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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and the little known,

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Speaker 2: fascinating facts and figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV

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Speaker 2: shows and more. We are your two has been sci

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Speaker 2: fi stars of years gone by. Your phaser is set

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Speaker 2: to stunt. I don't think we can actually say that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, legally, yes, for legal reasons, you're not really Trek.

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Speaker 2: He's telling you about a not really Star Trek movie.

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex Cycle and I'm Jordan run the talk.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you put a lot into that. Yeah, that's good,

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Speaker 1: and Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Today we're taking a look at one of the most

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Speaker 2: adored parodies, which may be a thing of the past

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Speaker 2: in recent memory, unaffectionate spoofing of Star Trek that even

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Speaker 2: its famously obsessed fans gave a pass to based on

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Speaker 2: its charms. That's right, We're talking about Galaxy Quest, the

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Speaker 2: little sci fi comedy that could in the year of

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Speaker 1: So that's my first question, Jordan. Do we have Hollywood

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Speaker 1: parodies anymore? Or do they have?

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Speaker 2: They just ceeded that completely to like influencers and YouTube people.

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Speaker 1: And Instagram people. Yeah, I can't think of a really solid,

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Speaker 1: well done parody, certainly in the last like ten years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it would be like the Coen

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Speaker 2: But it's not that's that's not a parody, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's like a that's just set in that world.

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Speaker 1: It's not like explicitly taking aim at one thing. I

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Speaker 1: studio system. I don't know, man, that is a difficult question. Here.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a Wikipedia landing page for parody films

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Speaker 1: by decade twenty. I'm in the twenty tens now. I

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Speaker 1: see nothing that I recognize on here at all. They're

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Speaker 1: all like really low budget, yeah, very obvious. Like instead

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Speaker 1: Brother Borat and Scary Movie five. Oh yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think the last guys standing are probably the Zucker Brothers, right,

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Speaker 2: that guys who did not another teen movie and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I did know that, I did know that the

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Speaker 1: I got nothing, I think. I mean, if we were

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Speaker 1: talking about this earlier too, they don't green light movies

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Speaker 1: either huge or like indie adjacent. Yeah, exactly. And you

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Speaker 1: know this one is just done with such a sweet,

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Speaker 2: I remember I interviewed Jason Siegel once for the Muppet

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Speaker 1: Know, the Muppets are funny, but they're never mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeahah, well miss Piggy, well yeah, but he was like,

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Speaker 1: And I think like the key to this movie's success,

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Speaker 1: you know, Sorry, just the image of you talking with

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Speaker 1: I hope there's a tape of this. I would really

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Speaker 2: Uh no, this was from my first shows for like

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Speaker 2: Nerve dot com. Oh yeah, twelve. Yeah, he was really sweet.

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Speaker 2: He signed off the phone call back, going all right,

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Speaker 2: talk to you later. No, we won't, but how sweet

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I didn't.

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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't see this movie until years later,

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine, as you'll remember, was Star Wars

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Speaker 2: Episode one, The Matrix, the Mummy and the Sixth Sense.

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Speaker 2: And then even by the time that we were in

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Speaker 2: And you know, I as years gone by, it have

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Speaker 1: As we'll get to, I think we we both have

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Speaker 1: of the Pod, David Long is a treky. My father

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as I've tunneled ever deeper into my

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Speaker 1: Your own insecurities.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well done, Yes, and so I understand the Trekkies

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Speaker 1: It's just a very sweet film. Yeah, I agree. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the astounding amount of sci fi references in

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Speaker 2: Here's everything you didn't know about Galaxy Quest. The story

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Speaker 2: of Galaxy Quest begins with a writer named David Howard,

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Speaker 1: your guy, it's spuck, yeah, do the thing with your hand, yeah. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Fawns in the seventies? Too short? No, he's too tall. Apparently.

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Speaker 1: other cast members. Do you know that the Livelong and

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Speaker 1: Prosper fingers is like a Jewish thing? No?

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Speaker 2: Black Emperor record, because some of those guys are Jewish.

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Speaker 1: of just blasting a bunch of actors in the space.

430
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: That's also true.

431
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: I also just I just love how like every everything

432
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: ends up in space. You know, Muppets in space. Well,

433
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: it's it's a joke with the horror and horror stuff.

434
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: And I think it actually originates with John Carpenter because

435
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: at some point somebody, as they constantly did, We're.

436
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you're gonna do another Halloween? What are you

437
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna What would you do for Halloween if you came

438
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: back and did Halloween? And at some point he was

439
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: just like cranky.

440
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: John Carpenter was just like, ah, send them to space

441
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: like exhales cigarette takes off his gaming headset for one second,

442
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: and it was like, ah, it's just like grabs any Yeah,

443
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: but no, he he made that a joke, and then

444
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 2: I think the first one that they actually did it

445
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: with was Pinhead.

446
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: There's a like the fourth.

447
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 2: I think hell Raiser movie is in space, and then

448
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: if I and then I think in short succession, Leprechaun

449
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: went to space after going to the after going to

450
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: the Hood. If anyone hasn't seen Leprechaun in the Hood,

451
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a treat.

452
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: It's a great entry into movies.

453
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: Canvas. Yes, yes, it's certainly a movie. And then Jason Jason.

454
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: Went to space.

455
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason, x uh, this is it's the tenth one.

456
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: It's I think that's also be his name in it

457
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: because he gets like upgraded. They like he gets like

458
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: a Nano suit. He gets like a Iron Man suit.

459
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: Starts. It's terrible.

460
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: It does have a hilarious like blink and you'll miss it.

461
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 2: Cameo from David Cronenberg, who just like pops in as

462
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: as like a random guy who gets like that random professor.

463
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, so going to space was a real concern

464
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: actually for a lot of concern.

465
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't.

466
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, what kind of a bit do you

467
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: have with Freddy Krueger singing please mister Kennedy from Inside

468
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: Lewin Davis.

469
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: That's a high concept.

470
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow yeah, just galaxy braining out with that one.

471
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 2: Please mister Kennedy, Older Space, that's movie.

472
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah the song isn't that really good too? Yeah? I

473
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: think it's God who wrote a lot. I was just

474
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: gonna ask you. Yeah, I don't think it was. I

475
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: was going to say, was it t Bone? No?

476
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: I don't think he's that much of a writer. He's

477
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: always credited as like curator.

478
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: Music.

479
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of it was just traditional T

480
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: Bone Burnett. Yeah, and Marcus Mumford.

481
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: How about that? Ah that makes sense?

482
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh okay, wait. Actually, the novelty song Please Mister Kennedy

483
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: appears to be a fourth generation derivative of the nineteen

484
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: sixty song Mister Custard about the Battle of Little Bighorn

485
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: Motown put out a please mister Kennedy. I don't want

486
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: to go, But that was about that was about Nam.

487
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: Wow. They were putting out protest songs about Nam before

488
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: the golf of talking. That is so funny. Wow, nineteen

489
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: sixty two there was another one another, So yeah, they

490
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: just took it.

491
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: They just took the bit and instead of making it

492
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: about Vietnam made it about going to space against your will.

493
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: Oh Man goats love him so much, so I gotta

494
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: say I feel bad for the original guy who came

495
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: up with this premise and wrote the first draft of

496
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: the script, David Howard, the starry eyed young man who

497
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: went west and worked at a telecom company and banged

498
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: out a script and actually had it fly all the

499
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: way up to CIA and then just get taken from

500
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: him and totally rewritten. But he's very optimistic. It seemed

501
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: to be too bitter about it, and it was quite funny.

502
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: He told IGN. I was there briefly in the beginning,

503
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: and I worked with them for a few weeks and

504
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: submitted some ideas, some of which did get fleshed out

505
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: and ended up in the final script. But a lot

506
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: of it is Robert Gordon's work too. I think he

507
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: did a terrific job. And asked how the film changed

508
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: from his first draft to the final product, sweet David

509
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: Howard said, diplomatically, the easiest way to answer that is

510
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: just by saying, it's the same guy's journey. My script

511
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: followed just the captain much more closely, where I was

512
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: focusing on the rest of the crew a lot of

513
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: that was Robert Gordon. I feel bad for him. Oh,

514
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: I think he's fine. I hope you God, did he

515
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: do anything else after this great question?

516
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: So this is where production got complicated in an early stage,

517
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: which is never a good sign. The producer Mark Johnson

518
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: had worked with this director named Dean Parasot before on

519
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: this largely forgotten Drew Barrymore project called Home Fries, which

520
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: was weirdly enough, written by Vince Gilligan when he was

521
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: at NYU. That's right, that's right, right, future.

522
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: X Files writer and Breaking Bad show runner Vince Gillian creator. Right,

523
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: he's created Breaking Bad, didn't he? Yeah?

524
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you know. Dean Parasat also

525
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: seems like a nice guy. So I was looking up

526
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: his career and I was like, why did this guy

527
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: get handed this movie? And what else hasn't he done?

528
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Then I found out he's married to Sally Menck, who.

529
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

530
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: Oh, she's like one of the most famous editors of

531
00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: this era of a film. Menke was Quentin Tarantino's Oh Shall.

532
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: We Die recently y ten Time Isn't Real.

533
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: She was nominated twenty five times for her editing for

534
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: various Awards and won twelve.

535
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: Wow.

536
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, so Dean Parasot was married to her, and

537
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: he had one Academy Award in nineteen eighty eight for

538
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: a short film called The Appointments of Dennis Jennings, which

539
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: was a collaboration with Stephen Wright, which I think is

540
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: really interesting during that brief era when when stand up

541
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: comics were everyone was just rating la for whatever stand

542
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: up comics they could find. That's how Sam Kinnison, I

543
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: was just gonna say.

544
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: Got a career.

545
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, he didn't do any other movies until Home Fries,

546
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: which was a solid ten years after winning this Academy award.

547
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: Anyway, no other movies, no more to movies, the movies.

548
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: So Mark Johnson won a Dean parasatt but DreamWorks was

549
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: understandably reluctant to handover. They were still kind of new

550
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: at this point. They were reluctant to hand over a

551
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: major production to guy who'd only done one feature film,

552
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: which was a flop. So Variety reported in November nineteen

553
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: ninety eight that legendary comedy director and actor Harold Ramis.

554
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Spoffos comedy actor and director.

555
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: Who was then he was then completing production on analyze this.

556
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: He was named for Galaxy Quest early on. I see that,

557
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: so Harold Ramis did not end up directing Galaxy Quest.

558
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: So what happened, Well, like a lot of things in life,

559
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 2: this was Tim Allen's fault. So sorry to piss off

560
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: anyone with an enormous attachment to buzz light Year or

561
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: home improvement or I guess the Santa Claus or the

562
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: remake of the Shaggy Da wasn't he didn't he also

563
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: do that?

564
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was that darn cat that he was

565
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: one of those. Yeah, Tim Allen sucks. Yeah, I think

566
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: we all accept that. I think that that's like, yeah,

567
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: that's not a hot take.

568
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: I would say, all right, great, but tells well Tim

569
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: Allen in fairness, he was born in Colorado, and his

570
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: mom moved to Michigan after his father died in a

571
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: car accident. He grew up in Detroit and eventually went

572
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: first to Central Michigan University and then Western Michigan, where

573
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: he met his first wife. But also while there, he

574
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: developed a coke addiction, and, like so many before him,

575
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: turned to dealing to fuel his habit.

576
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I started dejaying, vented soul forty five's

577
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: as I had to find out way to pay for him. Ooh,

578
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: that's a hard that's the hard stuff. First one's free.

579
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: But he was married to his first wife when he

580
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: became a coke rat. Yes, and they stayed married until

581
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. It's good for him. I guess

582
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: she's a better person than I am. So.

583
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: In October of nineteen seventy eight, two years after Alan graduated,

584
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: he was arrested at Kalamazoo Battle Creek International Airport in

585
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: Michigan in possession of more than six hundred and fifty

586
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: grams of cocaine.

587
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: I just want a visual about how much six hundred

588
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: and fifty grams of cocaine looks like? Well, don't they do?

589
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, so, if like your average bottle of coke

590
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: has like twenty eight grams of thirty whatever, how many

591
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: grams of sugar in it? And those are always registered

592
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: like rendered with like sugar cubes, right, imagine six hundred

593
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: and fifty sugar cubes.

594
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh wow, that is Yeah, that's a lot. That's

595
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: like a gallon size back. That's quite a lot.

596
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Tim Allen, Michigan had just passed a law

597
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 2: that issued a life sentence to those in possession of

598
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty grams are over war on drugs?

599
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: Actually no, that's it predates the War on drugs. Michigan

600
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: was just ahead of its time in draconian drug policy.

601
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: So they recently passed an ordinance or a law of

602
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: the exact amount that he was caring.

603
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: It is quite funny. And he also, I mean he was,

604
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: he was. It was like a full on sting operation.

605
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: Like he dealt he handed it over to an undercover cop.

606
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't just like he got flagged within his bag randomly.

607
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: So I mean, is that the Do you think they

608
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, bring this very precise amount. Yeah.

609
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: Tim Allen in particular, so, as documented in Allan's hilariously

610
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: titled biography by John F. Wukowitz called Tim Allen parentheses

611
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: Overcoming Adversity Parentheses Closed Old Timmy had been set up

612
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: by an undercover police officer named Michael Pifer, no relation

613
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: to Michelle, who had allegedly been tracking him for months.

614
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: Alan put an Adidas holdall full of cocaine in a

615
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: locker and handed the key to Pifer. The next thing

616
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: I observed was a gun in my face. Alan later

617
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: told the Detroit Free Press. Alan had been told he'd

618
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: be getting a cool forty two thousand for the trafficking,

619
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: but was now facing a possible life sentence, so naturally

620
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: he tucked his little tail between his legs and started

621
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 2: ratting people out. Now, the pigs obviously loved this, and

622
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: Alan was sentenced at a federal court rather than a

623
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: state one, meaning the newly passed law no longer applied

624
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: to his case. Ultimately, since to three to seven years,

625
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: he served only two years and four months, probably because

626
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: his information quote helped authorities indict twenty people in the

627
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: drug trade and resulted in the conviction and sentencing of

628
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: four major drug dealers.

629
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: It's insane to think that Tim Allen did years of

630
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: prison time, Like I know, that's nowhere near what it

631
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: could have been, and it didn't humble him in the slightest.

632
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: He just came out still being like I'm great, I'm

633
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: Tim Allen. Yeah, And so that segues into my next point.

634
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: It does not seem like he became a nicer man

635
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: from there. Pamela Anderson's memoir Love Pamela, she notes that

636
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Alan flashed her on the set of Home improvement when

637
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: she was twenty three years old, claiming he said it

638
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: was only fair because he had seen me naked and

639
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: now we were even.

640
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't understand the flashing desire, the exhibitionist desire, I

641
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: should say, ask Luis k Man. I, oh yeah.

642
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Barry Sonenfelder called an incident on the set of Big

643
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: Trouble when not Big Trouble in Little China.

644
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: The it was in Trouble at the pad of a

645
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: Dave Barry book, I believe.

646
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is the one that was like it

647
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: was like about bombing an airplane nine to.

648
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: Eleven, got right before an eleven. Yeah.

649
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: So Tim Allen met co star his co star in

650
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: that movie, Renee Russo, for the first time, and Barry

651
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: Sonenfeld was like, Okay, you guys need to act like

652
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: your your direction in this scene is that you have

653
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: instant burning chemistry, Tim, In other words, you are attracted

654
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: to Renee Russo. And Tim Allen pushed back and said,

655
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: why would I be, and Sonenfeld explained that this was

656
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: a movie and that Alan's job was to act, and

657
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Alan retorted acting darling, yeah, And Alan retorted I'm not

658
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: attracted to her, and Russo tried to play it off

659
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: by joking, I'll act attractive, Tim, I promise that's good

660
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: in what Sonenfeld described.

661
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: As a Marilyn Monroe voice. But Alan, but Alan.

662
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: Declared it's hard to act attracted to someone if they're

663
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: not attractive. Sounenfeld got frustrated and said, you're an actor, Tim,

664
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: just act like you're attracted to one of the most

665
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: beautiful women in the world. Okay, And all Alan could

666
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: muster was I'll try or I'm sorry. And all Alan

667
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: could muster was I can try like he's a prize.

668
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: You see that mugshot with that mustache.

669
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: He looks like a non union John Holmes. Wow, yes Yes.

670
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: More recently, Casey Wilson claimed that Tim was fining rude

671
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: to her and other cast and crew members on the

672
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: set of Disney Pluses the Santa Clauses, which I'm just

673
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: now learning existed. Tim Allen was such a bitch. It

674
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: was the truly single worst experience I've ever had with

675
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: a co star, she said on a December twenty twenty

676
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: three episode of her podcast. Never made eye contact, never

677
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: said anything. It was so uncomfortable. It's the end of shooting,

678
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: and Tim Allen goes leaving, takes his Santa Cape, takes

679
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: his Santa Cape, picks it up and drops it on

680
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: the floor and walks out, and they hustle in his

681
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: stand in a lovely man who is much nicer to

682
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: act against. And she continued, I will not say who

683
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: said this. This was someone that I do not know,

684
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: perhaps in the crew. They breezed past me and just

685
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: go you're seeing him on a good day.

686
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: Picturing him as like James Brown taking his cape off,

687
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: just like dropping it on the floor leaving. Yeah, so

688
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to end every episode now from now. Yeah,

689
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: it's a good bit. Uh.

690
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: And as you may not be surprised to learn given

691
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: that his Network TV show, which is like has went

692
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: for like ten or eleven season, may actually is it

693
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: still on the air?

694
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: I you know, he's in a new show with Kat

695
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: Denning's man Standing, So I don't think he's in two

696
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: sitcombs at the same time. Maybe wouldn't put it past me.

697
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: He seems to have like that same like weird like

698
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: Jay Leno level work ethic. Wow twenty eleven to twenty

699
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: twenty one.

700
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: Jesus, anyway, that show was like just Tim Allen wondering

701
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: around going.

702
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: Black people have rights. God, I hate him so much.

703
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's basically leaning into the whole like

704
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: republicans of the really oppressed ones.

705
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: He are like the punk rockers of today. Oh my god,

706
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: don't get me started on that one. I think it

707
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: was to Kimmel or Fallon. He was.

708
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: He said being Republican in Hollywood was like being in

709
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties Germany. Just I mean, what do you say

710
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: to that?

711
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Right? No, it's not, Tim, It's just such.

712
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: A testament to like, I don't be a late night

713
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: show must suck at least one where you're like under

714
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: mandate to be nice to these people.

715
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I can say to that. Okay, Tim, cut to commercial,

716
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: Like what you want to do some karaoke? Tim? Okay,

717
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: Well here, let's let's move on to somebody that I know.

718
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: You love. Kevin Kline. You love Kevin Klin, I love Yeah.

719
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Klein was actually original Galaxy Quest writer David Howard's

720
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: first choice to play the Shatner Captain Kirk Anna role

721
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Jason Nesmith. He would have been great, yeah, and knocked

722
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: it out of the park. He plays in the show

723
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: within the movie, Commander Peter Quincy Taggart, and that is

724
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: a monkey's reference. Actually, wait, so the actor who plays

725
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: the Gouxy Quest captain of the movie, the name is

726
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: Jason Nesmyth. That is a reference to Mike Nest. Yeah,

727
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: they did, they did.

728
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: There's like seventeen layers of name references for most of

729
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: these characters, like Peter Quince. Even the fact that he's

730
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: middle of the fictional character's name is Quincy is a

731
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: reference to something.

732
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh Quin's from Midsummer Night stream right, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

733
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: but I don't why is it being referenced because it's fun?

734
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so it's what it's what we called an

735
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: easter egg in the industry.

736
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, read the trades. God, it's like, you

737
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: don't even know what boffo is. Does the word boffo

738
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: mean nothing to you anymore? I just imagine a very heated,

739
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: uh conversation in the in the variety like masthead room,

740
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: just like when.

741
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: We say something's boffo, that that used to mean something.

742
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: Get out of my newsroom. This is I think maybe

743
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: the fourth episode we referenced boffo. We need it's like

744
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: a sound like a ding or something. People. Yeah, no,

745
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: uh so, okay. Kevin Kline was pretty much everybody's first

746
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: choice for the Tim Allen roll. The original writer David

747
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: Howard wanted it to be Kevin Klin. Original director Harold

748
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: Ramis wanted Kevin Kline or Steve Martin or Alec Baldwin.

749
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: All could actually those are really good, right, possibly a

750
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: better movie. It's part of it is Tim Allen's unlikeability

751
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: works for him in this, which is kind of exactly

752
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: in thirty Rock is the same deal.

753
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I mean, uh, wouldn't have been coming

754
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: off Glengarry gunn Ross, but like that was one of

755
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 2: the things I think he would have like that Hunt

756
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: for Red October would have been like his big things

757
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: at this point when this was getting developed, right, yeah, oh,

758
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: how for Red October I think it.

759
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Was like ninety and then Glengarry glen Ross I think

760
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: was like ninety three. But yeah, so you're right, mid

761
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: mid nineties. But Disney insisted on Tim Allen, and Harold

762
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: Ramis was so against this that he dropped out of

763
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: the project and directed so much respect yeah I know,

764
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: and director Dean Parasawt took the reins within three weeks.

765
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: Although Harold Ramis later backpeddaled. He admitted that he was

766
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: wrong for dropping out, and so that Tim Allen had

767
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: been great in the part. Tim Allen was great at

768
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: playing a dick was how I choose to read that.

769
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: Tim Allen recalled the frostiness from Harold Ramis in an

770
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: interview with The Hollywood Reporter in twenty nineteen. He said,

771
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: I had a very peculiar lunch with Enemy of This

772
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: Pod Jeffrey Katzenberg and Harold Ramis. Katzenburg pitched me the

773
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: idea of the and her character in Galaxy Quest, and

774
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: then they started talking and it became clear that Ramis

775
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: didn't see me for the part. It was pretty uncomfortable.

776
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine Harold ram Is being that like

777
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: assertive or petty. But good for him, I guess, oh,

778
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: come on petty.

779
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, with his thing with with Bill Murray. Yeah

780
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: that's true, although I mean he was kind of mostly

781
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the victim in that, I would say, but still.

782
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to relitigate that now. No, No,

783
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: that's so sad, so so so sad. Check out our

784
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Groundhog Day episode for more sadness.

785
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, despite it being very apparent that at

786
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: at least several high ranking members of the production didn't

787
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: want him there. Tim Allen was very jazzed about this

788
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: because he saw the role in Galaxy Quest as a

789
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: prime way for him to break into the sci fi genre,

790
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: and he ultimately chose Galaxy Quest over another movie he

791
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: was up for, bi Centennial Man. He chose wisely. Yeah.

792
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: Robin William went on to star in that. It's the

793
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: one where he's like a household robot who lives for

794
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: and then he opts for mortality.

795
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: He becomes Forrest Gump, right like he basically just like

796
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: lives through hundreds and hundreds of years of US history

797
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: while still maintaining the characteristic twinkle in.

798
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: His eye we all loved so much. But then there's

799
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: in the opt to like die at the end because he's, oh, probably,

800
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he's just like, life isn't life

801
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: if it's just indefinite something like that. That's a good line.

802
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: Go with that. That's a gry That's a really good line.

803
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm proud of that. I've had a lot. I haven't

804
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: slept much this week's folks, So I'm on like so

805
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: much coffee right now. I've been pitching a lot. I've

806
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: been because as soon as we wrap this, I'm gonna

807
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: desperately try to finish Great Gatsby Part two. Sorry, folks,

808
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: I know, Sorry, it's late. I have the bottleneck. I know.

809
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: I've apologized to several friends of the pod about that,

810
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: to mention that this was a reader request through.

811
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, give us money and we'll consider your

812
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: podcast was a good pitch.

813
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: We've fund a lot of great calls. Yeah, I haven't

814
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: done all of them, so there was a lot of them.

815
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: We'll get to them. Probably. Of his love of science fiction,

816
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: Tim Allen told Starbus magazine, I love science fiction. It's

817
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: my favorite thing, is it. Well, now that Cocaine's off

818
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: the table, maybe wo Galaxy Quest was a baby step

819
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: for me. I like other scripts that are a bit

820
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: more serious, but I'm doing this first. It's really funny

821
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: right up front, then gets more serious technically. It isn't

822
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: what I would want, which would be a Larry Nivens

823
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I don't know who that is. It

824
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: isn't right on, but it's a Saturday afternoon Star Trek

825
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: Deep Space nine kind of dramatic science fiction. I don't

826
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: know what the Saturday Afternoon thing is I don't know

827
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: that escapes my ken. Accordingly, Tim Allen didn't base his

828
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: performance on anything from science fiction, he said, but I

829
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: was in that captain's chair. I was not mimicking William

830
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: Shatton there with whom I'm now friends because of this movie.

831
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: He told them TV News. But I like the way

832
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: Yule Brenner sat in his throne in The Ten Commandments.

833
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: I worked off that. I studied that well.

834
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: I rented the tape, So, I mean, you know, he's

835
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: some of his quotes are funny and self effacing, but

836
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: I also do believe that he uh, that's what that

837
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: was the sole bit of research he did for this.

838
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: It's funny hearing him position himself as a sci fi

839
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: fan when like the closest he'd done was buzz light Year.

840
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: No, that was later, Oh no, you're right, ninety five

841
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: was Toy Story, right, Yeah? Yeah, So I don't know,

842
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: why were you lying about that, Tim app Why would

843
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: you lie? Tim Allan?

844
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: In Hollywood, of all places, Alan was his usual self

845
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 2: On the set. He annoyed Sigourney Weaver constantly to sign

846
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: some piece of the alien set, to the point where

847
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: when she actually did it she signed it stolen by

848
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: Tim Allen love Sigourney Weaver.

849
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: He was so upset. Weaver recalled he said, why would

850
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: you write that?

851
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: I was gonna put it my screening room, ah, which

852
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: was such a Hollywood thing to say. In the Oral History,

853
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: Allen's next comment is, she never asked me to sign anything.

854
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: She doesn't care. And it just continues. The cas went

855
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: to a twentieth anniversary screening of Alien, and when Sagourney

856
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: Weaver is stripped down to a bronz panties in the

857
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: final scene, Tim Allan yelled yeah baby in the theater,

858
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 2: to which Sam Rockwell recalled in the Oral History, Tim

859
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: really liked saying yeah baby. Case in point, Justin Long

860
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: went to see Deep Blue Sea with Tim Allen, Sam Rockwell,

861
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: and Philip Seymour Hoffman, in which was must have been

862
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: just a delightful evening, Sons, Tim Allen, And when Samuel

863
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 2: Jackson's character dies in that film spoilers, Justin Long said

864
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: Tim went into a whole routine in the theater. Also

865
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: from Tim Allen himself, I was really rude to Justin

866
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: Long when I first met him. Pretty much everyone remembers

867
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: Alan not really having an off button on. Tony Shallhoub

868
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: dryly noted a lot of fart jokes with Tim. Some

869
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: weren't jokes, some were actually farts. But the person Alan.

870
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Off in the middle distance.

871
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, The person that Alan rankled the most was the

872
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: dear departed Alan Rickman.

873
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Oh, that's unforgivable. It is.

874
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: Tim Allen used to kick the door open to the

875
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: makeup trailer. He wrote in his now published diary. We

876
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: would all be lined up and he would say number

877
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: one is here. Sam Rockwell confirmed this MTV. If the

878
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: chairs were taken, Tim would shout, that's fine, I'm first

879
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: on the call sheet, but I'll go take a walk

880
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: and come back when you're ready. However, the most famous

881
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: quote concerning Tim Allen in Alan Rickman's diary is this,

882
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: Tim Allen has this perverse need to needle, antagonize, provoke, demoralize,

883
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: takes every opportunity to belittle. That's a nice thing to

884
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: write about someone. Darryl Chill Mitchell, who played the ship's pilot,

885
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: told the Hollywood Reporter Tim would go on a ten

886
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: minute rant, and I would look at Alan Rickman and

887
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: God bless him. He was by the letter. Even though

888
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: it was a comedy. Alan Rickman approached that movie like

889
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: any drama.

890
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: That's where the best comedy comes from.

891
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: Peter do that too, playing it straight. Michael Caine him

892
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: up at Christmas Carol.

893
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well no, that's too far. Hurt But it's

894
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: not funny. I mean, it's that just hurts. But he

895
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: played it straight, and that's what's so great. Well yeah,

896
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: but no, But but comedy is funny when the person

897
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: all the stuff's happening to is like treating it very seriously.

898
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: It's Steve Martin, It's Peter Sellers as in SPECTACLEU. So no,

899
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: Michael Kin and him up as Christmas Carol is just devastating.

900
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it's Michael Kaine when he goes.

901
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I live in constant because because you very sweetly gave

902
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: me one of my prize possessions, which is a signed

903
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: it by ten glossy of Michael Kaine, which is on

904
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: the front door to my apartment. So every time I

905
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: come and go, I see it, and I'm confronted every

906
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: day with the thought of I'm confronting Michael Kaine's mortality

907
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: every day.

908
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: It bothers me. I'm sorry speaking me. I feel a

909
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: lot of feelings I don't.

910
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: Like like them up. It's Christmas, Carol, after all, there's

911
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: only one more sleep till Christmas. Bay, there's your Kermit.

912
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Nice. It's Stewie the other night. Yeah,

913
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: come talk to me sometimes, sweetheart. I know what it

914
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: takes to be cool. Sleep deprivation looks good on you.

915
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: That's a lot of caffeine. I actually feel like happier

916
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: and more powerful than I have in the months sexually.

917
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: So Mitchell continued. They would call action four times and

918
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: we didn't hear because we were laughing so hard, and

919
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: Alan would be looking at us like really, man, Tim

920
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: and I would do this dumb thing where we'd just

921
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: say I am Spartacus all the time, Mitchell continued. One

922
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: day out of nowhere, Alan Rickman went Spartacus and we

923
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: all laughed big time. But then Tim went for another

924
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: ten minutes, and you could tell that Alan was regretting

925
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: that choice.

926
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: God like just such a fee. Moments like this, you

927
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: remember that he got his start and stand because he

928
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: just always.

929
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: Has to like top it, yep, yep, the desperate, sad

930
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: thirst of a stand up comedian. Obviously, Rickman is not around,

931
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: having died in twenty sixteen to give his side of this,

932
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: but he was enough of a professional that he never

933
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: really said anything about Alan in public, and according to

934
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: Alan anyway, apologized for his standoffishness. Alan wrote in The

935
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: Hollwood Reporter when Rickman died, I don't think Alan liked

936
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: me all that much. When we first started shooting Galaxy Quest,

937
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: I was a stage performer, a concert comic, and I

938
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: was coming into this group of very polished lesbians, Sigourney

939
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: Weaver and Sam Rockwell and Tony Shelhube and then Alan

940
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: adding his English roots. All of them had this process

941
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: and method, voice stretching and all that kind of prep,

942
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: and it was so different from mine. I was doing

943
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: Penis jokes right up to action. That's a tremendous Pool quote.

944
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: But then one day on set Alan came to me

945
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: and apologized. He said he mistook my behavior for lack

946
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: of commitment.

947
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I just want to say, Hi, Tim, this actor you

948
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: worked with dog, what are some memories and thoughts you

949
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: have of working with them? He was not that great

950
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: to me, and then apologized, Yeah, like I'm gonna use it.

951
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use the death of this beloved actor to

952
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: sanitize my own reputation.

953
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: Real class act there, Timmy.

954
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm gonna close with one of my absolute favorite

955
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: Alan Rickman stories of all time.

956
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah uh. Director Dean Parasot recalled.

957
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: That after one emotional take, he said, quote, I turned

958
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: back and Tim is just completely emotional. He says, yeah,

959
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like these feelings I'm having. I'd

960
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: like to go back to the trailer. And Alan Rickman said,

961
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think you just experienced acting.

962
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

963
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: Oh man, man, I think you just experienced I don't

964
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: like these feelings I'm having.

965
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to come out Dullard. Oh God love him.

966
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

967
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment. Wow,

968
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: Harold Ramis had already established a dictat. You write, what

969
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: is a dictat? Like an edict or an edict? Okay,

970
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: Harold Ramis had already established an edict that, in order

971
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: to be considered for Galaxy Quest, actors couldn't have started

972
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: anything sci fi or fantasy related up to that point.

973
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I like that. But but Sigourney Weaver, she told Starbarus

974
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: magazine in two thousand. I had heard about this movie

975
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: and I asked my agent about it. He told me

976
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: that they didn't want anyone from science fiction in the movie,

977
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: only science fiction virgins, as it were. I said, that's silly,

978
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: because if anyone can spoof science fiction, surely it's me. Then,

979
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: to my surprise, I was offered the part. I love

980
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: Sigourney Weaver. You know she There's a footage of her

981
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: as like a twelve year old Beatles fan in the

982
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: crowd at the Beatles Hollywood Bowl concert in nineteen sixty four.

983
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I love her for other reasons too, but I especially

984
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: love that there's your Beatles reference for the episode of

985
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Folksing Boffo is now rivaling Beatles for references in The Lord. Yeah. Yeah,

986
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: Sigourney Weaver played the actress Gwen DeMarco in the movie.

987
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: In the movie, and DeMarco plays Lieutenant Tawny Madison in

988
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: the show within a show Galaxy Quest, and it's a

989
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: movie long riff on women's underserved role in the sci

990
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: fi genre.

991
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a nod to that when Weaver as Gwen

992
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: lampshades the fact that her character basically just repeats information

993
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: that the computer already spits out a protracted gag for

994
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: the computers, just saying things, and she just goes it's malfunctioning,

995
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: and she's, look, I have one job in this lousy ship.

996
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: It's stupid, but I'm gonna do it. We've were elaborated

997
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: to MTV News explaining it's funny considering my backgrounds, you know,

998
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: Alien and everything. But I was never into science fiction.

999
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: I like the Twilight Zone. That's about as close as

1000
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I got. I thought Flash Gordon was stupid. I think

1001
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: Star Trek happened and I missed it. I was in

1002
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: the theater, and then suddenly I did Alien. Suddenly I

1003
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: was straddling two very different worlds. But I just felt

1004
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Galaxy Quest as a comedy with such a love letter

1005
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: to all the insecure actors in the field who had

1006
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: done so many wonderful and somewhat underappreciated projects. You know,

1007
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: that's really what this is about. It's a movie about

1008
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: actors who are worried what what their legacy.

1009
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: Is and fans. I mean, really appreciate thing about this

1010
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: movie is that it hits like this crazy intersection of

1011
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: actor and fan that was like in place with the Trickies,

1012
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 2: but just there's no like the whole I mean whatever,

1013
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: I'll get to it in the end. Shut up, shut up,

1014
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: all of you. Let me breathe for just a second.

1015
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Night after night up here, up and down the court,

1016
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: carrying your ass.

1017
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: So the character's blonde wig and prominent cleavage were Weavers choices.

1018
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: The first thing I said to Dean was that Lieutenant

1019
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: Tawny Madison had to be blonde and she had to

1020
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: have big boobs. Ever, totally Hollywood reporter. I love Tawny

1021
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: from the first moment I read the part. To me,

1022
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: she was what a lot of women feel like, including myself,

1023
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: in a Hollywood situation. There's a couple of things that

1024
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: might have gone into the conception of this character. One

1025
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: is Aaron Gray, who played Colonel Wilma Deering in these

1026
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: short lived buck Rogers in the twenty fifth century series

1027
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: from like the late seventies. I think she later went

1028
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: on to be in Silver Spoons, but she was a

1029
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: natural burnette who has dyed to a blonde in the show,

1030
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: and she was often clad in skin tight uniforms.

1031
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: I think Actually, let me check one second, because when

1032
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: did Deep Space nine start? Ooh, I want to say

1033
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: ninety four it'll be amazing if I got that ninety

1034
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: three to ninety Oh it ended in nineteen ninety nine.

1035
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: So what's her name? Seven of nine? Jerry Ryan. Yeah,

1036
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: she was not in this. Wait, she might have been

1037
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: a voyager, So this is we're having a trecky father.

1038
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, Jerry Ryan is a voyager. So yeah,

1039
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: nine the character seven and nine as a voyager, right.

1040
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's either the Buck Rogers riff

1041
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: or it's on about it's kind of on Jerry Ryan,

1042
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: who had been in Star Trek Voyager for two years

1043
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: at this point, ninety seven that launched. There's a reference

1044
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: for Sigourney Reaver when she goes. My TV Guide interview

1045
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: was forty minutes about asking how my boobs fit into

1046
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: this costume? And I will point out at one point

1047
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: that Scarlett Johansson in one of the like an Avengers interview,

1048
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: was like asked about like, oh, what exercises did you

1049
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: do to fit into the suit, and she's like she

1050
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: pointed caught out the journey. She was like, you asked

1051
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: them about their character preparation and like what they what

1052
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: they enjoyed about this, and you asked me about my

1053
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: suit anyway. I think that line could also be a

1054
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: reference to like, I believe there was an interview where

1055
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: Jerry Ryan like the interview was just very creepily asking about, like,

1056
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: how did she fit in the suit anyway. H Weaver

1057
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: would often leave the set still wearing her prosthetic breasts

1058
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: and blonde wig. Sam Rockwell said Sigourney changed with that wig,

1059
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: and Rickman added I remember Sigourney walking around saying she

1060
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: was experience a whole new world with the blonde wig.

1061
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: We were confirmed that to MTV, saying blondes definitely have

1062
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: more fun. I loved being a starlet. I miss my breasts,

1063
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: I missed my blonde hair, I missed my insecurity. And

1064
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: she kept the wig after filming wrapped.

1065
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: Huh. That's an interesting insight into Sigournny reavers Psyche. Yeah,

1066
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: we got to talk more about dear Sweet Alan Rickman,

1067
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: who plays the actor Alexander Dane, a serious thesb in

1068
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: a Man of the theater. Huh. Trapped in the role

1069
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: of doctor Lazarus, the film's spock stand in. We'll get

1070
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: into how productions strenuously avoided any possible grounds for legal

1071
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: action by star Trek A little later on Rick mattld

1072
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: MTV about his role. There were all these different layers

1073
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: with these characters. It's such a great acting challenge. You're

1074
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: only as good as the script. Though. Really he did

1075
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: mention on the DVD commentary about the film that quote,

1076
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: I did grow up, as it were, inside the Royal

1077
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: Shakespeare Company and other similar environments, so I know what

1078
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: my character was going through on some level. I remember

1079
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: when Sigourney and I were sitting at the autograph table

1080
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: the convention and saying this is a bit too close

1081
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: for comfort. There were constant images and moments where you

1082
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: just sort of thought, I have lived this. Funnily enough,

1083
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: Rickman saw that his character had made a night in

1084
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: the script, or an early version of the script, i

1085
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: should say, and he felt that that rang false, which

1086
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: is why it's not mentioned in the film, though it

1087
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: appears in the final credits. It's a testament to his

1088
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: commitment that one of the film's defining lines, by gabthers

1089
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: hammer grab thar excuse me by grab thars hammer was

1090
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: originally a temp line, just a dumb riff on Thor's hammer,

1091
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: but apparently he just committed so hard to the bit

1092
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: and it absolutely killed the table reads and by the

1093
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: time the crew had made homemade T shirts with the

1094
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: line it was too late to make a change.

1095
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 2: That's when you know something's locked in when the crew

1096
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: is made there, when they made the cruise shirts.

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00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: That's all. I'd love a coffee table book on like

1098
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 1: cruise shirts from famous movies. That'd be great.

1099
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the most famous one is

1100
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: the is the Alien one or a blade Runner or

1101
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: Alien blade Runner? Yeah, the Blade Runner and the American

1102
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: crew was in open revolt against Redley Scott. The famous

1103
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: Yes Governor T shirts inspired by an interview where really

1104
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: Scott described the difference between working with Americans and working

1105
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: with British people wise just the British will often and

1106
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: just accept directives with yes Govna that story.

1107
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: We told that story him probably like fifty percent of

1108
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: the TI episodes. I love it so dearly.

1109
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: There were a couple of rehearsals where we rewrote some

1110
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: things sitting around the table, Sam Rockwell said to the

1111
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: Hollywood reporter Alan Rickman was very instrumental in making sure

1112
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: the script hit the right dramatic notes. Everything had a

1113
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: strong logic and reason behind it. He wanted the grab

1114
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: Thar's hammer moment to be set up perfectly so it

1115
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: had a motion when he delivered it to Patrick Breen,

1116
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: who was a fantastic actor. Rickman even worked with iconic

1117
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: effects and makeup wizard Stan Winston on his character's prosthetic

1118
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: head cap that he wears constantly. He said, I thought

1119
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: it was important to be good enough to convince the

1120
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: aliens who believed were the real thing, Rickman told Starburst,

1121
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: but also cheesy enough to imagine that it was something

1122
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: he applied himself a good So when we were watching this,

1123
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: Low was like, why would he keep it on overnight?

1124
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: And that was actually something that Alan Rickman said. He

1125
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: was like, he reasoned that this character, that this actor

1126
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: would like not want to reapply it two days in

1127
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: a row, and since they had two back to back appearances,

1128
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: one at the convention and one at the store opening,

1129
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: that he would have just kept it all overnight.

1130
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Great stuff. Yes, speaking of catchphrases, the never give Up,

1131
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: Never Surrender was writer Robert Gordon's work. He's the second

1132
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: guy who came on to write the script. He said

1133
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: it came from Winston Churchill via a super Tramp song

1134
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: because I was a huge super tramp fan, which is

1135
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: not something you hear being admitted as such. Nope, I mean,

1136
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: there's all. It's also the one that I remember it

1137
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: from is it's in uh.

1138
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: I think Iron Maiden uses that speech that we shall

1139
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: fight them on the beaches in as like a live

1140
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: introt to Aces High, which is one of their best songs.

1141
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: It's in a Kink song on Arthur the Rise and

1142
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: Fall of the Decline and Fall the British Empire. Mister

1143
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: Churchill says, I think the para we shall fight them

1144
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: on the beach is never on the course of human conflict.

1145
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Has so much been owed to so few, And we'll

1146
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: make our British Empire a greater place for me and you,

1147
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: and this is our finest hour something like that narrator voice.

1148
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: It did not, it was not. Yeah, the sun eventually

1149
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: set on the British Empire after a long, painful decline.

1150
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: I love the British I know you.

1151
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: Do, I mean, but it is funny like I mean,

1152
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: you know, they were devastated by World War Two and

1153
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 2: then went into a protracted depression so.

1154
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: Like from which they've not really emerged. Yeah. So Churchill

1155
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: was wrong.

1156
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: Not the first time I've said that unsurprisingly, Yeah, well

1157
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,959
Speaker 2: you know what, Winston, You're dead, so it's gonna say

1158
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: checkmate me my favorite.

1159
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: We talked about the in one of the many episodes

1160
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: talked about Orson Wells. Did I ever tell you that

1161
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: the Orson Wells Winston Churchill story, I don't think so. No.

1162
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I love this is very cute. So Orson Wills for

1163
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: reasons that I really sort of don't remember. As a

1164
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: very young man ran in I think as he was

1165
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: such a respected man of the theater that he ran

1166
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: in circles of like incredibly powerful men, one of whom

1167
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: was Winston Churchill. And I think Churchill had seen him

1168
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: act in one of the many Shakespearean plays he was in,

1169
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: and he Churchill came backstage and visited him, and they

1170
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: were a little better than nodding level acquaintances, but they

1171
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: weren't friends, but they were, you know. And so in

1172
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: the fifties, when Orson Wells was kind of on the

1173
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: outs with the studios and was really struggling to get

1174
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: his projects made, he was like having to go court

1175
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: wealthy businessman himself to try to raise money for these projects.

1176
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: And he was taking some kind of Russian oligarch to

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: a white Russian, as he would make the distinction to

1178
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: a white meaning not red like white meaning like Azaris Russian,

1179
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: not a communist. And it took him to lunch and

1180
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: Churchill happened to be there, and so they walked in

1181
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 1: Warson Wells with this Russian guy and Churchill like yeah,

1182
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: and the Russian guy flipped out and I was like,

1183
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know Churchill acknowledged you, and oh

1184
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: my goodness, you are clearly a man. Yeah. And so

1185
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: the next day whatever resort they were staying at, Orson

1186
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: Wells was swimming in the water in the surf and

1187
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: Churchill happens to be swimming nearby, so he swims over

1188
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: to Doggie paddles over to Winston Churchill. He's an enormous man,

1189
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: bobbing bobbing, and or someone else goes, you know, mister Churchill,

1190
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: I just want you to know what you did for me.

1191
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: That was really helpful, and he kind of explained. And

1192
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: then the next day Orson walks back into the restaurant

1193
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: with another guy that he's trying to get to give

1194
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: him money, and Winston Churchill was also there, and Churchill

1195
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: sees Orson walk in with this financier, and Churchill stands

1196
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: up and just does a deep bow. That's got his money. Yeah,

1197
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: that's uh.

1198
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean my favorite calling someone over to the table

1199
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: story of all time is Frank Sinatra and Don Rickles.

1200
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I told that before. Okay, no, please

1201
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: tell so Rickles, Uh, Rickles is that doing? You know?

1202
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: He and Frank knew each other from just doing these

1203
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: these the Vegas Hotel and the Vegas gigs. So he

1204
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: at one point, uh knows that Frank is going to

1205
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: be at the same restaurant with him or whatever, and

1206
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: he's like, Frank, you know I could I got these

1207
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: two girls with me and and and it would be

1208
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: a you know, you would be doing me a favor

1209
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: if you could come over and say hi to the table,

1210
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: you know, and and and that would really go a

1211
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: long way for me. And Frank, eager to oblige him,

1212
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: later on, approaches the table and he goes to, you know,

1213
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: introduce himself, like, I'm Frank Sinatra. By the way, you know,

1214
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: Don Rickles is a great friend of mine. And before

1215
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: he gets a word out, Don rickleses not now, Frank,

1216
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: please meeting I classic bit great stuff. Great Stuff's Quest

1217
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: has a deep bench of ensemble actors. Hube auditioned for

1218
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: the role that eventually went to Sam Rockwell, and we

1219
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: will get to Sam, but he was cast as Fred

1220
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: Kwan actor Fred Kwan, and Sloop called parasot, I'm not

1221
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: going to play an Asian guy, but I got I'll

1222
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: play a guy that plays an Asian And so the

1223
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: role evolved into a riff on late not enthusiast David

1224
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: Carradine's role in Kung Fu and the mid century habit

1225
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: of casting white dudes to play characters of Asian descent.

1226
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: Who else is in that white dudes playing guys of

1227
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: Asian descent?

1228
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, Mickey Rooney and Breakfast Tiffany's.

1229
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: Also famously, Genghis Khan was played by John Wayne and

1230
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: yellow Face.

1231
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: And wasn't there a Marlon Brando movie that was a

1232
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: Mexican movie? Well?

1233
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's actually funny bringing up Hoarson Welles

1234
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: because you know, famously Charlton Heston in brown Face in

1235
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 2: Touch of Evil, right, right, And it's really funny because

1236
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: I was actually I did not connect these thoughts previously,

1237
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: but I'm going to there's a there's a restoration of

1238
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: Touch of Evil that I'm going to next week. And

1239
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: in just like googling around, do you remember Robert Rodriguez

1240
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: once upon a Time in Mexico?

1241
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: No, I mean I know of it that I don't.

1242
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So Willem Dafoe is in that movie as

1243
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: like a cartel leader, and he is in brown face,

1244
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: and I want to say, it's a nod to Charton

1245
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: Heston's brown face because they look almost at He gave

1246
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: him the same mustache and they look almost identical.

1247
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: Yes, Hollywood, super racist.

1248
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, Tony brought up David Carridine and Kung Fu Dean

1249
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 2: Paraso Tolt MTV, and the story goes, I don't know

1250
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: if it's true that David Carridine was just completely stoned

1251
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: all the time on that show. Dialogue would just come

1252
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: out of his head and people would just stare at

1253
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 2: each other and think where did that come from? So

1254
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: we knew we couldn't do a stoner because we need

1255
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: to hit a PG. Thirteen, But we basically suggested that.

1256
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: Tony Shelleh continued, I'd heard Carrodine was high the entire time,

1257
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: and whether it was true or not, we used it

1258
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: as a jumping off point for Fred Kwan. It's nineteen

1259
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: ninety nine, fifteen years after the Galaxy Quest TV series ended,

1260
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: and Fred Kwan is just a burnout with one foot

1261
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: outside reality, and that's why he's just he's just completely

1262
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: unfazed by everything that happens in the movie.

1263
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: He like shows up later, like for the teleportal, he's

1264
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: the last one there, and he's like, he's like wow, wow, guys,

1265
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: and he's like the only guy that goes along with

1266
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: Tim Allen's like, must you the space ship and he's

1267
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, everyone else just like what.

1268
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: The other nod that Shell who made of this was

1269
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: his character's habit of always having his own snacks with

1270
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: him in a brown paper bag. Paris Hunt said, there's

1271
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: a lot more of Tony eating with the munchies out

1272
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: of that paper bag that we had to cut. He's

1273
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: the tech guy. You might think he would be into

1274
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: gadgets and devices, but instead he just carries around this

1275
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: large paper bag with his snacks. And funnily enough, we

1276
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: actually have the goat Steven Spielberg to thank for the

1277
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: subplot with Shell Hub and Missy Pile's alien character.

1278
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: Missy Pile was cast relatively late.

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Speaker 2: Production was finding a hard time casting a female who

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Speaker 2: could match the alien a female. When I say that

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Speaker 2: a female, Pile was cast relatively late, as production was

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Speaker 2: finding hard time casting a woman who could match the

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Speaker 2: alien performances given by Enrico Cole and Toni Rain Wilson

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Speaker 2: and Jed Rees. Casting agent Debra Zane showed Pile the

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Speaker 2: first minute of Rees's audition, and she said, Missy saw

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Speaker 2: it and got it immediately. Zane continued to Backstage dot Com,

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Speaker 2: she was so great that when I sent the audition

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Speaker 2: tape to Dean Parasat on her picture and resume, I

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Speaker 2: put a little post it that said, well, I actually

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Speaker 2: made a xerox copy of my Casting Society of America

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Speaker 2: membership card I said, if this is not Laliari, I

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Speaker 2: will resign from the CSA. Apparently Missy Piles up against

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Coolidge for this, so this.

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Speaker 1: Would have been the same year that she was Stiffler's

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Speaker 1: mom in American Pie. That's interesting.

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Speaker 2: And then the character of Loy also stuck with a

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Speaker 2: man of an American man of the letters John Updike

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Speaker 2: in the novella Rabbit Remembered and names a character after

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Speaker 2: La La Lowry.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he was a fan of this movie. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not done with I'm not done with Jennifer Coolidge. That's

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Speaker 1: an interesting Oh, it might have been inspired by Kristin

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Speaker 1: Johnson in Third Rock from the Sun. This very tall

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Speaker 1: blonde woman. I wonder if that was the bad of mine.

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Speaker 2: I forgot Third Rock was so big at this time. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: whither Third Rock? Whither French Stewart Mmm?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And whether Harlan Williams, Oh, yeah, man himself, I

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Speaker 1: love rocket Man.

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Speaker 2: There's one line from that movie that I that I

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Speaker 2: quote a little too much was when he slides down

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Speaker 2: the safety railing and he goes.

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Speaker 1: The flesh it burns. Yeah, say that a lot. Yeah,

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a deep, deep cut for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was such a good that was a great movie.

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Speaker 1: It's a good movie. Yeah. Well, Spielberg, who was obviously

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01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: a co owner of DreamWorks Studio making this movie. Haiti,

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Speaker 1: visits the set at one point, suitably freaking everyone on

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Speaker 1: the set out.

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Speaker 2: And what do you do if you're just casually filming

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Speaker 2: your little star Trek purioed in Stephen Steven Spielberg, who's

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01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: the head of the studio also shows up.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, when we were doing uh Close Encounters, Oh,

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Speaker 1: when we were doing et Like, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah he did those movies, and then he's

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Speaker 2: actually what he did.

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Speaker 1: His presence on this. Yeah. Alan Rickman told MTV it

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01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: was hard to have a conversation. You could hear every

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01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: word coming out of your mouth and you just want

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Speaker 1: to stop talking, which is an incredible way to phrase

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Speaker 1: a sensation we all know far too. Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Producer Mark Johnson said, Stephen can come in even with

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01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: so so many balls in the air and look at

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Speaker 1: what you're shooting and cutting and get right to the

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Speaker 1: heart of the matter and say why not do this?

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01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: It's awes powers too opening. Austin's like, I do have

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01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: some thoughts and he just prays with his oscars. Like

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Speaker 1: my friends here think it's great the way it is.

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Speaker 1: M Spielberg's two suggestions were beefing up Justin Long's role

1339
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Speaker 1: in the movie He's the overly famous super fan Yes,

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: as well as Missy Pile's pointing out that without Pile,

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01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: the sole female presence of the film would have been

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Speaker 1: Sigourney Weavers. Long's role had been cut down to nothing,

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: and Spielberg suggested correctly that in a movie poking fun

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Speaker 1: at the concept of fandom, they needed to have long

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01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: super fan feature. More prominently, Missy Pyle was only in

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: two scenes until the director made his note or studio

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: head I should say, made his note.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not acting in capacity as director. No, acting in

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: capacity of everyone's boss, Yes, at.

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01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: Which point the subplot between her and Tony Shaloub was added.

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Speaker 1: Justin Long in his his first feature role, beat out

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01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: Allan Culkin Eddie K. Thomas, speaking of American Pie, he

1353
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: was the guy that I used to get compared to

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01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: an American pie, the pretentious do we what was his name?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The guy I'm not huge on that movie, Paul Finch Finch,

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Speaker 2: that was his name, Finch, Yes, Yes.

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01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: And Tom Everett Scott, who stars as the drummer Guy

1359
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: Patterson in My Beloved That Thing You Do. I can't

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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: see him as a nerd, though he's too. He's too

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Speaker 1: handsome and genial. True. Yeah, just long prepared for his

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01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: role by watching Trekkies, a documentary about the star Trek fandom.

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Speaker 1: He said of his role, I was channeling Phil Hoffman,

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01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: Philip Seymour, Hoffman from Boogie Knights mixed with the comic

1365
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Speaker 1: book guy from the Simpsons, which makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: That's very good. Yeah, that is.

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Speaker 2: The aliens who enlisted the cast of the show in

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01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 2: the film are called Thermian's and you can think just

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Speaker 2: shoot me star Enrico Cole and Toni for their voice.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's done things. Towards the end of Colntoni's audition,

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Speaker 2: Dean Parasat told ign I said, Rico, it seems like

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Speaker 2: you've got something on your mind. Rico, Baby, what do

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Speaker 2: you hold him back from me? He goes, well, I

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Speaker 2: have this voice. I don't know if it works. I said,

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Speaker 2: what is it?

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Speaker 1: Try it?

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Speaker 2: He did, and I just went, oh my god, that's it.

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Speaker 2: As the other Thermians were added, you know, Missy Pile, Jedrees,

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: Patrick Breen, and even Rain Wilson also in his feature

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Speaker 2: film debut. They held an alien school to work on

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Speaker 2: posture and mannerisms. But everyone followed col Antoni's lead with

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01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: the voice as well. We it's such a pid like

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Speaker 2: the fact that he came in with that already prepared. Ah,

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Speaker 2: that's so damn funny. Good for him. An actor prepares.

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Speaker 1: You peasants.

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 2: It's like, none of you have read who wrote that Stanislawski.

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01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: I think so none of you have read Stanislavsky.

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: I also have not. But it was not an auspicious

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01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: debut for rain Wilson. He would later tell GN I

1390
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: kept forgetting my line. I couldn't get it right, especially

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Speaker 1: because there were all these A list movie stars behind me.

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Speaker 1: There's Tim Allens, Gourney, Weavers, Sam Rockwell, and Tony Shaloube included.

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01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: Tony shalub in that I just kept blanking. I got

1394
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: so nervous. I remember my tinfoil suit was filled with sweat. Gross. Yeah,

1395
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: his biggest scene was ultimately axed from the final cut.

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Speaker 1: And we also have to mention Sam Rockwell's character, Guy Fleiegmann,

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Speaker 1: who's constantly got friend of the pod, Guy Fleegman.

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Speaker 2: I am such a child for funny sounding names. I

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: still find good fact that they pitched Vince Vaughan's character

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: and Anchorman as Wesman Tooth simply because of the way

1401
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: that Will Ferrell bites into that line in the movie.

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01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: Ah Man, I'm just a simple a simple boy from

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01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 2: the country. You give a character a silly name, I'm

1404
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 2: gonna laugh at it Guy Fleiegman.

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: I named the character and something I was working on,

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: John LeFarge, and it still cracks me up. It's good,

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01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: it's good. It's and it's very close to Jordi LeFarge,

1408
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: so little Jordi Forge. Yeah, the Star Trek crept in there.

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: Sorry to burst that bubble for you. Gas Pothier Gaston

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01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: called gas for short. Gas Pothier is another one. That's good. Yeah.

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01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: These are getting into like these are getting into like

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: pinsion names. Yeah. The gas Pathier is a is a

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: French Canadian bass fisherman. That's the that's the character. Yeah,

1414
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: probably played by current age Jim Carrey in his sixties. Yeah,

1415
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, thank you. John LeFarge is Will Ferrell,

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: current age m so. Yes, Guy Fleiegmann played by Sam Rockwell,

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: who I wholly forgot what's in this movie. He's constantly

1418
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: paranoid about being killed, which is a riff on Star

1419
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: Trek's famous Red Shirts, or the anonymous crew members who

1420
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: are always clad in red and are always the first

1421
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: to be killed off during any altercation. It's since become

1422
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: a trope across the genre, but it's important to note

1423
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: that of the fifty five crew members, killed in the

1424
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: original Star Trek series. You write twenty four, we're wearing

1425
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: red shirts. It's a real thing.

1426
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we love tropes that are real, at least

1427
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 2: in media.

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: You'd think that, like it wouldn't be red so you

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01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: could see the blood, you know what I mean. Maybe

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01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: it was. Maybe it was though you know, network standards

1431
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: and practices. Uh, that's a good point, okay, yeah, yeah.

1432
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: Sam Rockwall supposedly beat out Paul Rudd for the role

1433
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: of Say It with Me Now, Guy, and the character's

1434
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,839
Speaker 1: name is a reference to an actor named Guy Vardaman,

1435
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: who'd played several no name characters in Star Trek the

1436
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: Next Generation and doubled for Brett Spiner as Data and

1437
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: Will Wheaton as Wesley Crusher on that show. Yep, yep.

1438
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,480
Speaker 1: Sam Rockwell has two scenes in which he emits prolonged screams.

1439
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: For the teleportation scene, he downed quote four cups of

1440
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: coffee and two etcron which is about what I'm on today,

1441
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: as he told MTV, and afterwards a couple of beers

1442
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: to calm down. Maybe that's in my future. So Gourney

1443
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: Weaver was not told that he was going to do this,

1444
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: so her shocked reaction when he screams is completely real.

1445
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: Rockwell said that he wanted to quote Ennoble the coward archetype,

1446
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: and thought of, in his words, the best cowards in

1447
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: cinematic history, like John Taturo and Miller's Crossing, as well

1448
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: as Bill Paxton in Aliens with Michael Keaton in Night Shift.

1449
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: Know that one. But to me, Bill Paxton is the

1450
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: is the perfect coward.

1451
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. All film history. Yea, all this bravado

1452
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: immediately folds and starts freaking out amazing, Ah Paxton.

1453
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I still it doesn't feel right to me

1454
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: that he's not here. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1455
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,879
Speaker 1: In any event, we have now exiled Hollywood sexual predator

1456
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey, then doing the Iceman Cometh on Broadway. To

1457
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: thank for Sam Rockwell's role, the younger actor went to

1458
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: see Spacey, who encouraged him to do Galaxy Quest over

1459
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: another smaller movie that he'd been mulling over. Rockwell told

1460
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter, I thought about Sean Penn fast times

1461
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: at Ridgemont High, as one does. I figured I could

1462
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: play Guy Fleegman and still do say the Deer Hunter.

1463
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: I can play a buffoon and then turn it around

1464
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: with a versatile role in the next film. What was

1465
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: his next film.

1466
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: Let's see you're doing this out of spite to Sam

1467
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: Rockwall to be like nice try idiot. He was very

1468
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: good as Bob Fosse and uh Sam Rockwell's great.

1469
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was in Boscot too. Oh yeah, that's right,

1470
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: small role in basket Okay. Yeah. That year he was

1471
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: in A Midsummer Night's Stream, he was in The Green Mile,

1472
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 1: and he was in Galaxy Quest. And his next movie

1473
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: was You Ready I Am Charlie's Angels. Oh, which is

1474
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: not Check's Notes Dear Hunter, No, but.

1475
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: You know it is the movie that kind of was

1476
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: his mainstream breakthrough, so he chose well.

1477
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: I suppose he was in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind,

1478
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: that movie about the game show host uh Chechuck.

1479
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: Barris, Yeah, claiming he was a contract killer for the CIA.

1480
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: That's a great book.

1481
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if the movie is as charming, but

1482
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: the whole bit about that is so funny in.

1483
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: A way, kind of like Galaxy Quest. Yeah.

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01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 2: I think that movie has been completely forgotten too, even

1485
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: though I think was that a George Clooney directorial.

1486
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: Ooh, it might have been I think it was. That's

1487
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: how it got to Julia Roberts on the cheap Yeah,

1488
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: and he was Screamway by Charlie Coffin. Yeah, whoa wow.

1489
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: I read the book before I saw the movie. Actually,

1490
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: I don't think the movie quite comes off, but the book,

1491
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: written by Chuck Barris, is pretty.

1492
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 1: Good, suitably insane.

1493
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: Galaxy Quest had a respectable forty five million dollars reported budget,

1494
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: which is a little over eighty six million today, which

1495
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: films like this do not get anymore. No, you know,

1496
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: this is a straight to Netflix shot on digital lit

1497
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 2: for coverage pieces that you will forget immediately after you've

1498
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: seen it. That's what the role of this movie would

1499
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 2: have been today, and much of it thankfully went into

1500
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: the careful production design and effects. Production designer Linda Dessenna

1501
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: told Starlog one of the reasons that I wanted to

1502
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: do Galaxy Quest was because it didn't have to be

1503
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: real high tech and vacuu formed.

1504
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: It could be, you know, kind of tacky.

1505
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: We were going to use blue and violet, but we

1506
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 2: ended it up with the same color of gray, just

1507
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: three different values. That's hilarious because that is one of

1508
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: my beasts. With the next generation like Star Trek period.

1509
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't like sci fi that looks like clean.

1510
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: My ideal sci fi is like dusty Star Wars sci fi.

1511
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 2: And then like the set of Alien because like, I

1512
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 2: don't know how you would keep space so clean. You

1513
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: can't open the door and brush dust out.

1514
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, what's the deal with with the with the enterprise?

1515
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: Where's the dust go the window?

1516
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: They probably would have immediately after building that, they would

1517
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 2: have figured out a way to find some poor immigrant

1518
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: to clean the enterprise for pennies on the dollar.

1519
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: That's what the real Federation would have done, Folks Confederation.

1520
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: When I start a movie, she said, aside from the

1521
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 2: things you would normally focus on, like how to lay

1522
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: out a set, et cetera, it's color. In this movie

1523
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 2: we have Sarah's world where everything is green. So in

1524
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: Sarah's men are aboard of the ship, they stand out

1525
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 2: because everyone else is in gray and they're green.

1526
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: And then we go into the real world.

1527
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: In this movie, everything stays with the steel blues and

1528
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 2: the greens. In case you doubted her, bona Fides Dessenna

1529
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 2: was a set decorator on Star Trek, the motion picture

1530
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: Love that like you get a real set designer from

1531
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: Star Trek to do your Star Trek parody.

1532
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. The bad guy in the movie, General Saras,

1533
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: I love this so much. This is so petty, is

1534
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: named after film critic Andrew Saras, who was outspoken about

1535
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: his dislike of producer Mark Johnson's previous effort The Natural.

1536
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,799
Speaker 1: Sarah's responded to this ignoble honor in Entertainment Weekly, equipping

1537
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: the Galaxy quest quote, this is pretty good. Probably won't

1538
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 1: make enough money for me to sue for ten million dollars.

1539
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean it did, but you know he didn't. There

1540
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,919
Speaker 1: are also two shakespeare references made via character names. Commander

1541
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Peter Quincy tag as we mentioned earlier, is named for

1542
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: Peter Quince in A Midsummer Night's Stream, which Sam Roquah

1543
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: had just been in, so maybe that's where that connection

1544
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:13,440
Speaker 1: comes from. And Alexander Dane is a reference to Hamlet

1545
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: the Lonely Dane. Rickman's line I played Richard the Third

1546
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: is also pointed because of all the Shakespearean roles, Rickman

1547
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: played Richard the Third was never one of them, but

1548
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: a funny coincidence. When Alan Rickman joined the Royal Shakespeare

1549
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: Company in nineteen seventy eight. He was an Antony and

1550
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: Cleopatra alongside friend of the pod really Patrick Stewart, friend

1551
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: of us. All. Yeah, the film's aspect ratio, this is

1552
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: really cool, switches from one point eight five to one

1553
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: to two point three eight to one when the ship

1554
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: lands on Thermia to give the effect of a new

1555
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: wider world opening up. Very Wizard of Oz, which Dean

1556
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 1: Parasat admits was him being quote a little too clever

1557
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: for my own good. He added, it kind of backfired

1558
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: on me with projectionists. They wouldn't open the curtains wide enough.

1559
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 2: It's funny because I actually the trick in that actually

1560
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: repeats twice because you're first watching a four to three

1561
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 2: ratio like old square TV size of Galaxy Quest the show,

1562
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: and then it's revealed.

1563
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: That they're watching.

1564
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 2: Us on the screen at the convention, and as they

1565
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: they they as they zoom in on it, the aspect

1566
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 2: ratio also changes to become like the window boxed widescreen.

1567
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: It's really, it's like really clever kind of flexes on

1568
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: camera work and directing that again went over everyone's head, yes, yes,

1569
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 2: or some people or projections were just too lazy to do.

1570
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: Speaking of Thermia, apparently the design for the thermi I

1571
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: can never say it. Apparently apparently the design for the

1572
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: Thermian's station was influenced by Roger Dean's album cover Free

1573
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: Yes Songs, which is incredible. One of our younger friends

1574
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: of the Pod friends of the Pod, Cyrus uh has

1575
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: but been taking music suggestions from our shows, which I'm

1576
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: deeply touched by uh and and he's been a big

1577
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: fan of of Yes of Oh, hell yeah A roundabout

1578
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,520
Speaker 1: So there's another is roundabout on Yes Songs. I forget.

1579
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 2: No, I think it's on Imaginary Oceans. Possibly, don't quote

1580
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: me on that. No, it is, It's it's on uh Oh,

1581
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 2: it's on Yes Songs.

1582
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, Sorry, it's on Boat Yes Songs is

1583
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: the greatest hits like compilation, So it's on two things

1584
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 3: can be true.

1585
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: I want to know which sci fi movie will be

1586
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 2: brave enough to recreate the armadillo tank on the cover

1587
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: of Emerson Lake Edward Palmer's album Tarcas.

1588
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: While we're doing.

1589
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: While we're doing, prog rock album covers one of the

1590
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: highest forms of art of the twentieth century. As I

1591
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, our boy, Stan Winston handed the creature effects

1592
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 2: the guy behind terminator, the guy behind aliens, the guy

1593
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: behind another one, another one, although one huge element of

1594
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: the film was nearly thrown off by his buddy Steven

1595
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 2: Spielberg's studio notes Winston crew had built five cable operated

1596
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: silicone puppets of the Thermians in their true form, forty

1597
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: five tentacles for each one. Steen's were blocked with them

1598
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: lit Hurst. Two weeks before they were scheduled to be shot, though,

1599
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 2: Winston got a call from Spielberg, who decided the aliens

1600
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: were too weird looking and should be more humanoid like

1601
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: the ones in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. So

1602
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 2: Winston phone his effects supervisor, Shane Maham with the news

1603
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.

1604
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: And this is from.

1605
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 2: The Stan Winston School of Character Arts website, which is

1606
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: a wonderful like look at all of the work that

1607
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 2: he's ever done, and really detailed notes about it. He said,

1608
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 2: we'd gone through so much trouble for these things, and

1609
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: at this point we had two weeks to come up

1610
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: with something entirely new. Winston listened to man and said,

1611
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: let me call Stephen Spielberg back and whatever he said

1612
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: worked because the original designs made it into the movie.

1613
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: And this is funny.

1614
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: The Winston crew used technology that they were simultaneously working

1615
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: on for Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes remake for Sarah's.

1616
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: And this is a guy named the Winston Shop. One

1617
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: of the mechanics workers, Richard Landon. He says, we were

1618
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: testing things for Planet of the Apes and Stan came

1619
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 2: up to me one day and said, figure out a

1620
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,839
Speaker 2: way to make a transfer mechanism so that an actor's

1621
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: face can actually move a prosthetic muzzle.

1622
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: He said.

1623
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: That was another case of Stan saying I don't know

1624
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 2: how to do this because I'm technically averse, and then

1625
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: exactly describing the mechanism to me.

1626
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: And so it's this little linkage.

1627
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 2: Device that made the makeup move when the actors face move,

1628
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: and that's what they use for Sarah's. And again, like

1629
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: that thing looks amazing. The prosthetics on that the character design,

1630
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: it looks like really amazingly excellent.

1631
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: Twenty five CGI. Wasn't that the problem with the original

1632
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes in nineteen sixty eight, where they

1633
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: had these like monkey masks that just the actors couldn't

1634
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: move their faces because the mask would move along with it.

1635
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like instead, it's the move that was like,

1636
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it was precipitated by Planet

1637
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 2: of the Apes, but like, as they went from just

1638
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 2: like one piece applications to many smaller individual pieces, and

1639
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 2: I think that was largely the innovation of Dick Smith

1640
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 2: Affects Wizard.

1641
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Dick Smith, who also worked on Exorcist.

1642
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: His big innovation at the time with the aging makeup

1643
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: for Dustin Hoffman's character and Little Big Man was multiple

1644
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,520
Speaker 2: small pieces so that the facial features can move independently

1645
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: instead of just this huge chunk of rubber that just

1646
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: gets kind of glued onto your face or around your head. Anyway,

1647
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 2: Sarahs has a spiked eye patch, and that's supposedly an

1648
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: allusion to one worn by Christopher Plumber as General Chang

1649
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 2: in Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. I don't think

1650
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 2: I've seen any of these past Wrath of Khan, the

1651
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: gross pig lizard that's beamed up inside out at.

1652
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: Under the pod Ping Lizard. Pig lizard was naturally a

1653
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: full sized costume with a dude inside it. I just

1654
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 1: love that man.

1655
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: Just a big old pig lizard that a guy got

1656
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 2: in and wriggled around him, just having a big old

1657
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: fun time making to movies.

1658
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: And there was no way for me to know this.

1659
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: I just can't believe I'm into movies.

1660
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm making my love, making a living in the movies.

1661
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 2: Crawls into sweat drenched pig lizard costume and rolls around

1662
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: in the dirt with Tim Allen movies, movie magic.

1663
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: And there was no way for me to know this

1664
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: before I rehearsed this.

1665
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 2: But the little blue guys, little blue aliens who are

1666
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 2: all cute and then suddenly become terrifying. That character art

1667
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 2: was designed by Bernie Wrightson, who's a comic book artist

1668
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 2: who created my beloved swamp thing, and they did that

1669
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 2: just for me. The film's desert planet was the iconic

1670
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 2: Goblin Valley State Park in Utah, which is the place

1671
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: that has all of these like round, creepily eroded rocks

1672
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: amidst this very red tinged desert setting, and it is

1673
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 2: for such a cinematic location. It is really bizarre to

1674
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: me that Galaxy Cluster was one of the first films

1675
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 2: to shoot there. They were preceded by city slickers to

1676
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 2: the legend of Curly's Goal.

1677
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: I just rewatched that recently. That movie's great. I will

1678
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: not real word against City Slickers one or two, okay.

1679
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: And then later Terrence Malick's The Tree of Life, very

1680
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: different movie.

1681
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 2: Speaking of Goblin Valley, as we often do, a young

1682
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: man's mind often turns to Goblin Valley.

1683
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 1: This would be a great.

1684
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 2: Place to segue into what the film is and isn't,

1685
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 2: referencing from the wider sci fi cannon and the lanes

1686
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 2: to which production went to make sure they weren't going

1687
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: to get sued. So Galaxy quests Rock Monster from that Goblin.

1688
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no no no no

1689
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: no no no no, no no no, thank you.

1690
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Good stuff, good stuff, good stuff. That is not a

1691
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: nod to William Shatner twos William Shatner's disastrous directorial debut,

1692
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine's Star Trek five, The Final Frontier. It

1693
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: sounds like rock Lobster, it does. That's the bit, Follow

1694
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 2: me here on a journey. This film is notable in

1695
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 2: the Star Trek movie fandom because Star Trek four The

1696
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 2: Voyage Home had been directed by Leonard Nimoy, and that

1697
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 2: was a huge hit and so Shatner faced immense pressure

1698
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: to follow that with his bloated ass in.

1699
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: The directorial's chair.

1700
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 2: Four Star Trek five just so funny that everything Shatner

1701
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 2: does is like a spikee for other people towards other people.

1702
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 2: So Shatner's film introducts the character Sybock, the half brother

1703
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 2: of Spock, who hijacks the Enterprise on a quest to

1704
01:30:54,439 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: find God like a golden compass. So he was apparently

1705
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: inspired by like the prominence of televangelists like I guess

1706
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 2: Tammy fay Baker and jam Baker would have been hitting

1707
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 2: around this time, and he wanted the film to culminate

1708
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 2: in a sequence where Kirk, Spock, and Bones are pursued

1709
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: by angels and demons, though.

1710
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: He realized Scooby Doo, Yeah.

1711
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,799
Speaker 2: He realized eventually that having Star Trek characters confront Judeo

1712
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: Christian concepts might not have been the smartest move, and

1713
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 2: his work around for this was somehow dumber and less realistic.

1714
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 2: Shatner decided that the film's climax would feature Kirk chased

1715
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 2: by a number of rock monsters. I've read anywhere from

1716
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 2: six to twenty on the mythical planet.

1717
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Of Shaka Rie where lived.

1718
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 2: No, it's actually anoun to Sean Connery, who Shatner wanted

1719
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 2: to play Spock's brother, Sybock.

1720
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Connery turned this down to be in the third Indiana

1721
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 1: Jones movie Say It with Me. He chose wisely so.

1722
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: The cost of shadow his rock Monster's concept would have

1723
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,879
Speaker 1: come in at over three hundred thousand dollars, and Shatner

1724
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: had to settle for one, which was promptly cut from

1725
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: the film when everyone saw how shot It's out there

1726
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: on YouTube you can see it. Star Trek five ended

1727
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: up as the lowest grossing and worst reviewed of the

1728
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,759
Speaker 1: Star Trek movies starring the cast of the original series,

1729
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: and once again, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

1730
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Rick been seen.

1731
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 2: By the way, accusing Allan's character of stealing his best

1732
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: lines and cutting him out of episodes is a direct

1733
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: jab at William Shatner, who was a huge divo on

1734
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: the set of the original series. He would ask for

1735
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 2: additional takes and extend his lines, and allegedly ordered lines

1736
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 2: of dialogue to be written for his own character. I've

1737
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 2: also read that he demanded all of the set lighting

1738
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 2: to be based around Kirk. Anyway, the Galaxy Quest rock Monster,

1739
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: which sounds like rock Lobster, was not direct was not

1740
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 2: a direct shot at Star Trek five, but screenwriter Robert

1741
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 2: Corton did allow that that entire scene of them on

1742
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 2: this desert like planet was a nod to the famous

1743
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: episode of the original series where Shatner fights a lizard

1744
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: like creature called the Gorn in the desert. The transporter

1745
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 2: malfunction and the sequence of the ship leaving its dock

1746
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 2: were both inspired by Star Trek the Motion Picture and

1747
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: this is amazing. I don't know why they didn't roll

1748
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 2: with this on original draft. One of the drafts of

1749
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: the screenplay referred to this as Galaxy Quest the Motion Picture,

1750
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 2: which they really should have run with. The scene on

1751
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 2: the rock planet, also where Brickman's doctor Lazarus is chided

1752
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: for holding his tracking device upside down, is apparently also

1753
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: a reference to the first scene of Star Trek, where

1754
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,440
Speaker 2: Spock is repeatedly seen holding one of his gimmicks, Gimgauz,

1755
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 2: upside down before someone corrected him for the final time.

1756
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Other sci fi references goredon the snuck in Sigourney Weaver's

1757
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: character saying ducks why is it always Dunce, which, in

1758
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,719
Speaker 1: addition to Beth definitely being some form of an Indiana

1759
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: Jones riff, is also obviously a reference to the as

1760
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: you described, ducked Heavy alien franchise. When Quelex says I'm shot,

1761
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: that's a direct reference to James Brolin in Westworld and

1762
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: the Little Blue Aliens I actually caught. This are a

1763
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:17,719
Speaker 1: nod to Barbarella, the nineteen sixty eight schlocky Roger Corman

1764
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: adjacent Jane Fonda starring Barbarbrella in a scene where she's

1765
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: waylaid by two cute children with horrible mechanical dolls with

1766
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: razor sharp teeth. Yes, that's that's their preferred that's their

1767
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, god, it's so upsetting. Yeah, it really is. Yeah,

1768
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: see Barbarella though, Yeah, we watched it all together. That's fun.

1769
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: It's a good day. The Omega thirteen device was supposedly

1770
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: a nod to the climax of say It beneath the

1771
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes. That's right, my favorite, it's my

1772
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 1: new favorite sequel format title name. Absolutely, what's beneath the planet? Guys?

1773
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: A moon of a like, mister show thing, Like we're

1774
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna blow up the moon well, we what else do

1775
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: you do with that? We walked on it, we hit

1776
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:13,520
Speaker 1: a golf ball on it. Time to kill it. We're Americans.

1777
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: Beneath the Planet of the Apes features a doomsday device

1778
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: labeled Alpha Omega. No one could have gone back to

1779
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: the drawing board alpha omega omega? Which is more powerful?

1780
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Alpha or omega? Well, I mean, you know, Christ is

1781
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: famously the beginning and end of all things, which is

1782
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: what I believe that was. That was fy the beginning

1783
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 1: and end. I think one of the things that the

1784
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: alpha and the omega is supposed to reference. But you know,

1785
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since I got that PhD

1786
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:50,919
Speaker 1: in divinities. Narrator voice, he did not have a PhD

1787
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: in divinities. Uh, Universal Life Church. That's what doctor Hunter S.

1788
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: Thompson did. That's true. That's true. And if you get

1789
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 1: the Ordained, you get a little thing that says, like

1790
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: priests that you can hang from your rearview mirror and

1791
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: you can park anywhere you sure can, You sure can.

1792
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: That's gonna come in handy for you. I know what's

1793
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: up next. I'm just rily you don't have to, you

1794
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: don't have to highlight it for me. On the outline,

1795
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting the hook the planet of the Thermians Plaateau

1796
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 1: Nebula as a nod to the day the Earth stood still.

1797
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: That's right. The alien coming out of the spaceship is.

1798
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 2: Plato nickto barat Yeah, which is like one of the

1799
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: most famous sci fi RIfS of all time. It's in

1800
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 2: It's in the Book of the Dead and all the

1801
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 2: Army of Darkness movies from the from the Raimies.

1802
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: It's one of the incantations that you read in the

1803
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: in the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness. And there's

1804
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: a sort of proggy pop band of the seventies called

1805
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,520
Speaker 1: Clatau named after that alien, and they sounded so beatlelike

1806
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: that there was like underground rumors of the like Paul

1807
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: is Dead variety that the Beatles had secretly reformed as

1808
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: this band Platoo. Did you know that? I didn't know that.

1809
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of not a lot of people

1810
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, there's a song called sub rosa Subway,

1811
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 1: which sounds so it sounds like Paul McCartney singing, sounds

1812
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: something he would have written. It's yeah, it's good stuff too.

1813
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Galaxy Quest was even parrotying contemporary sci fi. The insane

1814
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: chompers room that the crew has to go through was

1815
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: riffing on nineteen ninety seven's a vent Horizon, A wonderful

1816
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: slice of cheese about a spaceship whose engine opens up

1817
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: a portal to hell. Great movie. Another easter egg. One

1818
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: of the robots from The Ill Fated Toys, the Robin

1819
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: Williams movie. Yeah, also Barry Levinson. Oh that's right. I

1820
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: love that movie as a kid. Movie was nuts, which

1821
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: I guess producer Marke the Box I know it was not.

1822
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 1: Any one of those robots is on stage with Sam

1823
01:37:54,240 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Rockwell's character at the contention Guy Fleegmanleegman. Yeah, this is nuts.

1824
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: It's about this like owner of a toy company dies

1825
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: and then leaves it in his will to his brother,

1826
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 1: who's like a general. And Robin Williams is the son

1827
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: who was passed over and is rightfully sad that he

1828
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: didn't inherit the toy company because he's the whimsical one,

1829
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: damn it. Yeah, and then the general. I think he

1830
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: starts off by like releasing what kids think are video

1831
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: games and taking advantage of their like incredible hand eye coordination.

1832
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,480
Speaker 1: But the kids think they're video games, but they're actually.

1833
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 2: Like real things. Yeah, yeah, quite quite predictive, are very much.

1834
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 2: You know, you wouldn't be able to make that movie

1835
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 2: today because of the tariffs.

1836
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, too expensive. Can't get those cheap, cheap rubber

1837
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: crap from China anymore until he fixes it, which I'm

1838
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 1: sure he will. Director Dean Parasol told MTV everybody was

1839
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: afraid of being sued. Same when we made that movie.

1840
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Everything we would start, the designer come up with it

1841
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: couldn't help but be relevant in some way to Star Trek. Fortunately,

1842
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: he says, DreamWorks were more focused on Gladiator at the time,

1843
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: and they were able to duck too much scrutiny, though

1844
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 1: for instance, they couldn't say beam in reference to teleporting.

1845
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Yeah, they were worried about the captain's chair,

1846
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: they were worried about the uniforms. Parasol continues, I ignored it,

1847
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: so I was actually terrified when the movie came out.

1848
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 1: Even the protector of the spacecraft serial number NTE three

1849
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: one two zero stands for not the Enterprise and te

1850
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,879
Speaker 1: that's really funny. Love it. Other Slight language adjustments included

1851
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: using medical quarters instead of sick bay. That's dumb. That's

1852
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: like a sick base, like a widely used term, is

1853
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: it though? Yeah? But because of Star Trek though, you know,

1854
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: and the transporter is referred to as the Digital conveyor,

1855
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 1: and the chief Engineer is now a X sergeant. Is

1856
01:39:58,720 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: this funny? Yeah?

1857
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean you think about all that stuff that's bled

1858
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 2: into just like the vernacular, you know, an influential show

1859
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 2: one might say Star Trek one dedicated Trekky. Though James

1860
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 2: Burrdnelli discovered that this whole thing was a farce.

1861
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: He was reviewing Galaxy Quez and.

1862
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 2: He discovered a piece of extended media, Star Trek Minutia.

1863
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:27,600
Speaker 2: A short story by Ruth Boerban titled Visit to a

1864
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 2: Weird Planet Revisited Now. This was published in the nineteen

1865
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 2: seventy six anthology Star Trek The New Voyagers, and the

1866
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 2: plot of this story is that actors William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy,

1867
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: and DeForest Kelly are transported to the Real Enterprise while

1868
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 2: filming an episode of Star Trek and are pursued by Klingon's.

1869
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: So defores Kelly was into movie? No? Well, defores Kelly

1870
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:57,560
Speaker 1: was not into movie. No he was not, But did

1871
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: you got it right?

1872
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Like a short story from nineteen seventy six unnarrowingly predicted

1873
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 2: the plot of this movie in a way that no

1874
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 2: one would have found out because it was in a

1875
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 2: short story anthology in nineteen seventy six of Star Trek

1876
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:11,879
Speaker 2: Extended Cannon Stories.

1877
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: It's like wicked. Yeah. But the other thing, the other.

1878
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 2: Quiet part loud about Galaxy Quest is that it is

1879
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 2: essentially Three Amigos, which starred Steve Martin, Chevy Chase and

1880
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 2: Martin Short as actors invited to a Mexican village to

1881
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 2: assume their fictional roles as protective bandidos in real life.

1882
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: And I want to say that they knew this because

1883
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 1: when Alan's character is watching himself in an old episode

1884
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 1: of Galaxy Quest, the monologue his character's doing resembles the

1885
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: rallying cry of the Three Amigos when he's like in

1886
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: his house and he's like in his house with the

1887
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:43,719
Speaker 1: whiskey or whatever.

1888
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wherever there's darkness, there will be And that's

1889
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 2: like the Three Amigos bit.

1890
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: You know that house that Tim Allens in, like his

1891
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: character's house is like a very famous house in the

1892
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Hollywood Hills called the Stall House. I believe it's like

1893
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot of famous photos. It's just like beautiful mid

1894
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: century modern house by architect named Pierre Kanig, and it's

1895
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,799
Speaker 1: like on the National Register it's called the Stall House

1896
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 1: s T. A. H. L. And it's a very very

1897
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 1: famous house because it's been in I want to say,

1898
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 1: it's been in its definitely and other stuff. Is it

1899
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: in Longa by Oh? Well, the guy designed it designed

1900
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 1: similar houses because it reminds me, it reminds me of

1901
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: the one in actually the one in Charlie's Angels that

1902
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Sam Rockwell, yeah, but it is not. It's been. It

1903
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: was in the pilot episode of Colombo, which I love.

1904
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:43,599
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. Well, that's wonderful. The Stall House, Ladies

1905
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: and gentlemen.

1906
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

1907
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 2: more too much information after these messages.

1908
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: Well, for years, there's been a rumor persisting that there's

1909
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: an R rated cut of Galaxy Quest out there, and

1910
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: as you write, that's not strictly true. Writer Robert Gordon

1911
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: told MTV, let's talk about the so called R rated

1912
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: version of the film. When I originally wrote it, I

1913
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about a family film, just what I wanted

1914
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: to see. So when the ship lands in the convention

1915
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 1: hall and the original draft it decapitates a bunch of people.

1916
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 1: So there's also stuff we shot where Sigourney tries to

1917
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 1: seduce some of the aliens. It was cut and that's

1918
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: why her shirt is ripped at the end. Also the

1919
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 1: worst dubbed F bomb ever. You have thoughts about this, Oh,

1920
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: it's the worst dubbed F bomb ever.

1921
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 2: It's when they get into the chompers room and Sigarette

1922
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 2: A Reaver's immediate reaction is, well, that.

1923
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: Wasn't this PG, at least on Amazon. It's like pg's

1924
01:43:58,360 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: at that.

1925
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 2: So they cut the because you can get one F

1926
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 2: bomb in PG thirteen movie, but you can't a PGPG.

1927
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 2: And yeah, so they cut it and made the studio

1928
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 2: made them dub it is screw that and it's terrible.

1929
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 2: The director made it perfectly the end. Sigourney Weaver, she

1930
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 2: was like, I made it the worst dub I've ever done.

1931
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 2: And Dean Parasog didn't shoot any other cut of it, coverage,

1932
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 2: he shot nothing, no other safeties for that, so he

1933
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 2: was just and he was like, I dubbed it poorly,

1934
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 2: and apparently I wasn't able to verify this. But when

1935
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:35,679
Speaker 2: they restored this movie and re released it for either

1936
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 2: DVD or I'm not sure if it's got a four

1937
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,640
Speaker 2: K yet, but DVD or Blu ray, they were like,

1938
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 2: do you want to redo that and make it and

1939
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 2: make it a better dub? And he was like, no, no,

1940
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't.

1941
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 1: Another cut scene was a visit to Alan Rickman's character's

1942
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:54,480
Speaker 1: crew quarters, which Tim Allen described as quote a proctologist

1943
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: dream and nightmare, all of these sharp things around his anus.

1944
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 2: That might also be a nod to Event Horizon, which

1945
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,799
Speaker 2: is like some of the funniest interior ship design ever,

1946
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, they get this transmission that's

1947
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 2: like just all of them, like all the characters at

1948
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 2: one point in this like Horrible Blood Orgy, it's like

1949
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 2: all these weird BDSM club design things, Like it's really

1950
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 2: it's really a great film, and there is actually about

1951
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 2: that film there is supposedly like for a long time

1952
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 2: people were obsessed with like finding an unrated cut of

1953
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: it that had all of this extra like graphic and

1954
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: horrifying footage still in it, or at least to get

1955
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 2: it recut and re released.

1956
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: And Paul W. Said, Paul W. S Anderson, who has

1957
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: since done all the Resident Evil movies. He did the

1958
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: first Mortal Kombat movie, he did a bunch of other

1959
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 1: just shlock. And he is married to Milli Jovovich, which

1960
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 1: is why she's in all of the Resident Evil movies.

1961
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 2: He was just like, He's like, no, it doesn't literally

1962
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 2: does not exist. Like all of that extra film went

1963
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 2: into like a backlot somewhere and then fell apart in

1964
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:05,799
Speaker 2: like an Eastern European storage facility for the studio.

1965
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: Which I'm just very sad that that is what happens.

1966
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: But sometimes it doesn't happen. Sometimes it just gets burnt

1967
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: in a fire. M M. This was an universal movie,

1968
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 1: was it? No? Oh, well Spielberg, close enough? Yeah. Writer

1969
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 1: David Howard, the guy who originally came up with this premise,

1970
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 1: told IGN I understood there were two factions. One that

1971
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: wanted to make the movie more edgy, make the movie

1972
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: more edgy and hip, and another who wanted to make

1973
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: it more family friendly. And I don't mean that in

1974
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 1: a pejorative sense. This guy's too sweet for his own good.

1975
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 1: But they did make a deliberate choice to tone down

1976
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: some of the violence and take some of the language out.

1977
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: Sigourney Weaver told The Hollywood Reporter it may have been

1978
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: competition from another studio that nudged Galaxy Quest to the

1979
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: safer side of things. She said, to me, DreamWorks didn't

1980
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: seem particularly interested in what we were doing, which gave

1981
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: us more freedom during the shoot. But then at the

1982
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: last minute, DreamWorks it needed a movie to go up

1983
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: against Stuart Little The Mouse Movie, she helpfully adds, so

1984
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: they chose this one and started making cuts to the

1985
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: film Bummer Tales Oldest Time. Yeah. I do remember when

1986
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: this came out, thinking like, is this a kid's movie? Like,

1987
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't h yeah. Uh.

1988
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 2: Dean director Dean Parast told MTV Terry Press now president

1989
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,719
Speaker 2: of communications for Spielberg's Ambulance Entertainment, so he does indeed

1990
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,759
Speaker 2: keep his friends close. She was the head of marketing

1991
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 2: for DreamWorks at the time and didn't believe in the movie.

1992
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 2: We had a critical screening in the Valley and Terry

1993
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 2: was pregnant with twins and couldn't go. Had she been there,

1994
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 2: she would realize this was an audience movie. So the

1995
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 2: film was in the top ten for nine weeks in

1996
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 2: the US, but it was a very slow climb to

1997
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 2: its total gross, which was a respectable doubling of its

1998
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 2: forty five million budget, made ninety mili. Early trailers also

1999
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 2: came out, though before the post production.

2000
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: VFX had been completed, so they didn't even have any

2001
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: of the beautiful like any of the nice CGI to

2002
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 1: show off. They just had you know, Tim Alan mugging.

2003
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 2: They had other things made out of rubber, like Tim

2004
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Allen's face, and Parasawt continued.

2005
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:12,839
Speaker 1: It became this thing where I would walk.

2006
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Into meetings and people would say, it's a shame how

2007
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 2: they marketed that movie. They looked at it as a

2008
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 2: Christmas movie for kids. They put it in theaters that

2009
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 2: were for kids, and Matt nays, our big argument was

2010
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 2: that there was a much larger audience, but they didn't

2011
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 2: believe that. By the second week, adults started showing up,

2012
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 2: which sustained the film in a very strange way.

2013
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: It kept making the same amount of money each weekend

2014
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: for four weekends in a row, unheard of today.

2015
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 2: Parasat maintains that even enemy of the Pod Jeffrey Katzenberg,

2016
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 2: called him on the second week of the film's release

2017
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 2: and told him I'm sorry. I think we screwed up

2018
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 2: the marketing on this, to which I say, bully for him. No,

2019
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 2: it's amazing how Jeffrey Katzenberg has multiple allegory or anecdotes

2020
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 2: about him calling up and apologizing after things that he

2021
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 2: directed or things that were under his supervision flopped.

2022
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, which is that a enough to earn him

2023
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: a disciplinary committee hearing for TMI to see if we

2024
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: should be downgraded from enemy of the Pod to nuisance

2025
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 1: of the Pod. I mean, I had not believed that

2026
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: such a thing could be, But I love that nuisance

2027
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: of the Pod. I mean, that's good stuff. Self awareness,

2028
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 1: I guess would downgrade you to touse some nuisance? Yeah,

2029
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: self awareness, but no desire to actually affect anything demeanor? Yeah?

2030
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 1: Who among us? I do have to say one.

2031
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 2: However, there is one thing that the marketing department did

2032
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 2: have a genius stroke of which which they again might

2033
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 2: have been a little too clever for their own good.

2034
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 2: They built Galaxy quest dot com, which was not a

2035
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 2: page about the actual movie. It took the whole fake

2036
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 2: television show to the gag to its next level.

2037
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: This was like a.

2038
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 2: Purposefully janky looking fake fan site for the show Galaxy

2039
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 2: Quest that had a giant trove of fake episode guides

2040
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 2: and it was all hosted written by a fake fan

2041
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 2: named Travis Latki, who at one point thanks his mom

2042
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 2: for paying for the hosting servers in her basement.

2043
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: Great stuff. It doesn't live anymore. But you can see

2044
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 1: you can see in the way back machine. Yeah, you

2045
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,799
Speaker 1: can see captive in the wayback machine. Nice. Speaking of fans,

2046
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Trekki's love Galaxy Quest and why shouldn't they, right, there's

2047
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: very little mean spirited judgment in the film, and Justin

2048
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: Long's super fan character actually saves the entire cast of

2049
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:38,719
Speaker 1: the show via his nerd knowledge your words. Yes, In fact,

2050
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,440
Speaker 1: one of your favorite bits of trivia about the film,

2051
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh here, you should you should take this is this

2052
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 1: is your favorite? It is my favorite. Yeah.

2053
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 2: One of my favorite bits about this film is that

2054
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 2: there was a Star Trek convention in Vegas and all

2055
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 2: of the attendees this was in twenty thirteen or fourteen,

2056
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 2: and all of the attendees voted on which was the

2057
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 2: best Star Trek movie, and Galaxy Quest came in at

2058
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:07,719
Speaker 2: number seven. And you will note that there are far

2059
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 2: more than seven Star Trek movies, so a bunch of

2060
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 2: trekids decided that this was quote more of a Star

2061
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 2: Trek movie than several Star Trek movies on this list.

2062
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 1: I love that. That's really great. But what is the

2063
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: original source material? You may ask? Yes, Patrick Stewart, who

2064
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,600
Speaker 1: come on, do we even need to ide him? He

2065
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: played Captain Jean Luke Lecard on Next Gen, a.

2066
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 2: Character name that introduced me to I want to say

2067
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 2: the concept of Jean Luke as a name in total, yes, yes, yes, yes,

2068
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 2: the most famous Jean Luke of all time. That's for

2069
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 2: the fans to decide.

2070
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 1: He had this to say, I had originally not wanted

2071
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 1: to see Galaxy Can I read this as him I

2072
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: had originally I can't do it. No, he got so close.

2073
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: I can have a cadence, but like, don't have the

2074
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 1: tambur I had originally, No, I can't. No, it's too deep.

2075
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 1: I had originally not wanted to see Galaxy Quest because

2076
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 1: I heard it was making fun of Star Trek. This

2077
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 1: is him talking to the BBC. Then Jonathan Frank's rang

2078
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 1: me up. Oh, I almost had it there and said

2079
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: you must not and said you must not miss this,

2080
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 1: you must not miss this movie. You must not miss

2081
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 1: this movie. See it on a Saturday night in a

2082
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 1: full theater. Frank's definitely did not deliver it like that. No,

2083
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:30,520
Speaker 1: and I did, and of course I found it was brilliant, brilliant.

2084
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: No one laughed louder or longer in the cinema than

2085
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:37,919
Speaker 1: I did. Tim Russ or Tuvac on Star Trek Voyager

2086
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,600
Speaker 1: under my name there Cat Tuvak Nice, I had flashbacks

2087
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 1: of Galaxy Quests that the many conventions I've gone to

2088
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,040
Speaker 1: since the movie came out. I thought it was an

2089
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: absolute laugh a minute. Yeah, I mean this movie for

2090
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: people who've been in the many Star Trek iterations, it

2091
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 1: must be like spinal tap for anybody who's ever been

2092
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 1: in a bends, Like, yeah, exactly, this is how much

2093
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 1: it can suck. I'm comfortably close. Yeah, thank you for

2094
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 1: seeing us. Will Wheaton Wesley Crusher on Next Shin had

2095
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 1: this to say, I loved Galaxy quest I thought it

2096
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 1: was brilliant satire not only of Trek but a fandom

2097
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 1: in general. Real heads call it Trek. There's a heat.

2098
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 1: That quote continues, and I cut it, and I'm not

2099
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 1: actually sure why, because well, it's a bit inside baseball.

2100
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 1: He said, all it needed was some sweaty guy yelling

2101
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: at the child actor why was there a child on

2102
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 1: the Star Trek Enterprise, which is something that dogged Will

2103
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 1: Wheaaten for years. I do have to say that his

2104
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: character sucks and should never have been on a spaceship.

2105
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 1: But that is like the poor kid was like, you know,

2106
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 1: eleven or whatever and having grown men scream in his

2107
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: face about how it was that he existed pure. I mean,

2108
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: so pretty could let's start on life in Hollywood and

2109
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: maybe life in general. It's true? Yeah, I mean they

2110
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: did you know, they broke his cherry early, popped his

2111
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 1: cherry early. Don't put that in. I hate that although

2112
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 1: this was the era of cherry pop. Was Will Wheaton

2113
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 1: the son of son of famous people? I know I

2114
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 1: might be getting confused with Mikey from Goonies, who was

2115
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Patty Duke's kid. Oh yeah, no, I don't know if

2116
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 1: Will Wheaton's a Will Wheaton is a NEPO baby, so

2117
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. Probably not. George Takai or

2118
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 1: Sulu from the original series of Star Trek had this

2119
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: to say, I think it's a chillingly realistic documentary. He laughs. Also,

2120
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: the details in it I recognized every one of them.

2121
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: It's a powerful piece of documentary filmmaking. I was rolling

2122
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 1: in the aisles and Tim Allen had that shat in

2123
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:46,360
Speaker 1: the esque swaggered down at George Takai and Shatner famously

2124
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 1: been feuding probably in a series decade now, like a

2125
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 1: long long time, and I roared when the shirt came off,

2126
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: and Sigourney Weaver rolls her eyes and says, there goes

2127
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: that shirt again. How often do we hear that on set?

2128
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 2: I have to you know, I have to mention there's

2129
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 2: another thing in this movie that Sigourney Reaver made reference

2130
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: to in one of these oral.

2131
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 1: Histories, which is she said Tim Allen chickened out when

2132
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 1: it came time to kiss me. And indeed when they

2133
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 1: like embrace at the end of the movie, it does

2134
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 1: look like their characters were supposed to kiss, and there's

2135
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:21,880
Speaker 1: like a very obvious like going in for the kiss,

2136
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 1: like no, and then they just hug uh. And I

2137
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: think that is so funny that they decided they again

2138
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: decided to keep that in as something that they would

2139
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: all mock Tim Allen four years later and laugh about, well,

2140
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: didn't they like early on in like the convention scene

2141
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 1: or something when one of the fans there.

2142
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:43,920
Speaker 2: Are nots to them, like there are nots to them,

2143
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 2: like having had a relationship or something. And when he

2144
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 2: hits on her at one point, actually she delivers a great,

2145
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 2: a great line where he's like trying to like get

2146
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 2: her to come hook up with him, and she said,

2147
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 2: He says, come on, like you you know you found me,

2148
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 2: you found me beautiful once something like that, and and

2149
01:55:59,040 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 2: she says, that.

2150
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 1: Was before I knew you. Yes, yes, yes, yes, He's

2151
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 1: a devastating thing. Yes, And speaking of devastating things, William Shatner, Yeah,

2152
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 1: I do love Shatner though Why, I've heard people say

2153
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: the most horrible things about him, and I've also heard

2154
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 1: people say the most wonderful things about him. No. In between, Well,

2155
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: there's there's a Henry Rowlands bit during one of his

2156
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:27,880
Speaker 1: spoken word things. Yeah, OK, because he Henry Rowans and

2157
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 1: Bill Shatner did a spoken word piece on an album

2158
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 1: that Ben Folds was producing. It's the William Shatner Album

2159
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 1: has been, which is actually great. And so Henry Rowans

2160
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 1: worked with him, and he said that he was just

2161
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: like helped him fall in love with life again. He

2162
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 1: was just so passionate, enthusiastic about like everything. They go

2163
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: out to dinner, and he said, just like watching William

2164
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 1: Shatner eat was just like a revelation because he's like

2165
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 1: every bite was going to be the best bite of

2166
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 1: his life. Like that was how how he described like

2167
01:56:56,360 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 1: watching him Shatner eat. I mean, wait, joke aside, Like

2168
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 1: it was very it was very touching. So I'm sure

2169
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: he's a nightmare to work with.

2170
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I I the the thing that

2171
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 2: I like most about him is when he went up

2172
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 2: on Deep Blue or space X or whatever. No it

2173
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 2: wasn't space X because that would have exploded the Deep

2174
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 2: Blue something. Yeah, deep Blue, the Amazon one, the Amazon spacecraft.

2175
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 2: He went up on one of Bezos's little vanity trips

2176
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 2: and came back not wide eyed in wonder, but like

2177
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:35,879
Speaker 2: genuinely horrified in a way that like Lovecrafty and Horror

2178
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 2: has tried to portray since Lovecraft wrote it, of just

2179
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 2: being like my god, we are.

2180
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 1: Alone yeah actually.

2181
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 2: And being like and being like why what are we

2182
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:49,840
Speaker 2: doing to this planet?

2183
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:53,640
Speaker 1: Like there were alone out there, yeah, and there's so

2184
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 1: much space, and oh what are we doing?

2185
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, good for you? For like actually

2186
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 2: having a moment of genuine like recoiling horror, as I

2187
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 2: assume everyone actually does in space, and then lies about

2188
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 2: coming back and being like, how oh, it's so wonderful

2189
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 2: and beautiful horrifying.

2190
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: I actually have a lot to say about this. A

2191
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, one of the new podcasts they

2192
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 1: have been working on is called American History Hotline, and

2193
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: we take like, you know, listener questions and then we

2194
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 1: have various experts come in and answer them. And one

2195
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: of the questions was why did we stop going to

2196
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 1: the Moon. So we had this incredible journalist and space

2197
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: historian and expert Andrew Chaikin, who wrote an amazing book

2198
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: called A Man on the Moon, which then Tom Hanks

2199
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 1: made into an HBO mini series in the late nineties

2200
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 1: I think called From the Earth to the Moon. I

2201
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 1: think something like that, but it's it's the best. It's

2202
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 1: like twelve hours long. It's like it's so long, but

2203
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: it's like the most thorough, amazing document of the Apollo

2204
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 1: program that I've ever seen. It's really great. So we

2205
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: have this historian on and we were talking about that

2206
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 1: and he mentioned Shatner coming down. He mentioned what you

2207
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: said about how he phrased it slightly less lovecraft Dan.

2208
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:09,840
Speaker 1: He said something like, yeah, Shatner said that going up

2209
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 1: to space, I wasn't really focused on space at all.

2210
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 1: I just kept looking back at Earth and it made

2211
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 1: me realize how beautiful Earth was, which I mean, the

2212
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 1: sentiment is true. I mean, Earth is a lifeboat basically

2213
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 1: in the vast blackness of space. And there's also a

2214
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:30,600
Speaker 1: phenomenon called the overview effect. And there's a book called

2215
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:33,960
Speaker 1: the overview Effect that's been written about this, where basically

2216
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 1: studying the psychological effect of going into space, especially the

2217
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 1: people in the Apollo program, how it changed them in

2218
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 1: profound ways about how they just viewed life and humanity

2219
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 1: and you know, in ways you could probably expect but

2220
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 1: not truly internalize, which is like, you know, it's just

2221
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:56,080
Speaker 1: the ultimate perspective check. He's going to the moon and

2222
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: looking back at everything you knew, everyone you knew, everyone

2223
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 1: you've ever, everything that you know about existence is just

2224
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:04,720
Speaker 1: like you can stand on the moon and put your

2225
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 1: thumb up and like completely cover it with your thumb. Yeah,

2226
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:08,120
Speaker 1: I would like to.

2227
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean, just in case people thought I'm misrepresenting lovecrafting horror,

2228
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 2: I would like to read.

2229
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,320
Speaker 1: From the op ed that William Shatner wrote, oh please

2230
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 1: please about the experience. I'm not going to do it

2231
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 1: in his voice, although maybe I should, I should try it. Yeah.

2232
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 1: I love the mystery of the universe. I love the

2233
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:28,400
Speaker 1: mystery of it, all of the questions that have come

2234
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: to us over thousands of years of exploration and hypotheses.

2235
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 2: That's annoying, stars exploding years ago, They're light traveling to us,

2236
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, etc. All that has throwed me for years.

2237
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,400
Speaker 2: But when I looked in the opposite direction into space,

2238
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 2: there was no mystery, no majestic awe to behold.

2239
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 1: All I saw was death.

2240
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Speaker 2: I saw a cold, dark, black emptiness, unlike any blackness

2241
02:00:52,680 --> 02:00:56,000
Speaker 2: you can see or feel on Earth. It was deep, enveloping,

2242
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 2: all encompassing. I turned back toward the light of home,

2243
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:02,320
Speaker 2: the curvature of Earth, the beige of the desert, the

2244
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 2: white clouds, the.

2245
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 1: Blue of the sky. Everything I had thought was wrong,

2246
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 1: Everything I had expected to see was wrong. I had

2247
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:12,560
Speaker 1: thought that going into space would be the ultimate Catharsis

2248
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 1: of that connection I had been looking for between all

2249
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 1: living things, that being up there would be the next

2250
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 1: beautiful step to understanding the harmony of the universe. My trip,

2251
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,600
Speaker 1: Yes this is the pool quote. The contrast between the

2252
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 1: vicious coldness of space and the warm nurturing of Earth

2253
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 1: below filled me with overwhelming sadness. My trip to Space

2254
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a celebration. Instead it felt like

2255
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:38,960
Speaker 1: a funeral. Wow. I mean okay, first of all, yes,

2256
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 1: as a profound sentiment and very interesting, but also sure,

2257
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 1: he's probably a nightmare to work with. But to actually

2258
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:50,720
Speaker 1: have that awareness and be able to articulate it so beautifully, yeah,

2259
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:53,280
Speaker 1: I mean. Also, you know, the original series or whatever

2260
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: it was decades ago, and he was a young a

2261
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 1: younger man. I'm sure that there's been some life's beating

2262
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: him down enough. Yeah. I although I think him and

2263
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,200
Speaker 1: like Spack had a weird or him and nimoy I

2264
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 1: had a weird thing towards because.

2265
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:12,320
Speaker 2: Weren't they like, well, yeah, that's like cannot stand him. Yeah,

2266
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 2: has made it like a pillar of his personality in

2267
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 2: later years.

2268
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I hate Bill Shatner in a way that

2269
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 1: I sort of find off putting. Okay, Well, you know

2270
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: you hate a guy, you hate a guy, I mean,

2271
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 1: I think that's noble. I hate people I hate people

2272
02:02:26,720 --> 02:02:32,080
Speaker 1: I've worked with, and yeah, I never mind. Don't you

2273
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:33,720
Speaker 1: want to carry that with you for the rest of

2274
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:39,200
Speaker 1: your life. My stepbrother, he was graduating from UMass. Lowell

2275
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:41,920
Speaker 1: and Shatner came to speak at the commencement, and my

2276
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:46,240
Speaker 1: dad always talks about how moving the speech was, about

2277
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 1: how I don't remember all of the part that I

2278
02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:52,600
Speaker 1: always remember my dad especially being moved by was I

2279
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:54,880
Speaker 1: think it was right after Nimoy had died and he

2280
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 1: was talking about friendship and loss, and he said that

2281
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:02,080
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing and the toughest thing about losing but

2282
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 1: getting you in age, when you're starting to lose your

2283
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 1: friends in sure, you know, in rapid succession, was you

2284
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:11,440
Speaker 1: lose somebody to like fact check your memories with, which

2285
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 1: I thought was a very small but poignant but also

2286
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:19,880
Speaker 1: that's really devastating. Yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, And

2287
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was very touching. And I think about

2288
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:26,160
Speaker 1: that from time to time, that you know people that

2289
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:29,720
Speaker 1: you had these really intimate experiences with that there no

2290
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: longer there, and then suddenly it's like you're kind of

2291
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 1: left hoping you have it right in a sense, Yeah,

2292
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 1: this is making you feel a lot of feelings that

2293
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:40,680
Speaker 1: you don't like. Do you want to go back to

2294
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 1: your trailer? No? I mean I just think as much

2295
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:46,840
Speaker 1: as he's probably as a gigantic egon, as much as

2296
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:48,720
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to work with, I feel like

2297
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: he has a rich inner life. And I mean you'd

2298
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 1: have to to think spoken word was an art form.

2299
02:03:55,800 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 1: But sure that was great? Is incredible? You say that

2300
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:06,040
Speaker 1: you would actually like it. It's called has been and it's.

2301
02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 2: Where I know of the record because he has Joe Jackson,

2302
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:15,720
Speaker 2: Joe Jackson and he covers a pulpse common Sorry. Yeah,

2303
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:18,680
Speaker 2: it's a great performance from Joe Jackson. Oh yeah, Joe

2304
02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:20,440
Speaker 2: Jackson whips So Jackson's incredible.

2305
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:25,120
Speaker 1: Not that Joe Jackson, not not no, no, yeah. The

2306
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 1: English guy contemporary of Elvis Costello, who did go out

2307
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 1: with him, Yes, and the rest. I'm shocked. You know him,

2308
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem like something. He's English. So that's one

2309
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:36,240
Speaker 1: reason why I'm shocking, you know. I you know what

2310
02:04:36,280 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: it was, dude. It was one of the g TA soundtracks.

2311
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 1: Had had one of his songs on one of the

2312
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,879
Speaker 1: rings look Sharp or something like that, or stepping out,

2313
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 1: stepping out, stepping out and it was just got stuck

2314
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:52,839
Speaker 1: in my head and I was like, who is this song? Rules?

2315
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 1: That sounds?

2316
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 2: And the second I found that he has a song

2317
02:04:54,640 --> 02:05:00,040
Speaker 2: called Everybody's.

2318
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 1: Everything gives You Cancer? There's no kill, There's no answer. Yeah,

2319
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 1: A seven out whips. Yeah. That whole album's great night

2320
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:09,360
Speaker 1: and day or no day and night. Great album. Wow

2321
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:16,120
Speaker 1: we went we ventured far off anyway. Oh, we never

2322
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:19,080
Speaker 1: actually said what William Shattener had to say about Galaxy Quest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what William Shattner had to say about Galaxy Quest.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was very funny, and I thought the

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Speaker 1: audience that they portrayed was totally real, but the actors

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Speaker 1: that they were pretending to be were totally unrecognizable. And

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Speaker 1: he said that with a laugh.

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Speaker 2: So good for him, I say, bully for him. Yes,

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Speaker 2: in a rare moment of self awareness. Okay, so ever,

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Speaker 2: since the success of the film, you know, doubled its budget.

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Speaker 2: That's not nothing. People have been talking about a sequel.

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Speaker 2: Tim Allen mentioned in the MTV Oral History, this was

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Speaker 2: published in twenty fourteen that there was a script already

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Speaker 2: written in Sigourney Weaver and Sam Rockwell mentioned that they

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Speaker 2: would both be interested in returning A year later. In

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Speaker 2: April twenty fifteen, Paramount Television, along with the movie's co

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Speaker 2: writer Robert Gordon, director Dean Parasat, and the OG executive producers,

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Speaker 2: announced they were looking to develop a television series based

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Speaker 2: on Galaxy Quest, positioned similarly to Paramount's revivals of Minority

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Speaker 2: Report and School of Rock as television series, but because

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Speaker 2: no one takes Paramount seriously. By August of twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: it was announced that the series was off Paramount and

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Speaker 2: on at Amazon Studios. However, Alan Rickman's death in January

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Speaker 2: of twenty sixteen shut that down. On the nerdst podcast

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Speaker 2: in April twenty sixteen, Sam Rockwell revealed that the cast

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Speaker 2: had been about ready to sign on for a follow

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Speaker 2: up with Amazon, but Rickman's death, together with Allen's television schedule,

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Speaker 2: proved to be insurmountable obstacles. A year after that, in

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Speaker 2: November of twenty seventeen, Paul Sheer was announced as the writer,

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Speaker 2: and he said that his first drafts for Amazon had

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Speaker 2: been delivered. However, after Amy Powell's exit as president of

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Speaker 2: Paramount Television in July twenty eighteen, Sheer said that the

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Speaker 2: Galaxy Quest series had been put on hold while Paramount

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Speaker 2: Management was being re established. As recently as early twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, Tim Allen said that a film sequel script

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Speaker 2: was nearly ready to go, having been heavily reworked following

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Speaker 2: Rickman's death. The world was understandably not as interested at

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Speaker 2: this point in US history. In June of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: Georgia Pritchett claimed that she had she and Simon Pegg

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Speaker 2: were working on developing Galaxy Quest television series, and most

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Speaker 2: relatively recently, in April of twenty twenty three, Paramount said

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Speaker 2: that they were in the early stage of developing a

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Speaker 2: Galaxy Quest series for their streaming service, with production overseen

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Speaker 2: by Galaxy Quest's original producer Mark Johnson. You know, like

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, I completely forgot how good this movie is

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Speaker 2: until we got a pitch for it. And Sam Rockwall,

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Speaker 2: I think, really hit it on the head in the

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Speaker 2: MTV Oral History. He said, somebody must have sprinkled fairy

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Speaker 2: dust on that movie, because everything just clicked into place

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Speaker 2: somehow in the long run. And I agree, every single

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Speaker 2: thing about it works. And this movie, like you said,

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Speaker 2: like you said earlier, you on this idea of a

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Speaker 2: mid budget parody with you know, actual sets and actors

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Speaker 2: and everything. Those movies are gone, they are phased out

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Speaker 2: and Star Trek reference. But of them, I think Galaxy

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Speaker 2: Quest has like serious legs. It might be one of

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Speaker 2: the most influential of any of these movies. For starters,

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Speaker 2: It's lightly irreverent, more gentle, comedic tone towards Star Trek

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Speaker 2: basically anticipated the tone that noted hack jj Abram that

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Speaker 2: would take with his two thousand and nine reboot of

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Speaker 2: Star Trek and then later years following not one but

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Speaker 2: two shows Star Trek Lower Decks and Seth MacFarlane series.

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Speaker 2: The Orville took this whole parody with love approach to

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Speaker 2: Star Trek, and I think more trenchantly, Galaxy Quest basically

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Speaker 2: predicted how twenty first century fandom would evolve. You know,

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Speaker 2: fan conventions have gone from the opening scene in this movie,

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Speaker 2: which are depicted as quasi sad, to these huge tent

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Speaker 2: pole features every year, with major studios debuting trailers and

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Speaker 2: making cast announcements. An entire online ecosystem of coverage has

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Speaker 2: cropped up specifically around cons now with like costumes and

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Speaker 2: all the you go to the celebrity panels, and every

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Speaker 2: single minute quote from that is overanalyzed, and even just

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Speaker 2: the very power that fan bases would have is somewhat

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Speaker 2: depicted by this movie. You know, Family Guy was canceled

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Speaker 2: like two years later, and fan campaigns brought it back.

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Speaker 2: Same thing that happened with Firefly. Firefly was canceled and

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Speaker 2: then they made a movie about it, spurred by the

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Speaker 2: reaction of the fans to it, and coming out six

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Speaker 2: months after The Phantom Menace, Galaxy Quest offered this very

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Speaker 2: rosy eyed view of the power of fandom, especially on

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Speaker 2: the Internet with all of these niche message boards and

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Speaker 2: fan sites, and it was a very positive model for

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Speaker 2: cinematic fandom that hadn't even gotten underway yet, that would

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Speaker 2: only gain steam with the success of Lord of the

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Speaker 2: Rings franchise. The Fellowship came out in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: one Harry Potter, and then of course the Marvel Cinematic Universe,

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Speaker 2: and now we're at this stage where fandom has started

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Speaker 2: to curdle. As I mentioned in a different podcast, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're at this point where fan reaction on Reddit can

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Speaker 2: dictate the entire direction of a remake series, as famously

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Speaker 2: happened with the Last Jedi, and then that direct that

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Speaker 2: film's director Ryan Johnson being booted from the Star Trek

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Speaker 2: franchise in favor of jj Abrams, who made the essentially

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Speaker 2: remake of a New Hope that is called The Force Awakens,

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Speaker 2: and then the absolute steaming pile of dog called Rise

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Speaker 2: of Skywalker third film. Anyway, I could get sappy about

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Speaker 2: all this. I could have a finely crafted kicker that

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Speaker 2: explored the impact of what it means to truly love

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Speaker 2: a piece of media and how that can curdle into obsession.

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Speaker 2: But instead I'm just going to quote Sigourney Weaver's character

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Speaker 2: Gwen DeMarco. Whoever wrote this episode should die. Thank you, folks,

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Speaker 2: this has been too much information. I'm Alex Heigel and

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Speaker 2: I'm Jordan run Tag. We'll catch you next time.

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