WEBVTT - HR2: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 13


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<v Speaker 2>Our number two of the drive here live on campus

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<v Speaker 2>of course, at Saint Vincent College, all part of our

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing training camp coverage out here in beautiful Lake Trobe.

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<v Speaker 2>Another beautiful day today. Steelers got out there early, a

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<v Speaker 2>lighter practice to more to go, Matt. I would imagine

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be a little more ramped up than they were today, probably,

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<v Speaker 2>but you also never know. It's a it's a new year,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a new system. Looks like there's some potentially some

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<v Speaker 2>home run derby or some stuff going on over there,

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I don't know if that's the Saint Vincent

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<v Speaker 2>team or if that's some of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's the Steelers or not. I

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<v Speaker 3>bet it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it is, actually, because right now, Matt

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<v Speaker 2>actually down to our right at the Fred Rodgers Center

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the hill, Keanu Benten is doing

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<v Speaker 2>his extension press conference as we speed right now, Keanu

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<v Speaker 2>Bettan's at the podium down there. Maybe we can get

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<v Speaker 2>you some of that audio in the next two hours,

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<v Speaker 2>better before week before we.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine being a yeah, signing that extension. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>so there's life changing stuff. I mean, it happens all

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<v Speaker 3>the time in sports, but just forget these are young men.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he twenty six or something like that, and it gets

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<v Speaker 3>to sign an eighteen million dollars deal and congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty cool. And obviously I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>saw this stuff, Matt, but I don't think anyone's more

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<v Speaker 2>fired up than Nick Herbig, who also signed his extension

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this summer. Those two are best.

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<v Speaker 3>It's cost best.

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<v Speaker 2>They go back to college time together. And Benton was

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<v Speaker 2>at Herbig's press conference after he signed his deal. Herbig

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<v Speaker 2>is down there right now, sitting in for Benton's those

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<v Speaker 2>two best friends, Badgers and Badgers. And yet, hey, if

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<v Speaker 2>they both end up playing out every year of their extension, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be you know, over a decade that they ended

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<v Speaker 2>up playing from college to the pros with your best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really cool. I hadn't thought of.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Matt. Thursday night, the Steelers first preseason game and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight to nine victory over the Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>plenty to like. There are some things that need cleaned up,

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<v Speaker 2>as always, but I think we certainly left there all

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<v Speaker 2>of us with positive vibes and thoughts in those things

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<v Speaker 2>from the first preseason game, most notably, Matt, because one,

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<v Speaker 2>you got through it without any major injuries, which is

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<v Speaker 2>always maybe the first boxing you want to check. And

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<v Speaker 2>number two because we finally got our first look at

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<v Speaker 2>the two young quarterbacks and they did not disappoint.

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<v Speaker 3>They sure didn't. And I think we can lump. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess we had got to start with the quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I think so. I was trying to when we

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<v Speaker 2>were in break. I was like, oh, literally want to start.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's talking about the quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>My producer Bran kicks in. I'm like, let's do something different.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'm like, no, you idiot, Like that's the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Lead the special penalties, you know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I had this, you'll like this. I had this, U,

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<v Speaker 2>I had this. Alex he was the GM of the

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<v Speaker 2>college radio station when I was in Morgantown, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was probably in his forties and had worked in radio

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<v Speaker 2>forever and was a good dude. Yeah, And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>one time he said to us, he was like, never

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<v Speaker 2>try and bury the story. He's like, when you turn

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<v Speaker 2>on the news at night, they're not like, all five

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<v Speaker 2>people got shot downtown. We'll talk about that in twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like they lead with it. The biggest story

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<v Speaker 2>of the day is what you lead with. And the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest story from Thursday night is the play of the

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<v Speaker 2>two young quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to lump Mason Rudolph in there too,

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<v Speaker 3>because first off, this to sound like I'm being negative

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<v Speaker 3>towards these three quarterbacks. By no means am. I I

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<v Speaker 3>was very, very impressed with the three of them. All

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<v Speaker 3>are in particular, I thought really out kicked my expectations,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, considering he's the youngest of the group. I

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<v Speaker 3>think he's the most rat of the group, and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he was the most consistent of the group, but collectively,

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<v Speaker 3>all three of them did really, really well. Now what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going with with this is, first off, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to recognize I thought the Packers' defense that they put

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<v Speaker 3>out there was pretty darn poor, especially as the game

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<v Speaker 3>went on. Their depth issues are problematic. There were some

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<v Speaker 3>blown coverages, but you gotta take advantage of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But where I'm going with this, to me, the lead,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's easy just to look at quarterbacks and draft

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<v Speaker 3>doll players. To me, the lead is the work McCarthy's

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<v Speaker 3>done with that position. I mean, the efficiency, the crispness.

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<v Speaker 3>You can see how well they've been instructed behind the

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<v Speaker 3>scenes and on this field, and even his play calling

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<v Speaker 3>has a different flavor to it, and throwing over the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've used the word efficient for the quarterback play

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<v Speaker 3>and the passing game overall nine thousand times since the

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<v Speaker 3>game endedish and of fish and efficient, crisp. Everyone's very

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<v Speaker 3>confident in their read on time. When plays break down,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't become disasters, you know. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that was if one of them looked great,

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<v Speaker 3>and the other two were. I don't want any of

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of all over the place. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be calling out McCarthy and praising him first and foremost.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that all of them were not carbon copies

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<v Speaker 3>of each other, but played to their strengths really operated

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<v Speaker 3>the offense, I think, really screams that this coaching staff

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<v Speaker 3>has changed things and is making an impact.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very that's a very good observation from you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on that one, because you're right. If

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<v Speaker 2>it was just Mason Rudolph, or if it was just

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Aller, then you you could make five unbelievable right,

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<v Speaker 2>But it is easy to forget because all the attention

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<v Speaker 2>was on the two young guys. And I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>call will Will Howard a rookie, but it is almost

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<v Speaker 2>like the two rookie time. But Mason Rudolph ten for eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>nice and efficient h A twenty five all three quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt had an explosive completion too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they drove the ball down the field, they went

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<v Speaker 3>fourth and fourth down, They threw in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the field. They shut the guys up for run after

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<v Speaker 3>the catch.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Four explosive plays in the past game, plus

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen yard of de Ben's chronic So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>about a yard away from being a fifth explosive in

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<v Speaker 2>the past game, because of course that's a twenty or

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<v Speaker 2>plus yard reception. For those of you who are new

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<v Speaker 2>and have not heard, Matt and I lament explosives to

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<v Speaker 2>death here over the offseason. Also, though no explosives for

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay on offense, the Steelers defense did not give

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<v Speaker 2>up an explosive in the run game ten or more yards,

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<v Speaker 2>did not give up an explosive in the past game,

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<v Speaker 2>or for twenty of our more yards or a touchdown

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<v Speaker 2>for that matter. But talk to me about those those

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<v Speaker 2>two young quarterbacks. We'll go. Let's go in chronological order here.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that I really liked about Will Howard is

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<v Speaker 2>Matt I was kind of waiting to see just what

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<v Speaker 2>his nerves, what his body language looked like, because.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this was like a rookie moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would have been understandable for him. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been sitting and waiting for a year and a half. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't played a football game since Ohio State beat

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame for the national championship in January of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's a lot long.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long time ago. And since then the Steelers

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<v Speaker 2>went out and drafted a third round quarterback behind him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would have been very understandable if he

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<v Speaker 2>was like so, he sails a couple of throws, he

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<v Speaker 2>makes a mental, is just so jacked up, so excited,

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<v Speaker 2>so ready to go that he almost overplays it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were there, I'm sure the crowd really reacted

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<v Speaker 3>when the second and they did for both young guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the second he runs out there, they now

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<v Speaker 2>entering the game, number eighteen out in the place goes

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<v Speaker 2>nuts and it's like, okay, here we go. Let's see

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<v Speaker 2>how this is gonna look. And it's a two minute

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<v Speaker 2>drill opportunity for him in there at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the second quarter too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was his highlight if it was running

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<v Speaker 3>the two minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>If he would have came out and had some jitters,

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<v Speaker 2>had some nerves, maybe fire to pass too long, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a short route he guns it in there too heavy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have understood it. He's been championed at the

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<v Speaker 2>for a year and a half to get back out

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<v Speaker 2>on the field, but I thought he looked cool, calm

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<v Speaker 2>and collected. I was very impressed by that.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought so too, And again I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>on most display during the two minute drill. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>he handled that very very well, had a real strong understanding.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that's something they practice out here a lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this staff is very into the two minute drill before.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget the defense didn't hold up so well in

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<v Speaker 3>the two minute drill after Howard's two minute drill, So

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<v Speaker 3>half of the two minute stuff went well, half didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that really stood out to me with Howard

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<v Speaker 3>that has to be part of his game because he's

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<v Speaker 3>not as gifted of a thrower. Of the four of them,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the least gifted thrower and by no means as

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<v Speaker 3>he rogers, and he's not really close to Aller in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of arm talent. But when he has to move

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<v Speaker 3>his feet and reset, he did that really well without

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<v Speaker 3>having to totally you know, start from scratch. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like Brady's the best example ever of just little subtle

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<v Speaker 3>moves and not having to you know, reset my entire

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<v Speaker 3>mechanics and being able to throw on platform despite being

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<v Speaker 3>moved off my spot. You know, I thought that that's

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<v Speaker 3>something that's going to have to happen for him, because

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<v Speaker 3>if you're Mahomes or Rogers or whatever, and I get

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<v Speaker 3>moved off my spot and I'm not in a comfortable position,

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<v Speaker 3>I may throw this crazy sight arm laser that only

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<v Speaker 3>superheroes can do, you know. So that was something that

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<v Speaker 3>stood out to me. Accuracy in general composure great, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very impressed. Yeah, seven of nine eighty six

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<v Speaker 2>yards almost had the touchdown pass but was was ruled

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<v Speaker 2>down upon further review and then hammered home by Lou Nichols.

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<v Speaker 2>But I liked that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was another one. I mean, some of it

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<v Speaker 3>was the play never should have lasted as long as

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<v Speaker 3>it did. But it felt like that play went off

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<v Speaker 3>for like ten seconds, like he was like doing his

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<v Speaker 3>bend impersonation. He shrugged off a guy and you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, absolutely right, and then found the open man right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had kind of slipped him between the coverage

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<v Speaker 2>of the defense. And then more on Bernard later by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, Oh, we're gonna have more on the receivers

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<v Speaker 2>and some of these running backs too. But Drew Aller

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<v Speaker 2>then comes in and obviously, once again the anticipation rises,

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<v Speaker 2>the place is ready to go, and I think not

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<v Speaker 2>quite to the extent of Howard, But I also would

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<v Speaker 2>have understood if there would be some nerves, some miscues,

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<v Speaker 2>some misfires, and Matt he goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten long times. Does he played the game too, because.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good point, ten of thirteen, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty three yards. Of course, the two touchdown passes

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<v Speaker 2>and the touchdown run. It is as you mentioned, it

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<v Speaker 2>is not like the Green Bay Packers defense was bathing

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<v Speaker 2>themselves in glory.

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<v Speaker 3>No they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>And you always have the footnote of you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>playing against third and four stringers, of course, But every

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<v Speaker 2>time I start to think that, I remember our, our,

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<v Speaker 2>our good friend Ton Jolkin, who used to always say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first step. If you can't beat the stiffs,

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<v Speaker 2>you are a stiff yep, you gotta start somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look like you belong and you start beating up

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<v Speaker 3>on the guys that are borderline players.

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<v Speaker 2>And Drew Aller looked like he belonged and was beaten

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<v Speaker 2>up on some borderline players.

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<v Speaker 3>To a degree I never would have expected to be honest,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was tremendous again, I thought he went

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<v Speaker 3>through his reads extremely well. Yes, he got a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of yardage to Wigian on a quick hitter, but if

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<v Speaker 3>you watch that play, and I do want to watch

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<v Speaker 3>it again, I was talking to Chris Hallick about this.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like the ball was snapped or even pre snap.

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<v Speaker 3>He's dropping back and I think he wanted to go

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<v Speaker 3>to a tight end first and even and he got

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<v Speaker 3>off at number one immediately knowing the slant was there

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<v Speaker 3>because there was a linebacker that was in his path,

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<v Speaker 3>so before he even got to the top of his drop.

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<v Speaker 3>And I need to think about the play again. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember for he's a shotgun or not, but it

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<v Speaker 3>really became decision time. It was not late in the

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<v Speaker 3>down at all. And by the way, his time to

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<v Speaker 3>throw was very low. You think of him being a

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<v Speaker 3>big arm run around. It was quick, quick, quick, quick, quick,

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<v Speaker 3>and he still got to his second read hits wigion

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<v Speaker 3>and stride. He did the rest, of course, and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk about him a lot, I'm sure too, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a good example of Yeah, it's not real complex

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<v Speaker 3>route combinations yet either against not real complex defenses, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>but boom, he's really crisp, and again his time to

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<v Speaker 3>throw being as low as it was and still putting

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<v Speaker 3>up those kind of numbers without nickel and Diamondya was

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<v Speaker 3>says a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think those two matt had the kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>composure of what you would expect from Mason Rudolph. You know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you expect Mason Rudolph to be a professional quarterback. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be perfect out there, but he's a pro.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been in this league. He knows what he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>m and there. And I don't mean this as like

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<v Speaker 2>a knock to Mason. I mean this is a credit

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<v Speaker 2>to the two young guys. It was seamless from Mason

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<v Speaker 2>to those two. Yeah, you had some penalty stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we need to talk about, and we will at some

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<v Speaker 2>point when we get into some of the things you

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<v Speaker 2>want to see cleaned up from Thursday night. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you break that penalty stuff down, of like the eleven penalties,

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<v Speaker 2>I think six or seven were on special teams.

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<v Speaker 3>I say a lot. We're on special teams and they

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<v Speaker 3>were early.

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<v Speaker 2>And two were on Troy Foultanu early. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>it was procedural stuff. It's not like they were delayed

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get illegal because guys were lined up in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the wrong spot. I really like that, like Howard

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<v Speaker 2>and Aller had the same kind of cut of their

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<v Speaker 2>jib in the same kind of operation as the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's been in this league for a decade as a

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<v Speaker 2>backup and his professional and knows what he's doing. And

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<v Speaker 2>that gets back to your your beginning point, which again

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a really good one of Michael McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>knows what he's doing for quarterbacks and.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure Aaron Rodgers had some influence on that too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you see him coaching on that right.

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<v Speaker 2>He certainly did, and you love to see that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think he even might have had a headset in

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<v Speaker 2>or was involved with some of that stuff at different points.

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<v Speaker 3>But for command, I mean they were in control.

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<v Speaker 2>Good word to use, command control, comfortable professional quarterback play byes.

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<v Speaker 3>You have officially signed. So the press conference must be over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it has, And in fact, I think our buddy

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Becke of this radio network and of course Steelers

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com just sent me some audio of the Keanu

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<v Speaker 2>Benton press conference. So get a lot of different things

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<v Speaker 2>going on today. But I think you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>excited about that quarterback play. Now, I've seen some of

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<v Speaker 2>this already, Matt. I've seen the Will Howard Drew Aller

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<v Speaker 2>civil war starting on social media.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, you have to love one and hate

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<v Speaker 3>the other.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it works in modern day sports. Right, one's

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<v Speaker 2>the goat and the other is a bum. And I

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<v Speaker 2>also too, you know, I always tell you this.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone sent me a tweet after the game, like, do

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<v Speaker 3>you know who Aler's picking for his Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 3>inductee yet?

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<v Speaker 2>To who's he gonna have to give his speech?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he yet? That's funny?

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<v Speaker 2>And I also I always tell you this. I a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times I have to take the foot off

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<v Speaker 2>the gas when I try and gauge the consensus of

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<v Speaker 2>the public off of social media, because social media is

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<v Speaker 2>not the real world. Twitter and X and Instagram and

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook and TikTok and all that is not the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>But I I understand the hype. I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>it continue to grow. And I think this is it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good starting point.

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<v Speaker 3>That especially a tremendous start.

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<v Speaker 2>Tremendous starting. Yeah, it doesn't mean that both of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys are capable and you're ready to get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>Mason Rudolph. It doesn't mean that both of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>can be a franchise type quarterback and all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden we can close the book on potentially taking one

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't need do we need to stop the

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<v Speaker 3>on campus segment quite yet, But what.

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<v Speaker 2>It does matter is it also leaves all those doors

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<v Speaker 2>wide open for opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>They're more open. I mean every day. Again, I always say,

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<v Speaker 3>in this world, you're you stop swimming like a shark,

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<v Speaker 3>you die, you know, so every day your value either

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<v Speaker 3>goes up down or stay the same or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's not monotonous. Over the price exactly and clearly one

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<v Speaker 3>game and I don't think we even need the preface

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<v Speaker 3>that first game, the preseason, and we know all those things.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I'm not saying put them in Canton yet.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm even more open to you know what Jerry

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<v Speaker 3>Doulak has been saying. I can understand a reason now

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<v Speaker 3>you'd keep four, you know, I mean a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>better than I did three days ago, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. It doesn't mean I'm voting for that, but

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<v Speaker 3>all these things are fluid, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think Drew Aller will be first ballot

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<v Speaker 2>or will they make them wait a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>or that.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll prove the wait a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have you ever seen the movie Finding Nemo?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, just keep swimming, just keep swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>Just keep swimming. I want to see those two young

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<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks do some more swimming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they a lot more swimming.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple more practices out here, and then of course

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<v Speaker 2>another preseason opportunity Friday night against the Jets. We got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about some of these running backs. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about some of these wide receivers, particularly two

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<v Speaker 2>rookie ones. We've got to talk, unfortunately about some of

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<v Speaker 2>those penalty issues that we saw. Plenty more to get

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<v Speaker 2>into from that Steelers preseason game on Thursday night, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty eight to nine win over at the Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Packers, and will continue to dissect that thing as

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<v Speaker 2>we roll along here in our number two of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Number three. We don't go to the office, we build it.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously Matt and I are starting to plan out

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<v Speaker 2>the route for the Steelers' Super Bowl parade.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, all these guys are the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>After that Thursday night victory against the Packers, our lime

0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.560
<v Speaker 2>green line painting buddy, by the way, to give you

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<v Speaker 2>all update is he did pretty well, Matt, far side

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<v Speaker 2>of the field looks pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Good, looks like a successful mission.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're bringing them over to the Varsity field

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<v Speaker 2>or now to see if he can continue his good work.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll continue to keep an eye on all things.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they ever put numbers on that third field? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they do. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like they do it like the start of camp,

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<v Speaker 2>but then they kind of fade quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the only special teams there? They even use it

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<v Speaker 3>for anything. I can't even remember.

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<v Speaker 2>They use it for some special team stuff because there

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<v Speaker 2>is the one field goal post there and.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't look like the others by the way that

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<v Speaker 3>bothers me.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it looks like I wonder if that's

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<v Speaker 2>because they probably take it down I would imagine after

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure after camp.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's taller and it's an h instead of you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it's the it's the classic instead of uh.

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<v Speaker 3>You can smash into it if you go exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the two there's the two uh, the two legs

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<v Speaker 2>instead of just the one sexually located.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's extra tall.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it is extra tall right now. That's definitely got

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<v Speaker 2>to be a training camp thing. I can't imagine they

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<v Speaker 2>keep no.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet that doesn't stay there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh, the far field, Matt, I think gets used

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<v Speaker 2>for special team stuff like you mentioned it. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you'll see like the Jalen Ramsey's of the world

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<v Speaker 2>over there doing something. Yeah, that's work and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is, it's man, the field's looking very good condition.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they do for where we're at in training camp,

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<v Speaker 3>Layton camp here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, without a doubt. Matt continuing to react

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<v Speaker 2>to the Steelers twenty eight to nine preseason victory against

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers. And we got to talk a little bit here,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly about those rookie wide receivers Jeremy but norst Off.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought the whole rookie class was shown really well.

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<v Speaker 3>And you didn't even get to see the first pick,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you mentioned that because Noahkowski probably deserves a

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<v Speaker 2>shout ever in there to Everett certain Rubio.

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<v Speaker 3>Rubio, Yeah, yeah, he's a dude.

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<v Speaker 2>He is. He one of the more surprising guys that

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<v Speaker 2>has ever considered.

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<v Speaker 3>I know who he was and confiding out about him

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<v Speaker 3>when he get drafted.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Steelers drafted Rubio, and Matt Williamson goes, who, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's and he's not in the beast our buddy Dane.

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<v Speaker 3>Brugler a NFL dot commyn I have a picture of

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<v Speaker 3>the guy. He's a defensive tackle from Notre Dame. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not from Alcorn State. You know, you'd think you'd have

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<v Speaker 3>at least a picture of the dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Gab Rubio from sam Houston State, staying with he

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<v Speaker 2>went the Notre stinking Dame here. I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're right, the whole rookie class deserves a shout out.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, I was really.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no such sleepers anymore. But like that's a sleeper,

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<v Speaker 3>like if not anyone the whole media knows who he

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<v Speaker 3>is and found somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>In the modern era, a guy from Notre Dame that

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<v Speaker 2>nobody knows who he is. That's his nuts, that's nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just they probably have like two first round pick,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, defensive tackles. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, the next stuff on to it or somebody

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<v Speaker 2>like that. It's gonna, you know, go in the top

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<v Speaker 2>fifty here in the next year or so.

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<v Speaker 3>Like when they drafted Kevin Dotson, I thought he kind

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.119
<v Speaker 3>of was that mold too, Like nobody was talking about him.

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.160
<v Speaker 3>He didn't have a Combine invite. It was a smaller

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 3>school guy in his guard, you know. I mean, you

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:37.680
<v Speaker 3>can still find some information.

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:41.160
<v Speaker 2>On dude crazy. But uh, good on Rubio for making

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 2>everybody kind of uh pay attention to notice. Yeah, take

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.440
<v Speaker 2>some notice now, certainly, And we were noticing those rookie

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.600
<v Speaker 2>wide receivers. Matt Absolutely, we saw a lot of jermy

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.199
<v Speaker 2>early on five targets, four receptions, fifty one yards. He

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 2>had a explosive that he kind of created on his own,

0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.399
<v Speaker 2>broke a couple of tackles on the sideline there and

0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.200
<v Speaker 2>ended up taking what was probably a what a seven

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.159
<v Speaker 2>or eight yard gain and turning it into a twenty

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.440
<v Speaker 2>five yard gain. And then speaking of taking a short

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 2>gain and taking it along, how about Legion Two receptions

0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.120
<v Speaker 2>for seventy nine yards, including that explosive seventy four yard.

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Let's start with Weigen. I guess we didn't get to

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.639
<v Speaker 3>see him do a lot in the return game.

0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.679
<v Speaker 2>I should have mentioned that. I mean, he had a

0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.680
<v Speaker 2>couple opportunities, but no, really green grass situation.

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:26.479
<v Speaker 3>And that's the nature of the beast with that, you know.

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean, so I'm sure we'll get we'll see plenty

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.919
<v Speaker 3>of that going forward. But that made me wonder if

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.800
<v Speaker 3>the day they drafted him, did they have offense in

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 3>mind as well, because we all assumed he was just

0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 3>returner only, and I'm like, man fourth round pick for

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 3>a returner owner, he better beat Devin Hester, you know,

0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:45.920
<v Speaker 3>And no, one's going to.

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:47.119
<v Speaker 2>At least Dante hall Man.

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm like, well, that's not a very good

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.200
<v Speaker 3>draft class. It was a need. It kind of kills

0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.400
<v Speaker 3>two birds, Okay, but I don't think he's ever gonna

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.040
<v Speaker 3>play offense. And you see some of it out there,

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, out on the field here, and then I think,

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:01.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't want him to be a dree

0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.120
<v Speaker 3>archer gadget only offense guy.

0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:05.159
<v Speaker 2>That everyone knows what's coming with.

0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but my hunch is just seeing his usage and

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 3>as much as he did play and how they use them,

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 3>they might foresee him being you know, a real wide

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.240
<v Speaker 3>receiver in time. He needs some work, of course, but

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 3>he obviously has the speed and agility and body control

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 3>and by all accounts he's a hard worker and smart

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.920
<v Speaker 3>and typical Iowa guy and all that kind of stuff.

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they think a year from now he could be

0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 3>your third receiver or I mean, so maybe at least

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 3>open the idea that he's not just a returner in.

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Their eyes, which is what we're hoping for.

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'd be great if or he can do if.

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 2>He ends up being a high level returner, outstanding, right,

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>But if he can do that and contribute to the

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.560
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver room. Then you really start to live up

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to that fourth round billing.

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Because you know he's gonna be active on game day.

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.159
<v Speaker 3>So heaven forbid Metcalf and Rom and Wilson get hurt

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 3>in the same game he's out there.

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 2>We've seen those type of scenarios before. It happens, right,

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it absolutely happens, and so yeah, that that play listen again,

0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 2>it's you have to kind of I don't even know

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.639
<v Speaker 2>if grain assaults the right word, but just context. It

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.400
<v Speaker 2>was not the greatest defense from the Green Bay Packers,

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.439
<v Speaker 2>but that's what you're supposed to do. Wigan. To me

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 2>on that play, it was like if you give a

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.439
<v Speaker 2>mouse a cookie, like the Packers gave Weigen a yard

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.119
<v Speaker 2>and he took a mile, you know, And that's what

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 2>from those shifty, speedy, twitchy type guys, when given an

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>opportunity like that, that's what you want to see him do.

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:29.840
<v Speaker 2>And Matt, you know, he ends up getting tackled at

0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>like the two yard line, but yeah, when he broke

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.880
<v Speaker 2>away from that initial wave, it was almost like, as

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, I would have kind of been expecting Drew

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Aller Will Howard to like have some nerves have some

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 2>just those moments where you kind of lose your mind

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 2>for half a second. He kind of stumbled over it.

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 2>It was like he saw, he did, he saw, he

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 2>saw the clear path of the end zone and almost

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of tripped over his own feet for a second.

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Was still able though, despite doing that, to take it

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>down into the five yard line.

0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again, I don't think any of us need

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 3>to question his movements, skills, his speed, his breakaway ability,

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 3>vision with the football. All those things have been proven

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 3>in the return game. But if he can develop into

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:12.640
<v Speaker 3>a project wide receiver too that is not gimmicky and

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 3>can give you real snaps there at some point in

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 3>the next year or two. Great, But at least I'm

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 3>more open to that.

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Now I am too. And then Jeremy Bernard Matt a

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 2>good starting point for him. He looked the part in

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 2>terms of that physicality that you wanted to see with

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 2>shrugging guys off. Yeah, he was lined up in a

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 2>few different ways. Four receptions fifty one yards, including like

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that long twenty five yarder. I thought that's

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 2>a great starting point for him as well.

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:41.360
<v Speaker 3>It's really easy. I mean, every year draft knicks will

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 3>compare someone to Deebo Samuel, and it's not fair in

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 3>terms of just after the catch physicality. And a lot

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.360
<v Speaker 3>of people mentioned that with Bernard, he's not gonna They're

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>not gonna hand them the ball, and he's not gonna

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 3>run between the tackles, and he's not two hundred twenty

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 3>pounds and you know, but he's really good after the

0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 3>catch and is a physical force after the catch, which

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 3>the nature of these practices, you're not going to see

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 3>that here. You know, he's not going to run over

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, right, exactly right, but he's hard to get

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 3>on the ground. He's highly competitive. He's added a little

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 3>bit of weight since his combine two. He looks stronger, bulkier.

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's lost anything explosive wise whatsoever. Five

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:28.640
<v Speaker 3>of Rudolph's eleven targets went to him as the number one.

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, with the two top guys out, they used

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>him like a number one receiver. And I think that's

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.239
<v Speaker 3>very telling. And that's not a knock on Roman, but

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 3>I got to think that there's been a lot more

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 3>buzz about Roman Wilson than Bernard. Don't forget about this guy,

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 3>because I think he's the better prospect clearly. I mean,

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 3>if one of them had to get taken away from

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.360
<v Speaker 3>the team, I would definitely take Roman off the team

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 3>before Bernard. I hesitate to say it, but I think

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>he might be the biggest bright spot from this whole game.

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Bernard.

0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, use early in the game a lot on purpose,

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 3>did a lot on his own, was always where he's

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be. I think he's a chance to be

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 3>pretty good.

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't hate that map, but it, Yeah, that might

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that kind of player of the game.

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I think we gotta throw everyone's gonna throw aler there.

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>And I get proper Tanya into the conversation too, and

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 2>what he was.

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 3>Able to do, okay, because again I've been kind of

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 3>critical of him. There's been four or five I did

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 3>a podcast this the other day saying, I hope I'm

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 3>wrong because there's four or five I've had questions about

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 3>or I wanted to get challenged more. And Tanya was

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 3>a perfect example that I'm like, I don't. I hope

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 3>he just doesn't kind of grandfather didn't do right. Yeah,

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 3>and boy, he looked like I've done this for a

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 3>long time and I haven't lost anything. And it's a

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 3>preseason game. And if you're gonna give me a crease,

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna destroy it. Give me the ball when the times,

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, when uh it matters most, Drive me the

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 3>football over the middle. Do a little bit after the

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:58.440
<v Speaker 3>catch moved. Well, I'm not saying I hated him before anything,

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 3>but I have less doubts. I mean, if he's your

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 3>third tight end now, I feel a lot better about

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 3>it than a couple of days ago. Starting to warm

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 3>up to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a little bit.

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 2>You're right, he looked like kind of that that guy

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 2>who still needs to prove it but also is probably

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're done it been, they're done that past the

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>point of a preseason game. But at his age and

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 2>where he's kind of been the last couple of years,

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 2>you still love to see him doing that.

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure through his eyes, like he's looking at those

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 3>backup safeties going you're leaning left. I mean, you're it's

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 3>like playing a poker against you know, rookies. You know,

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 3>like you have such a towel, Yeah, you have such

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 3>a towel. And I'm just gonna lean one way and

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 3>get this open area. And the quarterbacks found him over

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 3>and over.

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Our buddy Max Starks has this thing that he does

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.480
<v Speaker 2>where when it's a he calls it the barbecue chicken

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 2>match up. Sometimes it's like this guy better cook that guy.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And he always does this you gotta you got. He

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>usually does it with offensive lineman, right, bet yeah, and

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know, like Zach Fraser, you better dominate

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy. You need to be licking your fingers barb

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>barbecue chicken. And I was we were laughing about that

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.479
<v Speaker 2>during one of the breaks during the broadcast where I

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 2>was like, Max, you think Tanian's lining up every plague

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 2>barbecue chicken? Yeah, four receptions for sixty one yards and uh.

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 3>And I think he now is like the older brother,

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's I think pretty squarely in the drive's sept

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 2>for that tight end three spot.

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Bell was the other one in the mix, and he

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 3>did a couple of little things too.

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 2>He did, Yeah, he certainly did. I also liked what

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 2>we saw from Riley Nowakowski. Matt, you know, didn't get

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>as much use as a lot of these guys, but

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I always think it's important, you know, him and Aler

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 2>they had that opportunity to connect on the touchdown pass.

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Probably that's more on Noakowski, I think so.

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I think Noakowski would tell you, and I'm sure he

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>was probably asked about this in the post game and

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>he probably did say I just didn't hear it that

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>I need to catch that. It wasn't a perfect throw

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>from Drew, but it was still within my catch radius.

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Drew would probably tell you I should have placed it better,

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>but Riley would tell you I still should have caught it.

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 3>I think he makes it. I think he should make

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 3>that catch eight or nine times out of time.

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But but what I really like is, what was it

0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>a drive or two drives later, they have an opportunity again,

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>they link up. He kind of that you know, you

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>make a mistake like that and you could kind of

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>hang your head and oh man, that was my opportunity

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I could have scored in a preseason game and all that.

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>You get another opportunity, you come good on it. I

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>also liked seeing some of the usage of him and

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 2>some of those goal line situations.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I put him in motion before the snap too.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they got a plan for him in a

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 3>full back.

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>In general, we're still I don't want to say early doors, Matt,

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>but a lot can still change between now in final

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 2>cutdown day. But I think Tanya and Noah Kowski they're

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>in less something drasamtically changes. They're they're making this team.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 3>I would think so. I would think so, And I'm

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 3>more comfortab about it now than ever.

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you on that one, and I your

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 2>your point about the kind of rookies overall is well taken.

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 3>That whole class, shine man.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>They sure did. They sure did.

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 3>And even I've heard a lot of complaints about the

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 3>rookie class. Like, Okay, I like some of these players,

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 3>but no, they we're gonna help him this year. Well

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 3>that kind of is a good problem, you know, Like

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Parcels used to have a theory, every rookie I start

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 3>is a loss. If I start three three rookies, that's

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 3>lost right of the bat, you know, because they're gonna

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 3>make a mistake, they just screw something up and you know, right,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 3>But like if all those guys keep getting bad, they

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 3>still showed really really well. I mean, the bottom of

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 3>the roster I thought did really really well in this game.

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on that too. The one guy who

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>would have liked to see a little bit more from

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>was Eli hyden Reich nine carries for twenty one yards,

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and you and I have discussed this. I just I

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's a running back.

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't want to handle them ball between the tackles.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>And if you do some of that stuff with him occasionally,

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>for sure, fine, But I would like to see him

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>used more in the past game. But he did get

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>some opportunity nine carries for twenty one yards. I just

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm with you. I don't I don't know

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>about him running the ball between the tackles they were doing.

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's a jack of all trades. I hope

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 3>he's not a master of none. Where again, that he

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 3>could be the Connor Hayward where you're happy he's on

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 3>the field if you're the defense, just because he's good

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of things. But where's he really gonna sting me?

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Here's your nickname? You don't listen to. I mean, I

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 3>watched the game, so I listened to the chodcast, So

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I guess I got a kick out of he's a

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Swiss Army knife, right, but they're calling him the Swiss

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Navy knife. Navy that that's pretty good.

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we saw a lot of middle of the field

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 2>usage for the offense too, Matt. I know that was

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>exciting for the for the viewing audience.

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Huge. Now that doesn't mean Aaron should throw in the middle.

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 3>He's been reluctant, and he's been reluctant going back to

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 3>those Jets days. This offense clearly incorporates much more over

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 3>the field throwing, and that is extremely encouraging to me,

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 3>and it's been something that's been lacking for a long time.

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 3>It's also because the quarterbacks they brought in here aren't big.

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm throwing over the middle of field, and frankly, smartly

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Tomlin doesn't want Duck to throw over the middle of

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 3>the field and some of those type of dudes. So

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 3>I loved it. It's clearly in the playbook. But it's

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 3>been in the playbook more than we've seen in the

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 3>past too. I think you're crazy not to embrace it

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 3>and go deeper into that realm than you did these

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>previous years or Aaron's first year here. But I guess

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 3>see a couple games the regular season with him throwing,

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, in breaking routes and things like that, that

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 3>totally buy in because you can call all you want,

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 3>but especially as quarterbacks have had such success. They're gonna

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 3>play it their way.

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>They absolutely are. Yeah, especially a four time MVP, future

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Famer. Yeah, Matt, I do want to get

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to some concerns in our kind of final segment here

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of the four o'clock hour. But first, two more names

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that I think deserve a shout out. Sante Samuel.

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 3>You know, we've been great every step of the way.

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>And one of those things with I don't want to

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>say unproven guys because the Sante Samuel's been in the league.

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's had his moment, He's.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Had his moments, certainly, but when there's guys that are

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of the darling of training camp, you want to

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>see him translate it to in stadium right in between.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 2>As much happens, it does not always happen, and it

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 2>happened with a Sante Samuel on Thursday night.

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I love that he seems to get hands on the

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 3>football every time you watch them.

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>You see we've seen that every day out here, and

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you see it, you see it in the game on Thursday.

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I love it when the training camp reports, uh translate

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 2>to in stadium and those opportunities between the white lines

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and the man. Why a black not a ton of usage.

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 2>But he was just he was, I thought, blowing people

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>up and UH and was real kind of disruptive there

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of UH, in the middle of the defense.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see more of the big man

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 2>doing that.

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I kind of mentioned when we were talking about Porter.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Having Samuel as a reserve is a wonderful situation. And

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Dean does have a checkered history in terms of staying

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 3>on the field, and Porter currently isn't under a long

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 3>term contract all those things. I wonder if he's making

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 3>the staff go. When we're in nickel, do I have

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 3>to get Samuel out there somehow, or when we're in

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 3>dime or should we play more dime or you know

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 3>what I mean? Like, is he one of your best eleven?

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Is my point? There's he one of your best twelve

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 3>or thirteen maybe. I mean he's playing to that level.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>He's playing like an NFL starting quarterback, cornerback. I agree

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 3>on Black. Looks like he's getting off the ball quicker

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 3>than last year. He still plays high, which you could

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 3>get away with when you're that big and strong, especially

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 3>against backups and whatnot. But he's a force out there.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's definitely I forget to us. I'm talking

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 3>with Chris about it, like him and Harmon, and I

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 3>think Rubio fits this mold now too. They play big.

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean they have big, heavy hands, you know, the hammers,

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 3>and they they stunn you. They may or may not

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 3>run the best. They may not be Warren Sap out

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 3>there with swim moves and you know, rip moves and

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 3>counters and all those things, but you feel their presence.

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 3>They eat up a lot of space and they play big,

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 3>and they have long arms, and they're huge human beings,

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>They sure are. And looking forward to seeing more of that.

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>All right, when we return to close down the four

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 2>o'clock hour, we got to talk about cleaning up some

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 2>of these penalties, and we also have to talk about

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 2>where in the world is Carmen san Diego. I mean,

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.399
<v Speaker 2>where in the world was Caleb Johnson on Thursday night

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and what's going on with that running back room West Shuler,

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:17.239
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<v Speaker 2>Rolling along here on campus at Saint Vincent College, reacting

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to all of the busy news of the day, and

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>of course, the Steelers' first preseason game twenty eight to

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>nine over the Green Bay Packers victorious Thursday night at

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>home at Akershuer Stadium. In Mike McCarthy's debut, I always

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of wonder how that works though, right, Matt, because

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>it was his debut. But then we're gonna say that

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>again at the home opener against the Power. Yeah, it

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>is always funny to me how that works, like where

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>it's Yeah, it's like his debut, it's his first game

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>back home, it's against his old team. But then we'll

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of rehash all that whenever the Atlanta Falcons come

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 2>to town to start the regular season. But certainly a

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>good start. Matt and I outlined some of the individuals

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>that we were impressed by, also obviously pointing out the

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>fact that you make it out of there without any

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>major injuries, which is always a huge positive. Matt, though

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 2>there's always some stuff that you want to clean up. Yeah,

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 2>and didn't love all the penalties that we saw early on.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I know a few of them were on special teams.

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I also understand that is part of the process of

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>knocking off that rust. You're going to have penalties, You're

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>going to have stuff like that. Some of it I

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>can excuse, though some of it I didn't love to see.

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I think particularly those two holding calls that we saw

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>early on on Troy Faltano.

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there were two pretty glaring negatives to me in

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 3>this game. We can with varied amount of degree of

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 3>concern penalties, and to be fair, a lot of them

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 3>were early in the game. They were green Bay all

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden took a ton of penalties. Late in

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the game, they only had one penalty in the.

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>First I think like eight of the eleven were in

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the first half or something like that.

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I also think the O line as a

0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 3>whole did not have a good day, including Falton who

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 3>including the tackles overall.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought Dylan Cook struggled.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Broderick played a ton and was okay. You know,

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there weren't a lot of tackles available with

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Falton who only playing a small amount and on Shore

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>not playing at all. But I didn't think there were

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot of Now, there were some consistent pressure on quarterbacks,

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 3>there were some penalties, there were some miscommunication things, and

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 3>I didn't see a ton of great running lanes either.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 3>So I did not think this was a good offensive

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 3>line game. And clearly it was a penalty problematic game.

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 3>A couple people have tweeted me this, and I did

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 3>some homework on it before, you know, I told you

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I started building Matt's stats months ago.

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I think I know where you're going with this.

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And McCarthy led teams, his Cowboy teams are pretty

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 3>penalty are pretty highly penalized, and twenty twenty four, just

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 3>in terms of accepted penalties that they committed Cowboys were

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 3>the fourth most year before, second most year before that,

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 3>eighth most year before that, most accepted penalties in the

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 3>whole league. In twenty twenty one, twenty twenty they were

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 3>the eleventh most.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 2>So real quick, So basically his last four years as

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 2>a head coach, his team was top ten in penalties

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 2>in the NFL in a bad way, in a bad way. Yeah,

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And then the year before the last year before that,

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>they were eleventh. So just outside of.

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:17.839
<v Speaker 3>The top ten, and one of them they were most

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:22.280
<v Speaker 3>and one of them are second most. Now that's likely

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 3>a McCarthy thing. Penalties are a hard thing to judge

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 3>year to year. I mean, even if you look at Tomlin, Belichick, McCarthy,

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 3>guys that you know coached for twenty some years, Shula

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 3>is like one of the only ones. It's like consistently

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 3>real far one way or the other. Like the Dolphins

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 3>were always like the lowest penalized team in back of

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 3>then no mistakes. Now, maybe Dallas's organization just isn't as

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 3>buttoned up and the type of players they get or

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Lucy Goose.

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.479
<v Speaker 2>His time with the Packers was much better. Our buddy

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Ian pointed out, I didn't notice took. His numbers with

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the Packers were much better than they were in Dallas.

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, maybe Jerry and company will just take

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 3>guys that commit more penalties and they don't have as

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 3>big a problem with it and they draft that dude,

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 3>or maybe their guys aren't as smarter as disciplined or

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah. I mean, because it was a stint

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 3>with the Cowboys, but he's coached one game with the

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Steelers and penalties were a problem, and penalties were a

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 3>problem with you as Cowboys, So let's not ignore it,

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a balance there that we're looking to find. Yeah,

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and again, I think in your first preseason game there

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>is a level of penalization to just be expected.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I was just said too. I mean, preseason, you could

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>throw a lot of flags.

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:33.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can throw a lot of flags. The

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 2>referees I think at times do over flag in preseason

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>just to make sure these guys are learning and talking

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 2>about it. It feels like a lot of years we

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 2>freak out like, oh my goodness, they're throwing every time

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 2>someone touches the quarterback. They're throwing a flag every time

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>someone touches the wide receiver, they're throwing a flag and

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>then it gets dialed down a little bit in the

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 2>regular season.

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's always the points of emphasis too, like

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:55.760
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna throw a ton of flags.

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>On this and that. Yeah, And I think part of

0:40:58.640 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>that might have been, you know, we saw like a

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 2>couple like late hit like personal foul if you will.

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 3>I also had a theory watching the first quarter, and

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Scronic was one of them. I'm like, are these Steelers

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 3>that were carried over from last year just champion at

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 3>the bit to hit somebody? Because because usually by this

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 3>time they've done a lot of hitting and they finally

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 3>they're allowed to blast somebody. Yeah, that's like I just

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:25.719
<v Speaker 3>got to hit somebody. If I get a penalty in

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 3>the preseason, I don't care. I gotta get out of

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 3>my system.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of that generally in the

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 2>first preseason game, but especially when you're.

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Right when you're used to bagging right right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, camp Matt. I guess the last piece of this

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 2>that we need and we'll continue to talk about this.

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Game plenty tons right tomorrow too, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the last kind of big headline piece from

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>this game that we have to discuss is has the

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>bell told for Caleb Johnson just two carries for three yards.

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 3>The only way I can imagine it doesn't is if

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 3>they have a trade in place like today that they

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to keep him fresh or make sure he

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 3>didn't get her. I think Lou Nichols is kind of impressive.

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:08.399
<v Speaker 3>I think johnson usage, and going back to everything we've

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 3>seen really since he's drafted, implies that his seat is

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 3>red hot. I mean red hot because he doesn't offer

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 3>anything on special teams. I went and looked Lou Nickel,

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 3>I mean Lou Nichols. I don't know if he's good

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 3>or bad on him, but he was near the top

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 3>of the team in terms of special team snaps played.

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 3>He played ten, where ten or eleven was like the

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 3>most anybody played. I don't know if he's good or

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.319
<v Speaker 3>bad at it, but it makes me think that they

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 3>have Nichols ahead of Johnson, let alone Homer ahead of Johnson.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Who I mean, when Homer started the game, I was

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, oh, I.

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Was glad they didn't play Warren er Dowdell same. I

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 3>thought that was really fun.

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 2>If you would have said to me, Warren Daddle aren't

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna play who gets the first carry Caleb Johnson. Yeah.

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.439
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I even joked, I mean, I think last week

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 3>on this show that I might put a chip down

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 3>the Caleb Johnson leads the entire NFL in preseason rushing yards,

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.439
<v Speaker 3>that they might just run him like crazy, Yeah, show

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 3>us that you're worth it. But maybe they're like, we

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 3>already know that he's not for us, and I'm not

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 3>wasting the time on that. I want to see what

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Nichols and Homer can do. Homer had one bad past

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 3>block problem too, which isn't usually his thing, but I

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 3>thought that was noteworthy.

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Caleb Johnson had as many carries as Drew.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Aller, zero first half snaps, and I think he had

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 3>five snaps for the whole game.

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Less than Travis Homer, less than Eli hiden Reich, of course,

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>less than Lou Nichols. And hey, maybe it is just

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 2>been a foregone conclusion with his coaching staff as possible.

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's a square peg running back and we're

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 2>a round whole running system. You know, those top things

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 2>just happened.

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>He was definitely drafted for last year's scheme.

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And it could have just been as simple as that

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>that they don't think he fits what they're trying to do,

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and this has kind of always been the outcome. But

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised. I thought he would have had a

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 2>much bigger chunk of the pie in preseason, particularly in

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that first preseason.

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 3>As a junk at all, he got like no pie.

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 2>He got like a couple of little of the crumbs

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 2>left afterwards. That's about it. They couldn't even give him

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>any breadsticks or garlic knots either. No, no, he got nothing,

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>And so that to me was surprising. Hey, it could

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>always change you on Friday night.

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 3>I think it's talents to the Jets.

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's very telling, as you say a

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of times, Matt, these coaches, these gms, these owners,

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't have to come out and tell you exactly

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>how they think. You could just read your tea leaves.

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>You could just follow the cookie crumbs.

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 3>And the thing we always told you guys at Pitt

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 3>and the all coaches tell you this too is don't

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.240
<v Speaker 3>take it personally when I coach you hard, take it personally,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 3>and worry when no one coaches you at Haul, I

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 3>got no time for you because I've already written you

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 3>off very.

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Well stated, and it's it's not a foregone conclusion yet,

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 2>but it seems like that might be the case with

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Caleb Johnson.

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he's really swimming upstream at this point.

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Could you get a six round pick out of him?

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Someone had to adore him a year ago if he did.

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>And they're probably also looking at it right now to

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 2>cut that guy. Yeah, for free, two hours in the books,

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 2>another hour ago. You know what that means. To start

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the five o'clock hour. We will hit the tweets heavy

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>here when we return. You've got questions, comments, concerns, reactions.

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 2>You know where to get out of Sweatsheler, Matt Williamson.

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