1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,679 Speaker 1: It's everything. 2 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: It's all of the above, right, It's how productive are they? 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: What are the testing and measurables, what's the film look like? 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: But the person is a big part of it. Like 5 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: your ability to hit your ceiling and maximize your talent, 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: A lot of that comes down to the makeup of 7 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: the individual and how they fit in our building, and 8 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: how they fit in our scheme and how they work 9 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: with our coaching step so they can develop, you know, 10 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: long term. Welcome to another edition of the best podcast Available, 11 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: also known as if you're watching on video form, Here Twins. 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Ciliano. This is my taller half and better 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: half Gibbee. 14 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Jason. 15 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 4: Last night, you're still talking nice about me even after 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: I ditched you. 17 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Last night. 18 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: We are live the Combine in Indianapolis, Live meaning we're 19 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: standing here alive. We have made it to day number 20 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 3: three of the Combine, and when Jason says he ditched me, 21 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 3: he didn't really ditch me. We all had a lovely dinner. 22 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: We then took it to another establishment. I called you, 23 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 3: Jason Gibbee. I'm sorry, Jason. 24 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 4: I've been called far worse. 25 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: Yes, my ex wife Okay, Gabe is laughing behind the camera. Wow, 26 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: this has turned into a different show. He was laughing 27 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: behind the camera because I called you Jason. Anyway, I 28 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: eventually decided to see him at about a horse. 29 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 4: I come back and you guys are all gone about 30 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 4: a horse. 31 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: It's a turn of phrase. 32 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: I went down the hallway and I came back and 33 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: you guys were all gone. 34 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 4: I had no idea till we got back and I 35 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: got your text and I said, we did leave him. Yes, 36 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 4: the good news is Zigura was still out. I did 37 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 4: run into Nathan a little bit later, shocking. He had 38 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: to record something at ten am. I think he eventually 39 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: went back to his room at one point. Yeah, yeah, 40 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: kind of, Yeah, it happened. Remember, Nathan here is working 41 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: hard for you to collect information. He's here for you. 42 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: He is working hard for somebody has to do it. 43 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: Let's get to the business. 44 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: Although I will say this, you are you might be 45 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: the most popular person here. The number of people when 46 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: we walk into a place, the number of people that 47 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: come up to you as we're walking through. You're a 48 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: very popular person. Not just because of the gold Zone. 49 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: I have a fit. 50 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: It's I mean, I think there is a post Olympic 51 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: hey thing you you're the gold Zone guy. 52 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: I think it's also. 53 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 2: I'm old and I've gone to a lot of these 54 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: I've worked at a lot of places, and so it's 55 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: like it's kind of reunion week. It's all these places, 56 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: all these people rather that you've worked with in years past. 57 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of it. 58 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: No, I just it's impressive. It's not a it's not 59 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 4: a demerit. It's it's impressive. So I think I think 60 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: that was how maybe you got left behind last okay, 61 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: is there was a lot going on and there were 62 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 4: a lot of people. Like the one place we were 63 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: at it's all standing room, and there were a ton of. 64 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: People, a ton of people. 65 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: I apologize and many a half of No, there's no 66 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: apology needed. Many of those people would come up and say, hey, 67 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: I heard you on the best podcast available, presented by 68 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: bulls Eye Event Group for award winning game day experiences, 69 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: visit bullseyevent group dot com. So there's that, and that's 70 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: obviously why you guys are here as well. Let's talk 71 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: about Andrew Berry, the Browns general manager, was on the 72 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: podium on Tuesday. All the all the head coaches do 73 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: a podium session here as is mandated and then they 74 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: do breakout sessions as well, where they step off the 75 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: podium and they talk to the local reporters and the 76 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: local beat writers, and AB was no different. I think 77 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: the big headline that a lot of people will take 78 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: is that there. 79 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: Is no. 80 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: Quarterback one that he is going to anoint right now, 81 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: which is no different than the Monday after the season 82 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 3: when last we heard from Andrew Berry the day Kevin 83 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 3: Stefanski was fired. I take it back heard from AB 84 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: when Todd Munkin was introduced. But there is no Hey, 85 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: you're the guy. Deshaun Watson's in the building, should Or 86 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: Sanders is in the building, Dylan Gabriel is in the building. 87 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: And AB did not in any way shut down the question. 88 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 3: Would you add more quarterbacks? Yes, of course you would 89 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: add more quarterbacks because, as he said, it is the 90 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: most important position on the field. 91 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he said, could be in free agency, could 92 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: be through the draft. You know, that's the information gathering 93 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: this week as we just talked about getting ready for 94 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: the draft and seeing if there's a guy out there. 95 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: You know, this is everybody talks about the quarterback that's 96 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: going to go off the board number one. And then 97 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: supposedly after that there's a drop. Maybe there is, maybe 98 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 4: there isn't. This week we'll tell us a little bit 99 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: more about that. 100 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this week is really a confirmation week for 101 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: all these college players who are throwing their names into 102 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: the hat or throwing their hat into the ring. I'm 103 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: mixing metaphors here for the NFL Draft. You saw what 104 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: the tape says, You saw what three or four years 105 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: of college production was on television, and now you want 106 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: to see what these guys actually look like and what 107 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: they do when they go out there and they test athletically. 108 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: That's just one part of it. The other part of. 109 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: It is meeting with everybody is hey, what's that first impression? Like, 110 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: what are these fifteen minutes like? 111 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: This is somebody that we want in our building, not 112 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: only as a football player, but as a human being, 113 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: as a member of our community here as well. And 114 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: a lot of draft boards, right, a lot of the 115 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: group think is going to change after eight days here 116 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. 117 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: So the Browns are at six and the Browns are 118 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: twenty four, and yeah, of course there's no way they're 119 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: going to draft defense. 120 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: Well, last year, there's no way they are going to 121 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: draft defense, right, so you think you know, but. 122 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: You don't know. 123 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: And getting through Indianapolis here two weeks ahead of free 124 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: agency is a major, major hurdle that really sets you 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: up for the rest of the year. 126 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it'll be fascinating to see. You know, 127 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: we've already had a lot of teams that are talking 128 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: about either applying some kind of tag, whether it's a 129 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: franchise tag or a transition tag, talk about guys June 130 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 4: first cuts and then talking about, you know, the new 131 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: year cuts. You know, we've seen Atlanta talking about Kirk 132 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: Cousins and you know, cutting him to save some salary. 133 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: And you know, everybody's kind of jockeying for position here 134 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: for what's going to come in the next two weeks. 135 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: And that's the first phase of acquisition for the twenty 136 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 4: twenty six season. 137 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's fair to say there will be 138 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: another quarterback in the room. 139 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: Don't know who that quarterback is, and the quarterback position 140 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: is quite fluid. Should Or Sanders has said, and he 141 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: said it at the Pro Bowl. He said at the 142 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: end of last season, no one's handing him a job. 143 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: He's going to continue to work and he wants to 144 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: go win that job, and he in all likelihood he 145 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: certainly is right now will be part of that conversation. 146 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: Joel Botonio's conversation is still ongoing. It had been reported 147 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: that the deadline for Joel to decide whether or not 148 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: he wants to come back to the Browns had. 149 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Been pushed to the tenth. 150 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: Just the perspective here is that the new league year 151 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: begins on the eleventh. That's when free agency takes over. 152 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty six, contracts officially kick in. So Ab 153 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: says that Joel has earned the right, yep, and he 154 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: certainly has. We agree with him to take as much 155 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: time as he needs, and that he the door is 156 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: open for Joel Botonio if he wants to come back 157 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: and play level. 158 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: I mean, they made that quite clear, which you know 159 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 4: in the past couple of weeks we've seen a couple guys. 160 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 4: We talked about Wyat's heller, we talked about David Njoku 161 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 4: saying goodbye. Clearly that is not the case with Joel Botonio. 162 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 4: If Joel wants to come back, there is a spot 163 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: on this roster for him. 164 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: Responding to David Nijoku, who's posts on social media about 165 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: saying goodbye. I thought it was interesting for maybe he 166 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: said if David is not back. David is already saying 167 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: he is not coming back, and I think everyone has 168 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: kind of understood that if he does not come back, 169 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: then he's going to be a Brown for life, and 170 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: one day we'll no doubt see him shirtless as the 171 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: dog pound captain smashing a guitar. I added the shirtless 172 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: part Amy didn't say that, but we all know there's 173 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: no way David Ajoku, if he is a dog pound captain, 174 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: will ever have a shirt on. 175 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Win correct. Ye I'd be upset if he had a 176 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: shirt on. 177 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And in December, of course, that's when it 178 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: would have to be, not in September or October's that's 179 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: too easy to go. 180 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: Shareless injury updates. Quin Jon Judkins is doing fine. He 181 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: is out of the boot, although he does wear it plenty. 182 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: If anyone has ever needed a boot, your doctor, at 183 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: least my doctor would always get mad at me. 184 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to take it off around the house. No, 185 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: you're not. Keep it on. 186 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: So sometimes he's in of it, in it rather sometimes 187 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: he's out of it. Quinchon Judkins is doing fine, and 188 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: he is well. He will be full speed ahead when 189 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: they have to get back to football. 190 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: That's good. 191 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: I don't need to see him till August. Yeah, the 192 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: last week in July, but he'll be ready all your time. 193 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: He'll be ready before that. 194 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: And I had a conversation with quin Shawn after the 195 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: regular season ended, and yeah, he was relieved, like he looked. 196 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: Thankfully he dodged a bullet there. Figuratively speaking, it could 197 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: have been a lot worse. We all saw it in 198 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: real time and went, oh my god, he's okay. 199 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: He is going to be okay. 200 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: Ethan Posik is coming back, and I thought this was 201 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: interesting coming back from achilles injury. We've all kind of 202 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: assumed all the entire role line, all those veteran pieces. 203 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: It's kind of time to say goodbye. If Joel does 204 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: decide to say goodbye, he'd. 205 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: Be kind of left the door open a little bit 206 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: yesterday to a Poe return. Remember, Luke Whippler is on 207 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: the roster obviously, and ab did say that he is 208 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: going to be okay. His knee injury not maybe as 209 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: serious as it did look coming off the field in 210 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: week eighteen. So that's good to go. Good news there 211 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: and kind of left the door open for Poe just 212 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: to be. 213 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: A little depth on that offensive line at a spot 214 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 4: that has seen a lot of transition in the last 215 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 4: four or five years. Meanwhile, Ethan Postig's been there, He's 216 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: battled through injuries, but we've seen Whippler have some snaps. 217 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: Nick Harris a few years ago. You know guys that 218 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: we drafted, and I think, you know, there's some hope 219 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: that Luke Whipler can take that position over. But if 220 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: you can get post sick on the cheat and you 221 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 4: know you have a serviceable center, either as a backup 222 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: or even with starting reps, if he beats out Whipler. 223 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a bad thing. No, it isn't. 224 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: And the narrative out there, both nationally and locally, is 225 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: at all everyone's gone from the offensive line. I look 226 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: for my money, I would love to Seeluke Whipler. This 227 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: is me speaking. Here's the brown starting sin. Yes, first 228 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: of all, it fits what you need to do financially. 229 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: He's in the final year of a rookie contract, was 230 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: certainly affordable, and he wasn't a Day one pick. But 231 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: he's a guy who's battled through injuries. He's a I 232 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: think a darn good player. I love the guy personally, 233 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: and I think he has earned that right. I'm happy 234 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: he got on the field in December last year and 235 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: got the chance to start with down. I think you 236 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: could very comfortably pencil him and as your starting center. 237 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: People focus on a Dewan coming back and Kat Leviston 238 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: and there's no one there to contract in Zack Zinners. 239 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: He finally going to get to play. I think Luke 240 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: Whippler can be that fixture in the minute. 241 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it'll help. With a guy like 242 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 4: George Warhaw yes here coaching on the offensive line and 243 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 4: really working with Whippler for an entire offseason, I think 244 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: that can only help the situation. 245 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: Did not get much update on free agents to be 246 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: Martin Emerson MJ's coming back from the Achilles injury which 247 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: happened during training camp. He's also back of the building 248 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: and moving around and rehabbing it on the men, but 249 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: he is set to be a free agent as well 250 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks. Didn't get a lot of 251 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: insight on him and the big question mark as well 252 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 3: as Devin Bush. Devin Bush had a heck of a season. 253 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: Could should have been a pro bowler. You could argue 254 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: he should have gotten all pro conversation if he was 255 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: that good. It was a career year for a former 256 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: first round pick, a guy that I would love to 257 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: see brought back. But if he does hit the market, 258 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: there is going to be a market for Devin Bush. 259 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 4: He's going to get paid, Yeah, And the question is 260 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: how much is he going to get paid? And can 261 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 4: we come to the table with that. I mean, the 262 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 4: amount of success he had in this defense, with the 263 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: scheme and then especially coaching with Jason Tarvor and the 264 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: job that Tarvor did with him, you know, is that 265 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: enough for that number to come down a little bit 266 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: and for him to come back. 267 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: We'll see. 268 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: I mean, this could be one of his final opportunities 269 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: at a big payday. So I don't blame him if 270 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: he were to go and get that opportunity. So, but 271 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 4: it's an attractive situation to be able to come back 272 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: here with these coaches and with this defensive fit. 273 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the defensive staff has pretty much stayed the same. Yeah, 274 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 3: those coaches are here in town, and new defense court 275 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: enter Min Grueberg is also here in town. As we 276 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: record this on a Wednesday, Todd Munkin is going to 277 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: do his press conference here at the Combine coming up shortly. 278 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: We'll have another episode. 279 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: After that to break down what our new head coach 280 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: said as well. And we're also in this episode we 281 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: want to introduce you to a guy that has been 282 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: of the building for a while but has worked his 283 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: way up and has a more prominent role now on 284 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: the personnel side. 285 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: Uh. 286 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: That is Adam L. Kayal, who is now the director 287 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: of player Personnel. I gotta get because there's a lot 288 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: of player pro the director of player panel. 289 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 4: It's a solid effort. 290 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: Thank you give and magically he is going to be 291 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 3: standing where I am right now. 292 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: So this is this is interesting. This is the Combine. 293 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: In the wild. 294 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: Over our shoulders is Glenn Cook and CBD if you're 295 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: watching the video version. But this guy is more important 296 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: than all of them combined. He is the director of 297 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: player Personnel for the Cleveland Browns. It is eleventh season now, 298 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: Adam L. Kayle, it's good to see you man. 299 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: How are you? Thank you good to be here? Okay, 300 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: are we eavesdropping on Glenn? What do you think is 301 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: going on over there? 302 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: A riveting conversation riveting conversation that important. Let's talk about 303 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: you new job this year. Congrats, thank you. All right, 304 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: you took over obviously last year into the new position 305 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: and your eleventh, eleventh season. 306 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: What was last year in that new role? 307 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: Like for you, it was really stepping into you know, 308 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: more responsibility with the personnel group, college and pro at 309 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: the same time. You know, I've worked on the college side, 310 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: I worked on the pro side, and this was an opportunity, 311 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: you know, to do both and really help us as 312 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: we kind of move forward in a really important offseason 313 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: where we have work to do acquiring some college guys 314 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: and some pro guys, you know, yeah, especially on the offensive. 315 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Side of the ball. 316 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: You your journey is a fascinating one. High school football, 317 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: played at Princeton, went to TV for a hot minute, 318 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: then got into the Browns building. 319 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Take it from there. Yeah, well, not. 320 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: Not TV TV, but I AVN TV. 321 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: Yeah I did. 322 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: I did have my name on the ESPN dot com 323 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: home page for about ten hours. You did you screen 324 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: grab it? I have a screen grab somewhere. It exists. 325 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: Make it, make it the background on the phone. Yeah, yeah. 326 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: And then I came to the Browns at fifteen. It 327 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: started off doing capin contracts. I was a college scout 328 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: on the West Coast for a period of time, came 329 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: back on the pro side, and now and director of 330 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: player personnel, so really excited about that. 331 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: Explain what this week here the Combine is like for you. 332 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: We're trying to cover a lot of ground here in 333 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: the combine. You know, we've got the guys here, we 334 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: got informal interviews. We've got formal interviews, you got the 335 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: on field workout, and then we've got. 336 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: A ton of meetings. 337 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: We've got meetings with player representatives, we have meetings with 338 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: other teams. It's a really it's a convention for the NFL. 339 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: And I think that's the one thing that the fans understand. 340 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: But really, until you get here, you don't see the 341 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: scope of it. Yes, all the college players are here, 342 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: and right now the defensive linemen are behind a curtain 343 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: over there, all meeting with the media. However, like you said, 344 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: every agent is here. Free agency begins in two weeks. 345 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: The new league year is about to turn over, so 346 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: all the contracts, the veterans, the guys who are about 347 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: to hit the street. 348 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: Yep, Like there's no tampering obviously, but none there. 349 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: There are people walking around with cups of coffee through 350 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: the skyways here and you just bump into each other, right, 351 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: so everybody is here, and it's not just the draft, 352 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: it's planning all of twenty twenty six. 353 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 354 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: I think the one thing that's really fascinating about the job, 355 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: and it adds a layer of complexity, is you have 356 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: these different windows in which you can do things, and 357 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: you're trying to sequence everything right, So you know, what 358 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: you do in free agency will help dictate what happens 359 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: in the draft and vice versa, but they don't happen 360 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: at the same time. So you really have to be 361 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: thoughtful and strategic about all right, what do we think 362 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: we can accomplish in March, what do we think we 363 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: can accomplish in late April? And beyond that with trades 364 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: and other you know, external options. The trade thing is 365 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: a part of it as well, as you said, a 366 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: big part of it. Andrew Berry was asked yesterday, Hey, 367 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: what would it take to move down from six? And 368 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: he joked, what are you given me? Yeah, some of 369 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: those conversations begin here, such as, hey, if you ever 370 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: thought of moving down, keep us in mind. 371 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: Those kinds of talks right absolutely. 372 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: I think the one thing that you always want to 373 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: be part of is the conversation. 374 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: So how does that happen? 375 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: You got to let people know if you're thinking about 376 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: doing X, Y or Z, you know, keep us informed 377 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: because we might be interested. The worst thing that could 378 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: happen is, you know, a trade is made, a player 379 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: has moved, somebody moves up or down, and it's something 380 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: you would have done, and you're not part of the conversation. 381 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: So a lot of that has to do with keeping 382 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: the lines of communication open and making sure you got 383 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: strong relationships around the league. 384 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: A lot from the player side has been always said 385 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: that the entire week here is an interview. 386 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: Like, for example, player acts from school. 387 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: Y gets on the plane and he probably doesn't even 388 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: realize it, but half the NFL is also on that 389 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: plane and they know who he is, but he. 390 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Doesn't know who they are. 391 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: And then eventually that player sits down in a meeting 392 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: with Andrew Berry, with Todd Monkin, with position coaches, and 393 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: that's a first impression. But in reality, it's not a 394 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: first impression because you guys have been on the road, 395 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: You've done your research, You've seen this player play in person. 396 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: It's an important impression, but it isn't always the most important, 397 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: is it. 398 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: It's not the most import and it's not the only one. 399 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: I think. 400 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: You make a great point like this is a pressurized 401 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: fish bowl for them, and it starts from the moment 402 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: they get off the plane. You got people you know 403 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: at the airport who are helping shuttle them here. You 404 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: got their group leaders, you got their informal interviews, you 405 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: got their formal interviews and everything that occurs here. You know, 406 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: there are eyes on you, and you get a little 407 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: bit of information out of all of those interactions with 408 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: the players. 409 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: What's it like when you know you need a position 410 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 3: and everyone knows you need a position. 411 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Then you get here, you look at the players. 412 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you can't have enough offensive lineman. You can 413 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: have enough good pass catchers. Everybody's looking for those position groups. 414 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: When you get here, it's great to see them all 415 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: in one place, on the same field, competing against each other. 416 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: You know, you get a good sense of you know, 417 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: it might look a little bit different if I'm on 418 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: you know, the field at Alabama or I'm out at Oklahoma. 419 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: What that looks like amongst their teammates versus all the 420 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: draft prospects in one place at one time. It's a 421 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: great opportunity. I'm sorry, is it more important than say, 422 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl? 423 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 3: Because like best on best is always important, especially the 424 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: practices and mobile. 425 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: Is that as significant as seeing a guy run around 426 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: in shorts? 427 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: Obviously athletic testing is important. But is testing more important 428 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: than game tape or practice tape. 429 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say that. I think it's all important 430 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: in its own way. I think the testing is a 431 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: big part of the equation that you don't have an 432 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: answer for. You know, the Senior Bowl is a good 433 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: opportunity to see guys on the field competing against each other, 434 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: but you also have a large body of work in 435 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: the game film, but you don't have the measurables, you 436 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: don't have the verified testing. And so that's what you 437 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: get out of the combine and the pro days. That 438 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: is adding to everything you've done in the fall. 439 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: And sometimes there's this conundrum. 440 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: This guy jumped out of the gym, but when I 441 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: turn the tape on, I don't see it. 442 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you make sense of that? You have 443 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: to reconcile that. That sends us back to the drawing 444 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: board sometimes. I mean, we have a good process in 445 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: place where when guys test really well, we make sure 446 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: that hey, did we have this guy in the right 447 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: spot at the outset? Do we need to go do 448 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: more work you know, do we need to get extra eyes, 449 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: We need to do an extra workout. You're always going 450 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: to be surprised in the spring. They're always surprised risers 451 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 2: and fallers, and when we see those, we make sure 452 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: we capture them. 453 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: Have you ever rooted for a player to run slowly? 454 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: Like the legendary story, you know, like Cooper cup right, 455 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: he ran slowly coming out of eastern Washington. You might 456 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: have been working the region at the time, and the. 457 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: Rams went like yes, yeah, because they didn't want anyone 458 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: to see him run fast or he would fall to them. 459 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: I want everybody to do well, but there are times 460 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: in which it is in our interest for them to 461 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: not do what we thought they might. And yeah's a 462 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: that's a great part of the process is trying to 463 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 2: piece the puzzle together, like where do we think he's 464 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: gonna go? Where do we think you know, he's in 465 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: range for us? And what is impacted by that? If 466 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: a guy runs fast, if a guy runs slow. How 467 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: do we think the market price changes on his draft stock. 468 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: So we're always working towards that and trying to figure out, 469 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: you know, how it matters. 470 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: What would you tell the fans at home to look 471 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: for when they watched the combine on TV? Like, what's 472 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: the most interesting thing for the fans sitting on the 473 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: counter for the fan experience? 474 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: Yes, certainly, I think the forties get a lot of 475 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: publicity too much. 476 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: It depends. 477 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 2: I think at certain position groups it's well warranted. Speed matters, 478 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: and it's tough to contain, you know, fast receivers, corners 479 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: got to be able to run at certain position groups. 480 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: It's probably overemphasized to a degree. But the on field 481 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: work and the drills, which is it can be tough 482 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: to follow at home, but when they're cutting back and forth, 483 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 2: you get a lot out of some of those, and 484 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: especially with some of the bigger skill guys. 485 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you one last thing was something Andrew 486 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: Barry was asked yesterday as well. I think it's something 487 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: all Browns fans are fascinated by. Last year's class was 488 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: great hit a Grand Slam. Everyone knows that. 489 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: What did we learn collectively from last year's process with 490 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: last year's great class to apply this. 491 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: Year to hopefully hit another one over the fence. 492 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: You know, I think it really goes back to the 493 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: standards with which we were fitting guys to who fit 494 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Okay, So we wanted to make sure 495 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: that we got players that were you know, hard working, tough, competitive, 496 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: and I think we nailed it from that front. And 497 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: getting the person right, I think flowed into getting guys 498 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: who are really productive really early in their careers, and 499 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: I think that was really helpful. 500 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: I lied one last thing that's the most important thing 501 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: that I think fans don't realize sometimes is that the 502 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 3: obviously you're dripping a football player, but you want to 503 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: make sure that this person fits in our building, fits 504 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: in our position, room, learns the way that our coaches 505 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: are going to teach. There's so many other things that 506 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 3: go into it other than oh, yeah they have really 507 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: good stats. 508 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: On the back of their football card, certainly, yeah, it's there. 509 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: It's everything. It's all of the above, right, It's how 510 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: productive are they, what are the testing immeasurables, what's the 511 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: film look like? But the person is a big part 512 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: of it, Like your ability to hit your ceiling and 513 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: maximize your talent. A lot of that comes down to 514 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: the makeup of the individual and how they fit in 515 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: our building, and how they fit in our scheme and 516 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: how they work with our coaching step so they can develop, you. 517 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Know, long term. 518 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: Adam, appreciate it. Congrats again a year belated on the 519 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: new role. Enjoy the rest of the combine and go 520 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: go get the shrimp cocktail on Go Brands. Yeah, there 521 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: you go that as well. You talk about you need 522 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: a wide receiver in the building. Adam did play wide 523 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: receiver at Princeton, so maybe maybe you can add to it. 524 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 4: Did he do some media? Did I hear that correctly? 525 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: He does some radio. He worked at ESPN for a 526 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 4: hot minute. Okay, yeah, was not in front of the camera, 527 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: but he was at ESPN, all right, right, can handle himself, Yes. 528 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely, like the guy, like the He's gotten the big promotion, 529 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: got the promotion last year when SAgs went to Tennessee 530 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: and now Adam is in that role. 531 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: Here, let's talk about the other news from around the league. 532 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: There's a Kirk Cousin thing you mentioned earlier. Not a 533 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: surprise when they redid that contract. A couple of weeks 534 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: ago it screamed, we are cutting you before the new 535 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: league year because we're not going to pay a sixty 536 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: seven million. So Kirk Cousins is going to be on 537 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: the street as a free agent quarterback for any team 538 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 2: that may or may not want. 539 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: All right, So here's my question to you about that, 540 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: just because I've seen a lot of things, but I 541 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 4: don't know, and you are the form mentioned expert when 542 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 4: it comes to some NFL things. That's right, I'm setting 543 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: you up. Maybe all right? Can he still come back 544 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 4: to Atlanta? Though? Can? Is this set up where he 545 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 4: could still come back to Atlanta maybe on a cheaper 546 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 4: deal or. 547 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 3: It's a great question, And the way I understand it 548 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: is it's it's likely not going to happen in there. 549 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: They're going to take that dead, They're going to take 550 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: the cap hit there, so they're not going to pay 551 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 3: him that money. 552 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: I don't think that could. It's a great question. 553 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: Is there a chance where if he sat out and 554 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: they could not sat at the season, but waited through 555 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 3: this window and then later. 556 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, right before training can yeah? 557 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. To be honest with you, I think 558 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: he loved to move on. The question is where do 559 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 3: you drop him? I think the most fascinating thing is 560 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 3: sent him back to Minnesota, ycause the Vikings will need 561 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: another quarterback. They've said it and kind of yeah yeah, 562 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: so yeah, there's that. There's also the Aaron Rodgers story. 563 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 3: Omar Khan said he did speak Omarcan's the Steelers. GM 564 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 3: spoke last week to Rogers. They're still waiting on Rogers answer, 565 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: and they would obviously, but sooner rather than later. I 566 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: can't see the Steelers going the entire summer and waiting 567 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 3: for Aaron to FaceTime audio them from Malibu. I don't 568 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 3: see that they have. 569 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 4: Will you run into them on a walk on the beach? 570 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: Will you could get some in two different beaches? 571 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 572 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: But right, yeah you can figure that out. Yeah, I 573 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: see where you're going. But no, ghibbe with a little 574 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 3: passive aggressive shot there. 575 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: It's okay. They have Will Howard on the roster. 576 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 3: They're picking twenty first, a tradition truly unlike any other. 577 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: The Steelers always picked twenty first. That was for you, 578 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: gay behind the camera. And do you take ty Simpson? 579 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Is Tys Simpson there at twenty one? Maybe? 580 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 3: Or do you roll with Will Howard. I think in 581 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: a perfect world they would like Aaron Rodgers back. But 582 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: Rogers also has to know that we need to plan 583 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: for the future as well. So do you have the conversation, dude, 584 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: come back. We're happy, but don't be upset if we 585 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 3: take a quarterback at twenty one right this, even like 586 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: you're thirty something, we're taking love you're going to. 587 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: Be forty three. 588 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just right now, what does that room look like? 589 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: There? Will Howard's Will Howard? Where's Rude Ason? Rudolph's there? 590 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: See the guy that just can't leave. If you so. 591 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: Badly want him to start again, I do. 592 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: In Cleveland, it'd be great. 593 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: So against Cleveland, there's that for the Steelers. 594 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 3: The Ravens have an interesting one here because the Ravens 595 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: have right now Lamar Jackson on the books for seventy 596 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: million this coming season. 597 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: That's not tenable. 598 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: Everyone knows they have to do a new deal before 599 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: the start of the new league year. Why before the 600 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: start of the new league year because when the new 601 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: league year begins on March eleventh, when free agency kicks in, 602 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: that number goes on your books. 603 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: So if you're the Ravens and you're going to do business, 604 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: you need to lower that number. And Steve Bashatti when 605 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: they fired John Harbaugh, made it very clear like we're 606 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 2: not going to wait all year, like we're not going 607 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: to wait until Midsummer. We need to get this done now. 608 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: And if they don't get it done now, well, Jesus 609 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: makes it a lot harder to say, resign Tyler Linderbaum, 610 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: who is at the top of his game at the 611 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: center position, he is going to hit free agency because 612 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: of a little weird nuance loophole. I don't even know 613 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 2: if loophole is the right word. In the way the 614 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 2: CBA is structured, so with franchise tags, all the old 615 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: linemen are in one bucket. So the Ravens can't just 616 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: throw a franchise tag they could on Tyler Lindebaum, because 617 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: if you do, you have to pay him what you 618 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: would pay a left tackle because he's an olignman. So 619 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: if the top of the market is like twenty twenty 620 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: one for a center, you're gonna have to pay him 621 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: thirty thirty one, like what Trent. 622 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: Williams would want. 623 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: And centers don't make that much money, so you can't 624 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: use the tag. The Ravens say that They have offered 625 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: Linderbaum what they call a market setting contract, but as 626 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: of now, he hasn't said yes. So there is a 627 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: chance that he hits the market, and if he does, 628 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: somebody is going to write him a massive check. 629 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost Lamar. Those negotiations are never easy 630 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 4: because Lamar represents. 631 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: Himself correct and sometimes answers the phone and sometimes does not. 632 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: Correct and that that is a process, to say the least. 633 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 4: So that's hovering there, But I don't know when you're 634 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 4: going to get a resolution on that. The Linderbaum one 635 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: is fascinating, you know. I mean, there is going to 636 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 4: be a big market. You don't think that maybe the 637 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 4: forty nine ers would like that, yes, yeah, or a contender, 638 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 4: like a guy that puts them over the top like him. 639 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: I just I don't Baltimore is in a tough spot. 640 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 4: I like that they're in a tough spot. But it's 641 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 4: going to be fascinating to see what happens with him 642 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: because he's one of the top five free agents. 643 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you could see a guy, let's say, like 644 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 3: Trent Williams at the Marco though a highly doubt that 645 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 3: The report late in the afternoon yesterday was that Trent 646 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: Williams would like a new contract. The Niners say they 647 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: are working towards that. I can't imagine a world where 648 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: they bid him goodbye, but I could imagine a. 649 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: World where Trent Williams is like, I'm good, I'm going 650 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: to go home. 651 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. The offensive lineman, the free 652 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 4: agent tackle out of Green Bay is one I think, yeah, 653 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 4: I think that bears a little watch, and there's a 654 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: few others. I mean, the Browns are going to have 655 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 4: to be active, probably in the free agent market if 656 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 4: they want to rebuild that offensive line. In addition to 657 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 4: the draft. 658 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: Andrew Berry was asked very comfortable with three rookies on 659 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: the offensive line, if that's what it's got to be, 660 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: and he said sure, like if that's what it's got 661 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: to be. But he also pointed out the Bears as 662 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 3: a model a team that has gone with both rookies 663 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: younger veterans on their team, and they went out and 664 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: they made a big move. 665 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: And got Joe Tooney as well. 666 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a future Hall of Famer that you drop 667 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: in when you know you're ready to win. I can't 668 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: see the Browns trading for a expensive future Hall of Famer. 669 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 2: No to drop into their offensive line, because that's not 670 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: in the stage. 671 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: In which we're sitting. 672 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 4: Correct a year from now very well could be, and 673 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 4: that's what would alluded to. 674 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: So coming up, we'll have another edition of the Best 675 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: Podcast Available. That's later this week in Indianapolis, maybe even 676 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: with Nathan Zegura sleeping on the table behind. 677 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: Us, Jordan getting some snacks. Who doesn't love snacks? That's 678 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: right for Jason Gibbs. I'm Andrew Cicili. I't see you 679 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: next time.