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Speaker 1: Great move to the right at the fifty, comes back

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Speaker 1: and make a flight hit one hit. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: he got crushed. You've gotta be Kidney, come off the

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Speaker 1: ball with malice. Here's Paul Calvc. Well, there's only two ways,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest to describe the start of the Cardinals season,

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Speaker 1: and it's one descriptive phrase or the other. And who

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Speaker 1: better to ask than Darren Urban and Kyle under guard

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Speaker 1: Asy Cardinals dot Com Cardinals Underground, I mean, Paul Podcast

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Speaker 1: just the mere question or the interviewer in this case, Darren,

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Speaker 1: Lingo and burbage to describe the Cardinals two and L

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Speaker 1: gonna go with extra right now, Paul, because we are

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Speaker 1: only two games in. As Jordan Phillips said this week,

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Speaker 1: granted it was about the defense, but I'm going overall,

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Speaker 1: don't crown us yet and a paraphrasing, so, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: with all due respect to Denny Green, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: kind of good we got it out of the way, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: When is it gonna get referenced? And now boom we

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Speaker 1: can move on from here. And I think that's like

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Speaker 1: three straight weeks we've we've said crowning at some point

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Speaker 1: don't know what to make of this. If this qualifies

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Speaker 1: But and I'll flash this through the screen and I'll

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Speaker 1: describe it as well, the football Power Index after two

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Speaker 1: Live and they calculated the playoff percentage odds of the

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Speaker 1: No other division can claim that. So, as a result,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals football Power Index playoff percentage odds after two games, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: see that right there. What's interesting is I tweeted that

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Speaker 1: old record. Kyle, Yeah, I think I agree with them.

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Speaker 1: I think the gap is too big there. I do

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Speaker 1: just rhetorical gentlemanly, come on now, all right? I will

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Speaker 1: you be asking you questions? Paul? I feel bad now

430
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Speaker 1: taking me eleven solid minutes to get back in and

431
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Speaker 1: answer my own question. I opposed to you guys redefining

432
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: talking heads here on Cardinals underground. But if you're asking me,

433
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Speaker 1: where is this going? With each improvement of this offense,

434
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: they're forcing defenses to defend more and more the gridiron.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Christian Kirk. Albeit we've only had a little

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Christian Kirk, but you saw it.

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Speaker 1: You saw it there on the forty nine yard chunk throw.

438
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: You saw the fifty four yard or to Andy Isabella

439
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: where he actually had to slow down a little bit

440
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 1: to catch it or else he gone. And so you

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00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: see that. And as they stretch the field, whether it's

442
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Speaker 1: deep with the burners like Andy Isabella, all of a

443
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: sudden developing all the way into the backfield where you

444
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Speaker 1: gotta worry about what Tyler is going to do. And

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00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: that's earlier analogy and what guys said a year ago,

446
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals defensive meeting rooms that Cliff Kingsbury is

447
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: trying to go all Golden State Warriors of the NFL,

448
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: and he's gonna make you defend every single inch of hardwood.

449
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: As we continue to talk more NBA than NFL somehow,

450
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Speaker 1: and this Cardinals on the ground, and I think the

451
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: Warriors analogy is good because they do so many horizontal

452
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Speaker 1: passes and you know, you can call those the layups

453
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Speaker 1: of the NFL, where you know, you just throw the

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Speaker 1: ball to DeAndre Hopkins and you get your five or

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Speaker 1: six yards and know it's an easy pass or Fits

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Speaker 1: or Kirk or whoever. And then they do a lot

457
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Speaker 1: of the quote unquote three point shots where if you're

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Speaker 1: going to give us this over the top, that's an

459
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Speaker 1: efficient play because if it hits, you get that big chunk.

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Speaker 1: And I think they just have to figure out the

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Speaker 1: kind of in between two is the intermediate game, which

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Speaker 1: I don't think they've completely clicked on yet. They they're

463
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Speaker 1: doing pretty good job short, they're doing a pretty good

464
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Speaker 1: job long when it's there. But I think the consistent,

465
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Speaker 1: you know, ten to twenty yard ranges is where it

466
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Speaker 1: hasn't quite been ironed out yet. And if and when

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Speaker 1: they get that going, it's gonna be really a nightmare

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Speaker 1: for defensive coordinators because then you have to worry about

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Speaker 1: the complete scope of the passing game plus Kyler's legs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Darren, you didn't go with your Dominique Wilkins reference.

471
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Speaker 1: I'm shocked. There's so many, so many entry points here

472
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Speaker 1: to jump in with the NBA man even Kyle went

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Speaker 1: with Scottie Pippen earlier. That's a good point. Yeah, I

474
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Speaker 1: had mentioned Kyler Murray the new Human Highlight Reel Human

475
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Speaker 1: Highlight Film with the old Dominique Wilkins nickname. It's it's

476
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: funny because you think of some of those intermediate throws

477
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Speaker 1: and I don't know how intermedia was. I'd have to

478
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Speaker 1: go back and look at the tape, but like, there

479
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Speaker 1: was that pass that Kyler Murray just missed Chase Edmonds

480
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Speaker 1: on in the end zone where he probably shouldn't have

481
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: missed it, but he was starting to run and it

482
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Speaker 1: absolutely would have ended up speaking highlight rails on the

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Speaker 1: Highlight Rael because he ended up wrong footing it and

484
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: having it having I think his left foot was down

485
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Speaker 1: when he threw it. It was just I know in

486
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Speaker 1: the moment when I'm watching him, like if that would

487
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Speaker 1: have happened, that would have I think that would have

488
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: caught the attention kind of like you know some of

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Speaker 1: those Patrick Mahomes sideway throws would have been because of

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Speaker 1: the way he let it go. And I think that's

491
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Speaker 1: ultimately why he missed chases, because I think he was

492
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Speaker 1: gonna run saw Edmonds at the last second and then

493
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: was throwing it without setting himself and just put too

494
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Speaker 1: much on it. But the ability to hit some of

495
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Speaker 1: those will be a big deal. The interception he through

496
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Speaker 1: that that was an intermediate pass that DeAndre Hopkins took

497
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Speaker 1: the blame for, saying that he ran the wrong route.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest when I watch it, maybe he ran

499
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Speaker 1: the wrong route, but I don't know why Kylie would

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Speaker 1: have thrown it with all those Washington defenders right there

501
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Speaker 1: in the area. Even if he didn't see Landon Collins,

502
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: there was a couple other guys. I'm like, what are you?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing there? And those are the little

504
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Speaker 1: things that like, I I agree, Paul, you got to

505
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Speaker 1: get that stuff to the right place. But again it

506
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were saying. They're not doing

507
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Speaker 1: a lot of things right, and yet they're putting up numbers.

508
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: And I'm going to disagree with Kyle. I don't think

509
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Speaker 1: it's just having the number of plays because the number

510
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: of plays, you only get a bunch into plays is

511
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Speaker 1: if you're gaining yard. So they're gaining yard somewhere, they're

512
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Speaker 1: not finishing necessarily, and they are getting more possessions. But

513
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Speaker 1: it tells you what they are able to gain some

514
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Speaker 1: yards at times, and their defense is getting them the

515
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Speaker 1: ball back. I think that all plays into it. And then,

516
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Speaker 1: of course the penalties are an issue. We know that

517
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Speaker 1: they have twenty in two games, right, And honestly, if

518
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Speaker 1: you watched the Money Night games, Saints had ten or eleven,

519
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: Raiders had three, you could argue that was the difference

520
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: in the game. Some really poor time penalties by New

521
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Speaker 1: Orleans there. But getting back to the Cardinals in that interception,

522
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Speaker 1: Dehats explanation was if we would have ran the correct route,

523
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Speaker 1: the safety wouldn't have been there. Not sure, I totally

524
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Speaker 1: follow that. That's probably above my football IQ because I

525
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Speaker 1: watch it, I don't see what the difference is there.

526
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Speaker 1: But if that is indeed accurate, I feel a lot

527
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Speaker 1: better about that than Kyler with some random inaccuracy, because

528
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Speaker 1: I have no qualms or concerns about Kyler being an

529
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Speaker 1: accurate quarterback. I truly think that's a byproduct of early

530
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Speaker 1: in the season, once he dials in, because what he's missed,

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Speaker 1: he has recognized, he's made the right read, he's found

532
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Speaker 1: the right receiver. He's missed him a couple of times, Yes,

533
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't give me much concerned because I don't

534
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Speaker 1: in any way see Kyler is having accuracy issues. That

535
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: actually makes me more bullish because he is making the

536
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: right reads and deciphering what the defense is thrown at him.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a pretty accurate throw, Like if

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Speaker 1: the safety wasn't there, I'd have to go back and look,

539
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: but I think Isabella probably catches that ball. I thought

540
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Speaker 1: it was pretty much online and I'd have to go

541
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Speaker 1: and see how the play developed. But it makes sense

542
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: to where if DeAndre Hopkins doesn't run an inbreaking route,

543
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Speaker 1: if he's doing something verticol or out, that safety is

544
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: going to shade toward him and they're not worried as

545
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: much about the crossing route. Whether Kyler Murray had that

546
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Speaker 1: in his head or not, I don't know, but I

547
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: understand that explanation because if the safety is more worried

548
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: about Hopkins, which obviously makes sense, then I think that

549
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: that play might have worked. When it comes to the

550
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: other weapons, do you think the Cardinals have been remiss

551
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: and not involving them more? Meaning are they culpable for that?

552
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: Is that a criticism? Is that going to be a

553
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: natural evolution of this Darren because I think if you

554
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: could look at this offense, I'm wondering if defensive coordinators,

555
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: as we put ourselves into the heads of guys scheming

556
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals defense, all right, we got to worry

557
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: about Kyler and we have to worry about de Hot

558
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: and we'll take our chances with everyone else. I think

559
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: maybe that's the approach right now to the Cardinals, and

560
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't think if they proved yet they can truly

561
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Speaker 1: make that sort of defense pay. I don't know where

562
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: this goes exactly. I mean, you've got to be thrilled

563
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: with what DeAndre Hopkins is giving you early on in

564
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Speaker 1: the season in terms of production, and when he gets

565
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Speaker 1: his hands on the ball, A couple of his yards

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Speaker 1: after the catch plays have been pretty impressive. You know

567
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Speaker 1: where all this goes? Like the Andy Isabella play was

568
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Speaker 1: a great example to me. I mean, you mentioned he

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Speaker 1: had to hold up. He did have to hold up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would be good if if

571
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Speaker 1: you felt like Kyler Murray could get some more reps

572
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Speaker 1: down the field with Andy Isabella. Because it's getting to

573
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Speaker 1: the point, because I feel like this happened at least

574
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Speaker 1: once last year too in the limited times Isabella has

575
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: been targeted that you know, you just need to wing

576
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: it earlier and throw it as hard as you can

577
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: because the dude's gonna be able to run under it.

578
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: That absolutely should have been a touchdown if Kyler Murray

579
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Speaker 1: can throw it longer. And this isn't a rip on Kyler.

580
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful throw, but Andy Isabella did have

581
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Speaker 1: to slow down and it just shows you what it's

582
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of like Tyree Hill running under that key critical

583
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: pass by Patrick Mahomes. Were Mahomes broke the pocket wind

584
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Speaker 1: it on the run and I mean the throw was amazing,

585
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: but the amount of ground at Tyreek Hill made up

586
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: to make the catch. And Andy Isabella is close to

587
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: me and that sort of burner, I agree with that,

588
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: and I think you can you can use that somewhere

589
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: down the road when they have more comfort with each other.

590
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: The bottom line is Kyler Murray does not have that

591
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: chemistry with Andy Isabella because there hasn't been time enough

592
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: for it to develop. But it gets you, It gets

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00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: you a real idea. If you have Andy Isabella on

594
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: the slide and he's so quick in short spaces, which

595
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I've seen in practice that if you can get that

596
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: game going, then, I mean we talk about nightmares for

597
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: a defense, the ability for him to scare a team

598
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: that you could be quick horizontally on whoever's covering you,

599
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: and then maybe one time you take one step out

600
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: and then just take off, which is essentially what happened

601
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: on that play. And now you've gone from worried about

602
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: how fast he can get across horizontally and now you're

603
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: behind him vertically. That is something that I think is

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Speaker 1: exactly why they wanted Andy Isabella in the first place.

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Speaker 1: And the question is can you fold that into what

606
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: you're already doing. Can you get Christian Kirk the ball

607
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more? Dan Arnold hasn't gotten a ton

608
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Speaker 1: of catches, He's gotten a few or and even Kenyan

609
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: Drake he ran the ball out late with a big lead,

610
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: but it felt a little disjointed with how they used

611
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Speaker 1: Drake early in the Washington game, at least how I

612
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: saw it. Look, the worst thing you can say about

613
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Speaker 1: an offense is if they're predictable, that's exactly what a

614
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Speaker 1: defense wants. And there's two games where the tendencies out there, Kyle,

615
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Speaker 1: I put it to you, are the Cardinals too top heavy,

616
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: d Hop and Kyler Murray top heavy in this offense,

617
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Speaker 1: not at all. De Hop's a fantastic player and he's

618
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna get his numbers. But I think this skill player

619
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Speaker 1: group is the most talented the Cardinals have had since

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Speaker 1: twenty and fifteen. I think you look at the depth

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Speaker 1: of Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk and the speed of

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Speaker 1: Andy Isabella, who's a better speed guy, and JJ Nelson

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Speaker 1: was I just think they're a lot more well rounded.

624
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Their running game is better. I think DeAndre Hopkins is

625
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: going to have a great year, but if if teams

626
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: are intent on stopping him, I don't have any question

627
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: that Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk and the running game

628
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: can pick up the slack you think. You think this

629
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Speaker 1: running game is better already than the twenty fifteen running game,

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean that that running game wasn't great.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good that. I think their

632
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: vertical passing game was awesome that year, but they haven't

633
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: had a great running game for a long time, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think this one is great. I think the

635
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: skill players are the best since twenty fifteen. How was

636
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: the fourth and one from your own twenty seven up

637
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: twenty to nothing. How was that game in twenty fifteen.

638
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, Darren, because the whole no risk

639
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: git you know, no biscuit has been redefined in a

640
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: different way here under Cliff Kingsbury. Can I get a

641
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: comment on the whole risk reward cost benefit ratio? Here's

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00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: here's why I had a I wanted to talk to

643
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Speaker 1: the radio moment when you you guys were having this

644
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Speaker 1: discussion on ninety eight seven Arizona Sports Station, You and

645
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Speaker 1: Wolf in particular, because at one point somebody said, don't

646
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: know if it was you don't know it was a wolf.

647
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: If it was bad, I'm blaming an undug. Somebody said

648
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: the Washington wasn't going to win that game, so why

649
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: would you take that risk? And I'm thinking, well, if

650
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: they're not gonna win that game, they're not coming back.

651
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: So if they're not coming back, what does it matter

652
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: if you take that risk or not? No, you know what,

653
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: that wasn't me because I'm all in favor of putting

654
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: that on film. If you're pretty darn sure the Washington's

655
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: not winning that game, and you know what, let it

656
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: fly and put it out there for everyone to think about.

657
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm a huge, huge believer believing, and I could be

658
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: old schooling many of my thoughts. And I do think

659
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: that Kyle goes way too far the other like I

660
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: believe in a certain amount of moment let's say put that.

661
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: But I will say that I'm a big believer in

662
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: if you only need one yard and you think you're

663
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: a good team, you should be able to get that

664
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: one yard. I don't care how you do it. I

665
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm doing an end around necessarily. The

666
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: funny thing is that you watch If you watch the

667
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: play again, I'm almost wondering if they would have gotten

668
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: a bigger game had strugl or faked the pitch to

669
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: Kirk and kept it and gone around right end. I'd

670
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: have to look at it again. But I even though

671
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: the defense kind of moved that way, I felt like

672
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I felt like he could he was closer to the

673
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: edge and could have gotten the edge quicker than it

674
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: took the Washington defense to shift and get Kirk, who

675
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: was further behind the line of scrimmage. But it's a

676
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: moot point. I like being able to go for it.

677
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I like the idea that our defense is playing really well,

678
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: and if we don't get it, they're only gonna get

679
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: three points anyway, So let's do this. I like that idea.

680
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's going for it, and then there's the

681
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: play call itself. As you mentioned, there's a slower developing play,

682
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: a play that's giving ground before it goes forward for

683
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: positive yard age. You know, there are different play calls

684
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: in that situation. Not only was it a gutsy call

685
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: in terms of going for it, it was a gutsy

686
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: play call off the laminated play sheet, Kyle. Yeah, but

687
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: it was a triple option play, so it could have

688
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: been fast developing if they handed it off. I loved

689
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: it the fact that you have three different options on

690
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: this fourth and one where if the middle was open,

691
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: all he does is handed to Kenyan Draker whoever that was,

692
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: or like Darren said, he could have taken it himself,

693
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: and it lined up to where they thought the pitch

694
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: to the end around was the best choice. But I

695
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: can't believe we're just not celebrating a fantastic play call

696
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: on a fourth and one. And I mean, I understand

697
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: your logic at your own twenty seven up twenty I

698
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: completely understand why you wouldn't want to do that. And

699
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Speaker 1: I don't have the analytical percentages in front of me,

700
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: but I think this was very much about the numbers,

701
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: more so than if you didn't think, you wouldn't do

702
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: that because you thought you were going to win the game.

703
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Coaches don't think like that in the third quarter. He

704
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: did it purely as you know, a percentage play slash,

705
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: enjoying the schematical look at what it was. But I

706
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: just feel like they've crunched these numbers, and like Darren said,

707
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: it's fourth and one, you're probably going to convert that

708
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time. So knowing that factor,

709
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: is it a good idea or is it a bad idea?

710
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: And clearly they thought it was a good idea. But yeah,

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00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have blamed them if they punted. I can

712
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: understand that logic too, And I would have understood if

713
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: they punted. The other point that I did want to make,

714
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: which is also off of what you guys were talking

715
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: about on the radio, which is and I believe Wolf

716
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: did make this point. The drive point nowhere. Yeah, that's

717
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: completely immaterial to the going on fourth down. It doesn't

718
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: matter what happens after the play, so because that's making

719
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: it sound like it had they gone and converted that

720
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: and then gone out and score touchdown, it was a

721
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: good idea, and since they had a punt, it was

722
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: a bad idea. And what happens after the conversion is

723
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: immaterial to call itself forward the decision to go for

724
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: it because you got the first down. Then then we

725
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: got to talk about how the offense was kind of

726
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: not doing all that well. But I don't think what

727
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: happened the rush that drive should have any bearing on

728
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: looking back and what you should have done in that situation.

729
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: And you're right, the conversation evolved into that, and I

730
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: think the gist of that was why Among the reasons

731
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: why would you do it in that situation, one one

732
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: was to try and create some momentum. Yeah, things were

733
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: a little dead at that point, and you know byoe

734
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: bring your own energy, there's no fans in there. You

735
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: had a big lead momentum, but twenty zero what momentum

736
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: do you need? Tell you have the momentum if you're

737
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: up twenty to zero, what does momentum? Momentum is Human

738
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: nature is focus, is intensity, and it was waning at

739
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: that point. That would be my car. You're not running

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00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: that play to get momentum. I sure, hope not. Well

741
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: that I'm just saying, I'm explaining that was part of

742
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: the conversation. Somebody brought that up. Yeah, and I was

743
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: the one who sited, well, the drive went nowhere. In fact,

744
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: not only did it go nowhere, but it was resalted.

745
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: And Cliff Kingsbury doing something he rarely does, and he

746
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: called an entire offensive team meeting on the sideline on

747
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: his weekly TV show Game Plan. I asked him about that.

748
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I really do try and pick my spots.

749
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the meeting guy in the sideline.

750
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: But at that point I thought it was pretty important

751
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: for me to say that we were the only ones

752
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: beating ourselves at that point, and that was unacceptable in

753
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: my mind because we need to clean up so many

754
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: different aspects of things. And there was some sloppy execution

755
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: or penalties other factors for that drive. But you know,

756
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: when you hit zoom out on that call, I asked myself, Kyle,

757
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: I'll put it to you. Do you make that call

758
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: because A you believe in your offense? Do you make

759
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: that call because b you trust your defense? And they're

760
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: pitching a shut out. Do you make that call because

761
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: see the analytics say go forward? Do you make that

762
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: call because d you have the Straggler, mandatory level or

763
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: package in I'm just trying to understand the thought process

764
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: and the decision that was made in that situation, and

765
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I kind of sense it's all the above. Yeah, for sure,

766
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I think it's completely all the above, where you look

767
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: at all these different factors and see I go back

768
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: to the Saints game last year when they were on

769
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: the road and they did about the same thing of

770
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: fourth and one from their thirty ish that one made

771
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot more sense to me. I understood the logic

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00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: of that one more where you're a big underdog, you're

773
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: trying to control the ball, maybe steal a win on

774
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: the road. This one, I'm fine with it because I'm

775
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: generally fine with going forward on fourth and one, but

776
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: I saw more of the downside of that decision. But clearly, yeah,

777
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different things he likes. I think

778
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: having Struggler and having that package is a big deal.

779
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: And I think clearly Cliff Kingsbury since Week four of

780
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: last season, he's been very aggressive on fourth downs and

781
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: more so than that fourth and one, because I think

782
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: either way it would have been fine. The fourth and

783
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: five is the one where I think that's the important one.

784
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Fourth and five on the opposing thirty seven, he doesn't

785
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: blink and he goes for it and gets a first down.

786
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: That's the area where I think it's so critical too,

787
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: instead of punting, where we've seen for so long that

788
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: teams always punted around the thirty five to the forty.

789
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: When you don't gain very many yards, you get twenty

790
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: to thirty yards of field positions. So those types of

791
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: decisions I think are more impactful, more so than that

792
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: fourth and one, which to me felt like a coin flip,

793
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's also your old line as

794
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: playing well. Obviously they've they've been executing. And then to

795
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: get back to the defense, Darren, how about the third

796
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: down defense? When the defense is needed to be good,

797
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: they have been good, They have been effective. Did I

798
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: hear right that they're the number one third down defense

799
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, right now based on you know,

800
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: third down conversions their tops And when I saw that

801
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: on Monday, I was surprised. I knew they had done

802
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: well against San Francisco I knew they had done well

803
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 1: against Washington, didn't realize they were better than everybody else.

804
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: And obviously we'll see where this goes. They're going to

805
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: be playing some teams that have a chance to wreck

806
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: that stat a little bit. And like we said earlier,

807
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, this defense doesn't have to be the two

808
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: thousand Ravens. It just has to be good or fairly good.

809
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: I think if the offense does what it needs to

810
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: be and right now they're making the plays that they

811
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: need to make, and like that fourth down play, I

812
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: do think the fact your defense has been playing really

813
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: well at that point means something as opposed to another situation. So,

814
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're getting pressure, not all the time,

815
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: but some of the time. I mean, Chanleng Jones didn't

816
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: get a sack against Washington, but he had four QB hits.

817
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: He was really close a couple of times. He's it

818
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: was his stunt that helped Corey Peters get his sack.

819
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're finding different ways to make

820
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: it work. Would you have liked to see them finish better, yes,

821
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: But as Cliff Kingsbury acknowledged after the game, and as

822
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: we all really saw, you could tell they softened up

823
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: the past defense in the fourth quarter, keeping everybody in

824
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: front of him. It gets it got a little frustrating.

825
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: I understand why you do it. I don't know if

826
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: I love doing it with twelve minutes to go in

827
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: a game, which is kind of what was happening. But

828
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: you could see that that's what they were doing. And

829
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm not even a super expert when it comes to

830
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, So I think they're going in

831
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: the right direction. They'll be tested with his pass offense,

832
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: like Kyle said earlier, with the Lions, I think, and

833
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how that goes. But again,

834
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: when you start looking at the schedule, the Lions offense

835
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: can be good. I don't know if it's great. The

836
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: Panthers are really struggling, and now Christiancaffrey is not going

837
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: to play when they play the Cardinals, and he's all

838
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: their offense it seems most of the time. And the

839
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Jets are quite frankly a disaster offensively right now. So

840
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: this defense has got a chance to get off to

841
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: a really nice start through five games. The way we're

842
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: looking at before that point scoring juggernaut, the Cowboys are

843
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: on the schedule and that will be a major test.

844
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: But that's for a podcast a month from now or

845
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: whenever we do that. I'd love to know the numbers.

846
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saying this, and bylating my rule, Kyle,

847
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: no matter, I'd love to know the analytics and the

848
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: podcast right there and somebody's gonna pull that as a

849
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: highlight the Pat pe on Terry mcclauren before they softened

850
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: up the past defense and sort of went more towards

851
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: a prefense sort of philosophy midway through the third quarter

852
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: or early fourth quarter, whenever it was. I'd love because

853
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: for the most part, Pat, he was traveling with McLaurin

854
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: and did bottle him up to my recollection without going

855
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: through the game film and knowing the analytics and how

856
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: they broke down the matchup, Yeah, I think that's it

857
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: would be nice to see. And the concerning thing was

858
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: on the touchdown, it seemed like McLaurin got away from

859
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: him and maybe Buddha Baker pretty easily. And McLaren's a

860
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: good player and he's fast, so you gotta give him that,

861
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: but you just how much was that, you know, staying

862
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: into the game and attention and how much was that,

863
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, a concern from a speed standpoint, because if

864
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: there's any speed standpoint concerned, then you know that becomes

865
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: a bigger issue moving forward. If it was just kind

866
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: of an isolated end of game, we're just wrapping this up,

867
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: going through the motions a little bit, then it's not

868
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: as much of a concern. And you go against a

869
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: good Detroit team with some whiteouts, and I think we'll

870
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: find out soon like what how Patrick Peterson and Drake

871
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick and Bayern Murphy do against a good passing offense.

872
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: Kenny Galladay is expected to play missed the first two

873
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: games with a hamstring. He did lead the NFL and

874
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: touchdown receptions a year ago, so there's a marquee matchup.

875
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: There was no doubt about that. But there's also no

876
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: doubt Kyle. Go right back to you, nobody's playing better

877
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: on defense than dev Andre Campbell, are they? Yeah? Now

878
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: he's he did a really nice job against Logan Thomas

879
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: and the tight ends, and he's he's an interesting guy

880
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: because he's big, but he can really stick with some

881
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: tight ends and hind his coverage grade was was very

882
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: good in that game. So having that piece was very

883
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: much missing last season, and Devandre Campbell. It's funny just

884
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: having one guy kind of ironing out out that position

885
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: has really let a lot of other things fall into place.

886
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: And I think we'd be remiss not to mention Hassan

887
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: Reddick too, doing a nice job at outside linebacker where

888
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: he's more comfortable instead of being inside where he was

889
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: last season trying to hang with those tight ends where

890
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: he just he didn't get it mentally fast enough. Campbell

891
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: is not the athletic specimen that Hassan Reddick is, but

892
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: he just understands better in coverage and where guys are

893
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: going to go against him. So it's it's been a

894
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: nice little combo there. And Reddick has really held up

895
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: nice against the run too, which was the big question

896
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: being undersized. So I think a lot to like about

897
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: that front seven. You know, it was early in camp

898
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: and of course media guys, so you're truly in particular,

899
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: it might have been raving a little too much about

900
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: the measurables and Isaiah Simmons, and one of the defensive

901
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: coaches said Pauli pencil Neck. Have you seen Isaiah Simmons

902
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: standing next to to Andre Campbell? Meaning they're pretty much

903
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: the same body type, and the two of them, you know,

904
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: getting off the bus, are pretty dang impressive. And just

905
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: the skill set Darren of Campbell and his coboard skills.

906
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: For example, t J. Hockinson, we all remember a year

907
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: ago and that opener six grabs a buck thirty one,

908
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: he had a touchdown, he had a thirty nine yard grab.

909
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: It's just a totally different world when you can start

910
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: your game plan. Dare I say, not by necessarily putting

911
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: Pat p on Kenny Galladay, but by putting Dvandre Campbell

912
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: on the other teams standout tight end, because it's amazing

913
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: how little, how seldom we've called the tight end's name

914
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: of the opponent the first couple of games. It's it's

915
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: funny when you bring up Campbell and Simmons and their

916
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: body types, because the panic through two games from some

917
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: in the fan base over Isaiah Simmons and what they

918
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: should do with them and all these people, Oh, maybe

919
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: inside linebacker isn't where he should be, Maybe he should

920
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: be at safety. And I'm like, would you take Devondre Campbell,

921
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: who is like half an inch or an inch shorter

922
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: than Isaiah Simmons and they are probably within five pounds

923
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: of each other. Would you put Dvandre Campbell at safety?

924
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would think twice. They'd be like, no,

925
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: you can't put Devondari Campbell in safety, or you wouldn't.

926
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: Why would you do it with Isaiah Simmons. I just

927
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like when Cliff Kingsbury and

928
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph talk about how having divandar Campbell allows them

929
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: to bring Isaiah Simmons along in a pace that would

930
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: work for him best on the NFL level, considering it

931
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: didn't have an offseason, considering it didn't have a preseason, etc. Etc.

932
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: I think it goes beyond just a timeline. I think

933
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: I think if they had to draw up and show

934
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons every week on film, this is what we'd

935
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: like you to be, and they can show Dvandre Campbell

936
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: his own teammate, you know, you can be Devondre Campbell

937
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: plus potentially with your athletic ability. I think that's exactly

938
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. And you know, I don't know

939
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: what Isaiah Simmons is going to become, and I hope

940
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: the inside linebacker thing ultimately works out. For him. I

941
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: am optimistic about that. UM, but if if all he

942
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: was was devonre Campbell, You're still gonna have a pretty

943
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: good NFL player on your hands. Jarren, you need to

944
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: let the fans know you're gonna You're gonna wrap up

945
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: the mail bag and just take your mail bag home.

946
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: At this point, you're telling me that two games into

947
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: a young man's career, without a preseason, without an offseason,

948
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: forty snaps, basically into his NFL career, twenty five a position.

949
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: They want a position change already. I got, I got

950
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: a mail, I got a question after game one saying,

951
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: what are they doing? He's a safety? They need to

952
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: move him to safety. This is a boss, This is terrible.

953
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: He's had twenty five snaps in two games. And again

954
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: I understand he's got had twenty five snaps in part

955
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: because it's slow go for him. I get it. Uh,

956
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: And I look, there's no question there is PTSD in

957
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: this fan base. After Hassan Reddick, I think we can

958
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: all agree on that. And that's that's that's what ultimately is.

959
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: Maybe not with Kyle. Kyle's been wondering about the Simmons

960
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: thing for a while. We'll let him have his say,

961
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: But there's absolutely a group of fans that like, see

962
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: a Son Reddick and how it didn't work and now

963
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: it's really working it outside linebacker, and how for whatever

964
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: reason the organization can't see this and this is going

965
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: to be the same thing with Isaiah Simmons. And I

966
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: really put a lot towards what he was not able

967
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: to get in the offseason. I just think that's just

968
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: a massive I mean, you figure through two preseason games,

969
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: I say, as Simmons probably would have played, even if

970
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 1: he didn't play a lot, you would say he probably

971
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: would have had fifty preseason snaps through two preseason games,

972
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: maybe forty or fifty snaps in the first two preseason

973
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: games in a normal year, And he's only had twenty

974
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: five snaps and these are games that count, I mean,

975
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: and then he would have had at least one more

976
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: game where he did stuff. I just I just feel

977
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: like it's way too early to make any judgments on

978
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: where he is. But Darren, he could add a thousand

979
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: snaps in the preseason. For the most part, it would

980
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: be vanilla offense. Yeah. To me, the fact they started

981
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: with the Niners and Kyle Shanahan and all the misdirection

982
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: and the eye candy and the motions and the shifts.

983
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only the only other assignment would have

984
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: been more difficult for a young linebacker and his eyes

985
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: would have been Sean mcveay. Other than that, that offense

986
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: is so difficult to go against. And then as a

987
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: result they targeted him a couple of times and they

988
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: were successful. Because that's the way it works in the NFL.

989
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: They're going to find those matchups. It worked for the

990
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Niners early is snaps were reduced in game one. We

991
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: saw what happened in Game two. It's going to be

992
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: a process, Kyle, what says you? Yeah? And Sean McVay

993
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have George Kittle and Raheem Mostert too, I mean,

994
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: two very dynamic players he was trying to cover so well.

995
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Certainly the jury is still out, but I do think

996
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: talking about Devondre Campbell and him being able to cover

997
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: it is kind of an outlier because a lot of

998
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: linebackers aren't as big as Davandre Campbell and he does

999
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: a nice job. And clearly that's the thinking with Isaiah

1000
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: Simmons too, as he set unicorn such an athletic guy,

1001
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: for how big he is, that he's going to be

1002
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: this you know, exception to the rule in coverage, and

1003
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: that's clearly the hope, and that's why they took him

1004
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: at number eight. But we have to make sure that

1005
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: it happens first. I mean, he played slot corner in

1006
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: college and going against wider he's going against running backs

1007
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: and tight ends right now and having a little bit

1008
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: of problems. So you know, you're not going to graduate

1009
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: to wide receivers until you master that. So it's it's

1010
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: clear that Isaiah Simmons has to show that he can

1011
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: cover consistently in the NFL. And I think that it's

1012
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: interesting now, like how does he get on the field consistently?

1013
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like the debate is whether Isaiah

1014
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Simmons is going to play on defense or Drake Kirkpatrick

1015
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: more so than Devondre Campbell or Jordan Hicks, because you

1016
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: can play Bier Murphy on the outside and then play

1017
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: a four three base defense basically where Campbell is or

1018
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: Simmons is next to Campbell and Hicks. I think that's

1019
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: the most logical way for him to get on the

1020
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: field because like there and said Jalen Thompson, got hurt,

1021
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: and if the Cardinals felt like Isaiah Simmons made sense

1022
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: to slide in at safety, he'd be playing safety right

1023
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: now in the box and Buddha Baker would be playing free.

1024
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: But they didn't do that. So I think in order

1025
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: to play, Isaiah Simmons is gonna have to prove he's

1026
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: more valuable on the field than Drake Kirkpatrick at outside

1027
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: cornerback and Buyer Murphy in the slot. We even saw

1028
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: at the beginning of that Niners game quite a bit

1029
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: two down linemen and then the five linebackers, two outside

1030
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: linebackers and the three inside linebackers. We saw a lot

1031
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: of Wolf was raven about that and all in an

1032
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: attempt to get your most athleticism out on the field.

1033
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that evolves. There's no question and

1034
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: there's no question that. Look, he did play more snaps

1035
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: at other positions than inside linebacker in college, especially his

1036
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: last year at Clemson, so that is part of it.

1037
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: Will be a process. The question is does it all

1038
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: matter when you look at the upcoming schedule. A Lions

1039
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: team that has lost eleven in a row going back

1040
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: to last year, A Panther's team that has lost its

1041
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: last ten games and now lost Christian McCaffrey for the

1042
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: next four to six weeks with the high ankle sprain.

1043
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: And then, as Darren mentioned, the Jets are the outlier

1044
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: on the NFL map. So what it is real hard,

1045
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: and you already see in the national media doing it.

1046
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: Putting the five and old Cardinals going into Monday night

1047
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: football in Big d against Dallas. Is I get two

1048
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: guys shaking their heads. Darren, there's that crown again, isn't it? Paul?

1049
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: You know again the week I'll be honest, I did

1050
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: not realize the Lions had lost that many games in

1051
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: a row. I mean, obviously last year's last year and

1052
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: this year is this year. And they should not have

1053
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: lost to the Bears in Week one. They shouldn't have

1054
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: blown the lead they had, and they still should have

1055
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: won that game. At the end of Swift doesn't drop

1056
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: the touchdown catch. So they're this close to having at

1057
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: least one win. And so look for all the times

1058
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals have played the Lions, and it doesn't

1059
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: matter who's who and who's lining up on the other side,

1060
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: it is like these games always end up close. It

1061
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's a super blout most of the time.

1062
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: I guess the one time in Detroit in twenty fifteen

1063
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: before the Greenbrier was pretty much a roll over for

1064
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, But most of the time it seems fairly close.

1065
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Speaker 1: I do know Galadays had some good games against this franchise.

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Speaker 1: So if you can get through this one and you

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Speaker 1: got a home game, and you know, for what that's

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Speaker 1: worth right now, at least you're not traveling and being

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Speaker 1: able to get off to a three and oz start

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Speaker 1: before you're playing you know, a Panthers team with missing

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Speaker 1: their best player and with a first year head coach

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Speaker 1: and the Jets that are the Jets. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is to me the big hurdle over these next three games,

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Speaker 1: not that those other games won't be, but I really

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: like how Cliff Kingsbury has handled this, both publicly and

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Speaker 1: some of the things that I've heard behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: I do not think this is a team that's ever

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Speaker 1: going to get over its skis in terms of getting

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Speaker 1: over confident. I don't think he's the kind of guy

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Speaker 1: that would do that. I think Bruce arians is a

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Speaker 1: good coach. I think he was great for the time

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Speaker 1: he was here. I loved having him around. I think

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Speaker 1: he was the kind of coach that sometimes could let

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Speaker 1: that get out a little bit in front. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Cliff is going to be that guy. I think

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Speaker 1: that one year or two years in the Bill Belichick system,

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Speaker 1: I think rubbed off on him. I think he's the

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Speaker 1: son of an old school football coach. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the kind of guy that is absolutely going to be

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Speaker 1: one week at a time. It might be to the

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Speaker 1: detriment of us sometimes in terms of interesting storylines and

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00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: interesting quotes, but I do think they have a chance

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Speaker 1: to get off to good start, not only because of

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Speaker 1: the schedule, because of the way he's going to treat them.

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Speaker 1: Didn't he say the end of last week that what

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Speaker 1: he learned from Belichick was that after wins he was

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Speaker 1: even harder, more critical on his team. That's how he

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Speaker 1: kept them grounded in a lot of ways. So you

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Speaker 1: probably don't want to go ahead and tell the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: locker room that the Lions last win was October twenty

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Speaker 1: seve that they finished last year by losing nine straight.

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Speaker 1: Yet Matt Patricia and the GM Bob Quinn, both from

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Speaker 1: New England, kept their job. They're on double secret probation

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Speaker 1: this year, as the team is expected to contend for

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, except they have quite the dubious record right now.

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Speaker 1: They're the first team ever to blow double digit leads

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Speaker 1: to lose four consecutive games. Yeah, that's not even counting

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Speaker 1: Kyle the season opener last year when they were up

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Speaker 1: twenty four to six in the fourth quarter and a

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Speaker 1: rookie named Kyler Murray in his first game rally the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals all the way back for an overtime tie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it says something when you can get up by

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Speaker 1: double digits. I mean a poor team, like maybe last

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Speaker 1: week when the Washington's down twenty to zero at the

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Speaker 1: half and they didn't have a chance. That's why any

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Speaker 1: team that is competitive and then loses late, I give

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Speaker 1: them a lot more credence than somebody who gets beaten

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Speaker 1: wire to wire. And we'll see how the Lions end up. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: the stats don't look good right now. Their defense has

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Speaker 1: a lot of issues. But I do agree with Darren

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00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: and like we were saying earlier, you know they have

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Speaker 1: a quality offense, and anytime you have that in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I think you have a shot. And you're just looking

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Speaker 1: at I mean, last week I talked about this fast start,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people jumped all over me about it

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. But I feel like, clearly this is lining

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Speaker 1: up where the Cardinals can get off to a good start.

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Speaker 1: But I think you look at it statistically, they are

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Speaker 1: going to be favored in these next three games, but

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Speaker 1: the most likely outcome is still two and one, more

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00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: so than three and oh, just because you look at

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: the percentages of winning three games in a row. Not

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Speaker 1: easy to do. So I think four and one is

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Speaker 1: more likely, even though they'll be favored in every single game.

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Speaker 1: And if they can get to five and oh, that's

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00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: a pretty impressive accomplishment. This game is tough. And then

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Speaker 1: you're on the road for two in a row, and

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Speaker 1: we don't have the fans out there, and that's a

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00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: little bit different. But you're still flying across country. You're

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Speaker 1: playing in the NFL, where teams have some good talent,

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00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: even if they're not as good as you. So you know,

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Speaker 1: a pick six or a fumble or something like that

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00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: can change a game. So I think the schedule is

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Speaker 1: off right now and it's lining up well for the Cardinals,

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00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: But you can't just plunk down five and oh anytime

1146
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's not easy to win those games.

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Speaker 1: So with d Hops serving as the campaign manager for

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray here in an election year, you're telling me

1149
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: that the following strategy election strategy to get Kyler the MVP.

1150
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: You go ahead, you pile it up against the Lions.

1151
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: Jack stumped them. Then you repeat that at Carolina in

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: the Eastern time zone. Then you go into the big

1153
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: stage of the Big Apple, all the East Coast bias guys.

1154
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: You put it out there for everyone to see the

1155
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: future of football, TikTok, And then that sets up Monday

1156
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Speaker 1: night football in Big d going back home to Texas

1157
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: in Dallas, can't you just see this juggernaut gaining steam

1158
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: down the track staring You can just see where this

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00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: possibly is going and you could see where it could

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: get derailed if the team isn't focused and they come

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: out and play poorly and they have if they start

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Speaker 1: the first half against the Lions the way they ended

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Speaker 1: the second half against wash She did, then yeah, they

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Speaker 1: could have some issues and find themselves behind in the

1165
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: school board. Look, you got to play good football. And

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Speaker 1: this comes back to where we were at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of this, which is they may be averaging twenty seven

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Speaker 1: points a game, they may be getting four hundred yards

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: a game, but they're not playing great offensively at this point,

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00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: consistent great, and that they're going to have to find that.

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Speaker 1: And obviously Matt Patricia's a defensive minded coach. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he's somebody that's thought very long and hard about Kyler Murray.

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00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: And he's seen Kyler Murray. Now, he saw embryonic Kyler

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00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: Murray in his very first game. And it's a much

1175
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: different offense, and it's a much different Kyler Murray. And

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00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't have Devon Carnard anymore to go sack Kyler

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Speaker 1: over and over. So we'll we'll see how all that

1178
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: plays out. But I am curious to it. It's a

1179
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: good measuring stick this weekend, not only where they might

1180
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: go over the next few weeks, but also where they

1181
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: went from the first game of Cliff and Kyler to

1182
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: where they are now. Here's my free advice. Paulie Patricia

1183
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: usually has one writing instrument. He might want it for

1184
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, get two, you know, for the dual threat.

1185
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: Might get one for the arm, you know, come for

1186
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: the arm, stay for the legs. That would be my

1187
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: free advice. The other thing I'll just say is, you know, hey,

1188
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: come on now, Dzie, get off Darren in the mail

1189
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: bag and stop it against Kyler on Twitter. I mean,

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00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: my goodness, you know, I mean, the Cardinals are two

1191
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: and oh, let's stop when any sort of vitriol or

1192
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: blowback right now, just enjoy it. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: There you go, and that'll that'll do it here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground.