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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet, as a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd and this

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Speaker 1: is There Are No Girls on the Internet. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet, where we explore

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Speaker 1: the intersection of technology, social media, and identity. And this

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Speaker 1: is another installment of our weekly news round up where

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Speaker 1: we talk through all the stories that you might have

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Speaker 1: missed on the Internet this week, so you don't have to.

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm not opening up a can of worms

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Speaker 1: on this one, because I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: one of those topics that people have a lot to

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Speaker 1: say about. Leave it in the Spotify comments.

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Speaker 2: I read them. All I want to know. Don't come

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Speaker 2: for me, but let's just get into it.

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Speaker 1: So there are two former hockey players who are brothers,

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Speaker 1: Dan and Chris Powers. They have a very popular hockey

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Speaker 1: podcast called Empty Netters. As far as we know, they

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Speaker 1: are both straight white dudes. They had been covering the

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Speaker 1: show Heated Rivalry. We talked about Heated Rivalry a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's about two male hockey players who have a romance

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Speaker 1: and it's very horny.

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Speaker 2: It is a very horny show.

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Speaker 1: So I don't listen to the podcast, but in a

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Speaker 1: piece for Queer Tea, writer Alex Reamer describes the podcast's

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Speaker 1: coverage of heated rivalry like this, instead of breaking down

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Speaker 1: games and chattering over penalties, dudes sporting sweats and sloppy

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Speaker 1: stubbles started reacting to the lascivious scenes and intimate interplay

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Speaker 1: between the two male leads. Their efforts resulted in hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of views and unforeseen popularity. So it sounds

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Speaker 1: like these two straight hockey podcast guys have gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of popularity from covering this queer, steamy sexy show,

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Speaker 1: specifically breaking down the sex scenes, which there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of, because the show is super horny. So the

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Speaker 1: question that Reamer poses in this piece is whether or

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Speaker 1: not this should be celebrated as straight men, you know,

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Speaker 1: paying attention to queer media that is not necessarily for them,

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Speaker 1: or if it's performative allyship. You know, we're in a

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Speaker 1: culture where people like Ben Shapiro are demonizing really any

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Speaker 1: portrayals of sex and sexuality, but specifically also queer sex

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Speaker 1: and romance. So if you've got these white, straight CIS

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Speaker 1: heterosexual guys celebrating like horny queer romance and sexuality. That's great, right, However,

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Speaker 1: they're also getting lots of downloads and popularity and like

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Speaker 1: tangible monetary benefit from doing this. So are they really

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Speaker 1: celebrate it to get that money. As Rhymer put it,

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Speaker 1: it is wonderful when straight guys embrace queer art. Despite

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Speaker 1: right wing grievances, they are still the dominant force in society.

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Speaker 1: Their support goes a long way toward normalizing gay love

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Speaker 1: stories that feature far more sex than tragedy. But it's

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Speaker 1: hard to take their efforts and good faith when they're

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Speaker 1: monetized for views and downloads. They're Exaggerated reactions yelling, screaming,

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Speaker 1: jumping up and down, pulling their hair openly weeping can

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Speaker 1: also be obnoxious. Take the Empty Netters guys for example.

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Speaker 1: The backward hat wearing hosts live streams their performative reactions

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Speaker 1: to every episode. During their season finale show, which netted

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Speaker 1: and squirmed so I actually saw on social media. This

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Speaker 1: the Empty Netters hockey podcast, who basically said, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is silly because the hosts speak so glowingly about this

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Speaker 2: They clearly really like it.

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Speaker 1: Why are you getting upset that these straight guys are

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Speaker 1: enjoying queer media that should be exactly what we want.

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Speaker 1: But the plot thickens because now we have a piece

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Speaker 1: Sid Zeigler titled like just get a load of this

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Speaker 1: title Empty Netters host privately called Heated Rivalry trash show, creators,

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Speaker 1: losers and cowards subtitle as he publicly praised Heated Rivalry,

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Speaker 1: one Empty Netters host privately trashed the show.

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Speaker 2: Outsports has seen the texts.

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Speaker 3: They have receipts, they've seen the text This is this

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Speaker 3: is such a wild story about a podcast talking about

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Speaker 3: a TV show. But then there's like the texts have

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Speaker 3: been leaked and now they're getting called out or talking

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Speaker 2: What a story, Mike. We have the smoking gun, we

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Speaker 1: One of the hosts hate, doesn't just dislike it, hated

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Speaker 2: And said so very clearly in text messages.

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Speaker 1: So all while they were gushing about this show and

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Speaker 1: they were gush about this show. Yet, in a series

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Speaker 1: and Dan personally were publicly effusive in their praise. This

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Speaker 1: guy really is not fucking with this show. Here's some

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Speaker 1: of the text messages. Quote, I think these losers who

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Speaker 3: Cowards making a television show.

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Speaker 2: No, they're cowards.

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Speaker 1: Bemoaning the fact that the producers are quote Canadian for

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Speaker 3: What does this mean? Are these guys Canadian? Are they

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Speaker 3: They're like Canadians should know better than to make a

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Speaker 3: Obviously they're cowards because they're Canadian. Like what does this

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Speaker 1: I think it's that they're cowards because they're Canadian. The

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Speaker 1: the HBO show, And if you said that on social media,

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Speaker 1: and correctly being like, actually, it's not an HBO show,

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Speaker 2: So I think that what he is saying is that

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Speaker 1: By their nature cowardly and cannot make media that should

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Speaker 2: That's not me.

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Speaker 1: Saying this, that's him. I'm just trying to get a

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Speaker 1: handle all what he's saying. Here's another text message quote.

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Speaker 1: that he is talking about how great the show is

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Speaker 1: that that is the most revealing of the text, because

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Speaker 1: reasons why it's successful is that it's a queer story

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Speaker 2: So many queer stories.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a trope, right, the barrier gazed trope

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Speaker 2: Some sort of trauma.

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Speaker 1: If you've read a little life, like like the worst

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Speaker 1: things that can happen to somebody have to happen, and

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Speaker 1: this is not a show like that. It's also a

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Speaker 1: well acted show. It's also like very sexy. There are

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Speaker 1: so many reasons why this show is successful to just

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Speaker 1: boil that down to oh, it's because they just like

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Speaker 1: like checking the inclusivity box. I feel like that's that's

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Speaker 3: And if that's really how he feels, then how do

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Speaker 3: you think he feels about himself on this show? Performatively

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Speaker 3: talking about how much he loves it, right, Like if

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Speaker 3: he thinks the whole reason Heated Rivalry is successful is

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Speaker 3: because it's pandering and it's checking inclusivity boxes, and he

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Speaker 3: thinks that's bad, and then he himself is duplicitously say

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Speaker 3: how great it is. Let's get the little like twisted there.

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Speaker 1: Let him know, doctor Ramato exactly right, Like, if Heated

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Speaker 1: Rivalry is pandering to the like queer progressive to just

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Speaker 3: Very good point, yeah, and also backing it up, what

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Speaker 2: What the hell are you doing on your podcast?

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Speaker 1: The article also says quote in fact, in the early

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Speaker 1: days of the public reaction to Heated Rivalry, he was

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Speaker 2: Making blue hair Twitter happy.

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Speaker 1: So these are the same people that he is essentially

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Speaker 1: really is I mean, if this is how if you

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Speaker 1: have such disdain for these people, why would you want them,

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Speaker 1: Why would you be trying to be in community with them?

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Speaker 2: In this way, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like pretty puzzling. I mean maybe they feel

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Speaker 3: is this the equivalent of how you were always threatening

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Speaker 3: to sell out and like go maga and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: that you've ever cared about. Uh, they would eat that up?

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: You can go on Tucker Carlson or maybe an actual

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Speaker 3: show that like has advertisers. Is this the right wing

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: I think that he doesn't like this show but wants

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Speaker 3: Okay, But what.

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Speaker 1: I see your point though, that like, isn't it the

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Speaker 1: same thing? You know, I've always said Candice Owens is

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Speaker 1: the reason why I'm I'm obsessed with her is that

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Speaker 1: I see as sort of what if inverse fun house

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess you're right, like these backwards hat

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Speaker 3: wearing hockey players. But you know they're maybe I'm overthinking

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Speaker 3: make some money.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You and I had a very long talk about this

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Speaker 1: before we started recording. I have so many thoughts. My

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Speaker 1: first question is just how did out Because at the

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Speaker 1: Outsports article they go out of their way to explicitly

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Speaker 1: say several times, including in the title, we had the texts,

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Speaker 1: how did they get it? And they say this, this

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Speaker 1: person was sending texts to multiple recipients. How did they

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Speaker 1: get these texts? I am so curious, and this is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a nightmare scenario of mine. What

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Speaker 1: I think I mean, I love it when it happens

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Speaker 1: to somebody else, but it's also my nightmare of it

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Speaker 1: some one who clearly never thought they would be read

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Speaker 1: but it's also the idea of the text that I

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Speaker 1: I think that people should watch what they like, people

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Speaker 4: Like it's just dude, if I go if I am

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Speaker 4: And I don't get a drink on my table the

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Speaker 4: Poorly, and everyone's just like this, that's that. Hey, you're

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Speaker 3: that's not cool. Five hundred dollars for a membership to

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Speaker 2: It's like a member's only exclusive social club.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so people are just going through digging up these

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like my opinion is maybe not that good

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Speaker 1: or you know, not that interesting. But I would never

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Speaker 1: effusively he praised on something that I didn't like. Just

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Speaker 1: a little example, last week in our episode with Joey,

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Speaker 1: I just casually offhand mentioned RuPaul's memoir and I said, oh,

442
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Speaker 1: I read RuPaul's memoir. It was pretty good. Then after

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Speaker 1: the episode, I remember it actually I was getting it

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Speaker 1: mixed up with a different memoir. I actually didn't really

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Speaker 1: like RuPaul's memoir. So I had to call up Joey

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Speaker 1: and say, can you edit out me saying that I

447
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Speaker 1: enjoyed RuPaul's memoir because it was important to me to

448
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Speaker 1: be like, I don't want somebody to read this memoir

449
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Speaker 1: and be like, wow, Bridget liked this, and I remember

450
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Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't like it. I thought it

451
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Speaker 1: was full of platitudes and it's hauded like an Instagram caption,

452
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Speaker 1: no offense to RuPaul. Didn't love the memoir, So I

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Speaker 1: said it to say I can't see myself pretending to

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Speaker 1: really enjoy a piece of media that I did not.

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Speaker 1: That's not the same thing as holding back my feelings.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what do you think is any of

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Speaker 2: this making sense?

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Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, we talked about this and thought about

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Speaker 3: it. It is an interesting question, and I think you really

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Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head that, as far as

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Speaker 3: I feel at least, that there is a big difference

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Speaker 3: between holding back because for whatever reason, you think people

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Speaker 3: don't want to hear your opinions and actively saying something

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Speaker 3: when you believe the opposite those fields.

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Speaker 2: I would never to me, Yeah, I mean I would never.

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Speaker 2: I would never. Even if I I'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: of it, I just can't.

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Speaker 1: I just can't see myself ever doing that anyway, y'all,

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Speaker 1: let me know what you think in the comments. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that these hockey bros Are just performatively pretending

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Speaker 1: to like this queer show to get money and more listeners?

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Speaker 2: And well, yeah, what do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: I have so much to say about it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what other people think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, also curious what listeners think about authenticity because we

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Speaker 3: hear so much about authenticity being so important. But I

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Speaker 3: feel like the example about Bow and Yang that you

478
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Speaker 3: gave is a pretty good one. That Tina Fay's advice

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Speaker 3: to him that he needs to be careful about what

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Speaker 3: he says because he's so famous. I think most people

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Speaker 3: probably get that. And so there's like this duality of

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Speaker 3: expecting authenticity but also recognizing that when you have a

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Speaker 3: big platform, maybe it's not actually good to just say

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Speaker 3: whatever comes into your head.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's a thoughtful way to put it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it would be such a curse for me

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Speaker 1: personally to talk about Monkey Pa to be you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to be successful. I want the show to

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Speaker 1: be successful because I care about it. If I ever

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Speaker 1: got to the point where I can't say what I

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Speaker 1: actually think, that would be a curse. May I never

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Speaker 1: get famous enough that I cannot speak my mind? And

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Speaker 1: if you know, and I get it, bohen Yang, he's

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Speaker 1: friends with Ariana Grande, He's friends with the guy who

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Speaker 1: plays SpongeBob like he's famous, famous now and I'm listening

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Speaker 1: to his show since it first started. It it's like

498
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Speaker 1: you really see the trajectory just getting somebody unvarnished takes.

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Speaker 1: And that's what made me fall in love with their show,

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Speaker 1: Lost Culturistas. But then when you get to a certain

501
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Speaker 1: level of fame, it wouldn't be a good idea to

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Speaker 1: be so authentically, you know, as Tina Fey put it,

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Speaker 1: authenticity comes at a price. And I understand that a

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Speaker 1: certain point, when your career gets to a certain point,

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Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to pay that price. You

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Speaker 1: want to if somebody calls you up and wants to

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Speaker 1: put you in a movie, you don't want there to

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Speaker 1: be a track record of you talking.

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Speaker 2: Shit about them forever.

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Speaker 1: I basically accept that I'll never work I I before

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Speaker 1: I had this podcast, I worked at a tech company.

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Speaker 1: I worked at Medium. That was the best job I

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Speaker 1: ever had. It's a company that I will ride for.

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Speaker 1: I've accepted that I will never work at another tech company,

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Speaker 1: probably till until the day and for the for as

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Speaker 1: long as I live, because I've talked about.

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Speaker 2: So many of them. But like, I gotta call it

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Speaker 2: like I see it. I have to.

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Speaker 1: I have to call out companies that I think are bad,

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Speaker 1: and people that I think are bad leaders, and people

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Speaker 1: that have made bad choices.

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Speaker 2: Like I, I don't have much in this life, like

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Speaker 2: I want I need that.

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Speaker 5: Give me that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, people valued things. Some people value money

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Speaker 3: over everything else. Other people value the freedom to say

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Speaker 3: what they want, do what they want. I know which

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Speaker 3: side I'm on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, You're like, you'll never own a home, but you

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Speaker 1: will be talking shit into a microphone in.

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Speaker 2: Your kitchen until the day that you die.

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Speaker 3: You can say whatever you want.

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Speaker 5: More. After a quick break, let's.

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Speaker 2: Get right back into it. Okay, So switching gears.

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Speaker 1: We have talked about this in the podcast before, but

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Speaker 1: the White House their social media is such a cluster

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Speaker 1: of the worst, most gruesome content.

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Speaker 2: That you've ever seen in your life. It's truly gorulish stuff.

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Speaker 1: I sort of stopped paying attention to it, which I

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Speaker 1: think is exactly what they want.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's the kind of thing that in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, even among.

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Speaker 1: Their supporters, like even if you were a Trump supporter

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Speaker 1: or like a Trump voter, the kinds of content they

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Speaker 1: put out is I think you would have to be

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Speaker 1: a real ghoul to want to see, right. I remember

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Speaker 1: they were putting out videos of like stacks of migrant

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Speaker 1: men all all like it, just like stuff.

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Speaker 2: Where it's like you would have to be a sicko

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Speaker 2: to want to see this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they are actively engaged in the campaign to desensitize

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Speaker 3: Americans and make us all more cruel and indifferent to

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Speaker 3: the suffering of others. They want to celebrate the suffering

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Speaker 3: of others with a capital of exactly.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why so much of this administration has

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Speaker 1: been about creating content. You know, But and they create

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Speaker 1: the content that plays with the worst and also the

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Speaker 1: most stupid people on the Internet.

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Speaker 2: I remember you, and I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: About the video of I think it was Pete Hegseth

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Speaker 1: and Sean Duppy doing chin ups at an airport, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, what kind of person is Like, Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is what I want to see.

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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, at least the stupidest person.

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Speaker 3: At least that one was just stupid, right, Like, no

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Speaker 3: one was having their life destroyed or their body injured. Right,

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Speaker 3: give me so light stupidity. I would take that any

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Speaker 3: day over the cruelty and depravity that they push on

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Speaker 3: us every day.

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Speaker 2: Totally fair.

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Speaker 1: And it's you know, one of the reasons is now

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Speaker 1: the White House is asking ICE to make their own content.

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Speaker 1: It's why when Renee Good was killed in Minneapolis, the

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Speaker 1: officer that stopped her was.

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Speaker 2: Also filming on its personal cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Right, And so side note, do you remember in Chicago

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Speaker 1: when ICE and federal agents used helicopters to break into

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Speaker 1: an apartment building in the middle of the night where

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Speaker 1: they zip tide residents including kids and elders.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I definitely remember that. And it's a real

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Speaker 3: testament to these insane times to be lived, and that

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Speaker 3: that is an event that like came and went and

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Speaker 3: it's not like a continuing national embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and based on reporting from Pro PUBLICA and PBS,

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Speaker 1: none zero, not a single of the thirty seven individuals

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Speaker 1: arrested during that raid were charged with a federal crime.

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Speaker 1: Despite that operation initially being framed as this like big,

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Speaker 1: high profile anti terror action where they were going to like,

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Speaker 1: you know, take down these high level, big deal criminals,

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Speaker 1: the detainees who were primarily Venezuelan nationals based administrative immigration

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Speaker 1: and violations, rather than any kind of criminal charges. What

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Speaker 1: they ended up doing in that was just getting super

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Speaker 1: cool footage of helicopters breaking into people's homes and windows

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Speaker 1: at night that they put on official White House social

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Speaker 1: media channels. So they basically just terrorized entire community for

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Speaker 1: a video shoot.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get.

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Speaker 1: Any high profile you know, big deal terrorists or bad

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Speaker 1: guys at all.

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Speaker 2: Zero, not a nun not one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we are all just props in a collective

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Speaker 3: glamour shot of Trump portraying him as like some big

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Speaker 3: tough guy. It's it's really despicable and bothering. Can we

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Speaker 3: just talk about like the gay hockey again?

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Speaker 1: I know, so you might have heard that this woman

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Speaker 1: Nakima Levy Armstrong, who was an attorney and an organizer

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Speaker 1: and the former president of the NAACP's Minneapolis branch. She

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Speaker 1: was arrested during an action that disrupted church services in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: So she and protesters entered the city's church in Saint Paul.

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Speaker 1: And at this church, an ICE enforcement official serves as

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Speaker 1: the pastor of this church. So to be clear, there

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Speaker 1: was zero violence and zero property damage of any kind

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Speaker 1: during this action. Literally, they just came into the church,

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Speaker 1: said an anti ICE slogan, and that was it. So

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Speaker 1: there's not even any accusations that anything beyond that happened.

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Speaker 1: All parties agree on this. However, she was arrested by

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Speaker 1: federal officers. You might be wondering, like, what are the charges.

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Speaker 1: It's not even clear. This is from the Minnesota Public

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Speaker 1: Radio News. It was not immediately clear what charge she

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Speaker 1: would face, just as department officials have said in recent days,

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Speaker 1: they were considering charging the protesters under the Freedom of

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Speaker 1: Access to Clinic Entrances Act. If you're wondering what that

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Speaker 1: is or if it sounds familiar, that's the Faith Act

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Speaker 1: and it prohibits physically obstructing or using the threat of

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Speaker 1: force to intimidate or interfere with a person seeking reproductive

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Speaker 1: health services or seeking to participate in a service at

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Speaker 1: a house of worship.

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Speaker 2: So basically, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Policy that is really intended to allow folks to get

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Speaker 1: to reproductive health services, and the administration is trying to

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, maybe we can charge them under this

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Speaker 1: act to say that they physically block people who were

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Speaker 1: trying to participate in a church service. The people were

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Speaker 1: already seated in participating in a church service.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. Again, I'm no lawyer, but like

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Speaker 2: that's what they're saying.

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Speaker 3: It's like the creativity of morons who think that they're

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Speaker 3: really thinking outside of the box and they're not. They're

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Speaker 3: just like having stupid thoughts that don't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Initially, they tried to charge journalist Don Lemon, who was

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Speaker 1: covering this protest, but ultimately those charges didn't stick. A

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Speaker 1: magistrate judge rejected federal prosecutor's bid to charge Don Lemon

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Speaker 1: related to the church protest.

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Speaker 2: So Lemon said that he was there as a journalist,

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Speaker 2: not a protester.

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Speaker 1: Like I saw the footage that he took and it's

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Speaker 1: just like very obviously he was there as a journalist,

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Speaker 1: he said.

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Speaker 2: Once the protest started in the church.

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Speaker 1: We did an act of journalism, which was to report

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Speaker 1: on it and talk to the people involved, including the pastor,

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Speaker 1: members of the church and members of the organization.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's called journalism, he said.

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Speaker 1: So they arrested Nakima Levy Armstrong and the White House

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Speaker 1: published an AI altered image of her on social media.

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Speaker 1: According to The Guardian, the White House used AI to

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Speaker 1: darken her skin and make it look like she was

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Speaker 1: hysterically sobbing with like tears streaming down her face.

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Speaker 2: We'll put the image. We'll put the image in the

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Speaker 2: show notes.

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Speaker 1: In reality, during her arrest, she was completely composed. The

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Speaker 1: altering of the image on the official White House channel

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Speaker 1: also just made her look worse.

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Speaker 2: Than she actually looked.

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Speaker 1: They made her look older, They made her look kind

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Speaker 1: of more disheveled, They darkened her skin, they made her

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Speaker 1: look heavier. So originally the White House posted the real picture.

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Speaker 1: The Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome posted the image of

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Speaker 1: Armstrong's arrest at ten twenty one am on Thursday, an

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Speaker 1: hour after Pam Bondi's announcement that she had been arrested.

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Speaker 2: The image.

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Speaker 1: The unaltered image shows law enforce meant blurred out escorting Armstrong,

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Speaker 1: who appears to be handcuffed. She's dressed in all black,

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Speaker 1: and she appears to be composed in the picture. But

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Speaker 1: then I guess the White House was like, Nah, this

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Speaker 1: isn't inflammatory enough. So thirty minutes later, the White House

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Speaker 1: posted another image of her arrest, in which she is crying.

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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt reposted this image, and

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Speaker 1: the image posted by the White House, according to a

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Speaker 1: Guardian analysis, has been altered.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just reminds me of how much the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration really goes out of their way to deeply

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Speaker 1: disrespect black women. It's massage noir. It's racist, it's sexist,

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Speaker 1: it's gendered, it's racialized. And I think that they had

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Speaker 1: to know that the you know, the image of this

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Speaker 1: black woman composed and defiant while being arrested by federal

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Speaker 1: agents for this like very low scale pro test in

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Speaker 1: a church. They had to know that the image of

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Speaker 1: her looking defiant and composed was not going to play.

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Speaker 1: So they were like, we have to we have to

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Speaker 1: use AI to create this reality where in fact she

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Speaker 1: looks terrified and disheveled. And what's sobbing because that's what's

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Speaker 1: going to play with our base, especially because it's a

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Speaker 1: black woman.

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Speaker 3: Totally, that's what they do. They have no regard for

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Speaker 3: truth or reality. They think that they can just create

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Speaker 3: reality and push it on the rest of us and

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Speaker 3: alter images, say lies, and especially if it's about a

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Speaker 3: black woman. Absolutely right, it's so despicable. It like boils

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Speaker 3: my blood. Everything going on in Minneapolis is so offensive

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Speaker 3: to human dignity and like the sense of what it

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Speaker 3: is to be an American. It's really like pushing people's boundaries.

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Speaker 3: I think they're trying to They're trying to like push

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Speaker 3: the limits of what they can get away with. It's despicable.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't even have a deeper point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I'm really reminded in my home.

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Speaker 1: I have so many like images around my home of

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Speaker 1: all of the powerful and arresting images that we have

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Speaker 1: from you know, the civil rights movement, the black arts movements,

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Speaker 1: all of that.

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Speaker 2: I had.

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Speaker 1: There's this one iconic image and I'll put it in

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Speaker 1: the show notes of this woman Gloria Richardson, who was

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Speaker 1: the leader of the Cambridge Nonviolent Action Committee, and she's

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Speaker 1: it's this image that folks might have seen where she

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Speaker 1: is really giving a heavy side eye to a National

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Speaker 1: guardsman who was holding a rifle in her face, and

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Speaker 1: she's taking her hand and she's like physically pushing the

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Speaker 1: rifle out of like out of her face, and she

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Speaker 1: looks so defiant, right, and the look that she's giving.

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Speaker 1: I can't really explain it, but if you're a black woman,

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Speaker 1: or you are around black women, or you if you

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Speaker 1: had a black mom, or you know, like it is

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Speaker 1: a particular look that she is giving this National Guards

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Speaker 1: Guard member and that rifle that I've seen from my

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Speaker 1: I saw from my own mom a million times. I

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Speaker 1: can't even really put it into words, but I know

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Speaker 1: exactly what she is communicating via her look. And my

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Speaker 1: question is that image is arresting because she's using the

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Speaker 1: gifts and the tools that we as black women have

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Speaker 1: as a tool of in the face of being being

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Speaker 1: threatened with a gun.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you may have a gun in my face,

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Speaker 1: but I'm a black woman and I have a withering,

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Speaker 1: fucking stare and that's enough. No one's gonna remember the

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Speaker 1: name of that National Guard member putting a gun in

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Speaker 1: her face.

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Speaker 2: This image when you see it, you would be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: kin it right.

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Speaker 1: So what I guess the point that I am making

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Speaker 1: is that I think this is the administration using the

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Speaker 1: tools at their disposal, which are of course AI. Because

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Speaker 1: they're lazy, stupid morons who don't care about anything original

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Speaker 1: and don't have anything original to offer anybody.

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Speaker 2: They're using these tools to.

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Speaker 1: Try to take away our like God given abilities to resist.

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Speaker 1: Right we as black women, one of the gifts that

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Speaker 1: we have is the ability to you know, keep it cute,

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Speaker 1: have composure, look defiant, look iconic, even if we're being arrested,

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Speaker 1: like this sister was being arrested, right, And so the

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Speaker 1: fact that they are using such a lazy, fucking moron

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Speaker 1: trick of make her look bad and disheveled and crying

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Speaker 1: and scared, when in fact the sister was composed in

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Speaker 1: the face of this arrest, this federal arrest, I think,

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Speaker 1: really says a lot. And like what if, Like what

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Speaker 1: if all of the iconic images of people throughout the

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Speaker 1: years resisting somebody went in and used AI to try

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Speaker 1: to make them less defiant and less iconic, and again,

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Speaker 1: like I did something about this image.

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Speaker 2: They have nothing real to offer.

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Speaker 1: So they have to use the lazy moron's trick of

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Speaker 1: making her look bad via AI to obscure the reality

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Speaker 1: that this woman was confident, composed, and defiant.

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Speaker 2: She might have been scared inside.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but the like like trying to use

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Speaker 1: what they can to strip away the power of her composure.

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Speaker 1: Using AI, I think really says it all. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the reality is, we've all seen the original image. They

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Speaker 1: posted the original image. I think the original image.

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Speaker 2: She looked too since, looked too bold.

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Speaker 1: They were like, we can't have this be the official

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Speaker 1: image of this woman, you know, eating us up, serving

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Speaker 1: a face while she's getting arrested. We need to use

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Speaker 1: AI to make this image fit what our base is

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Speaker 1: going to like.

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Speaker 2: And it really, it just really says a lot to me.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3: I do? Yeah, you really said it? Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: they don't have anything real to offer. They depend on

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Speaker 3: making people afraid. They depend on immigrants being afraid. They

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Speaker 3: depend on Americans of color being afraid. Like in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 3: people are not going out. It's like a city under siege, right,

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Speaker 3: Like I saw a video the other day of a

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Speaker 3: twelve year old boy getting stopped and arrested. He was

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Speaker 3: on his way home from school. There was a woman.

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Speaker 3: She was a black woman cop like on the Minneapolis

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Speaker 3: Police Department. She was off duty. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: she was doing. She got stopped by. It was either

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Speaker 3: ice or border patrol.

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Speaker 2: I saw that.

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Speaker 3: It's just like American citizens going about their business, children

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Speaker 3: coming home from a school, all of them. This administration

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Speaker 3: wants them to be afraid, and they know that most

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Speaker 3: Americans find what they're doing repugnant, and so they have

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Speaker 3: to use AI and fakery to create this illusion that

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Speaker 3: people are actually afraid. Because people are afraid, but also,

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Speaker 3: like Nikima Armstrong, people are standing up against this tyranny

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Speaker 3: despite their fear. Right, Like, some things are more important

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Speaker 3: than being afraid. Somethings are more important than our own

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Speaker 3: physical safety of the moment. A lot of things are

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Speaker 3: more important than like getting arrested for a protest, you know,

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Speaker 3: like it's not great, but whatever. I don't know her

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Speaker 3: whole backstory, but like what I do know about her,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure she's been through far worse than spending an

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Speaker 3: evening or even overnight in a holding cell. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, And that is what I think. So is

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Speaker 3: so completely unacceptable to these would be tyrants that people

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Speaker 3: are not afraid of them, and so they have to

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Speaker 3: digitally edit things to make it seem as if people

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Speaker 3: are afraid when they're not. People are disgusted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, that's such a good point. When The Guardian

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Speaker 1: asked the White House whether or not that image had

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Speaker 1: been digitally altered, the White House responded by sending a

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Speaker 1: post from X from Kalen Door, the Deputy Communications director,

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Speaker 1: that said, yet again, to the people who feel the

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Speaker 1: need to reflexively defend perpetrators of heinous crimes in our country,

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Speaker 1: I share with you this message. Enforcement of the law

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Speaker 1: will continue. The memes will continue. Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: attention on this matter. So you know you're a serious

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Speaker 1: administration when you say the memes will continue. But also

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Speaker 1: that doesn't answer their question at all, so they obviously

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Speaker 1: did that shit.

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Speaker 3: The memes will continue. That should be the tagline to

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Speaker 3: this second Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it absolutely should be. And I'll just leave you

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Speaker 2: with this.

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Speaker 1: If they will use AI to manipulate images, especially when

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Speaker 1: the images exist in the original and that they put

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Speaker 1: the mouse the public have seen them on official White

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Speaker 1: House communication channels, they will do absolutely anything right, Like,

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Speaker 1: there is no I mean not that I needed to

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Speaker 1: tell anybody this, but there is no reason to believe

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Speaker 1: anything coming out of this White House.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that they.

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Speaker 1: Understand that when you use AI to manipulate reality in

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Speaker 1: this way, what you are admitting is that we are liars.

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Speaker 1: You cannot trust anything that we say, not that anybody needs,

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Speaker 1: not that that's a new splash to anybody listening, but like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're aware that they're just making

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Speaker 1: it clear that no one should ever take them at

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Speaker 1: face value about anything.

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Speaker 2: Ever. If they'll do this, they'll do anything.

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Speaker 3: You make a good point that, like this is so

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Speaker 3: hard to talk about, because you're right, that's not a

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Speaker 3: new point. Everybody knows that they lie constantly. They will

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Speaker 3: say anything, they will make things up. Their relationship to

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Speaker 3: the truth is non existent, like new phone who it is,

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Speaker 3: like they don't even know, and like what do you

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Speaker 3: do with that? It's but it's clear that anybody who

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Speaker 3: does take anything they say as a fact or something

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Speaker 3: that might be true, is playing along, is carrying water

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Speaker 3: for these authoritarians. And just like those podcast hockey bros,

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Speaker 3: you know, we have to ask, like what how important

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Speaker 3: is authenticity? You know, how much are we gonna let

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Speaker 3: people get away with saying things that they don't believe,

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Speaker 3: that they know are not true. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: the answer is there, but I you know, it seems

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Speaker 3: like a big question that we need to sort out

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Speaker 3: as a society.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't have put it better in myself more. After a

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Speaker 1: quick break, let's get right back into it. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: really quick, let me tell you about this guy, James Fishback.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking, who never heard of him?

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Speaker 1: But he is a Republican running for the governor of Florida.

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Speaker 1: And this guy's background is something first of all, financial messiness.

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Speaker 2: A hedge fund that I used to.

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Speaker 1: Work for successfully sued Fishback for more than two hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which he told the court that he's not

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Speaker 1: able to pay. So great start for somebody who is

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Speaker 1: throwing their hat in the ring to manage a state's budget.

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Speaker 1: Right then there is the political company that he keeps.

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Speaker 1: He has openly defended supporters of the far right commentator

877
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes by saying, quote, I found the audience of

878
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: young men who follow and watch Nickquentes to be actually

879
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: incredibly informed and insightful and very patriotic just for contacts.

880
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes is like a straight up Nazi. He was

881
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: just in a club in Miami bop into that Kanye

882
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: West song Hyle Schmitler.

883
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: Again, I will never say that in on.

884
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: No one will ever have a record of me saying that,

885
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: because I know the second that I do, someone's gonna

886
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: clip it.

887
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: So but you know you know who I'm talking about.

888
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to derail this. But when I

889
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: read that in the notes for this episode, I just

890
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: needed to look into it. I was like, what kind

891
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: of club would possibly play that song? It turns out

892
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: it's some Parisian themed club in Miami that was hosting Fuintes,

893
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: the Tate Brothers, and a bunch of other manusfr Chud's,

894
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: who all arrived on a big party bus that was

895
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: blasting that song over its loud speakers because they love

896
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: it so much. After the fact, the club put out

897
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: a statement that they had fired three people from their

898
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: staff who were involved, which I guess is good. Like,

899
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: on the one hand, I feel even more angry at

900
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: these dudes for getting a bunch of workers fired. But

901
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: then again, if those workers were cool with this song

902
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: and thought that it was gonna be like a fun

903
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: joke to play it, or maybe not even a fun joke,

904
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: maybe like a fun affirmation of their values. They can

905
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: get bent, and my solidarity for almost all workers does

906
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: not extend to straight up Nazis. So sorry for that diversion,

907
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 3: but I just had to share more about that story

908
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: because I cannot believe that that happened in Miami, of

909
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 3: all places.

910
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: We talked about this in the episode that we did

911
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: this week with Parker Maloy Briefly, that was such a

912
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: weird situation.

913
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 2: I saw some like footage of it.

914
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: And they were in a sprinter van playing Kyle Schmitler beforehand,

915
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: and I think Sneako or one of them had an

916
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: image that was like we're driving around in the sprinter

917
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: van with college hotties, and it's an image where the

918
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: the inceel right wing dudes are up front and then

919
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: the girl. It's like it's like a group of girls

920
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: just in the back, and it's like, I can tell

921
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: that you all just paid these women to come in

922
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: the sprinter van, because if these were like the girls

923
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: are just talking amongst themselves, so it's like the girls

924
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: are just props. Y'all aren't even like talk like embedded

925
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: with or talking to or engaging with the girls. And

926
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Eddie capacity just like, and there's some girls in the back,

927
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing, we're not even talking

928
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: to them, but we're upfront doing this. And then also,

929
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: funny enough, I saw a video of Andrew Tate after

930
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: the fact basically being like I didn't request the song.

931
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't singing the song. It just happened to play

932
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: Da Da Da Da, And I was like, you're supposed

933
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: to be this big alpha and after your big stunt,

934
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: you can't even stand tintos down on it. You're gonna

935
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: be like I just went into the club and this

936
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: song Smile Schmitler that we had just been filming ourselves

937
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: bopping too in this sprinter van.

938
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: They just happened to randomly play it. I didn't even

939
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: dance to it. It's like you.

940
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I just was like, this is the you're at the

941
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: big scary Alpa. You can't even like commit to the bit.

942
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: My god, I mean, talk about distorting reality. These dudes

943
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: who were all like they just lived to like bench

944
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: press with each other and like be up at the

945
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: front of the bus while all the girls are in

946
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 3: the back.

947
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also funny because I'm curious what the deal

948
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: was how the song ended up getting played in the club.

949
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: I am a former DJ. I dj' it all through college.

950
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: If somebody came up to me and was like, hey,

951
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: play this song that references Hitler positively, I would not

952
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: do it.

953
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: I mean somebody. I have no recollection of this.

954
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: But when I was in college, was like nineteen, I

955
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: was DJing a party and I must have been blackout drunk,

956
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: because I have no recollection of this. Somebody came up

957
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: to the DJ buto and requested a song, and apparently

958
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: I flicked the lit cigarette at.

959
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: Them and said no requests.

960
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: I have no I have only heard about this from

961
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: other people.

962
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: I have no recollection of it actually happening. But fuck no,

963
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have played this song.

964
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: I would have flicked at the very least, I would

965
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: have flicked the lit cigarette out he said no requests.

966
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: There's a lot of the things in this world that

967
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: I feel were like missed opportunities and make me a

968
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: little sad. I feel like the fact that the world

969
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: did not get a better glimpse of twenty year old

970
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: bridget like flicking lit cigarettes at people from behind a

971
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: DJ booth. This is a real tragedy. The people who

972
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: were there, I hope they understood what they were witnessed to.

973
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

974
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: I just thank god that, unlike sneak O and Nick Quintz,

975
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: there's no footage of this because this was all happening

976
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: at a time before and that was ubiquitous.

977
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: Also, a dude's name is sneak O.

978
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: Sneak Oh. Yeah, he's one of the one of the chuds.

979
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: Sneak Oh.

980
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

981
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: So back to Fishback.

982
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: So Fishback's running for governor Florida. He also freely admits

983
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: that he spends three to four hours every day on

984
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: X just like posting content and like doing content, YouTube interviews,

985
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: gaming streams. He's basically a rage bait candidate, y'all. As

986
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: Democratic political consultant Steve Shale put it, he's shown absolutely

987
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: nothing to demonstrate that he's actually a serious candidate for governor.

988
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: But instead of languishing an obscurity, this is, according to

989
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: the Miami Herald, like the nearly three dozen other political

990
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: unknowns running for Florida governor. Also, three dozen people are

991
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: running for Florida governor. That is that is some Florida

992
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: nonsense right there.

993
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: His mom is a gatorah.

994
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: Like a literal alligator. This time the gator bites. Gators

995
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: bite back.

996
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: His policies are socially conservative, financially liberal.

997
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: And he will bite you because he's a gater. Okay,

998
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, where was I? Okay?

999
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: Instead of languishing an obscurity like the nearly three dozen

1000
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: other political unknowns running for Florida governor, his NonStop social

1001
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: media outrage machine has raised his profile enough to force

1002
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: the Republican establishment to deal with him and the white

1003
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: nationalists that he's been courting. So here's a detail about

1004
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: him that connects with why I would be talking about

1005
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: this turn at all. He used to run a debate

1006
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: program for young people, for kids. How did that go well?

1007
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: Four years ago, the Broward County School District in Florida

1008
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: had to cut ties with Fishback and his organization, Incubate Debate,

1009
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: following allegations that he had an inappropriate romantic relationship with

1010
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: a then seventeen year old girl employed by Incubate Debate.

1011
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: These allegations led to the resignation of an Incubate debate

1012
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: board member. Fishback also so threatened the parents who made

1013
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: this allegation with legal action. So here's what we know.

1014
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Fishback and this girl moved in together in the spring

1015
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, after she turned eighteen. They were

1016
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: briefly engaged in twenty twenty four before publicly breaking up. Now,

1017
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: Fishback has denied any inappropriate contact prior to her turning

1018
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: eighteen and reaching the age of consent. This is a

1019
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: denial that she disputes. She said that they did have

1020
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: inappropriate contact when she was seventeen, before she was a minor.

1021
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: The Broward County School District says that they cut ties

1022
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: with his debate program after concerns about his quote failure

1023
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: to follow district safeguards with students.

1024
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: So don't fuck them.

1025
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is the kind of guy who

1026
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: wants to dictate morality to women.

1027
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: What do you think about that? He's definitely the kind

1028
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: of person who I think needs to be.

1029
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: When I think of somebody who is morally upstanding, it's

1030
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: guys like this.

1031
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: So, just to recap, not only was she seventeen and

1032
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: part of this like student group thing that he was running,

1033
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: but she was also his employee corract. It's just like

1034
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: maybe he has a fetish for anti ethical behavior.

1035
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he never paid back that two hundred k.

1036
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: So one of the major planks of his campaign is

1037
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: what he is calling a syntax for Only Fans creators.

1038
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: He says that if he's elective governor, he will push

1039
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: for a fifty percent tax on income earned by Only

1040
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Fans creators in Florida, and that that money will go

1041
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: to support the schools.

1042
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: Listen to how he talks about this.

1043
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: He said, quote, my message to the owners of Only

1044
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: Fans is to get the hell out of our state.

1045
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: I hope you go bankrupt.

1046
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: Don't you dare come to my state and try to

1047
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: exploit and abuse young women because that's my job. Just kidding,

1048
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: He didn't say that. I added that my message to

1049
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: the men buying this content stop, my message to the

1050
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: women who are being exploited stop. So this is just

1051
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: more like rage bait from this dude. His policy even

1052
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: called out a specific OnlyFans creator by name. He says,

1053
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: my proposal ast Florida governor is to raise the tax

1054
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: on OnlyFans models income to fifty percent. So for someone

1055
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: like Sophia or Rain, she would end up paying Florida

1056
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: forty two million dollars in taxes, and Sophie Rain, the

1057
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: only Vans creator that he specifically named, was like, I

1058
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, to quote Bo and Yang and

1059
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: met Rogers from Lust Culturistas.

1060
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey.

1061
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: So she clapped back.

1062
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: She said, never in my whole life that I think

1063
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: that I would wake up and see a Florida politician

1064
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: trying to start beef with me for Cloud. She pointed

1065
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: out that she and all the other only Vans creators

1066
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: already pay significant federal taxes. We would have to pay

1067
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: fifty percent to the state on top of the thirty

1068
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: seven percent I already pay to the government.

1069
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: And I would be.

1070
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: More than happy to pay that if multi billion dollar

1071
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: our corporations were also being properly taxed. But surprised they

1072
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: are not. So listen one thing you say about Rain.

1073
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: She pay her bills because this guy was like, listen,

1074
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: I owe you two hundred K.

1075
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: Guess what.

1076
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: I can't pay it, and I'm not gonna pay it,

1077
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: right like, she pays her bills. Honestly, she sounds like

1078
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: she would make a better governor of Florida than this guy.

1079
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that fictional alligatory candidate would

1080
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: probably be a better governor.

1081
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: He might bite you, but at least he's not this guy.

1082
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least you know where he stands.

1083
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: Yes, biting, And I just think that people like fishback they.

1084
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that like Sophia Rain is exactly right.

1085
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: He is trying to clout Chase by talking about her

1086
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: mentioning her name. She's a very popular creator, you know,

1087
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: makes a lot of money, and so I think that

1088
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: she's spot on. But I also think that it's really

1089
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: the fact that folks, especially women, who are doing sex

1090
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: work and have been able to find ways to profit

1091
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: that might be less exploit and give them more control.

1092
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: That is really what the beef is with him. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is to be clear only fans. I think does

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Speaker 1: take like twenty percent off the top, So it's not like,

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00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're not getting one hundred percent of the money. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But forgive me if I think that a man who

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00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: was in a relationship with a minor, according to that miner,

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00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: is genuinely worried about the sexual exploitation of women and girls.

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Speaker 1: It's about control. It is about him being uncomfortable with

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Speaker 1: women's sexual and economic agency and autonomy being in the

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Speaker 1: same place. And yeah, shout out to Sophia or Rain

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Speaker 1: because I think that sex workers have been involved in

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Speaker 1: the labor rights movement, every fight for like body autonomy,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're instrumental to the fight for and conversations

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Speaker 1: around things like economic justice, right like, they organize, they advocate,

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Speaker 1: they protect each other, They advocate for things that end

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Speaker 1: up protecting all of us. Meanwhile, politicians like fishback are

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: too busy the not following district safeguards with young girls.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick break at our back.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 1: You know, I am excited because the Oscar nominations dropped

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 2: I want it. Can we talk briefly about it?

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I'm the kind of person who waits

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Speaker 1: for the Oscar nominees to drop, watches a lot of

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Speaker 1: the films, has takes.

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Speaker 2: Can can we can we talk a little bit about it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I know that you love talking about the Oscars.

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Speaker 3: I have even seen several of the movies this year,

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Speaker 3: so I feel like I can contribute to the conversation.

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know, quite a few of them I

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: think are actually relevant to the stuff we talked about

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Speaker 3: on the show. So yeah, what uh what do you

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Speaker 3: think about the Oscar nominations?

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Speaker 1: Bridget Well, First of all, I have to say, I

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Speaker 1: think the reason why you've seen more movies that are

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Speaker 1: nominated than you usually would is the positive effects of

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Speaker 1: my bullying of being like, no, we got you gotta

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Speaker 1: see this movie, or no, we're gonna go see it.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's see it.

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Speaker 3: So nerd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking credit for that. Uh, y'all know I

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Speaker 2: have I have said this before.

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Speaker 1: My dream is to have like a movie culture podcast.

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: On The Ringer Allah The Ringer.

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Speaker 1: Where it's tech culture meets movies, kind of the way

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: that on The Ringer they talk about movies and TV,

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01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: but their lens is really sports And I feel like

1140
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: my the lens through which I see the world as technology.

1141
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: That is that is my goal in life.

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: Is this whole tech podcast thing is just an excuse

1143
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: to talk about movies and television and culture, so all

1144
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: things that are very important to me. Yeah, the nominees

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01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: were about, Oh what I was expecting.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of notable snubs.

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01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it was just an accident,

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01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: A little surprised to not see that get a shout out.

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01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: In Best Picture, Sinners, a movie that you and I

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01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: saw together in the theater, got the most nominations of

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Speaker 1: any movie ever with sixteen nominations. So this is not

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: just the most nominations of any movie nominated in this Oscars.

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01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: In the history of the Oscars, no movie has ever

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: been more nominated than Sinners. Major shout out to Sinners

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Speaker 1: cinematographer Autumn derald Arkipa, who also made Oscar's history as

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: the first ever woman of color nominated in that category.

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Speaker 2: This is kind of wild.

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: In the history of the category, no woman has ever

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Speaker 1: won the Oscar for Cinematography. I have a feeling she

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: might change that if she wins. Just I think she might.

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Speaker 1: And only three women ever in general have been nominated,

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Speaker 1: Rachel Morrison for the twenty eighteen film mud Bound, Ari

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: Wedner in the twenty two one movie The Power of

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01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: the Dog, and Mandy Walker in twenty twenty two for Elvis.

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Speaker 1: It's really one of those things where I want to

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: celebrate this as an achievement, but also it's sort of

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01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: bittersweet because I can't help but hear the small handful

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Speaker 1: of women who have ever been nominated ever and be like,

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, and it's taken this long. It's unbelievable that

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Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty six when we have our first ever

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Speaker 1: woman of color nominated in this category.

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Speaker 2: That is wild to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is surprising. I I feel like it's a

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Speaker 3: fact that women are underrepresented just in cinematography across the board,

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Speaker 3: like as cinematographers. Is that right? Do you know if

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Speaker 3: that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I mean, women are underrepresented in filmmaking and all aspects

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Speaker 1: of entertainment writ large, so would not survive for me

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Speaker 1: to find that cinematography.

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Speaker 2: That is true for cinematography, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, there are so many amazing women cinematographers and women filmmakers,

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01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: and but it's it's it's I want to be very clear.

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Speaker 1: It is not that they don't exist, because they're there.

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Speaker 1: I could, I could name off some, but it is

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01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: true that they don't often get to support the representation,

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, the the placement that they deserve.

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Speaker 3: Well, that makes Autumn g Archipa's nomination even more impressive

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Speaker 3: than exactly.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: The best film nominees this year are sinners. One Battle

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Speaker 1: after Another, Pagonia, Marty Supreme, f One, Frankenstein, Hamnett, The

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01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,959
Speaker 1: Secret Agent, Sentimental Value, and Train Dreams. I have seen

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01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these films already, but not all of them.

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Speaker 1: I still have not seen Marty Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Mike I.

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Speaker 1: We had a conversation about this, like maybe a month ago.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to get you to come see it

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Speaker 1: with me, and you were like, oh, Marty Supreme, I've

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01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: not heard of this movie.

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Speaker 2: What's it about?

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01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: And I said, it's like Rocky meets Uncut Gems, but

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: Ping Pong and Timothy Shalomet.

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01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: Surprise, surprise. You were not sold.

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01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: And then you were like, well, who is the director?

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: What's going on with this movie? And I said, oh,

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: it's a Softie Brothers movie. Do you remember when I

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01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: watched the movie that was also directed by the Softie Brothers,

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: Good Time? And I told you that I had to

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01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: watch it while taking long breaks because it was such

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01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: a stressful, stress inducing movie experience, and I genuinely thought

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Speaker 1: I might have been having a panic attack, and that

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Speaker 1: I've never had a more physically uncomfortable movie watching experience

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Speaker 1: in my whole life. And then you were like, well,

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: how was the movie and I said, great, I loved it.

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Speaker 1: It's like that, basically, I was not selling it. Didn't

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01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: none of this was selling you on going to see

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Speaker 1: Marty Supreme with me.

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Speaker 3: No, And multiple people have tried to talk to me

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Speaker 3: about this movie, which I have not seen, and they

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Speaker 3: all do an equally terrible job of communicating to me

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Speaker 3: why I should watch it, Like I am sort of

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: intrigued at this point, just because it's like I clearly

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01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: don't understand what it's about. Like I was talking to

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Speaker 3: a different friend the other day and she asked me

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: if I'd seen it, and I said no. She was like, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I've never seen a movie that I appreciated so much

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Speaker 3: and enjoyed so little. What does that mean? Like, why

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01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 3: does every take on this movie inscrutable? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I guess it does make me a little bit curious

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: to see it. I've since gleaned that. I guess part

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01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: of the appeal is that it provokes a lot of

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Speaker 3: anxiety in the viewer, And I guess that's supposed to

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Speaker 3: be fun because it's cool to feel something for a change,

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Speaker 3: Like is that part of it?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: That is a softy Brothers vibe of of making movies

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01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: and shows that are so anxiety provoking that the viewer

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01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: the point is that the viewer becomes uncomfortable and perhaps distraught.

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: That's how I would describe it. And then afterward you're like,

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: what a great experience that was. I sure felt physically distraught.

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01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I generally try to not feel physically distraught.

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: I did really enjoy Uncut Gems and Bo Is Afraid,

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: both of which are movies that made me feel very

1244
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: like Edgy bo was Afraid. I feel was like kind

1245
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: of ridiculous and silly in a way that allowed me

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 3: to keep a little bit of emotional distance from the anxiety.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna have to watch Marty Supreme.

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01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would like to see it. I

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: remember inviting my friend Nico over to watch Shoa, which

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01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: is the ten of You of n't in Shoa. It's

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01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: like a ten hour documentary about the Holocaust, And after

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01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: it was over, we watched all ten hours.

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Speaker 2: When it was over, Nico turned to me and said,

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Speaker 2: they really did a.

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Speaker 1: Great job of making of really making the viewer feel

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Speaker 1: like they were there, like you really feel what.

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Speaker 2: It must have been like. Because the movie is like

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01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: it's it's long.

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: I love the documentary, but some might describe it as torturous,

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Speaker 1: and that is not that that is very much with intention.

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Speaker 1: So I say that to say, movies where the viewer

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: is meant to experience a challenging sensation or some kind

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Speaker 1: of discomfort or or my or for whatever reason, or

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Speaker 1: my kind of.

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Speaker 3: Movies, you should maybe investigate that.

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Speaker 2: Point taken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So what else was nominated? What else you

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Speaker 3: got here?

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Speaker 1: I did want to shout out to the noms for

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Speaker 1: Best Documentary. One is Perfect Neighbor was nominated for Best Documentary.

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01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: We interviewed Solodad O'Brien, one of the producers of that

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01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: film and a personal hero of mine, for an episode

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: that aired on November twenty fifth. It was around the

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01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving holidays, so folks might have missed it. I will

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Speaker 1: say Perfect Neighbor is a bit of a controversial documentary.

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: I was listening to the Ringers movie podcast The Big Picture,

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01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: where they were breaking down the Oscar nams, and one

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: of the hosts was talking about how he liked the

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: documentary when he first saw it on Netflix, but then

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: the more he thought about it, the kind of like queasier.

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01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: It made him and Soldad O'Brien and I in our interview.

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: That was one of the reasons I really wanted to

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01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: talk to her because the documentary, if folks haven't seen it,

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01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: it's about a horrible murder that happened in Florida where

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: a woman killed her neighbor and tried to claim that

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01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: she did so because she feared for her life to

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Speaker 1: get protection under the stand your the state's stand yourd

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: ground laws. And so the entire film is shot entirely

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Speaker 1: through surveillance footage, so police footage and you know, ring

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Speaker 1: camera footage, and it's a pretty rough watch. There's like

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: one scene in particular that is that is particularly hard

1292
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: to watch and controversial, and so I understand the feeling.

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Speaker 2: Of this is queasy, you know, should this have been air?

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01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: One of the ethics of this, And that's exactly the

1295
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: conversation that solod Out O'Brien and I had in that interview.

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Speaker 1: We'll put the conversation in the show notes, but it's

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Speaker 1: a conversation that I'm very.

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Speaker 2: Proud of and sold out Brian.

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Speaker 1: It's just a very cool person and she's one of

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: my personal heroes, and so was cool to talk to

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Speaker 1: her about it on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did see that one. And I also really

1303
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,799
Speaker 3: enjoyed listening to that interview that you did with Solidad O'Brien.

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01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 3: You two talked about, I guess, the controversy around the

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Speaker 3: film and the ethics of using surveillance footage and the

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Speaker 3: ethics of some other aspects of what was included that

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Speaker 3: I won't get into because I don't want to spoil

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Speaker 3: it for anybody, And I thought you two had a

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Speaker 3: really thoughtful, interesting conversation about it. I guess I personally

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Speaker 3: feel like a lot of the sort of vague queasiness

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Speaker 3: that people are expressing about it, I don't totally get Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't totally get it. It feels a

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Speaker 3: little avoidant to me.

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Speaker 1: So I get it when people are talking about why

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Speaker 1: that movie makes them uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: I completely get it. I just don't happen to agree.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I also felt very uncomfortable with what we see in

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Speaker 1: that documentary, And if you haven't seen it, it's something specific.

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Speaker 1: If you have seen it, you know exactly what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. I understand. I experienced the same discomfort, the

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Speaker 1: same cleasiness, the same sort of going through the ethics

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Speaker 1: of it. But and especially after that conversation that I

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Speaker 1: had with Soult O'Brien about it, it is clear to

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Speaker 1: me why the movie is the way it is. It

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Speaker 1: is clear to me why the team made the choices

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Speaker 1: that they did ethically, editorially, visually, all of it. All

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Speaker 1: of it is very clear to me, and I think

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Speaker 1: folks should see the documentary if they have it already,

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Speaker 1: it's on Netflix, and they should listen to the conversation

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Speaker 1: that sold Out O'Brian and I have about it, because

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Speaker 1: to me, they pair very nicely. And I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: just leave it there because I feel like we're talking

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Speaker 1: about a movie that people are probably like, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about? But it is definitely a good documentary

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Speaker 1: and it's I think folks should check it out. I

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Speaker 1: also wanted to shout out another movie nominated for Best Documentary,

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Speaker 1: Come See Me in the Good Light, which is a

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Speaker 1: documentary produced by the comedian Tignataro, about the life of

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Speaker 1: the late Colorado poet Laureate Andrea Gibson, who was one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite poets who died of ovarian cancer over

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Speaker 1: the summer, Mike, one of your favorite musicians. Brandy Carlyle,

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Speaker 1: who I know that you really like, wrote an original

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Speaker 1: song for that film.

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Speaker 3: I know it's great. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Oh you are you're already I'm not. You're like, tell

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Speaker 2: me something I don't know.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm up to date on Brandy Carlyle's work.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, here, I thought I was going to be

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Speaker 1: able to tell you something. Listeners, y'all have no idea

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Speaker 1: how into Brandy Carlyle.

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Speaker 3: Mike is.

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Speaker 1: Honestly though, if I can like embarrass you just for

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: a moment, people would be very to look at Mike Spotify.

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Speaker 1: I want to say this, if you are a woman

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Speaker 1: with a guitar and like a like a wounded soul

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Speaker 1: and a song in your heart and a twang to you,

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Speaker 1: Mike is smuckin' with it.

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Speaker 2: Am I am I lying?

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Speaker 3: You're not lying. No, that's a wounded soul and a

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Speaker 3: guitar and a song in their heart. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 3: person I want to listen to. That's what I want

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Speaker 3: out of art.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So, I'm actually surprised that the Brandy Carlyle song

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Speaker 1: was not nominated for Best Original Song. I was surprised,

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Speaker 1: but this documentary I'm glad that the documentary got a nomination.

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Speaker 1: It's on Apple TV. It is beautiful, It'll make you cry.

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Speaker 1: Andrea Gibson was just one of those uniquely talented people

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Speaker 1: and we were so lucky to have them. I feel

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Speaker 1: personally lucky that Andrea Gibson put their voice into the

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Speaker 1: world and their their their perspective into the world.

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Speaker 2: So it kind of was a sleeper film.

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Speaker 1: I really was surprised to see it on the nominations,

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Speaker 1: like pleasantly surprised because it didn't get a lot of

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Speaker 1: press and attention when it came out.

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Speaker 3: Curious that it's a documentary from Tagnataro. I didn't know

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Speaker 3: that tag Natara was making documentaries.

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Speaker 1: Oh tig Nataro multi hyphen it also podcaster.

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Speaker 3: Really does it all?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So some of those are some of the high

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Speaker 1: points for film in twenty twenty five, twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're going to go through the long points.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just have to shout out, you know, our favorite.

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Speaker 1: So the if the oscars are out, that means the

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Speaker 1: Razzies are out. The Razzies celebrate the opposite end of

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Speaker 1: the spectrum, the worst movies. Guess what, that's what movie

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Speaker 1: snag the nomination for Worst Movie of the Year.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, if they had an award for worst Movie

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Speaker 3: of the decade, I think it would be a strong contender.

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Speaker 1: War of the Worlds, which folks might remember. We talked

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Speaker 1: about it on the podcast. I told producer Mike if

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Speaker 1: I think it was at least five people wrote in

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: and left comments saying that we should do a rewatch

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Speaker 1: episode of it.

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01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 2: We would do it. Five of y'all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on with you all,

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: but five of you knuckleheads actually wrote in until we

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Speaker 1: did it.

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Speaker 3: This is like a cursed monkey Pauw version of your

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01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 3: dream to have a movie podcast on the Ringer, It's

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 3: like you could have a movie podcast, but you only

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01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 3: get to review War of the Worlds.

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: Just every day I wake up and have to do yes.

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Speaker 1: So in this universe, they keep making sequel after sequel

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: after sequel, and I'm just like Twilight Zone, stuck in

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01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: reviewing it.

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Speaker 3: Battle of the World, Skirmish of the World, War of

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 3: the Planet, and it's it's all the same footage shot

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01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:07,839
Speaker 3: in front of a green screen.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what a masterpiece.

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Speaker 1: If well, I mean, we'll put it in the show

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: notes that episode was. Actually, we've done a few movie

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01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: rewatch episodes of the podcast that I force on you

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01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: with all the listeners. That one was difficult because the

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: movie just patently makes no sense. And so usually when

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01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about a movie on a podcast, the plot

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01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: follows a certain structure. You can break it down for

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: people even if they haven't seen it. It's maybe it's

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01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: interesting to listen to War of the Worlds is like

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Speaker 1: off the fucking charts, Like I remember being like, like

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: the notes that we took looked like the Pepe Sylvia

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01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 1: always sunny diagram was so gnarly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I watched a video after the fact of somebody

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 3: just putting together a composite of ice cube just delivering

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 3: takes to the camera, and they were arguing, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if they had evidence or not that this was

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Speaker 3: actually what happened, but it totally fits. They were saying

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Speaker 3: that like he didn't even know what the script was

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Speaker 3: gonna be. He just like sat down in front of

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Speaker 3: a green screen and recorded a bunch of takes of

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01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: being like that's crazy, oh no, And then they stitched

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Speaker 3: that together and called it a feature film.

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Speaker 2: That's what they did, That's what they's.

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01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 3: A wild approach to making movies or entertainments. And we

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Speaker 3: watched it, and.

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Speaker 2: We researched it.

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Speaker 1: Got a story about an interesting thing in tech. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say hi. You can read just that

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Speaker 1: hello at tengodi dot com. You can also find transcripts

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Speaker 1: for today's episode at tengody dot com. There Are No

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Speaker 1: producer and sound engineer. Michael Almado is our contributing producer.

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