1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: All right, welcome in second hour, Clay and Buck. Get's 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: going right now. We're joined by our friend Sean Davis, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: CEO and co founder of the Federalists. Go to the 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Federalist dot com. It is one of our favorite sites 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: on the world wide Web, which I don't think anybody 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: calls it anymore really that, but it is the worldwide 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Web Federalist dot Com. Great work there, including what we're 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: about to talk about. Sean, Thanks for taking a break 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: from what you're doing to chat with us. What's going on. 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me back. It's a pleasure. 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Let's dive into this. Matt Shelby, because so d and 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I Gabbard. I sat down with her and we had 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: a discussion in DC about a month month ago about 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things, and certainly one of her mandates 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: is to clean up the deep state mess that was 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: well really the rot that spread from the top down 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: in places like the CIA. She has released information about 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: the soft coup attempt or, like I said, the non 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: violent coup attempt maybe a better way to put it 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. You are following very closely now, you 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: and Molly Hemingway, your colleague at the Federalists, have been 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: on this for a decade. Now, what is new and 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: important that has come out. We're going to walk everyone 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: through this because the Russian of the media, obviously they 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: were in on the collusion, right, I mean, they were 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: in on the whole foax, the fraud. What is new 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: that people need to know about now? 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: So I think to understand the importance of the new developments, 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: I think it's important to take a step back and 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: look at what they were trying to do with the 31 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: Russia collusion hoax back in sixteen and seventeen and eighteen, 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 2: and there were two main pillars of that entire hoax. 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: One of them was that Donald Trump personally colluded with 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: Russia and Putin to steal the election from Hillary, that 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: he was an agent of Russian and that he was 36 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: working with them. That was the whole Steele dossier. That 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: was the bulk of the Mueller thing. We know that 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: with bank that was bunks for a long time. But 39 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: before they could even get to that phase of the operation, 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: they had the first point, which was the claim that 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: Russia meddled in our election in twenty sixteen for the 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: purpose of helping Donald Trump, because Putin wanted Trump to win. 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: That was injected into the bloodstream, and that was necessary 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: to be there for people to believe that Trump colluded. 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: But what we learned last week from the document releases 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: from TULCA Gabbard is that that claim was a lie. 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: The CIA knew it was a lie. Obama and Brennan 48 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: and Comy were all told it was a lie from 49 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: their own experts, and they went ahead with it anyway. 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: They cooked the books, they fabricated evidence, they ignored the experts, 51 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: and they put out this bogus Intel Community assessment claiming 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: that Russia had interfered for the purpose of Donald of 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: helping Donald Trump win. And that was a lie. 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: All right, Sean, thanks for coming on with us. Thanks 55 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: for also sharing a great hometown or our family town 56 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: right now. I'm sure you saw that the state of Tennessee, 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: according to CNBC, was the worst place in America to live. 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: And I think I speak for everyone out there when 59 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 3: I say, yeah, you're right, it's awful. Please don't come here. 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: But you're running the Federalist, and I bet you get 61 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: asked this question a lot, and it's the number one 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 3: question I get asked as in regards to this story. 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: Let's pretend you had a magic wand and you were 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: able to dictate policy from this point going forward, as 65 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: it pertains to what happened with Russia. 66 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: What should happen? 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: In your mind if you had that magic wand and 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: you were able to direct policy, what do you think 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: will happen? What is the significance, in other words, going forward, 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: not looking back, looking forward prospectively as to what should 71 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: happen and what will happen here? 72 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: Garding two things, if I could may wave a magic wand, 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: I'd make two things happen. Number One, Comy, Brennan, Clapper, 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: mccab struck would all go to prison because somebody has 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: to pay a price for the crimes they perpetrated against 76 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: the country. 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: At none of them. They would be charged with a 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: crime if you were able. Okay, that is a concrete action. 79 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: That's good. Okay, what else? 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: And then the second, so that we're going to put 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: that in like kind of the law enforcement accountability for 82 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: the fraud bucket. The other bucket is we have to 83 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: make sure that something like this never happens again. And 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: there was actually a recommendation which was a really good 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: one in the document that came out last week which 86 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: was a declassified hipsy report and investigation of the ICA 87 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: and then recommendations on what to do with it. And 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: I think this business where you had these political appointees 89 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: going in and cooking the books and saying, you know, 90 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: we don't care if you don't think it's true. We 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: called it, John Brennan said of the Steel Dotsier accusations 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: when told they were not true and not corroborated, But 93 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: don't they ring true? There has to be a way 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: to remove that type of political cre option from the process. 95 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: And it's interesting. For a long time we kind of 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: were led to believe that all the experts agreed on 97 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: the ICA, that they all agreed that Russia was doing 98 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 2: this to help Trump. And the reality that we learned 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: was that the experts were saying, no, that's not true, 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: and it was the Democrat political appointees who demanded that 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: it go in and be released. 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: So what would you like to see now from the 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: DNI in terms of either further transparency and or actions 104 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: from within the IC The intelligence community sean to deal 105 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: with this at those levels, Right, there's the accountability and 106 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: there's preventing this from happening in the future. What do 107 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: you think we should see from D and I Gabbard 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: U and Dcia Ratcliffe, the Director of Central Intelligence to 109 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: get to those two goals. 110 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think they've done a great job so far. 111 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: You know, Ratcliffe, to my understanding, was trying to get 112 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: these documents out back in twenty twenty before the election 113 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 2: and was stymied by then CIA director Tina Haspell, who 114 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: It's interesting she was running London's office. Is the station 115 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: chief back when some of the original you know, hoax 116 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 2: intel that became the basis of Crossfire Hurricane came through 117 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: the London embassy. I would like to know more about 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: her role. I would like to know all the intel 119 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: that was used. I would like to know all of 120 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: the people who touched the lies, who signed the affidavits 121 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: for the fights of warrants. I think we need complete 122 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: and total transparency and openness about every single aspect of 123 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: how that hoax was run from the beginning. And luckily, 124 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: so far, it seems like Ratcliffe and Gabbard are on 125 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: the same page there. I'm thankful that they have been 126 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: as forthright as they have been. 127 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: Also, the Obama factor in all this. You know, the 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: names that you're talking about here Sean Brennan Clapper right. 129 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: Clapper was the Director of National Intelligence. Brenner was the 130 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Director of Central Intelligence. Brennan had been Obama's counter terrorisms 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: are in the White House previously. Obama, though, is very 132 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: clearly implicated in this too. 133 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: Now. 134 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Clay and I have talked about how he was the president. 135 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court's weighed in he's not going to face charges. 136 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: But I do think it's important for people to understand 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: that this wasn't the IC independent of the White House 138 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: under the Obama administration. The collusion included the collusion of 139 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Obama and his top people in the IC to try 140 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: to essentially hobble the Trump administration. 141 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a tricky one. 142 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: You know. 143 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: Number one, we had the kind of presidential immunity thing. Obviously, 144 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: a president can't go out and like pop someone in 145 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: the head and be like I can kill whoever I 146 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: want on president. There's limits to it, clearly, But the 147 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: Supreme Court has ruled that the president has a wide 148 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: latitude to execute the authorities of his office. I actually wonder, 149 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: in looking what happened, if there is a better case 150 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: to be given that Obama's probably not going to get 151 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: hauled into a court and have cuslam on him. Might 152 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: it be better to look at what Brennan and Komy 153 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: and Clapper did and in the things they did in 154 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: response to Obama saying get all the intail. Might it 155 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: be a better option to look at what they did 156 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: and say, you know what, they actually defrauded Obama. He 157 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: told them to get this info with the expectation of 158 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: what he was going to be given was accurate, and 159 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: instead they all got together and colluded and conspired to 160 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: give him bogus intel and to defraud not just the 161 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 2: American people, but the commander in chief and President of 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: the United States as well. I wonder if that might 163 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: be a better tack to take going forward. 164 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: I think that's a super interesting idea. We're talking to 165 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: Sean Davis. You can check him out at the Federalist. 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: Does great work there. Okay. I mentioned if you had 167 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: the magic wand a lot of this audience, and I 168 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: would put myself in this category is very skeptical that 169 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: anybody in a position of power in the Democrat Party 170 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: is ever going to be held accountable for anything that 171 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: they have ever done. And I think this is where 172 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: a lot of the frustration, Epstein, everything else comes you 173 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: are Grandma who walked in the Capitol Jan sixth, Merrick Garland, 174 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: the Biden DOJ. I mean, they will manighacally focus on 175 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: it to the extent that they're going to do a 176 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: pre morning raid to arrest you for trespass on that day. Meanwhile, 177 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: you got all these different alleged crimes being committed by 178 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: people in positions of power on the left in the 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: Democrat Party. What do you think the chances are if 180 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: you were handicapping right now, Sean, that there will actually 181 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: be charges brought. I'm not even talking about convictions. I'm 182 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: just talking about charges brought against any of these individuals 183 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: related to what they did surrounding the Russia collusion. 184 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: Lie. 185 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a hard question because you know, I'm not 186 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: involved obviously in like the internal discussions about those types 187 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: of charges. I think they're far better now than they 188 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: ever have been, just kind of reading between the lines 189 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: and things we've seen and heard from Ratcliffe, from Gabbard, 190 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: from Bondi. Bondi forming these DJ task forces to go 191 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: after the Russia hoaxers is opposed to doing a special counsel. 192 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: I think is a really good idea. These task forces 193 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: have traditionally been used by the federal government to get 194 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: cooperations from all the various agencies and were a major 195 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: tool used against the mob, against racketeering, against organized crime 196 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: early on, which is something you have to kind of 197 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: look at. You have to look at an organized conspiracy 198 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: in order to get around a lot of these statute 199 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: of limitations that you have. But I think it's important 200 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: to look at what happened like J sixers. These were 201 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: people who were put through the ringer, They were bankrupted, 202 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: their families were terrorized, they were eventually pardoned. Why is 203 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: the right not putting the left in the people who've 204 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 2: done far, far worse things to this country and far 205 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: greater crimes. Why are they not subjecting them to the 206 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: same punishment by process that the left is doing. Because 207 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: if anyone has ever been involved in any sort of lawsuit, 208 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: criminal or sibyl, they'll tell you it's awful, it's miserable. 209 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: It SAPs you of all types of energy and focus. 210 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: And what I don't understand is why is Congress in 211 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: their Oversight Committee not doing the exact same things to 212 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: the left. Why is DOJ not doing the exact same 213 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: thing to the left that they did to our side 214 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: for eight years, because I do think the process is 215 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: the punishment, and our side was terrorized by the process 216 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: for eight years, and it's about time to the other 217 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: side gets a turn in the barrel if we're ever 218 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: going to get to a point where people decide we 219 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: can't do this anymore. 220 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: Last question for you, a little bit quick here maybe 221 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: on the answer, and I know it's not a topic 222 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: that necessarily lends itself to a rapid answer. If the 223 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 3: Trump team we're listening right now, and I think there's 224 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: probably a decent chance that some of them are, what 225 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: advice would you give them on what they should do 226 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: for the Epstein controversy at this point? 227 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's thirty seconds. 228 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish they would just release everything. I get 229 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: why that is difficult. They've got an appeal with Glene 230 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: Maxwell going on now, there's a lot of victim right stuff. 231 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: I wish they would release everything, and if the conclusions 232 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: are different than what people are expecting, walk us through 233 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: why that is what they looked at. I just think 234 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: openness and transparency is the most important antidote here, and 235 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: I think it got oversold very early on by some 236 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: people in the administration, and that caused them a lot 237 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: of problems and they're now having to make themselves out 238 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: from that. 239 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: I know, I said last question, but I'm actually curious. 240 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: You run a digital media site. I sold one several 241 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 3: years ago. Can you tell a difference in the ad 242 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: market in Trump two point zero compared to Trump one 243 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: point zero? Does it feel fairer to you based on 244 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: the business that you run? 245 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't to me. We were targeted for extinction by 246 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: the Biden admin and the entire left wing censorship industrial complex. 247 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: They trey to get a blacklisted from Google, from Facebook, 248 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: they went after all the major ad players, got us 249 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: blacklisted there. I said, no, we have not seen any 250 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: difference yet, but it's because of the damage that was 251 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: done to us by our own government and our own 252 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: tax dollars illegally was pretty significant, and so I haven't 253 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: seen a big change in the ad market yet, at 254 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: least for us. 255 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: That's something we should have a longer form discussion about sometime. 256 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: Sean Davis is the Federalist, because I do think that's 257 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: a story that a lot of people don't understand how 258 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: aggressively the Biden team went after Digital Truth tellers, in 259 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: my opinion, to try to bankrupt them, and most of 260 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: that story really hasn't been told to a large degree. 261 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: Appreciate the time, Sean. 262 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: Thank you both. 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Welcome back in Clay than Travis Buck Sexton Show. 306 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 307 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program here 308 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: and Sean's perspective there, I think is really interesting because 309 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: and I'm sure you have felt this too, Buck, and 310 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: maybe we'll take some calls on this eight hundred and 311 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 3: two two two eight A two. I think what I 312 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: kind of sense is that there is a deep seated 313 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: distrust that anything consequential is going to happen for any 314 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: of this. And I understand why because you know, look, 315 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: I think the chances of Obama being charged, I think 316 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: Trump did a good job of tamping that down. And 317 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: you just heard Sean Davis talk about presidential a privilege, 318 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: uh and the ruling that came down from the Supreme Court. 319 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: But I thought his angle there, Buck, of Obama actually 320 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: being defrauded in some way by his intelligence agents. The 321 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: challenge though, and I want to get your perspective on it, 322 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: is I think again people think that there's one opinion 323 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: that comes out of the intelligence agencies, there's like a hundred. 324 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: I appreciated Sean's outside the box thinking on that one. 325 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, remember a week ago was the discussion 326 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: was will Obama face charges based on what D and 327 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: I gabberd was saying. So I don't think that exculpating 328 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Obama is the way this is going to go forward. 329 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: I also don't think Obama's going to face charges, as 330 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: we said at the time, and I think you're going 331 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: to find out were right. I don't think any of 332 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: them are going to face charges, and that's just the 333 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: way it's going to be. But that doesn't mean we 334 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't know the information and shouldn't have access to the truth, 335 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: because at least then it can be a political question. 336 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: There can be political consequences to keep these maniacs out 337 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: of power going forward, but that may be the best 338 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: we can hope for in the situation. Yeah, one question 339 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: for you when we come back, do you think that 340 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: the D and I release and all of the Russia 341 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: collusion controversy changes anything inside of the intelligence agencies going forward. 342 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: I'd be curious about that. In the meantime, none. 343 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: Of us want to think about needing to use self 344 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: protection devices, especially in our own homes. But here's a 345 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: sobering stat. Home invasions happen every thirty seconds in this country. 346 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: And while hopefully crime reductions are going to be going down, 347 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 3: home burglaries unfortunately continue to skyrocket. Are you protected inside 348 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 3: of your home? 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That's eight four four eight to four safe. 359 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back into play and Block. We got a lot 360 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: of calls, a lot of talkbacks, tons of stuff to 361 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: dive into here momentarily, but Clay wanted to finish a 362 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: thought or lay out something having to do with the 363 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: intel community, the deep state, and all that before. So 364 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: if you're on hold, stay with us. We'll get to 365 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: you momentarily. I'll get some of your talkbacks as well. 366 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: But Clay, take it away while. 367 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: I'm teeing it up for you, because we talked a 368 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: lot about this on the program Thursday Friday, as the 369 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: fallout of all the revelations of Telsea Gabberd really were unspooling. 370 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: And I'm curious from your perspective two things. One, I 371 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 3: do think this idea that there is one opinion. I 372 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 3: do think that you can hammer home that there are 373 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: hundreds of people working and they're fighting over what the 374 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: interpretation is. And I think there is the idea out 375 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: there that the intelligence agency has one opinion on an issue, 376 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: and I'd like for you to talk about how that 377 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 3: actually looks inside of an agency. Second part of this, 378 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 3: and I don't know the answer. I'm curious how you 379 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: would analyze this. Let's acknowledge that we think that this 380 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: whole thing was screwed up with Russia collusion. Has it 381 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: improved inside of the agencies? Is there something that is 382 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: going to be a positive of the mess that unspooled. 383 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: So from your perspective on those. 384 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 3: Two, how would you analyze that multiple different perspectives, and 385 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: has anything change going forward? 386 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: There's so many perspectives that you generally can't even get 387 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: agreement within an office on an issue, never mind across agencies. 388 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: So that's always going to be just the reality. And 389 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: I remember these are assessments, it's analysis. The intel community 390 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: is wrong a lot, even when there is some unanimity 391 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: on things. They you know, people they missed nine to eleven. Obviously, 392 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: they missed the fall the Berlin Wall. They missed the 393 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: reality of the Afghanic. Well, there's a whole bunch of things. 394 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: You can just point to plenty of intelligence failures because 395 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: really it's it's analysis about what's going to happen, right, 396 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: you're really talking about predicting the future. The intelligence community 397 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: doesn't put it forward that way, but we think that 398 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: this is what's going on and this is what's next. 399 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: Is a lot of they sometimes we call it opportunity analysis, 400 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: or they're just trying to trying to tell you what's 401 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: going to happen, and no one's good. No one can 402 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: predict the future. Really, as I always say, occasionally someone can, 403 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: but no one can with any consistency. So that's on that. 404 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: And then so that was the first part of it, 405 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: the multi and then you're asking about is it going 406 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: to get better? Is it going to change? There's the 407 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: accountability piece for people that were inside, who I think 408 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: now at least have gotten a public there's this sort 409 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: of public retribution against their reputations, Brendan Clapper and others. 410 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: But you have to change the culture of these places, 411 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: and that's a long term. That's a long term thing. 412 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: The intelligence agencies post nine to eleven got a lot 413 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: of people who were meat eaters, so to speak, who 414 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: wanted to go get bin laden, and a lot of 415 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: them left. You know, there's a lot of guys, guys 416 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: and gals who went in there to do the mission. 417 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: And I'm not speaking about myself here, but I certainly 418 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: know plenty of people that are in this boat. And 419 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: the bureaucracy took over and in the Obama years, they 420 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: just couldn't handle it anymore. So that's what I see 421 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: with that. And now let us let us dive into 422 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: some of these calls. And we've got Charles in Northampton, Pennsylvania. 423 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: What's going on, Charles. 424 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 5: Yes, well, I was just thinking maybe we should look 425 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 5: at rather than putting people in jail, that we should 426 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 5: look for recovery of expenses for you know, court costs, 427 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 5: maybe slander and libel, loss of wages, emotional distress, you know, 428 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 5: the punitive damages, that kind of stuff towards and hit 429 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 5: Obama and the Clinton's and Comy clap or Brennan where 430 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 5: it hurts, which would be the money that they have 431 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 5: in the bank that they've accumulated over the last however 432 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 5: many years. 433 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: Charles, I'm not really I'm not really seeing. I mean, 434 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: in the case of the Obamas, they're worth over one 435 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. I mean, they could hire lawyers for 436 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: the next century and it wouldn't really affect them very much, 437 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: so I don't think. And and also they would have 438 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: Obama would have immunity in office as he was president. 439 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: You look at the others you're talking about bringing civil suits. 440 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: Bringing a civil suit is very expensive for the person 441 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: bringing it, right, So unless you're saying that you want 442 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: the federal government to sue them on what, I'm not 443 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: really clear on how this how this would go. 444 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 3: Clay, do you have a better picture of this. The 445 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: only thing thanks for the call. The only thing I 446 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: can think is that he's saying he wants Trump to 447 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: sue and try to hold these individuals responsible. Here's the challenge. 448 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: First of all, most civil suit basis for lawsuits the 449 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: statute of limitations has expired, so I don't know in 450 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: front of me right now. Usually why bowl defamation, slander 451 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: there's usually around a two year and individual states can differ, 452 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 3: but usually around to two year based. I also don't 453 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 3: think you could hit that hurdle when you're talking about 454 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: a president, a public figure. You have to prove actual malice, 455 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: You have to prove all that I mean this is 456 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: so the answer is no. I don't think you're going 457 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: to be able to get some kind of civil judgment 458 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: that that destroys these people that work. The people ask 459 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: all the time, can you sue? The answer is yes, 460 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 3: you can sue for anything. The better question is can 461 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: you sue and have any likelihood of success that is 462 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: significant in nature? For this, The answer I think is no. 463 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: And for people out there who are confused, he was 464 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: asking a question I think about civil lawsuits as opposed 465 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: to criminal culpability. The civil standard is lower and look, 466 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: I mean to your point, Buck, We've talked about this before. 467 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 3: Sometimes the process can be the punishment. So yes, there 468 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: are legal fees associated with this everything else. I just 469 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: I don't find that to be a very likely or 470 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: significantly like lihood of success on that angle. 471 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: Tim in North Indiana? What's going on? Tim? 472 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 6: Hey fellows a great job. By the way, I had 473 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 6: two things I wanted to bring up, and now I'll 474 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 6: hang up and you guys can discuss the work. Is 475 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 6: One is the Rico statue. Is that something that could 476 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 6: be applied to these fifty one treasonous intelligence agents who 477 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 6: signed the fraudulent Crossfire hurricane affidavits? That's one. 478 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: Two. 479 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 6: If there is evidence, hard evidence that Obama was involved 480 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 6: in that pole debacle after January twentieth, twenty seventeen, when 481 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 6: he's no longer in the White House, he doesn't no 482 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 6: longer have presidential immunity, could he be you know, held 483 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 6: to account on actions he performed after his term of office? 484 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: Wade, Tim, thank you for the question on the fifty 485 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: one intelligence officials. They they have a very straightforward defense 486 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: which is going to be very unsatisfying everybody to hear, 487 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: which is I was so dumb. I believed it. And 488 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: this is the problem, right, you can't prove that there 489 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: was a unless they were unless they were writing down 490 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm lying about the you know, you have people to 491 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: prove that they knew what they were saying was not true. Uh. 492 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: And it's very easy for people to say, no, I'm dumb. 493 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: I believed it. That's it. So I think it's very 494 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: hard and Rico, as we saw with Diddy, Rico, you 495 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: want to use against mobsters and cartels and very limited 496 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: cases because once you start talking about racketeering and your 497 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: corrupt corrupt influence, it's very you know, you don't you don't. 498 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 3: I know. 499 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: They were going to try this against Trump in Atlanta, 500 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: and that was a that was a preposterous case. Okay, Yeah, 501 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: they couldn't even get that to first base. They couldn't 502 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: even get that thing. So so using Rico, I think 503 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people like the Rico thing because they 504 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: saw it in the in the Batman Uman beginning. 505 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds cool when you say you sound like 506 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 3: you're a super Look. I actually think he was asking 507 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: an interesting question on the back end, which is something 508 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: that the Supreme Court may have to apply. The fact 509 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: pattern of their prior ruling, the six' to three decision 510 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: on presidential. POWER i think you just mentioned That, Atlanta georgia. 511 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: CASE i, think for, instance The Supreme court really hasn't addressed. 512 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: THIS i don't think you can bring state charges against a. 513 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: PRESIDENT i think that that would be the president has federal. 514 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: POWERS i don't think you can bring state charges like 515 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 3: they tried to Do Fanny willis In. Georgia that has 516 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: not gotten all the way to The Supreme. 517 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: Court is my. 518 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 3: Understanding someone out there can correct me If i'm. WRONG 519 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: i think The Supreme court only analyzed federal, charges those 520 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: that were brought Against trump And, florida those that were 521 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 3: brought Against trump IN. Dc they didn't go into The 522 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: New york state, charges and again that was a very 523 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 3: specific business related. Charge the question he's asking is how 524 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: far does presidential priv extend into the. 525 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: Future, Right so. 526 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: Let's say That obama is protected Until january, twenty twenty, 527 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 3: seventeen or whatever the date was When trump came into, 528 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: office and then he undergoes and continues. 529 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: ACTIONS i think it Gets it's legally an interesting theoretical 530 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: but there's no you're not going to find some Post 531 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: obama presidency's smoking gun of him In russia collusion that 532 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: would still be admissible that. WAY i, mean this is 533 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: we're getting way down. 534 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: Here they're asking, questions which are intelligent, questions AND i 535 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: think it actually becomes really. Interesting, buck when you were 536 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 3: OUT i talked about. This one of the challenges of 537 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: all these, cases and this is me being a legal 538 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: nerd is if the president has, protection which The Supreme 539 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: court has said to do his, JOB i don't understand 540 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: how you prosecute people underneath the. President if the president 541 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: has protection to do it and he authorizes someone underneath 542 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: him to do, it it seems really unfair to me 543 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: to charge an underling who is responding to a president's. 544 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: Act in other, WORDS i think the presidential immunity ruling 545 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: is actually not only going to protect the. PRESIDENT i 546 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: think it is going to go to secondary and maybe 547 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: even tertiary. Figures there you go using it very appropriately 548 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: if you remember yesterday's, CALL i think it is going 549 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 3: to be a blanket in many ways of protection that 550 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: extends from the president and basically descends. DOWNWARDS i think 551 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: all this is a challenge What buck AND i are 552 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: trying To none of them. 553 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: Are going to. Prison, Okay i'm just none of them 554 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: are going to, prison AND i don't even think they're 555 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: gonna get. Charged And i'm just telling you this BECAUSE 556 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: i don't want anyone to get your hopes. Up but 557 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: there's going to be more, accountability you. Know and If i'm, 558 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: wrong of Course i'll come out and, Say, wow they 559 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: Actually i'm. SORRY i don't see it. Happening AND i, 560 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Remember i've been through. This i've been through this all 561 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: The benghazi, hearings you, Know TREY, goudi you, know, shouting 562 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: pounding the table and everything. Else the whole TIME i was, 563 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: saying no one's gonna get in trouble for. This know 564 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: what's going to Get trump telling you, SO i don't 565 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: think this is going to be something that ends the 566 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: way that a lot of people are. Hoping gary And, 567 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Burlington Burlington, Junction. Missouri what's going? On? 568 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: Gary? 569 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 5: YEAH i was just wanting to talk. 570 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: A little bit about. 571 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,239 Speaker 2: That play kind of answered my question there about this 572 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: blanket blanket pardoner or, whatever not, pardon but. 573 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: You know WHAT i. Mean, Community, yeah, yeah. 574 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 6: Yeah AND i don't know why in the, world after 575 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 6: The democrats did what they did To, trump how come to. 576 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: Shoot don't fit the other. 577 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: Side, well, again the problem that you run, against thank 578 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: you for calling, In. Gary the problem you run against, 579 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: here over and over again is, they even though we 580 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: know that for a whole bunch of, reasons they didn't 581 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: really believe the things that they were pretending to, believe 582 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: and they abused the, system their fallback is always going. 583 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: To this is the same thing With, comey same thing With, 584 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: brennan same thing with the fifty one intelligence, officials all this. 585 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Stuff they'll just, Say, OKAY i was. WRONG i THOUGHT 586 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: i was defending the country AND i was. Wrong that's 587 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: not a. Crime now we can all say bull. Crap 588 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: we know you know you were, Lying but proving that 589 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: and fitting it into a statutory crime is the challenge. 590 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: Here those are different, things AND i appreciate the. 591 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 3: CALL i DON'T i think people every, crime by and, 592 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: large there are some strict liability. Crimes every crime requires an, 593 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: act and then they call it an actisraya and then 594 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: A men'sraa mensrea requires. Intent and What buck is getting at, 595 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: is in order to prove beyond a reasonable, doubt you 596 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 3: have to be able to prove that they knew it 597 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: was a lie and that they intended to propagate a. 598 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 3: LIE i think What buck is hitting on is the 599 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: defense is going to be very strongly rooted, In, hey 600 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: we thought this was. True and that's WHY i was 601 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: asking him to, explain BECAUSE i do think this. Matters 602 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: there might be a thousand different opinions about What Vladimir 603 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: putin's health is right. 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Healthy he's healthy as a, horse he's going 608 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: to live another twenty years and his reign is going to. 609 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: Continue somebody else might, say, HEY i think there's evidence 610 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: that he's been treated for some sort of serious health 611 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 3: related condition and his power is more tenuous than we. 612 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: Think somebody's going to be, right somebody's going to be. 613 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: Wrong but every spectrum of analysis is going to be 614 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 3: covered inside of. There AND i, think AND i was 615 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: of this opinion prior to understanding doing this. 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