1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Brooks and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Welcome in to the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: March twenty four. I'm JP Shandrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: coming up as well a review of the newest additions 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: to the Jaguars and free agency, and they're running it 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: back with a couple of familiar names as well, Urban 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: Meyer getting a taste of NFL business for the first time. 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: We'll hear from the Jags head coach. And after all 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: that you can adjust your mocks accordingly. Bucky Brooks has 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: done just that. His latest is out Tuesday on NFL 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: dot com and we'll get some social media questions as well. 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: As we always do. Remember to subscribe to the Official 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Jaguars Podcast Network. It's on Apple, iTunes, Spotify or wherever 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Give us five stars and all 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: the comments we can handle. John Osier with us as 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: always from his home studio. Buckey Brooks is via telephone 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: this week and it's it's it's an interesting we're making 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: that happen here on the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky Yeah, 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily idea of what that's what we're gonna do. 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna take it back to the glory days of 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: the mid nineties of the Jaguar. So might's will do 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: it be a phone? Is this a paper prodigy? JP? 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I think it's what he's using Prodigy. I mean, I 25 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: mean he watched my ole A O L address and 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: everything else, Like what is that aim instant messenger? Might 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: will do all of that, just take it all the 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: way back, doll up and all the wizing and worrying 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: and build pine union popping signing off. So yeah, I 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: love its fantastic. I love it. Well, we're making it 31 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: happen today here on the Huddle Up Podcast. It is 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: a pro Day season, it's free agencies underway and there's 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot going on. But Bucky would have been your 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: assignments this week Pro Day wise before we get to 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Jaguar stuff. Well, we have to be really excited to 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: be had opportunity on Tuesday to look at Mac Jones 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: and the crew from the Crimson's Dies. So that's been 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun and those guys, I 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: think what would even more impressive beyond the Mac Jones 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: workout was naj Hairs Drather nine hours because his flight 41 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: was canceled just to be in the building to the 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: board his teammates. I think it says a lot about 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: him and his football character that he really wanted to 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: be a part of it that he got in the 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: car and drive for nine hours. I can't say that 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: I would drive nine hours. That I pass off to 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: him for driving nine hours for a pro day that 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: he didn't participate him from Dallas to Tuscaloosa, John is 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: not really the most you know, scenic of routes. It's 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: uh a little boring. John Well, I've been to enough 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: Pro day that I don't know if I drive nine 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: minutes to one if I didn't have to. But it 53 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: certainly speaks to get what that program means, uh to 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: each other, and speaks you know, to him, because that's 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: definitely not one. Nobody was going to count against him 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: for not doing that, obviously. And I know, Bucky you 57 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: you would have missed out. I know you missed out 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: on like lunch at City Cafe in Northport because you 59 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: probably would have been there and and in person and 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: all that. But everything is a lot of its virtual 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: this year so you're missing out on some of the 62 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: best things Tuscaloosa has to offer. Let's get to the Jaguars. 63 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Zoe here on the Huddle Up podcast, and we heard 64 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: from Urban Meyer last week. Is reaction to the early 65 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: part of free agency, and the Jaguars head coach, of course, 66 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: is used to getting most every recruit that they went 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: after in college, especially at the big time schools at 68 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: Florida and Ohio State. But here in the NFL, especially 69 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: the first wave of free agency, it's all about the dollars. Yeah, 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: I remember it is I see that. I said, go 71 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: get him. I want that guy, you know, go get him. 72 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: In recruiting, we would have a recruiting meeting and identify 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: the best players, say go get him. Then all of 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, I start finding out this guy cost twenty 75 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: eight million dollars. This guy cost and it was a 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: really I knew it. To say I didn't know it, 77 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: of course I knew it. But just the way you 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: put that polls together about here's your here's your cap space, 79 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: here's your choices. Can we take him? But we get 80 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: three of these guys to help, And so I imagine 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: once you build your roster exactly the way you want it. 82 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: Then you can take one guy and go get that, 83 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, the million dollar athlete. Uh, we weren't. Were 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: not in position to do that right now, you know, 85 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: we're just not. So it was a learning experience. I 86 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: feel great about it, all right, guys. It's a welcome 87 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I guess it's a welcome to the NFL moment for 88 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. He knew it. He knew it's a business 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: and it's money, and that it's the first taste of 90 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: really seeing a check and that you have to write 91 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: for five million dollars. Business decisions, though, are both ways. 92 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean you could obviously the player wants that what's 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: best for them the most money, but the organizations can 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: also take a pass. And it feels like John, that's 95 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: what the Jaguars have done on some of these guys. 96 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: They maybe had a number I can't I don't want 97 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: to break the bank early in free a agency. They 98 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: had so many other things John to really handle here. 99 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: I think we've talked about in this show and many others, 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 1: the perception of Urban Myra before you got here hasn't 101 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: been the way it's played out at all in terms 102 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: of his willingness to be candid with the media as 103 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: transparent as possible. I thought last week when he was 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: talking about free agency, he was incredibly candidate. Look, I 105 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: learned a lot about this process. There were some things 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: he didn't like about the process, and I saw some 107 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: national people sort of criticizing for some of the things 108 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: he said along the lines of, Hey, this isn't a 109 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: great system when you can't meet these guys before you 110 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: actually get him in the building. I don't know that 111 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: there is a solution to what Urbans talking about, but 112 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: I certainly don't think he's wrong to think that that's 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: kind of a jacked up system when you are investing 114 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: this kind of equity in these guys and you can't 115 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: even shake their hands. Beyond that, though, to the point 116 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: of your question, JP, I thought it was very fascinating 117 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: when Urban basically said, hey, we had certain budgets on guys, 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: we weren't going to go past it. That was a 119 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: learning process and it spoke to what they did in 120 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: free agency, which is what we talked about last week. 121 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: They saw this roster needed to improve in certain areas. 122 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: There were areas where they went after quote unquote frontline guys, 123 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: but they looked at and said we need to spend 124 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: our money wisely and get the talent base of this up. 125 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: It's not time to go after big time free agent 126 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: money yet. By yeah. No. I think it's really interesting 127 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: to see how Urban attacked this because it is one 128 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: of the things that you wanted. How would he kind 129 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: of become familiar with the free agency process. I think 130 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: I think he does bring up a good point. It 131 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: is really hard to invest big time money with someone 132 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: that you don't know. But I think he let us, uh, 133 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: he kind of let us know how they were going 134 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: to deal with that process when he talked about he 135 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: wanted the position coaches to have god that they wanted 136 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: in the room. And I think we saw a lot 137 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: of familiarity and some way, shape or form. We see 138 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: Joe Collen bring over to how Ward someone that he 139 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: had in his room. We saw others. We saw Malcolm 140 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: Brown come over via trade because Charlie Shrunk certainly had 141 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: a relationship with him prior. And they're a handful of 142 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: other guys there, Belbo Know and Marvin Jones, And so 143 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: when you think about that and you think about free agency, 144 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the one thing that's always kind of what makes you 145 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: fearful of free agency is bringing someone over that you 146 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: don't really know, and then when you pay them big books, 147 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: you get me be like, yeah, he's not really a 148 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: great fit for what we do, not only schematically, but 149 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: how he is in the locker room. There's some validity 150 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: to Urban's point, but I think you also tried to 151 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: work around it by having guys come over that someone 152 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: on the staff previously knew or worked with. Don't you think, Bucky, 153 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: that that maybe matters even more right now when they're 154 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: trying to get it established than maybe it will in 155 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: two or three years when they'll have a culture established 156 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: and the culture can change a guy once that's the case. 157 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: Right now, they want guys that they know will grasp 158 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: what they're doing. It seems like that's more important maybe 159 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: now than it will be in two or three years. Slightly. Absolutely, 160 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: I think that it's something that is a huge deal, 161 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: and I think it's something for the culture that he 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: wants to make sure that he gets right. And as 163 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: long as they continue to kind of kick the tires 164 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: and make sure that they're bringing in the right fits 165 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: from the character standpoint and a playing standpoint. In terms 166 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: of the schematics, I think it gives them a chance. 167 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: I just you know, there's so much uncertainty and you're 168 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: up against We still don't know if there's gonna be 169 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: a normal off season. You have to try and figure 170 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: out a way to kind of get this thing going 171 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: and turn it around without being able to do the 172 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: thing that we're normal, normal things that we would do. 173 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: And I guess a pre pandemic off season j P. 174 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't imagine. I guess they really haven't 175 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: said for sure what the off season program. They have not. Yeah, 176 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I haven't heard it, Bucky, Well, No, we have heard, 177 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: Like they haven't said anything. The other thing we said 178 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: is about the draft, but we haven't said anything about 179 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: what the off season will look like. I'm sure it 180 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: would probably be a mixt of what look like last 181 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: year and maybe maybe a few more in person things. 182 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, offseason workouts are supposed to start April five 183 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: with the new coaching staff, so the weight room and 184 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: all that's supposed to start then. But that I do 185 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: not want to be around Urban if they tell him 186 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: you can't be around players come April five. And I'm 187 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: just saying that, as I've heard him say a couple 188 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: of times I heard him say when it was just 189 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: me and Davey Kanda talking to him, and it makes sense. 190 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: That's the one thing that for him. He is such 191 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: a get to know the player, established trust that's so 192 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: important to him. He's already antsy about not being able 193 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: to get with the quarterback in January, February and March. 194 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: If you tell, you know, put it this way, you say, 195 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: don't shoot the messenger. He might shoot the messenger on this. 196 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one town that's not 197 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna be made it crazy. I'm joking, but that's obviously 198 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: for him. You know, he considers that so important. It 199 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: speaks to what he believes is as is important, as 200 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: much as it is sort of amusing to think abou 201 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: him getting angry about it. This is the Huddle Up Podcast. 202 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Osan senior writer Jaguars dot Com, 203 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst. Let's touch on a few editions. 204 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: You know, last week on this podcast, we went through 205 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: pretty much all the names that were reported at the time. 206 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Because when this aired, it wasn't official yet. It aired 207 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, it wasn't official until four o'clock in the 208 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: afternoon last Wednesday. So we'll touch on a few of 209 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: the names and touch on the guys who are really 210 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: in the building this week because an earlier podcast we've 211 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: really gone in depth on some of these other guys 212 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: and Bucky. You know, we're talking about character off the 213 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: field and performance on combined. Here. Marvin Jones really impressed 214 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: a lot of us around the building yesterday, the wide 215 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: receiver from the Detroit Lions, eighteen touchdowns the last two years, 216 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: and from the little time we had with him yesterday, 217 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: it seems like off the field and and in that 218 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: meeting room and just in life in general, this is 219 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: a guy you want around your organization. Yeah, very mature 220 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: uh player. Obviously he's in his thirties, so he's been 221 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: around the league for a while, but even before that, 222 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: people would tell he's the consummate pro. He can go 223 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: about his business and a very professional manner. He's going 224 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: to prepare and he's going to be great for the 225 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: young guys in the room because he's going to show 226 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: them how to get ready. And so with the Viscustion 227 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: know and some of the other young guys that will 228 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: eventually be in their room, you need to have someone 229 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: that can be that that leader. Now that doesn't mean 230 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: that he will take the leadership duties away from DJ Chart, 231 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: but it's differently. You've been in there, you've been in 232 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: the league for a long time. And also when you're 233 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: learning a new offense on the dayre Bebble you on 234 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: someone who can accelerate the process. He'll be able to 235 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: do that. And not only mentioned the work that he'll 236 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: do with Trevor Lawrence. I think this is a really 237 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: really smart pickup by the jackboard. It's funny, JH. The 238 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: more are you're around the league, the more you realize 239 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: guys who do it for ten years or more. That 240 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: so written, that's not about talent to me as much 241 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: as it's about figuring out what it takes to play 242 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: in this league and to continue to be productive. I'll 243 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: guarantee you drafts. Yeah, since Marvin Jones has been in 244 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: the league, there have probably been a hundred receivers drafted 245 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: who have more quote talent than this guy. Whatever talent means. 246 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: So for guys who are able to say in the 247 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: league name with Tyson out all you know, no matter 248 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: where you're drafted, matter how much talent you have if 249 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: you're in the league ten years or more. I don't 250 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: think you do that without being an unbelievable professional. And 251 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: I think it's important you got that on both sides 252 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: of the ball at all positions right now or they're 253 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: getting closer to it. But you're in the point where 254 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of positions. You've got veteran guys who 255 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: can be leaders in that room. And uh, I'm not 256 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: as big on that as some people are that you 257 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: have to have that, but you need the right guy 258 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: leading each spot because it's an eighth year guys me, 259 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: he's the right guy. It feels like they're getting close 260 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: to having the right guy at a lot of these spots. 261 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: Let's touch on another area that obviously is of importance 262 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: to most head coach is certainly head coach Urban Meyer, 263 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: and that's Rudy Ford, the safety by trade, but special teams. 264 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Ace comes from the Eagles. He only played in eight 265 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: games last year, Bucky, but I think he had eleven 266 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: total special teams tackles last year in that time frame, 267 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: which is a top six or so in the NFL. 268 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: The guy can really get down the field and you 269 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: need a handful of course, special teams guys, and it 270 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: feels like Rudy Ford could step into that role. Yeah, 271 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: I think he absolutely can step in today. Well, you 272 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: talked about the production in a small sample side. It 273 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: just shows how active he is in the kicking game. 274 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: And one of the things that Urban takes pride in, 275 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: and he's always taking pride in, going back to its 276 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: commute day, has been having a dominant especially teams unit. 277 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: And so you don't sound a guy like that, Jeff, Oh, 278 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a backup player. Maybe you can help us. 279 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: It's about trying to build an elite special teams unit 280 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: because we see it most infrol games that ecide about 281 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: one score eight points of fewer. And so if you 282 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: can find a way to kill the skills in your 283 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: favor by having an elite kicking game, I think it 284 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: certainly helps you go from a bad team to maybe 285 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: a team that is very competitive in year one. Every 286 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: coach alive JP says special teams is a third of 287 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: the game. Every coach that not every coach or organization 288 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: puts equity behind it. They clearly did during free agency forward. 289 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: These are guys. Agne is at a four core guy, 290 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: but he's a returner Ford being a four core guy. 291 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: They're taking it seriously with this and it matters to 292 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: him and there's no reason it should the way they 293 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: approached it. This allows them to put their money where 294 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: their mouth is. In terms of special teams, again, they 295 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: clearly looked at all ears the roster and said, we've 296 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: got to raise we have to raise the level by 297 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: what's that phrase, The tide lifts all ships? Whatever that 298 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: is tis all ships? Yeah, whatever that rising tide thing 299 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:25,119 Speaker 1: is that applies. So I've got more As this podcast 300 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: goes on, I will offer more analogies that I really 301 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: don't understand as ways to define things, right. That's right. 302 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: One final touch on here, guys is Tyson Allo Allo. 303 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: He hasn't visited here yet, but I think he knows 304 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: where the weight room is. Buck. He's been around here 305 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: for a long time. And you know this is one 306 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: where going back to that defensive line set up, you 307 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: know they needed some beef there. That was that was 308 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: priority number two behind quarterback for urban Meyer in the 309 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: off season. So they did that with a few names. 310 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: We talked about him last week where robertson Harris Malcolm Brown, 311 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: the trade in from the Saints but bringing Tyson in. 312 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: The guy has missed four games in his entire career, 313 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: and a couple of those were just by coaches decision. 314 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Here in Jacksonville, he wasn't injured then, so in reality, 315 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: he's probably missed two games because of injury. He's reliable, 316 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: he's sharp, he's as good as you want off the 317 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: field as well, and having him back around here is 318 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: going to be great for this team. Bucky, Yeah, absolutely 319 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: would be great. This is guy that up in Pittsburgh. 320 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: He was a key contributor, former first round pick for 321 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: the Jaguar. He understands that, he understands organization and the land. 322 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: You're trying to make sure you have enough veteran that 323 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: can show the young guys the way. We believe that 324 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: this is going to be a very young team and 325 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to rebuild the teams. You're gonna have a 326 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: bunch of first, second, or third you guys. You need 327 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: veterans in each position room that can set the tone 328 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: and waived the standards performance. And so hopefully Tyson can 329 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: come back to action. He can do that, and hopely 330 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: they still can add another player or two with elite 331 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: talent that can kind of change the way that that 332 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: D line about their business. Look, there's being an iron man, 333 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: which Tyson is, and there's playing through things where he 334 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't be playing. He had micro facture surgery. I think 335 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: after his second year, I forget which year it was. 336 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: He has played through stuff. I've been told by different 337 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: coaches here that there's no way he should have been 338 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: playing through. This guy is tough. He shows up every week. 339 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: He can still play at a high level as well. 340 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: But as much as Urban talked last week about Joe 341 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Colin banging the table for Ward, I'll guarantee you Colon 342 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: bang the table follow all of and I went to 343 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: Urban and if availability was a topic, I guarantee you 344 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Colon went to Urban and said, look, if this guy 345 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: can be available, he's going to be available. Don't worry 346 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: about it with him. He's as impressive row as I've 347 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: ever been around. So I would sign him if I 348 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: even thought I was going to get four games from 349 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: him a year, just to have him around younger players. 350 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: I think he's that much of an influence. And now 351 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: he's back back intil again, where he probably should have 352 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: could have stayed throughout his entire career. But he's back 353 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: and that will be a great addition to this Jaguars 354 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: defensive line. This is the Huddle Up Podcast. 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Visit Jaguars dot com or called nine oh 364 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: four six three three two thousand and subscribe to the 365 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: Official Jaguars Podcast Network. It's on Apple, iTunes, Spotify, or 366 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Give us the five star treatment. Well, 367 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: let's get to Jaguars needs now. Free agency is underway. 368 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: First wave is done. We'll see if there are other 369 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: additions down the line. But with all these additions, you've 370 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: got to adjust your mock drafts accordingly. And Bucky, you've 371 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: done just that. Yours hit on Tuesday two point oh 372 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: first round mock draft. What do you have for the Jaguars. Well, 373 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: obviously we can go to Traivor Lawrence at number one 374 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: because he's the face of the franchise. He's exactly what 375 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: we want at the position. Leadership ability, big time arm talent, athleticism. 376 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: He appeared to be in the lockstep with what Urban 377 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: wats in terms of at that position. So he's a 378 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: no brainer at number one. I think the interesting thing 379 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: is getting down to twenty five. What direction will the 380 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: Jaguars go. We talked about the needing to upgrade the 381 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: defensive line. They need a dominant and where need elite 382 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: defensive linement. I don't know if there's one that's sitting 383 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: there twenty five, and so that's make sure we go 384 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: to the back end and find someone in the middle 385 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: of the field that can make plays. And so for me, 386 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm believing that Chrevn Warrey from TCU as a 387 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: guy that is certainly of interest. When you go back 388 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: and study how Joe Cullen the defense of the Ravens play, 389 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: how Ohio State played under Urban, which will split safety defense, 390 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: your strong tape and your free safe. Do you need 391 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: to be able to cover the man demand you need 392 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: to be able to beef factory just to run they 393 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: be able to me and make plays. He is the 394 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: best playmaker at the position and safety and with the 395 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: skill set. When you talked about have an opportunity to 396 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: have an all star at the position, if he's the five, 397 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a no brainer. Okay, Bucky, we all 398 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: know that in your next mock draft you'll pick somebody 399 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: else because that's what all the smith drafters do. So 400 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: who will you pick for them? And you're like, I 401 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: guess what I'm getting at is there's two or three 402 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: directions they could go here. I agree with you that 403 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: this kid makes a lot of sense. You see bar More, 404 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: what other logical spots would there be a because you'll 405 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: change the next one. I mean maybe, I don't know. 406 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: I have to think about it, like I've wrestled so 407 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: hard with it all over the weekend that maybe I 408 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: can come up with another thing. A lot of it 409 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: depends on what they feel like internally about Cam Robinson 410 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle, because this is your year where you 411 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: may have six seven guys that carry first round grades 412 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: to that position. It wouldn't be a bad idea if 413 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: you're sitting in twenty five to take a good offensive tackle. 414 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: If you pick me sitting there in that range, you 415 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: could potentially be talking about Jamy Mayfield from Michigan. I 416 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: think uh coach I would say Death School of North Um. 417 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: You may feel they could be sitting there. You have 418 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: the potential of uh Keevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State also 419 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: being available. And the surprise name they could be a 420 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: first rounder would be Liam I can birg from mother name. 421 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: If you beat up that offset the line and make 422 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: sure that the quarterback is protected, you can never go wrong. 423 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: And so I viewed the game as a game of chess. 424 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: And then I'm rum and chests protect the king and 425 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: said Trevor Lawrence is going to be the king. Make 426 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: sure you protect him and you can protect him to 427 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: the big offensive loan. One thing that Jaguars did not 428 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: get done in at least the early wave of free 429 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: agency is a pass catching tight end down the field. 430 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: Is that a possibility or is that even too early 431 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: at is that something they could wait a little bit 432 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: second round draft? I think for like tight in you 433 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: definitely can find a tight end in the second round. 434 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: Patree from Penn State is in the conversation Hunter along 435 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: from Boston College and both in the conversation. Both of 436 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: those guys would be nights fit big after the past, catch, 437 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: the big hands, sturdy in the ring in I think 438 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: both of those guys could be in play if you 439 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: go a little later. You didn't talk about Trey McKee, 440 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: who is from Georgia, super athletic. If you want one 441 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: of those Johnny Smith types that can run the scene 442 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: and do those things, yeah, so you can find that's 443 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: how in. But I do believe they need to invest 444 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: in the tight end fairly early if you want one 445 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: of those difference makers as opposed to a guy that 446 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: might just be a little limited in some other areas. 447 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: But my understanding is in your mock and not forgive me, 448 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: I've not gone past the top ten in your mom um. 449 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: You have Pitts going to thirteen. I did in the 450 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: scenario because remember now, I'm a purist when it comes 451 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: to my draft. There john no trade, no funny like. 452 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: Whatever the picks are, those are the picks. But when 453 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: you think, yeah, there's been a lot of conversations about 454 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: cow pits, maybe he's the second best player in the 455 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: draft and those things. But when you go back and 456 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: look at tight end taking the top ten, it hasn't 457 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: been very time t J. Hockenson from Detroit was taken 458 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: at eight. He's been okay, but he hasn't been an 459 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: all star. Eric eve Ryan going all the way back, 460 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: was drafting in the top ten. I had some very 461 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: dominant and dynamic players. I would say his career has 462 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: just been okay. And so as much as I love 463 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: up Kyle Pitt as the player the top trit in, 464 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: let's see George Kittle. Fifth round pick. Travis Kelsey I 465 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: also think was the fifth round pick. So it doesn't 466 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: necessarily translate that if you take a tight and high 467 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: you want to be an impact player. He had great 468 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: value as a first rounder. I just don't know if 469 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: I would pull the trader on him in the first 470 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: round early. But Bucky, I mean, look at the tape 471 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: on this guy. I mean this, this guy's tape is 472 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: not those guys tape, at least in my opinion. I mean, 473 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: what he did, especially this past season at Florida when 474 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: he was healthy, you don't really see that. That doesn't 475 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: show up anywhere. That's that's very rare to find. Especially 476 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: wait till he puts out about fifteen or twenty more 477 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: pounds too. Yeah, look, he's a fantastic playmaker. He did 478 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: jumbo wide receiver out there in a tight end. Boy, 479 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: he ran four or fourth six and all that in workouts. 480 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: But we've seen those guys come from lesser rings. JP, 481 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to get him in the top ten. 482 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: He's a fantastic player. But remember this draft is deep 483 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: in pass catchers and all those other things, and some 484 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: coaches can't create guys BECAU don't know how they use 485 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: them if he's there, because I'm thinking that the places 486 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: where everyone actually put them in Philadelphia at six, Uh, 487 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: do they stay with Jalen Hurst and say to the quarterback? 488 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: Is not there where? Else where else in the top ten? 489 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Are we talking about outside of Philadelphia where he could 490 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: be a good to do the Dallas Cowboys for the 491 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: trigger at ten on A on A, I mean, just 492 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: go all the offense and say we're gonna be team 493 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: forty Burger if we can put forty on everybody outside 494 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: of that, the forty forty Niners at twelve, maybe to 495 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: put him alongside George Kittle. And so it's not only 496 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: his appreciation for his talents, but where do we slot him? Innute, 497 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: I say no way, the Jags trade up if it's 498 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: top six or seven. But if he slides the twelve, 499 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: would they not have a chance to trade him to 500 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: get him at that point? I mean, I mean, are 501 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: we deeming him the missing piece on offense? I mean, 502 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: if we're deeming him the missing piece of offense, yes 503 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: we need to grossively go up and get him. But 504 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, like the play callers that we have there, 505 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: like I take play calls employer, but the quarterback coach 506 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: bland shot and how many then yea double? They've never 507 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: been one that have really utilized the featured the tied end. 508 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe they have a little section in the 509 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: playbook that is just for the stressure side end that 510 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: they've never had in their careers. But I don't know, 511 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, like I would like to find someone that 512 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: can control it over the middle of the field, But 513 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: is that an essential piece to the way that they 514 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: want to play? Only coach mind those hadn't well we've 515 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: mentioned that on this podcast. By the way, I would 516 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: be pro team forty Burger on offense. I want to 517 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: score forty a game. So whatever that happens, how don't 518 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: we have to do that? Put this roster together, draft 519 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: free agent trade fort Burgers, Team forty Burger, Team forty Burger. 520 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: That's the juine. You're gonna light it up, defense, through 521 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: it out the window. Let's get all the offensive weapons 522 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: to make this like a magname. Maybe we can kick 523 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: on that kicks with all the special teamers that we're getting. 524 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: Just up. Yeah, I know, we just resigned the punter, 525 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: but you know what, get him out of here too. 526 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: We're not gonna put risk going four on fourth down 527 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: every time. I mean, I noticed may may pay. We 528 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: can do I mean, got down there. We can go 529 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: with the old Steve Spurrier approach and just funning gunning, 530 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, just swing it all over the lot and 531 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: you know up team forty Burger. That's uh huddle Up 532 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: podcast approach. We're moving along on the Huddle Up Podcast. 533 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: You're on the Official Jaguars podcast network, and we usually 534 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: wrap up with social media questions. We put the bat 535 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: signal out on Tuesday, and here's what we've come up 536 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: with today. This is from at Sick with It. Urban 537 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: said he wants an elite D line. There is no 538 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: one elade on this line as of today. Clowney is 539 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: an elite athlete and is elite and stopping the run. 540 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: Can he be a player that the Jags target? H yeah, 541 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: Oh I'll pass on that coffee. I'll let John have you. 542 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: No like for me. I think he's a great the 543 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: best that never was. Like, he's a tremendous athlete. He 544 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: looks support. I mean, he is all of that. He 545 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: doesn't give you shack production, he doesn't give you consistent availability. 546 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: I think he's his name value carried more than his game. Yeah, 547 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: I U yeah, I couldn't read more with that. He 548 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: is a name, and it's exactly the opposite of what 549 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: they've done in free agency so far, which is pay 550 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: for big name. They clearly have preferred going for guys 551 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: that they think have great value. I just don't think 552 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: Clowney right now would be a value acquisition and free agency. 553 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: He strikes you as far more the guy that if 554 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: you think you need maybe one more guy over the top, 555 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: and he's there in September and you're a team that 556 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: thinks they're going to be in a super maybe, But 557 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: that really hasn't worked with the teams that is acquired him. 558 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean that really hasn't been how it's worked for him. 559 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Last couple of years, so I don't see it. All 560 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: three of us combined had as many sacks as Clowney 561 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: last year. Yeah. Yeah. And also, Man, I don't know 562 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: when we talk about it, like Ian talking about the culture, 563 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: I think he liked it. I don't know if you 564 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: loved it. He didn't play the game like he loved it, 565 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's a frustrating thing if you're coaching 566 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: him more supporting game because number one overall pick, number 567 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: one overall recruiting high school, like even number one at 568 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. And I don't know if 569 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: he's ever played today because our next question today from 570 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: at evan Off Joel, what are your thoughts on Rondale 571 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Moore and where do you see his value? Of course, 572 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: he has to produe wide receiver. He measured in on 573 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: Tuesday and produced pro Day at five ft seven even 574 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: eighty pounds, but his vertical was forty two and a 575 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: half inches and unofficial four point to nine forty. It's 576 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: a pro day forty time though, Bucky, what do you 577 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: think of Rundale more shipped and explosive? The four two 578 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: times speaks for a seven, even if it's not official. 579 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: They put him in the low four three range, so 580 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: he certainly can fly when you listen to him. Uh. 581 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: In interviews he talks about being a crafty off running. 582 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: He has all that because you take passed that up. 583 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: The problem is he's five seven five seven. It's hard 584 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: to find why receiving the past and then each have 585 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: a march. She had all these bodies coming at you, 586 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: and you're trying to find the five seven guys like 587 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: guess that's difficult. But there's a place for him. I mean, 588 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: I would expect he goes off the board day two. 589 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a dad boy. Uh, you know, 590 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know where who he removes from 591 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: the line up because you have a slide daddy guy 592 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: touched the rock that didn't take the way k from 593 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: the discussion of JP five seven is short. I'm not there. 594 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm with Bucky there. I'm sure that there are some 595 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: teams I don't want to say off the board, but 596 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some teams where there's a GM 597 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: saying I just can't DRAFTIFI seven receiver, and he may 598 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: defy that because that sometimes happens. But I'm with Bucky. 599 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: I would have a tough time in in round one 600 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: what I thought of as a premium guy. Boy, that's 601 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: a big risk. H all right, thanks for the question there. 602 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Let's get our last question today at Danton Thomas are 603 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: a regular here on this segment. Are there any other 604 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: players you see the Jaguars pursuing in that second wave 605 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 1: of free agency? If so, what positions would be picked up? Think? 606 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean we talked about it. The bag of quarterback 607 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: position is one that I have to be discussed. That 608 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: we have to get a veteran backup. I know, miss Humania. 609 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I get you still flickering the famous still 610 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: on a little bit, but I want a veteran quarterback 611 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: that up tell large become the best that he could, 612 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: very very quickly, so that they can find a vetteran 613 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: quarterback this out there. Maybe with the first letter A 614 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: and Alex last Damous Smith. I mean, maybe that's the movie, 615 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: you know. I just think you have to have someone 616 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: that can show Trevor Lawrence how to play the game, 617 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: who also understand the culture so to me and makes sense. 618 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: That will be the guy that I'll look for the 619 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: second way. Yeah, I think they should sign Alan Smith. 620 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: He would fit Bucky's criteria. And I agree. I'm a 621 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: proponent as well of the veteran backup plan. It's not 622 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: that I'm not a proponent of Minshew, but I think 623 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: in this situation, what Bucky's talking about makes sense. It's 624 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: so hard to predict second way free agency because by definition, 625 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: it's more of a fill out some gaps. Anybody brought 626 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: in now is probably not going to be the Hey, 627 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: we envisioned a specific frontline role for this guy. You 628 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: wonder if you know zach Ertz still sitting out there. 629 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Anything that goes on with tight end is automatically gonna 630 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: peak people's interests. Although it feels to me like they 631 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: have decided to go the route of developed the tight end, 632 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: I think they sort of buy into what Bucky's talking about. 633 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with tight end that it is 634 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: hard to find in the first round. It's high risk 635 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: in the first round, and most of these great players, 636 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: I think Kelsey was the third rounder. But it's the 637 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: Bucky's point, the elite guys, the great guys. The last 638 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: elite first round tight end, I think it was Gonzalez. Yeah, 639 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: maybe missing a couple, but to your point, it's that 640 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: rare Gonzalez came out in the nineties. It's not a 641 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: guaranteed if you take him in the first round it 642 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: works out position, So I would certainly wait on that 643 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: spot as well. But interesting, what would you consider Jeremy 644 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: Shocky that Oh yeah, Jeremy Shocky. I mean he came out, 645 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: he had deduction. You've gotta lived up to the hype. 646 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean what you're yeah, I mean we're still talking 647 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: a couple of decades here. Yeah, I mean, I'm Ron 648 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: was the second rounder. So it's it. It's hard to 649 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: find it to me, and Bucky and I have talked 650 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: about this some like last year, but I'm talking about 651 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: the draft. To me, it's it's the trickiest spot. As 652 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: much as Jaguars fans have killed this team over the 653 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: years for not having a guy there, it's an unbelievably 654 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: tricky spot because the first rounders don't always work out. 655 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: It's not hyperae in the first round, so you're automatically 656 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: going late in the draft to find it. Well. That 657 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: means you're developing. That means you're taking a guy that 658 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: has a flaw somewhere would be a first rounder, and 659 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: if they're elite, they never come close to free agency, 660 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: so they hang on to these guys. I don't think 661 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: the forty night Is are gonna let Kidtle go anytime soon. 662 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: On next year's Top fifty free agents. Kelsey ain't gonna 663 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: be on it. So it's just hard to find. It's 664 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: a really hard position to find. And as much as 665 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: you want to kill this team for not finding it, 666 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of teams that have found that 667 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: elite guy at tight end. It's funny, John JP, because 668 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: you're talking about it. I'm right down the three tight 669 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: ends that really stand out to me. We talked about 670 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: George Kittle, the NFL Travis Kelsey benefit, Darren Waller, I 671 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: want to say, with the six or seven, and he 672 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: was a former college wide receiver. And the tricky part 673 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: of the position is the job description. The job description 674 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: of a traditional tight end is your half offensive lineman, 675 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: half wide receivers. Well, how many guys are walking around 676 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: on the planet that have those capabilities where they can 677 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: go and deal with those big old defensive ends, but 678 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: yet they're swift enough to be a legitimate pass catcher. 679 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is you split the job 680 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: with amongst two different people. You have your traditional tight 681 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: end that does all the grunt work, and then you 682 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: have the pass catcher. I think for the Jags is 683 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: who can you identify as the value price pass catcher 684 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: that can develop and be that guy that's a difference 685 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: maker in the passing game. And who is the tight 686 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: end coach? Who is the guy that can develop those 687 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: specific skills because it does take some development to get 688 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: those guys up and going the challenge. Alright, great conversation there, 689 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: and thanks again for all the submissions on social media. 690 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: On Tuesday afternoon for the Huddle Up podcast coming up 691 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: this week. Pro Days season continues on Guessing Bucky on 692 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: NFL Network. Yeah, Pro Days, Pro Days, Pro Days. We 693 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: have a few more Pro Days coming up. South Carolina 694 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: is when arriving. USC is also on the rising. Everyone 695 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: is excited to see and I think maybe Zach Wilson 696 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: maybe throwing the ball around the yard a little bit 697 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: so people get a chance to see the second or 698 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: maybe third quarterback in the draft. Ass do this thing? Well? 699 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: Urban be right there in front of them, is the question? 700 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: All signs pointed out? Yeah, I don't. Yeah, all kinds 701 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: of points to know. I think I think they may 702 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: be uh busy at work, trying to craft the offensive 703 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: around maybe the little quarterback from Colston Johnny, what do 704 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: you got coming up this week? Actually later in the week, 705 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a piece of Bucky. And I sort 706 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: of broke down the roster out of the last couple 707 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: of weeks, and then all of a sudden last Wednesday, 708 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: the entire roster changed. So I'll be doing sort of 709 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: a truncated version of that Thursday and Friday where I 710 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: break down the Jaguars offense and and Jaguars defense, just 711 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: to sort of reset the roster, because last Wednesday, this 712 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: whole thing changed dramatically. So if you're not sure where 713 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: guys are playing and what's gonna happen, log on to 714 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com on Thursday and Friday. Yeah, and from 715 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: the sounds of a Bucky's dial up might be fixed 716 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: by then, maybe he he'll be able to go on 717 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: and read his Internet. He's on the phone. I don't know, 718 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, hopefully you do that. If not, 719 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to snail mil You got don't have 720 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: to postcards and notes and all kinds of other stuff, 721 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: and may even be hand written. This is something that 722 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: I man I haven't done to my job, so you 723 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: may have to go all the way day. Facts that 724 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: John still has a fax machine I think somewhere in 725 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 1: this office. But fuck you. Will talk to you again 726 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 1: down the line next week. You have a good look. 727 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: You know you got to do okay, all right, Bucks 728 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: out of here and John, I'll see you a little 729 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: later today, as we always say here in the office. 730 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: And remember to subscribe to the Official Jaguars Podcast Network. 731 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: It's on Apple, iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you get your pods. 732 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Give us five stars and we will catch you next 733 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: time on the Huddle Up Podcast.