle.

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Speaker 6: I have a work fan that was also parked in

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Speaker 1: Why is that if it's out in the driveway where

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Speaker 1: people can see it, why is that.

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Speaker 2: Privileged information?

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Speaker 3: We just don't have permission from her company to divulge

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Speaker 3: that information.

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Speaker 1: Have you asked?

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Speaker 3: No, memory, have not. Nobody has asked us that question

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you have a work van. Question to you,

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Speaker 1: miss profit? What do you do for a living?

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Speaker 6: I am an installation technician.

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Speaker 1: That night, was the workvan blocking your driveway? Could someone

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Speaker 6: The van is parked at the back of my driveway

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Speaker 6: so someone can pull in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, got it? Do you part your Infinity SUV in

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Speaker 6: In the garage?

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Speaker 1: In the garage, do you have an automatic garage door

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Speaker 2: Do you leave that up or down at night?

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Speaker 4: Down?

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Speaker 1: Could anybody lift it up?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Is there an aut and off button outside? Or do

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Speaker 1: you have to know a code or have the clicker

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Speaker 6: You'd have to know the code or have the clicker.

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Speaker 1: Does Sebastian know the code not to.

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Speaker 6: The garage store, but to the man doors.

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Speaker 1: Not to the garage door, but to the.

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Speaker 6: The house door. Yes?

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Speaker 1: So is there a code to get in your home

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Speaker 1: and he knows that code, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Question.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how he would have

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Speaker 1: they have gotten through the garage door? No, unless they

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Speaker 2: Do you lock your doors.

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Speaker 1: At night, yes, ma'am. Could he have left on his own.

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Speaker 2: Through those doors?

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Speaker 6: He could, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: But I heard in another interview where mister Proudfoot said

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Speaker 1: he was not a quote wanderer, He didn't wander around.

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Speaker 2: He never left the home before on his own.

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Correct? We haven't had issues with him running or taking

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a couple of questions regarding

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Speaker 1: a window not directly from our host, well then from where.

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Speaker 6: That's what we were hoping that neighborhood ring cameras and

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to that night. You said

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Speaker 1: you were up till midnight. You were reading something. What

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Speaker 1: were you reading?

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Speaker 6: A chapter for school?

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Speaker 2: A chapter for school? Are you in school?

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Speaker 6: I was, yes, ma'am. I've since dropped my classes for

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Speaker 1: What are you studying?

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Speaker 6: Business administration?

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Speaker 1: Where do you go to school?

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Speaker 6: Debray?

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Speaker 1: So that night you go to bed at midnight, after

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Speaker 1: you've been talking to mister Profit on the phone, you

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Speaker 1: put the dogs away in a cage, a crate inside

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Speaker 1: on Sebastian at that time?

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Speaker 4: I did not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you normally not?

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Speaker 6: Typically, since he's gotten older, I've not been checking on

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Speaker 1: Earlier, you had stated you heard a noise in his

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Speaker 2: What time is that?

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Speaker 1: Around ten o'clock ten pm? What did it sound like?

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Speaker 1: Just a thud a thud? You stated that, you said, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you're doing in there, go to bed.

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: I was on the couch which is near his room,

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Speaker 6: and I said, Bubba, did you fall out of the

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Speaker 6: bed And he said no, ma'am. And I said, well,

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Speaker 6: whatever you're doing in there, knock it off and go

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Speaker 6: to sleep.

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Speaker 1: So you heard his voice at ten pm, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea what the sound actually was.

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Speaker 4: I do not know.

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Speaker 1: If he were to go out his window, what would

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Speaker 1: he step on?

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Speaker 6: Mulch and bushes?

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Speaker 2: Got it? Has he ever gone out the window before?

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Speaker 4: No, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: It's his home. It's his room.

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Speaker 1: On the front of the house or the back of

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Speaker 1: the house front front. Do any of your neighbors ring

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Speaker 1: cams point toward your house? Could they pick that up?

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Speaker 6: They do, but it's so dark that they can only

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Speaker 6: see it. After it gets so dark at night they

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Speaker 6: can only see certain things.

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Speaker 1: I thought there were the two lights on.

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Speaker 6: On the opposite side of the house.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Can we talk about Sebastian's shoes. Why are you

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Speaker 6: Or are you well? The reason that that came about

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Speaker 6: is because all of his shoes are accounted for inside

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Speaker 1: Still are you positive?

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Speaker 6: Unpositive?

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Speaker 1: How do you know what clothes he was wearing?

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Speaker 6: The clothes that we described are the ones I saw

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Speaker 1: You woke up at six o'clock. Is that the normal

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Are you a heavy sleeper?

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Speaker 6: Off and on?

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Speaker 1: Do you take any medication at night that would make

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Speaker 1: you sleep? No, ma'am, but you heard nothing. I did

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Speaker 1: not know, so we know he is alive and well.

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Speaker 1: At ten pm, at six am, he's gone. You say

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Speaker 1: he's never left before.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Correct? He's never run off before?

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Speaker 1: And I could I confirm where was his bio dad

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Speaker 2: He went missing.

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Speaker 6: I believe he was at work in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Had there been any family argument or altercation prior to

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Speaker 6: No, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: And mister Prawfitt, when did you leave.

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Speaker 3: Town early February?

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Speaker 1: So you had been gone for days before he went missing.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Had you visited home since you left?

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Speaker 3: You said from when I've initially left. Yes, Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: I came home in February twenty sixth, the morning I

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Speaker 3: was told that he was missing.

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Speaker 1: From the time that you left for the job in

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Speaker 3: When I was home? I can't give exact dates. Law

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Speaker 3: enforcement has told me not to provide exact dates. But

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Speaker 3: I had been home multiple times prior to February, and

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Speaker 3: then I left early February and then didn't come back

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Speaker 3: till February twenty sixth, the morning was missing.

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Speaker 1: So you were not home from the time you left

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Speaker 1: early February till feb twenty six Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Where were you living in Memphis?

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Speaker 3: I have an RV trailer that I stand at an.

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Speaker 1: RV park, RVY park, Okay, falling back up on that morning,

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Speaker 1: you search the home, it's Pridefoot. Then you get in

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Speaker 1: your vehicle and you start searching. Yes, did Sebastian know

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Speaker 1: how to drive?

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Speaker 6: No, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Was your car in the same location when you woke

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Speaker 2: As it was the night before, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Has your car been searched by police multiple times?

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Have scent dogs looked at your car?

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: So your car is in the same place. You get

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Speaker 1: in the car, you start looking in the neighborhood for him.

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Speaker 1: Is that right, yes, ma'am. Then you call mister Proudfoot? Right.

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Speaker 6: I believe I was already on the phone with him

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Speaker 1: Okay, question who called nine one one? I?

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Speaker 2: Did you did?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: What time?

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Speaker 3: Without looking at a call lock and hen the exact time?

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Speaker 3: But on our about six?

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Speaker 1: And had you guys been talking on the phone before

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Speaker 1: six am? Or did you initially call mister Proudfoot at

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Speaker 1: the time you realized Sebastian was gone?

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Speaker 6: I called him when I realized Sebastian was gone.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys been out looking for Sebastian?

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: We were given information that you guys have left the home.

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Speaker 1: Is that true, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: Why I'm going back to work.

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Speaker 2: You're going back to work? What about you, Miss Proudfit?

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Speaker 6: And I'm not going back to work, not yet?

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Speaker 1: At least did you leave the home also, Miss Proudfit?

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, why to accompany my husband going back to

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Speaker 6: work and then I'm coming back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, when will you be back?

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Speaker 1: Do you know yet?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 6: Not yet.

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about being away while the search is ongoing?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I am.

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Speaker 2: Then why are you going?

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Speaker 6: Because my son could be anywhere and we're looking everywhere

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Speaker 6: and anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I've got a question for you, Yes, ma'am, I want

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Speaker 1: to find out about mister Proudfoot hitting Sebastian with a belt.

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Speaker 6: That was actually several years ago, and it was to.

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Speaker 1: Mister Proudfoot, to mister Proudfoot, to mister Proudfoot, Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: mister Proudfoot, what happened?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstand that you would ask to me, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Sebastian had got an in trouble. Well, he got caught

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Speaker 3: line and we asked. I had asked him. I said, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know you got to have a punishment for this.

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Speaker 3: He says yes, certain, I said, okay, So I gave

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Speaker 3: him a swat with a belt on his butttalks on

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Speaker 3: the outside of his clothes one spot.

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Speaker 2: What did he lie about?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't remember at the time, but it was

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Speaker 3: probably something dealing with school, because that's majority where his

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Speaker 1: Did he have other issues at school?

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Speaker 3: Some behavioral stuff but nothing too crazy?

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Speaker 1: What kind of behavioral stuff.

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Speaker 3: He has a hard times? Are belief socially blending in

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Speaker 3: out how to do it but respecting people's space. He

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Speaker 3: But he'll not stop, and he continues on, so then

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Speaker 3: it causes an issue, and instead of being on about it,

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Speaker 3: he'll lie like, no, I didn't okay, Sebastian, were about

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Speaker 3: doing work?

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Speaker 1: Was that the first time? Was that the first time

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Speaker 1: you had ever hit him with a belt?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, the one and only time. Actually when was

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Speaker 3: this years ago? Ma'am?

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Speaker 1: Any idea? How many?

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Speaker 2: Three?

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Speaker 1: Ten? One?

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Speaker 3: It probably at least three years ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how that turned into a CPS or

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Speaker 1: Child Protective Services complaint? How were they alerted that you

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Speaker 1: hit him with a belt?

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Speaker 3: That did not turn That did not turn into a

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Speaker 3: CPS or service call?

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Speaker 1: There were other CPS reports, right, were they? Regarding your

457
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Speaker 1: other child?

458
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 3: There is one in regards to my daughter that I

459
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 3: know of out in New Mexico with my ex wife

460
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: and myself.

461
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: What happened.

462
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 3: At the time. My ex wife had fled to New

463
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 3: Mexico with my daughter going through a custody and in

464
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: a divorce case at that time, and at the time

465
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: when I call and try to check in on my daughter,

466
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: I could never reach my ex wife at that time,

467
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 3: so a welfare check was requested. Law enforcement told me

468
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: to call CPS if I had concerns, So I called CPS.

469
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: Law enforces did make a welfare call and that was it.

470
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Speaker 1: Then how does that turn into a CPS complaint against you?

471
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: I have no idea, man, there's a lot of misinformation

472
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: out there right now in regards to my New Mexico

473
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: case that actually has no relevance to the Sebastian case.

474
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Speaker 1: And was there even a CPS complaint against you?

475
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: Not that not that I am aware of, and my

476
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 3: attorney and myself well educated on my case and there's

477
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 3: nothing that we know of.

478
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: Was there a TRO taken out against you regarding your daughter?

479
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 3: Not a TRO but a TPO.

480
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Speaker 1: A temporary protective order? Why was that taken out?

481
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: So in regards to that case, my ex wife had

482
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: a TPO put against her in the in Tennessee. At

483
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: the time when we went to court that got dissolved.

484
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: I was already to hand my daughter back over to

485
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: my ex wife at the time. She gets in a

486
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: truck she FLTs to New Mexico. Two days later she

487
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: files one in retaliation.

488
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Speaker 2: Is it still in place, No, ma'am.

489
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Speaker 3: That was dropped within I think two weeks of it

490
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Speaker 3: being put in place.

491
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Speaker 1: I got a question about the belt incident. You're telling

492
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: me that was the only time that you ever hit

493
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: Sebastian with a belt, yes, ma'am. And you're also telling

494
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: me that did not make it to CPS.

495
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: No, ma'am, that did not.

496
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Question.

497
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

498
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: Regarding Fate's furniture, yes, ma'am. A few days after Sebastian

499
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: goes missing, did you replace furniture in Fate's room?

500
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: No, ma'am. I have not replaced any furniture in my

501
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: daughter's room.

502
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: Is there any furniture in the home.

503
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: Yes, wim, there's a bed that was given to me

504
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: and it's currently in my garage.

505
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Has anything been taken out of the home, No, ma'am.

506
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I was curious about a statement that miss Proudfoot made

507
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: earlier that K nine dogs hit on the bar around

508
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: the home and near a retention pond.

509
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: Did that happen, I'm.

510
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: Not sure about the barn, but the retention pond.

511
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: Yes, because law enforcement says the dogs did not hit.

512
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: There's been a miss.

513
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: Proudfoot says they did hit around the retention pond.

514
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Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of miscommunication in regards to

515
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: what is and what is not. To help clear that up,

516
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: law enforcement has actually spoken directly with me showed me

517
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: a few things. What I can tell you is there

518
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: from day one, there was five dogs that started the

519
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: sent for the search, and then after that from the

520
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: next eight days out from that, there have been dogs

521
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 3: from all over the country that have come in and

522
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: done searches and had sent hits in various locations. But

523
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: I would say that a certain percentage of them tend

524
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: to go toward the same pot, which would have been

525
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: a retention pond.

526
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: So the law enforcement dogs did not hit on the

527
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: retention pond. Is that what you're saying.

528
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying they did. There was at least three

529
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: that I know for a fact that did hit on

530
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: the retention pond.

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Speaker 2: And the pond has been drained correct and there was

532
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: nothing there.

533
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. They have walked it, drained it and there's nothing.

534
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 3: The retention pond was only knee deep.

535
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: Anyways, on one occasion, mister Proudfoot, you stated that you

536
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: and missus Proudfoot have been quote vetted and cleared a

537
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: foul play that was stated on Chronicles of Olivia. Is

538
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: that true? What do you mean by that?

539
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: So, after working with law enforcement of all agencies, they

540
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: have actually told us that there is no foul play.

541
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: The various issues, we've been cleared of all wrongdoing. We

542
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 3: are working extremely cooperative with all law enforcement agencies. At

543
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: any point in time that they've called come to the house, anything.

544
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: Was Sebastian angry or upset before he disappeared.

545
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: No man, not to my knowledge.

546
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: What is your theory about where is Sebastian?

547
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 6: I wish I knew where he was, to be honest.

548
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: Your theory, your theory.

549
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 6: I think it's possible that someone has my son. Why

550
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 6: because I feel like if he had been close to

551
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 6: the house or had walked off, that we would found

552
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 6: him by now with as many people as we had searching.

553
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: Have you checked his social media social media. Have you

554
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: checked his phone?

555
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 6: His phone has been thoroughly checked, yes, ma'am.

556
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 2: Have you handed your phones to police both of you?

557
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

558
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: Has police searched your all of your devices, your laptop,

559
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: your iPad, everything, everything, yes, ma'am. Other than you, Miss Proudfoot,

560
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: who is the last person that saw or heard Sebastian

561
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: alive the Sunday before he went missing?

562
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 6: Two of his aunts, a cousin and the staff. Where

563
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: we had dinner.

564
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: And that was at Bjy's the night before or the

565
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: bowling alley.

566
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 6: So Bjy's and then we went to the bowling alley

567
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 6: and then after the bowling alley we went to dinner

568
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 6: before coming home.

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00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: I want to follow up again on the dog's hitting. Earlier,

570
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: Miss Profit had stayed the dogs hit around the house,

571
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: the barn, and at the retention pond. Is that correct?

572
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 6: I don't know about the bond the barn, but I

573
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 6: do know that they did track to the pond. Yes.

574
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 1: Did the dogs also hit around the house yes, on

575
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: the outside.

576
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 6: Of the house, yes, ma'am.

577
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: Were they sent dogs or cadaver dogs?

578
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: They've brought in both and tracking dogs.

579
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: Which dog hit a cadaver dog or a scent, dog scent.

580
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: It's all been sent dogs that have hit the cadaver

581
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: dogs have not hit on anything that we know of.

582
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: What do you believe Sebastian was wearing when he disappeared

583
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: and would that have been what he slept in?

584
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 6: Yes? So the clothes, the black sweatpants with the white

585
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 6: stripes and the long sleeve Leck shirt. That is what

586
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 6: he went to bed in. And the reason that I

587
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 6: believe he was still wearing those clothes is because when

588
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 6: we searched, I did not find those clothes in the house,

589
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 6: So I have to assume that that's what he was

590
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 6: still wearing.

591
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. Did you say that's

592
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: what he wore when he went to bed?

593
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am joining.

594
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: Us right now, in addition to Katie Proudfoot and Chris Outfoot,

595
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: the bio mom and stepdad of Sebastian and All Star panel.

596
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: First to Brian trash rejoining us, vice President of the

597
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Cajun Navy, who has joined the search. Brian, thank you

598
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: for being with us. Who asked you to join the search?

599
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 8: Well, we had deployed a team up to Nashville, Tennessee

600
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 8: last week in response to the missing college student Riley Stream,

601
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 8: and we stayed up there until he was found. While

602
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 8: we were in the area, we had a lot of

603
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 8: people reaching out to us on social media saying that

604
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 8: there was a young boy who had been missing for

605
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 8: several weeks that was only about twenty miles away from

606
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 8: where we were. So we talked to a few people,

607
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 8: got some information, and decided to deploy part of our

608
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 8: team that was already up there to Summer County to

609
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 8: investigate and see what we could do to help out.

610
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: You went on your own, were you asked to join?

611
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 8: We were asked to join. I'm not sure specifically who

612
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 8: some of our people talked to, but we always we

613
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 8: get requests all the time, and we'll reach out. We'll

614
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 8: try to get either a family member or a close

615
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 8: friend of the family, just so we know we're talking

616
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 8: to people connected to the family, and somebody had had

617
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 8: reached out and asked asked us to join since we

618
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 8: already had assets so close to Sumner County.

619
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Tell me what you have been doing, Brian Trasher or

620
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: everyone with me. The VP of the Cajun Navy who

621
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: has joined in the search. Brian, tell me what you

622
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: guys have been doing so.

623
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 8: We've We've had a can our own canine team who

624
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 8: was already participating in the search for Riley stream up

625
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 8: there searching around. We've talked with the lead investigator, with

626
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 8: a Tennessee Burrough of investigation Agent Simmons. We've talked a

627
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 8: lot with him and trying to coordinate efforts because we

628
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 8: always try to coordinate law enforcement, make sure we're not

629
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 8: getting in the way, duplicating efforts or putting out any

630
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 8: conflicting information.

631
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: You know what, mister Trasher, let me just cut the

632
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: chase here. Isn't it true that this weekend pursue it

633
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: to your search that cadaver dogs hit in an area

634
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: that had been closed off because of a prior hurricane,

635
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: and it is on federal property. Bones and other items

636
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: were found at that time. I found that very odd

637
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: as it would relate to Sebastian. Even if it was Sebastian,

638
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: his body would not have been skeletonized at this time.

639
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: Can you tell me now that what was found over

640
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: the weekend is not connected to Sebastian? Yes, no, nope,

641
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: not connected to Sebastian.

642
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 8: That's correct, that hit was not connected to Sebastian.

643
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Joining me also in addition to Brian Trasher, who has

644
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: been leading the Cajun Navy in its search for Sebastian.

645
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: Hold on Brian.

646
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Other than those hits, have there been any other dog

647
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: hits in and around the home or elsewhere?

648
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 8: Not from r K nineteen.

649
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm very concerned Brian, as you can imagine, because LA

650
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Law enforcement has stated there were no ca. Nine hits

651
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: outside the home, which I find very very disturbing, because

652
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: if he had gone outside, particularly barefoot, there would definitely

653
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: have been a cent trail. Now we're hearing from the

654
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Proudfoots that there was a hit around that retention pond.

655
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: How far is that pond from your home, mister Proudfoot.

656
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: Less than probably half a mile if you walk the

657
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: whole path.

658
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: Is it through wooded area?

659
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: Would he have had to walk through the woods to

660
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: get there?

661
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: No, ma'am. You can actually walk either the main road

662
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: or the subduvion. His other construction site is a subdivision

663
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: new addition that's being built, and they have a road

664
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: that's going to be tying into our subdivision, So you

665
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: could actually walk up that way, or you could walk

666
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: to the main road and walk in.

667
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Sebastian never sleep walk, no, ma'am, so he would have

668
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: to leave the house undetected by Katie and walk all

669
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: the way to that retention pond. Did the dogs follow

670
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: the trail a half a mile, yes, ma'am. They follow

671
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: the trail all the way to that retention pond.

672
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

673
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

674
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: That's very curious as they are saying the dogs didn't

675
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: pick anything up. Back to you, Brian Trasher, did you

676
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: guys search anywhere other than that federal property where the

677
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: false positive was Yes, no, nope. Joining me is Courtney Laski,

678
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Speaker 1: high profile behavior analyst, autism expert, chief clinical officer with

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Speaker 1: Little Starts Therapy. Courtney, thank you for being with us

680
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: at this juncture. We know Sebastian to be most likely

681
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Speaker 1: with people he doesn't know. If in fact he is

682
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: still alive. How would that affect a young boy with autism.

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00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 6: It would affect him greatly.

684
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 9: Based on the diagnosis of autism, we know that they

685
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 9: typically have deficits with communication, social skills, and they display

686
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 9: some rigid and repetitive behaviors. If in fact, he is

687
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 9: with someone else who does not know him well, that

688
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 9: would be entirely out of his routine. He could be

689
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 9: engaging in behaviors he hasn't engaged in before. He could

690
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 9: be looking for an escape. He could be looking to

691
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 9: get out of those aversive situations. We know that not

692
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Speaker 9: every autistic individual will wander, but those who do wander

693
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 9: thirty six percent. It's to get out of an aversive situation.

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Speaker 9: It's to get away from something that's overwhelming or overstimulating

695
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Speaker 9: to them.

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00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: Ms Proud, Does he know your phone number? Can he

697
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: call you if he could get access to a phone.

698
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 6: We have gone over my phone number. I don't know

699
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 6: that in a high stress time he would remember it,

700
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 6: but yes, I have taught him my phone number.

701
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Okay. Was he ever allowed to go visit friends homes?

702
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 6: He didn't get invited, but had he been, Yes, we

703
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 6: have had play dates in the past.

704
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Speaker 1: Would he go there? On foot Man Time Stories with me?

705
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me now is Lauren Conlin, investigative journalist,

706
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: host of The Outlier podcast, host of corruption What Happened

707
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: to Grant Solomon and you can find her at Laurencolin

708
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: dot com. Lauren, thank you so much for being with us.

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00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: What can you tell me about that stretch of road?

710
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: If anything between Sebastian's home and that retention pond.

711
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 10: Well, look, Nancy, I mean, I think, like everything else

712
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 10: about this case, it is very confusing because the public

713
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 10: hasn't heard much from the police. We haven't heard much

714
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 10: from the proud Foots obviously when it comes to that

715
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 10: or Zeth Rogers, and now I'm learning a lot here

716
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 10: as I can hear Chris Proudfoot say, Okay, we can't

717
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 10: speak about this because of law enforcement, and now with

718
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 10: the Cajun Navy coming in, I think a lot of

719
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 10: us are very excited that they are going to basically

720
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 10: can miss this road, and they are actually telling civilians

721
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 10: to hang back.

722
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 11: Nobody needs to search this anymore.

723
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 10: You need to stop, You need to stop helping and

724
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 10: let us work with law enforcement and take over now.

725
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 10: I called the Sumner County Sheriff's office yesterday because of

726
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 10: all the misinformation going around, and.

727
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 11: I gotta be honest with you, they didn't.

728
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 10: Even know what was going on with this road with

729
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Speaker 10: the recreation search.

730
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 11: They were either very elusive or they were very confused.

731
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 10: But either way, it's very concerning because the people as

732
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 10: well as myself, I don't live in Tennessee.

733
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Speaker 11: I cover a lot of Tennessee. We are very concerned

734
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Speaker 11: for Sebastian.

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Speaker 1: We are very concerned, and so let me I stop you, right,

736
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: miss Colin, everyone concerned, But let me remind everyone that

737
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: law enforcement is under no duty at all to tell

738
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: us or anybody else, including the Proudfoots anything. They are

739
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: not representing the Proud Foots. They are representing justice and

740
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: they will do what they have to do. The fact

741
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: that they're not giving us a blowblin by blow is

742
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: their business. Does it mean they're stymied, I don't know.

743
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Does it mean they know more than we think they do.

744
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. But just because

745
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: they're not releasing an ongoing investigative file is not a

746
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: concern to me at this juncture. I am collecting facts

747
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: and the best way I know how now regarding that

748
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: route from the Proudfoot Home to the retention pond, is

749
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Speaker 1: that you're understanding, Lauren Conlin, that there were no hits

750
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: by scent or cadaver dogs along that route.

751
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 10: Correct, Nancy, It is my understanding there were no hits

752
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 10: from the dogs.

753
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: It is very confusing.

754
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: It's confusing, you know sometimes, Lauren, when we try to

755
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: put together a puzzle, but we're missing a few pieces

756
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: and we don't know what peace we're missing. You can't

757
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: put the puzzle together. We're missing We're missing things from

758
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: this puzzle. And right now I'm on a fact finding mission.

759
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I am pointing the finger at No. One because I

760
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: want to find Sebastian. I want to go to doctor

761
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: Jordy Crawley and joining me and guys again. Please Proud Foots, Trasher, Laski, Conlin,

762
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: jump in if you have a thought or you want

763
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: to contradict, because a lot of this is elusive.

764
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: We don't know everything to you. Jordy Crawley joining US.

765
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Speaker 1: Former law enforcement now faculty Saint Leo University, very well

766
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: known psychologist and author of Operation so As. You can

767
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: find them at Doctorjory dot com. Doctor Jory, thank you

768
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: for being with us. Many people have made much of

769
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: the fact that when interviewed, the proud Bits do not.

770
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Speaker 2: Look at the camera.

771
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: They look away, they don't cry, and they don't seem upset.

772
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Now that may or may not mean anything. People can

773
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: be very upset, crying, screaming, cursing. They may show no

774
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: emotion at all.

775
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: They may be numb by the time interviews are happening.

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Speaker 1: I'm very different when I talk about my fiance's murder

777
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: or I talk about my dad's death. I still cry,

778
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: even when I swear I'm not going to.

779
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: But everyone reacts differently. What do you make of it?

780
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 7: I can see that the numbing, that fact, it's kind

781
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 7: of like a defense making to help you across you know,

782
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 7: the events under those circumstances. As an alarmy at all.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I have experienced that type of troll and stress.

784
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 7: I've seen it other people that I am actually in

785
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 7: a few long psychologists.

786
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: Hold on just a second, to Jory Cross and doctor Joy,

787
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: you're cutting out on me. I'm gonna throw this directly

788
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: to mister and missus Proudfoot. Much has been made. I'll

789
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: ask you you very often look away, don't look at

790
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: who's asking you questions, show no emotion. Much has been

791
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: made of that, and I'd like to hear your response.

792
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: I'm not judging one way or the other.

793
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear your response to the.

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00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 6: Fact of not looking at the camera all the time

795
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 6: is because picture of my son is sitting beside me

796
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Speaker 6: and I'm honestly and looking at him. As far as

797
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 6: the crying, thing. I have been crying off and on

798
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 6: NonStop for a month.

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Speaker 1: Many people have asked me, why did Miss Proudfoot not

800
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: call nine one one immediately? And here's your chance to answer.

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00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 6: That, because by the time I realized my son was

802
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: missing and I called my husband, at that point, I

803
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 6: was hysterical. I was at the point where I couldn't

804
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 6: even form words anymore. And my husband is the one

805
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 6: who remained calm enough to call them.

806
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, Misgrace, the way, we

807
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: live outside of city limits, so you don't call nine

808
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: one one because you get routed to a dispatching hub

809
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: who asked, what's your location, and then they route you

810
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: to another dispatcher to talk to. To give this story,

811
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 3: I cut all of that out and I called straight

812
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: to the Sheriff's apartment because they have jurisdiction of where

813
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: we live. So sorry that I decided to bypass a

814
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: few steps and go straight to the source, where they

815
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 3: responded within ten minutes of the phone call being made.

816
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Miss Proudfoot that evening. Were you drinking, no, ma'am. Had

817
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: you used any type of drug at all, even OTC

818
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: over the counter, no, ma'am. And you had no argument

819
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: with Sebastian that night. No, ma'am, you stated you put

820
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: the dogs away into a crate before you went to bed.

821
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Is the crate located near the exit near a door, No, ma'am.

822
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: Would the dogs have barked if there had been an

823
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: intruder or if Sebastian had left.

824
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 6: The dogs don't typically bark at me and Sebastian because

825
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 6: they're used to us. Even if we get up, we

826
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 6: come around, they don't typically bark strangers. They do tend

827
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 6: to bark, at least for a minute or two to

828
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 6: get attention. But no, ma'am, they don't typically bark at

829
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Speaker 6: Sebastian and myself, Christopher when he's.

830
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: On What kind of dogs are they?

831
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: More keyes?

832
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: Question? Where is their crate located.

833
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 6: In the area near my sun room over by the kitchen.

834
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: In your son's Okay, hold on, son, Is it outside

835
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: your son's room.

836
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 6: No, ma'am, not not sebastians room. Son.

837
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sun room. And that's not near the door, no, ma'am.

838
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 3: Not near the front door.

839
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 6: It's near my back door, but not any of the

840
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 6: other doors.

841
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Yes, from what I've seen the lay out of the home,

842
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: it is near the back door, and they would have

843
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: heard someone coming in and out that back door, correct.

844
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.

845
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: No barking.

846
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: Do you have a chime or anything on your doors

847
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: that would alert you to the door opening, No, ma'am.

848
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 11: Miss Grace. Could I jump in for something, yes.

849
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Please, And I want to follow up with a question

850
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: regarding miss Proudfoot's polygraph, but please.

851
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: Lauren jump in.

852
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Everybody on the panel. Now is the time to ask

853
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: the Proudfoots any question that may shed light on what

854
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: has happened to Sebastian. We are not in a judging arena.

855
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: We are in a fact finding arena. We can then

856
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: assimilate the facts and make deductions. Please jump in. Lauren

857
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Colin is joining me. You can find her at Lauren

858
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: Emily Conlin go ahead, yes, thank you.

859
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 11: And now this might be for Brian as well.

860
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 10: Yesterday when the dogs hit and everybody's going crazy YouTubers,

861
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 10: Internet TikTokers, and we figure out it's not Sebastian, and

862
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 10: police are not involved, the TBI is not involved. Did

863
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 10: you call the Proudfoots and let them know that this

864
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 10: was not Sebastian? Did you tell them ahead of time

865
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 10: that you were searching these areas. Did they know what

866
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 10: you were doing or was this specifically just through Seth Rogers?

867
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 8: Yes, Seth Rogers is a Sebastian's biological father.

868
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: Correct.

869
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, so he was there, and as Miss Grace

870
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 8: alluded to earlier, it would not have been it would

871
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 8: not have been typical or possibly even probable that that

872
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 8: you could have skeletonized after only a few weeks. So

873
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 8: I'm not sure about the proud foots, but his father

874
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 8: definitely did know. I also wanted to echo what Miss

875
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 8: Nancy said earlier about the police. One of the reasons

876
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 8: we got called in. There was a lot of social

877
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 8: media personalities reaching out to us kind of complaining that

878
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 8: they didn't feel like the police were doing enough. But

879
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 8: really it's it's just what Miss Nancy said. It's that

880
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 8: they're not under obligation to give daily or every other

881
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 8: day updates. They are doing an investigation. We have been

882
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 8: in very close contact with TBI, and I can tell

883
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 8: everybody with one certainty, they are on top of it.

884
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 8: They are not letting their foot off the gas at

885
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 8: all on the search for Sebastian or trying to find

886
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 8: out what happened to them. The YouTubers and TikTokers that

887
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 8: do live stream probably do the most long We appreciate

888
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 8: the attention that they bring to things, but when you

889
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 8: do a live stream, you don't have any control over

890
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 8: what gets seen by potentially the entire world, So we

891
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 8: would you know, we can't tell people what not to do.

892
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 8: They have free speech. It's their own accounts they're using.

893
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 8: Not helpful to do live streams bearing searches like that.

894
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 8: If you want to do it, do a video that

895
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 8: you could potentially edit later so that we cut down

896
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 8: on the amount of misinformation. That's why social media is

897
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 8: not necessari earlier house we go in and do search

898
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 8: and rescue. You have to trust the process like we do.

899
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 8: We trust law enforcement is going to have this wrapped up,

900
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 8: probably very soon.

901
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Brian. However, I want to make sure that you are

902
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: not encouraging citizen sleuths to stop looking, because I've had

903
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: many many cases where we put out the warning and

904
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: they actually spot a missing person. I mean, I only

905
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: have to point to Gabby Patito, whose remains were found

906
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: in dispersed camping way out west by a citizen who

907
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: had heard about the case. So you know, yeah, sometimes

908
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: their information is wrong, But there is no way in

909
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: HGUBLEL that I would ask them to stop.

910
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: I know that's not where you're head at.

911
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 8: No, No, we don't want to miss stop. As a

912
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 8: matter of fact, it was two citizens sleuths that found

913
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 8: Riley Strings bank card up by the bank of the

914
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 8: Cumberland River in Nashville. So, as I said, they do

915
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 8: provide servios. My only thought suggestion was maybe not doing

916
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 8: live stream, maybe just video and then you can edit

917
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 8: and post later.

918
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: Just a suggestion.

919
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I don't want to see anything edited. I

920
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: want to see the whole thing. No edits no airbrushing,

921
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: the real deal. But that's just me. I want to

922
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: go back to Katie Proudfood. This is Sebastian's biological mother.

923
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Missus Proudfoot. What questions were you asked during your polygraph?

924
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 6: I was asked if I knew where my son was.

925
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 6: I was asked if I hurt him. I was asked

926
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Speaker 6: if I had hurt someone, among a few other questions.

927
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: And mister Proudfoot, you have volunteered to take a polly, Yes, ma'am.

928
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: If I were to set up a polly for you,

929
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: would you take it?

930
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: Name the place in time, ma'am, I'll be there.

931
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: And you're headed back to Memphis right now. Are you

932
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: in your RV? Right now?

933
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: I am in my RV. We are not disclosing our

934
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: current location just because of safety reasons due to the

935
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: YouTubers the facebookers out there that have sent some very heinous,

936
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: threatening information and things of that nature threatened to be

937
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: outside of our house, all kinds of nasty things. So

938
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 3: we're not disclosing our location at this time unless you're

939
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: law enforcement or you need to.

940
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: Know, Miss Proudfoot, Is that one of the reasons you.

941
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: Left the home one of them?

942
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

943
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Question to you guys, when police came in and processed

944
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: your home, did they look with for instance of it all?

945
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: Did they check? What did they do when they searched

946
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: your home?

947
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 6: They thoroughly searched my home with many different things. They

948
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 6: removed some things for the dogs to hold the scent

949
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 6: and for Sebastian's DNA. I know that they used thermal

950
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 6: night vision, thank you. And I don't know exactly all

951
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 6: of the tools that they use, but I do know

952
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 6: that multiple different searches were done on my home by

953
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 6: many different people, detectives, sheriffs, and a few others.

954
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: I wouldn't swear that the for rings that folks showed

955
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: up or not, because there was so many folks in

956
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: and out of the house that it was just I'm

957
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: so and so a law enforce, and I'm so and

958
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: so law enforcement. Okay.

959
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 6: Every time they said we need to look, please do.

960
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: Does to have a hardwood floor or a carpeted.

961
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 6: Floor in his bedroom?

962
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: Carpet?

963
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: Did they remove any carpeting?

964
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 3: No, ma'am.

965
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel confident they searched his bathroom?

966
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: They did?

967
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: When you state that they removed items for the scent dogs,

968
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: what did they take clothing?

969
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 6: A blanket that he used like every day, and a

970
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 6: few other items of his toiletries like his brush.

971
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining US investigative journalist Lauren Agan, thank you

972
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: for being with us in earlier you were hearing sound

973
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: from w SMV four. I understanding you have another question.

974
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 10: Oh no, I mean, I guess I didn't quite get

975
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 10: the clarity I wanted in the sense that did the

976
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 10: Proud Foots know that this search was going on with

977
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 10: the Cajun Navy? Were they being pulled? Were you guys

978
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 10: being alerted about this? Did you hear from a YouTuber

979
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 10: that they found something that the cadaver dog or I'm

980
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 10: sorry the search dogs started jumping, or you know, were

981
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 10: you just kind of blind to all of us, just

982
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 10: you know, doing your search.

983
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: No man so here to to set that record straight

984
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: and help the United Cajun Navy. So somebody's got a

985
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: picture out there saying that we are enjoying at dinner

986
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 3: when we're actually out there, got flyers at a dinner

987
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: table because we needed to eat. My wife was on

988
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: the phone with the Cajun Navy. That's how the Cajun

989
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: Navy was brought in, and we talked to the president

990
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: of the United Cajun Navy. He put us in touch

991
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: with their team that was here locally in Nashville. Then

992
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: that young lady reached back out to us, gave us

993
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: some more information. We gave her some more details. Then

994
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: they said they would start a search, but we also

995
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: had them get in direct contact with the TBI agent

996
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: as well as sumber County's Sheriff's Department. We provided all

997
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: that information. They reached out to them, got some information.

998
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: They pushed outside of the areas that had been searched already,

999
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: conducted a search somehow or another, they linked up with

1000
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: the biofather, who supposedly got a tip from somewhere. Whether

1001
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: or not it was credible or not, we don't know,

1002
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: but it led them to searching on federal property without permission,

1003
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: which is where we have been informed at some point

1004
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: that there was allegedly a hit on something. It turned

1005
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 3: out to be nothing, and they were asked to leave

1006
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: the property immediately or the cops are going to be

1007
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: called because it was trespassing based off of a tip

1008
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: that the biofather received.

1009
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, to Brian Trasher, a VP of kg Nagal, let's

1010
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: clear it up.

1011
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: Isn't it true?

1012
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: This is on federal property that had been closed off.

1013
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: It was a.

1014
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: Hurricane site earlier. It was also yes, thank you, and

1015
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: it was also near railroad tracks and some homeless people

1016
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: have been living there and apparently one of them had

1017
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: died and we believe that is what the dogs were

1018
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: hitting on.

1019
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1020
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1021
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 8: All the above is correct, and we did not gain

1022
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 8: access to the property. It had already been open when

1023
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 8: we got there. I'm not sure how entry was Gaen,

1024
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 8: but yeah, all everything above you that you just said

1025
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 8: was correct.

1026
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: Guys.

1027
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: The search for Sebastian goes on.

1028
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: If you have information, if you know or think you

1029
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: know anything about this beautiful, young autistic boy, please called

1030
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: TBI Tennessee Bureau of Investigation eight hundred t B I

1031
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: Fine t Tennessee b Bureau i Investigative TBI fine one

1032
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: eight hundred TBI find that's eight hundred eight two four

1033
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: three four six ' three. Please join us in the

1034
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: search for Sebastian and lift up your prayers.

1035
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: This boy will be found.

1036
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: Good Bye friend,