00:00:08
Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your own presences, presents, and I already had too much stuff. So how do you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wyneker. We're here at the beginning of the podcast, so you know, for the next hour or so, I hope you can just be quiet and control yourself and listen, maybe learn. Maybe you'll be enriched, maybe not, Maybe you'll be enraged. I don't know. I'm reading there's a lot of road rage on the roads these days. That's something to be aware of. I know my audience is you know, the sort of people that you know have a short fuse. So if you're out there driving, try to take some deep breaths while doing so. We don't need any more violence on the road. And let's get into the podcast. What am I talking about here? What am I doing? This is why I need to Just if I spent four seconds before the podcast to think about what I want to say, this would be so easy for all of us. But here we are let's talk to the guest. I'm thrilled about today's guest. Who wouldn't be It's Tony Hale. Tony, welcome to I said, no gifts.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. You're doing such a service for your listeners and putting them in the real, meditative space.

00:01:56
Speaker 2: It's the least I can do.

00:01:58
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's so kind of you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for recognizing that occasionally someone recognizes the work I'm putting in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good, you know.

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Speaker 2: And also a service for America's drivers.

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Speaker 3: Really is it? Really is? I mean, I just love that you acknowledge road rage and we've all experienced it and we need that voice just to say, hey, let's count to.

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Speaker 2: Ten, count to ten. How are you as a driver? Do you feel like you get angry or you fairly placid on the road.

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Speaker 3: But if I was just a douchebag and I was like, I never get angry on the road, and just I'm in such a serene space all the time. No, I do get mad. But I'm also very hypocritical because if somebody is in front of me and is on their phone and doesn't go at the light, I'm like, oh, but then I'm the guy that's on my I'm looking at something and I missed the light. So I'm always I'm very hypocritical about it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I feel like I'm the same way. I was trying to get to the bottom of why road rage works or why it happens to so many people recently, and is there some sort of do you think some sort of adrenaline happening because we're behind this giant weapon and so our brains are just kind of low level adrenaline and we're ready to snap at any moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's also kind of a free control or a free thing where you don't know the people. So maybe it's a way to act out and anger to people that you wouldn't normally act out. And every day so it's like people that are really calm, and when you get the car, it's like, this is my chance to like attack. But my daughter just got her driver's license.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, so I'm a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Uh that's I'm a little bit in anxiety space about that.

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Speaker 2: Have you had to do like her, like hours or whatever? How does getting a driver's license even work at this point? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, good question, because when I was a kid. I feel like I took a test and then I was I was so stoked about getting my license and having that freedom. And now thankfully you have to you have to go on these kind of three lessons with a driver, and you have to do a certain number of hours, and then you also, of course have to take the test. And but my my pitch to the world, just like you're giving meditation practices, my pitch is I don't think people should be able to drive until they're like eighteen. I think sixteen is still pretty young. So seen as a child, it's a child, and so so I'm a little bit nervous about it. But you know, there's a lot of lessons that I'm trying to learn of releasing control.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am still an absolute danger to everyone on the road. I've been driving for decades, well not well, I guess decades at this point. And still I'm not qualified to be behind this heavy of a piece of machinery.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for letting us know. No, I but my thing is, I was talking to my wife about this that to your point, I've had decades of experience, you've had decades secutives, So I've learned this kind of different set of eyes where I notice the defense of driving, and I noticed is something so like you just subconsciously are very aware of that. But you put a sixteen year old on the road, you know they don't have that exercise muscle yet. And so I think that's because it's all about defensive driving, it's not necessarily I mean, that's I think eighty percent of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely an offensive driver. I feel like I'm just probably making everyone furious. And I'm how is that?

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Speaker 3: How do you think that looks?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of you know, varying speeds, never quite knowing what speed I should be going, but spatially I never know where the car is in relation to my body, so I'm not quite sure if I'm in the lane. Ever, I just recently I think and maybe this is just a red flag for my mental satan general. I completely I can't believe I've been saying this. If my boyfriend listens to this, he's going to be so mad. Drove through a red light completely oblivious?

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's scary. Yeah. Do you like all the new bells and whilst of cars that kind of help you in terms of spatial awareness?

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Speaker 2: Do my car. Let's say I got my newest car, I believe in twenty eighteen. So it has like backing up sensors and all this sort of thing, which is very good. But need I need a sensor everywhere on the car. The front of the car is where I needed the most. I'll drive up against those little cinder blocks that they'll put in parking lots. I'm frequently in danger of running up against walls and cars in front of me.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting you say that because you know how people You meet people in life and they just stand a little too close to you and you're like, wow, man, like let's let's have some proximity issues. But I feel like I'm that way with my car, Like I'll be trailing a car and not but not not intentionally. I just have this I'm really close right and you know they're like, he's back, man, But I just I'm not aware of it. You know.

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Speaker 2: So you're you're a tailgater.

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Speaker 3: I'm a tailgater. I can't find it the scene in life, so I find it with my car.

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Speaker 2: See. See, that's the big difference between you and I is I am about nine cars behind every car in front of me, and that probably speaks to how I operate in the world. Everyone's just at a constant distance.

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Speaker 3: Even in your car. No one's going right, no.

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Speaker 2: One's getting close. And then you know, my boyfriend will be like, why can't you just pull up in the driveway, and I'll say I did, and then I'll get out of the car and they'll be like four feet in front of me. So I need to get the little sensor on the front of the car. Have you been in a car accident?

00:07:36
Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I have.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking sometimes they have those tennis balls you can hang from the ceiling. My grandpa would do this, Yeah, and they know you know exactly where to stop.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I think that's probably what I need, because I mean, obviously this is genetic. This is obviously at least going back to my grandfather being able to pull into the garage.

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Speaker 3: And I'm so glad we discovered this.

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Speaker 2: At last.

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Speaker 3: But I have been in a wreck. I was in a recon, I was in irec in high school, and then I had a lot of fender bidders and nothing. I mean, there's actually other things that are much worse, but like that feeling when metal crunches against metal and you just oh, it's everything rushes to your body and you're just like, why what did I just do? And you don't know what the next you know what the personality is going to be that's coming out of the other car when you have to talk to them. It's just it's a horrible place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was in a car accident in October of twenty twenty and for the first, I think for the first time in my life, I was rear ended and it was horrifying. And then the guy was so nice. It was just it was a very good Los Angeles interaction of both men just kind of apologizing to each other for something nice. Neither person's fault. I found out his middle name was Mallory, which I thought was an interesting middle name. Okay, such a sweet person. And then you know, just apology after apologology and then the insurance covered it. Should I have been more aggressive towards the insurance company, probably I probably could have gotten up free like trip to the physical therapist or something. And I didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well good for you. You didn't abuse it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't abuse it. I allowed them to abuse me.

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Speaker 4: And And was that just that made me think of like was Mallory growing pains was that the it might be it might Justine Bateman's was that her characters.

00:09:30
Speaker 2: He may have been named Mallory. That feels right to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:09:35
Speaker 2: Uh, And maybe this guy was given the middle name of Justine Bateman's character named after her. Yeah, you know, what's your middle name? Russell Russell? Is that a family name?

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Speaker 3: It is? It is? And I think I want to say the fact that I'm even confused by this and I'm fifty one years old, is I want to say I was. I don't know who I was named after, but I think it might be my mom's brother who was. We've never really had much of a connection with so and we don't even know if he's I don't know. It was a it was a complicated history. We don't know if he's alive right now. But he was. He had a lot of he had a lot of he gonna have a trouble passed and so I think that I think I was named after him.

00:10:24
Speaker 2: Was he lost at sea? What?

00:10:26
Speaker 3: No? I think he was in prison for akay and uh, but yeah, we just I don't know. We don't hear a lot about Russell.

00:10:36
Speaker 2: Well Russell. If you're out there listening to he is.

00:10:41
Speaker 3: I don't think he is.

00:10:41
Speaker 2: Don't count him out, Tony. We can change, We can find new podcasts.

00:10:46
Speaker 3: That is true.

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Speaker 2: That is true, regardless of being lost at sea or trapped in the prison system. Middle names are so interesting to me. I feel like people need to go more wild with middle names. I mean, I think Mallory is an excellent middle you know, because it's kind of the secret you get to keep. Yeah, and Mallory is such a great middle name.

00:11:06
Speaker 3: But what's your full name? Because you have such an interesting.

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Speaker 2: Bridger, Eric Winnecker and Eric Is.

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Speaker 3: They went basic in the middle, extremely.

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Speaker 2: Basic and also not, as far as I know, not a family name. I don't know where my parents plucked that out. I mean, it's very good for coffee orders and yeah, you knows. But Eric, it it sounds like a jock.

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Speaker 3: Well you look, I see you as a jock Bridger. I first of all, at first, I want to apologize, probably for this last two years, for you having Bridgerton on Netflix and you having to deal with that influx of comments.

00:11:46
Speaker 2: So Seanda sent you here.

00:11:48
Speaker 3: She did, she did to apologize, to apologize. My my niece's name is Adele and she said probably for the past five years. She's so tired of people saying, oh my gosh, do you I love Adeldo. She's like, come on, this is it's everything just turned once she got famous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a rough spot to be in. Bridgerton weirdly has not I think, for if nothing else, it's just really normalized my name, and it's people still struggle with Bridger. It's still I say, people come into any conversation ready to not understand what your name sounds like. So regardless of the situation, people are still like Badger, Richard, god Badger, Budger. They refused to despite the fact that bridget is a pretty common name. Bridger throws people for a loop.

00:12:36
Speaker 3: And what's the origin of that.

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Speaker 2: There was a mountain man named Jim Bridger who was kind of in the mountain west of the United States. I believe, and I could be wrong, and I've probably said it on this podcast before, but I believe he was like the first white person to discover the Great Salt Lake. And uh, also I believe he thought it was part of the Pacific Ocean, which is actually kind of embarrassing for everybody, just kind of a dumb discovery.

00:13:05
Speaker 3: So there's shame attached to your name.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of shame. I think that's where most of my shame springs from.

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Speaker 3: Well, my uncle's in prison and we've never met. He's alive, so Uncle Russ, so we're in the same book.

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Speaker 2: Uncle Russ is sort of your Jim Bridger. But yeah, and my real trouble continues to be my last name, which is almost impossible for anyone to pronounce it. There are people close in my life who still say Winnegar if Shonda is willing and Shanda, I know you're out there like a Winegarville.

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Speaker 3: What is She literally just sat right next to me and.

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Speaker 2: Just gotus to speak. Yeah, Shanda, I'm ready to pitch Winegerville winegar City, just to get the pronunciation out there, some sort of juicy soap Tony, we're just talking about the pronunciation of my name. Who cares? How are you doing?

00:14:01
Speaker 3: I care? I'm good, I'm good, I'm I have a weird rash on my own.

00:14:08
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea what's causing that?

00:14:10
Speaker 3: I don't Bridger serious rash. I it just kind of popped up and I'm at you know, every now and then I'm I used to have eggs, okay, I used to us to have as a kid, And I'm like, is it exema? Is it all allergic to? Is it like a fungal infection? I don't know, man, I don't know how long has it been there? It's been here a couple of days and then today it went to a dry place. Oh no, so maybe, but that's not as bad because at least it's not ivy and so I don't know if it's something I ate. So if we could, you can all bring seanan, if you bring a doctor on that we could.

00:14:48
Speaker 2: My dermatologist is in the which, by the way, I.

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Speaker 3: Love nowadays you can you can do this over zoom and you can just show them the rash.

00:14:57
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? Though? I feel like I think I need a dermatologist to get hands on with me.

00:15:03
Speaker 3: I hear that. I do hear that, because you definitely they can. They can really look at that mole or they can really get specific. Hear it? Right?

00:15:10
Speaker 2: So how long has this been on your arm?

00:15:12
Speaker 3: Four days? Thank you for asking.

00:15:14
Speaker 2: I'm going to diagnose it. This is a I.

00:15:17
Speaker 3: Don't know if you can see it? Do you see it?

00:15:19
Speaker 2: It is a little pink there and that's over zoom so and it's also.

00:15:24
Speaker 3: It's also on this arm right. Oh, I don't know if it's like a sweat thing because if I don't know if you've noticed, Bridget, but I've been working out a little bit and.

00:15:35
Speaker 2: I'm just going to get around to that.

00:15:36
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, and so I don't know if it's like a sweat thing, but you know it'll work itself out.

00:15:44
Speaker 2: Well, if it's on there for more than five days, I want you to see a doctor.

00:15:48
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

00:15:50
Speaker 2: I mean adult on set em once you kind of got away from it as a child that's got to be upset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I was that kid that I had it all in my had asthma and exzema. I was like I would be like subconsciously scratching my legs and all this kind of stuff, and it was just it was the worst. However, when I was in and now listen to this as I'm talking Bridger, I'm having a realization of something that I could activate in terms of my diet. Because when I was a kid, I or in my twenties, I started to take out as much dairy and kind of wheat products and my exima calmed down. Okay, And maybe lately I've gotten into some more wheat or dairy that I shouldn't, So.

00:16:34
Speaker 2: I mean, let's let's talk about it. What have you been eating?

00:16:39
Speaker 3: But if that was like a banana split now.

00:16:43
Speaker 2: In between two beautiful pieces of bread.

00:16:46
Speaker 3: Between two Holi breads, I don't know. I'm sure I did have a make flurry the other night, but I don't think that was the cause of it, even though that is full dairy, because I had it, I had the rash before I have the mcflurry. I do love mcflury. I don't know if if you've ever had it.

00:17:04
Speaker 2: I haven't had a mcflury since about two thousand and four. Oh, I don't know why.

00:17:09
Speaker 3: It's so delightful. It is so. I mean, I'm from Tallahassee, Florida, so I'm from the land of chain restaurants, and I really love a good chain restaurant dessert, and I love the mcflurry.

00:17:20
Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm from Utah, which is also very chain oriented and also very ice cream dairy treat oriented. But the mcflury, for me, I think I need more of a drinkable dairy treat like a milkshake.

00:17:35
Speaker 3: Oh, like an in and out shake.

00:17:37
Speaker 2: I'll do in in and out shake. I need. Yeah, I don't want to be spooning it into my mouth.

00:17:41
Speaker 3: Oh you just like it through the straw.

00:17:43
Speaker 2: Right almost. I need it as quickly and as easily as possible.

00:17:47
Speaker 3: So you don't like a frosty from Wendy's. It's I don't.

00:17:51
Speaker 2: Mind a frosty, but it's got to be the smallest one that they give you with the kid's mail, you know they have, like the one there's so.

00:18:00
Speaker 3: Different than me, and that's just not enough. It's not enough. Wow, good for you. Well you, I guess that you really don't like a blizzard. A blizzard is really too thick.

00:18:10
Speaker 2: A blizzard is uh, you know almost I'm almost choking. It feels like a danger to me physically. So yeah, blizzard. I appreciate the general concept, and I love the idea of, you know, putting some things into the ice cream and whipping it up. Some teenager doing that for me.

00:18:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, but ultimately turning it upside down.

00:18:34
Speaker 2: The turning it upside down is exciting. Yes, a little stressful.

00:18:39
Speaker 3: I thought you were about to say something negative about it and I was to take it upset, but it sounds like you went with exciting.

00:18:45
Speaker 2: What do you put in your what do you get in your mcflurry?

00:18:47
Speaker 3: Thank you for asking, Richard. I really like my from my well, from my mcflury, I like and Minem mcflury. And for dairy Queen, I like a heath Bar.

00:18:59
Speaker 2: Blizzard, Tony. What you're saying right now, I am absolutely not on board with. Both of those things are hard to begin with, and you get them in a cold ice cream they are you're gonna chip a tooth.

00:19:11
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you right, this is why you're so sent Bridger, because you just don't You don't indulge in what I indulge in. When it comes to desserts.

00:19:20
Speaker 2: You're giving yourself like a hike through an arctic situation with your mouth that I love it. What are you talking about?

00:19:30
Speaker 3: You say hike through a mount I say a party, a celebration on the tongue.

00:19:37
Speaker 2: I don't know. Do you like a milkshake? Do you ever drink a milkshake?

00:19:41
Speaker 3: I like you in and out. I like the chocolate and the vanilla mixed.

00:19:45
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, so you.

00:19:46
Speaker 3: Can go through whatever chain restaurant you like to, and I will find a dessert that I like. Cheesecake factory Killer.

00:19:56
Speaker 2: That's like cheesecake factory.

00:19:57
Speaker 3: It's a catalog of a menu. It's like it's like, it's like, what do I like cruise ships because it's just like a cheesecake factory on water. It's just constantly just one buffet, huge portion after the next.

00:20:09
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I can't do it. I needed everything to be as minimal as possible. I need like three choices.

00:20:17
Speaker 3: So I wish I wasn't that point. I wish I wasn't that viewpoint.

00:20:20
Speaker 2: Well, but it sounds like you're having a wonderful time that what you're describing to me is just a tornado, an absolute tornado of anxiety and decision making that I need somebody to have basically narrowed it down for me before I even get there.

00:20:34
Speaker 3: And I love that. I'm throwing out this huge smorgasport of everything I love. And then I'm like, can I don't know what these rashes are on my body?

00:20:43
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Well, I mean, speaking of things I don't like. Look, you agreed to be on this podcast a little while ago, and I was so happy. I was thinking, well, that's very nice. Of course, we love Tony Hale. It's going to be a fantastic time. How could anything possibly ever go wrong. There's no chance that he would come on with controversial dessert takes, uh, you know, any situation that would make me uncomfortable. And so I just thought, we'll have a good time. We'll record an hour two three of audio and release it and everyone will walk away unharmed. So I was a little surprised podcast is called. I said, no gifts. And earlier this morning, I was in your neighborhood and I thought, you know, I'll pass by your house on occasion, go through the trash on other occasions, And.

00:21:39
Speaker 3: Okay, are you my uncle Russell.

00:21:45
Speaker 2: Tony? It's me Russ.

00:21:48
Speaker 3: You're younger than me. How is this possible.

00:21:51
Speaker 2: I'm traveling through time? No, I was. I was outside your house and uh, you know, just kind of trying to mind my own business. And I rolled down the window and someone came out and handed me a bag, and I thought, oh, this is interesting. This isn't my normal trip past Tony's house. This is different. Something's different. There's something in the air.

00:22:11
Speaker 3: This is a Tuesday, this is the other day, Yes.

00:22:15
Speaker 2: And so I you know, I thought, well, Tony'll be on the podcast later today, maybe I can get some answers. Then, so I drove home in that streaming. I know, but life surprises us. It really does coincidence. You know, we never quite know what's happening. But you know, I drove back home in an absolute rage, screaming at you at other drivers. Got into the house, cooled down, had had a glass of water, went to lunch, chatted with some friends. They suggested, you know, confront Tony, which I was planning to do anyway. So is this a gift for me?

00:23:01
Speaker 3: That is a gift for you? Oh? Interesting, that is a gift for you. Have you opened it yet? I haven't.

00:23:06
Speaker 2: I have this bag here.

00:23:08
Speaker 3: Oh I'm excited.

00:23:09
Speaker 2: I'm happy to open it here on the podcast if that's what you'd.

00:23:12
Speaker 3: Like, I'd love to because I'd love to share it with you while you see it.

00:23:33
Speaker 2: Okay, And I will say, this is a nicely wrapped bag. It's like a little brown It's not a grocery bag. It's kind of a grocery adjacent, but it's obviously a gift bag.

00:23:43
Speaker 3: I'd say it's a little bit it's a trendy gift bag.

00:23:46
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like it's just a nice brown bag with some blue tissue which we'll pull out.

00:23:50
Speaker 3: There a blue tissue that I got at Target.

00:23:53
Speaker 2: I've recently been told I can't open the gift as close to the microphone as I've done in the past. Our audio engineer a freaked out.

00:24:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, however, I think you should have an ASMR episode of all your gift giving opening that all people might like that we should.

00:24:09
Speaker 2: We should do a mega mix where we just get the crinkles from one hundred episodes.

00:24:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're not going to get Target tissue paper from the others.

00:24:20
Speaker 2: Okay, let's I'm going to pull this out. We'll get some tissue. I'm not looking at the gift yet. I'm feeling I'm feeling we're unwrapping. I like to just get it completely out before I even see the gift. I get it, I get your surprise value.

00:24:37
Speaker 3: What.

00:24:37
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is what I've just opened. Is either a hat or a bowl. It's a bull Okay, it's like kind of a woven bowl. It's a rope ball, a rope bowl.

00:24:52
Speaker 3: I made that for you.

00:24:53
Speaker 2: That that can't possibly be true.

00:24:55
Speaker 3: No, I made that for you because they well the listeners can sit there as you see, they said your favorite color is green. Yes, so I painted that rope. And then if you look on the tag initial.

00:25:07
Speaker 2: You actually made this for me as my initials on it. Yes, this is such a professional looking product.

00:25:14
Speaker 3: I really enjoy making rope bowls. It's like adative practice for me.

00:25:19
Speaker 2: What I mean this is a listener first, I just want to tell you this looks like it was made by a machine, and not in a bad way.

00:25:27
Speaker 3: I'm a pretty emotionless person, so that makes sense.

00:25:31
Speaker 2: This looks like it was created by an AI program designed to kill at tracks. No, but it's like it's first of all, about a week ago I was asked what my favorite color was. No one was with no context. So this was made within a week. This looks to me like a product that would take me decades, and I'm not getting decades of work to do now.

00:25:58
Speaker 3: This is I really Okay, So I really love doing rope bulls. There's a lady named Shauna who gave me a rope bowl. Okay. Was shooting the show I do now called Mysterious Beneticts Society. I shot it last year in Vancouver during the pandemic, and this lady, same Shauna, gave me a rope bull and I started getting really fascinated with it. And so then I youtubed did and just spent a lot of time. And then making rope balls became like my pandemic kind of meditative practice, right, And I love giving them, and so I love to find out the color, and then I love to paint it. I'm not I don't, I'm not a painter, but I love to. I think I love painting, right, And then uh, and then you you there's a whole practice of making the bowl, almost like a little bit like pottery, molding the bowl. And then I bought a letter press for leather and just went to town and I love it.

00:26:50
Speaker 2: So, okay, I have a number of questions. First of all, so this is entirely self taught through YouTube? Is that right?

00:26:58
Speaker 3: And my friend Shawna cause she would I would, I would, she would send me a little videos of her making one, and then uh, and then so I would study that and then I would get on YouTube and I would just kind of learn the technique and I just really love it. I make purses to well. I made a purse from my daughter went to like a Christmas formal was it a Christmas form or something kind of? It was like a dance at her school, and so I made a little rope ball or not rope ball, but a rope purse, and then I engraved leather thing her initials and then the dance. It was really fun.

00:27:31
Speaker 2: This is incredible?

00:27:33
Speaker 3: Is it?

00:27:33
Speaker 2: Was it difficult to learn or did it just come naturally to you?

00:27:37
Speaker 3: It was difficult to learn, But once I got the knack of it, it it's just like I love it. It's taken over my dining room. My wife's not crazy about it.

00:27:48
Speaker 2: Market in there.

00:27:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like leather and leather embosser and paint and stuff. But and it's just really I put on these headphones that you're looking at right now, use and then just go to town.

00:28:01
Speaker 2: So how long does like did this bowl take you to make?

00:28:05
Speaker 3: That took about I'd say two. Well not, it's like one day you do the painting, you let that dry, and then you sow the rope and then you emboss You cut the leather, then you emboss it, and then you kind of let that and then you you kind of sometimes you have to stay in the leather. But I liked the natural letter against the greens, right. That was then I just kind of put a like a finish on that.

00:28:28
Speaker 2: And so you paint the rope when it's still unspooled.

00:28:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I set up my backyard. Now this is turning sad. Now now it's turn of like crazy person. So I take the rope, I click it on one side, and then I connect it to the chair, and then I just painted like strung out right, and my daughter is inside with her friend just like, oh God, don't go outside, don't go outside, Please, don't go outside and see what my dad's doing. And then yeah, so that's when I painted. And then that dries, and then when it's and then I get really exciting because when it dries, like typically the next day, I get to pull it off the thing and then I kind of spoil it a little bit, and then I bring it into the dining room into the workshop and then and that's where I sew it.

00:29:12
Speaker 2: And how long of a piece of rope did this take.

00:29:16
Speaker 3: I think that was probably like fifty fifty yards. And then if you see there's also on the other side, there's like a little logo do you see that.

00:29:23
Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to ask about this. It's like kind of a mysterious number combination.

00:29:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is based on a scriptured number six twenty four through twenty six, And it's a blessing of God. May the Lord bless you and keep you and pick us make us face out upon you. So it's a blessing to you that God wills.

00:29:40
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the bottom of an in and out cup.

00:29:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, but hopefully not as Yeah, I don't even know what that scripture is as.

00:29:51
Speaker 2: I'm not quite familiar with it either. Hopefully it's a good scripture. Well, this is so wonderful. So one hundred this is essentially one hundred and fifty feet of rope?

00:30:00
Speaker 3: Is I would know that's fifty fifty? Oh you're right, Sorry, No, you're right, fifty yards fifty fifty fifty feet.

00:30:07
Speaker 2: Of rope, fifty feet of rope. Yes, Because I was going to say just one hundred and fifty would be extreme.

00:30:13
Speaker 3: That would be extreme. Then you'd be like, Okay, now he's lying.

00:30:16
Speaker 2: I'm measuring your backyard in my head, I'm trying to figure out how much room you're working with.

00:30:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I have a square ruler and then I'll take rope that I get and then I'll wrap it and get fifty feet and then cut it and that that kind of makes about that size.

00:30:29
Speaker 2: Bawl.

00:30:30
Speaker 3: Now, if I want to do like a big rope kind of hamper, which I'm working on now, then I have to kind of get then I have to get a lot obviously a lot more rope. And my wife last night because she wanted to see if I could do a hamper, and so it was it's kind of a disaster and it's not working out. But she says, well, I don't think that's the size. I'm like, just let me please, I'm trying to I'm in a test ground.

00:30:53
Speaker 2: Please, So like, for a hamper, for example, are you using like a mold or you just I can't even as someone who, as I've said before, is so horrible spatially, I don't even understand how you begin to visualize how this should work.

00:31:08
Speaker 3: Well you, uh, okay, So if it's a hamper, you kind of think about what the base of a hamper you want it to be. So if you look at the bottom of that bowl, the area that's flat, that would be probably the base of the hamper, and then you would begin to turn it to where it would do that. So like that that small circle. When I started to turn it, I always gauge do I want it like a V bawl or do I want to kind of a straight up like the ball? And I wanted that to be a little more of a V. It kind of looks like a bucket hat.

00:31:34
Speaker 2: It could easily become a bucket.

00:31:35
Speaker 3: Be an easy buck bucket hat, you know, not the most attractive bucket hat, but it could be in that bucket.

00:31:39
Speaker 2: No bucket hat has ever been a trad.

00:31:43
Speaker 3: So then yeah, but the base kind of determines it.

00:31:46
Speaker 2: Okay, And so where are you in the process with the hamper?

00:31:50
Speaker 3: I wonder if I have well, I guess your listeners can't see it, but I have a picture of it. It's it's not great. It's not great. It's like because it's right now, I just keep going and it's not turning, so it's just like now I'm just getting this huge circle. However, I mean, this is however, what I learned. This is how you kind of learned things from mistakes. I started to make a hamper a year ago, and it was just a disaster. And then I was like, what am I going to do with this large circle of you know, sown rope, And that's when I formed that into like a purse. And so out of confusion came another thing that I can make.

00:32:26
Speaker 2: A hamper becomes a purse.

00:32:28
Speaker 3: And actually, even though your listeners can't see this movie, we could describe this. I'll show you a picture of what a purse looks like.

00:32:35
Speaker 2: I'm very curious about your purse making skills.

00:32:38
Speaker 3: So like, this is like a purse.

00:32:41
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great little clutch. It's a clutch kind of like a almost clamshell clutch, yes, and does not have to handle at the top.

00:32:50
Speaker 3: It has a leather hand that leather handle that you kind of that that you would I would, you know, by a monogram or something with like a magnet, right, But this is like a little another a little black.

00:33:01
Speaker 2: Oh that's so stylish.

00:33:03
Speaker 3: Clutch person, And I'll show you anyways. And then I don't know if I have a picture of the one I gave my daughter, but that was like a little version of that. So that came out of this confusion of what to do with this big circle thing that was supposed to be a hamper.

00:33:17
Speaker 2: I love that you're just constantly the real north star for you as a hamper, and you're just headed towards hampers.

00:33:23
Speaker 3: So I'm really curious what's going to come from this disaster hamper working on no something else?

00:33:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you outside of your wife's request for a hamper taking other requests or is it more of a oh I'll try that and give it to somebody sort of situation.

00:33:37
Speaker 3: I just love it. It's like it's also like if somebody there was this kind of thing, like this habitat for humanity thing and they're like an auction item, then I'll do a bowl for that and then so it's just fun. I never want to the whole idea of like for money, that's just that kind of takes the joy out of it because it's just not fun. So but it's really I love, love love giving them as gifts and all that kind of stuff.

00:34:00
Speaker 2: Have you had any bad reactions?

00:34:03
Speaker 3: Well, I've had I have. I remember I gave it to h I was working on this job and I and I gave it to another actor and then their friend just kept wearing an on their head and uh, and I was like, oh, it's a hat. It's hat, And I was like, all right, that's enough. It's not hat.

00:34:22
Speaker 2: That's that's rude behavior. That person's rude.

00:34:26
Speaker 3: No, but it was, But I get it does look like He'll show you one of my favorite we can describe this.

00:34:30
Speaker 2: Could you make a hat? You know what?

00:34:32
Speaker 3: I could? I guess I could. The rim, like the rim of the hat would be tough, right, And I think you have to find a real kind of that rope is pretty strong rope that you have, so it kind of keeps its shape, right, But I think you'd have like a paracord would probably be like a better hat because it's flexible. Yeah. Para cord is kind of you know those you know, as kids, we'd make those camp bracelets that kind of had the they were kind of woven and braided. Right, that's like a para cord, so it's a little it has a little more flex to it. So I think that could maybe be a hat. Where are you getting this rope? Is there like a rope depot or is it? I get Walmart has good rope a lot, and then I go on Amazon and order rope wow. And then when I uh, you know, I get really excited when I find out. Because I do like to paint the rope. I think that's fun. But if if somebody wants like a purse, that's a like there's this friend of mine whose daughter wanted a pink purse, and so I got a pink pair of pink para cord and make any pink purse for that.

00:35:36
Speaker 2: This is amazing. Have you ever been handy like this or is this? Wow?

00:35:40
Speaker 1: No?

00:35:40
Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all. And I have to be honest, I've always wanted a hobby because anytime somebody said, you know, oh my hobby is this or I collect this, and I was just like I never I just never could find it, you know, I just never And I always was like I was, and I always wanted to paint. I always wanted, you know, like Nick Offerman like a guy and it makes it and I was like, God, that's gonna be so And then I found this and I just it's like, I love it. I really love it.

00:36:06
Speaker 2: It's what were you doing with your time before that?

00:36:08
Speaker 3: A lot of YouTube, A lot of what I I would. It's funny I always go back to YouTube because I would I would go on YouTube and be watching like two hours of compilation videos of like the Voice What Avoid, But I never wanted to see people rejected. I only wanted to see the people winning winning, or there were chosen. They would always se these compilation videos of the blind auditions, you know, where you can't see them and they turn their chairs around, right, But I never wanted to see if anybody none of the chairs turned around. That was just too much to watch. But I just liked scene after scene after see after seen of just those turn those chairs turning and everybody getting excited. That was fun to watch.

00:36:51
Speaker 2: I have a hard time with rejection on reality shows as well, you know, like I remember a point. I mean I did have strep throat at the time, so I was already weak physically and emotionally, but Shark Tank made me cry because I was like, they are being too mean to this person. This person's just trying.

00:37:10
Speaker 3: You also have to admit, I mean, you're in there, you're in the business, and you know, like we're very kind of used to you know, pitching or putting yourself out there and just kind of and you kind of exercise that muscle and after a while you're just like, you know, another fail, another failure or rejection, and you get these people are putting their life savings and things and then they're just getting rejected in front of national you know, in front of a national audience. It's just like, oh, and even those kids would come on American Idol and they brutal had never seen the spotlight and they're talented, but not as talented as they need to be, and then they're just like rejected people. So it feels like it really does.

00:37:47
Speaker 2: I think it's it's unfair and as someone who can't even sing Happy Birthday, it really breaks my heart.

00:37:53
Speaker 3: Do you like reality shows?

00:37:55
Speaker 2: I do. I like I've recently gotten into the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, but largely because I'm from Salt Lake City, so that was just appealing.

00:38:04
Speaker 3: Were you raised Mormon?

00:38:05
Speaker 2: I was. My parents are still practicing Mormons, Okay, yeah, And then I was obviously just curious as to what these Salt Lake City housewives would be up to another.

00:38:15
Speaker 3: Is there a Mormon through through line or not?

00:38:18
Speaker 2: Really? One of them is like two maybe two of them are ex Mormons. That's about as close to Mormonism as the show gets.

00:38:25
Speaker 3: Do you go back to Do you go back to Salt Lake life.

00:38:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tried to get back a couple of times a year.

00:38:30
Speaker 3: It's so beautiful.

00:38:32
Speaker 2: Have you spent much time there just.

00:38:33
Speaker 3: For like visits and stuff like that, but not much?

00:38:38
Speaker 2: Right, the mountains are beautiful, It's there are a lot of beautiful things about Utah. There are some more difficult things for me personally, but of course, but I love a lot of people there, and I love those housewives.

00:38:51
Speaker 3: I mean, so are they as energetic and colorful and full of life as we'd say like the New York Housewives or the Beverly.

00:38:59
Speaker 2: Hills in a different way, in a lot of ways much lower rent. I mean, bless all of their hearts, but they're not quite like you know, these Beverly Hills housewives have so much money. A lot of them are truly super wealthy. Yeah, our Salt Lake City housewives. It's a little more all over the map. Sometimes it feels a little more scraping by to feel glamorous, sometimes like the party is like happening in a strip mall.

00:39:24
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but there is something to me very sad of watching the Beverly Hills with that much, that much resources and still so sad, and I mean greated obviously that's not the equation for happiness or any kind of fulfillment. But when you see the excess, and then you also see that added with the trauma, and when I say colorful, it's just that sense of like their life is so just full of just unbelievable trauma. That's to me sometimes untreated. Oh you know a lot of this, and then they're putting it on national scale. It's just like, come on, man, just do this. Put the money in a therapist, you know, get you to do that.

00:40:03
Speaker 2: Please spend a little. But yeah, a lot of these women are just off the leash, or maybe that's they're just unhinged. Some unhinged women, and being on reality TV is not probably not the solution, oh no.

00:40:22
Speaker 3: But there is that core, which I think is not to get on a bit of a soapbox, but I think there's something about everybody wants to be known. Everybody wants to be known, and then in our society people look at known as how many Instagram followers do I have, how much attention do I have? How many people looking at me and finding out about me? That's that's going to fill that void of being known. But the fact is you know if you're loved by people who you know, and that's all the known you need, and yet we still haven't. And me as a person you know, who's in the public eye or whatever that's I think it's I have more of awareness that because.

00:40:58
Speaker 2: It doesn't fill that voice. Absolutely not at all. No, I mean, if if anything, it only makes the problem feel bigger.

00:41:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, it puts a microscope on your trauma.

00:41:09
Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, I can't imagine what it would be like to be on a television show where I'm being kind of just encouraged to fight with six other women at all times.

00:41:21
Speaker 3: It's yeah, and then they just throw a liquor in the mix.

00:41:25
Speaker 2: It's a lot of drunk behavior.

00:41:28
Speaker 3: Off the leash, is a perfect way to say it, Just like completely let.

00:41:32
Speaker 2: Go all that said. I love them, we love them, we love whatever's happening. It's a strange combination of pro wrestling and daytime TV and soap operas and is an interesting world that I've I've getting a peek into finally, you know, I put it off for a long time, and I can't look away. I don't know if that's good or bad.

00:41:55
Speaker 3: I know, have you seen the other ones? And you have the same experience, or now.

00:41:59
Speaker 2: I want a little bit of the Orange County Housewives. Yeah, a little bit more boring. I was a little bored. And I've seen some Jersey which is very colorful. Uh, you know that's some true color happening there. And I think those are the three that I've kind of dipped my toe into. Do you watch much reality TV?

00:42:23
Speaker 3: I've seen those some of those, But I will say it does. I get to a place where it does make me angry, Like it's it's like, this isn't I mean, in general, it's probably not adding to our lives, but it's when I found my just getting pissed. You know, it's like I don't know that. So I stopped doing that. But reality, I like a comp I don't mind a competition. Reality such as such as I really enjoy I used to really enjoy Top Chef.

00:42:50
Speaker 2: Oh I feel like I would love Top Chef.

00:42:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoyed. Well, you don't eat that's gonna problem.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: I eat a lot of food just because I'm not throwing them a flurry down once a week.

00:43:02
Speaker 3: Okay, So I like those competition shows, and then I mean I really do.

00:43:11
Speaker 2: My guest judged on RuPaul's Drag Race, Oh fantastic about.

00:43:16
Speaker 3: Two or three years a Clia Duval and I did, and I loved it, and ever since then I got really we were I kept watching and really got hooked to it. I just I love I think it's so fun, such a fun watch and a feel good watch, a feel good watch, and you and you hear their stories and and also my wife is a is a makeup artist, and just the way that they the artistry on the face of how their face just I mean I've known makeup obviously changes faces and that's what. But like the contouring and all that kind of stuff. You just see this face completely change is and obviously lighting and stuff like that. But it's wild. It's wild. So I do enjoy that.

00:43:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine. I mean, it's kind of the rope we've of faces.

00:44:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. And it really is artistry. I mean it's like that's and I don't know, I really really really enjoyed it.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are some good reality shows. I watch a decent amount of Survivor.

00:44:15
Speaker 3: Now, would you do Survivor?

00:44:17
Speaker 2: I don't think I would. I think I would absolutely crumble Day one.

00:44:22
Speaker 3: I would have a hard time. I mean, if I'm this much about a rash, then then I think it's it would not be pretty.

00:44:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about the sun exposure. I think about that, like we get into day's seven and all we have to eat is like half a cup of rice. It's a lot for me and you. I mean, I would have to do one of the ones where they're near an ocean. I'm kind of on the record is I can't watch Survivor unless they have some sort of ocean water to bathe in. I can't look at people who are like bathing in a dirty pond.

00:44:52
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what about Amazing Race? Would you do Amazing Race?

00:44:55
Speaker 2: I think I would try Amazing Race. I would be bad at it. Yeah, I would probably do it for the free vacation aspect.

00:45:02
Speaker 3: It's a lot of stress though.

00:45:03
Speaker 2: The stress. I couldn't do it with my boyfriend. It would probably be an immediate fight. Oh yeah, I would need to do it with somebody that that I'm not in a relationship with, so we have to be kind of polite to each other.

00:45:15
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and they're filming it, they're filming your fights. I mean, it's pretty much it would be the Real Housewives of Amazing race for us me too.

00:45:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to give it a shot, but I do feel like it would be I would fall on my face immediately and it would be a huge embarrassment and then I'm Oliver CBS and people are making fun of me.

00:45:35
Speaker 3: But you would be known.

00:45:37
Speaker 2: You would be known, desperate clawing attempts to.

00:45:41
Speaker 3: Be known, that void would be filled at last.

00:45:47
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so thrilled about this bowl. I just can't even believe it. I mean, I still am mildly suspicious. I still don't one hundred percent believe that you made it. Because it's perfect, I understand. Well, that's very kind.

00:45:59
Speaker 3: This is an The reason why I do love it is because when you paint the rope and you sew it, you never know how it's going to come out with those the pattern right right, and so as you paint it, you know, you do kind of different sections, but then when you sew it, it always is a surprise how it comes out.

00:46:14
Speaker 2: That's incredible. I mean, is there any way to teach yourself, Like, is there someone in the world that's like they know where to paint the rope to get it in a certain place? On the bowl.

00:46:23
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well that's my next YouTube spiral, is there. That's what I'll be watching tonight because designs designs. I have found though, is there's not a lot of there's Like I'll follow some rope bowl people on Instagram, but but I don't. I haven't met a lot of the rope bowl community of I almost want there. I want there to be classes and a convention or something that I can tap into, but I have not found that.

00:46:50
Speaker 2: There has to be well and there's a convention for everything at this point.

00:46:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a direct message some rope bode over instance, just ask where they got the rope from, because I really liked their rope and they've given me some feedback.

00:47:05
Speaker 2: It seems like a community that's either probably very welcoming and warm or extremely snobby.

00:47:11
Speaker 3: I did get snobby, but I haven't gotten a lot of shared techniques.

00:47:17
Speaker 2: People are protective.

00:47:18
Speaker 3: They're protective of their techniques. I feel like so. But I do appreciate the YouTube tutorials that taught me the basics of a cross stitch and all that kind of stuff, but I haven't gotten any other techniques because I am hungry for some rope Bowl technique. So if any of your listeners know where to go, please tell me.

00:47:34
Speaker 2: Reach out to Tony, get in touch with Tony. I feel like there's got to be a class for you. This is amazing.

00:47:41
Speaker 3: I love it. I really do love it. Thank you well.

00:47:44
Speaker 2: I feel like it's time to play a game.

00:47:45
Speaker 3: Oh great, Yes?

00:47:47
Speaker 2: Do you want to play a game called gift Master or Gift or a curse Gift. I like gift Master. It sounds happier, it's very exciting. It's a thrill. I need a number between one and ten from you. I'm going to say, Okay, I have to do some light calculating. I have to get the game pieces. I love whatever you want.

00:48:06
Speaker 3: I love everything what's happening right now. I let everything about this.

00:48:09
Speaker 2: You better. You've got the MIT, you can recommend, you can promote, you can, you can talk to the listener in whatever way you want. I'll be right back. Please be respectful to the listener.

00:48:20
Speaker 3: Okay, great, Oh wow, Oh I just should just talk. I'm dead serious about if anybody has any feedback about a rope Bowl community that I could tap into, I really appreciate that information. I'm looking for classes. They could be community college classes. They could be a grandmother who lives in Michigan who's really good at it and just it is eager to teach. I don't need quilting, I don't need sewing, I don't need crochet. I need the specificities of rope bul making or anything else made with a rope. Oh sorry, I thought you want to just keep talking while you were doing something.

00:48:56
Speaker 2: That's why you did it perfectly. You had a desperate cry for help. You're begging the audience for some sort of recommendation, and I'm sure people are going to start reaching out and you're probably going to get more than you need.

00:49:08
Speaker 3: Love it.

00:49:08
Speaker 2: We love an abundance. We love when people just go too far, Tony, this is how gift master works. I'm going to name three potential gifts things you can give away, and then I'm going to name three famous people, celebrities from around the world. You're going to tell me which one you're going to give which gift? And why does that make sense?

00:49:27
Speaker 3: Yes? It does?

00:49:28
Speaker 2: Okay, Today you'll be giving away the following gifts.

00:49:31
Speaker 3: I love everything about this. Have you heard of the love languages I have?

00:49:36
Speaker 2: Of course? What's your love language?

00:49:37
Speaker 3: Well, there's five there's acts of service, gift giving, words, affection, and quality time, right, and typically how you give love is how you like to receive love. I'm a words person. I like to encourage, but I also really like gift giving. And so when somebody that means when somebody says, when somebody says words or encouragement to me, I really appreciate because that's how I give love. So gift giving is one of them.

00:50:00
Speaker 2: Well, you're doing a terrific job right now anyway, So we'll see how this all plays out for you, Tony. Okay, these are the gifts. Number one, this is it's a little less conventional. This is a dump truck absolutely overflowing with rich soil. So that's a full dump truck of soil that can anything can be grown in, you know, just this rich earth. Number two is Tweezers. If you need to it's three things, so for your records. Number one a dump truck absolutely overflowing with rich soil. So that's almost too much soil.

00:50:42
Speaker 3: Too much soil, but I do like a cheesecake factory.

00:50:45
Speaker 2: Continue Number two is Tweezers. So that's a set of tweezers. They could be beautiful Tweezers, that could be cheap tweezers, any type of Tweezers you want to give away. And er three is the ability to communicate with the dead more of a that's actually an excellent gift. I mean, I think anyone would put that on their Christmas wish list. That's something that we could all use.

00:51:14
Speaker 3: Don't agree, I don't want that gift.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: You continue difference of opinion. This is again we're back to the mcflurry and reject. Okay, Tony. These are the three people that will be receiving the gifts today. Number one Megan Markle. Okay, we all love Megan Markles. She's making moves, she's marrying princes, she's on TV, she's doing it all. Number two D Snyder of Twisted Sister. Oh we love d Snyder really great. Okay, we're not gonna take it. And number three is rapper Ludacris. Okay, excellent group of people. I'll say.

00:51:59
Speaker 3: Okay, my immediate thought was I would give the dump truck of soil to Megan Markle. Okay, because I feel like speaking of what we discussed about being known that I don't I think that equations. She's waking up even more to that's not the equation of being known about the amount of fame that she's received and having people in her life that you know, really do see her. But I say the soil because I'd like her to get into gardening, oh and use that as a meditative practice. But now I'm questioning. I think I'm going to give the ability to communicate with the dead form Megan Markle because I think she might enjoy talking to people who have been in life and then are now outside of the life, because it's always a wake up perspective of kind of the chaos that she's around. So it might bring perspective into her life.

00:52:56
Speaker 2: What a thoughtful gift.

00:52:58
Speaker 3: I would say, the ability committent dead with my Markle. Okay, let me think a minute, because I threw myself off because that was the last minute change, so I have to think a minute. Okay, I'm gonna say the Tweezers. I immediately think of d Snyder. That was an immediate thing because I'm a kid of the eighties, right, and there's a lot of hair and a lot of I mean a lot. There's a lot going on, and I bet there's something very simple about Tweezers when it comes to grooming, and I bet he's in a very simple place we might add to his collection, right, simplicity in his.

00:53:32
Speaker 2: Life and the shape of a Tweezer. I almost feel like you could make kind of a if you shot that correctly with the camera, you could make a really cool metal album with a set of Tweezers. I think they look kind of metal, not not the you know, musically metal. Yeah, there's something point underrated about Tweezers as a hard rock device.

00:53:55
Speaker 3: I can see that. And I think he also with that brings some inspiration into his life because he's probably wanting to be inspired to do different stuff. He's also a big ironically, I remember in New York he's a huge a voiceover artist. Really he did a lot of He did a lot of voiceover, a lot of animation, and so that doesn't relate to Tweezers.

00:54:20
Speaker 2: But but you're probably in the you know, the recording booth.

00:54:22
Speaker 3: You know, if he does animation, there might have been a talking Tweezer that I mean, who knows that that world is very broad, so it might you know, he can actually he can make a talking tweet. That's it. If Snyder a talking Tweezer, and that would be his next gig for animation.

00:54:39
Speaker 2: If he hasn't voiced an animated Tweezer. The time has never been better, It really hasn't.

00:54:45
Speaker 3: And then finally, I would give the dump truck of soil to Ludacris because I think someone like I think the music industry that is very fast, and I think kind of having that soil to get into gardening, to get into your to have a meditative space, I think that would actually be very kind of healing for the space of kind of music and the world that he's in. Yeah, it can get very loud and stuff.

00:55:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and you know, I feel like he's kind of used to the flash and the glamour. Maybe something a little bit more earthy, something you can just run his hands through the soil, maybe grow an orchard.

00:55:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's so as you you you book you and I know this this business can be very obviously false and like you're just it's all to your point of like just a lot of glitz. But like soil is like organic obviously, and it's miraculous and it's you know, you're just never I don't know, it's pure so I think that would be a constant force of source of healing for him.

00:55:46
Speaker 2: And what a headline for Ludacris to become a farmer, To be a farmer, that's right? Like, I mean a nice second chapter. Yeah, beautifully played, I mean so thoughtfully played. I you know, I know there are all three of them are listening, and thank you, d Ludicrous and Megan. Enjoy your gifts and welcome guys.

00:56:08
Speaker 3: I just want them so bad their heads just to come into my screen and be like I knew this was coming.

00:56:17
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the final segment of the podcast. It's called I said no emails people right into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. I can't express enough how many problems my listeners have. The amount of problems and issues that these people need a hand dealing with, it's indescribable. Would you help me answer a question?

00:56:40
Speaker 3: Yes, I would.

00:56:42
Speaker 2: Okay, let me get into the dock. Here, We've got to get into the dock. Okay, perfect, here we go, deer Bridger and guest. My mom's sixtieth birthday is approaching. As we are the type of family who asks people what they want for an occasion, then proceed to get them that thing for said occasion. I normally have no gifting conundrums. Well, now, for her sixtieth birthday, my mom has asked everyone in the family to pitch in and get her a quantum healing hypnosis session. If you're not familiar, I'm not. Let's say this is where you reportedly pay someone to hypnotize you to regress and discover everything in your past life or lives that is causing you ailments in your current life, and heal you of said ailments. Okay, As my mother has always until very recently appeared to be a perfectly rational person who is skeptical at best of all forms of medicine and healing, even modern Western medicine, and has never even so much as burned incense or smoke pot since the seventies, I can only assume this is a red flag. So please, I beg of your advice and wisdom. Do we spend our hard earned dollars to humor her newfound birthday whimsie? Do we go rogue, ignore the request entirely, and come up with our own gift ideas. Do we tell her that she's going to quantum healing hypnosis and sent her to a nice doctor and said, is there an option D Any feedback is appreciated, and that's sincerely, Jacqueline.

00:58:11
Speaker 3: Tony.

00:58:11
Speaker 2: This is there's a lot going on this situation. Have you heard of quantum healing hypnosis? Neither of I. This is new on my radar.

00:58:23
Speaker 3: No. And I And he was saying, or she was saying that.

00:58:26
Speaker 2: Jacqueline, right, Yes, Jacqueline.

00:58:28
Speaker 3: She was saying that it's a way that you communicate with the dead and then they heal you of your current ailments.

00:58:34
Speaker 2: You apparently communicate with yourself in past lives you progress into For example, you were King Louis at some point.

00:58:43
Speaker 3: I thinking the two games communicate with it.

00:58:45
Speaker 2: I mean, unfortunately, these are two very similar things. I don't know the coincidence here is maybe it's a sign. I mean, we can only say this is a sign from some sort of quantum hypnosis healer. But Jacqueline's mom, we don't know how. It seems like some sort of snake oilsman. Let's just say it has entered Jacqueline's mom's life.

00:59:07
Speaker 3: I would say, here's my pitch for Jacqueline. I would say, definitely do not deny her that gift. I would put a cap on it. I would say, we're getting you three or two sessions with this person, because the thing is, if they don't do it, they're denying themselves a lot of good stories. They're denying because just think, but the mom's going to come back and be like, just you know, I was you know, Princess Ariel in a past life or something like That's that's pretty fascinating. And I think her, I mean, I would guess her mom is in a space of like she's just investigating, but I would I would definitely, I would not send her to another doctor. That brings shame. Nobody needs shame in their closet. The other thing is giving another gift, No, because then you have disappointment. I would fully honor that request.

01:00:03
Speaker 2: She's just going to ask for it again.

01:00:05
Speaker 3: She's going to ask it for a great definitely again.

01:00:07
Speaker 2: Or and yeah, I mean, you deny it, you're driving her into the arms of this quantum healer. She's going to want it even more suddenly.

01:00:15
Speaker 3: I mean, good point.

01:00:16
Speaker 2: We only know where that's headed. She might end up married to a quantum healer.

01:00:19
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, that's right. But I mean, seriously, like that's a that's a real story. I would question what they're afraid of.

01:00:28
Speaker 2: Well, they're probably they think that Mom's going to get some dirt from the past life about them.

01:00:33
Speaker 3: Oh there you go.

01:00:34
Speaker 2: They're all afraid that she's going to turn.

01:00:37
Speaker 3: So it's really about you, Jacqueline.

01:00:39
Speaker 2: It's always about the gift gift, it's never about the recipient. That isn't good.

01:00:45
Speaker 3: That is a good thought though, like what asking yourself, like what are you afraid of if she does go to that? You know, like, what is the biggest fear of that?

01:00:54
Speaker 2: Maybe they're afraid she gets hooked, And there are worse things to get hooked on than going to someone who sounds like letting her nap in his office and then talking to her about his dreams and for all we know, we find out some great new things about Jacqueline Senor the thing the lives she's lived through. She's you know, she could have been an animal, she could have been a rock. There's no telling that's right.

01:01:24
Speaker 3: Now. Here's my thing. This is what I request is if you if she does on other quests, I want to hear about these sessions. I want to hear what this mom comes back with. So if there's a way to stay in correspondence with Jacqueline through your podcast. I'd like to hear the.

01:01:39
Speaker 2: Result, Jacqueline, give her the gift take notes. If you can be in the session, even better. I mean, it does seem like we're we're just playing into this quantum Healer's hands and we're enriching him. But you know, everybody's got to make a living.

01:01:58
Speaker 3: Everybody's going to make a living. And I want, I want to hear these past lives. I want, but it's not just that I want to hear what these past lives are telling her that she is healing from right.

01:02:08
Speaker 2: And then you know, this also opens up a future gift giving possibilities. If she ends up trapped in this man's clutches, they can get some they can put next year's gift. It is like to rescue this woman, mommy back from the quantum Healer. There's you know, down the road, there's so many options.

01:02:26
Speaker 3: There's so many options. And I'll sweeten the pod a little bit. If Jacqueline's mom does go to this session and she does come back, she will receive a rope bull Jacqueline.

01:02:38
Speaker 2: See, there's never been a better deal for your Jacqueline, if you don't send your mom to this, then there's definitely a problem with you and your poor mother. All she wanted was this ten to fifteen sessions with the Quantum Healer, and you're denying it.

01:02:52
Speaker 3: Now, that's a lot. I would break it down to like a five.

01:02:55
Speaker 2: I wonder how much a quantum session costs. It's probably at least one hundred dollars, I.

01:02:59
Speaker 3: Would say, I would say more. But if I do get Jacqueline's favorite color, then there are rope bulls in the deal. If we can hear back from what her mom.

01:03:07
Speaker 2: Said, Jacqueline, I hope you're listening. This is an incredible opportunity for the whole family. So we'll see what happens. This is going to end up being sort of some kind of true crime documentary in five years, Jacklin writes into the podcast, somebody gets killed Quantum healing a rope promise of a rope bowl.

01:03:28
Speaker 3: It's all too perfect, but that's true. Like the rope bull was unraveled and that was the murder weapon. Like who knows what's.

01:03:35
Speaker 2: To be strangled by a rope bowl?

01:03:37
Speaker 3: A painted rope bowl.

01:03:39
Speaker 2: By the way, Tony, we've answered the question perfectly.

01:03:42
Speaker 3: Oh, good, good, good. You're welcome, Jacqueline.

01:03:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacqueline, thank you for writing in, But you're welcome more so than thank you. That's all I'm going to say. And your mother is welcome as well. Hopefully she can write in with a thank you. Yes, Tony, I'm so thrilled with this gift. I can't believe what a thoughtful, lovely gift I've received from here now. And I have to wonder what I'm going to place in it.

01:04:07
Speaker 3: Oh, I will say, I should put a little note there. It's not for food. Well, I was going to it's not for fruit.

01:04:14
Speaker 2: I was going to have serious, it's not.

01:04:15
Speaker 3: For fruit or potatoes, because there is. It's acrylic paint, so I don't want you to get a paint on anything. But it might be a nice decorative bowl, or you could put like pens in it or whatever you like.

01:04:25
Speaker 2: Right, I'll keep raw poultry away any sort of food.

01:04:32
Speaker 3: I don't definitely raw chicken.

01:04:35
Speaker 2: Would fill this with mcflurry that doesn't.

01:04:39
Speaker 3: Now now you're talking, it's a.

01:04:41
Speaker 2: Giant bowl of cottage cheese in front.

01:04:43
Speaker 1: Of the TV.

01:04:45
Speaker 3: That's so good.

01:04:46
Speaker 2: Oh my, I've just had a fantastic time with.

01:04:51
Speaker 3: You me too, Thanks for having me, Thank you.

01:04:54
Speaker 2: For being here and listener. This is the end of the podcast. You know. Now it's your turn to do what you want with the day. I appreciate how respectful you were this entire time.

01:05:08
Speaker 3: You know.

01:05:08
Speaker 2: Of course, come see the ball on Instagram. You have to see the bowl. It's a beautiful gift. And now move on with your day. I want you to do something productive. Try to be mildly productive today because I'm probably not going to be. Somebody's got to be producing in the world. And now carry on. I love you, goodbye. I said no Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson and it's beautifully mixed by John Bradley. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said no Gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? Now? Make sure to listen, follow, and most important, they leave heartfelt review on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget. You can listen to new episodes one week early on Amazon Music, or early and ad free by subscribing to Wondery Plus in the Wondery app.

01:06:18
Speaker 3: And I invite, did you hear?

01:06:23
Speaker 1: Thouna made myself perfectly clear? But you're a guest to my home. You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guest. Your presences presence enough, and I already had too much stuff. So how do you dance to survey me