1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the person with me is always is 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Charles W. Tuck Bryant cap grasp Eva. Yeah, I think 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: it's cup Crows because it's a Frenchman who was the 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: first person to describe. Jerry just called it crap crass. 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: We're all kinds of screwed up, and I'm not going 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: to say cop crawl the whole time, so we'll just 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: say cap gradsbnxious. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like we're 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: not in Quebec, that's right, umque right. This is basically 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: our our Invasion of the Body Snatchers episode podcast that 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: unless we do one on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of the deal. Though. We're talking today about 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: a very very strange and once thought to be uncommon 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: and rare disorder um a delusional disorder, a delusional misidentification disorder, 16 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: to be specific, where the sufferer believes that the people 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: in his or her life, people very close to him, 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: have all been replaced by impostors, that they're there, like 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you right now, Chuck, and you look 20 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: just like Chuck, and you're doing a great job with 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: the voice and everything, but like, I don't want to 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: say it, and I don't want to look you in 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: the eye, but like, you're obviously not chucking. What's going on? 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: I think we all feel that about each other occasionally, 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: but imagine like that all the time, Like, how would 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: you just not lose faith in the reality of anything 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: if you thought, first of all, how are people? How 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: are they coming up with great impostors like this? Who 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: is they? Why are they doing this? Why you? Is 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: it just you? Or it's the whole world? Yeah, it's 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: it's like there's a lot of really weighty questions involved 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: with this, and as a result, science has been trying 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: to really figure out the mystery behind it and has 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: failed thus far. Yeah, and you know we we already 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: should say. It's not only difficult on the person, but 36 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: it's difficult on the person being misidentified as well. And 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: you don't really don't hear a lot about that. I 38 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: read a bunch of articles on this and only one said, 39 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: and don't forget if someone if your wife thinks that 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: you're an impostor, it's really tough on you as well. Yeah, 41 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: that just kind of overlooked, Yeah, very much. So. Yeah, 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: so this is actually kind of a newish phenomenon as 43 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: far as description goes. UM Dr Copgraw and Dr Rebu 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: last show UM described Madame m who believed that she 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: had as many as eighty husbands, all of them the same, 46 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: looking the same, but they were all impostors and she 47 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: never could get close to him because Um, eventually they 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: would just kind of leave and be replaced by a 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: new one. And she was really convinced of this. And 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure at the time they thought, what this lady 51 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: is just nuts? But then the more people did research, 52 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: the more they found and I couldn't find any good 53 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: stats on how rare it is undered thousands and that 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: means nothing. So the one I saw it was in 55 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: two thousand or six five. I believe the estimate was 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: between one point three to four point one percent of 57 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: all psychiatric patients have cap Craw And you can probably 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: say that if that's close, then that's probably close to 59 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: the general population. Because if you believe that the people 60 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: who are closest to you in your life are impostors 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: and you're accusing them as such, they're probably gonna force 62 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: you to go seek psychiatric help. So that would probably 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: be a pretty close statistic for the society. For society 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: at large, and where you really see it though, is 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: in Alzheimer's patients. The statistic was between two and thirty 66 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: percent of Alzheimer's patients possibly suffer from cop craw or 67 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: crab grass. But isn't that just all timers. No, not 68 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: necessarily Alzheimers. You know, let's it can be forgetfulness. Um, 69 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: that can be uh, yeah, I guess this orientation. This 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: is the you're accusing your husband, your wife, your son, 71 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: your daughter of being somebody else, somebody posing it is them. Okay, 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: that makes sense. So this is different than something we've 73 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: covered face blindness before, right, we talked about it came 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: up in something else, but yeah, maybe we did do 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: a whole podcast on it. I'm not sure. But that 76 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: is uh, proso pregnosia, and this is not proso pregnocia. 77 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: That's when you you can see your face over and 78 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: over and over and still you just don't know who 79 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: it is. Right in this case, you know, like, hey, 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that's Josh, I'm looking at him. I know that face, 81 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: but um, they they've done studies with skin conduct conductance 82 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: is when they're basically measuring the amount of perspiration on 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: your face, which is a it's a measure of the 84 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: limbics system being active, which is in turn a measure 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: of your emotions going off. Yeah, with the you being 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: that if if you're sweating a little bit on the face, 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: then that is a physiological or psychological queue that like, hey, 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: look at this picture of your mother. I would recognize 89 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: that as my mother, and maybe my face will sweat 90 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: a little bit. Right. If you are what's called a 91 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: normal if you have propagnosia um you will not recognize 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: that picture intellectually consciously, but your skin conductivity will go off. 93 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: So that means that the emotional cue is still triggered 94 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: even though you don't know who you're looking at. That's 95 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: the opposite of studies of um cap cross syndrome. Yeah, 96 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: they'll see a picture and they will not have It's 97 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: basically like they're looking at a picture of a complete stranger, right, 98 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: and and they don't have they they don't have that 99 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: emognized face right exactly, but they don't have an emotional response. 100 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They recognize the face enough to know 101 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: this is my dad. They are rational enough. That's the 102 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: other thing too. Other than this the rational, it's what's 103 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: called a mono thematic syndrome where you have one delusion 104 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: and it's a whopper and it basically consumes your whole life. 105 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: So the irrational otherwise and the rational enough to say, Okay, 106 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: this is my dad I'm looking at but I don't 107 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: feel any kind of emotional stimulation from seeing my dad 108 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: and I should and because I don't, this is an imposter. 109 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: That's what they thing is going on. Yeah. One of 110 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: the common things that the people with the syndrome will 111 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: say is that like their soul is gone or their 112 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: soul is missing. That's a different syndrome. No, no no, No, 113 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: that that's that's linked to cap GRAB because they'll recognize 114 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the other person. Yea, the person they're looking at is 115 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: that's not my mother, that's not there. There would sense 116 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: my mother's soul, right. So what they think then is 117 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: that when we this kind of proves that we make 118 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: memories two ways that are connected. That we we take 119 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: in stimuli, right, like visual stimula. I'm looking at you 120 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: and at the same time I'm looking at Chuck, and 121 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: I like Chuck. So I'm also kind of taking note 122 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: that same memory that I'm forming of the visual representation 123 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: of you also has an attendant um emotion happiness. I 124 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: like you, so when I see you again, I should 125 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: feel that same thing happiness. I'm glad to see Chuck. 126 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: That is a full memory with cop craw people who 127 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: suffer that they're missing the emotional aspect and they have 128 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: the recognition and the vs rama Shan drawn I think 129 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I said his name right. He came up in the 130 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: Mirror Neurons episode. It's just a brilliant genius dude as 131 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: text maybe I think so, um he he said. Probably. 132 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: What's happening then is you have a secondary lesion, secondary 133 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: damage where your your right brain is very analytical and 134 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: it checks your left brain, which wants to explain everything away. 135 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: And if that right brain analysis is damaged, then the 136 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: left brain can do go to whatever links that wants 137 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: to to explain a way strange phenomenon. In this case, 138 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: if you have that disconnect between the um sensory input 139 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: and emotional aspect of a memory in conjunction with a 140 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: loss of the right brain checking your delusions, then the 141 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: left brain is able to go off and say, oh, 142 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: well it must be an impostor. Yeah, well the emotional 143 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: side wins out essentially as an explanation to sort of 144 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: reconcile those two things. Yeah, because it's missing. It's not deluded. 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: The person is not delusional. It's there's an impostor. Yeah. 146 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: You know what's really weird is um. Another one of 147 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the characteristics sometimes is it can extend to animals and 148 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: objects as well, So it's not always just people. They 149 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: can you know, that's my dog, but it's not. I 150 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: know that chair is not the original chair. Someone came 151 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: in here and replaced it an exact replica. Um. And 152 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: they're not hallucinating, you know, these they're a air of 153 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: all this stuff. Yeah, and I mean imagine the paranoia 154 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: that that would generate in you, like, who moved the chair? 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: Who replaced this chair? What's the deal? And um, they 156 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: found that it's it is co morbid with things like 157 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and schizophrenia as well and other psychotic disorders. Yeah, 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: and it's it's usually your spouse to um. One article, 159 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: are it said it's always your spouse is how it starts? 160 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but I don't know if that's quite right. 161 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: That seems a little willing nilly to say every single 162 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: time it starts with your spouse. So let's talk about 163 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: some of the explanations that science has come up with, 164 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: um since it was first described in it was right 165 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: in Freud's wheelhouse. Oh yes, So the psycho analysts had 166 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: their had the first crack at it and they swung 167 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: and missed. Um. They basically said that it was a 168 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: repressed edipits or electric complex, right yeah, and that that 169 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: was kind of pooped pretty quickly. Um. They were saying that, 170 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: you know that you're just trying to resolve guilt about 171 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: your circumstances, um, identifying your parents. It look alike, and 172 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: then pretty quickly scientists and you know that it probably 173 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: doesn't have to do with repressed feelings in this case, 174 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: done done everybody. Kenneth took his ball and went home. 175 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah he Yeah, he's really been kicked to the has 176 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: he Yeah, even by psychology. They've turned their backs on him. 177 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh psychodynamic approach. Sorry, Um, that was the 178 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: psychodynamic approach, and that that's like we said, it's kind 179 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: of been pooh pooed. Well, that was the psychodynamic approach, 180 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: was the one where it's repressed feelings. Freudian approach was 181 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: that you wanted to have sex with your mom, so 182 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: you so you resolved that the guilt from that by saying, 183 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: my mom, you're not my mom, you're an imposter. So 184 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: but I want to have sex with you, and that's okay. 185 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean the Glenn Miller version of the mood I 186 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: feel really guilty. Um. Again, again we should say that 187 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: one was thrown out. A lot of researchers think that 188 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: it's a result of an actual organic cause, something physically 189 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: wrong with the brain, which makes sense to me. UM. 190 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: They look for lesions, UM, cerebral dysfunction, signs of atrophy, 191 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: and like you mentioned, it is also co morbid a 192 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,359 Speaker 1: lot of time with psychotic disorders UM, epilepsy, even Alzheimer's, 193 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: and you mentioned schizophrenia, which makes sense. I think bipolar 194 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: is on there as well. Yeah, so other doctors say, 195 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: you know what, it might be a combination of these things, 196 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: like physical and cognitive causes, Like you have some sort 197 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: of organic damage, but then you're you're mentally you're rationalizing 198 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: it inappropriately, like you can't accept that you're delusional because 199 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: of any sort of brain damage. You're projecting it's everyone 200 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: else is an impostor. But that would be a combination 201 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: of mental and physical. And again it's your brain trying 202 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: to explain something that doesn't quite add up in your head. Yeah, 203 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: So what's clear is there's a breakdown and communication. There 204 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: is UM somewhere in the brain. It's they Rama Shandron, 205 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: Um and his partner. I don't want to just call 206 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: out the star, but Hrstein and Rama Shandron did a 207 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: paper in nineties seven that was pretty interesting. They consider 208 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: it a problem of memory management, wherein, like you or I, 209 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: if if our brain is to be um, if it's 210 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: a computer, look it as a computer, right, UM, when 211 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: we see somebody or meet somebody, we create a file 212 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: on that person, and then when we encounter that person again, 213 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: we access the same file and then add to it. 214 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: But it's the same file. What Rama Shandron and her 215 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: Stein we're proposing was that, uh, people who have cop 216 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: craw make a new file every time for the same person. 217 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: But there's also there has to be some sort of 218 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: link between these files. I don't think that's necessarily an 219 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: app description. I think there are more onto it with 220 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: it's just missing. It's the same file it's just missing 221 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: something that the patient senses is missing, the void there 222 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: and they're saying, well, I'm missing something because you're an 223 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: imposter and I don't really know you, like some sort 224 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: of emotional identification marker. UM. This is really interesting to me. 225 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: They have studies that showed that UM blind people. It 226 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: can actually extend to their voice of the person. But 227 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: other times they've shown that they recognized them on the 228 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: phone but not in person. Yeah, that was a dude 229 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: named DS. That Rama Shan Dron. It can be both. 230 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: He could his was UM. The only modality is what 231 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: they call it. For his UM. His delusion was visual. 232 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: So like when he saw his parents, his dad was 233 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: not his dad, and actually his dad was pretty cool. 234 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: His dad one day UM the DS was a thirty 235 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: year old Brazilian guy who got into a car accident 236 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: and started suffering cap gross syndrome and UM. His parents 237 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: started to get really worried didn't know what to do. 238 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: So his dad one day came in and declared that 239 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: the man who had been replacing him as an impostor, 240 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: he had sent him away to China and he would 241 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: never return. And I'm your father and I'm back and 242 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: it worked for a couple of weeks, and then it 243 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: just went back the The guy became convinced that no, 244 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: the impostors back. He had cap Cross syndrome so bad 245 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: that he came to believe that he himself was an impostor, 246 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: and he asked his mother, when the real DS returns, 247 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: what you still love me and treat me as your friend? 248 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: Can I still stay around? And she said, I don't 249 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: know who you are. So this guy thought, um, everything 250 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: including himself, was an impostor. I thought there were two 251 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: Panamas that he'd been to recently, thought there were two 252 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: United States, there were doubles for everything, and um. When 253 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: he talked to his parents on the phone, though that 254 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: he didn't suffer that delusion. It was strict dad, where like, 255 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: there's this other guy here pretending to be you. Oh, 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: I I don't know. He would like he didn't hide 257 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: it from what I understand. Interesting, which is something that's 258 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: probably healthy if you have cap Grafs syndrome, because there 259 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: is UM. There have been instances of violence with cap 260 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: Cress syndrome. Yeah. This one guy thought a robot had 261 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: replaced his father, so he decapitated his father to look 262 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: for the robot. Inside. UM. A woman in a mental 263 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: institution killed another patient because she thought that she was 264 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: going to kill her double, her daughter's double. So she 265 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: was actually protecting the impostor from somebody who she didn't 266 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: necessarily think was an impostor. It's very interesting. So as 267 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: far as treating this, there's you know, since it's pretty rare, 268 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of you know, prescribed regular treatments. UM. 269 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes it goes away, it doesn't. Yeah. Sometimes if it's 270 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: like a physical brain trauma, uh, you can re establish 271 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: that connection and and things start firing correctly again, and 272 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: it just kind of disappears. I wonder when you come 273 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: out of it, Chuck, like, do you feel like, wow, 274 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: that was really crazy what I used to think? Or 275 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: do you feel like all the impostors have left in 276 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: all of my families back now? Oh? I don't know. 277 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: That's weird. Another thing that they say, if it's linked 278 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: to a mental disorder, sometimes it can be helped by 279 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: medication that would also help that mental disorder. UM, but 280 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: they're really for most people there is no treatment, uh, 281 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: and there is no cure. I think it's just probably 282 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: a long series of of sessions on the couch. You 283 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But I mean, how do you 284 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: forge trust that's it, you know, in somebody when you 285 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: which is required to say, Okay, it's me, everyone's not impostors. 286 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: I have a false belief when ultimately, if the closer 287 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: you get to, say, like your therapist, the more likely 288 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: you are to come to believe that they are going 289 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: to be replaced by an impostor. This is a sad condition. 290 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some mother Stag conditions too that 291 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: are similar. I mean, it's a it's a delusional misidentification syndrome. 292 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: It also falls under the umbrella of reduplicative para amnesia 293 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: in a while, Uh yeah, it's a mouthful. So another 294 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: similar one is the Fregoli system and it was named 295 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: after Leopoldo Fregoli. He was a quick change artist and 296 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: that leads you to believe that people around you are 297 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: people in disguise, so not replacements. But hey, I know 298 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: that you should be my dentist, but you're really my 299 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: sister in disguise as my dentist. Yeah. It's like over recognition, 300 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: like everyone in your life that you see and interact 301 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: with on a daily basis, like your your dentist or 302 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: somebody on the subway or whatever is actually somebody very 303 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: close to you dressed up in disguise. Coutard syndrome. That 304 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: is a belief that you are missing body parts or 305 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: you are emotionally dead. And sometimes they think like my 306 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: heart doesn't beat, or I don't have bones, or I 307 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: don't exist any longer. And it's not I mean, these 308 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: are people that really feel this way. It's pretty much 309 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: like the psychological manifestation of an existential crisis. Yeah, like 310 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: do you think your brain is rotting inside of you 311 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: and like you're dead? I mean, you don't feel anything. 312 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: What about inter metamorphosis? This one's odd. It's kind of like, um, 313 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of like cop graft syndrome, but it's it's 314 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: more complete like the and it's not imposters. It's people 315 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: close to you switching. Just your brothers now your father 316 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: psychologically and physically, the whole ball of ax. Like apparently 317 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: you see them, like when you're interacting with your father, 318 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: you see and think you're interacting with your brother if 319 00:18:53,280 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: they've switched. Yes, Wow. Indeed. The thing about this though, 320 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: and you kind of get this from the Ramashan Drum 321 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: paper which I strongly recommend reading. It's it's only like 322 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: nine pages. It's pretty interesting stuff is Every once in 323 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: a while he comes he pulls back and he's like, 324 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: can you f and believe the brain? Yeah? It is 325 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: incredible what what it can do? And when it malfunctions? Man, 326 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: can it ever a malfunction? But he's pointing out that, like, 327 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: through these really really rare cases, um, you can start 328 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to get a glimpse in how we form memories and 329 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: how we retrieve memories, and to better understand human consciousness 330 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: through you know, these these very unique, unusual patients. Yeah. 331 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: I'd like to think at the end of our run, 332 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: you know, in fifty years, we're gonna have a nice 333 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: body of work on the brain for people to pick 334 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: and choose and you know, from like alien hand to 335 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: cap craw to how memories are formed and how you 336 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: taste and the brain. Yeah, it's just pretty amazing stuff. 337 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: I know you take it, taste delicious, it's it's our 338 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: I think it's probably our favorite topic. Did you just 339 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: say fifty years? Yeah? Man, hey, I going for you. 340 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: Have you seen the impostor Ah? Yeah, I think I 341 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: talked about it before too. It's good documentary. Good documentary. 342 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: Go check that one out. Yeah. Uh, And you got 343 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: anything else on cap graw No, sir, okay, cap craw 344 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: crab grass cap grass, COUDI gras butter all those things. 345 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: Type them into the search bar how stuff works dot 346 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: com and it may or may not bring up this article. 347 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: At least a couple of them will. Uh. And since 348 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: I said, um, search bar, let's have a let's take 349 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: a message break and now listener, Yes, buddy, I'm gonna 350 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: call this one. Email from a former Mormon, former Mormon 351 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: foreman before Norman. Uh. Hey, guys and Jarious listening to 352 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: the podcast on marriage. Want to give you some information 353 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: on Mormon marriage. Though the Church of Jesus Christ of 354 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Latter day Saints no longer practices nor supports the secular 355 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: act of mirroring multiple spouses, men can still be sealed 356 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: to multiple women. And I'll try and explain sealing to you, 357 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: But even though I was raised a member of the church, 358 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: the details are a little bit fuzzy because he's been 359 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: out for a little while. Uh. Those ceiling is related 360 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: to marriage and takes place at the same time. It 361 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: is a separate ordinance where marriage insures that a couple 362 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: receives all the legal benefits promised by the government. Sealing 363 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: insures all of the religious benefits promised by the Lord. 364 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: That was a good preacher, Thank you. The two main 365 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: benefits that I can remember are one, the sealed persons 366 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: will be together for all time and eternity. And to 367 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: the sealed persons will enter into the highest level of 368 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: heaven of the three, it's just three levels. I found 369 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: out a man can be sealed the multiple women when 370 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: my parents went through their divorce. Even though they went 371 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: through the legal process of divorce, they never had their 372 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: sealing nullified. When my dad remarried, he was sealed to 373 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: my stepmother and to my biological mother at the same time. 374 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: Later on, when my mom remarried, she had to nullify 375 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: her sealing to my father because women are not allowed 376 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: to be sealed to multiple men, only men to multiple women. Furthermore, 377 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: my new stepfather was sealed to his late wife when 378 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: he married my mother and he still is to this day. Yeah, 379 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: my intentions aren't to bash the church in any way. Um, 380 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: but that fact that the fact that men can be 381 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: sealed to multiple women is a little known fact that 382 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: most people inside and outside the Church. Uh, the church's 383 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: practice of polygamy doesn't bother me anymore. Educated consenting adults 384 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: should be allowed to be with the ones they love 385 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and that's his opinion. I am bothered 386 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: by the fact that they don't inform people of their 387 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: policy on being sealed to multiple spouses. That's all I've got. 388 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Guys on Mormons in marriage. No longer remember the church, 389 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: but I still find the religion and culture very fascinating. 390 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: A podcast on how the Church of Jesus Christ at 391 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: Saturday Scenes works would be amazing. And that is from 392 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Ethan even Clark. Yeah, long lost brother, and we've been 393 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: asked by many uh Mormons and members of that church 394 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: to do one on their religion. So we've got a 395 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: whole we have a whole queue of ones that we 396 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: have to do. That's kind of piling up. It's like 397 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: before we hit the fifty year mark. Let's just like 398 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: one after any other, the never ending cycle. 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