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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: Here we are ready to roll with you One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker. Good to have you with us

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Speaker 2: on a Thursday, and got plenty to dive into today,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get to in just a second. But there

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Speaker 2: is tons of NFL coaching news. It's getting fast and

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Speaker 2: furious now with hirings and interviews not just for head

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Speaker 2: wanted to try to bring up to speed a little

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Speaker 2: Right out of the gate, which is presented by Kalida Health,

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Speaker 2: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and we

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Speaker 2: begin with two NFL coaching jobs, head coaching jobs that

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Speaker 2: have been filled in the last twenty four hours. About

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Speaker 2: an hour ago, news broke that David Canalis, offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: coach of the Carolina Panthers. He worked with GM Dan

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Speaker 2: Did it with Gino Smith at the Seahawks, did it

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Speaker 2: just this past season with Baker Mayfield, who had a

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Speaker 2: Best years of pro won a playoff game, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on in Carolina, of course, But

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Speaker 3: when Dan Morgan got the job as a GM, those

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Speaker 3: paying his dues for a long time. When they people,

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Speaker 3: out to people they really know with what you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, he might not be a household name, but he's

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Speaker 4: So yeah, Chargers, as we know this broke.

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Speaker 2: Late yesterday, have officially hired Jim Harbaugh as their new

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Speaker 4: They were finalizing the deal yesterday. We mentioned that on

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Speaker 2: So they're the second team that hired a head coach

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Speaker 2: interim head coach Antonio Pierce their permanent head coach before

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Speaker 2: hiring Tom Telesco as general manager. And so now the

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Speaker 2: Chargers are bringing in Ravens Director of Player Personnel Joe

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Speaker 2: They also had Giants assistant GM Brandon Brown in yesterday,

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Speaker 4: Things are picking up pace with the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: But I would bet the Ravens guy has a good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John will pick up the phone and if he's

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Speaker 3: we've seen it here in Buffalo time and time again,

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Speaker 2: Some AFC East news vic Fangio out as defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: As I was going to ask, and also, do we

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Speaker 2: Tom Telesco is viewed as a more experienced candidate who

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Speaker 3: Tom Telesko's a Buffalo guy, so a lot of people

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Speaker 3: He played in what five games?

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Speaker 2: And then we all know why Tomorrow is on the list.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. Only one time has a Buffalo Bill

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Speaker 2: Doug Flutie in nineteen ninety eight when he came back

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Speaker 2: He helped the Bills reverse an zero to three start

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Speaker 2: then the bigger news, Josh Allen has been named a

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Speaker 4: The Super Bowl something like that. Yeah, which is in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we are. I don't know, are we

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just glad he's in the conversation. But

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Speaker 2: forget No, nobody ever forgives him for it, and now

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Speaker 2: it's stuck with him for the entire season. But the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. And listen it's hard. It's a hard

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Speaker 3: Tends to people think we're dissing Lamar. Lamar had a

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Speaker 3: Hints is why we like Josh. Josh is doing Every

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Speaker 3: That's all you could say. And uh, but he is

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Speaker 3: and congratulations to him.

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Speaker 2: Now, don't know if you spotted this, Steve. So we

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Speaker 2: remember that Packers kicker Andrews Carlson misses the kick against

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Speaker 4: By the Packers. So yeah, well that competition's on the

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Speaker 3: That's the way it is. You can bet the Bills

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Speaker 3: They didn't do it last year. They will this year.

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Speaker 2: Right So that's kind of a look at what's going

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Speaker 2: So that is a position that is going to have

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Speaker 4: So you let us know what your thoughts are.

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Speaker 2: What's the most likely outcome for the defensive line changes

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Speaker 3: Here's the three. Yeah, it is unless you find somebody

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have You're gonna struggle unless von Vaughn comes

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be a real issue for this team

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's I think it's gonna be a step

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Speaker 3: I think that maybe where you're at. You get to

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Speaker 4: They'll get Shaq Lawson's resigned here each of the last

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Speaker 2: So, I mean you can find bodies to fill out

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Speaker 3: I'll say this though, I'm and who knows how it's

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Speaker 3: It's a too little, too late. I get all of that.

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Speaker 2: So that's why you know you should probably give Kingsley

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Speaker 4: If he gets priced out of your price range, well

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Speaker 2: See what you think at eight oh three zero five

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Speaker 4: What do you got for us? Joe?

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, a longtime listener, first time caller. Thanks, apologies

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Speaker 3: Where would you have them go farm? Where would you

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 6: I think I mean, I don't know if there's integration

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this, I mean, you don't get to

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Speaker 6: Fair boys, Steve. One other thing I wanted to touch on,

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Speaker 6: Look at where we are, you know, be appreciative. This

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Joe. We were actually talking about that yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You know, the salary cap situation they find themselves in

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Speaker 4: Steve's references it all the time.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs went with a major youth movement on defense

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and you're right it is. After the Bill

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Speaker 3: it's hard to do. There's always fans will always troll,

437
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Speaker 3: and they'll always let their emotions overflow out, and certainly

438
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Speaker 3: it sounds awful, and they troll the team and they

439
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: drag Sean McDermott, they drag Brandon Bean, they drag whoever

440
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Speaker 3: you want. You know, day Ball, Leslie Frasier, Tyler Bass,

441
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Speaker 3: go through the list. You know, they'll drag all everybody

442
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Speaker 3: and anything and everybody through the mud because it's just

443
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Speaker 3: where they are mentally. So don't I got a lot

444
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Speaker 3: of grace for that, because that's what fanship is. And

445
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Speaker 3: but most of those people, when when they get over

446
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Speaker 3: it the season, the off season is going to roll along.

447
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Speaker 3: They'll watch the draft, they'll get excited, and they'll be

448
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Speaker 3: back back next year because it's it's part of being

449
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Speaker 3: a fan. You kind of go ride the ups and

450
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Speaker 3: downs and downs like the end of the season, last

451
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Speaker 3: last a while emotionally, and you got to have some

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Speaker 3: grace for people. Although some of the stuff we've seen

453
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Speaker 3: is obviously out of bounds, particularly with the Tyler Bass stuff,

454
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Speaker 3: but for the most part, you're right your your trip

455
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Speaker 3: comes back to op I've heard it before you. Jason

456
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: and Travis Kelcey had their podcast this week and they

457
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Speaker 3: were effusive in their praise not only for the Buffalo Bills,

458
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the team, but also the fans. Jason

459
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: is well documented had a nice time at the game,

460
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Speaker 3: both pre and you know, both pregame and during the game.

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Speaker 3: They loved it. That's mostly what Bills. Being a fan

462
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: about the Bills is we kind of get our arms

463
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Speaker 3: around each other. We welcome in other points of view.

464
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Speaker 3: We like this Taylor Swift Jason Kelsey box. That is

465
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Speaker 3: absolute riot to when you get your mind around what

466
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Speaker 3: they were doing and what was going on in there,

467
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: it was an absolute hilarious event. That was part of

468
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Speaker 3: and was made great by the way they were received

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Speaker 3: by the fans around them. So I get it. The

470
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Speaker 3: end of the season comes and there's a lot of

471
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Speaker 3: angst and anger and disappointment. We've all lived through it before,

472
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Speaker 3: all too many times, right, But they're also you got

473
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Speaker 3: to remember there's a lot of a ton of good

474
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Speaker 3: that comes out of it, the Tyler Bass situation, in particular,

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Speaker 3: the ten Lives.

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Speaker 4: Charity charity.

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Speaker 3: You know, a couple hundred thousand dollars people have given

478
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Speaker 3: because of because they still love Tyler Bass and they

479
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Speaker 3: wanted to support him the way that you know, Bill's

480
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Speaker 3: fans have always done. So, yeah, you're right. And now lastly,

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Speaker 3: the youth movement, I agree completely. I am. I get

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Speaker 3: excited about it when I think about it. I think

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Speaker 3: back to when I was a young player and would

484
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Speaker 3: have given anything to get an opportunity to get on

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Speaker 3: the field.

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Speaker 7: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was on a team with some established guys my

488
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Speaker 3: rookie season in Houston. There were some established guys and

489
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Speaker 3: I had a lot to learn, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: But I really wanted a chance to play, and I

491
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Speaker 3: wanted you to excel. I wanted to get on the field.

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Speaker 3: And that's where I think all these young guys are.

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Speaker 3: And I think back to my mindset at that time

494
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Speaker 3: and how I you know, what I wanted, what I

495
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Speaker 3: wanted to do, and what I was willing to do.

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Speaker 3: It's exciting to think about. And I think as a

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Speaker 3: coach in the NFL, you have a responsibility to give

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Speaker 3: your team the best chance to win, and you have

499
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Speaker 3: beliefs that are attached to that, where guys who will

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Speaker 3: you know, who will stay away from mistakes and make

501
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Speaker 3: sure your calls get made and make sure everybody else

502
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Speaker 3: is on the same page. And young players you don't

503
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Speaker 3: know if they can do that, so you stay away

504
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Speaker 3: from them. My coach was like that, Marv was averse

505
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Speaker 3: to playing rookies, and it's not the right It's not

506
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Speaker 3: always the right thing to do. In fact, I think

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Speaker 3: in a lot of cases it's probably the wrong thing

508
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Speaker 3: to do. I played on a team where Eric Moles

509
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Speaker 3: was sitting on the bench as a rookie.

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Speaker 4: You can't, I mean, and as a second year player.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get that. You gotta get guys like that

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Speaker 3: on the field. They've got to get on the field,

513
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Speaker 3: and that's uh you know. So I'm I'm with you

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Speaker 3: on the youth movement. I think it's exciting to think about.

515
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Speaker 3: I think it's fun to think about Brownie and I

516
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: have Brownie more than me. Brownie's starting to say, hey,

517
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Speaker 3: look at this guy on the on college highlights. I'm like,

518
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Speaker 3: I don't want to see that guy yet. I'm not ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you and so's all that is great. Joe,

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Speaker 3: Joe from Denver, I'm glad you came back. Come back

521
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Speaker 3: more often than every ten years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to Don in Rochester next. What's up? John?

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Speaker 7: Hi, guys, love the show. Coming on. A play I

524
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Speaker 7: would have loved to see more often. Would have been

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Speaker 7: a pure bootleg by Josh. Seems like the pitches and

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Speaker 7: the sweeps by cooked a lot of times you got

527
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Speaker 7: negative yardage, and from where I sit, seems like Josh

528
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 7: would have had a lot of room to run. And

529
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Speaker 7: to follow up Steve with the Josh and his turnovers.

530
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Speaker 7: The national media likes to make a point of his turnovers,

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Speaker 7: his interceptions. I don't know if you follow sale Morano

532
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Speaker 7: or read his articles, but there's been five quarterbacks with

533
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Speaker 7: more interceptions in the first five seasons, led by Peyton

534
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Speaker 7: Manning he had one hundred and ten, followed by Marino

535
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Speaker 7: was in there, Brady was in there, Brett Farv and

536
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Speaker 7: getting the old Denver quarterback John Elway all yeah, John

537
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Speaker 7: Elway all Hall of Famers, yeah, or soon to be

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Speaker 7: with Brady. But you know that's a pretty elite company.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we you know there's picks that

540
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Speaker 7: you know obviously cost us here and there, but you know,

541
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Speaker 7: you've got to take the good with the bed, and

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Speaker 7: you know Josh is a phenomenal athlete and those things

543
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Speaker 7: are going to happen at some point.

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Speaker 2: You're right, don right, We're up against the break here,

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Speaker 2: so we got to let you go. But thanks for

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Speaker 2: the call. And I will say this, Uh Steves said

547
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Speaker 2: this many times. When you throw as much as Josh does,

548
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Speaker 2: you're going to put the ball at risk. And if

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Speaker 2: you look historically at all of those guys, they threw

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Speaker 2: the ball a lot too, which is why they have

551
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Speaker 2: a lot of interceptions. So that is the risk you

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Speaker 2: take every time you throw the football. As to your

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Speaker 2: run point that you wanted to run Josh more, I

554
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Speaker 2: actually would have preferred they throw more on first down.

555
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Speaker 2: Come the second half of that game against the Chiefs,

556
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Speaker 2: because it was very clear that the Chiefs were fully

557
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Speaker 2: expecting run on first down and on a lot of

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Speaker 2: the second and shorts in the second half, and the

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Speaker 2: Bills tried to keep running the ball, and it was

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Speaker 2: to the point where the Chiefs were run blitzing. They

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Speaker 2: really believe that the Bills are going to continue to

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Speaker 2: run on first and second down. They did second and short.

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Speaker 2: I should say they ran on ten of their thirteen

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Speaker 2: second in shorts in that game. It's too predictable. They

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Speaker 2: should have switched it up, thrown more on first down

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Speaker 2: or second in short. So I will respect I agree

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Speaker 2: with you they should have done something different, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think Josh running it was necessarily the answer. You

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Speaker 2: want to talk about running Josh inside the five, I'll

570
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Speaker 2: listen to that. But they just stuck with it too

571
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Speaker 2: long and didn't get off it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw, I saw what you saw two once

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Speaker 3: in a while. Don maybe Josh fake in the handoff

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Speaker 3: and rolling. They did it once or twe what a

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Speaker 3: fake pitch? I remember I did a fake pitch and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But so you know, a hard run play action have

577
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: Josh boot out the back, but you know you don't

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Speaker 3: want to expose him to an unblocked guy coming off

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Speaker 3: the edge away from the run either, because teams do that.

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Speaker 3: That's the way you answer a bootleg. But I'm with you,

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Speaker 3: I saw the same thing. There was a couple of

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Speaker 3: times when I wish Josh wouldn't have handed it off

583
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Speaker 3: and just kept it on his own and gone not

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Speaker 3: told anybody. I think there was a play to be had,

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's easy to say that after the play,

586
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Speaker 3: but you never know beforehand.

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Speaker 4: Break time for us here.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, the Hall of Famer, thurmon Thomas

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Speaker 2: gonna join us. We'll catch up with him in our

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Speaker 2: number two. He'll be coming up an hour number two

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Speaker 2: of the show. In the meantime, we'll take more of

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Speaker 2: your phone calls when we come back here on One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve

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Speaker 2: Tasker with you, going right back to the phones where

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Speaker 2: we are asking you today, what's the most likely outcome

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Speaker 2: for the defensive line changes this offseason. Eight of the

599
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: twelve defensive linemen on the roster are unrestricted free agents.

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Speaker 2: You know the Bill's cap situation is tight to say

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Speaker 2: the least, how do you see it playing out between

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Speaker 2: now and next fall? And let us know at eight

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Speaker 2: o three five fifty. Let's get back to the phones

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Speaker 2: and we go to Rick in Northtown, a Wanda.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 7: Rick?

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Speaker 8: Hi, guys, A couple of things. I've been number one.

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Speaker 8: I've been the Bills fan since the last time they

609
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Speaker 8: won a championship. That was in nineteen sixty four when

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Speaker 8: we beat the San Diego Chargers. Of course that was

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Speaker 8: the AFL before the merge. But my question was, why

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Speaker 8: doesn't the Bills and maybe even other teams have their

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Speaker 8: offensive coordinator on the field. To me, this makes a

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Speaker 8: lot more sense than having them up in the press

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Speaker 8: box looking through binoculars or whatever and calling the plays.

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Speaker 8: I guess they must relay it right through a radio

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Speaker 8: and then the quarterbacks helmet or something like that. They do, yeah,

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Speaker 8: and to me, then they're the distracting number one. But

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Speaker 8: it also by having the guy up in the stands

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Speaker 8: up in the press box, I should say, it seems

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Speaker 8: like they missed the flow of information on the field.

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Speaker 8: They missed the contact with the players and actually with

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Speaker 8: the head coach. And to me, this is one of

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Speaker 8: the reasons they Bills have made such stupid moves in

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Speaker 8: some of the play calling. Number one, I'll say the

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Speaker 8: thirteen second game everybody knows about. And then this last

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Speaker 8: game with k C, I mean the last The play

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Speaker 8: calling in the in the last part of that game

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Speaker 8: was ridiculous. I mean, who wants to get a field

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Speaker 8: goal with a minute and forty five seconds and give

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Speaker 8: it to give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 8: who the Bills couldn't stop all day and let them

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Speaker 8: go down and even get in the field goal range

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Speaker 8: and kick the winning field goal.

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Speaker 4: All right? So let me, I think we know what

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00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: you're getting at Rick.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, how do you think

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Speaker 2: being on the field to call plays will fix that

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Speaker 2: problem that you think they have?

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Speaker 8: I believe that it would help because you're you have

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Speaker 8: the opportunity to talk directly with both the defensive the

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Speaker 8: head coach, and and you know you're the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 8: Much more close coordination than working through a radio, telephone

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Speaker 8: or whatever kind of electronic communication they have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean respectfully, Rick, they can all

646
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Speaker 2: hear each other on the headset. I mean, they could

647
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: talk to anybody they want anywhere in the stadium that

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Speaker 2: has a headset on that frequency. So the reason those

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Speaker 2: coordinators go upstairs is so they can see the whole

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Speaker 2: field better and realize what defensive coverages are being played

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Speaker 2: against them and given down in distances, coordinators, to a

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Speaker 2: man say, they see everything better.

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Speaker 4: Up there. You get a view of the entire field.

654
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: You see substitutions, quicker to know what personnel groupings are

655
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: coming on the field, things like that. So, knowing that

656
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: the communication is uninterrupted because of the technology that's available,

657
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: it affords them a bird's eye view of everything. And

658
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: I mean Brian Dabele felt this way, Ken Dorsey felt

659
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: this way, and Joe Brady did the same thing. They

660
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: all feel it's a better vantage point to understand what

661
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: the defense is trying to do against you to call

662
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: proper plays accordingly.

663
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Right, And plus I get it, But if if it

664
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Speaker 3: was a bills problem, every I mean literally.

665
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: The only vast majority of upstairs, everybody sits up there.

666
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 3: The only ones who don't are the head coaches who

667
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: call plays, and they have to be on the sideline.

668
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of reasons they go up in

669
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: the booth. The first and foremost is the booth is

670
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: exactly what the point of view they have when they

671
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: study game plans. They watch film and it's the same

672
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: film from a high sideline and then also the high

673
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: end zone as well. But they're used to watching the

674
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 3: game exactly like that, and they watch. These guys watch

675
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: so much film. They they watch a play and they'll

676
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: tell you five things through one time through the through

677
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: the play, they'll tell you five things that they notice

678
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: right out of the gate because they watch so much

679
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: of it. YEA, from that angle, it gives them the

680
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: big picture. It gives it to them very quickly. And

681
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: like like Brownie said, all the coaches, the offensive side

682
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: of the of the coaching staff and the defensive side

683
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: of the coaching staff, they all hear each other talk.

684
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: They're separated, and the only way they're linked is through

685
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: the head coach. The head coach can switch over from

686
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: offense to defense, and you can hear the defensive staff

687
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: and you can hear the offensive staff. So obviously he

688
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: can switch back and forth whoever's on the field. But

689
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 3: everybody has a voice, and they all have specific responsibilities

690
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: on game day, so they all not only do they

691
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: need to know when they're supposed to talk and have

692
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: information that they're supposed to give in any given moment.

693
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: They're also paid to shut up so everybody else can talk.

694
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: It's a really concise, professional line of communication. You chime

695
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: in when it's your turn, and you say it quick

696
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: and get off so somebody else can chime in and

697
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 3: give their to give their information. It's all I mean.

698
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: This is not just guys drawn plays up in the dirt,

699
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: and it's not just you know now. I will say

700
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: this in defense of your point. Rick from north Tonawandah.

701
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: When Brian Dabole had a quarterback like Josh Allen, they

702
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: was just drafted. A lot of coordinators will stay on

703
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: the sidelines for a young quarterback to be there so

704
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: they can have that relationship that you're talking about when

705
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: they sit down looking the kids. I say, listen when

706
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: you're because it means it's it's a different type of

707
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: teaching when you're there sitting next to him the only time.

708
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: Then most of them, all of them, Brian Dable did

709
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: it as well. They move back up to the booth

710
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: when the quarterback gets to a level of awareness and

711
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: situational and all that stuff where you can talk without

712
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 3: having to point out exactly what you're talking about. You know,

713
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: when the quarterback gets to a level where he understands

714
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: without having you point to it. You know that kind

715
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: of thing. When the quarterback becomes developed and self aware enough,

716
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: and he's a professional enough, and he's seen as much

717
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: film as you have that season, that that kind of thing,

718
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: then you can he's he's his own coach, you know

719
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And you can go upstairs and then

720
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: you can see the game and call a better gain,

721
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: call better plays from upstairs. Yeah, there's a ton in this,

722
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: no question. It's not easy. I don't know what you

723
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: mean about the bad play calling down the stretch in

724
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: Kansas City. I get it. We always hear it. If

725
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: it didn't work when you call it, you should have

726
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: done the other thing. If if the run didn't work,

727
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: you should have thrown it. Or if the long pass

728
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: didn't work, you should have thrown it short. If the

729
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: short pass wasn't there, you had a guy open deep.

730
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: I get it. But the simple fact of the matter

731
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: is the Bills things have form follows function. Offensive coordinators

732
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: notoriously defensive coordinators too. They're all upstairs because they can

733
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: see it better and they have less information that has

734
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: to be given to them because they can see it

735
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: for themselves.

736
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Speaker 4: Let's go to Mark in West Seneca next. What's up Mark?

737
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, real quick, a couple points, so I answer

738
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 9: your question. D Line priority priority one, de Kwon Jones

739
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 9: Priority two. It's an either or. I believe up An

740
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 9: or Leonard Floyd. I don't think they can afford Maybe

741
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 9: not either one, but at least one of them maybe.

742
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 9: And then I would definitely concentrate on Brien Jordan Phillips

743
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 9: and Shaq Lawson back on veteran minimum one year deals

744
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 9: for support players. It's real easy to focus on the

745
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 9: negative the way the season ended, uh, but I'd like

746
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 9: to I look at the roster and I like to

747
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 9: focus on the positive. My first positive is moving forward

748
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 9: that offensive line. To me, offensive lines are the heartbeat

749
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 9: of a football team. You control games with those guys,

750
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 9: and we got those five guys intact moving forward for

751
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 9: quite a long time now, so I like to focus

752
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 9: on that. I believe that was the heartbeat of the

753
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 9: Super Bowl teams back in the day, was that offensive line,

754
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 9: even though we have Hall of famers around them. But

755
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 9: and then lastly, real quick, young players. Uh, this is

756
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 9: an opportunity for Brandon Bean and his scouting staff and

757
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 9: our coaching staff, which Brownie you support all the time,

758
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 9: as developing guys, to show what they're made of. I

759
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 9: think we should be positive in this respect. We may

760
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 9: struggle a little bit at the beginning of the year

761
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 9: with some young guys we got to play him, but

762
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 9: that coaching staff is going to develop as the season

763
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Speaker 9: goes on. And there's no doubting Brandon Bean in his

764
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 9: scouting staff recognize talent and finance talent, so they're going

765
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Speaker 9: to bring in some guys that we can develop. So

766
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Speaker 9: I think moving forward, the youth movement is going to

767
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 9: be a really, really great thing. Yeah, thanks for listening, guys.

768
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sure thing.

769
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: Mark a lot to cover there, and yeah, I mean

770
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: I think day Kwon Jones is probably ority number one

771
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: at the defensive tackle position among the free agents because

772
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: he's clearly the most valuable and highest caliber player of

773
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: the group.

774
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you can get.

775
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips and Shack Lawson on affordable deals, you bring

776
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: them back into the fold as rotational players.

777
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they'll help your team.

778
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: And then you know, beyond that, the youth movement, and

779
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: I think their hand will be somewhat forced. It may

780
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: not be completely comfortable, but I think with the development

781
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: skills of the staff and the flat out want to

782
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: of some of these younger players to fill a role

783
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: Capablylika Terrell Bernard did this year, I think they might

784
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: be pleasantly surprised.

785
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: I really do.

786
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

787
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: And I'm at sitting here where we're at now, knowing

788
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: and feeling how long the season has been this season

789
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: for the Bills. We all, I think a lot of

790
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: us and Brownie and I are certainly in this spot

791
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: where I'm first couple of weeks of the season. It

792
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: takes some lumps because we just saw this team over

793
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: the last couple of years going to run late and

794
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: get everything they want and have everything they want right

795
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: in front of them by you know, by struggling through

796
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: this year was with injuries to key players on the defense,

797
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: you know, and certainly you could live like that and

798
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: do it because of the youth on your defense and

799
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: just get better. I'm all about it. I think it's

800
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: a it's a it. It's less of a hill to

801
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: climb than it seems like, uh for me, and I'm

802
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: I'm all about I think the and now it doesn't

803
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: say that everybody's gonna stay healthy and all that, but

804
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: given the given the drugs, I'd rather have young players

805
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: who are developing week by week rather than have to

806
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: overcome a bunch of injuries to guys in the thirties,

807
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: you know, who are gonna have trouble bouncing back. Get

808
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: some young guys on the field and turn them loose

809
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: a little bit and see if you can see if

810
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: you can get them better.

811
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Speaker 2: Break time for us more of your phone calls when

812
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: we return here on One Pills Live, presented by Colid

813
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

814
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

815
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you got to get right

816
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: back to the phones because we are short on time.

817
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: And to Butch on the east side what he got

818
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: for his butcher.

819
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 10: Gentlemen, gentlemen, thank you so much for taking my call.

820
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 11: I'm not gonna be long, but I definitely got to

821
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 11: say to all the fans out there who love the

822
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 11: Buffalo Bills and love this radio station. You guys already know, Butchers,

823
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 11: I love you. Secondly, to the owner of this radio station,

824
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 11: all the employees behind the scenes, in front of the scenes.

825
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 11: I love you guys who are doing a hard working job.

826
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 11: Along with the people that I speak to on a

827
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Speaker 11: regular basis, I love them.

828
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Speaker 8: Put this out the way.

829
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 10: I had to say that to get it started. Now,

830
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 10: let me just say this to you. Number one, We're

831
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 10: gonna talk about the offensiveciety of the ball, and I'm

832
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 10: not gonna be long offensive.

833
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 8: Side of the ball.

834
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Speaker 10: We got a guy named Josh Allen who's a special breed.

835
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 10: We don't get them that often. The NFL don't get

836
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 10: them that often. Forget the bills. The NFL doesn't get

837
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 10: a Josh Allen that often. Meed somebody that's going to

838
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 10: be a jumper. What I mean by a jumper is

839
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 10: looking for the next gig.

840
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 8: What I mean by that is you had a guy.

841
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 10: That you guys, Brownie and Steve, you guys talk to

842
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 10: on a regular bab His name is dan Orlowski. You

843
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 10: bring that guy in and give.

844
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 8: Him Josh Allen.

845
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 10: He's not a jumper. He's not gonna look for a

846
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 10: head coaching job right away. He's gonna stay with Josh Allen.

847
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 10: And when Sean McDermott decided to move up with Brandy

848
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 10: Bean as assistant general manager. Then he'll take the head

849
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 10: coaching job if it's open to him in this case here,

850
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 10: But I love Joe Brady and Steve you already know.

851
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 10: One time he said, what's who do we got? I said,

852
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 10: we got Joe Brady and he did a hell of

853
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 10: a job. And I'm proud of Joe and our prodigo.

854
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 10: But Joe has an agenda, just like he took the

855
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 10: Atlanta interview. That means he's ready to jump anytime one.

856
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 10: Josh Allen doesn't need anyone to jump. He needs stability.

857
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 10: He needs somebody's gonna be with him the whole time.

858
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 10: And dan Orlowski already gave you the game plans all

859
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 10: season long of what he could do with Josh Allen.

860
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 10: Put that to the side, move on to the second

861
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 10: phase on the defensive side of the ball, which I

862
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 10: love my guy, Sean McDermott. I love Sean, but Brandon

863
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 10: Bean is one hell of a general manager. He has

864
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 10: brought a lot of you since he's been here. But

865
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 10: at the same time, Sean is the type of guy

866
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 10: he's old fashioned, which he's like, he's like my grandfather.

867
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 10: They don't believe letting youth play right away. They like

868
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 10: to let him pay their dues. Gee, if you don't

869
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 10: believe me, when Cook fundled the ball early in the year,

870
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 10: he a bench cooked for a long period of time,

871
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 10: because that's that's how old school people do. My thing

872
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 10: is now with the salary cap, like you guys say yesterday,

873
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 10: we're gonna have to play the youth. Brandon Dean is

874
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 10: been functioning this team with good talent. It's time to

875
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 10: let him go. Now, it's time more moving forward, we'd

876
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 10: like to let our youth play. We got four wide

877
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 10: receivers on a practice squad from Justin Shorter to six ' four.

878
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 10: We got two six six guys wide receivers. He could

879
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 10: have played the helped us this year, but at the

880
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 10: same time they never put them on an active roster

881
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 10: moving forward, I'm done after this and I appreciate you

882
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 10: taking my call. Is that now this coming off season,

883
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 10: when Brandon goes to the draft, my friend Sean mcdermomy,

884
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 10: who I love you, dearly, it's time to go ahead

885
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 10: and say, well, guess what, Financially we can't go ahead

886
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 10: and get the guy. You might go get a Mike

887
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 10: Evans about it because he's thirty might get him the cheap,

888
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 10: but at the same time, his goal we have in

889
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 10: this case here, I'm sorry to see it again. I

890
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 10: need to be redundant, but I want to bring Dan Olowski.

891
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 8: In as my offensive coordinator.

892
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 10: Let him stay here and Josh Allen and and let

893
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 10: him move forward. Thank you so much, Steve, Steve, Chris,

894
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 10: you my guys.

895
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: I love you so much.

896
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 10: But God bless your families, and thank you so much

897
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 10: for everything for taking my call. And I love w Jen.

898
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 5: I love the same, and I love you.

899
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 10: You have a good day.

900
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: So but basically he wants a new offensive coordinator and

901
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 3: and he's okay with the youth movement. Yeah, he didn't

902
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: get in too much of why you're not getting Mike

903
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 3: Evans for cheap, just so you know, right, Yeah, yeah,

904
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: I get that too. I think hist was he was

905
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: trying to make it. Yeah, it was a little bit hyperbole.

906
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: He's not you're not getting Mike Evans. But and he

907
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 3: said he understood that too when he said it. But yeah, okay,

908
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna you don't want to bring Dan Orlowski in

909
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: with some young players.

910
00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 7: I don't know.

911
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 3: Dan's never been a coach.

912
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's walking into a coordinator's job.

913
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: Maybe a quarterbacks coaching job he could walk into. I

914
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: can see that, and you know you help the OC

915
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: on the staff. But let me say this, guys, don't

916
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: walk into those jobs.

917
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: I don't listen. We all love Josh. He's great and

918
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: he deserves every good thing that comes to him, including

919
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 3: an MVP if he gets it now or in the future.

920
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: But when you got Josh on your team, your offensive

921
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: coordinator is going to look pretty good. We already lost

922
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: one to a head coaching job, and Brian day Boll

923
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: we're getting another one who is getting interviewed now with

924
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: Joe Brady taking interviews as head coach. That's what happens

925
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: when you when.

926
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 4: You there are no non jumpers.

927
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: Everybody's looking for upward mobility in the coaching profession, so

928
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: you're never gonna have a non jumper.

929
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: Right, And that's why some coaches like Andy Reid, he

930
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: calls plays because he ain't He's not gonna get poached.

931
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: You know, That's why Kyle Shanahan calls his own place.

932
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: He's not going to get pached. Now, guys on his staff,

933
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: will Mike McDaniel, you know, and others. You know, Cliff Kingsbury,

934
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: all these guys, Sean, Sean McVay, all these guys get

935
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: poached off his But he's the guy called the plays though.

936
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 3: It's gonna be some continuity there. That's just the way

937
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: it is. And I so that, And that's why Sean McDermott,

938
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: his defensive coordinator, can get poached because it's him. That's

939
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: the way it is.

940
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 4: Now.

941
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: There are assistants on Buffalo staff that are getting interviewed

942
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 2: for or permission to interview for defensive coordinator positions. Grab

943
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: Babbage with the Giants, Eric Washington with the Bears. Yeah,

944
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: there's no way to protect losing members of your staff.

945
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 2: And if anything, it means you're hiring the right people.

946
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: If people are looking to hire them for promoted roles

947
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: or elevated roles. You just got to hope you can

948
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: keep hiring quality people to fill vacancies if and when

949
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 2: they come about.

950
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 4: And that's just the way the profession works.

951
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: There's no way to eliminate players or coaches moving off

952
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: your staf half. If they're good, they're gonna get promotions.

953
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: If not here elsewhere. It's just it's the way it is,

954
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: and coaches strive for up mobility so they can have

955
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: bigger roles, take on more responsibility, have more success, make

956
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 2: more money. It's just the way the whole thing works.

957
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: There's always gonna be churned. Gotta take a break here.

958
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: Our number two begins with the Hall of Famer Thurman

959
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Thomas gonna join us in studio when we return here

960
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

961
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 4: It's Buffalo Bill's Radios.

962
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: This the One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health.

963
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: All right, Chris Brown, see it's asking with you hour

964
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: number two on a Thursday, and joining us in studios

965
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer Therm and Thomas as uh. Them's

966
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: got a little bit of seasonal depression now that the

967
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: season's over and the weather's crummy, as is typically the

968
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: case here in January.

969
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 4: But thanks for coming in there. I appreciate it.

970
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 12: Uh.

971
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 13: Anytime you did you listen to any.

972
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: Of Brandon Being or Sean McDermott earlier this week? Did

973
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: you hear anything or no? Were you just still in mourning?

974
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 7: Yeah?

975
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: Still? No, I was over it after the game.

976
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: Oh you were over it?

977
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 13: Was over it after the game. Yeah, I've been kind of.

978
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: I mean like.

979
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 13: I've been kind of depressed. I mean really, I mean,

980
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 13: I don't know if one of my good friends, Michael

981
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 13: High is gonna come back.

982
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 14: Probably not Jordan Fourya. You know, those were my two guys,

983
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 14: and I've always talked about those two guys on this

984
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 14: show since they got here. And it's been what seven years.

985
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 3: It's been a really great run for those two guys

986
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: that I know.

987
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 14: You know, we hired Sean and then you know, we

988
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 14: broke the drought and then we got Josh.

989
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 15: But those two guys right there have been the mainstays

990
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 15: of this organization, building a culture, seeing guys come in,

991
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 15: you know, and and guys leave and being replaced with guys.

992
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 4: And man, I just.

993
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 13: Man, I've actually been just been thinking about those two.

994
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, I really.

995
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 14: Have, because over the years, you know, you don't like,

996
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 14: you don't know how you're gonna come into a relationship

997
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 14: with two guys that are new to Buffalo.

998
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 13: And I kind of knew Michael a little bit coming

999
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 13: from Green Base.

1000
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 14: So I can't you kind of know what kind of

1001
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 14: culture that was down there, you know, but him coming here, man,

1002
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 14: and he embraced it. He has his foundation. He does

1003
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 14: the softball Jordan Poyer has a golf tournament now, and

1004
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 14: you know, a couple of years ago, probably one of

1005
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 14: the hardest decisions he ever made was coming out and

1006
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 14: talk about this alcohol.

1007
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 13: I mean, this has been a lot. And with all

1008
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 13: of that, these guys have stayed the same and they

1009
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 13: have produced.

1010
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: Here started young f Yeah, I'll say this too.

1011
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: Here's what one of the other kind of hallmarks of

1012
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: why you know we kind of love him so much

1013
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: in my opinion, because when they got here, we you know,

1014
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: we were in the middle of the drought. We were

1015
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: you know, we were hopeless, right, you know we were.

1016
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: Then those two guys get here and all of a sudden,

1017
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: you get people like Bill Belichick and they start winning games,

1018
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 3: and other teams around the league, other head coaches, Bill

1019
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: Belichick being the main one, and then others as well, saying,

1020
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 3: let me tell you something, the Bills, those safeties are problem.

1021
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 3: They're they're a real problem. First time we had anything

1022
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: take pride in for decade and a half, we had

1023
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: nothing to like like hang our hat on it. But

1024
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: those two guys show up and it's like Bill's got

1025
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: some guys the first time.

1026
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, I can remember, like I think it was after

1027
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 14: the game. Well, Bellichick was talking to Michael after he

1028
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 14: picked off a pick and the end zon He was like,

1029
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 14: how did you see it?

1030
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: Did you see?

1031
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1032
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 3: Exactly, and Michael goes, he telegraphed it. He telegraphed he

1033
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: Mikeah thought about it for a half second. He goes,

1034
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: he telegraphed his throw. I saw it. I saw it

1035
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: a half second. He was looking at him a half

1036
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: second before he threw it, and I saw it, you know,

1037
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: I remember that. And it was but that those two

1038
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: guys more so than any more than Josh maybe not

1039
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: maybe not as much as McDermott. But when when they

1040
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 3: signed those two guys, it was like I didn't know,

1041
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: like safeties, what safety?

1042
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: Not a pastor the pastors her corner, Like why that

1043
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: big like like Julio jun safeties I never heard of, right, Yeah, and.

1044
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: Then they show up.

1045
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 13: It's like dude, yeah, And I knew from the day

1046
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 13: that he signed.

1047
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 14: Here, Aaron Rodgers sent out a tweet about, man, this

1048
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 14: is what we should not have let go.

1049
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 13: If he was talking about Mike.

1050
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 2: Hot I was like, we must have and the signing

1051
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: of those two players should be a lesson in terms

1052
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: of what the Bills should do now they have an

1053
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 2: aging team. They were in the top eight oldest teams

1054
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: in football this year, and I think we can all

1055
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: agree that some players were closer to the end of

1056
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: their careers than their prime.

1057
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: And so.

1058
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: You heard Brandon Bean say it earlier this week. With

1059
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: their cap situation and with older players aging out, so

1060
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: to speak, they're going to have to depend on youth

1061
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: a lot more next year than they have in the

1062
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: last several years. My question to you them is how

1063
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: does that grab you knowing you're probably gonna have to

1064
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: depend on players more, you know, like maybe a Kyrie

1065
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: Elam or a Kingsley Jonathan at pass rusher. Young players

1066
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: are gonna have to be on the field more because

1067
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: you can't afford to pay high priced free agents. And

1068
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean said, we got to hit on this draft class.

1069
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean you might have two three rookies on the

1070
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: field too. What are your thoughts about that?

1071
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 14: Well, I mean it's gonna be a I think we

1072
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 14: kind of saw this coming a little bit, yeah, because

1073
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 14: now it's going to be Okay, Well, you got this

1074
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 14: young football team, when are we going to see them

1075
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 14: step up?

1076
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 13: In like a big time meaningful game. When will that be's?

1077
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 14: But I'm talking about now you got to replace some

1078
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 14: guys on the defensive side. Who's going to be those

1079
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 14: guys that because it's going to happen. And but the

1080
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 14: one thing that we do have, we do have seventeen

1081
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 14: to keep that offense going.

1082
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do have that.

1083
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 14: We have to line and offensive line. Yeah, and maybe

1084
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 14: need something or whatever it may be, but you have seventeen.

1085
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 14: Now you're probably looking at Okay, how far are the

1086
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 14: Dolphins going fall? What about the Jets? Are they gonna

1087
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 14: come back up? Are we gonna have our opportunity to

1088
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 14: win that division? Are we going to be the seventh

1089
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 14: seed for a couple of years until those players get

1090
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 14: into you year two in year three where they will

1091
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 14: be advanced and then you can keep compete a little

1092
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 14: bit more for that number one and number two seeds.

1093
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Chiefs had to turn their roster

1094
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 4: over defensively. Two years ago.

1095
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: They drafted three corners in one draft and one in

1096
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: All Pro, one y ones in All Pro, and the

1097
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: other two start. So they flipped it went through they

1098
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: took some lumps, you know, in the first half of

1099
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: the year last year with a lot of rookies on

1100
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: the field for them defensively, but good coaches develop players

1101
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: quickly and if you give them opportunities, it's the fastest

1102
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: way to learn. They did that and they're making interceptions

1103
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship game last year. So that's the

1104
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: move that the Bills have to turn to now, specially defensively.

1105
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 4: To your point them.

1106
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: At the same time, there is a general consensus that

1107
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: you have to get alpha dog type weapon outside at receiver.

1108
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is entering his age thirty one season, and

1109
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: each of the last two years his production has dropped

1110
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: off precipitously in the second half of the season. Now

1111
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: we can all speculate as to why that is, and

1112
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: there are probably a multitude of reasons why. But I

1113
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: think you have to get somebody in the pipeline here

1114
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: that's capable of being the alpha dog receiver. If not

1115
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: at the first half of next season, certainly by the

1116
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: second half of next season, you know when they're I

1117
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: think it's logical to assume that Diggs's production is going

1118
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: to drop off again. So that is going to require

1119
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: early investment in the draft at that position. You want

1120
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: to get a guy that's going to be ready right now?

1121
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 14: I mean, well, we're gonna get Yeah, we're gonna get

1122
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 14: a guy, right, I mean, but if we can get

1123
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 14: Harrison Junia, I'd love to get it.

1124
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 13: Well, that's so far.

1125
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: They're already projecting seven receivers in round one, which would

1126
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: tie the record for most in the first round of

1127
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: a draft.

1128
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 4: Whe Where are we hitting? We're twenty eight?

1129
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 13: Who can be that seventh guy?

1130
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1131
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 14: Who can be that sixth guy? Because it's twenty eight?

1132
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 14: So do you take a chance at GM that likes

1133
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 14: to move up.

1134
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: Let's not forget that he go back in time.

1135
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: So you get drafted like the second pick of the

1136
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: second round, right, second seventh pick. Seventh pick of the

1137
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: second round. Yeah, okay, we pick you. You don't sit

1138
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 3: around on the bench your rookie season. And I said

1139
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: this too, and I was as a young player. For me,

1140
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 3: I was in Houston at the time. We were talking

1141
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: about this earlier in the show. You man, you just

1142
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: let me on the field, just give me a chance

1143
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: to do it. And it's a fun thing to think

1144
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: about these guys coming in and being that. But also

1145
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: Brownie's right, we just got off a season that was

1146
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: it seemed like it was from this end, seemed like

1147
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 3: he's nine years long. This season is like we were

1148
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: six and six and like, oh my god. You know

1149
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: it's a heavy lift, right, Yeah, it's it seems easy

1150
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: for us to sit here and say, listen, the guy

1151
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: you start as a rookie wide receiver in week one

1152
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: is going to be a completely different guy week sixteen,

1153
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen. Speak to that as you are a guy

1154
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 3: who played like day one, snap one, you're getting the ball.

1155
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I I knew coming in, like I wasn't

1156
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 14: the focal point. I could actually help the scene because

1157
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 14: Jim was a guy. Jim was a guy, and Andre

1158
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 14: was a guy. And even though at that time they

1159
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 14: could be the guy, they didn't need me to be

1160
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 14: the guy just in certain players or certain situations. But

1161
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 14: it was Jim and really at that point it was

1162
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 14: probably an offensive line. Even in back in nineteen eighty eight,

1163
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 14: they were probably the strongest point. So you know, I'm

1164
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 14: looking at Jim Bruce Andre task I'm like, I just

1165
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 14: got to fit in and kind of do my job.

1166
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 13: But then the following year, Rob Briddy got hurt.

1167
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 14: During the preseason and they were like, oh, you're the

1168
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 14: pass catching guy, so now I'm it now, right, But

1169
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 14: you're like, you know what I did. I went through

1170
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 14: it my first year. I saw how Jim, I saw Andre,

1171
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 14: I saw how Bruce working. I'm like, okay, well I

1172
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 14: got to start working like that to get better.

1173
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1174
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: But but the lessons on the field also serves a

1175
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: purpose for you too, because you come in year two

1176
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: and you're like, all right, I can handle this.

1177
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 13: Like I mean, the lessons learn. It's tour days. You're

1178
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 13: going against Carneus and there you better get better. You

1179
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 13: better get better. And and I think with the way the.

1180
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 14: Collective bargain agreement is set up right now, those days

1181
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 14: are over with as far as hitting and tour days

1182
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 14: all that and right, and so you're you're not gonna

1183
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 14: have that that really fice competition we were that you

1184
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 14: would normally see. And so I think now with that,

1185
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 14: it takes a little bit longer development for those young

1186
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 14: players because they're not engaged as much as receiver.

1187
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: Receiver is one position though where we've seen guys hit

1188
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: the ground running right from there, well, I mean Garrett Wilson,

1189
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: because it's right out of the shoot.

1190
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: But there's some horrible quarterback. There's a reason though, there's

1191
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: a reason for that wide receiver spot is probably the

1192
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: least physical player on the on the team, on either team.

1193
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: You don't get you can catch the ball and get tackled,

1194
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: all of that, but that's football. It's the least physically

1195
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 3: demanding of any position. That's why he plays seven on

1196
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: seven out there. And even you know, you you see

1197
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: guys run out of bounds, you know, take a hit.

1198
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: It's the least physically taxing position except for the fact

1199
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: that you run a lot and like running back Thurman, I,

1200
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: you know, the therma would take a pound. He was

1201
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: like a you know, it's like energizer, bunny Man, the guy.

1202
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: You know, those guys at that spot get hit every

1203
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: every play, every like offensive linemen every play, linebackers every play, Like.

1204
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 14: I usuld tell Jim, Jim, when you drop back, four

1205
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 14: to six guys are after you. When when you give

1206
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 14: me the ball, eleven guys are after me.

1207
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 13: Right, it's a totally different thing.

1208
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 7: Right.

1209
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 3: So, and the way that we were trying, the five

1210
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: presidents were texting about this the other day. Guys are

1211
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: gonna start playing having longer more productive careers deeper into

1212
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: their careers because of the CBA and what he was saying,

1213
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: the player protect the player protection, the rules in the

1214
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: off season, the rules during season, the padded practices, limitations,

1215
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. They're gonna start playing and you

1216
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: got them. Now. Brady played until he's forty five. Forty four.

1217
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 4: Ben some more games though, and I forget that.

1218
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: No, there's not. There's less preseason games, more regular season games.

1219
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: So there's game which is more taxing. Right. Nevertheless, nevertheless,

1220
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: you get more by weeks as well, you get more rest.

1221
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: There's also more teams playing postseason two two more teams

1222
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: in the postseason with more players playing in the post So.

1223
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: There's a bigger number of guys, but it's not more

1224
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: rep than anybody.

1225
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 4: They've added more.

1226
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 14: Players, and there's more Players's forty six now there's fifty three.

1227
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: Yes, and I'll say this too, that what you said,

1228
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: the expanded rosters is the only way I got a

1229
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: chance to play in the NFL. That's the only way.

1230
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 14: Now you got ninety and it goes a full preseason

1231
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 14: right right the cutdown.

1232
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: And you have sixty nine guys in the building all

1233
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 3: the time. You got fourteen practice squad guys, and you

1234
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: got the whatever, the fifty three and the man fifty

1235
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: three rosters, So you got sixty nine guys you can

1236
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: choose from those expanded rosters. Now you've got professional special

1237
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 3: teams players from nineteen eighty two on when the league

1238
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 3: they got bigger. So it's all it's hard for these

1239
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: young guys. All this we're talking about is hard for

1240
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 3: these young guys to come in. Denver was horrible defensively

1241
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: for six weeks, seven weeks they were giving up seventy points.

1242
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 3: But then after they started getting some tackling and some

1243
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 3: live rep all of a sudden.

1244
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 13: They're pretty good.

1245
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: They're pretty good. Those live reps in the game are

1246
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: the only way you can develop at some of these positions.

1247
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 3: Not wide receiver, but some of these positions.

1248
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with that in mind, draft a wide receiver early,

1249
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: knowing you have a better chance of getting that guy

1250
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: on the field sooner rather than later.

1251
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, you get what I'm saying. Yeah, No,

1252
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 3: these guys out there, you know, they're.

1253
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 14: Like, yeah, like this, you don't everybody know, like, you know,

1254
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 14: we might not have game. You know, I want the

1255
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 14: office that had what digs at over one hundred catchers?

1256
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 14: Be's the head over one hundred catches.

1257
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 4: You gotta get back to the high flying football.

1258
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 13: That's what I want to see.

1259
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 4: Well, that's how you maximize, Josh, That's how.

1260
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 13: You max exactly.

1261
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 14: And so I'm just just thinking about this Kansas City

1262
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 14: game and like specno, you right, defensive coordinator.

1263
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: It wasn't even rushing Josh. He you see these two

1264
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 4: defensive tackles just standing there.

1265
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 14: Just standing there, nothing, nothing, and everything was within fourteen

1266
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 14: of fifteen yards.

1267
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 13: You can say all you want to about the deep

1268
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 13: throws that mayorship have.

1269
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 14: Been caught or may not been caught, should have been coming,

1270
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 14: but they haven't hit on a deep throw in.

1271
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: Eight weeks, yeah, longest.

1272
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 14: And it was and I would say it was a

1273
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 14: catchable football, but it wasn't where Josh would normally.

1274
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: Throw the football.

1275
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 13: Which one are we talking about talking about digs?

1276
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 4: Well, that one went sixty three yards in the air.

1277
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 14: So dude, and we've seen him throw the ball like

1278
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 14: that before and it's been on a die and it's

1279
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 14: been on a die.

1280
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 4: And hit him in the hands.

1281
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: Okay, well you gotta catch it. I mean, I get it.

1282
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: It's a tough cat sick man. I'm tell you, wait

1283
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: a minute.

1284
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it feels like it's coming out of the

1285
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: sky when it's sixty three yards.

1286
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 4: I'll give you that.

1287
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 13: Even with that, we still had an opportunity to win

1288
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 13: the game.

1289
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 14: Yeah, So forget the catch, forget the noun catch or drops,

1290
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 14: but we still had an opportunity.

1291
01:06:59,280 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 4: To win the game.

1292
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 13: And you and you, I can go on, but I'm not.

1293
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 2: Longest play of the game for the Bills was eighteen

1294
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: yards and it was a Josh Allen scramble. He had

1295
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: two of the longest plays from scrimmage on scrambles eighteen

1296
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: and twelve yards.

1297
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: Listen, I don't care what it was gonna look like.

1298
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Speaker 3: I mean, I get it. We met. They still had

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: a chance to win it, and you gotta take those chances.

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 3: And that's it, and that's to be and you got

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01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 3: to take and you don't have to make snap off

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 3: a ninety eight yard bomb to win a game.

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01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 13: But the point I'm.

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: Trying to make is you have to have at least

1305
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: you have to at least have that element in your offense.

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01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: I get it, brownie, but listen, even if you don't

1307
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: hit it, they still got to defend it, and that's

1308
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 3: what they're going to defend that, whether you hit it

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01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: or not. So everything else becomes open if they've got

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01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: that covered because they know you will throw it. Now

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01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: that you think those guys are out there going, man, man,

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: I knew we had that. They're going, Holy I'm glad

1313
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 3: he dropped that. That's what they're saying.

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 14: So it was still eight minutes ago on in that

1315
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 14: play when that play first it Yeah, exactly, And we

1316
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 14: should be talking about the last.

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01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 13: Two players before the miss field goal than anything.

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 14: So that's why I say with the with the dance

1319
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 14: catch is it's no brain.

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01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 13: You can talk about it all day. Well you get

1321
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 13: down there into where we were. Come on, man, we

1322
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 13: gotta run better plays than that.

1323
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 14: We're total should have been, Josh, And you know, look,

1324
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 14: I want this team to win better than anybody. I mean,

1325
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 14: I want them to I want them to win. I

1326
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 14: want to hug Sean mcdermoty and Terry and the whole

1327
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 14: family and say thank you, well, thank you. But it

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 14: was it did not look like a championship team at

1329
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 14: the last two player of the game.

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this and we get this all the time.

1331
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: We we're in the weeds now because we I don't know,

1332
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: I don't know how we started this conversation. I'm taking

1333
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 3: it first. I'm going deeper into the weeds that you're

1334
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: talking about. The last two plays before the funer. That's

1335
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 3: what all the these games are coming down to. And

1336
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 3: that's why the Bills are gonna be in the conversation

1337
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 3: every single year because the game there and that's why

1338
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 3: we've had this ongoing conversations about the refs. I'll go

1339
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 3: off on it one more time. The reason everybody's upset

1340
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 3: about the officials is because you got all these games

1341
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: coming down to three points with a field goal or

1342
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 3: a miss two point conversion, a lack of two guys

1343
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 3: on Detroit not reporting the right way, and the official

1344
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 3: not do. It comes down to like one play in

1345
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 3: these games, one and that and so everybody whoever's involved

1346
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: in it gets blamed or credit or whatever. And that's

1347
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 3: that's it. So you can go to the last two

1348
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 3: plays of this game when Joshould hit Digs on the

1349
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: underneath instead of trying to or just tuck it and

1350
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: run and get it your all that stuff.

1351
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: Everybody's talking about this underneath rout and yes, Diggs is open.

1352
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: They got three guys across the field at the sticks,

1353
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: three defenders like go back and look at it.

1354
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 13: One mission, that's what coach is still one mission and

1356
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 13: it's still third down.

1357
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 3: In four So anyway, anyway, even if he gets it, okay,

1358
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 3: it's first and ten on the what on the on

1359
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 3: the nineteen? Yeah, okay, Well he still ain't scored. There's

1360
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 3: a lot of football to play. And you know, I

1361
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: mean this, these two teams, it ain't over until it's

1362
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: double zeros and Pat Mahomes has thrown his helmet. Oh,

1363
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 3: then it's over.

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 13: You think we're upset and mad? Now Lake Kansas City

1365
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 13: be Baltimore this weekend. See how upset we'll be.

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01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll say this, Yeah yeah, I mean it's

1367
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: way it's gonna be. That's the that's the world we

1368
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: live in. We are gonna be. We're gonna be if

1369
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: we don't win it. We're gonna be this close for

1370
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 3: the foreseeable future. That's that's where they're at. And right

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01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: now we're just this close, and it's entirely frustrating. We're

1372
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 3: like we're pulling our hand, pulling my brownie brown. He's

1373
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 3: rubbing his head were we're this closed and we're gonna stay.

1374
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna stay this close until we get that much further.

1375
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 13: To that youth that we talked about. It's a little

1376
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 13: bit older.

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 2: Well, maybe we might be pleasantly surprised by you. I'll

1378
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: say this, yeah, because there's one thing about youth they

1379
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: don't know any better.

1380
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: They can surprise you.

1381
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 4: There's no reason to be what's the pressure? And I

1382
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: think this is the when you.

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01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: This is not a bad place to be right now,

1384
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 3: since the season's over all that right now as a

1385
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: Bills fan, because I'm I really I haven't thought about

1386
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 3: it in these terms until this conversation. We're gonna be

1387
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: this close for as far as the eye can see, absolutely,

1388
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: and we're gonna be back. We may be back here

1389
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 3: next year after three point loss. They can't see the

1390
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: Chiefs in our building or that we may be here again.

1391
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, We're gonna have the bat

1392
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 3: in our hands looking at the pitch right so we're

1393
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 3: not going anywhere. I don't care about young wide receivers, drafting,

1394
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 3: defensive line. Probably we're gonna be right there.

1395
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean Look, they've been looking at players since

1396
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 14: training camp, scouting players in college or whatever, and you know,

1397
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 14: they probably knew that this was coming, so they've already

1398
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 14: done their homework. You know, they're gonna go down to

1399
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 14: the Senior Bowl and scout guys down there. So I mean,

1400
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 14: it's no surprise about what we're talking about or what

1401
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 14: we need or whatever.

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01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 13: They already know. They already know what we need and

1403
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 13: what we need to do.

1404
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 14: So hey, look, it's probably the most pressure I would

1405
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 14: probably say, you know what Brandon being in this scouting

1406
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 14: staff have on them this year.

1407
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 4: He said, we have to hit on this draft.

1408
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: You got to hit on it every year, but especially

1409
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: this year because he knows that a little handcuffed in

1410
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: the free agency because the cap situation.

1411
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 3: Say this to there's gonna be plenty of good football

1412
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 3: players out there to choose from, and they're gonna have

1413
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons to want to be here in

1414
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 3: this building. McDermott Shawn, Uh, you know, Josh Allen, I

1415
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 3: want to come here. Yeah.

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01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 5: Right.

1417
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of guys that are looking

1418
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 3: like yeah, like because because they see what we see

1419
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 3: and the Bill's gonna be right there and if you

1420
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 3: want to go to a team that is absolutely going

1421
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 3: to be in the conversation at the end of it.

1422
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 3: This is where you're gonna be watch.

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: Your park, baby, Therm, thanks for coming in as always,

1424
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: appreiate and by enjoy the off season.

1425
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 4: I try to apparently exhausted around me.

1426
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 2: Get you put your feet up and put you know,

1427
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: buy an ottoman and a recliner or something here.

1428
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 13: I can't, I can't do it.

1429
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: That's Therm and Thomas the Hall of Famer joining us

1430
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: here in studio. We will take a break, be back

1431
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 2: with more, including your phone calls. Here on One Bills Live,

1432
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: presented by co Lout of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1433
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

1434
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 4: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

1435
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: Right back to the phone as we go where we've

1436
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: had some people waiting patiently to Dan in Angola.

1437
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 4: Next, what's up Dan?

1438
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 5: Just keep it simple, don't babble on on one.

1439
01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 8: Do we get under the cap?

1440
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 5: Yeahfter we have money to spun instead of we're over

1441
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 5: every year?

1442
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah bye.

1443
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 2: By rule, you have to be under the cap before

1444
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: the start of the new league year, which is March thirteenth,

1445
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: this year, so they have to find their way to

1446
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: move forty three million dollars in projected salary off of

1447
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 2: their cap.

1448
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: Right now, it's going to get under and it's actually

1449
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: probably going to be along to the tune of seventy million,

1450
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: because they got to get at least that much under

1451
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: the cap to do business throughout the year.

1452
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 2: They need fifteen million for their draft class because they

1453
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: have ten picks, or they're projected to have ten picks,

1454
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 2: provided they get the third round compensatory for the loss

1455
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 2: of Tremaine Edmunds. And then you need another fifteen million

1456
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: or so to do free agent business of some kind,

1457
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 2: probably a budgetary free agent business. So yeah, March thirteenth

1458
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: is the day they've got to be under an in

1459
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: cap compliance.

1460
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 4: Let's go to Judy in Buffalo. Next. What do you got, Judy?

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01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 12: You know, I don't even know why we're talking defense.

1462
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 12: Your defense can be adequate or aggressive if you have

1463
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 12: an offense that can score thirty to thirty five points

1464
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 12: per game. For two years, I have complained that they

1465
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 12: did not do anything to help Josh and to take

1466
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 12: advantage of this elite quarterback. Next, I don't know why

1467
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 12: the Bills fans are so disappointed. Except for two bloop

1468
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 12: plays in the Miami game, we wouldn't even have a

1469
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 12: home game in the playoffs. Secondly, if not for all

1470
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 12: funnel into the end zone, Kansas City would have won

1471
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 12: that game by ten points. So, you know, the Bills

1472
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 12: fans need to step back and say, hey, we really

1473
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,480
Speaker 12: did well this year, much better than I ever expected.

1474
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 3: All right, Judy, then there's a lot in that, and

1475
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 3: you're probably right, particularly at this end of it. You

1476
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 3: can sit here and say and see why, particularly with

1477
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 3: the way the Bills defense was situated personnel wise, Kansas

1478
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 3: City was better on Sunday. That doesn't you know, that

1479
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 3: doesn't mean the Bills couldn't have won, no question about it.

1480
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 3: We've seen that one hundred times. And certainly the way

1481
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: the Bills closed out the regular season with all the

1482
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: injuries they had defensively is something to be trumpeted. They

1483
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 3: did well, and there's a lot to be positive about

1484
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 3: with the Bills team, no question. And I'll say this,

1485
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 3: You're not alone in your assessment of what it's like

1486
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 3: to play defense or offense in the NFL these days.

1487
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 3: Look at why the criticism of the Green Bay Packers

1488
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 3: In the last few years of Aaron Rodgers' tenure, there

1489
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 3: a guy who was a four time MVP. All they

1490
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 3: ever said was they never gave him really any They

1491
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 3: never had a number one wide receiver, he never had

1492
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 3: a first round draft pick a wide receiver. They never

1493
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: got him one of those guys, and the guy enough

1494
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 3: weapons in general, the guy was a four time MVP

1495
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 3: Without all that, Ben Roethlisberger made a lot of guys

1496
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: who were fifth and sixth and eighth round picks, like

1497
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: Antonio Brown and the like. A lot of them became

1498
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 3: really good players because Ben Roethlisberger was throwing to him.

1499
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 3: The philosophy can be in the NFL if you got

1500
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 3: that guy like a Pat Mahomes and who's Kansas City

1501
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 3: gutted the receiver room over the last two years and

1502
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: he's still going to the championship game. Same thing that

1503
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 3: happened with Aaron Rodgers. With Pat Mahomes. There have been

1504
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 3: other guys who teams have Tom Brady for all those

1505
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 3: years in New England. If you've got that guy, he's

1506
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 3: good enough to make those guys good enough. You know

1507
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, So why worry about defense? And the

1508
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 3: thought is they gout that side of the offense to

1509
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: give them defensive players so they can make plays against him.

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 3: If you want to go the other way, which is

1511
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: what Brownie and I are sitting here saying, maybe they

1512
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 3: should try it. Load that side up so nobody can

1513
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 3: hang with you.

1514
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 4: Go the other way.

1515
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 3: Go the other way. Give the guys.

1516
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 4: Somebody to throw to who can catch it in a

1517
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: big spot.

1518
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 3: And see what you got because in this last two games,

1519
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 3: last two years, and you're right, Judy, we're in the

1520
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 3: same spot we were two years ago. Last year, after

1521
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 3: the season, we thought, man after the Cincinnati Bengals came

1522
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: in here and lumped them up pretty good, said we're

1523
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 3: in an arms race. We got to we gotta have

1524
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 3: firepower offensively. Well, Deontay Hardy and Trent Srfield weren't quite

1525
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 3: the electra we wanted him to be.

1526
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 2: And Gabe Davis Well Kincaid was a good ad right

1527
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 2: because you missed the receiver run.

1528
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 3: Here and Cook emerged as draft picks. But we're still

1529
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 3: sitting there going, you know, when you know the guy

1530
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 3: at least for two So I'm kind of with you

1531
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: on this, Judy.

1532
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: The only reason we're talking about defense today is because

1533
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: of what Brandon Being and Sean McDermott said. They know

1534
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 2: they've got work to do because on the defensive line alone,

1535
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: eight of their twelve players are free agents. Just from

1536
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 2: a numbers standpoint, you're gonna need to add there because you.

1537
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 4: Don't have enough people. So that's why we pose the

1538
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 4: question today.

1539
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 2: It's not because we think they need to do more

1540
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: significant work over there, but just from a numbers standpoint,

1541
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 2: three quarters of your defensive line room is out the

1542
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 2: door on expiring contracts. So just by sheer numbers, they've

1543
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: got a lot of work to do at two positions,

1544
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: by the way, that do not come cheap. I mean

1545
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: those are expensive positions. I mean just look at the

1546
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 2: franchise tags from last year alone defensive tackle and this

1547
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 2: is the top This is the average of the top

1548
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: ten salaries in the league at the position last year.

1549
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: Defensive tackle eighteen to nine, defensive end nineteen to seven.

1550
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: So even if you get a middle of the road guy,

1551
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 2: you could be talking double digits in millions of dollars.

1552
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 4: They don't have that money to spend.

1553
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: This offseason, so they're gonna have to get really creative

1554
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: to fill out the roster. On the defensive side of

1555
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: the ball, especially if you want to give the offense

1556
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: the attention you feel it should get to put them

1557
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: in a thirty five points per game category. That's that's

1558
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: the challenge this offseason for Brandon being in his personnel department.

1559
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones and we go to

1560
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: Ron in northtowna Wanda.

1561
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 5: What do you got, Ron, Hi, Christmas Steve. I think

1562
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 5: you guys do a great job on the show, and

1563
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 5: my question is why don't we be one. One of

1564
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 5: the questions is like New England when a guy, I

1565
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 5: know it's a business. Football is a business, and the

1566
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 5: front office being and everybody, they're gonna have to treat

1567
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 5: it as a business. And we can't keep all these

1568
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 5: aging players when they get close to their the end.

1569
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 5: The New England always got rid of the players and

1570
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 5: brought in draft choices, and oh you go.

1571
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 7: With draft choices.

1572
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 5: My other thing is Diggs did it again, not because

1573
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 5: he dropped the ball after the game. He didn't answer

1574
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 5: any questions. He disappeared and I read it. I was

1575
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 5: looking online yesterday just doing some you know, mock drafts

1576
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 5: to see who Buffalo might be drafting when they're going

1577
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 5: for and there was an article under the article by

1578
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 5: the article saying that if the Bills trade Stefan Diggs

1579
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 5: by June first, they can save fifteen million under the camp.

1580
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 5: Towards the camp and going forward, he is not a

1581
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 5: true number one anymore. And for the last when we

1582
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 5: were six and six going forward, what did he do?

1583
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 5: And one of the teams that would be interested in

1584
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 5: Diggs would be Dallas.

1585
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, why let me hold on a second ron while

1586
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: I you're talking about a post June first cut, which

1587
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 2: could reduce his dead cap. Okay, it would reduce it

1588
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: by fifteen million. You're still eating sixteen so it's not

1589
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 2: a savings. Instead of getting hit with a thirty one

1590
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: millillion dollars dead cap figure, you get hit with sixteen million,

1591
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: which quite frankly, I still don't think the Bills can afford.

1592
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: So I just want to make sure you fully understand

1593
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: what that means if you wait until after June first

1594
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: to cut him.

1595
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 5: No, no, I understand. But what has he done well?

1596
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 3: He's been an e leade receiver for the team for

1597
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 3: most of his career. He's had he had a bad

1598
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: last half of the season, and what makes you think

1599
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: Dallas wants.

1600
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 4: Him because his brother's there.

1601
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:34,560
Speaker 5: Because only two things. His brother's there, and according to

1602
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 5: the report was Jerry Jones does not like Gallup anymore

1603
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 5: and they misuse cooked and he would think Diggs would

1604
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 5: be fit in with LAMB so better than what they have.

1605
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. You didn't hear that from I

1606
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 3: don't think you might have heard that from a reporter,

1607
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 3: but you didn't hear that from anybody in the Dallas organization.

1608
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: I'll believe it when I hear Dallas say it because

1609
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 3: of people I would have that stuff.

1610
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 5: No, I would too, But if it's true, why not?

1611
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah listen, fine, yeah, fine it And.

1612
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 5: When it is Kansas City done?

1613
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 7: Where is there two?

1614
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 5: Number one wide out?

1615
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: Well, they replaced it with youth, which is where she

1616
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: rice And look, I don't disagree with a youth movement

1617
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: ron at all, and sorry, we got to move along.

1618
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with the youth movement at all, but

1619
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: I would hesitate and moving on from fourteen. Yeah, you

1620
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 2: want to talk to me about it next year, at

1621
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: this time, when the Bills can actually get out from

1622
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 2: under the contract.

1623
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 4: I'll listen to that. But because by then he'll be

1624
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 4: entering his age thirty two.

1625
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 3: So you also get you also get to the point

1626
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 3: here where say you could find somebody who wanted to

1627
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 3: trade for Stefan Diggs. You're not gonna get Stefan Diggs back.

1628
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 3: I mean a guy you're not gonna get even the

1629
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 3: less the second half of this season Stephan Digs back.

1630
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did come on towards the end of

1631
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,560
Speaker 2: the season. I mean, he played a big role in

1632
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: the win over Miami to win the division. You know,

1633
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 2: he had seven catches for eighty two yards, and you

1634
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: know Josh overthrows him when he's got Jalen Ramsey beat

1635
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: on a deep route for what would have been an

1636
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: eighty nine yard touchdown. So you know, I mean, look,

1637
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,839
Speaker 2: I'm just as disappointed as everybody else that Diggs's production

1638
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: has dropped off in the second half of the season

1639
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: for the second year in a row. But I don't

1640
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: think you I don't think you move on from him yet.

1641
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 2: You got you got too many vacancies in the receiver

1642
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: room already with Game Davis unlikely to be back. I

1643
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 2: don't think Trent Sherfield's coming back after that really didn't

1644
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: work this year, And you gotta wonder if Deontay Hardy's

1645
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: even going to be here, even though he has a

1646
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: year left on his contract, this team is going to

1647
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: be trying to save money on the cap. And I

1648
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 2: don't know that he's worth a four million dollar cap hit,

1649
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: so for the role that he played for you not

1650
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: to mention the fact that Nahim Hines is should be

1651
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 2: okay to come back next season from his ACL injury,

1652
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: there's your return.

1653
01:24:59,360 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 7: Man.

1654
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: What are you doing with Hardy at four and a

1655
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 2: half million? Yeah, you're using them to save money on

1656
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: the cap probably. I mean, I don't mean to be cruel,

1657
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: but business is business.

1658
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 3: Your free agent class is going to be guys coming

1659
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 3: back on veteran minimum deals. That's what That's what you're

1660
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 3: looking at numbers wise. Now, unless they pull you know,

1661
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 3: a ton of cap maneuvering, which they're going to have

1662
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 3: to do some of to just get compliant. We've seen

1663
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 3: him do it before, we did. They did it with Vaughn.

1664
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 3: Let's face it, that was out of the blue. They

1665
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 3: did it with Vaughn h So you know, they can

1666
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: still maybe do some of that. But as it stands

1667
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 3: right now, that might you know, that might keep the

1668
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 3: shovel in their hand and keep digging them a salary

1669
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 3: cap hole for next year.

1670
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he said he's gonna have to kick

1671
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: the can down the road a little bit again this

1672
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: year as they still are trying to recover from when

1673
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 2: the cap moved backwards sixteen million dollars on the COVID year.

1674
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 4: Let's go back to the phones and Tennico and Buffalo.

1675
01:25:59,080 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 4: What's up, Nico?

1676
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 16: Hey, it's going on, guys. A couple of points to

1677
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 16: make here, just listening, you know, on my hold. I

1678
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 16: you know, I always thought the cap was I mean,

1679
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 16: is it not just something where they could just turn

1680
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 16: somebody's salary into a bonus and then cap room just

1681
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 16: becomes a parent. I mean, I've seen that happen so

1682
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 16: many times. I just feel like it's the willingness of

1683
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 16: the owner to spend the money up front like that,

1684
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 16: you know. So I think they could probably do some

1685
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 16: new bring in that area.

1686
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 4: That's what they've been doing for Yeah.

1687
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you can't do that. Yes, that's outworks. But what

1688
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 3: would happen is you'd have to sooner or later, you've

1689
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 3: got to pay all that money. You've got to put

1690
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: all that money on the cap somewhere if if you

1691
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 3: pay the guy a bonus, that money comes off the

1692
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 3: cap either this year, the next year, the next year,

1693
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 3: or however long you put that contract out there. So yes,

1694
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 3: you can do that, but sooner or later, any money

1695
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 3: you get paid, you pay your players inuses is held

1696
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 3: against the cap in some year in the future. There's

1697
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 3: no getting around that. And that's you know, they can

1698
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 3: spread it out over the course of a five year contract.

1699
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: It gets cut into five separate pieces. But if that

1700
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 3: guy's cut anywhere in that five years, all what's left

1701
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 3: go right on that year's cap. So that's why there

1702
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: is a limitation to it.

1703
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, that's why they get paid the big bucks.

1704
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 16: That's what being makes so much money. I have faith

1705
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 16: in him to, you know, to put the best team

1706
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 16: that he can out there. I mean, when it comes

1707
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 16: to defense, I think McDermott has showed that he's able

1708
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 16: to take pieces that may not be starting pieces in

1709
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 16: the NFL and turn them into you know, a top

1710
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 16: a top end defense. So I'm not I'm not worried

1711
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 16: about that. I really do think that we should draft

1712
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 16: a wide receiver and take like you know, like look

1713
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 16: at the Green Bay Packers.

1714
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 3: They have.

1715
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 16: They don't even have a true number one. They just

1716
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 16: have a bunch of young, hungry wide receivers that are

1717
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 16: all very talented. I mean, I think Shakir versus Stefon

1718
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 16: Digs in the last ten games. It is this crazy

1719
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 16: staff that I saw where has thirty seven targets, it's

1720
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 16: has eighty and I think they.

1721
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 7: Nop.

1722
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 2: I think we lost Niko there. Sorry Nico, we're up

1723
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: against the break anyway. But yes, he did out gain

1724
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: him in yardage and did it on half the targets

1725
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 2: over the last ten games. Part of that is because

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01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 2: people are paying so much attention to Stefan Diggs. But yeah,

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01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 2: your point is well taken. Brandon Bean's done a good

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01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: job of managing the cap and still fielding a competitive roster.

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01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: We trust he'll be able to do that again, even

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01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: though the task might be harder this time around. Got

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Speaker 2: to take a break, Steve and I wrap it up

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Speaker 2: next here on One Bill's Love. All right, welcome back

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01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 2: to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve tasker with you

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01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: and talked a lot about things that are going to

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01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 2: have to be addressed on the defensive line. With eight

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01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 2: impending free agents out of the twelve players that manned

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01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: the defensive line for the Bills this season. And there

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01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 2: was also a lot of talk from the callers about

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01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 2: a youth movement, and I would say on the whole Steve,

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01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 2: most people are behind it, even Thurman Thomas who was

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01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: here in studio.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's easy to do that when you've

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01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 3: got you know, some youth that played really well this year.

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01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,799
Speaker 3: James Cook, Khalil Shakir Osiris, Torrance Dalton Incaid, Dalton Kincaid,

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01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 3: Terrell Bernard, guys we didn't know about when the season started,

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01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Christians Christian Benford has been a

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01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 3: huge surprise. So yeah, it's easy to get behind the

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01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 3: spot like that when you had some success doing it.

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01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 3: And I'm with you, Brownie, this coaching staff doesn't trust

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01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 3: itself enough to develop these guys. They do, but they

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01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: should take advantage of it because they're really good at it.

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01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 2: Put even more faith they're really the ability to teach.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow. We got Greg co Sell won

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Speaker 2: last time. We'll see it won

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Speaker 5: Three