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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four thirteen.

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Speaker 1: In today's the show, I'm joined by West Virginia bow

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Speaker 1: hunter Josh Ilderton to discuss his aggressive on the ground

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Speaker 1: tactics for hunting white tails. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X,

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Speaker 1: and today the show, I'm joined by Josh Ilderton, and

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Speaker 1: Josh is a southern West Virginia bow hunter most well

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Speaker 1: known across most of the country for his work on

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Speaker 1: the Untamed YouTube series. On this video series, Josh and

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Speaker 1: a group of other avid hunters and houndsman chase bucks

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Speaker 1: and bears across West Virginia and several other nearby states.

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Speaker 1: But from a white tailed perspective, what I think sets

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Speaker 1: Josh apart the most is his penchant for chasing bucks

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Speaker 1: on the ground. His self proclaimed favorite white hunt is

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Speaker 1: glassing up white tails from a distance and then putting

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Speaker 1: on a stalk until he can get into bow range.

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Speaker 1: And he's doing this, and I mean, it's the big

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Speaker 1: rugged wooded mountains of West Virginia, and it is it's

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Speaker 1: really impressive what he's been able to pull off. Not

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Speaker 1: to mention it looks like a lot of fun. I've

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Speaker 1: I've followed a lot of what they're doing down there.

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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy what he's pulling off. And it's got me,

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Speaker 1: you know, personally, more and more intrigued by the possibilities

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Speaker 1: that white tail hunting from the ground offers. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is something that I think people are discovering is

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Speaker 1: more and more what's the right word I'm looking for, possible.

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Speaker 1: I guess you're seeing folks like Jarre with white tail

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Speaker 1: a dread and winner, Zach with the hunting public, now

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Speaker 1: Josh over here with the untamed people that are showing that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to sit in a tree stand or

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Speaker 1: saddled killed deer. You can do it in really different

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Speaker 1: kinds of ways. And I love that. That's one of

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Speaker 1: my absolute most favorite things that has come out of

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Speaker 1: this entire podcast. The last however many years I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this has been getting to learn about the million

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Speaker 1: different ways you can do this thing. You can hunt

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Speaker 1: deer in so many different ways, and I'm just personally, uh,

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Speaker 1: just fascinated by the process of trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: all those different types of styles and strategies and each

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Speaker 1: different one just uh, I don't know. It gets me

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Speaker 1: really interested and curious. And today, for sure is an

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Speaker 1: example that Uh. Josh is someone who I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I definitely learned a lot from I think that all

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Speaker 1: of you will be able to learn something from this,

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Speaker 1: whether you're hunt in West Virginia or Wyoming or points

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Speaker 1: in between. I really think you're gonna get some ideas

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Speaker 1: here you can add to your own white till hunting

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Speaker 1: arsenal um. We talk about, you know, how to find

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Speaker 1: good country, how to glass, specific tips on glassing for

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Speaker 1: white tails. We talk about when to stalk in on

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Speaker 1: one and when not to stalk on them. We talk

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Speaker 1: about all sorts of advice for how to move on

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Speaker 1: kind of situation. We talked about taking on the ground shots. Um, gosh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This one went long. It was interesting.

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Speaker 1: It kept me personally just just riveted the entire time.

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Speaker 1: So I trust you'll feel the same way. I hope

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Speaker 1: you do. I hope you enjoy this, I'm gonna stop

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Speaker 1: blathering on. I'm just gonna let you get into it.

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Speaker 1: So now, without further ado, my conversation with Josh Elderton.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. All right here with me now on

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Speaker 1: the line is Josh Elderton. Josh, welcome to the show. Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: how are you the Satan? I am really good and

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Speaker 1: excited to talk to you. How about yourself? I'm doing great, buddy.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Alabama current turkey hunting this week for the

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Speaker 1: opening week of spring turkey season. And uh, We've been

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Speaker 1: so anytime I'm in the woods, I'm pretty happy. You

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Speaker 1: can't beat that. How's the turkey hunting done? It has

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Speaker 1: been slow. You know that the birds aren't just they're

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Speaker 1: just not talking a whole lot. Um. We end up

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Speaker 1: I killed one this morning, but we even thank you.

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Speaker 1: We've hunted hard dough and we hunted National fourth and

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Speaker 1: and he said, we don't turkey, and he said all

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Speaker 1: So you never do know what to expect when people

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Speaker 1: So it's been tough hunting, but that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: It's called hunting, not killing that. Uh. Sometimes that tougher,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's in every everything we do, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and everything you do, the sacrifices you make in hunting

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Speaker 1: and and everything I do. I mean, when you when

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Speaker 1: you have to sacrifice, it does make it feel better

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Speaker 1: when when you find that success. Yeah, do you find

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Speaker 1: that to be a little bit of what shifting deer

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Speaker 1: hunt the way you do do you do you purposefully

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Speaker 1: kind of seek out that harder, more challenging process than

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Speaker 1: some other things you could do. Um Mark tell you truth,

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Speaker 1: I don't the way I hunt. I've hunted it. I've

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Speaker 1: hunted that way for so long. I don't find it hard.

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Speaker 1: you find success in it, why don't you kill your

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Speaker 1: first year on the ground, you will be committed to

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Speaker 1: gonna fail way more than you're going to succeed. So

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Speaker 1: tell me this, Josh, tell me. Let's say I don't.

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Speaker 1: Let's say you're at the bar and you bump into

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Speaker 1: get into I don't know if debating, but you end

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Speaker 1: use a shot. If you were going to pitch them

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Speaker 1: pitch would be a couple of different selling points. One is,

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Speaker 1: when you're on the ground hunting, you learn about everything

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Speaker 1: else in that area along with the deer. Um. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the biggest advantage of ground huning for me,

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Speaker 1: the squirrels are cutting acrons, most likely the deer's eating

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Speaker 1: new acrons too, right there. Uh, squirrels ain't gonna eat

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Speaker 1: a whole wealth of information in there. Two better yourself

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Speaker 1: as a woodman, not just as a hunter. And that

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Speaker 1: that's what's important to me. And and it's action packed.

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Speaker 1: or squirrels or turkey and stuff. And I'm not hunting.

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Speaker 1: But um, you're always you always seem to be in

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Speaker 1: mean there's days that you know that I'm in a

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Speaker 1: I me, hanging in a tree is not my preferred style.

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Speaker 1: not a it's a it's not an opportunity opportunistic approach,

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Speaker 1: mean it was you know, I think it grows. Two

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Speaker 1: usually an opportunity hunter. I mean, if if I'm hunting

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Speaker 1: for him from a tree. Why why did you feel

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Speaker 1: And I don't know it if you've hunted white tail

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Speaker 1: saw him twice in two thousand. No, no, that two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. I'm sorry. So it's two years ago on

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Speaker 1: and he busted us. Was some doze busted us and

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Speaker 1: You don't hunt on the ground in Ohio. And I said, well,

428
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: I hunt on the ground everywhere. And he said, well,

429
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do it here. You You're not gonna

430
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: do anything but bust everything out. And so we sat

431
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: there and talked about it, and I told me, I said,

432
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: well here's what I'll do. I said, You're going to

433
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: over here to getting this stand. I said, I'll stay

434
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: completely away from you, but I'm gonna hunt the the

435
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: back block and the sideblock. I said, if I do

436
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: bump everything out like you said, I said, everything's gonna

437
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: feed up to you through through the through the spring.

438
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: And he said, well, and he said, I just think

439
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: you're wasting your time. And this is what this is.

440
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: Before Jay started ground hunting. So I'm in Ohio flat nasty.

441
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's dick it kind of vegetation. And

442
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: I hunt that whole afternoon and the key uh, well,

443
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I hunt that whole afternoon. I ended up seeing I

444
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: don't know, twenty or deer. Uh. I saw two shooters

445
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: and I end up bumping one to Jay and I

446
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: and Jay he texted me says, hey, man, I just

447
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: shot it. I just shot a big eight point. And

448
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I was just looking at an

449
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: eight point, you know, ten minutes ago. And I said,

450
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I said, I'll go ahead and and come out of here.

451
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: I said, I'll just start working my way up through

452
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: the c RP and and I'll be up there in

453
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: an hour or so. And He's like, okay, So and

454
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm in CRP now, and you know that stuff is

455
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: just grabbing hold of you and and it's just nasty.

456
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: There's no lanes and I'm trying to work through it.

457
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: It's probably be waist high, but I'm still hunting now.

458
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: And I look and there's there's a patch of and

459
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea why there's four second more treason.

460
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: Why the farmer left him in the middle of his

461
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: field in the middle of this this c RP. And

462
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: I look and I catch a sunlight glimpse. You know,

463
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: it's just one of those photographic memory type of things

464
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: when you look at something so much that you you know,

465
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: you look for different things on the deer when you're

466
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: on the ground, and like, I catch a tip of

467
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the tip of a glare and I stopped and I

468
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: was like, man, I think it's a deer when I looked,

469
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: and it was. And I finally saw him move after

470
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: looking at him for like fifteen minutes, and he was

471
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: a stud of a ten point. And so I started

472
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: sneaking on it there and and not within twenty yards

473
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: and it was getting dark on me and when was

474
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: perfect and everything, and Jay was actually in the tree

475
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: stand on the hedgerow two fifty yards from me, watching

476
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: me and he's texting me, and this is after the

477
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: fact that I get his message. He's like, what are

478
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: you doing? And you know, he sees me sneaking towards

479
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: these sycamore trees. Well it starts getting I'm losing lights.

480
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: So I I stand up and pulled back and whistled

481
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: at this deer and he still didn't hear me. I

482
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: had to win in my my advantage too, and he

483
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: still didn't he Mary and I ended up having to

484
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: holler an him and Howard Hay And when I did that,

485
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, typically white tells will stand up, check everything

486
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: and then take off. You'll have a few seconds. But

487
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: this deer bound out like a mule deer, and you

488
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: know it didn't get a shot. But it was an

489
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: absolute great evening. And Jay and I were talking. He's like, dude,

490
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: he said, let me dear you said, I told him,

491
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: and then he saw me stalk up on that ten

492
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: point and I said, when I seemed deer and signed,

493
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I learned where they were bedding and everything. And he said,

494
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: that's crazy. He said, he said, I've never never ground hunting,

495
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: and now he ground hunts. Yeah, I mean that kind

496
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: of experience will will sell you on it, that's for sure. Yeah,

497
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's that's the greatest thing. And when

498
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: you're the biggest thing. When you're hunting the flat land,

499
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: you just have to adjust your speed. Um. For me,

500
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: I look my glass more move less and oh, I

501
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: mean the flat land. You can only imagine how important

502
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: you all use it when you're in a tree stand,

503
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: uh of how important it is on the ground. So

504
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: you know I'm constant uh wind checking and and glassing.

505
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: Is that, you know the biggest thing I do. I mean,

506
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I was sitting glass and area in the timber and

507
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: make sure that there is absolutely nothing there um and

508
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: then sometimes there always is. And no matter what you

509
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: you bump deer, but those there aren't going anywhere. They're

510
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: just going far enough away from you to quit running.

511
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: You know they're not they're not running out of the county.

512
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Everybody gets on to him and said, well, you're just

513
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna bump the deer out of the hunt area. Well

514
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna bump him. You're just gonna bump him

515
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: far enough to where he's just gonna get away from you. Now,

516
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: if you go chasing and you're gonna you know, he's

517
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna run from you. You know, so I slowed down

518
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: when I'm on flat ground, and like I said, I

519
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: take less steps or slower steps should I say? And

520
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, constantly constantly glassing. Uh So those are the

521
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: big things for UM for me when it comes to

522
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: hunting those open areas. So let's go back home. Let's

523
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: go back to your local stuff, the rough country of

524
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: southern West Virginia, and that I'm guessing a lot of

525
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: people in different parts of Appalachia could probably apply some

526
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: of these things. UM talk talk me through from like

527
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: the beginning of of a day. Let's say let's say

528
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: you're heading out there to hunt. I'm imagining with that

529
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: one of the first things you're trying to figure out

530
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: is where am I gonna start? How do you pick

531
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: where you're starting the day? What are you thinking about?

532
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: What's your game plan? Kind of thought process? Look like,

533
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, the more that morning, when you're getting ready

534
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: to go out or something like that, just just kind

535
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: of filming on that first couple of steps of the process. Well,

536
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that's the other big advantage of

537
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: ground hunting more is that you ain't gonna be out

538
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: ter until daylight. All right, I'm sold. That's all I

539
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: had to hear. Yeah, you know, I do like I

540
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: do like the aspects of not have to get extremely early. Uh.

541
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: You know I can stop and everybody rushing to get

542
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: to the tree stings. You know, I'm just starting having

543
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: me a cup of a cup of coffee and get

544
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: me a biscuit. So that's the that's the big advantage

545
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: to start the day off right. Uh. But no, I

546
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: mean a lot of places that I hunt, Um, I've

547
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: hunted them for years, so I have. I've gone through

548
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: and I've picked out these glass and um points and

549
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 1: they they could be anywhere from a glass and point.

550
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: That gives me the advantage to look at you hundreds

551
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: of acres um or it could be just the glass

552
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: and point. It gives me the best advantage to look

553
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: at us a small scale. But I know there's a

554
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: lot of deer activity there. You know. I'm just not

555
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: glass in these open areas. More I'm glasting in the woods.

556
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, it's kind of like and I'm never

557
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Western hunting, um, but I see those guys glassing all

558
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I'm I'm behind a spot scope

559
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: and binoculars three or four or five hours. Uh some days, uh,

560
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, looking in the woods and trying to find

561
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: dear bedded down. At that point, we're seeing where they're going.

562
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: But normal day, I will I will choose the area

563
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: to go in. Um I have already scouted that area,

564
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: so not scouted it for animals, scouted it for vantage

565
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: points to glass from. UM I don't really. Um, that's

566
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: the only thing that all like like truly scout for. Uh.

567
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: There's places where I can go sit and glass. And

568
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: that's literally just having gone out there at other points

569
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: of the year, walked around and drove around and found

570
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: a couple of good vantigh points. Yeah. I mean it's

571
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: it's going in and say, man, I wonder how much

572
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: I can see from there or uh you know, And

573
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: that's that's the It's very simple. You're finding, um, what

574
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: area that you can see the most rain and the

575
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: best train because there's bad train and there's good train.

576
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, you can't be glassing. We're there's no deer.

577
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, you've gotta be It's just like you don't

578
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: want a honey where there's no deer, so you're not

579
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: going to glass there. But that's that's the first thing

580
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: that I do. I mean, I really don't you know, well,

581
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: I just say, I really don't scout for deer mark

582
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't go out and I don't I'm not a

583
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: shed hunter because I got so much other stuff going on.

584
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't have time to shed hunt. Um. I will

585
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: look for trails and stuff and in the wintertime, but

586
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm just not a big scout deer scouter because I

587
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: know that I'm gonna be learning stuff new every fall,

588
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be moving in glassing um hunting on

589
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: the ground. It's such a broad spectrum. Me. It's good

590
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: to know that you have deer in that area where

591
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: you're glassing. But I don't have to commit all that

592
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: time to scouting. I'll commit it all the glass and

593
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: once the once, you know, once August rolls around, I'll

594
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: commit the time to just glass him. If that makes

595
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: any sense. Yeah, so you do you do summer glassing

596
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: to them, just tell if there's enough deer or bucks

597
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and that that. Yeah, uh, you know,

598
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: once I find find the vantage vantage points that I'm

599
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna blast from. I mean, that's kind of that's kind

600
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: of the day. I mean, I move around if I

601
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: glass in the area and I feel like I glass

602
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: at uh to a point that you know, I don't

603
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: feel like there's anything in there I want to go after.

604
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: And that could be that could be thirty minutes, or

605
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: it could be two hours, three hours or whatever. Um.

606
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: I might see deer that are acting a certain way

607
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna hang in

608
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: here and see, you know, what they're acting weird about.

609
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Or you know, if if I think that that it's

610
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: dose that might be coming into heat or a dough,

611
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: then I might stay and watch and see if anything

612
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: comes in thereafter. Um. It's there's so many situations when

613
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: you when you're glass and that you can be put in.

614
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: And that's the other great thing about it is, and

615
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: I always go back to, you learn so much when

616
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: you're hunting on the ground, and that's the reason because

617
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: you you might take off after a deer that's on

618
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: on its feet, you might take off after dear bedded uh.

619
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: And if you're going after when they're on their feet,

620
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: then you're making some decisions on where that there is

621
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: gonna where you think that there's gonna be. If you don't,

622
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: if you're unable to keep eyes on. Then you're taking

623
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: some guesses and that's when you start learning on your

624
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: assumptions of what that dear what you know, what that

625
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: deer is gonna do when you lose you know, line

626
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: of sight. But so I pick a place out, Um.

627
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a chair that I carried and uh,

628
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, two or three sets of binoculars and spots cope.

629
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: And I know it sounds crazy, but and I sit

630
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: during glass and um and like I said, it might

631
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: be there short time or a couple of hours and

632
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I'll moved to another spot. There's days that I might

633
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: hit six or seven spots marking not see any deer.

634
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: Do you glass if you have the time, will you

635
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: glass all day? Or do you take the middle of

636
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: the day off and go get lunch? Or what's that

637
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: look like? Most most of the time when once, um,

638
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: once season hits, I'm gonna say about the third week

639
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: of September, first of October. UM, if I'm deer hunting

640
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: and glass and I'm probably I'm probably committed to all

641
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: day unless the weather is just jacked up and and

642
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: it's too hot. That's the only thing that will affect

643
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: me is if it gets hot, and I'm probably gonna

644
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: take mid day off and be back up that that

645
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: Sun said. Um but most of the time I stay

646
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: out all day long. That is you know when I

647
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: say that there are man there, there's people that that

648
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: I I would love the podcast with because of their

649
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: knowledge of deer hunting in southern West Virginia. They're just

650
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: such good deer hunters and they killed deer and I

651
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: killed dear. But I think the biggest thing like for

652
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: me is I feel like nobody's gonna outwork me. Like

653
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: I get opportunities because I stay there. I get opportunities

654
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: because I go as much as I can, no wontter

655
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: what So I think that that that gets paid off

656
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: when you put your time in, you know what I mean?

657
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: Um So, what about time of year? Now? You you

658
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: may be kind of sort of answered it for me

659
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: already saying that you know, once you get to late

660
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: September or early October, you start spending most of the

661
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: day when you can. But does this ground spotting stock

662
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: style work for you early season all the way to

663
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: the late season or is there kind of a sweet

664
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: spot during the rut when most of the success is

665
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: happening or can this happen anytime of the year. Oh,

666
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: they're they're definitely better times to be out there than

667
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: than others. But I mean I had on the ground

668
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: all season long. The thing that affects us, affects me

669
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: us is um is barre season there. There's a long

670
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: season there that comes in around Labor Day for two

671
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: or three weeks. So I really don't deer hunt a

672
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: whole lot during that time unless it's an evening hunt

673
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: after we've got done bear hunt. So I don't get

674
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: started until late September deer hunting Martle. But it doesn't

675
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: matter where. I mean, I hunted in Missouri. I had

676
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: it on the ground three days and I was in

677
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: nothing but Tember. Um. I didn't have any success, but

678
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. I think I'll have success if

679
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: I go back to that area. Now, back to those

680
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: glass and knobs. Um, talk to me a little bit

681
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: about things you're I mean when you say glassing, I

682
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: mean I know simply that's gonna mean you're you're looking

683
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: at the country with your binoculars, with your spotting scope.

684
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: But can you give us some details on you know,

685
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: your glassing process. Is there any little tips or tricks

686
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: you've picked up over the years that you now used

687
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: to be better spotting deer behind buoculars or spine scope.

688
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Is there's certain prices you go through. Is there are

689
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: certain you know you go from left or right and

690
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: then move down the left or right and then down

691
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: or what what does that look like for you? The

692
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: the best way to learn the glasses and we usually,

693
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean usually there's two or three of us glass

694
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: and and the best way to learn for us and

695
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: for me too when I started hunt on the ground

696
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: when I first got when I first got on the

697
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, there was a guy there and logan um.

698
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: His name was Keith Alfred and he hunted on the

699
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: ground a lot. And you know, I don't even know

700
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: how we got buddied up, but we got buddied up.

701
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: And uh, he's the one who got me into turkey hunting.

702
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: And when I started deer hunting with him, and he'd

703
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: hunted on the ground a little bit and spotting stalk

704
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't something you did there in that

705
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: area in the early nineties or no, no not the

706
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: early nights are of two thousands hells put an age

707
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: on me and so we started doing that well, he

708
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: and I wasn't very good at it. We would be

709
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: looking and he said, okay, he said, I see, I see,

710
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, I see three does and uh, well he

711
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't find him, and then he'd give me a

712
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: couple of hints, and from the hints I would find them.

713
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: And then once you found him, you know you're looking

714
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: for that shiny black nose. You're looking for your ear

715
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: flickers or ear shapes. The white patch on their necks

716
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: is just a huge spotter. Um. You know, there are

717
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: times glare uh you know their eyes uh, tail flicker. Um.

718
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: And he would do that every time that he would

719
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: spot a deer before me. He wouldn't say, well, there

720
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: there's a deer right there at two hundred yards under

721
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: that pine tree. We don't have a lot of pine trees.

722
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: I'm just using as an example. Um. He would always say,

723
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I see a buck um in this in this area.

724
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: And so so I started doing that. So now I'm

725
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 1: glassing and I'll have somebody with me, and I'll say, okay,

726
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I see. You know, if i've deer, they're on the move.

727
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, they're moving east to west or south north,

728
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: whatever it be. And the same thing will happen to me,

729
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: is if somebody else is glassing with me, they will say, Okay,

730
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, I see a deer in this area, and

731
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: so you have to find the deer that he spotted.

732
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: And and I know it seems childish, but it helps

733
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: train your eye and your brain to spot those uh

734
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: different parts. You get to see what the guy glassing

735
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: beside you sees to make him find that dear, you

736
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, definitely, I can see it.

737
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: I can see it. They'll be helpful. Yeah. So it's

738
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a game. So you get in

739
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: there and you're like, I want to find the first

740
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: deer because I want to I don't want to have

741
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: to find his deer. I wanna find my own deer,

742
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: and then then he has to find it. So like

743
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: you're looking real hard, um. But you know, most of

744
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: the time, I always I'll start with the binoculars and

745
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: the I scan when I scan, and I know it's

746
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: gonna sound crazy, I I scan it long ws UM,

747
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: so I go up and down across the hill. But

748
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: they're not like drastic w is. They're flatter w is.

749
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, mark Um. And that's how I

750
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I scam with my binoculars is that flat ws all

751
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: the way across, because in if you're if your wes

752
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: are flat enough, let me explain this. If your do

753
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: wes are flat enough, your field of view in your

754
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: binoculars should cover the gap in between your down w

755
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, you're you're you're gonna cover

756
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: everything even though your main focus is that's right, that's

757
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: exactly right. You're gonna cover everything with without actually covering

758
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: everything that peripheral vision will will catch something on the edges. Yes, yeah,

759
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: And then so my the way I scan as I

760
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: was scanned across, and then I dropped back down and

761
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: I come back, I don't go back over and start

762
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: left the right. I then I zig zag going down.

763
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: Um is the way I scan, and and it works

764
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: for me. And then if I see an object that

765
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: I'm unsure of, then I'll get behind the spots coat.

766
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: And if I can't see it after that, then I

767
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: moved to make sure I'll have somebody. If I'm by myself,

768
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: then I'll just have to pick it up. But I

769
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: usually leave somebody there just to keep me on line

770
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: of sights so I can look at it from a

771
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: different angle, whether it's you might only have to move

772
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: twenty yards and you know you can see see something different.

773
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: But that's that's pretty much how I glass and I

774
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: carry I carry us at at twelve by fifties and

775
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: I carry us at a timber forty two's binoculars. Uh

776
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: and uh. And then I had my spots coat and

777
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: then I have a small permon oculars that I use

778
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: actually when I'm on the go. Now do you run

779
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: your I knows on a tripod when you're glassing like that?

780
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Or do you just hand hold them? I hand hold? Okay, well,

781
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: I say a hand hold, but I'm I'm a bone

782
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: support person, so most of the time my elbows are

783
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: inside of my thighs. Uh. And sitting there is mainly

784
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: what I do. Um. But but I hand hold. I

785
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: do like him off. I like him off a monopod.

786
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Um just I have used him off a monopod quite

787
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: a bit. But most of the time I'm just hand

788
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: holding my bios. And then you know, sponts coats on

789
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: tripod and I'm a big angle sportscope guy. What was that? Ah?

790
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: Just comfort because you know, when I'm sitting there, I

791
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: can I can be looking over top with my bios

792
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: and instead of me. No matter if I'm if I'm

793
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: standing up, it doesn't matter. I'm always looking over top

794
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: of my spotting scope. And then if I want to

795
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: use my spotting scope, all I have to do is

796
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: it's already set to my height. Is I just have

797
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: to bend over and put my eye in the ipiece.

798
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: If I am a straight spotting scat, you know, I

799
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: gotta put my bionos down. I've either got a squat

800
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: and and and that's fine if you're if you're only

801
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: doing if you're only looking at a at a you know,

802
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: a crow every two hours, that's fine if you want

803
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: to squat down and look for me. But like if

804
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: you're doing it for hours of the day, it's just

805
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: easier for me to put my bonos on chest and

806
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: I just bend my neck down and I'm already there

807
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: in the I piece and I look. It's just more

808
00:51:51,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: comfortable long term for me. So uh, And that's tony

809
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: much my glass. I mean the and I recommend if

810
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: you're going to hunt on the ground, you get good glass.

811
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: You sacrifice. It's it's like anything, you you get what

812
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: you pay for. Um and good glass will definitely contribute

813
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: to success hunting on the ground. How much of your

814
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: time hunting this way, if you had to make a

815
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: rough ballpark, what percentage of your time spent hunting is

816
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: glassing versus you know, stalking in and trying to make

817
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: a kill? Is it is that it's probably the vast

818
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: majority of your time, right, I should keep track of it.

819
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: But if I had to guess, mark, I'm I'm probably

820
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: glass in sixty seventy percent the time. Yeah, and I

821
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: mean and I mean I'm if i'm if I'm deer hunting,

822
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm glass in sixty percent of time, I'm hanging probably

823
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: sixty five percent time I'm glass and I'm hanging probably

824
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: ten percent or fifteen percent time. And then I'm hunting

825
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: on the ground twenty percent of time going after a deer.

826
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that part, going after one and

827
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: and the decision that happens between glassing and going after one.

828
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: How do you make the decision of when to go?

829
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm not talking about like do I

830
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: want to shoot that dear or not. Let's just say

831
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: like you've determined like, yeah, that's a shooter. But how

832
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: do you determine when's the right time to stop watching

833
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: him and start going after Do you do you always

834
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: wait for him to bed down, or do you always

835
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: wait until he's you know, either that or he's out

836
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: of sight or you know what are the things that

837
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: make you think, Oh, I need to sit and wait

838
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: and keep watching, or no, I gotta go right now.

839
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: Most of the time, I'm gonna go right now, guy, Okay,

840
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: there obviously sitting up there. Once I see it there,

841
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: I want to shoot that man, my my heart and everything.

842
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: You'd be running like a time and chain on my

843
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: fronty car. You know, I'm ready to get after it,

844
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: all right. I started getting excited, Mark, I get that. Yeah,

845
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: so what Out of all the deer I've killed on

846
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: the ground, two of them have been been deer that

847
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: have betted. One of them was a deer that was bedded,

848
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: and I went into his betting area because there was

849
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: no chance of me getting a shot at him otherwise,

850
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: so I got ultra aggressive and went into the betting area.

851
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: Actually bumped him at at twenty five yards um and

852
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: I was in waste the chest high thicket, and you

853
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: know I was moving slow. I know it sounds like well,

854
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: how the hell are you even moving? Um? But so

855
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: most of there I've killed. I go after him as

856
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: soon as I see him when they're on feet, okay,

857
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: and what I was what I was getting to. So

858
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: so you spot them and you're you're excited, so you're

859
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: going after him right away. What are the things that

860
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: you I'm sure that there's a couple of minutes or

861
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: some number of moments after you spot him when you're

862
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: thinking through a couple of key things. I'm betting that

863
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: you're trying to think about, Okay, where is he gonna go?

864
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm betting that you're thinking about, like, you know, where

865
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: do I need to go? I'm betting you're thinking about

866
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: a couple other things. Can you just walk me through

867
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: your thought process immediately after seeing him, Like, what do

868
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: you need to check in your mental checklist before chasing him? Well,

869
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: the absolute first thing that I check in once I

870
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: once a figure rut that I'm gonna go after deer

871
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: is I try to see what the wind is doing

872
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: in that area, because the wind might might be doing

873
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: the same thing over there, or that it is where

874
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm at. That's the you know, that's the joys of

875
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: hunting and the terrible train that we hunting is the

876
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: wind could be blowing north where I'm at, and a

877
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards where I see a deer, it

878
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: could be blowing hard east. And so I checked the

879
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: vegetation to see what the wind's doing where he's at

880
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: number one, Uh, number two, I'm getting what gear I'm

881
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna do. You know, we we were gilly suits, our

882
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: gilly suit that I made most of the time. Sometimes

883
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: it's just too hot, too hot for him. Um. You know,

884
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: we're getting our stuff up. There is time between the

885
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: time that you spot that you're going through and making

886
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: sure you have all everything you need for one before

887
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: you take off after him. And because once you commit

888
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: to a deer, you might be hell, you might be

889
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: four or five six hours on a deer um and

890
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out and there's you know, we

891
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: get into Mark so many different situations. If he's with

892
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: the dough, if it's with bachelor, a bachelor group, if

893
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: it's early season, late season, if he's in the food,

894
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: if he's not in the food, um, and so you're

895
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: running all these things in your head and trying to

896
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: figure out where he's gonna go and then you've got

897
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: to figure out one are you going to go into

898
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: a direct spot stalk or are you gonna try to

899
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: ambush him? And you know, if you're going to ambush him,

900
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: then you're gonna try to figure out where he's coming

901
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: too or where he's going. Uh. Most of the time,

902
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I just try to stay right on him. Now I

903
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: might I might end up going into an ambush strategy

904
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: in the middle of a spot stock because something has changed. Uh.

905
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: But those are the things that I'm thinking about when

906
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: I get ready, goes, am, I gonna go after him

907
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: where I'm am. I going to kind of take my

908
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: time and then try to ambush him here where I

909
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go. And and when you say ambush,

910
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: you mean essentially loop ahead of him to get where

911
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: he's trying to go and be waiting there when he

912
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: covers the final hunter yards or something. Right, Yeah, that's right.

913
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: And and it might not be this, and it don't

914
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: when you're thinking about this, mark, don't think about it

915
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: as like you're gonna throw this big half mile loop.

916
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: You might only move fifty y'all had to day ambushing.

917
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: You might be in your spot stalk and he's moving going, Oh,

918
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna come up this drain over here. I just

919
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: need to I need to jump around here and fiit

920
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: the yards and then he's gonna come up. You know,

921
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: it's just a situational based thing where on the ambush

922
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: he's coming to you. On the spot stalk, you're going

923
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: to him, is the way kind of I would explain it.

924
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in true spot stalk, then you're

925
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: getting aggressive and you're going to the deer. If you're

926
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: going to ambush him the deer, you're gonna let him

927
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: come to you. Now, is there ever a set of

928
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: conditions that would keep you from going after a buck?

929
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: Like if his perfectly still and no when, no sound, anything,

930
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: will that keep you from doing it? Or no matter what,

931
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna try it most most of the time, if

932
00:59:53,680 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: I have time, I'm gonna I'm gonna try it. Yeah, okay,

933
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean I just think that I just think that

934
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: there are very few opportunities once once you're out there.

935
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: And I think that no matter what, and and and

936
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: we go back and forth all the time talking about it,

937
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: whether you it's okay to bump deer? Uh? Do you?

938
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: And I've been on so many deer in in the

939
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: past fifteen years, Um that I've bumped that day, and

940
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: I've watched him run mark across the top of this

941
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: strip mine six seven yards out of sight and be

942
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: right back on that deer next day, you know, So

943
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, bumping them out, I mean, I'm not so

944
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: worried about it because it could be another deer in

945
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: there next day. I'm not. You know, when you're hunting

946
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: on the ground, you're not You're being an opportunist. So

947
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't worry about bumping them. I mean, And the

948
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: only thing that keeps me from going after a deer

949
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: is if the wind is bad. If if if the

950
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: wind's bad, I probably ain't gonna go after him. But

951
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: there's always a different direction to go after him just

952
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: because of the wind. So yeah, Now, on the topic

953
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: of bumping deer, this was something I wondered about and

954
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: and would always be something that I'd be concerned about,

955
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: even though I get what you're saying that a lot

956
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: of times these buck bucks will come right back the

957
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: next day. What happens when you hunt, you know, day

958
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: after day after day, do you ever find that you

959
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,959
Speaker 1: burn out a specific area or do you move around

960
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: and hunt so many different areas in this big country

961
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: that you never end up hunting the same you know,

962
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: sixty acres over and over and over. You're you're kind

963
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: of spreading out that pressure. Have you ever seen anything

964
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: like that or you're able to account for just been moving? Yeah,

965
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean I moved quite a bit, but I mean

966
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: I've laid in areas um for a few days on

967
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: end hunting on the ground, Dear, I killed three years ago.

968
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: I think it was three years ago. I think it

969
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: was in two thousand seventeen or eight teen, Mark. I

970
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: killed a big eight point on the ground and I

971
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: was on that deer I think three days in a row,

972
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: and in this I mean I'm talking about within the

973
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: same same five yards. I was all over that deer.

974
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about when I was on that deer.

975
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: I was on him and he got away from me

976
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. I mean I was hours playing cat

977
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: and mouse um with him, and and and two other

978
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: bucks that was with him. They were in a bachelor

979
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: group in early season, and it never affected those dear.

980
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: I mean I'd be in there in the daytime chasing

981
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: him and they come right back there. You know, that

982
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: night feeding in that area and then I'd spot him

983
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: again in the same grass that I crawled through the

984
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: day before. H and it it never did bother him. Um.

985
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean I ended up killing it during and he

986
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: got fourteen steps from me, and you know I shot

987
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: him in the chest. Yeah, I saw that one. That

988
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: was that was something. Yeah, so that dear, and he

989
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: was with two other bucks And I'm tell you never

990
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: affected and and I and Jay and I laid in

991
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: a very small area mark for for three days chasing

992
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: those deer. Uh and it never affected him. I mean,

993
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: now the wind wind swirls bad up there, but I

994
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: mean we had laid down, seeing I'm not I'm not

995
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: the most sink and sink control guy. Uh So, I mean,

996
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: I know we laid sent down, but it didn't seem

997
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: to bother them. And but I've been in areas that

998
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: we go and you might stay two days and you're

999
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: not gonna see him deer in there for four or

1000
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: five days. Um, it could be because of our sin

1001
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: and we've laid it down and it's spoked him, or

1002
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: it could just be that they're just not in that

1003
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: area in these four or five days. So how much

1004
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of ground do you have

1005
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: in your back pocket? I mean, do you think that

1006
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: coming into a season, are you working with a couple

1007
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: of thousand acres worth the different chunks of public here

1008
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: and here and here that you've got to work with

1009
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: it you'll be bouncing around, or or do you focus

1010
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: on a couple of little hundred acre zones that you

1011
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: know are awesome, or do you have twenty different places

1012
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand acres worth of different general areas that

1013
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: you could picking picking pick from across the course of

1014
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: the season. I'm just kind of curious that someone I

1015
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: would know what they should be thinking about. Well. I mean,

1016
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: say that Mark Kenyon want comes to southern West Virginia

1017
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: spotty stock, and let's say he does because he does

1018
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, Say so you come down there and you

1019
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: don't know me, Okay, so you're coming down just off

1020
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: looking at the area and looking off mapping. I mean,

1021
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: we've got some We don't have a lot of public land,

1022
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: but the public land I got it. Man, It's it's

1023
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: it's hot. I mean, and I don't care to tell

1024
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: your listeners that, uh, we hunted public land big time

1025
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: there for a long time and we still hunt some

1026
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: public in Southwest Virginia. But one of the disadvantages of

1027
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: having a YouTube channel is that people find out where

1028
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: you're hunting, you know, and it is what it is.

1029
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad more people are out there. I am, uh,

1030
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: but I don't hunt a lot of public in West

1031
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: Virginia anymore because of it. But I hunt public in Ohio,

1032
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it, hunt all public in Ohio. UM.

1033
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: But in West Virginia. UM, we've been successful in in

1034
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: leasing land. It's in in so down and down in

1035
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: the southern four Most of your land is owned by

1036
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: land companies, and the land companies lease out to coal companies. UM.

1037
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: So I've been successful in and getting a couple of

1038
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: tracks of land leased in the last couple of years. UM.

1039
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: And you know when I go into the season, I mean,

1040
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: and I have a couple of permissions to hunt out

1041
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: some other coal mining land. I mean, if I had

1042
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: to guess, Mark, I mean, I'm looking at going into

1043
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: hunting season, you know, with eight to ten thousand acres

1044
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: of land that I can glass on. Um. But there's

1045
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand acres in the w m A down

1046
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: there that is hot, you know. And we've seen we've

1047
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: seen monsters and I mean trace in eighteen, I mean

1048
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: we video a hymnspot stalking of Boone and Crockett in

1049
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: the way it ended up getting posched. Uh that there

1050
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: was was on the virgin making it through that year

1051
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: and he ended up getting poached. Ah. But after that year,

1052
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, the crowdedness of hunters because of videos. You know,

1053
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: it got highly populated, if you know what I mean. Um,

1054
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: But it's still good hunting. You just have to you

1055
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: just have to work harder. Yeah, And there's I don't know,

1056
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a half a dozen w mays throughout,

1057
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: um the southern four. I mean there's been people come

1058
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: down a hunter with me the last couple of years. More.

1059
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: And everybody always talks about swamp hunting being tough, but

1060
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: if you can imagine how big the area is in

1061
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: southern West Virginia and the habitats all the same, I mean,

1062
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: the deer there's next to impossible to um put any

1063
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: sort of pattern on them. Most of your your big

1064
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: trophy bucks are nomadic and they might come through where

1065
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: you got them on the pattern. They might come through

1066
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: there every three or four days, where they might come

1067
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: through every day. Uh, but it's very tough because of

1068
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: the habitat hell because it's all the same. Um, they

1069
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: can they could stop and just lay down anywhere and

1070
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same as they were the same

1071
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: type of trainings. If they moved two miles lay down

1072
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: to mar just extremely it. It's very tough white tail hunting. Um,

1073
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: but it would teach you a lot. Yeah. But speaking

1074
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: of that in in that kind of steep country, Uh,

1075
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: if you had to generalize where they typically bet, could

1076
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: you is there any kind of typical thing you could say, Well,

1077
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: they're usually are betting off on these points, are usually

1078
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: on these benches or whatever. Is there anything like that

1079
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: that you can kind of count as a as a

1080
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: usual Yeah, I mean, and and taking both types of trains,

1081
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, on the on the strip jobs they all

1082
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: reclaimed mind lands. Uh. If it has grown up enough

1083
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: up on top, they're gonna nestle in in the in

1084
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: the high brush and the thick brush and stay up

1085
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: high to where the food source is. But now if

1086
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: the acorns hit, they're they're gonna probably be down off

1087
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: the woods. They're not gonna stay up on the strip,

1088
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: So they're gonna they're gonna be in the woods. So,

1089
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: and that's when you change strategies, and they can't go

1090
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: to the big timberance that hunting on the reclamation land. Uh.

1091
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: But if you're hunting in a big timber, I mean

1092
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: most of these most of these bucks are bedded on

1093
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: these points. Uh. And and these finger the spines is

1094
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: what we call them. Because when you got a point

1095
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: that's going straight up and down, it's not much of

1096
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: a point here, mark um. So, and then they're probably uh,

1097
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: I find most of your dear better than the that

1098
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: for two thirds of the hillside. Okay, But now if

1099
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: they if they can, if these reclaimed minds are grown

1100
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: up enough, they're gonna they're gonna stay up pine bed

1101
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: in that in that high brush. And and and that's

1102
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,799
Speaker 1: where that's where I find most of them is bedded

1103
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: down in that reclaimed area. Then let's talk. Let's let's

1104
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: get them back to the stock. Then, so we we

1105
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,520
Speaker 1: kind of covered the things you're thinking about when deciding

1106
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: to stock or not. But let's say you're you're you're going,

1107
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: you've got eyes on one and you're making your move. Now,

1108
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: can you talk me through a few of the things

1109
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: that you're doing or a few of the things you're

1110
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: thinking about when actually on the move. Um, you know,

1111
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: whether that's you know, some things you've learned to help

1112
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 1: you be a quiet right or more stealthy stalker, or

1113
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: some thing's uh that you have to be constantly monitoring

1114
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: on the move. Kind of walk me through what you're

1115
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: doing now that you've become so experienced at this when

1116
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: you're actually trying to close the distance. UM. My biggest

1117
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: thing is I'm I'm I bet you I don't know

1118
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: how many bottles I carry that up and smoke wind checker. Uh.

1119
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: And that's non non affiliated with me, but that's just

1120
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: something I use. But I'll bet you I'll go through

1121
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: four or five bottles a season. Uh. I squeeze it.

1122
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: I might take ten steps and squeeze it. Might take

1123
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: a step and squeeze it, you know. Um, So I'm

1124
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: constantly doing that, and then I'm constantly trying to keep

1125
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: eyes on. Um. That's that is the biggest advantage of

1126
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: hunting the and is if you keep eyes on, you

1127
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: can't keep eyes on, then you don't know if you

1128
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: move or not. And so then you're just you know

1129
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: you I don't know, and then you if you have

1130
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: a spotter that has eyes on and um, I'm always constable.

1131
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking if I stop and i'm glass and I'm

1132
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: stopping an area that I'm able to shoot in no

1133
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: matter what. And what I mean by that mark is

1134
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: is every place that I say that I'm gonna get to,

1135
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna move to. When I get to that area,

1136
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make sure that I can

1137
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 1: swing my bow and what my shots are at that

1138
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: point because everything can happen on the ground in a

1139
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: in an instant um. So I'm always thinking about can

1140
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: I shoot here or you know, I've got my right

1141
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: and find her swing and I'm always checking yard and

1142
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: just because I shoot, I shoot a one pen and

1143
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people don't like that, uh,

1144
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: but i shoot a one pen archery site. So I'm

1145
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: constantly uh. And I pretty much range until I hit

1146
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: thirty yards and my range finder and that's what I

1147
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: range for it because I leave my sight on thirty yards. Um.

1148
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: But I practice with it thirty and shoot down to

1149
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: ten and out to fifty with it. UM. So I'm

1150
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: constantly ranging, constantly sent checking, and then I'm constantly moving.

1151
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean I'm pretty aggressive hunter when it comes to

1152
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: moving on the deer. If I'm bumping, then I'm just

1153
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: giving him and myself. I give myself a time, you know,

1154
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: take a breath, but I'm giving that there just a

1155
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: minute to cool down, and then I'm going right back

1156
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: after him if I can. You know, I'm I'm not

1157
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: going I'm not gonna if I bump a deer, I'm

1158
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: not gonna give up on him and say, Okay, well

1159
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: let's go find another one. Um, I stay on that

1160
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: deer until so I know he's I ain't gonna have

1161
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: a chance at him, you know. Um. So that's kind

1162
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: of the thing that I'm that's going through my head is, Um,

1163
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: I don't a lot of people take their shoes off

1164
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: and have thick socks. I've never done that. Um. You know,

1165
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm not much on thorns and rocks and stuff hitting

1166
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: my feet. Um So I just I keep my boots on.

1167
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: I word fair like Tennessee type boots. Um and Uh.

1168
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: A lot of time I'm running, and a lot of

1169
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: time I'm depending on what If I'm I'm trying to

1170
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: catch up with him or not. I mean, but if

1171
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: I bump him, I just keep on staying on him,

1172
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: and it's worked out sometimes and sometimes it doesn't work out.

1173
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a funny thing when you're when you're hunting

1174
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: on the ground because you're anticipating so much to happen

1175
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: at every stop, but then none of those things happen.

1176
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 1: So then you then you take another mental note and

1177
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: go okay, and I need to move now. And then

1178
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: you stop again. You take a mental note, I need

1179
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: to okay, check your shot, check your win. You know,

1180
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: everything good. You know, we filmed too, so you're you know,

1181
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: I've got an extra man with me the whole time

1182
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: over my shoulder, which makes it just a different level.

1183
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: So I'm happy to make sure that he's good too,

1184
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: because he's rolling right along with me. And uh so

1185
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: they're just a multiple things running through your head. So

1186
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: it's a it's a constant mental battle of saying, Okay,

1187
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: it's going to happen here, and then something, you know,

1188
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: some quirk or something prinsent it doesn't happen. Well, then

1189
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: you've got to change modes and say, okay, take a breath,

1190
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, take a step back, and then go go again. Um.

1191
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 1: And I like that part of it. I think that

1192
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: that's a challenging part of it is they are you

1193
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: Are you just going to tucktail and run or are

1194
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: you going to see if you close the deal? Yeah? Um,

1195
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: And like I said before, most of the time I'm unsuccessful,

1196
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: but I tend to connect all the dots sometimes try

1197
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: it long enough and it comes together, right. Yeah, I

1198
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: mean it. I mean everybody around around there knows our

1199
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: ground hunt. I mean I love it, and I have

1200
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: I have found success in it. Uh. I've learned a

1201
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: lot from it. I've had a lot of of failures

1202
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: in it too, but they're not failures really because you're

1203
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: always learning from them. But you know that there I

1204
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: killed last year. I think I was on that there

1205
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: four and a half hours more and I bumped that deer.

1206
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: Wom I bumped that deer five to seven times? Uh,

1207
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: And he was with the dough so that made it.

1208
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: That made it better for me, better for the hunter. Uh.

1209
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: And then he ran completely out of sight and Jake

1210
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: Cameraman he was like, man, he said, man, that sucks.

1211
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: He said, we had a lot of time in that there,

1212
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, we're not done. He said,

1213
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: it's a long way away. And I said, well, we'll

1214
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: we're going for a long walk, you know, and and

1215
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 1: it just so happened that I went, I walked that,

1216
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: we went all the way down there, and I watched

1217
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: that though in that buck bed down you know, a

1218
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards blow me, you know. Just just sorry,

1219
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: sorry interrupt, but before you go any further. Yeah, I

1220
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: think this story maybe it is worth telling from the

1221
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: beginning because I think it illustrates a lot of stuff

1222
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: we talked about and it might be helpful. Can you

1223
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: just start from the beginning and kind of tell the story,

1224
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: but maybe point out some of the how to stuff

1225
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: that we've been covering throughout, um, and kind of walk

1226
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: us through how that began all the way up to this,

1227
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: because I when I watched this, I was kind of

1228
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: floored how it all came together and how many times

1229
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: you kept finding him despite him running off and all that.

1230
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: It was pretty interesting. So I'd love to maybe let's

1231
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: dive deep into that. Okay, So you know, that morning,

1232
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: we're glassing and I'm glassing from from you know, probably

1233
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: six or seven hundred yards way, and I see it, dear,

1234
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: and I can't tell really his size. Um, So we

1235
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: we take off in the truck and we swing around

1236
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: and then I get out of the truck when I

1237
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: think I get to an area where I think I

1238
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: can see him, but I'm not a sure because I

1239
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: lost I lost sight of him. Well, we crawl over

1240
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: this berm and we spot the deer and um and

1241
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: he bust us. You know, we're two hundred yards from him,

1242
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: and he sees me. I tried to get up on

1243
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: my knees on the berm, and he sees me, and

1244
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: he bust us with the dough and he starts chasing

1245
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: the dough across this bottom. Well, from that point on,

1246
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: he knows that we're there, he knows that something's up,

1247
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: but he also is chasing tail, you know, so he

1248
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: has to figure out what's best for him. Well, so

1249
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: we we take off running, and this deer's out of

1250
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: sight at this point, and I get up above him

1251
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: because the wind is you know, it's early in the morning,

1252
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: so the wind I can have a cross wind with

1253
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: the thermals are coming up out of the holler. They're

1254
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: rising because it got warm that day fast. So I

1255
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: get up above him and I'm I'm glass and again

1256
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: trying to find him, just trying to find a horn

1257
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: or whatever, and all of a sudden, he pops up

1258
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: sixty yards from us. Uh, and I'm like, oh my god,

1259
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: there he is, Jake, and and I'm thinking, hey, we're

1260
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: done for here. And we're sitting there looking at this

1261
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: deer and we're in a we're in a stair down

1262
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: for eight or ten minutes that we we don't move,

1263
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: and uh, he's looking at the dough, looking at us,

1264
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: looking at the dough, looking at us. And I'm telling Jake,

1265
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: I said, something's gonna happen here. You know, we're going

1266
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: So then the deer takes off the dough. Well, some

1267
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: other bucks get involved and they're chasing the deer around. Well,

1268
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: they start chasing deer, and I was like, well, this

1269
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: is time for us to move. Well, I watched him chase.

1270
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: They chase this dough around probably a hundred fifty yards

1271
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,919
Speaker 1: and it gets in the real CRPS. It's not CRP

1272
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: in West Virginia, but it's that type of vegetation. Um,

1273
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: we don't cut people in some way it's CRP. But

1274
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: people in West Virginia considered they don't caught c RP.

1275
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: They just called a briar thicket, you know. And so

1276
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: we're waist deep in this. When I run, I take

1277
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: off running, and I'm gonna i'mnna interject one thing here,

1278
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna do this throughout. I'm gonna

1279
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: kind of try to pick on little things. And this

1280
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 1: is one of the more general questions I had, but

1281
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: it applies here. And and so when you're deciding when

1282
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: to go fast versus when to go slow, what how

1283
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: do you make that decision, like when you're gonna run

1284
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: or try to cover a bunch of ground, or when

1285
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: you gotta sneak, I mean, is it? Is it simply?

1286
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some obvious things like there's obviously he's

1287
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: gonna see you or hear you better. The simplest thing

1288
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: mark is and and people don't need overthinking. The simplest

1289
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: thing in your speed is distance between you and the deer.

1290
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: If you can walk to the deer and you're and

1291
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: he's not gonna leave, and the time constraints aren't going

1292
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: to make him leave, and hey, walk by all means um.

1293
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: But if if you know that that you need to

1294
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: move on that deer and get to him, that then

1295
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: you need to pick up the place. That's the it's

1296
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: it it. Don't overthink it. I mean, and you're foul

1297
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: it up. You'll think you need to run sometimes and

1298
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: you run heading eyes on them five yards you'll put

1299
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: You'll be running and go over the hill and then

1300
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: oh gosh, there he is, and then then it's over with.

1301
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: But then there's times that you might think you need

1302
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: to walk, and then by time you walk over, there

1303
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: be long gone. Uh So, if you if you have

1304
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: distance between you and the animal you're going after, my

1305
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: opinion is is you need to close that distance so

1306
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: you can get eyes on the deer because in the end,

1307
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: having eyes on is the most important thing that will

1308
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: tell you what you're gonna do and what you're gonna

1309
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: do next. How much, sorry, how much do you worry

1310
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: about other deer? So you know you gotta cover a

1311
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: bunch of ground, let's say, but what if there's a

1312
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: dole in between you and him or or are you

1313
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: little buck or something and you know that buck's getting

1314
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: further and further away, But now you've got a little

1315
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: buck standing in the way. Do you just blow that

1316
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: deer out because you want to keep moving, or do

1317
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 1: you stop and try not to spook any deer? Because

1318
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: he might spook your big buck. No, if it if

1319
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: it's if it's a shooter. If a shooter comes into

1320
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: range while I'm in the middle of a chase, then

1321
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: I then I shoot that deer. If it's any other deer,

1322
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: I could care less about him. I'm going I'm going

1323
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: to the deer I'm after. So you're not worried about

1324
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: those deer spooking on the target. No, I don't. If

1325
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: if they do spooking, mark you know, like I said,

1326
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: he's just gonna go into another area and then I'm

1327
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: just gonna go into that area and finding Yeah, okay,

1328
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean I know that sounds bad, but these dear.

1329
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: So many people have a misconception that these deer are

1330
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: running a thousand yards from you when you if you

1331
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: bump them, and and they might, but a majority of

1332
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: there that I've bumped. If I give them a few

1333
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: minutes and I look at the train, and I can

1334
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: probably go in that area and find it dear in

1335
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: the next thirty minutes. If I give myself enough time

1336
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 1: to to the glass and look, I'm probably gonna find

1337
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: that dear again. And you'd be surprising. I mean, I mean,

1338
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: people would give up at that point because they think

1339
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: that there's gonna they're not running, they're running just because

1340
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: you scared them. It'd be like you you running, if

1341
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: you got scared of of something, You're gonna stop once

1342
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: you once you get away from it, unless it keeps

1343
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: on running after you. You know. It's the same thing

1344
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: on us, dear. I mean, um so, I say, if

1345
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: to decide your pace is how much distance you gotta

1346
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: get to keep eyes on the on the animal, And

1347
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: you might screw that up, but having eyes on is

1348
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the number one thing, because that's gonna that's gonna tell

1349
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: you your next move. Yeah. Uh. And and so when

1350
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: that dear took off and I lost, I lost a

1351
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: line of sight with him, you know. And part of

1352
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: that was because of terrain I chose to. I chose

1353
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: to lose line of sight because I said that there,

1354
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: if he comes around this knob, then I'm gonna be good.

1355
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then I can use the knob as

1356
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: cover and I'll go up and over the knob and

1357
01:27:55,080 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: I'll be on top of the deer. Uh. Well, in

1358
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: that instance when I used that knobs train, the me

1359
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: and the deer actually met up on the knob and

1360
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: I bumped him again. Um, and I thought at that time,

1361
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: I did think that it was over at that point, um,

1362
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: and I watched the dear run. I don't know, he

1363
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: probably run two or three hundred yards. And as soon

1364
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: as he went over the hill, I took off running

1365
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: after him. I didn't worry about how much noise I

1366
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: was making in that brush. I just wanted to get

1367
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: eyes back on him. But when I got like fifty

1368
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: yards from the edge, I went to a crawl, not

1369
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: like a on fours on all fours crawled, but I

1370
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: started sneaking. Uh. And there was a couple of trees,

1371
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: if I remember right, there was a couple of pine

1372
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: trees right under on the edge where he had gone over.

1373
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: And I used those as cover walking up to the edge.

1374
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 1: And this is the edge of what this is the

1375
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: edge of a steep hill that he went over. Uh,

1376
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: it's grassy, train reclaimed brushy, it's just a slope, um

1377
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: and lo and behold. I got there, and you know

1378
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: you're you're just kind of going to the edge as

1379
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: you can see a little bit at a time, and

1380
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like seventy yards away, I see

1381
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: his times and I put my binners up, and I

1382
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,520
Speaker 1: told think, I said, I said, man, I said, we're

1383
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: back in it. Man, I said, he's right here, and

1384
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: all that dear did. He ran like two hundred yards

1385
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: and went over that slope and he felt safe and

1386
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: he stopped um because the dough was back up there

1387
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: with us. Now, the dove eventually went down there with him,

1388
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: and so I at that point, I'm just watching him

1389
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: and so and this is when I got I kind

1390
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: of got aggressive because he was getting close to the

1391
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: timber and there was the major thicket between me in

1392
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: the woods, and then he was in the middle of us,

1393
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: and he was getting ready to get in that thicketing.

1394
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: I knew I wouldn't get a shot if he got

1395
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: in there. So I rounded the knob and I'm sneaking

1396
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: at this point because I don't know where he's at,

1397
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know where the dough is at. And I go

1398
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: around the point and I told Jake, I said stop,

1399
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: I said, I said, dag on, I said, the does

1400
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: right here, and he was gonna wear and I was

1401
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: like like seven or eight steps in front of us,

1402
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: and and I'm thinking, man, this could be over, and

1403
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't see him and but I

1404
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: hear him come, and I said, old old tar left.

1405
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: And I look and I see his horns and I

1406
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: see his face. I mean, he he pops up at

1407
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: nine yards from me, and I'm not even pointing, like

1408
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm pointing at twelve. He pops up at ten and

1409
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: I can't move. All I'm doing is looking at him.

1410
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: And so we and it was crazy. And I don't

1411
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: know if we were in the shadows at that point,

1412
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: I can't have to go back and kind of look.

1413
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: But like that dear, I didn't see he saw us,

1414
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: and he knew something was wrong, but like they didn't

1415
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: blow out there or nothing to do, kind of just

1416
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: trotted off and he went right with her. Uh. And

1417
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: I kind of turned and ran back the way I

1418
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: came from, and I moved, and at that point I

1419
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: had moved too fast. I ran back around, and because

1420
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: I thought they kind of busted out there faster than

1421
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: they did. Well, then when I came back around, I

1422
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: actually they had come back down already. And this is

1423
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: only thirty seconds. All they did was just jump out

1424
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: of my line of sight. And I came back around

1425
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: the knob and and they weren't even they were alert

1426
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: but I bumped them again, and that's when they took

1427
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: off and ran a long way, and I was like,

1428
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, uh, because I have them so close.

1429
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean nine, archy mean you thump them,

1430
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean uh? And then you know it

1431
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: had been exhausting. I mean I think I've been on

1432
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: it there three or three nap hours at that time.

1433
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: Um bumping him and put his paint cat and mouse,

1434
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: and and Jake was like man. I was like, no, man,

1435
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: I said. He said it got hot, and he did

1436
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: get hot that day. And I said, well, did you

1437
01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: bear strip your clothes off? We ain't stopping now. So

1438
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: we run down there, h and we got into a

1439
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 1: valley field and that's a that's an area that the

1440
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 1: strip mine throw they dump all the over burden and

1441
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: then they reclaiming it's really nice area, but it just

1442
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: lo and behold, Mark, I got down there. Something told

1443
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: me to go after him. And why did you, sorry,

1444
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: why did you After they ran off way off and disappeared,

1445
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: that what they got out to say right after the

1446
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: big long run. So just help me understand what why

1447
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: you went to that valley field? Was it simply because

1448
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: like that's the direction they're headed or how did you

1449
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: how did you pick him back up again? I guess

1450
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 1: in that well, my thought was, as I had been

1451
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 1: on it there for so long that they couldn't they

1452
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 1: couldn't stand it no more. I mean it was getting hot,

1453
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: They're going to have to stop. I mean they had

1454
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 1: been He had been running this dobefending, defending the dough

1455
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: from other sucks. He mounted that though at one point.

1456
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: Uh and and you know, did his thing there, So

1457
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 1: you know he's tired. I knew he was tired. Uh

1458
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: she's you know, he's done wore her out. Uh So

1459
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: what made me go after was like, man, you know

1460
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: what if they just got over to Valley Hill and

1461
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: they're just chilling out, you know, they just want to

1462
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 1: get away from everybody. Uh it's it's just like people.

1463
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Uh So when I did, I decided to go after him,

1464
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: and and man, uh got over there, and I mean

1465
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 1: got to watch him bed down with her. I mean

1466
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. So then we was able.

1467
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: I was able to kind of sit down and take

1468
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: a breath. I checked the wind and the wind was

1469
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: still coming straight up out of the holler, and I said, man,

1470
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 1: I said I'm gonna get a shot on this deer

1471
01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: for sure, And so to the game plan together, and um,

1472
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: I went way around to get down on a level

1473
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 1: above him. Uh, and I started crossing it. Um. You know.

1474
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: It took about an hour or so to stalk in

1475
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: there and and got in above him. And I got

1476
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: in above him, and he stood up a couple of

1477
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: times and I thought I was gonna get a shot,

1478
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: and he just beed back down and I was like,

1479
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: oh man. And then it's just mentally draining because you're

1480
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: sitting there arranging him, and you range him one time

1481
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: and you know that's it, But then you start questioning yourself.

1482
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Did I arrange him? He said? Is that the right

1483
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: range I catch? Did I catch grass? You know? And

1484
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: these are things that place in my mind, you know,

1485
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: because you start to get exhausted. And then uh, at

1486
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 1: the moment he stood up and and I pulled back

1487
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: when he stood up because I figured that would be

1488
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: my time to shoot. And you know, I sit there

1489
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: and held for probably thirty or forty five and before

1490
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 1: he gave me an angle because he was too steep.

1491
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't like shooting that steep of an angle. But

1492
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: they're going away from you. But he turned perfect man

1493
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I was ready to shoot, and and I

1494
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: put it through the boiler room, I mean and the

1495
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: and it was just a I got super pumped. And

1496
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't the biggest deer I've ever killed, uh, but

1497
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: it was one of the most successful hunts that I've

1498
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: that I've done. Um. And you know, when you're on

1499
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: a deer like that, it's not always Uh. I don't know, well,

1500
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 1: I've never considered size of a measuring factor of how

1501
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: successful Huney is. But um, that was a good hunt.

1502
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: It was a good successful hunt, and there was a

1503
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that went on during a hunt that

1504
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: that made me a better hunter. Um. And I think

1505
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: that's a big, big take on it. Two questions when

1506
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, all of those you had

1507
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 1: a bunch of different moments where you're kind of stalking

1508
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 1: it on them, and you were closing the distance and

1509
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: getting close, and you mentioned how you're you're always puffing

1510
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: your bottle checking that wind. Uh. And you mentioned a

1511
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: couple of times thermals. Can you just walk me through

1512
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 1: anything else when it comes to wind, Like one of

1513
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: the things that some guys out west will typically try

1514
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: to do. Is is they like to stalk in with

1515
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: maybe a quartering two wind or across wind or or

1516
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: some people will always say, well I want the wind

1517
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 1: directly in my face. Like, well, they'll adjust their approach

1518
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: based on wind directions. Sometimes, Um, do you ever factor

1519
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: and wind above and beyond simply making sure it's not

1520
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: blowing to them? Or is it just as simple just

1521
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: make sure my wind is not blown to them, and

1522
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: then you don't care. Other factors are more important after that.

1523
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: What's what's your take there? I mean, I think wind

1524
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: is the most you know, besides the line of side

1525
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: is the most important factor, because sometimes I think that

1526
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the winds wereld so bad down there where we hunt. Uh.

1527
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean you you see that hunting um in that

1528
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: big eight point I was talking about earlier. Um, that

1529
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: wind was blowing directly at that deer for half of

1530
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: that hunt. And then you can see when I get

1531
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: down on the same level with him and he starts

1532
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: coming to us. At that wind, it's just rolling in circles.

1533
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: You can see it high grass, and you watch the

1534
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: wind go through that high grass and it's just blowing.

1535
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: It's just blowing in circles up or on top of

1536
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: that flat it's got there. No thermal's gonna knock it

1537
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: down or raise it up because you're you're so flat

1538
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: up there on top. But you can watch the wind

1539
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: in the video and it's just running round and round,

1540
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: and that deer it's just watching me. But for the

1541
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: first that evening when I killed that deer, I'm telling you,

1542
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: for the first forty five minutes at a hunt, that

1543
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: wind was blowing dead at him. I mean, you can

1544
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 1: hear me in the video. I said, when I bumped

1545
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: bumped him out of the bed, I said, don't go

1546
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: that way. And I said, oh, I said, I said,

1547
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: it's over, jay, I said, he's going, I said, and

1548
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: I counted down from five or three to one. I said,

1549
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 1: here he goes, and he stops, and he looks, and

1550
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: then he just goes about his business. And I mean,

1551
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: it's blowing right to him. And you know, I mean,

1552
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: I said, a heck. I said, if anyone borrow you

1553
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: angle ball me, I tell him coming. I'm coming after you.

1554
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: But because I want to thump him, How did you

1555
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: how do you figure you were able to get away

1556
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 1: with that? Why did why? Why did that work? Uh?

1557
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Number one, that's set up that evening for that situation.

1558
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: Why it worked? And Uh one, I think I had

1559
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 1: the son uh at my back and I stayed in

1560
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: the shadows. And I don't think that dear I think

1561
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,600
Speaker 1: that Dearre just he knew something was there, but like

1562
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't know what was going on or

1563
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: what it wasn't. He just wanted to get closer to

1564
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: figure out what I was. Um. But I stayed in

1565
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: the shadows so well that evening. And you know, if

1566
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: you stay in the shadows and you use the sun,

1567
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:35,679
Speaker 1: I mean you you can you can blend in where

1568
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: nothing can see you pretty damn good. You know that

1569
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: was gonna be the next question I was gonna ask

1570
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: about two was was how often are you thinking about

1571
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: sun direction? Is that something that? Yeah? I mean concealment um,

1572
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: concealments you know, top three UM on the on the chart.

1573
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 1: For me, when I'm on the ground, it's you know,

1574
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: pretty much, I like to keep side of them. I

1575
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: checked my wind and then I tried to stay concealed. Um.

1576
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: But they're sometimes like they know you're there, so you

1577
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: might as well just get after it. You know, who

1578
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: cares if they see you? You know? Um? But I

1579
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: like to staying concealed, and I hate I hate, you know,

1580
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 1: looking like I'm a solar panel. You know, it's the

1581
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: worst feeling in the world when you're in that situation.

1582
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: And I and I was in this in this past fall.

1583
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I even talked about it on

1584
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:38,799
Speaker 1: that video. It was like, this is just terrible setup.

1585
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: This is a terrible situation right at that moment, not

1586
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the whole stock, but like where I went to in

1587
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: the stock, Like it just wasn't a good situation at

1588
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: that moment. And I even mentioned it in the video.

1589
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: It's like, this just isn't good. I mean, we're shipping

1590
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: down here, We're like a big thing on Christmas tree

1591
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: lit up and it's just not good. Um. So you

1592
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: hate to put yourself there, but that's just the direction

1593
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: that that stock went and we end up getting out

1594
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:13,679
Speaker 1: of that and getting back you know, tire advantage. But yeah,

1595
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: you don't want to light yourself up. That's in any

1596
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 1: type of hunt. And I think that that you do. Yeah,

1597
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's that's definitely a you gotta consider all that.

1598
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, in every situation, mark is different, every hunt's different, um.

1599
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: And that's the greatest things. Probably the greatest thing about

1600
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 1: hunt on the ground is you might cover the same train,

1601
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,839
Speaker 1: but it ain't gonna be the same hunt. How about shots?

1602
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 1: I know on that two thousand seventeen or eighteen hunt,

1603
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: when that buck came walking right up on you, you

1604
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 1: had to take a frontal shot. I know on that

1605
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: other the most recent season, you had that buck that

1606
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: was standing up and laying down and standing up for

1607
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,600
Speaker 1: a long time, and it took a while. You know,

1608
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: what are some of the unique things you need to

1609
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 1: think about when hunting and shooting at ground level? Um?

1610
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: And maybe some unique shots like that frontal shot versus

1611
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: will you ever shoot at a bedded deer or do

1612
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 1: you always wait from the stand up? I'd be curious

1613
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: on your just your take on all that. Well, Uh,

1614
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: frontal shots, I'll take them every day as long as

1615
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,719
Speaker 1: it's within twenty five yards, um. I And I caught

1616
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: I caught hale for taking that frontal shot. Um. But

1617
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: that deer didn't go any yards and he piled up

1618
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: like a sack of potatus, you know, um, and I

1619
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: feel comfortable taking that frontal shot. I ain't gonna take

1620
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: it out thirty thirty five yards because I'm not comfortable

1621
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: with that, but I'm gonna take it every day that

1622
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: one walks at me, or if I catch one, uh

1623
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: from probably yards and I'm taking it um then but

1624
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: then totally office that that deer this past fall was

1625
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 1: forty nine yards uh, and I could have slung an

1626
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: arrow at him when he was betted down. But that's

1627
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: not a good shot. That's not a good it's not.

1628
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: My opinion is it's not a good decision to shoot

1629
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: at any any deer to betted down. It's just a

1630
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 1: very hard shot. Uh. You might have you know odds

1631
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: that a deer is laying perfect for you to take

1632
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: a shot betted down. You know most of the time

1633
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: their their garden, their vitals when they're laying down. Um,

1634
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 1: from what I've experienced, So I don't take you, I don't.

1635
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I have very I don't know if

1636
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: I shot at any better deer. Um. Oh I did,

1637
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: I did? H I shot at a better deer. Um.

1638
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: It was probably in tuoth day I was in or

1639
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: two thousand one, and it was in the big woods,

1640
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: uh that I that I spot and stalked on this

1641
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 1: big deer. I was chasing another big buck in the

1642
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 1: woods and then saw him with the dough and and

1643
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: turn my attention to him. And when I got over there,

1644
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: he was bedded down, and I shot at him bedded down. Uh,

1645
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 1: And it ended up being a mistake. I missed that deer.

1646
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 1: And but I think that's the only dear that I've

1647
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: shot at bettered down. I don't take that shot a lot,

1648
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: just because I don't like it. Um. But when you're

1649
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: when you're on the ground, you gotta be ready to shoot.

1650
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I say you always check. You can't

1651
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: stop somewhere where you can't shoot, because if you do

1652
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: that enough times, you're gonna get caught with your bridges down. Uh.

1653
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:56,759
Speaker 1: It's simple as that. So you gotta take what mistakes

1654
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: that could possibly happen out of the equation. You've gotta

1655
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 1: put everything in your odds that you can. And that's

1656
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 1: a simple thing. If you stop, that's the first thing

1657
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: that you're thinking about, is can I shoot right here?

1658
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 1: If you think about that every time, then that that

1659
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: that part of the equation is out. So now the

1660
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: odds are in your favor again. You know what I mean.

1661
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: You're trying to eliminate stuff that I'll screw you up?

1662
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 1: Uh that and it's perfect example Mark is Uh. I

1663
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: was in Ohio two days after I killed it dere

1664
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: in West Virginia this year. It was November three or fourth,

1665
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember. And I got on the ground with

1666
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: a with a with a nice tin point. And do

1667
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,679
Speaker 1: you know why that I didn't kill that dear Because

1668
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: when I tucked in it was a I mean, it's

1669
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: thinking perfect setup. When was perfect, I had perfect cover.

1670
01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: Dere come forty yards a broadside. And the reason I

1671
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,360
Speaker 1: didn't kill it there is because when I went to

1672
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 1: pull my bow back, the top half of my limb

1673
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 1: on my top limb on my bow teamed on an

1674
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 1: autumoblive branch and that dear blue and took off. That

1675
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: was not That was my mistake. It should not have happened.

1676
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 1: I beat myself for probably a good three or four

1677
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: days on that um because I normally don't. I mean,

1678
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 1: I make a lot of mistakes, but I normally don't

1679
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 1: make that mistake. I'm usually very in tune with my

1680
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: immediate surroundings, if that makes sense. Uh. You gotta be

1681
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 1: able to shoot to kill something, and I wasn't. And

1682
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't get a shot at that dear

1683
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: and it was a puke. Um. And you gotta be

1684
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: ready for any shot. I mean, I think every every

1685
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 1: person uh has to find their comfort level on what

1686
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 1: they can shoot. There's been years Mark that I've told myself,

1687
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: a I'm not shooting. I'm not shooting past thirty five

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01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: yards um. And I wouldn't because I didn't practice enough.

1689
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 1: I didn't uh put the reps in. This past year,

1690
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 1: I would have shot out to sixty yards and felt

1691
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: comfortable because I shot a lot. I practiced a lot,

1692
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: I put a lot of time in. So I think

1693
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: that that every person, to every every hunter, uh, they

1694
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: have to figure that out on themselves. Uh. Comfort live

1695
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: on shots. I mean, I don't shoot it better deer.

1696
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: If if you feel comfortable shooting a better deer more

1697
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: they have at it. Um. But I'll take a frontal

1698
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 1: shot and a lot of people won't take those. Um.

1699
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 1: But it's devastating when you hit him. Yeah, the you

1700
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,600
Speaker 1: don't want that worst case scenario, well devastating if you

1701
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: hit him right and kill him. You're right, I was gonna.

1702
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking of it as it would be devastating

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01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: to hit and wound one though um, and not find

1704
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: it on the flip side. So it's like you said,

1705
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be comfortable. It's got to be within your

1706
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 1: within your skill range, and in my time you put

1707
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: in and making sure you know how to handle those

1708
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: specific situations. So it's uh, it's all um, it's all

1709
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: situational and it's all within a within a person's skill set.

1710
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: So so what about this, Josh. We've kept you a

1711
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 1: long time, and it's because we've had a lot of

1712
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: really good stuff to cover. I've enjoyed it. Body me too.

1713
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: I could probably talk deer and hunt on the ground

1714
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 1: for six hours. Be careful what you what you pitch

1715
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 1: out there, because I might just to make you prove it.

1716
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: I left talking deer and on the ground stuff too.

1717
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: Uh Well, let me let me ask one last question

1718
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:10,760
Speaker 1: and I'll let you get going because I know you've

1719
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:12,759
Speaker 1: got to. You might have an early more in turkey

1720
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: hunting probably tomorrow. Um. For I'm just thinking of folks

1721
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: that are listening who have typically hunted from a tree

1722
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 1: stand or a saddle or whatever. They're typically elevated ambush hunters.

1723
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: But they've seen you doing this, They've seen Kirk doing this,

1724
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 1: they've seen Zach do this from th HP that they're

1725
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 1: seeing this more and more and they're thinking, man, I

1726
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,560
Speaker 1: gotta give it a shot. Um. And I know you

1727
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 1: there's some people within your circle, some of your friends

1728
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 1: who have been stand hunters, who you've kind of converted

1729
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:45,759
Speaker 1: to hunting the ground. What would you say the biggest

1730
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 1: mistake is that you've seen stand hunters making when they

1731
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: try to transition to this ground style. What's the biggest

1732
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: thing that folks need to avoid that And and this

1733
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:05,680
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound uh corny, but it's it's the

1734
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: not wanting to make a mistake, if that makes any sense.

1735
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: M H. Stand hunters they don't want to get out

1736
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 1: of their comfort zone because they don't want to make mistakes.

1737
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: And that's I can tell you right now. You're hunting

1738
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: on the ground. Ain't nothing gonna be perfect. It ain't

1739
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:29,839
Speaker 1: it ain't you know, double dips of ice cream in chocolate.

1740
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:35,600
Speaker 1: It's Uh, you're gonna make mistakes, but the mistakes you

1741
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 1: gotta learn from him. It's it's it's like, the only

1742
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: dumb question is the one you don't ask. Yeah. Uh,

1743
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 1: that's the same thing for hunters that have never grounded.

1744
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 1: Hell I think everybody how to get up there and try. Now,

1745
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 1: they might not like it. The thing to do is

1746
01:51:54,120 --> 01:52:01,240
Speaker 1: to uh is to go at your pace, but go

1747
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: at a deliberate pace. I know what your plan is,

1748
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:09,520
Speaker 1: your mindset, get your mind right, and and be deliberate

1749
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: on how you hunt. Um and be focused is what

1750
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, that'd be my biggest advice.

1751
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're going to make mistakes. But there's

1752
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 1: so much information out there that now on so many

1753
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:31,439
Speaker 1: different levels and forms that I didn't have there you

1754
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,640
Speaker 1: know at that age that you'd uh, you know when

1755
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 1: I started ground hunting, it was when I first got

1756
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,640
Speaker 1: on rinkorn. Heck, we just cut out there and it

1757
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 1: was trial and everybody, gosh, Um, now you can you

1758
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: can get good information off a lot of these forms

1759
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 1: that will help you that we increase your opportunities right

1760
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: out of the right out of the gate. H. You

1761
01:52:54,880 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: just gotta get out there and trying. Yeah, yeah, that

1762
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 1: right there. I think you you you hit the nail

1763
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: on the head. As far as one of the things

1764
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 1: that I know that you know, the little that I

1765
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 1: have dabbled in this um has been something that that

1766
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've been guilty of, which is just that

1767
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 1: very thing, afraid, like being afraid of failure, so much

1768
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 1: of stand hunting, so much of you know, your typical

1769
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: deer hunting advice these days, and I'm guilty of having

1770
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 1: like preached this, which which is don't bump deer, don't

1771
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 1: overpressure deer, don't blow up your spot, um and and

1772
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 1: this and this style is like the opposite of all

1773
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: those things. So m I don't know if this style

1774
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 1: is opposite. It might just be me. I don't. I

1775
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:46,600
Speaker 1: don't put a lot of emphasis on those things. But

1776
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 1: but your your track record shows that it works. You know,

1777
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of ways this can work. And

1778
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 1: and I think that's what makes this so cool is

1779
01:53:56,120 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: that your way works and my way works, and everyone's different.

1780
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to hundreds of different people now

1781
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,640
Speaker 1: who are doing this stuff consistently and killing deer and

1782
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,599
Speaker 1: putting mature bucks down or whatever it is they're trying

1783
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 1: to do, and and there's been several hundred different ways

1784
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 1: of doing it. So I love that. I love that

1785
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: you can skin this cat in so many different kind

1786
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: of ways. You just kind of kind of find out

1787
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 1: what's the right thing for you. I mean, we didn't

1788
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,599
Speaker 1: get into it. I mean, but most of the time

1789
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:28,680
Speaker 1: now because I've kind of converted to a saddle hunter. Uh,

1790
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm carrying my saddle with me if

1791
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm on the ground. There have been times now it

1792
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 1: hadn't worked out for me since I've been saddle hunting,

1793
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 1: but there have been times and that they would open

1794
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 1: in a whole another can mark. You know, I'll be

1795
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 1: on the ground hunting, but I'll run across this sign

1796
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 1: and I'll get the tree right then, you know, i

1797
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 1: won't ground hunt anymore that day. I'll climb and get

1798
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 1: get in the tree. Um. So it's all, you know,

1799
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 1: you just gotta give yourself the right tools, um for

1800
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, any possible situation you run into. Yeah. Yeah,

1801
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: having a lot of arrows and a lot of different

1802
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: arrows in your quiver can be it's a good place

1803
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah. Well, uh, at the risk of I

1804
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 1: don't want to keep you until the morning and those

1805
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 1: birds are gobbling off the roost already and you're still

1806
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: here talking to me, So I'm gonna let you go, Josh.

1807
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 1: But for people that want to watch your hunts, who

1808
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 1: want to follow along with what you guys have got

1809
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 1: going on. Where would you tell people to find you

1810
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: and connect online? Yeah, check us out on YouTube at

1811
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 1: the intamed. Uh work on Facebook and Instagram at the Untamed,

1812
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: and uh check us out. I mean we're doing law.

1813
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 1: We're pretty diverse in uh, in the stuff we do.

1814
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's cool stuff. I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed the

1815
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 1: videos and and seeing how you're putting all this into

1816
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 1: action is is uh is really interesting to see. So

1817
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 1: highly recommended, and I appreciate you having me on. I

1818
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 1: was really excited, Mark, and uh, uh, I appreciate it. Hey,

1819
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 1: you're You're welcome, and I appreciate you taking the time.

1820
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 1: So let's stay in touch, Josh, and uh. I hope

1821
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 1: we can circle back and have another one of these

1822
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 1: chats and I can prior open that worm or that

1823
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 1: can of worms about saddle hunting and and all that

1824
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 1: stuff next time. Sounds good, buddy, All right, thanks Josh,

1825
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: all right, and that is a rap. Thanks for tuning in.

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01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,240
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Speaker 1: stay tuned over on this podcast of course, as well

1834
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 1: as Instagram and the Wired Hunt Facebook page for all

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Speaker 1: those things coming down the pipe. And uh, I think

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01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 1: with that we can wrap it up, So thanks for

1837
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 1: tuning in, Thanks for hanging out with me this week. Um,

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01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I know it's just April, but before you know it,

1839
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be summer and then you're gonna blink your eyes.

1840
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 1: The next thing you know, it's gonna be autumn and

1841
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 1: we'll be hunting again. So check off those boxes on

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Speaker 1: the two lists. Keep working, keep shooting that bowl, keep

1843
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 1: on scouting, keep listening to this podcast. Until next time,

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01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: stay Wired to Hunt,