1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mind ever 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: to walk the planet. Okay, sure, here's the deal. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: He's a true icon in every sense of the word. 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: He's loved and feared more than any being to Grace's planet. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: There's got a bed with a voice that sounds like 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Verry White and be got say hey, let's do it, baby. 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: You God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: a cameo. Fact of the matter is you are about 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: to embark on a transcendent experience that can only be 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: described as psychological nudity. This is Stugos and this is Stupidity. 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: Here we go, jump Hoad. 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 4: Welcome in to another episode of Stupotity, the biggest podcast 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: of the world. Thanks to you, Please subscribe, rate review, unsubscribed, resubscribe, re. 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 5: Rate, re review. 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: By doing that, you have made us biggest podcast in 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: the world. We are brought to you by our friends 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 4: over a DraftKings. We're very excited this week, Mike Ea, 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 4: we have a great Stupidity with Dan Shawn to see. 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: We have a great not good, a great god blutch football. 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: How about that. We're gonna have Andy Reid on this week. 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 6: The hell times yours. 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 5: Well, listen, the only reason we're getting him is because 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: of goll It. 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't care what we get from him. 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 7: All I really want to hear is him sit down, 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 7: completely out of breath to start the interview and say 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 7: times yours because that's how we started every press conference 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 7: and I cut like hundreds of them back when I 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 7: was a PA, and that's how he starts everyone. 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 6: I just want to hear it one time. 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: The only thing, the only thing I want to know 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: about Andy Reid is if he and his wife ever 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: had a picnic at an arrowhead. That's a were you 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: trying to say was his? Which perhaps I'm not saying anything, 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: but perhaps that's the reason there is I might not 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: be allowed to partake in the interview. I mean, I mean, 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: this is like a Golic deal. Listen, I got Andy 38 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 4: Reid on. It's a Goali deal. A couple of friends 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: cutting it up. I ain't one of their friends, all right, 40 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: it talk to me very quickly. Golic has a different 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: set of friends than I had. He and I are friends, okay, 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: but just like there is no friends by association. Just 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 4: because Golic is good friends with Andy Reid does not 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 4: mean Andy Reid's good friends with me, even though I'd 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 4: like to think that we are. 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 5: I don't know. 47 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 7: What what does Andy Reid bring to a picnic? You 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 7: have Andy Reid over on a pot luck type thing. 49 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 7: What does Andy Reid bring Ooh? 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 8: I say. 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 4: He doesn't bring the wine, and I think he leaves 52 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 4: up to someone else and he doesn't care if there 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 4: is wine, like he just wants a soda. 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 6: He brings to two leaders of Pepsi. 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: And Ridge, it's just saw them me why I might 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 4: not be able to partake? Oh yeah, I don't even 57 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: care at this point, at this phase of my career, 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: if Andy Reid wants to sit around with Mike Olik 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 4: and the two of them just cut it up and 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 4: I don't. 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: Have to do any work, and it airs on something 62 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 5: that belongs to me. 63 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good as long as Gohan's good. 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 4: I'm good as long as you're good at Billy's good. 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm good. We got good, all right, I'm good. 66 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,559 Speaker 4: We're gonna have Dan Shaughnessy on Life with Larry Bird Celtics. 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 5: Wish it lasted forever. 68 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: I'm gonna make fun of Dan Shaughnessy because I think 69 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: This is the third book he's written about the Celtics 70 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 4: in the eighties, and I maintained that he can write 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: five more and all of them will land than the 72 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: New York Times bestseller list. Yeah right, there's no like 73 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: he had to write this during the pandemic because there 74 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 4: was nothing else to do, and he knows in that city. 75 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 4: Shaughnessy is one of the great journalists we have in America. 76 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: He is He's been on our show before with me 77 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: and Levatard. He's fantastic. But man, did he lucked out geographically? 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: Because what I am telling you is this man can 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 4: fire up a Celtics eighties book whenever he wants, and 80 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 4: he will make millions of dollars. 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: He can write five more of a Mike. 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 6: We're not the same stories in different chats. 83 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but the same title. I'm telling you the 84 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: same exact stories. 85 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 4: You're right, change the chapters around, same title, all right, 86 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 4: Maybe one time you release it, you know, paperback, the 87 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: next time. 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: You do a hard copy. 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 4: I have both of them in my hand right now. 90 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 6: One where Larry's defending one where Larry's shootings at a 91 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 6: press conference. On the cover. 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 4: It's it's it's like an ATM it really is. So 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: I am wondering, Mike before we get to Shawnessy, who 94 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 4: I like a lot, and I will make fun of 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: them for this. One of their markets have that where 96 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: they have a team that the local you know, the 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: local writer can write about them anytime they want, and 98 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: they can. They can find themselves are Times bestseller list. 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: So let's just say this. You're showing us these third 100 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: Celtic book. I'm not certain that it is, but all 101 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: three are about the eighties Celtics, Okay, And so what 102 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: I'm wondering is, listen, we certainly don't have it down 103 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: here in Miami. 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: Like the undefeated season. That's it. 105 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: Greg Cody wrote the last book on it, all right, 106 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 4: and it's like ten thousand on Amazon. Right, people are 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: done with it with the undefeated Dolphins. You have a 108 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: market because I maintained it's Boston. You can write about 109 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 4: the Red Sox, you can write about these Patriots, you 110 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 4: can write about probably the Bruins, and you can certainly 111 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 4: write about the Celtics. So if you're a writer in Boston, 112 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: you've got it made. You can fire up a book 113 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 4: whatever you want. What do you got? 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 6: All right? 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 7: So immediately came to mind was the Super Bowl winning 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 7: Super Bowl One Packers. 117 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 4: Okay, so you maintain whoever's writing in Green Bay can 118 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 4: fire up a book about those packer teams whenever they want, 119 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 4: and they will find themselves in the New York Times bestsellers. 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: I'll tell you one step further. They can write a 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: book about Far. They can write a book about Rogers, 122 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: They can write a book about that entire era. 123 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: They can do whatever, and they will sell it. 124 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: Out in five seconds. Okay, Okay, Green Betty is an 125 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: excellent one. 126 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 6: But you like eighty five Bears. 127 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 7: That's pretty good, the eighty five Bears, and then anything 128 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 7: about Roger Federer because of hashtag team fed. 129 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: You're right, you might want to fact check this, But 130 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: I feel like Rick Tellender has written seventeen books about 131 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 4: the eighty five Bears, and I. 132 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 6: Bet they were all best sellers. 133 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: I would too if I were hit. He wrote about 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: each individual Bear on the team. 135 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 6: The long snapper one is coming out next week? 136 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 4: What about the fridge? On about the long snapper? What 137 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: about Jim McMahon, One about Walter Payton's. He can write 138 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: an entire book about Willie Galt and it would sell 139 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: out five zeconds wide receiver for the UH for the 140 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: Chicago Bears in the eighties, any other teams. 141 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: I'm thinking U C. 142 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 8: L A. 143 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: Probably the Wooden coach K Duke. Perhaps no one stillbody 144 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: Wooden books except for Bill Walton, Right. 145 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 6: Am I allowed to say notre dame? Am I allowed 146 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 6: to say that? 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 5: I mean I prefer I prefray you not. 148 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 6: I didn't say anything. 149 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: But you're right, even those Hurricane teams in the eighties, 150 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: we don't care about sports enough down here where you know, 151 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: Dan could fire up well, Dan would probably. 152 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 5: Find himself the New York Times bestsellers because he's Dan. 153 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 5: But if Cody wrote that book, how he does? 154 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, but you also read that book for a different 155 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 7: You'd read that book for all the other stuff you 156 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 7: would you would skip over the pages. 157 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 6: About on the field, and you just want to read. 158 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 7: About all the stuff that are getting into off the field, 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 7: all the whole of cocaine and all the all the parties. 160 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: How about the Dream Team? Now, probably not, it's probably 161 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: how about those? How about the first How about the 162 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: heat lebron Wade Bosch. No one's written a book about 163 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: that yet. I don't think someone will about Jordan Bulls. 164 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 6: How are we missing the Jordan Bulls? 165 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: That's it, that's it, that's it. 166 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: Tell Under has written seventeen books on the eighty five Bears, 167 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: and he is about to start up his sixteenth book 168 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: on the nineties Bulls. Let's get to Dan Shaughnessy, who 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 4: was on his seventh book about Larry Bird the Celtics. 170 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 9: Hiring again. Zip recruiter finds top talent for you. Try 171 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 9: it for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash stupid zip recruiter. 172 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 9: The smartest way to hire. 173 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: Dan Shaughnessy is with us a legendary journalists, columnist, writer 174 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 4: up in Boston. 175 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: He is. 176 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 4: He's good friend, and Dan, would you classify yourself as 177 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: a good friend of my co host Dan Levittard good friends. 178 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 8: We've never had a harsh word. I really like his talent, 179 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 8: you know, I just because again we miss guys that 180 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 8: were really great writers. I miss not seeing him, you know, 181 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 8: in print more. I know it's out there, but you 182 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 8: know when he was, you know, rocking at the Miami Herald, 183 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 8: and those were good days and the stuff for ESPN magazine. 184 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 8: I just I was kind of a fanboy for him, 185 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 8: and you know, we got to do a few things 186 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 8: together and really like his stuff once you get. 187 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: To know him. 188 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: Though. 189 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, I know. 190 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: Dan showing to see with us. He has a new 191 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 4: book out, Wish It Lasted Forever Life with the Larry 192 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 4: Bird Celtics. This is right in my wheelhouse. Grew up 193 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: in the eighties, Lakers and Celtics, Bird and magic, fantastic stuff. 194 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: So Dan, we'll start here. 195 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: I'd ask you, why now, with twenty to twenty one, 196 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 4: did you decide to write this book? 197 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 8: Well, I think you know a lot of people thought 198 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 8: with the pandemic and all, there was going to be 199 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 8: a lot of babies born. No, no, no, not babies. You're 200 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 8: going to get books out of the pandemic, you know, 201 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 8: because everybody is like home, nothing to do, and you 202 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 8: can reach people. It's a weird time, like you can 203 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 8: call Lebron James, or you can call anybody in their 204 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 8: home because you know no one's going anywhere. So it 205 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 8: was a good period there. I had a gang of 206 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 8: people in my house. We have two married daughters with 207 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 8: five little children, I mean four and under, and so 208 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 8: it was chaos here and I just locked myself in 209 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 8: my office and my agent was like, hey, even telling 210 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 8: these Celtics stories and bars for the last forty years, 211 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 8: why don't you make a book out of that? So 212 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 8: I did, and you know, it was kind of brought 213 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 8: out by the the whole Orlando bubble. First of all, 214 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 8: we're watching The Last Dance every every night and every 215 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 8: Sunday night, and you know, it became a must sy TV. 216 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 8: And I kept, you know, thinking about those days in 217 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 8: the eighties because I covered the Celtics every day for 218 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 8: four years when Bird was at his height, you know, 219 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 8: with MVP three times and then you know, locally they 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 8: would show the eighty six Celtics, the eighty four Celtic Lakers, 221 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 8: and ESPN thirty to thirty. And I keep seeing my goofy, 222 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 8: you know, twenty eight year old self with the giant 223 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 8: Michael Caine glasses, sitting at the press table and you know, 224 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 8: right there right behind them, and just remembering how great 225 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 8: that was and what great access we had. And then 226 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 8: you have the Orlando bubble in twenty twenty and those 227 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 8: guys who covered it, it costs like fifty five thousand 228 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 8: dollars cent a reporter to that and they had to 229 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 8: sign a waiver saying they would not interact with any 230 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 8: player or coach if they saw them away from the court. Well, 231 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 8: that's all we did was interact with them because we 232 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 8: travel with them. We lived with them, rode buses, waited 233 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 8: for bags, blue commercial hotels, bars, all that stuff. So 234 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 8: it was an access that you're never going to get again. 235 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 8: And we were able to tell the readers what they 236 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 8: were like. And nobody's fault now, but like here in Boston, 237 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 8: they can't tell you what Jalen Brown Jason Tatum were 238 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 8: like because they're just they can't get near them. There's 239 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 8: a moat, and this was the days before the moat. 240 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 8: It was also great basketball, watching the passing and you know, 241 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 8: the inside out the way they played. And so I 242 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 8: just said, well, help, we'll just put those stories down. 243 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 8: That's what you got. 244 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: Why why do you wish it lasted forever? Why did 245 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: it not last forever? 246 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 8: You know that that's well we're the old I'm the 247 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 8: old guy, you know, get off my line, guys, So 248 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 8: we can't we can't pitch a moment about how how 249 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 8: great it used to be. 250 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: I've gotten that then, I've gotten there. 251 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, it was. It was just a time that's never 252 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 8: going to be replicated. And you know, I mean we 253 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 8: would literally like be out in the court shooting baskets 254 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 8: before they came out for practice because they practiced at 255 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 8: a small facility at a Greek uh Greek Orthodox college. 256 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 8: You know, the Red found a place secluded no one 257 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 8: could find and there was there were no fans or 258 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 8: groupies or there was no attention paid to this, so 259 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 8: you'd just be out there shooting around. Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, 260 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 8: Robert Parish walk out. You'd be shooting around with them, 261 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 8: and then Casey Jones blowed the whistle and star practice 262 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 8: and we'd take our spot on the sideline and and 263 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 8: then wait for the bus to where we were going next. 264 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 8: It was just a different time and uh, I really 265 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 8: enjoyed it. And when I was calling around, Walton said 266 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 8: that Walton, you know, Walton talks about everything with you know, 267 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 8: everything's hyperbole. It's the greatest hamburger ever eating. You know, 268 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 8: everything's like that with him. So he was like, it 269 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 8: was the greatest time in my life. The Celtic saved 270 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 8: my life and I wish you could have last forever. 271 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 8: I said, well, there's the title I love you. 272 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: Morphing into like a fake Bill Walton there. 273 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 8: It can't help it when you're around him. Even my 274 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 8: kids do it now. It's just because all the players 275 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 8: do it. Michale does a great one, and you know 276 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 8: he when he came on board in eighty five, it 277 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 8: just it changed everything and it was it was hilarious. 278 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 8: And when I interviewed Bill, he said something to me. 279 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 8: I don't think any any anyone I've covered ever said. 280 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 8: He said, empty the source. When you write this, Dan, 281 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 8: you can say anything you want. We'll sign on to it. 282 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: Dan. 283 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 4: I had Bill Walton on this podcast, and I will 284 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: tell you I didn't ask him a single question. 285 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: He came on, he was singing, don't ease me in 286 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: by the Grateful Dad. 287 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: He went on a twenty five minute tire tribe about 288 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,119 Speaker 4: the dead, and then I let him go afterwards. 289 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: That was it. 290 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: It was the whole interview. 291 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the easiest thing ever, just just turn on 292 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 8: the turn on the machine and let him go. And 293 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 8: you know, we and we love him for it because 294 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 8: I don't know, you're kind of young to know this, 295 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 8: but when he was in college and early days in Portland, 296 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 8: we were all kind of afraid of him. He's kind 297 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 8: of a mystical figure. And he had the ponytail, and 298 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 8: he's smoking dope, and he was a little bit unapproachable, 299 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 8: and he had that stutter and he was shy about that. 300 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 8: And man, now you can't shake him. You can't lose 301 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 8: the guy. You know, he's all over the place, and 302 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 8: he's never been busier than he is now, and he's 303 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 8: doing great stuff. And he's riding his bike on the 304 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 8: John Murror Trail and he's all over the place. So 305 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 8: I'm very happy for him. 306 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: Wish it lasted forever. 307 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 4: In Life with the Larry Bird Celtics, Dan Shaughnessy, the author, 308 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: joins us on Stupidity. So I'm wondering what was life 309 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: like with Larry Bird Celtics. 310 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 8: You know, I was slow out of the gate because 311 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 8: Larry doesn't trust new people. And I understood that we're 312 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 8: almost the same age. I grew up in a very 313 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 8: small town. I wasn't as poor as him, but I 314 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 8: didn't have much. I played high school basketball. I wasn't 315 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 8: as good as him. I was a bench guy, and 316 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 8: I just felt, you know, as I was hanging around 317 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 8: enough that he grew to trust me a little bit. 318 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 8: And you know, I appreciate that, and it was good, 319 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 8: and you know, he liked having beers. You know, it 320 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 8: was a select group of guys. Quinn Buckton was one 321 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 8: of his guys drink beer with, you know, McHale a 322 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 8: little bit. Not Danny Age of course, had the Mormon 323 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 8: thing going. Rick Roby was a big running mate who 324 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 8: they ended up trading because of that and acquired Dennis Johnson. 325 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 8: Worked out pretty well. But so Larry was just that 326 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 8: guy and it took a while to gain his trust 327 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 8: and and in my case, I never fully did. 328 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 6: He would. 329 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 8: You know, they called me Scoop, and he was he 330 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 8: noticed everything, and they didn't quite trust me because I 331 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 8: wrote what I knew and that was not always in 332 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 8: their advantage. And he'd say, Scoop, when you come in 333 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 8: the locker room, you ever knows how quiet it gets 334 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 8: in here. And I'd say, yeah, I get that, you know. 335 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 8: So he was he was kind of giving me the 336 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 8: job there, like we don't trust you. You're not one 337 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 8: of us, and and you're not supposed to be. That's fine. 338 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 8: So I it was always kind of a you know, 339 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 8: push pull relationship. But you know, at the end of 340 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 8: the day, deep down I knew he liked me, and 341 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 8: he noticed a lot of a lot of things with 342 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 8: the we only had three or four writers with the team, 343 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 8: and and he kind of understood what our job was. 344 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 8: And he was very reluctant at the beginning of his career, 345 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 8: if any, but he wrote about his dad's suicide, or 346 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 8: his failed first marriage, or just the poverty that he 347 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 8: grew up in. But he grew to feel more secure 348 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 8: than that. And he told me once, he said, I 349 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 8: don't care what they ride as long as it's true. 350 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 8: And and you know, we tested that a few times 351 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 8: down the road, but ultimately I think we're okay. 352 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 6: And how do you how do you mend that kind 353 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 6: of relationship? How do you gain that trust with a 354 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 6: guy like Larry Bird? 355 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 8: Well, again, it was slow out of the gate. I 356 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 8: remember the first time we were at a the sellers 357 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 8: were staying at a holiday inn when they played the Cavs. 358 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 8: It was it was near the Richfield Coliseum. I mean, 359 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 8: they would not stay in a dump like this today. 360 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 8: This is another thing from the sort of then and 361 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 8: now theme of this. So we're in this holiday inn 362 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 8: out near Richfield, Ohio where the when snows like the 363 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 8: flakes come in through the seams of the window and 364 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 8: the curtains were fluttering, and it's just the place was 365 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 8: a dump and you know, there's no no mini bars, 366 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 8: just a you know, vending machine in the lobby, like 367 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 8: like you'd have if you were playing high school ball 368 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 8: and you were traveling around. So we're at this dumpy 369 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 8: bar and he was with and Bucktor went into the bar, 370 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 8: and I was at the other nobody else in the place, 371 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 8: and I sent around the beers down and he rejected him, 372 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 8: you know, because I was the new guy and I 373 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 8: wasn't to be trusted. So I asked quit. I asked 374 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 8: Quinn Bucked about it. When I was researching the book. 375 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 8: He said, yeah, that was about control. He didn't want 376 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 8: to be owing you anything. He didn't want to be 377 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 8: beholden to you. So he was he was setting the 378 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 8: boundaries right there, and that's how he was. He was 379 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 8: smart then, he's smart now. And I understood that, you know, 380 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 8: fast forward. He was one of the cheapest bassts you've 381 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 8: ever known, and that was what everybody came to kind 382 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 8: of know about him. But it was a couple of 383 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 8: times when he got a little warmer and at the 384 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 8: end of the night he'd say, you know, I'd get 385 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 8: my wallet out. He'd say, I got this scoop, And 386 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 8: it was like a total eclipse of the sun man 387 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 8: when Larry Bird reached for his wallet. We never saw 388 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 8: anything like that, so you knew you were okay then. 389 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 8: But it was just there weren't that many people around, 390 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 8: and they weren't that famous, and they weren't like again 391 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 8: isolated because of the money and the fame and security 392 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 8: and charters, and there was none of that. It was 393 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 8: just complete immersion exposure. And we were part of their 394 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 8: of their traveling unit. 395 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 4: But Dan, no one likes the cheap guy, Like you're saying, 396 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: that's born of Larry Bird, the charm, all that stuff, Like, 397 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: no one likes the chief guy in the group. 398 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 8: Like you could tease it, but you tease her about it. 399 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 8: And he he was like every I don't know what 400 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 8: pool hustler's like, but if there was one for basketball, 401 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 8: he was that guy. I mean in the hit me practice. 402 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 8: Everything was always the gym, no matter it was a 403 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 8: Pontiac silver dome, he called it the gym. And we'd 404 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 8: be on the gym and wherever he was standing, he'd 405 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 8: look at the hoop he'd look at you and say 406 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 8: shoot for money, so it meant dollar and if he 407 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 8: made it, you owed him a dollar. If you missed it, 408 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 8: he paid a dollar later. And he started doing this. 409 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 8: He was banking three pointers toward the end of his career, 410 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 8: or toward the height of his career, i should say. 411 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 8: And the NIXT trainer came up and said, come on, 412 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 8: what are you doing here is he was doing it 413 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 8: in practice to before the game, and he said, I'm 414 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 8: going to do that in the game if you give 415 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 8: me ten bucks and uh. And the guy said okay, 416 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 8: So sure enough. Lately game they're killing the Knicks and 417 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 8: Larry Banks and a three pointer and he runs by 418 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 8: the trainer with his handout on the way back down 419 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 8: the floor. He was playing shoot for money during the 420 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 8: game and we had a shooting we had a free 421 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 8: throw contest. He took me for one hundred and sixty 422 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 8: dollars in nineteen eighty five. Wow, And it was you know, 423 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 8: I did expense it, and I can tell you that 424 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 8: the the irs frowns on the word wager on an 425 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 8: expense account. So we had to make it eight twenty 426 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 8: dollars inunches with Robert Parish and telling me happy we 427 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 8: that one sailed through. 428 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: Right. 429 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 4: You also didn't say it was Robert Parish because Larry 430 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 4: Bird wasn't buying you twenty lunches. 431 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 8: So correct he would he spent any time with it. 432 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 8: Oddly enough, Chief hated me too, But that's another story. 433 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: Damn, why are you hated? 434 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 4: So I'm joking, but listen, I am wondering how much 435 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 4: money did you hand over to Larry Bird during his 436 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 4: playing career? 437 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 8: Well, the one sixty it was a unique event. It 438 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 8: was his idea because he had tape on his hand 439 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 8: in practice and I was challenging his ability to do 440 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 8: that in a game and he said, I could take 441 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 8: my whole hand and make more free throw you and 442 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 8: he did. It was we took one hundred free throws 443 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 8: and he made like eighty five or something with his 444 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 8: tan balled up in a fist, and I was choking 445 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 8: and seeing five dollar bills flying through the air every 446 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 8: time I missed one. So he got me. But he 447 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 8: this is how I mean. The guy's made you know, 448 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 8: millions of dollars. I don't know tens hundreds of millions. 449 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 8: But I did a radio show with him when he 450 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 8: was coaching the pacers. It was like, I don't know. 451 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 8: Fifteen twenty years later and in the middle of the show, 452 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 8: I asked him something about why would he come back 453 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 8: and coach He doesn't need the money and everything, and 454 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 8: he said, Scoop, all I know is I got one 455 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 8: hundred and sixty extra dollars in my pocket. He remembered 456 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 8: the exact figure he took me for because that's how 457 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 8: important it is to him, and I kind of secretly 458 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 8: admire that, and I took it home to my own family. 459 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 8: I'd pull into the driveway and my six year old 460 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 8: son would be holding the ball and say, shoot for money. 461 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 8: And that's what we did. 462 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 4: Wish it lasted forever. Life with the Larry Bird Celtics. 463 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: The author Dan Shawn is he with us here, odd stupodity. 464 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: If you were trying to playing Larry Bird's game to 465 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 4: someone like kids these days there and they think if 466 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 4: they've seen they've seen Lebron, they've seen it all okay, 467 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 4: and they have it. So if you were trying to 468 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 4: explain Larry Bird's gain to a kid who had never 469 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 4: seen Larry Bird play, how would you explain it? 470 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 8: Well, it's a little bit like Bobby or you have 471 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 8: to see the video. I mean, because people think, well, 472 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 8: you know, the game's faster now, and it's bigger or stronger, 473 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 8: everybody's better. But if you see the video, you sort 474 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 8: of come back to that and you realize what the 475 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 8: differences were. It was. It was like that thing with 476 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 8: special players, seeing things in slow motion, seeing things ahead 477 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 8: of time, seeing the whole floor, no where everybody is, 478 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 8: and the passing was was just phenomenal. That's why when 479 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 8: Walton came on what it was really special. I mean, 480 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 8: you know, Steph Curry. A lot of guys can make 481 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 8: that long shot now, and they didn't take many that 482 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 8: back in the old days. And Larry won the first 483 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 8: three three point contests that they ever held. But so 484 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 8: he had that long range game. He was very strong, 485 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 8: a great rebounder. He was farm boy strong and got 486 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 8: a lot done for again, a six to nine white 487 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 8: guy who wasn't particularly a faster, a great leaper. I 488 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 8: talked to him about that stuff, like, you know, didn't 489 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 8: he get intimidated by the you know, the pogo sticks, 490 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 8: the James Worthies of the world and just guys and 491 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 8: and he said he'd never felt that on a basketball court. 492 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 8: He said you know, if guys tried to get in 493 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 8: his head, he just talked so much trash to them, 494 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 8: and and by the end of the game he owned him. 495 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 8: And it's it's all there on video. And you know, 496 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 8: Reggie Miller came along later. There's there's a lot of 497 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 8: examples of that. And he had the the complex about 498 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 8: in Indiana. There's a structure like, he's from rural southern Indiana, 499 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 8: and they ship on them in the north. They're like 500 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 8: Indianapolis and whatnot, Bloomington. They don't think the balls is 501 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 8: good down where he's from. So the fact that Night 502 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 8: came down and recruited him was a big tribute to 503 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 8: rural southern Indiana. And then of course, you know, he 504 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 8: leaves Indiana goes to Indiana State, which was again everybody 505 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 8: dumps on them. They end up in the Final four 506 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 8: undefeated against Magic's team. And for the rest of his career, 507 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 8: whenever he would face these big ten guys, Kent Benson 508 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 8: from Indiana, Phil Hubbard from Michigan, you know, he would 509 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 8: he would abuse them just to get even and to 510 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 8: show that you know, hey, you know, my conference with 511 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 8: Mid Valley, whatever the hell it was, you know, was 512 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 8: as good as a big ten and we're we're good 513 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 8: ballers too, and and go screw you guys with all 514 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 8: your blue chip pedigrees and all this stuff. He never 515 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 8: got past that and uh and and he was never 516 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 8: intimidated on a court, and he was able to work 517 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 8: his magic against guys that that did have far better, 518 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 8: you know, athletic skills than he did. But once he 519 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 8: got out there, man, he saw everything in slow motion 520 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 8: and he knew where all they all the other players were, 521 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 8: and it was just magic in. 522 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: Terms of competitiveness, in terms of memory, not forgetting wanted 523 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: to make people pay. He had like like there was 524 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: some Michael Jordan there, or Michael Jordan had some Larry 525 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: Bird and him. 526 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 8: You know it was and you know the trash talking 527 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 8: because again we sat in those days right next to 528 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 8: the bench. We heard a lot and there was that 529 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 8: night against you know, Julius Erva and Larry never could 530 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 8: have done this when Julius was in his prime. But 531 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 8: the way that they came to ball in the ages 532 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 8: they were. Julius was near the end when Larry was 533 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 8: at the height, and there was a night at the 534 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 8: garden and Larry's like, get somebody else out here, you 535 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 8: can't guard me, old man, and back and forth, and 536 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 8: he had like, I don't know, thirty five or forty 537 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 8: in the third quarter and Doc was like one for 538 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 8: nine and he Doc had had enough. And there's a 539 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 8: famous picture, it's in the book, but he's they're at 540 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 8: each other's throats. And there was one that Larry would 541 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 8: never sign. He was embarrassed by it. And you know, 542 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 8: I think Barkley held him back. You get hitting the 543 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 8: nuts during the scrum there, and he wasn't happy about that. 544 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 8: He went against the Indiana Code of Fair Fighting and 545 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 8: he the trash talking was at another level. And guys 546 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 8: will tell you he would he would tell opponents, you know, 547 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 8: you better get on because when this ball's inbounded, I'm 548 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 8: going to do this, this, this, and then he would 549 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 8: do this, this and this and just laugh at him 550 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 8: going back down the floor. It was amazing. It was 551 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 8: hard to believe. 552 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite story of Larry Bird talking draft? Like, 553 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 4: do you have a favorite Larry Bird drashtocks? 554 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 8: Oh boy, he didn't back down, trying to think because 555 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 8: that whole team, like Maxwell, mL Carr, even Dennis Johnson 556 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 8: to a degree, such a degree, they all could do it. 557 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 8: I'll have to circle something in this and come back 558 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 8: to you on that one. 559 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: Okay, no problem. How do you think Larry Bird would 560 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: fare in today's NBA? 561 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 8: Again, He's still six' nine and he's still, strong and 562 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 8: he can. Rebound and at the time he, played everybody 563 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 8: was faster and jumped. Higher So i'm saying it translates 564 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 8: into today's there's some guy that. DON'T i, mean, hey you, 565 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 8: KNOW i Mean Bob, coosey you, know six' One white 566 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 8: guard from nineteen FIFTY. Seven mvp that's a little hard. 567 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 8: TO do, i mean, you know we had stocked in 568 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 8: and you, get guys but that's harder. To translate but 569 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 8: a six' nine of shooting forward, WHO can rebound. I 570 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 8: think that i think that skill set still translates when 571 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 8: you've got the kind of court vision he had in 572 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 8: the shooting skills he had. 573 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 4: Could pass which it lasted forever Life With The. Larry 574 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 4: Bird celtics dan shawn is available wherever you. Get your books, 575 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 4: By The way dan shawnese. IS with us i am 576 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: Wondering here IN boston because i GREW up and i 577 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 4: swore there will never be a more Popular Athlete than 578 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 4: larry bird in The history. Of boston Sports and, perhaps 579 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 4: i'm WRONG and perhaps i, was Wrong that. And i'm 580 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 4: Wrong Now did tom brady ever eclipse his popularity in The? 581 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: City of? BOSTON did, anyone. 582 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 8: I mean the only two that you can get into 583 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 8: The conversation is or was a little bit. Ahead of 584 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 8: them and that's. A short, career i mean the greatness, 585 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 8: there was short but hot we're big hockey village here, 586 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 8: and all. That of Course, and then, brady of course 587 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 8: because you know how football became so popular and You Know, 588 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 8: nine super, bowls you know winning, six of them and the. 589 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 8: Twenty year Reign i'm gonna, i'm Gonna say but i'll. 590 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 8: Tell you, this it's, like you know we have these 591 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 8: METRICS now and i write For The book bustin globe 592 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 8: for a thousand years and they. Can quantify EVERYTHING and 593 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 8: if I Write, about larry bird it still gets the most. 594 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 8: Eyeballs of anything and and, That's you know, Brady's a 595 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 8: lot or. Is a lot and you know we're not 596 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 8: writing About or in bird like Like we are brady all. 597 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 8: The TIME still but i, GOT to Say i Think 598 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 8: i'd say brady BECAUSE of the i mean six CHAMPIONSHIPS 599 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 8: and playing nfl football at the. Time he did, it's so, 600 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 8: popular you know at the betting and the fantasy and all. 601 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 8: Of That game but i'll Tell you the celtic craze, 602 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 8: of the eighties. It was real every game. Was sold 603 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 8: out it WAS. Must see tv they would they Would 604 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 8: bump the State of the union address and put IT 605 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 8: later on tv and just people had, to see them 606 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 8: and and and they still love them. To this day, 607 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 8: and you know there's a lot of. The old, guys 608 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 8: you know, we're, all SAYING oh the nba was better and. 609 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 8: Back those days, And you know i'm going to be 610 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 8: careful not to do too much of that because then 611 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 8: you really sound like to get off. 612 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 5: My, long guy yeah but, it WAS you, AND i, 613 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: know i know. 614 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: Yes it, Was, i'm Wondering Dan if larry bird And 615 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 4: with The lakers and magic ends Up, with the celtics 616 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 4: how much different do you think? 617 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 8: All, this is, Yeah, you know larry that Was actually as. 618 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 8: Larry warmed up that was asked one year when we 619 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 8: Were On the west coast Trip and he, larry answered it, 620 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 8: and you know he, kind of said it'd probably Be 621 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 8: easier for magic to come to come to us than 622 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 8: for me. To BE there and i. THINK he KNEW 623 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 8: i think i know. What that, meant you know they 624 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 8: were they, were you know they were strict strictly a, 625 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 8: running you know aerial circus and up and down the 626 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 8: floor and and just the showtime. And all that larry 627 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 8: wasn't about. The showtime thing And you know magic was. 628 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 8: Was about showtime but he was also such a great 629 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 8: passer make all all of. His teammates, Better you know 630 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 8: larry really thought magic skills maybe translated better to that 631 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 8: team than. His Over there that's that's. Was His answer 632 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 8: so i'll, stick with. 633 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 6: That all. 634 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: Right that's fair i'm just wondering just fast Forwarding, To 635 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: today's celtics danny like in, The, overall here dan because 636 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 4: there was a time not too long ago where the 637 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: team you wanted to Be Was. 638 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: The boston celtics they, had young talent they. 639 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 4: Had Draft capital brad stevens was so enamored by being. 640 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 4: Their head coach he left a great situation in college 641 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: so could be. Their head coach and now he's upstairs As. 642 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: He's replaced Danny H did danny age? 643 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 5: Screw? 644 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 8: This up, well you know there was a lot of 645 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 8: victory laps here with the drafting and the trading and 646 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 8: the hoarding of picks and, then You know Getting bround 647 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 8: and tatum for Basically Washed Up paul pierson garnett, at the, 648 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 8: end you know big swindle and then not taking faults 649 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 8: And waiting for tatum and those were like our back, 650 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 8: kind of moves and then they Were in the they 651 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 8: got to the conference finals three times. In four years 652 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 8: so it looked like and they had A, Team, with brown, 653 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 8: Tatum You know Kyrie irving and hayward And A. YOUNGER al, 654 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 8: horford i mean they were kind of it looked it 655 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 8: just it turned the wrong way and to this point 656 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 8: where they're going to be scuffling in the seven eight 657 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 8: nine region for the playoffs and it doesn't look great 658 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 8: with the first ten percent of. The SEASON played and, 659 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 8: i don't know, so you know you can make that 660 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 8: case what, you just said you can. MAKE that Case 661 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 8: i think danny's a good evaluator of talent and he 662 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 8: doesn't really care what we, say about him, so you 663 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 8: know hit happily answer that for you and then he'd. 664 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 8: Tell you no but the jury's, out on that and 665 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 8: they got to find out what kind of winners and 666 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 8: hearts They got In, brown and tatum who are now 667 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 8: five and six years, into. 668 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 4: The league respectively it's funny because you Forget about the hayward. 669 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: INJURY that happened i think. It's for me It, was, 670 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 4: a celtic right so maybe things would have been. A 671 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: lot different what was It Like? Covering kyrie irving what 672 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: was it like having him? Around, that, team. 673 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 8: Well again nothing like now because we don't know, who 674 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 8: they are but he was so he was such, a 675 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 8: you know self IMPORTANT and just, i don't know troubled, 676 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 8: or you know there's a lot going on. IN his 677 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 8: head i don't even want to know what's going on. 678 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 8: In his HEAD but and i didn't. Like it, then 679 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 8: you know he was into the flat earth thing when, 680 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 8: he was here and a lot, of that NONSENSE and 681 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 8: just i. Don't understand it we. NEVER really saw. I 682 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 8: don't know i. Think there was he didn't seem to 683 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 8: get along, with his teammates didn't really want. To be 684 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 8: here they had to do a lot of. Catering to 685 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 8: him it was. A bad mix and Of course. THE 686 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 8: jersey thing i Can't Imagine what duran harten are, thinking 687 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 8: Right now especially durant he got him there and now. 688 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 8: HE'S not playing i mean. At that nonsense it didn't 689 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 8: fly here and it. Wasn't going to but the people 690 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 8: you know who were, close to it, and you know 691 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 8: like A Guy like, cedric maxwell say this guy's got 692 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 8: The best handle, i've Ever seen and, i've seen everybody, 693 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 8: and you know this. Guy's GOT it so i believe in. 694 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 8: That it's legit. 695 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 4: His talent's legit he also doesn't have a championship or 696 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 4: anything close To It. 697 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: Without lebron james you know your. 698 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: Guy, said that okay. 699 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: Wish. 700 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: It lasted forever Life With The. Larry Bird celtics dan shaughnessy. 701 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: Is with us i'm. Gonna get you i'm going to 702 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: get you out of here on two. 703 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: Notes. 704 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 4: Real quick okay the media shift where you had access 705 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 4: to these guys back in the eighties and now it's 706 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 4: a struggle to even Get To. Know kyrie Herring why 707 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 4: because kyrie, Doesn't, need you dan he, doesn't need me he. 708 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: Doesn't need Anyone, he's got instagram he's got. Social media 709 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 4: platforms have you dealt? With THAT shift because i don't Talk. 710 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: At the, Levatard it's tricky it's been difficult from going 711 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: from having the access to the athletes no longer needing. 712 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: You, GUYS anymore. 713 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 8: Yeah i mean the incentive to give, up IS there 714 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 8: and i kind Of have and i've done. ENOUGH of 715 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 8: this i don't need to be grouveling waiting around for 716 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 8: a couple Of. WORDS from kyrie i can take my shots. 717 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 8: From a distance it doesn't feel it felt more honest 718 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 8: when you're in their face every day and you're in 719 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 8: the clubhouse locker room, the next day and if they 720 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 8: want to give, you crap back you know you got. 721 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 8: To take it but what we wrote was important, then 722 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 8: it mattered people, cared about it and this way. Less 723 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 8: of that now our impact. Is so diminished. And that's. 724 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 8: Okay it's evolution i'm not going to bay at the. 725 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 8: Moon about THAT i'm glad i got to do it 726 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 8: AT the time. I did it i don't fight the. 727 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 8: Way IT'S evolved and i understand that the motivation for 728 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 8: them to go operate now. IS not there, I UNDERSTAND 729 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 8: that so i FEEL blessed that i got to do 730 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 8: it when it did matter and. They did care LARRY 731 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 8: bird get i wrote about that fight. With the sixers 732 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 8: he was pissed, The next, Day, he's like scoop you 733 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 8: can't write. That the people it matters what you say 734 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 8: to The, People, IN boston man i was. Getting held 735 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 8: back they hit me. In the, nuts you know you 736 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 8: didn't write that. AND instigate, that i mean it. Really 737 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 8: hurt him it. Mattered to him and now they wouldn't. 738 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: Even see it. 739 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 4: THEY wouldn't, care, i mean listen we had a guy 740 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 4: on who talked ABOUT, how much I me and dan 741 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 4: did recently about How much Weed kyrie and, Katie was 742 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: smoking like. 743 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: No one cared. 744 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 4: Kyri didn't care last, question for you you mentioned did 745 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 4: you say you? 746 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 8: Had two, DAUGHTERS then yes i have two daughters. And 747 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 8: one son, they were adults you, know. 748 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: At okay and the two daughters, are, married though right. 749 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 8: Two married, daughters five grandchildren. All that stuff. 750 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: Oh my god so as the father of twin daughters 751 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: who were, seventeen years old who were about who we 752 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 4: are about to go. On to college my, question for 753 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 4: you we'll have two. Questions empty nesting? What's it like that's, 754 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 4: the number one and then the follow up to that 755 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 4: is what was it like giving? Your daughters Away not 756 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: that i'm, thinking About it but i'm thinking, about, It. 757 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 8: YEAH yeah and i know you're a, coach as well and, 758 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 8: SO you know i never. Get into that but they 759 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 8: were we had a. Two and city they were, one 760 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 8: year apart, fourteen months apart and so they were very 761 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 8: competitive and in. Each OTHER'S face so i don't know 762 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 8: if you had this when you were. In high school 763 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 8: they have the junior senior game when they're. In high, 764 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 8: school you know, it's like so and then they. Did get, 765 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 8: all you know they'd have, a junior senior a junior 766 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 8: senior touch football game, for the, girls teenage girls, and 767 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 8: you know they'd wear, the war pay they'd have theme 768 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 8: songs and come out there marching around and, in all 769 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 8: style and and they got league officials to come in 770 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 8: and officiate the junior senior. Touch football game and they 771 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 8: were trying to rein in the drinking and not have 772 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 8: too much fistfights and. All this stuff but my daughters 773 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 8: were mutually ejected from the junior senior game by the 774 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 8: officials who did not know, they were related for fighting 775 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 8: during the. JUNIOR senior game i was like the Commissioner 776 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 8: At the, army navy game sitting on a different, half 777 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 8: each half the whole, thing like that and quite embarrassing, 778 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 8: to have that but it was, a you know We 779 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 8: Were lucky jack pott both. Married great guys they. Have 780 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 8: five grandchildren the empty nesting do not worry about that 781 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 8: because they. They never LEAVE that's why, i wrote, THIS 782 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 8: you know, I mean head. I mean last during the, 783 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 8: during the pandemic one one family with two children under 784 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 8: four was selling their house, and buying house so. They 785 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 8: transitioned here the other family was doing construction during the 786 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 8: pandemic and had to shut down because of the dust 787 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 8: in the house and three boys age. Three AND under 788 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 8: so i had eleven people, in my house five babies four, 789 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 8: years an under. All living here AND that's why i. 790 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 8: WROTE the book i was locked away during the pandemic 791 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 8: with all these. Crying babies, Downstairs. 792 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 4: HOLY shit mikey, I. Love, that shawnes see. They never 793 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 4: leave they always come back because. They need money SO what? 794 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 4: DO i do I Write a. 795 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: Larry, Bird book boom. 796 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 6: It gets me away and. Gets. 797 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: Me money exactly wish. 798 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 4: It, LASTED forever wow, I, Feel better, DAD thank you 799 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 4: i feel. 800 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: So, Much, BETTER help no i really. Do thank YOU. 801 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 4: Now that i know, THEY never LEAVE i feel i 802 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 4: feel a million TIMES better because i don't want. Them 803 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 4: to leave wish. It lasted forever Life With The. Larry 804 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 4: bird celtics one of the great writers we have A 805 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 4: Journalists In american dan. Shaughnessy with us dan. APPRECIATE the 806 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 4: time I will tell levantard you said hello and much luck, with. 807 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 4: THE book, man, i, HOPE well listen i have no 808 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 4: doubt it will Do Well because Larry bird in boston. Always, 809 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 4: does well yeah you, got it, Man, ALL right mike i. 810 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 4: Really enjoyed that. Shaughnessy is excellent he's. A great journalist he's. 811 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 4: A great writer he's one of the. Best we have 812 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 4: as journalism dies, Very Slowed death dan shaughnessy is. 813 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 5: Still hat there he's still, Getting. It done Okay Him. 814 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 4: And bob right levantard realized, Twenty, years ago hey that 815 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 4: thing that lands on you on your front, lawn every. 816 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: Day that's not it's not. GOING to, exist i mean 817 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 2: it's not gonna. 818 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 4: Exist much longer i'm climbing into the circus tent with 819 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 4: A guy named. 820 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 5: Stegotts Did realize. 821 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 4: But shawnessy never had to do that because he can 822 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 4: Fire up As celtics any He acknowledged himself mike that 823 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 4: you can Write an eighty celtics book, whenever you want 824 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 4: and you're gonna. 825 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 5: SELL it, out i mean. It's absolutely amazing do. 826 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 7: You think his wife, or his, kids you know his, kids, 827 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 7: Are like hey. I'm getting married you have to pay. 828 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 7: For the, wedding, HE'S like Oh i guess i'll just 829 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 7: bang Out another eighty celtics book and, pay for. 830 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 5: THAT wouldn't, you i MEAN of. 831 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 6: COURSE i WOULD i wish i had that kind, of 832 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 6: you know reputation. TO do that i. 833 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 4: Would, start doing him like we were saying earlier, IN 834 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 4: the open i would start now doing him, about individuals 835 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 4: like give me a Book, about the chief give me 836 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 4: A book, about kevin McHale Give me, an age book 837 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 4: Give Me a, dennis johnson book all of those Lands 838 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 4: Of The new york. TIMES bestseller, us i mean the 839 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 4: guy is probably is a. Fucking gold mint that's. 840 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 2: What it is he. 841 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 4: Acknowledged it, himself so anyway while we were, Doing that 842 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 4: Interview rick telling to wrote another book about The, Eighty 843 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: five bears What about The bears that he's halfway through 844 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 4: a Ninety Two Season chicago. 845 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 7: Bulls Examining the jordan pippen. Relationship, A, time. 846 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 4: Yes Yes someone in, chicago should do which this is the. 847 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 5: Book right now who would win in a? 848 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 4: Seven Game series the bulls team that won the first 849 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 4: three Championships or the bulls team that won the? 850 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 5: Second three championships? How about that you. 851 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 7: Would Get people in chicago so mad trying to argue 852 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 7: with each. 853 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 4: Other, about it yeah but let, me tell you they 854 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 4: would line up down the street for telling their book. 855 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 2: Signing, for that okay what Do you think? 856 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 6: Jordan would pick. 857 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 4: If there was one That Did have scottie, pippen on 858 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 4: it that would be the one. That he made unfortunately 859 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 4: he doesn't have. One of those He'd. Picked the wizards 860 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 4: stupidity