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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, everybody,

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Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre here on Straight Fire. Thursday October.

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Speaker 1: We got a crappy Thursday night football game, but it

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Speaker 1: could be good. Could be good. We had a kind

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Speaker 1: of a boring Wednesday night in the World Series. Raise

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Speaker 1: jump out to a five oh lead and hang on

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Speaker 1: to win six four. Dodgers were plucky there late. Um,

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Speaker 1: but that starter really struggle. They got touched up early

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Speaker 1: and um, it's tied one one. But there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot you can say about baseball. It's not like the

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Speaker 1: NBA where you can really dive deep and everybody knows

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Speaker 1: the superstars. Um, so that that'll be it for baseball.

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Speaker 1: They had the night off tonight and they resume Game

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Speaker 1: three on Friday. Um, we got a fun show ahead

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Speaker 1: of got an awesome interview with a guy I knew

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Speaker 1: back in Pennsylvania when I lived there before moving out

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Speaker 1: to l A. He's at the Ringer. He's causing trouble

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Speaker 1: at the Ringer, but he's a good dude, John Gonzalez.

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Speaker 1: You may or may not know his work. His wife

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Speaker 1: works at NFL Networks, so they're a sports media family

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Speaker 1: and uh, he's just a nice guy, super sharp and um,

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Speaker 1: we get into a lot of stuff. So enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: I thought about it. And next week we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing the giveaway for comments. Um. Last month we did

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Speaker 1: the three best comments picked out by Rob G. I

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Speaker 1: think this time I might have my wife, Yes, my

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Speaker 1: wife pick out the best comments on iTunes. You gotta

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Speaker 1: leave a witty, funny review. UM. If my wife is

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Speaker 1: not up for it, no, I have not discussed this

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Speaker 1: of course. Um, but it will be for the best

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Speaker 1: five star review and comment for the top three comments.

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Speaker 1: We'll you that next week. Get get get ready, get

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Speaker 1: the mindset right for next week. I'm gonna dig into

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Speaker 1: Thursday night football shortly. But I just want to put

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Speaker 1: this out there. UM. I do it a lot on

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Speaker 1: my Saturday show. I talk about the family and hashtag

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Speaker 1: dad life. And I know you guys are waiting more.

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Speaker 1: The best bet, Jason, come on, give me the best bet.

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Speaker 1: I need to fire on the Eagles Giants will do that.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to put this out there briefly.

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Speaker 1: So I got a second grader and a fourth grader

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Speaker 1: hashtag dad life, and I don't know how to show him.

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Speaker 1: The fourth grader, that is some some of these movies

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Speaker 1: that I like. Some scenes I liked from movies. We recently,

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic, watched ace Ventura. It's had some couple

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Speaker 1: of adult theme scenes. Nothing significant, but I showed it

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Speaker 1: to him and they loved it, the second grader and

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Speaker 1: the fourth grader. And recently the movie boiler Room was

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Speaker 1: love the movie boiler I think it's a great movie.

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Speaker 1: It's got some gambling involved, um, some Wall Street action,

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Speaker 1: making money, you know, all that fun stuff. And you

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Speaker 1: guys know the scene him talking about Ben Affleck sits

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Speaker 1: son's eyes light up because he's like into that Hey dad,

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Speaker 1: I need money to buy roebucks? Um, hey dad, what

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Speaker 1: doing chores like he's in that money phase. And obviously

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Speaker 1: money is not everything. I know that. Don't yell it

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Speaker 1: into the phone or wherever you're listening to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: But he's in that faith. A lot of his kids,

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Speaker 1: And everybody's lying, of course, but that's a thing among

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Speaker 1: fourth graders. And I showed him the scene from Boiler Room,

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Speaker 1: and of course, unfortunately there's like, you know, twenty three

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Speaker 1: f bombs in the scene. But listen, guys, I know

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Speaker 1: onward to um. Actually, let me get to some newsual quick.

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Speaker 1: And I totally missed this the other day in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: TA was named the starter for the Dolphins next game,

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Speaker 1: not this weekend, in two weeks, and Ryan Fitzpatrick's going

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, have never liked them. Dan Marino's fake spike

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Speaker 1: I was crestfallen. The Jets were playoff bound that year

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Speaker 1: seen to have thrown two passes. I believe the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: maybe the Dolphins steal the AFC East. But Fitzpatrick hasn't

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Speaker 1: been horrible. Fitzpatrick's a veteran. The offensive line is it's okay,

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick's contract. He's gonna hit all these escalators and make

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, Rams, guess what in two weeks, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: and stan Van Gundy is a guy I don't really

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Speaker 1: and don't tell me they're superstars yet. They look like superstars,

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Speaker 1: get to where I was going and when I got there,

425
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, it's cold here. It's November.

426
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Like I got off the plane last year when after

427
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: they treated for Jimmy Butler and it was literally snowing,

428
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: and I was in shorts and running shoes, and I

429
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I've forgotten how things operate. Yeah,

430
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: out here, it's it's pretty nice today. It's what like

431
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees. I mean it's gorgeous every day. Pretty

432
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: pretty nice. All right, let's actually get to sports. Your Eagles,

433
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Speaker 1: can I call them your Eagles that you're pretty much

434
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Speaker 1: my go to guy for Eagles everything. I'll take it.

435
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: I'll take ownership of this awful, awful team. Sure, well

436
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Speaker 1: are they that bad? As the question? Because you know,

437
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: and why are they that bad? Okay, put the record aside.

438
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: The injuries have been massive. I don't know how anybody

439
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: can possibly think this team is going anywhere with the injuries.

440
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: But I don't know, John, For whatever reason, I feel

441
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: like they're still gonna win a division In theory, someone

442
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: has to. Uh, I haven't done the math on that.

443
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: I expect that someone at all. I think you're right there,

444
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: like when you say, like, how bad are they really?

445
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: Because of the injuries. That's fair. They've been decimated by injuries,

446
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: but so of the Cowboys, right, um uh, you know

447
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: the other two teams. I don't. I'm not sure what

448
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: the Giants and the and the rest of the level

449
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: of injuries. It's possible that the right that they just think,

450
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: but I think that they've had some injuries as well.

451
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: But the division is is not acquitted itself. Well, I mean,

452
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: it sucked to see what happened with that because he

453
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Speaker 1: was playing so long. And I thought, despite the fact

454
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Speaker 1: that I'm like, by constitution and by birthplace, supposed to

455
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Speaker 1: hate the Cowboys, they like offensively they look really good.

456
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: Defensively they didn't, but um it does You're right, I think,

457
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: like you look at this division and you go, well, uh,

458
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: somebody has to win. The Eagles are getting Lean Johnson

459
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: and the Shawn Jackson back for Thursday night football. Maybe

460
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: it'll end up being the Eagles, but it won't be

461
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: because they cover themselves in glory. This is not a

462
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: good team. Well, I gotta ask why is it not

463
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Speaker 1: a good team? I mean, they win the Super Bowl

464
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Speaker 1: and I know that the coaching staff has been pillaged

465
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Speaker 1: a bit. Uh niit. Foles has gone. The front office

466
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: has even been rated, if you will. But does this

467
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Speaker 1: mean that Peterson is not a great coach or how

468
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: do you go from super Bowl to just like in

469
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years. You know, that's a good question. Um.

470
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Speaker 1: I think that that's the question that not only Eagles fans,

471
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Speaker 1: but the Eagles themselves are wrestling with right now, because

472
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Speaker 1: I think that there were high hopes for you know,

473
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Speaker 1: half of the division. I don't think anybody thought the

474
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Speaker 1: Giants and the and the Washington football team We're gonna

475
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Speaker 1: be any good. But I do think that there were

476
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Speaker 1: hopes for hey, Dac wants to quit himself and go

477
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: out and win a giant new contract and uh, and

478
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 1: then what the Eagles like. You've got a healthy Carson

479
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Speaker 1: won zack Er It's is a really good player. You've

480
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: got Miles Sanders in his second year, and like you know,

481
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: they always are casting about looking for wide receivers. But

482
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: there was this expectation that they would be better, uh

483
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Speaker 1: this season than maybe they were last year, and that

484
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Speaker 1: has not come to fruition. And I think, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: part of it is the injuries. But you know, then

486
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Speaker 1: you look at zach Ertz, He's been like m I

487
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Speaker 1: a before the injury. Um, you've got a guy like

488
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Speaker 1: Miles Sanders who they just frankly have not gotten a

489
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Speaker 1: ball to enough. The offensive sort of looks in disarray. Uh,

490
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Speaker 1: it's hard to judge Carson Wentz like considering the state

491
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Speaker 1: of of the injuries. So just to answer your question

492
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Speaker 1: in along wooded Way, nothing's gone right. Yeah, I do

493
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Speaker 1: wonder about Carson Wentz. Right, this is a guy who

494
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Speaker 1: you know, last week killed me. I had the Ravens,

495
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Speaker 1: you know, favored by a bunch and went with only

496
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Speaker 1: his starting center, was able to somehow come back in

497
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter against the Ravens, killed me financially. Um,

498
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Speaker 1: but I just wonder about Wentz, like is he did

499
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Speaker 1: in Philly? Because I mean he Nick Foles won the

500
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Went still does that have a playoff victory?

501
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Speaker 1: Which is crazy as it sounds. He's paid like a

502
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. I don't know. And I gotta also say,

503
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: you know his off field deeply religious? Is it? Is

504
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: it the hunting or the deeply religious? I forget which

505
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: one it is. But for whatever reason, Eagles fans seemed

506
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: divided on him more so than you would think for

507
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Speaker 1: a quarterback on a Super Bowl contender of a year divided.

508
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: Uh is correct when you say is he loved in Philly?

509
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: Is anybody loved in Philly? Here's the like, here's how

510
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: it works, honestly, like so so a couple of years

511
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: ago before this, the Super Bowl year when when Wentz

512
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Speaker 1: looked like he was potentially an m VP candidate before

513
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Speaker 1: he got hurt. Here in l a against the Rams

514
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: and Nick Foles went on that up but Ron and

515
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: they ended up winning, and like nobody thought that they would,

516
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: Wentz was killing it and everybody loved him, and everybody

517
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: was convinced that he was going to be an absolute superstar.

518
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Speaker 1: But there are analogs that we've seen with previous Eagles teams,

519
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: similarly Donovan McNabb, and early on in Donovan McNabb's career,

520
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: he looked like a guy that they drafted high, that

521
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: was gonna be incredible, that had a huge ceiling. Right. Well,

522
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: eventually that's hours if you don't as you mentioned, Wentz

523
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: hasn't won a playoff game with mcnavitt, was couldn't win

524
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: the Big One, couldn't even get to the Big One

525
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: until that final one that they lost and forever. And

526
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that this is necessarily unique to Eagles

527
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: fans or Philadelphia, but I do think that we've perfected it.

528
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: The most popular guy in Philadelphia is always the backup quarterback,

529
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Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe Jalen Hurts comes in at some

530
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Speaker 1: point and then Wentz gets some of his shine back.

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Speaker 1: But uh, it's a tough spot to be in when

532
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: you're the starting quarterback of the Eagles and you're not

533
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: playing well. Now for you, at the ring of it,

534
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: seems like most of your content is centered around basketball.

535
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: Do you do NFL stuff? How does that even work? Yeah? So,

536
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: my my job actually has changed over the last year. Previously,

537
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: when I first came in, it was NBA only, and

538
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: I had never really been sports specific before. When I

539
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: was in Philly, when You and I did my TV show,

540
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: it was all four sports. When I was a columnists,

541
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: all four sports. Um, but I've NBA is the one

542
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: I like the best. It's the one that I'm best

543
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: sourced in. But ultimately, what I like doing the most

544
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: in media is writing at length and really digging into

545
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Speaker 1: a topic. So over the last year I've sort of

546
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: transitioned to a general assignment feature writer columnists where I

547
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: can write about pretty much anything. In fact, I'm writing

548
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: about the Eagles. I I stopped writing about the Eagles

549
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: to talk to you and see your smiling face and

550
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: for your listeners who can't see you're rocking an incredible

551
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: tank top with your guns out. Stop. Um, let me

552
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: ask you. You say you say your job has kind

553
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: of pivoted, So I gotta ask you. You're a media connoisseur.

554
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: You know the ins and outs, you know where the

555
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: industry is. Like, does that job really exist anywhere anymore?

556
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: The general assignment take out features guy, Um, not generally No.

557
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like, in fact, you know it's increasingly short supply,

558
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: even within the last year, right, Like You've got people

559
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: who at ESPN got laid off, a ton of people

560
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: at sp Nation that got laid off. Bleacher Report Magazine,

561
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: which was a place that did things kind of like

562
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: what I do right now, uh, gutted their whole their

563
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: whole department. Sports Illustrated, a place that I wanted to

564
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: write for my entire life. Right that has been I

565
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: used to collect them. I used as well. They were

566
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Speaker 1: It was an unbelievable publication where they had a whole

567
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: host of people who did things like that all gone right.

568
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, no, it's uh. It's one

569
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: of the great things about working at the Ringer that

570
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: were afforded the opportunity to write pieces that take time

571
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Speaker 1: not just to write, but to report, uh, and that

572
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, aren't a thousand words of here's what's happening

573
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: in the game that you may or may not care about,

574
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: like and dig and dig deeper, and that is very

575
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: much too uh to our credit because unfortunately it's harder

576
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: to find now. Yeah, do you think it's fair that

577
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: they're going that that's kind of going away because now

578
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: we just see what people click on and we know, oh, hey,

579
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: people love NBA rumors, people love aggregated uh NFL stuff,

580
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: people love lists. But then, John, where do we go

581
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: with that? Like, I mean, if we're just doing that,

582
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: it's like just eating pizza for dinner every day. Right,

583
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: You're not eating any vegetables, You're not getting healthy, You're

584
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: just eating junk. And I don't know, part of me

585
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: gets depressed about the state of sports media. Uh here

586
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: in what I don't know, what does that mean for

587
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: where we gonna be in five years? You know? And

588
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: and that's that's fair, but it's also something that I've

589
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: heard echoed over, you know, my entire lifetime. I mean,

590
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: and I'm maybe I'm the wrong person to ask about this,

591
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: because I'm somebody who really enjoys reading. I think that

592
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the ultimately, they'll always be a place for it. It

593
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: just might be harder to find. Like it used to

594
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: be that you'd have a zillion magazine writers that you

595
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: could go and read. Uh, maybe not sports specific, but

596
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: just magazines in general. And now all of that across

597
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: the industry is harder to find. But I think there's

598
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be place for it because there's always

599
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: going to be people who want to read a more

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00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: nuanced and yeah, I don't know, John, I mean, Sports Illustrated,

601
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: as you said, is basically a shell of itself. ESPN

602
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: the magazine is toast. Um. You know. I subscribe to

603
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: The New Yorker and it used to be The New

604
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Yorker and Esquire. Uh, and then I realized Esquire just stinks.

605
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: The New Yorker is great, but I just don't know

606
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Speaker 1: how sustainable it is. Like, I mean, I like reading.

607
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I love reading, but just the reality

608
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: is you were in the minority, I think, you know,

609
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, no, no, there's no doubt. But but you

610
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: could probably say that about the media in general and

611
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: the sports media in specific, like how sustainable is the

612
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: model has been a problem for the last two decades.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like when I first I'll give you an example, like, um,

614
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: when I was in Boston, I got hired as the

615
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Speaker 1: third columnist of the Philadelphia Inquired lifelong during Bob Ford

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Speaker 1: and phil Phil Sheridan, right right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

617
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: and Ben Bill Leon was still writing like he was

618
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: sort of like a columnist emeritus and was still like

619
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: around right. So people from Philadelphia that know those guys,

620
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: they're sort of legendary. But me, growing up, I thought, Okay,

621
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be a writer. I've always liked sports.

622
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: If I could get a job as a columnist at

623
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Inquire, I will do that for the rest

624
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: of my life. Because that's what happened. Those guys took

625
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: those jobs and ran with him for thirty forty years, right,

626
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: I got it. I was there for three and a

627
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: half years, and I bounced the next thing. And they've

628
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: been laying people off, you know, in cycles, for as

629
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: long as from before I worked there through today, So

630
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Speaker 1: I think, like, how sustainable as the media model? Man, Like,

631
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Speaker 1: I hope you figure it out because we're all in

632
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: that boat. So isn't that the same as like, I

633
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: don't know what your parents did. My dad worked at

634
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the government for about twenty five years, right, the same

635
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: job every day. Then he retires, he gets a pension.

636
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: And I think of my friends dad's and they had

637
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: the same job for thirty years. Our generation job. I

638
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: don't know anybody who's had a job longer than like,

639
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, three or four or five, maybe ten years,

640
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: and then you're onto the next one, or you're getting

641
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: sidework so you can supplement the income and try to

642
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: be a big baller like yourself and your wife. Yeah

643
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: my wife half of that is right, Yeah it Well

644
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: see at NFL network if you guys don't know, but

645
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, is it boredom? What? Why

646
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: are why are you bouncing around if that's the job

647
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: you wanted forever? Um, No, I don't think it's boredom.

648
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that that's the industry. I mean what you

649
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: said about the attrition rate is right. I mean it's

650
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: difficult now to first it's difficult now to get the job,

651
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: and then it's even more difficult to hold the job

652
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: because there's so much turnover, there's constant layoffs, and there's

653
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: calling of the workforce. I mean you have a place

654
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: take NBC Sports filling another place that I worked where

655
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: Comcast is this giant company, right and they have a

656
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: zillion dollars. Well, what happened during the pandemic? The number

657
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: one thing. The first thing that they did was look

658
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 1: to call their workforce and they got rid of all

659
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: sideline reporters for basketball and hockey across all of the

660
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: regional sports networks. They gutted every regional sports network that

661
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: they own, and they own a whole most of them.

662
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: And it's not because Comcast doesn't have money. It's because

663
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: they saw a chance, an opportunity to you know, make

664
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: the bottom line look better and they took it. And

665
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: that's the way this industry has been going forever. So um, Look,

666
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: it's not an easy industry. You know, Like this is

667
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: a business that you get into it, and you know,

668
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: if you get into it, don't get into it thinking

669
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: like I'm going to get rich and famous, because almost

670
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: nobody does. You get into it because you like it,

671
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: and it beats having a real job, and you hope

672
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: you have it tomorrow. Yeah, you know when I tell

673
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: the wife and kids it's Sunday, Um, kindly leave me

674
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: alone starting at ten o'clock in the morning, and I'm

675
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna watch football and rant like a lunatic because I

676
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: have to for my jobs. They're cool with it, they

677
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, you know you understand your wife.

678
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: What is she still traveling for the Thursday night footballer? No?

679
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, normal and normal years, she'd be on three

680
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: flights a week to various parts of the country. Obviously,

681
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: is very much not a normal year. So because of

682
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: COVID protocols, they've got her in studio and call over

683
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: this year. But the expectation and hope is that eventually,

684
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, that changes as the pandemic hopefully gets under control.

685
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: Eventually there's a vaccine. But this season it's going to

686
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: be in studios. So do you think you'll be traveling

687
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: at all for the Ring or anytime soon or probably

688
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: not a good question. I mean, like previously my job

689
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: was I didn't travel quite as much as Colleen, but

690
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: I traveled a ton. I probably traveled more than most

691
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: media people. That I know, once every two weeks or

692
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: something something like that. Yeah, I mean really regularly, I

693
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: mean multiple times a month. Uh. In fact, the last

694
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: time I was on a plane was I was in

695
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: l A for the Lakers Sixers game where Lebron passed

696
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Kobe And the next day I was on a plane

697
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: back to l A from Philly and while we were

698
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: in the air, Kobe died and a bunch of the

699
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Lakers writers who were on the plane with me, one

700
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: of them, Dan Wilkie from the l A Times, comes

701
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: back and he's like, did you hear about Kobe? And

702
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: we're in the air and we're all talking about it

703
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: and nobody could believe it. And then the pandemic hit

704
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: and I haven't been on a plane sets. Oh my goodness.

705
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: All let's get to the NBA. I know you're a big,

706
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: big NBA fan. John thoughts on. Let's start with Doc Rivers.

707
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a good hire or not? Really?

708
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Are you asking media, John, or are you asking Philadelphia?

709
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: And John, Let's start with Philadelphia and then go media. Okay,

710
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: actually the answer is the same. I like both both

711
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: of them, but for different reasons. UM. N B A wise,

712
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: I think Doc's are really good coaching. He's had sustained success.

713
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: That look which stars John. It's it's difficult. It's difficult

714
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: to win a championship in the NBA. I would posit

715
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: to you like somebody like it's I understand why you

716
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: and some people are results based and go it only

717
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: counts if you want a champion. The process matters. Come on, Well,

718
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: a guy like Daryl Morey, right, Daryl Morey never got

719
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: to the NBA finals. He never he never won a championship.

720
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: I think he's one off, if not the most successful

721
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: general manager of the last like fourteen years, and it

722
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: just never worked out for him. Uh, Doc one a championship,

723
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: He didn't get to any with the Clippers. That sucks.

724
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't work out sometimes. But I think, like if

725
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: you were gonna in the NBA, and I wrote about

726
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: this over the last couple of years, I think there's

727
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: a handful of coaches who are really good and a

728
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: handful of coaches who are like, not very good at all,

729
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: and then in the middle of you just have a

730
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: bunch of guys who are interchangeable. I think Doc is

731
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: much closer to the good end of the camp than

732
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: he is even to the end the interchangeing. Okay, so

733
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: the pushback would be, yes, he's won a championship. Great,

734
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: how many times has he not met expectations given the roster,

735
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: whether it's Chris Paul and Blake Griffin or three one

736
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: leads in the playoffs, that he's gagged away? Like, I mean,

737
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: on some level that stuff matters, doesn't it. Yeah, on

738
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: some level. Although you said with stars, and I would

739
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I would say to you, good news. He's got embed

740
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: in Simmons from Super might They might not be superstars,

741
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: and they might not even fit together, but they are stars.

742
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: There's stars of some some level. Uh, some who knows.

743
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: Maybe they just look You and I have talked about

744
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: We talked about it on your radio show. I'm a

745
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: massive brown guy. I think he's just a good dude

746
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: who is good for unit cohesion. And he's also to me, uh,

747
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: somewhere in the interchangeable. It's a better end of the spectrum. Um.

748
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: But sometimes you gotta switch it up, right. So if

749
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: you're going to switch it up, uh, and it's you know,

750
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: there's a finite number of people you could bring in.

751
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't know who would you rather have had other

752
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: than other than him. Well, no, I would have gone

753
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: completely outside the box and out of this fear. Probably

754
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: somebody that we're not even thinking of. Because John, if

755
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: you're in that sixer's locker room and you look at

756
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers, you're not looking at Doc Rivers, the guy

757
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: who won a championship in Boston, Oh my gosh, she's amazing.

758
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: You'd be like, Yeah, this is is the dude who just

759
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: gagged away a three one lead up nineteen and the

760
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: third quarter, and it's like, you couldn't you couldn't find

761
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: a leader in the huddle with this loaded Clippers. Who

762
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: the leader in the huddle of those sixers? Tell me?

763
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Tell me let's start there. Well, I'm gonna answer your

764
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: question with the question. Remind me how Doc played in

765
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: the three one when they were up three one, and

766
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: he's the coach every game in the seven. Okay, Paul

767
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: George was not Paul George in that series. And you

768
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: know that he wasn't Paul George in the playoffs. There's

769
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on. And also on top

770
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: of that, like you don't have the same home court

771
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: advantage that you like when we have the playoffs in

772
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: the NBA. Under every other year before this one, the

773
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: higher seed almost always advances. Right, the NBA is like

774
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: such a clock to it. The better team almost always advances.

775
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: That advantage was taken away from them, and we were

776
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: thrown into a bubble situation where the heat who were

777
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: the five seed, advanced out of the Eastern Conference. That

778
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: never happened. So I think here's any number of variables

779
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: here that's very hard to lay at docs feed. Okay,

780
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: so fair enough, I'll let you defend doctors. He shows up,

781
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: This is the Philadelphia coach. Now what do you expect?

782
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Tell me, this is a guy who's been unable to

783
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: pivot and you know, make moves and change is an

784
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: adapt on the fly, leading a gat at halftime. He

785
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: gains five, six and seven against Denver, but it was

786
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: just the bubble um led three one when he was

787
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: against the Rockets, I believe with the Clippers and he

788
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: shows up. What's he gonna say to change things up

789
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: this and beat Simmons mess that they have on their hands.

790
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's why he's gonna get paid

791
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: a lot more money than me this year. But I

792
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: am glad that there's going to be like like again.

793
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: I like Brett a lot, and I think he did

794
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: everything he could with that team, but something does need

795
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: to change, at least philosophically with how they're deployed. I

796
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: don't know what the answer is beyond eventually, and this

797
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: isn't really a doc situation, although supposedly he's going to

798
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: be working with Alton Brandon that that sort of reconfigured

799
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: front office. But eventually, I think the answer might be

800
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: to split up and Beat and Simmons because it's difficult

801
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: to have. We've seen it. We saw it last year

802
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: when things were going well, where where if Kauai if

803
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: not for that like Yankish historic four bounce shot that

804
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: maybe the Sixers advanced to the finals and then who knows.

805
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: But even in that series, you had Ben Simmons with

806
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands, deployed in the dunkers

807
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: spot along the baseline, sort of marginalized only really um

808
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: being used as like a super defensive stopper, which is great,

809
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: he's awesome at it, but you need some offense out

810
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: at him. And then if they've got the ball in

811
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler's hands, which was the right call, it was

812
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: done out of necessity. But now what do you do

813
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: moving forward. If Ben Simmons doesn't get a jump shot,

814
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of stuff hangs on. Uh

815
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: does Ben Simmons finally improve and add another facet to

816
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: his game? Because if not, you have that same for

817
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: spacing clogging issue that's played them for the last couple

818
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: of years. Almost sounds like you're trying to talk me

819
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: into being an embiid guy. You know, I don't know

820
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: which one I would If you had asked me last year,

821
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: I would have said, you're crazy, Like you gotta keep

822
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: him together. It's really hard to get two players of

823
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: that age who are under control for the foreseeable future.

824
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: But now with the way that they've made this this

825
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: roster and they've they've capped themselves out and it's like

826
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: they've got this big bullyball thing that like didn't really work.

827
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: And like the Al Horford contracts, m what do you

828
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: do with Horford good? You're gonna have to attach something

829
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: to that to get you have to pay, You're gonna

830
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: have to pay somebody to take them off your hands

831
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: and unload that contract. And there's all these pipe dreams

832
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: and like you see these stories about maybe they can

833
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: move him to Okay, see with a pick in exchange

834
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: for like Chris Paul or something. Now I love that idea,

835
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: but if you're the Thunder, you have to get something

836
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: significant in return. That would be in terms of draft

837
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: picks or like capitalief or something. And then and the

838
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: sex Ys already exhausted their war chest. So it's gonna

839
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: be really hard for them to make this roster unless

840
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: they decouple the two main guys. And if you do that,

841
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know which one you keep. Um, this idea

842
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: that Chris Paul is like a fixed all for so

843
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: many teams is such garbage. I mean, this is a

844
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: guy who feuded with DeAndre Jordan's Blake Griffin James Harden.

845
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: He acts like an alpha because he thinks he's like

846
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Speaker 1: a Lebron type because he's buddies with Lebron, but he's

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Speaker 1: never displayed that kind of dominance on the court. Like,

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Speaker 1: are you a Chris Paul guy? I mean, he's one

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Speaker 1: of the great point guards of all time, right, so

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Speaker 1: he's top five, He's well, I mean, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: fly fly type of guy, right talking, I'm writing it

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Speaker 1: like here, I'm not a click click guy. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I will say that like he's certainly of his arrow,

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Speaker 1: a great, great player. Now has he you know, single

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Speaker 1: handedly wild the team to a championship? Now he hasn't,

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Speaker 1: But I think like he can make other teams better.

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Speaker 1: Look at what happened in Okay See this year were good.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you that he can frequently be a pain

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Speaker 1: in the ask. There's no doubt about that. However, Okay

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Speaker 1: Sy was supposed to be horrendous this year, and they

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Speaker 1: were a pleasant surprise. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: that is because he's just a really good, smart basketball player.

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Speaker 1: When he's got the players on his team who will

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Speaker 1: listen and fall in line, no problem. Yeah, it's gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I'll get you out of here on this one. John

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Speaker 1: Um NBA, Like, who do you think wins the title

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Speaker 1: next year? And before before that, I got to ask

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Speaker 1: about Janice and where you think he ends up going?

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Speaker 1: Or um, if Milwaukee Bucks fans want him to stick around,

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Speaker 1: I think that they'd want the answer to be the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks when the NBA championship, because I think shy

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Speaker 1: of that. I'd be shocked if he ended up staying. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, where does he go? I don't know that

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Speaker 1: everybody hears the rumors about him jump into say a

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Speaker 1: Golden State and becoming like the new KD something like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't have they pull that off Cowboys. I have

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Speaker 1: to look at the numbers. Um. Look, the story in

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee has been great with him. I think he's great

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Speaker 1: for that city. It's cool that the franchise is good.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, if you're honest and you're an international superstar,

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Speaker 1: don't you want to be on an international UH team

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Speaker 1: in an international city And like respect to Milwaukee, it's

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Speaker 1: not that. Yeah, Toronto, Dallas, Miami's an international hub, international,

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Speaker 1: great international airport. I think, all right, John Gonzalez, UM,

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Speaker 1: any parting words you want say anything real smart to

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Speaker 1: the UH, to the listeners out there, say something smart? Is?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you would be it would

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Speaker 1: be the first time that ever happened. I feel like

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Speaker 1: you were like a class valedictorian. And where'd you go

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Speaker 1: Ivy League school or something like that? I did. I

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Speaker 1: went to the Ivy League School of Philadelphy, North Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: called Oh yeah, Yeah, it's very good. It's basically it's

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Speaker 1: the it's like the extra the extra Ivy League line.

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Speaker 1: All the l train Simmons. Right, that's a great pole

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Speaker 1: by you. You weren't there by him with with no. No,

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Speaker 1: he was well before I'm like adults. No, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: my bad by bad he was when I was like

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Speaker 1: in high school or maybe late he was like eight

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Speaker 1: late eighties. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a college

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Speaker 1: basketball nerds. Sadly he was all before us. Where'd you go?

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Speaker 1: I went to James Madison University, Well, that's why I

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Speaker 1: graduated from. I started Virginia Tech, transferred to j MU

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Speaker 1: because of journalism, which a little better. They had like

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Speaker 1: a pipeline that didn't pan out for me. But but

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Speaker 1: look at you now, yeah, and in your face, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: When you when you got out of college, was the

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Speaker 1: Internet like a big deal? Yet? Uh it was becoming

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Speaker 1: a deal right because I went into college ticket I

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Speaker 1: want to be a newspaper guy. I want to I

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Speaker 1: want to be in a new I wanna be a

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Speaker 1: Lakers beat writer, you know. And like I got out

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Speaker 1: of college, I was like, oh, Internet, hello, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to work for a newspaper. Well, and and then

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Speaker 1: you go off and you do the big lead and

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Speaker 1: now you're on Fox, and I see you're smiling face

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Speaker 1: all the time. You get luck, and don't forget about you.

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Speaker 1: If you want me to say something smart, I will say,

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Speaker 1: don't forget about my cut. That's the yes, yes, obviously.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I'll buy you and the wife of dinner.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you guys will come out here to the beach,

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Speaker 1: and that would be wonderful. I would love to see you,

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Speaker 1: all right, John Gonzalez, good stuff, man, Stay safe out there, John,

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Speaker 1: all right man, good good to you in the family.