1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky back with you. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: Buck. 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: We are. We're polishing it up today. We are going 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: to finish this Championship Foundation series here with the AFC 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: South and the AFC West. But first of all, how 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: you do man, Man? 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm good. 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: Look, I'm really excited about training camp kicking off. I'm 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: excited to get back to the season and this little 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: exercise that we're taking on where we're looking at all 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 3: the rosters, checking out the blues and just discussing it. 14 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: Kind of West appetite for when the football really kicks 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: off in a week and a half. 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, looking forward to getting out to practice, getting out 17 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: in the grass. There's something about that, just smelling the 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: grass and really the excitement that's in the air and 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: the optimism that's in the air. For those that don't 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: know from our day's scouting, Buck, I know we've mentioned 21 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: it before, but it was always interesting to me when 22 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: we would go on those August visits, difference in mood 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: versus when you would go in there maybe in a 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: in October or November visit after some of the scars 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: had shown up on some of these coaches. 26 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is always kind of funny to get 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 3: to this part of it. But right, like you get 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: all the great nation, all the stuff ahead of time, 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: and then it inevitably changes once the wins and losses 30 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: start pelling up. 31 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: Oh, this guy's gonna have a great year. 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: You're gonna love him. 33 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: He gonna play in the NFL for ten years. 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: One of the toughest guys. 35 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be I think he'll be the 36 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: best player in the conference. And then you come in 37 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: there in November, you're like, this guy, Now he doesn't work, 38 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: he's not tough. You know in this game, he didn't 39 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: do that game. Like what happened to this guy being 40 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: the best player on the planet, the best leader that 41 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: you've ever seen. 42 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is funny, and I just remember because like 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: a scouts, we always keep notsing you. You are one 44 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: who uses multiple pins. But you have the first visit 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: written in one pin and you get the background information. 46 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: Then you take another pin. 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: But this visit and sometimes sometimes the information is different. 48 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: Even though we ask the same questions, the information is 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: a little different a second go around, depending on how 50 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: many losses the team is taken. 51 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times too, it's like, you know, 52 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: we can't block this guy, we can't block him, and 53 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: it turns out, yeah, it wasn't that he was good. 54 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: This is the guys you got blocking are any good? 55 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: And now we've seen that over the course of a 56 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: few games. But anyways, I always enjoyed that time of 57 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: the year. All right, Buck, to reiterate, if you're just 58 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: checking us out here, we are doing a Championship Foundation series, 59 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: which is where NFL research our buddies there have come 60 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: up with the with the categories here to put these 61 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: guys in. It was kind of something we spearheaded, something 62 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: that we talked about on the pod for a long 63 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: time is what is a championship Foundation? And the way 64 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: we came up with it was, Okay, what's the core 65 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: you need to win? You need a quarterback. You need 66 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: three offensive playmakers, could be a variety of running backs, receivers, 67 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: tight ends however, but you need three of those. You 68 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: need three quality offensive linemen. You need two pass rushers, 69 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: could be outside guys, inside guys or common nation. And 70 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: you need three defensive playmakers in the back end. So 71 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: linebackers and secondary, so we limit it to just those spots. 72 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: You've got to put a name in each one of 73 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: those slots here, and that's what we've determined is kind 74 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: of the championship foundation. So then we have colors to 75 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: give you an example of what each team looks like. 76 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: So Blue blue chip player, top five to top ten player 77 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: at his position in league. Elite player. Green is a 78 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: very solid starter. You're not looking to replace him. He's 79 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: a very capable, good player. Yellow has some type of concern, 80 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: whether it's injury, whether it's age, whether it's a contract concern, 81 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: so it could be in the last year of his deal. 82 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: Pink is an unproven young player. And then Purple is 83 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: an unproven young player but has some blue chip potential. 84 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: A lot of those are first round picks, high draft picks, 85 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: rookies that have that blue. So Pink and Purple really 86 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: verdict still out on them. Then you've got Yellow, some 87 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: type of a concern. Green, solid blue is what you're 88 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: striving for here. So that's how we break this thing down, 89 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: and that's where we find ourselves Buck today, looking at 90 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: the AFC South and the AFC West. Before we get 91 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: to these teams, has there been anything like theme wise 92 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: that stood out to you. Any big picture takeaway from 93 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: where we are in this process at this point in time. 94 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the teams that are really committed 95 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: to the draft and developed model have done a really 96 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: good job of having a team that has sustainable success. 97 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: Meaning we spend a lot of time on the last 98 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: podcast talking about the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's not a 99 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: coincidence that the Cincinnati Bengals have been one of the 100 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: better teams in the league when you look at how 101 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: they've drafted, how they've developed their players, and even though 102 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: all those players having a sentence to the blue level, 103 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: they have enough green players that they're always in the conversation. 104 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: I think as a team builder, look, everyone would love. 105 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: To win the title each and every year, but what 106 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: you would like to do is have a team that 107 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: is always in the conversation. And the best way to 108 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: do it in today's game is to draft well, to 109 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 3: really commit to the development part of it, and then 110 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: to supplement those those solid nucleus or foundational pieces with 111 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: really good players, and that gives you a chance to 112 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: play at the championship. 113 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: Love. 114 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so far where we are, and again we've 115 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: got these last two divisions to do. There's been two 116 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: teams that have been a cut above everybody else that 117 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: would be in the NFC, the forty nine Ers from 118 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: their roster, their collection of blue chip players is pretty outstanding. 119 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: And then it's been the Baltimore Ravens. Those have been 120 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: the two teams with the deepest collection of blue players. 121 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: But we have yet to get to the AFC West, 122 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: and there is a team in the AFC West that's 123 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: won a few chips, so we'll see how they stack 124 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: up with the Ravens and the forty nine Ers roster wise, 125 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: we'll get to them after we finish up the AFC South. 126 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: That's where we're going to start today. We're going to 127 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: start with the Houston Texans, coming off of a ten 128 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: and seven season which saw them win the AFC South. 129 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: They are led by a I believe, the only twenty 130 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: two year old blue that we have in the league 131 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: right now, so that's pretty special. You have that at 132 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback position, with c J. Stroud to already be 133 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: in the blue category in his second season. You've got 134 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: Nico Collins, who I would argue as a blue buck. 135 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: He's listed as a green here I'll send that to 136 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: you to the judge. On Nico Collins, are you ready 137 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: to put him in the blue category or is he 138 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: a really good green? 139 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: No? 140 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: Look, man, I think he can be in the blue 141 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: category because I don't know if there's a better number 142 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: two receiver in the league than what he does. I mean, 143 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: Nico Collins is a terrific playmaker on the outside. 144 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: He can be a number one for most teams. 145 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he is a number one. So that's 146 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: that's an interesting one. That's a debate. But twenty five 147 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: years old, really good player there, then you know you've 148 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: got to pick your next guy. 149 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: Here. 150 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to actually go and this is crazy because 151 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, what he's accomplished is insane. But he's a 152 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: thirty year old. So if we're talking about, you know, 153 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: the foundation, true definition of a foundation player, Tank Dell 154 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: is twenty four years old. Both these guys are going 155 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: to be yellows. I think Diggs probably on the age 156 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: side of things. Tank Dell coming off of an injury. 157 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: But I think if you're looking at what this offense 158 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: looks like into the future, it's twenty two year old 159 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: c J. Stroud, It's twenty five year old Nico Collins, 160 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: it's twenty four year old Tank Dell. And then the 161 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: other offensive playmaker, You've got Dalton Schultz, who's a rock 162 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: solid green at twenty eight. You've got Joe Mixon at 163 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: twenty eight. So I'll let you make this decision, Buck 164 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: for the third spot. If we have Nico Collins and 165 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: Tank Dell, if you're talking about a true foundation piece, 166 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: are you going to go with Stefan Diggs, Dalton Schultz 167 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: or Joe Mixon. 168 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Stefan Diggs. 169 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: And the reason I'm gonna do that is because Stefan 170 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: Diggs has been a tested one thousand yard receiver and 171 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: even though he went a right at the end of 172 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: his tenure with the Buffalo Bills, he still is a 173 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: really good player. 174 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: Is he what he was? I don't know. 175 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: Maybe he's descending a little bit, but him descending still 176 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: puts him in that category where he can be an 177 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: impact player on this team with that quarterback. 178 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Yep, I think that's a smart move. So we've got 179 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Stefan Diggs. No one in reserve. 180 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: You've got a good tight end and a good back. 181 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: We get to the three quality offensive lineman. Army Tunzel 182 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: is a blue at thirty years old. You get your 183 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: choice there between Titus Howard and Shaq Mason. There's some 184 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: injuries there, but those guys are both yellows for that reason. 185 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Then you've got the young guys with Kenyon Green at 186 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: twenty three and Juice Scrugs at twenty four. So let's 187 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: go with Titus Howard there is a yellow, and let's 188 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: go with Kenyon Green there as a pink. So that's 189 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: their offense. You get over the defense. We've got a 190 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: lot of guys that are blues. We've got Will Anderson 191 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: as a twenty two year or sorry, a lot of 192 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: guys that are greens. I should say Will Anderson twenty 193 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: two year old green with blue potential, Daniel Hunter coming 194 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: over as a green at twenty nine. You've got Petrie 195 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: or Christian Harris both as greens. You've got Aziz Al 196 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: Shaier is a green. You've got Stingley who is listed 197 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: as a yellow. I'm guessing that the other injury, but 198 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I think the blue. Yeah, I think 199 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: you can make a case that him and Sauce Garden 200 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: are in the same class. You could be talking about 201 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: the top two corners in the league for the next 202 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: seven eight years. So uh yeah, let's make Stingley a Blue. 203 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: And then let's make the decision here with these playmakers 204 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: between Petrie, Christian Harris, and Al Shaier. I'm going to 205 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: go with Petrie and Harris as both greens there that 206 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: would be the choice to pair up there with Derek 207 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: Stingley as a blue. That's a you know what sneaky 208 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: good roster man. Like, you think about their turnaround last year, 209 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: but now you look at it and there's blues and 210 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: there's quite a few guys with blue potential. 211 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's crazy is how quickly this happened. How quickly 212 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 3: they mean being able to flip it, because this is 213 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: a team that was a laughing stock. We had look, 214 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: no one thought that they would make the run that 215 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: they made last year to now completely flip this roster 216 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: and we're talking about one of the best rosters in football. 217 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: Hats off to Nick Casario and what Dimiko Ryans have done. 218 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: They've done a really good job and not only changing 219 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: the cost, so they've changed the personnel and the talent 220 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: that this team has. This is why everyone is excited 221 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: about what they could be this season. 222 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 223 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: I like that group a lot they have there. Let's 224 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: get to your Jags here, coming off a nine and 225 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: eight season. You've got Trevor Lawrence is a Green at 226 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: twenty four, etn is a Green at twenty five. Then 227 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: you've got Evan Ingram at twenty nine. They also brought 228 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: over Gabe Davis at twenty five, but those, you know. 229 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Then you've got Christian Kirk is a yellow. I believe 230 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: we're coming off of injury there, buck, Is that what 231 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: we've got coming. 232 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Off in yellow? Yes, coming off an injury. 233 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: And then we get to the offensive lineman, Ezra Cleveland 234 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: is a green. You've got shurf or Cam Robinson would 235 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: be Yellows, Anton Harrison, he's got a nice bright future there, 236 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: but he's a pink as a young player. And then 237 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: you get to the defensive side. You've got I got 238 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: it used to it's Heinz Allen now right, Josh Heinz. 239 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh Josh heines Allen. Yeah, he Chang's his last name. 240 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure both sides will represented. 241 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, good for that's cool. He's a twenty seven year 242 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: old blue. And then you've got some greens here with 243 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker still twenty three man, he's a baby, Olua 244 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: Khan is a green at twenty nine, Devin Lloyd is 245 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: a green at twenty five years old, and then you 246 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: got your choice between Campbell and Cisco twenty four year 247 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: olds there for the last spot. Buck, you make the 248 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: call there in terms of the foundational pieces, sure for 249 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, who's going to be there longer and be 250 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: more impactful on the long term. And then Tyson Campbell 251 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: or Andre Cisco, you got to pick one. 252 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna say Cam Robinson right now because 253 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: Brandon Schriff is on the decline and injuries that really 254 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: beat him to a pulp. And then when it comes 255 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: to the two guys at the bottom, Typing Campbell and 256 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: Andre Cisco both a good but give me andre Cisco 257 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 3: because I think Andre Cisco has an opportunity to be 258 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: a difference maker as a ballhawk in the back end. 259 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. So again, a lot of a 260 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: lot of green. There's a lot of really solid players 261 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: there for the Jags need some of those guys, and 262 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking at guys like Trayvon Walker. Can he climb 263 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: into that blue category? Can he make that leap? Christian 264 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: Kirk coming back healthy, can he get more into that 265 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: green category? So then now you're talking about a rock 266 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: solid group of guys, and then, more important than anything else, 267 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: the guy they just paid at the quarterback position in 268 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, four year old buck feels like he's around 269 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: for a minute. He's twenty four years old. 270 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's getting like the conversation is very similar to 271 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: the conversation we had on the last spot about Deshaun 272 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: Wison in terms of being the lynch fan. Trevor Lawrence 273 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: is the lynch fan to this team's title hopes. He's 274 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: aman to the rest of the guys on the offense 275 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: playing better. When Trevor Lawrence plays well, Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, 276 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: those guys can ascend to being blue chip players when 277 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: he is protected. That offensive line certainly has to do 278 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: a really good job. But I think a lot of 279 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: the hopes and dreams for the Jaguars are tied to 280 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: number sixteen. Number sixteen plays well. This team is going 281 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: to be a surprise team in AFC. 282 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: YEP, It's going to be a fun team to watch. 283 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna have a front row seat for it all 284 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: year long. Indianapolis Colts coming off a nine to eight 285 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: year interesting team to look at. Here, you've got Anthony 286 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Richardson is a twenty two year old Purple, so again 287 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: got hurt last year's ricky campaign, but Purple signifying as 288 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: a young, unproven player with blue chip potential. Got Jonathan 289 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: Taylor is a Blue at twenty five years old. You've 290 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: got Michael Pittman as a Green at twenty six. You've 291 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: got ad Ni Mitchell at twenty one years old, one 292 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: of the youngest players in the league. He is a Purple. 293 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Then you look at the offensive lineman. You've got Quentin 294 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: Nelson as a Green, You've got Braden Smith as a Green, 295 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: and you've got Ryan Kelly as a Yellow. So that's 296 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: the offensive line. And then you get to the pass rushers. 297 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: Quitty pay is really good young player at twenty five, 298 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: and you've got Buckner at thirty to go along with Ebukam, 299 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: but let's keep Buckner there. And then the defensive playmakers. 300 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: You've got Kenny Moore twenty nine, You've got Julian Blackman 301 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: and EJ. 302 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: Speed. 303 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: You've got your choice there of a couple of yellows 304 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: and Juju Brince as a purple. So when I look 305 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: at this team, Buck, the three things that stand out 306 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: to me are the high upside young guys they have 307 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: that haven't proven anything yet, but man Anthony Richardson, ad 308 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: Ni Mitchell, Juju Brince, These guys are athletic freaks with 309 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: literally limitless potential. So what can they get out of them? 310 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: How close do the guys like that get to their 311 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: stealing I think that determines what we get with the Colts. 312 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Colts frontal because we talked about their draft 313 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: process and how these are. This is a team that 314 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: has really going after all the athletic freaks the last 315 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: couple of years in the draft, and what they really 316 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: put their hopes on is that their coaching staff can 317 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: develop them. And you see very quickly that they have 318 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: certainly developed these guys to a point. They have some 319 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: intriguing pieces, some pieces that have the potential to go 320 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: to the next level, but they need some more seasoning 321 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: and a lot of the Colts success will be tied 322 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: to Anthony Richardson. Anthony Rigison is the big, biggest freak 323 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: of them all. When it comes to his athletic gifts. 324 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: They've talked about what he's done in the off season, 325 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: how he's really dug into the quarterback position, and if 326 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: he's able to take that natural talent and put it 327 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: together where we see it in the performance and the production. 328 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: The sas Coast team is tough man. 329 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: Because they some people that can really tilt the field 330 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: just with their explosiveness due to their athletic attributes. But 331 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: if the quarterback, if the quarterback develops like they expect 332 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: them to develop, their problem, they can be a problem. 333 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 334 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking at these teams in this division and I'm 335 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: kind of summarizing it this way. Houston Texans ready made. 336 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: They have they have a lot of blue and green 337 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: on their on their foundation here. They are ready made. 338 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: They are ready to roll. The Jacksonville Jaguars, the theme 339 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: would be that the Jim Collins book good to great. Right, 340 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of good. They need some of 341 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: those guys to transition into the great category. That's how 342 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: it summarized. The Jags, the Indianapolis Colts. It is the 343 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: it is wide open. It is it is boom or bust, 344 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: it is take the driver out of the bag. It 345 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: is hero or zero, however. 346 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: You want to phrase it. 347 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: But they have the most variance of like of what 348 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: they can be at their best and what they could 349 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: be at their worst. I feel like there's more distance 350 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: between those two than than the other teams we've mentioned. 351 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: We'll get to the Titans here in a second. 352 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: I mean they're going for it. 353 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: They have the ability to go for and look man, 354 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: no risk and no biscuit. That's the approach that they're taking. 355 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: And if their guys hit, they're gonna hit in a 356 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: major way. Because we talked about site size, speed warriors. 357 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: They have all of those guys. It's just a matter 358 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: of putting together and teaching those guys how to play 359 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: football and play as a unit. 360 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Let's get to the last team here, the Tennessee Titans, 361 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: coming off a six and eleven finish. Will Levis is 362 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: a pink twenty five years old at quarterback. You've got 363 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, Calvin Ridley, and d Hop You've got two 364 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: greens and one yellow there with their playmakers. You get 365 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: to the offensive line, you've got a couple of purples 366 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: here and Scarronsky and J. C. Latham at twenty three 367 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: and twenty one years old. So man, good young players, 368 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: but we got talented players. We got to see them 369 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: and what they can accomplish. And then I would put 370 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: Lloyd Cushionberry as the third guy there. He is a green. 371 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Then we get to the defensive side of the ball. 372 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons is a blue all day every day at 373 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. Harold Landry is the other pass 374 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: rusher at twenty eight he is a green. And then 375 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: you get to the defensive play makers. Leagerius Sneid is 376 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: listed as a green here. I would nominate him for 377 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: a Blue buck. Would you agree he's a top five. 378 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, he should be in the conversation. Yes, 379 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: he has to be up to here. 380 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna make him a blue. A Woozia 381 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: is a green. And then you've got Armani Hooker as 382 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: a yellow at twenty six years old. So there's a 383 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: couple of blue chippers there. But I would say, when 384 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: you look at this team again, if I was going 385 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: to be hopeful on the Tennessee Titans, I would look 386 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: at three players. I would look at these two young 387 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: offensive linemen and Skuransky and JC Latham twenty three and 388 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: twenty one years old, and then I would look obviously 389 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: at the quarterback at Will Levis at twenty five years old. 390 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: Those are three young players, a lot of talent, a 391 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: lot of ability, But that team's going to go as 392 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: those guys go. Those guys hopefully you're seeing that group, 393 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: that little triangle players getting better as we go throughout 394 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: the year. 395 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 396 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: No, They're funny because they have the young players in 397 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: players that are ready to go to the next level, 398 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: and then they have some older. 399 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: Players who have to continue to play at a high level. 400 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 3: And I would say this, I would say Calvin Ridley 401 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: has to play in a blue category for them to 402 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: get what they want. On offense from Will Levis, DeAndre 403 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: Hopkins continues to defy expectations and ours because most of 404 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: us thought that he would be a descending player at 405 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: this stage of his career. But he continues to play well. 406 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: So if Hopkins and Ridley play well, they're going to 407 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: help the quarterback play well. Then on defense, Thenard Wilson, 408 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, he has to find a way to get 409 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: these young guys to be more impactful around Jeffrey Simmons. 410 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Simmons is the strawtest stirs to drink, but he 411 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: needs Harold Landry and those guys around him to also contribute. 412 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: But to move to get lugerious, sneed a true number 413 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: one corner on the outside who can play man demand 414 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: because this team wants to put their hands on wideouts 415 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: on the outside. If they can bring back and you know, 416 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: because you're with the Baltimore Ravens, if they can bring 417 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: back that Tennessee Tyrants attitude where they felt like they 418 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: could beat everybody up, that's when the Titans are at 419 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: their best when they're playing that brand to play. And 420 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 3: even though you may have a new coach, I think 421 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: some things are like franchise traditions and that style of 422 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 3: play has always been traditional when it comes to the 423 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans. 424 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: No doubt that it's a team that I think when 425 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: you stack it up in the division just in this exercise, 426 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: feels like the fourth team. I don't think there's you know, 427 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: tremendous pressure on them right now. New coach, new general 428 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, newist general manager there, and ran So hadn't 429 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: been there too long, so I think there'll be some 430 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: patience here, especially the Dereck Henry era being over. I 431 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: think there's going to be a little bit of transition here, 432 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: but hopefully again, what you see at the end of 433 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: the year with these young guys better than what you 434 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: see at the beginning of the year. Like that's got 435 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: to be the hope if you're a Tennessee Titans fan. 436 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break when we come back. 437 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned the Niners and the Ravens have been the 438 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: most talented, the most blue laden teams that we've gone over. 439 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Will they be overtaken by the Kansas City Chiefs. We'll 440 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: get to them in the AFC West right after this. 441 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, let's roll through it here. The Kansas 442 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: City Chiefs a lot of blue here. Patrick Mahomes twenty 443 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: eight year old blue. He's the bluest of the blue. 444 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, it's you know, look, it's he's thirty four 445 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: years old. But I don't see drop off there, so 446 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: he's still a blue, still an elite, elite player. The 447 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: other offensive playmaker spot, you've got Rashie Rice or Mark 448 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: He's brown, both as yellows, you know, for for different reasons. 449 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: But you know you've got talent there. I think Rashie Rice, 450 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: what he showed last year as a player on the field, 451 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be excited about. Just needs to 452 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: he needs to be a little bit better off the field. 453 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: Then we get to Pa Checko is a Green. Then 454 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: you get to the three quality offensive lineman Creed Humphreys 455 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: of Blue, Tray Smith's a Blue, and then you've got 456 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: Joe Tooney, who is a to me is a You 457 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: know he's listed as a yellow here, but I would 458 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: you can make a case so when he's at his best, 459 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: he's a greenish bluish player. Then you get to the 460 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Chris Jones is a Blue, 461 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: Carl Loftis is a Green at twenty three years old, 462 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie is a twenty three year old blue. Nick 463 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: Bolton is a twenty four year old Blue. And then 464 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: you've got your choice there between Cook, Justin Reed, and Leoshanal. 465 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: I probably go Leo Shanal, just a twenty four year 466 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: old is a really good players at green. A lot 467 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: of blue, buck that's a lot of blue represented there 468 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs. 469 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of blue, and a lot of times 470 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: people are being disrespectful when they just kind of painted 471 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: like its Pat Mahomes in company. Pat Mahlmes is terrific, 472 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: but this is also a very well thought out, well organized, 473 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 3: and choreographed roster where the pieces of the puzzle fit. 474 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: You talked about the offensive line, and that's where I 475 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: kind of like to focus Freed, Humphrey, Trey Smith, Joe Toney, 476 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: like those guys you're talking about, potentially three blues at 477 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. They make life easy for not 478 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: only Pat Mahomes, but for Isaiah Pacheco to be able 479 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: to do his thing. The question mark that you have 480 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: is what is Rashid Rice. 481 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: Going to be? 482 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: Because for them he's playing like the number one receiver 483 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 3: last year. You have the issues off the field, but 484 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 3: if he comes back, he's available. You now put him 485 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 3: with Hollywood Brown, you have Xavi Worthy. This offense has 486 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: been perditioned in the last couple of years. They could 487 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: go back to being what they look like when Tyreek 488 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: Hill and Travis Kelsey were in their primes. Defensively, christ 489 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 3: Jones is the guy, but Carl loftis, Finn McDuffie, Bowden, 490 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: Leno Chana. 491 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: They have a really good defense. 492 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: This team is tough and they could pull off what 493 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: has not been done to three peet just because the 494 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: roster is really stacked. 495 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: From top to bottom. 496 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: We could talk about their motivation and can they avoid complacency, 497 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: but talent wise, they certainly have the talent. 498 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: In place to pull it off. 499 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because you know, the narrative had 500 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: been Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes can kind of carry a group, 501 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: and then when you step back and look at it, 502 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: and you look at the just the individual talent and 503 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: the foundations of these teams not a mystery. You know, 504 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: while they're winning it. We have them and the and 505 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: the Ravens tied with seven Blue players a piece, forty 506 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: nine ers just behind him, but those being the two 507 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: most talented teams, I don't think that people necessarily talk 508 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: like that, and maybe that changed last year just because 509 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: you couldn't avoid what they were doing with their defense 510 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: was so dominant. But this is a team that not 511 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: only has the best you can make a case has 512 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: the best quarterback and the best coach in the entire league. 513 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: They have continuity because they've been together and they also 514 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: just happen to have the best championship foundation. Aside from 515 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: those two pieces of anybody else in the entire league, 516 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: them and the Baltimore Ravens are stacked. 517 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: Yeah they are. 518 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: And they just continue to get better and better and better. 519 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: And I say what's scary about them is they remove 520 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: some pieces around Pat Mahomes the last couple of years, 521 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: and I think that made him better now when you 522 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: reinsert talent around him. He has the ability I would 523 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: say as a basketball player, he can hit you with 524 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 3: the layup, in the drive, he can hit you with 525 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: the mid range and then you can do a three 526 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 3: point shot. He has all of the those things at 527 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 3: his disposal this year that he didn't have in previous years. 528 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 3: That is problematic for defensive coordinators trying to come up 529 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: with it. And he has the look you're knowing I 530 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: don't have the forest things because I have a defense 531 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: that's good enough to get stops and give me more 532 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: opportunities at it. 533 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: You look at not only the number of blue players 534 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: for them, and then we'll move on after this thought. 535 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: But to me, the fascinating thing is you look at 536 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey being twenty five, Tray Smith being twenty five, 537 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: McDuffie being twenty three, Bolton being twenty four. Those four guys, 538 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: and then I go back to when we talked about 539 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: on a previous episode with the Jets with Garrett Wilson 540 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: twenty four, Breisee Hall twenty three, Quinnin Williams twenty six, 541 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: Saus Gardner twenty four. If you're looking at just the 542 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: best collection of young blue players, those would be the 543 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: two teams there. I don't think that people think of 544 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: Jets like that, but that's it's fascinating. 545 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: It is fascinating, and it's one of the things that 546 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: you look for when you wonder about how can team 547 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 3: go on the these championship runs. So what we're saying 548 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: right now, we're talking about the Kansas City Chiefs, a 549 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: team that is what three out of the last four, 550 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: a team that's in the middle of a back to 551 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 3: back looking for a three peet, and we're saying that 552 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: their best is still out in front of them based 553 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: on the young players that they've assembled. So for the next, 554 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: let is see, three to five years, this team is 555 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: gonna be in the conversation, not just because of the 556 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: quarterback and the coach, but because of the other young 557 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: players around those guys. Makes it like it makes it 558 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: fascinating to watch and to see how much are they 559 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: going to win? How many are they going to win 560 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: with the talent that they have in place. 561 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the quarterbacks get another ten years of prime. 562 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean he's going to be in the late thirties 563 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: and still be playing at a very high level. It's 564 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: really the two players you keep an eye on there. 565 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: If you're looking at what's the hope that people may 566 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: have is that maybe this at thirty or thirty four 567 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: years old, this is the time we start to see 568 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: some drop off with Kelsey. Maybe at thirty years old 569 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: Chris Jones, maybe there's some signs of slippage there. But 570 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: even with that being the case, we've referenced it, they 571 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: still have a lot of other good, strong, core talented 572 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: young players there. For the Kansas City Chiefs, all right, 573 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: let's get to the next team here, the Raiders coming 574 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: off an eight to nine year Aidan O'Connell is a 575 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: pink twenty six years old. Davante Adams is a hanging 576 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: on There is a blue at thirty one, Jacoby Myers 577 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: is a green at twenty seven, and then you've got 578 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: Brock Bowers as a twenty one year old, one of 579 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: the youngest guys here is a purple. Excited to see 580 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: him play. Get to the offensive line. You've got a 581 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: solid green there with Colt Miller at twenty eight Jackson 582 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: powers Johnson with a rookie again at twenty one year old, 583 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: will be a purple. And then we'll go with Gosh, 584 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: we go with parhum there, I guess with The next 585 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: one is a pink at twenty five. Get to the defense. 586 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: Max Crosby is a blue all day long. At twenty seven, 587 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins buck he's a green on here. I mean, 588 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: I would argue that he's a blue. Would you fight 589 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: that notion? You got paid as a blue. He's a blue. 590 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: He's a blue. 591 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: Eight and a half sacks from interposition. 592 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a blue player. 593 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: Yep, I'm with him. So then you get to the 594 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: playmakers in the back end. Here's where you need some 595 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: some guys to step up here. Jack Jones is, Jack Jones, 596 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: merrig and Nate Hobbs all listed as yellows here. So 597 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: for different reasons, Jack Jones has just had some stuff 598 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: off the field, but he's you know, he is very, 599 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: very talented since he came into the lineup there. I 600 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: saw a first end of the Chargers game. But you 601 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: look at this team, I think, to me, that's the 602 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: thing that jumps out is they need secondary players, and 603 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: they need their back half, linebackers and secondary. They need 604 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: some some guys to emerge there and prove that they're 605 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: better than we expect. And I also think they're going 606 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: to rely on two rookies with Brock Bauers, Jackson Powers Johnson. 607 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: You know, I would argue, you know, Jacoby Myers is 608 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: a really solid player, but you could also keep an 609 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: eye on. You know, they've got another tight end there 610 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: from Notre Dame they could throw in the mix there. 611 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 3: Michael Mayer, Yeah, the the Raiders are intriguing just because 612 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 3: of some of the players around DeVante Adams that can 613 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: still emerge. Brock Bauers being what some of us would 614 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 3: say was maybe the best player in the draft, so 615 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: you have an opportunity to put him and Michael mra 616 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: together to give you really a dynamic twelve personnel package. 617 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers playing at a green level alongside DeVante Adams, 618 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: all those things are good. You hope that you can 619 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: get some emergence from their offensive line where they can 620 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: just play better than what the expectations are based on 621 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: the color code. Defensively, to me, Max Crosby and Christin 622 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: Wilkins could be the best one to two punch that 623 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 3: we've seen inside and outside. 624 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: If they played to. 625 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: The level, they're gonna make everybody behind them play that 626 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: much better. It's a team that's not quite there, but 627 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: they're just good enough to snatch down teams that are 628 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: better than them. 629 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: I e. 630 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 3: The way that they played the Knas City Chiefs last season. 631 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: I think on Christmas Day when they were able to 632 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: get a win, they can knock off some of those teams. 633 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: And so we'll see if AP can get it going. 634 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: But right now they have just enough to be a 635 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: dangerous threat in the AFC, not necessarily to win it, 636 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: but to make every game very very competitive, and then 637 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: for them to knock off a couple teams that might 638 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: be listed as better than them. 639 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, duel wise, I don't know there's a better one 640 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: in the league inside outside than Max Crosby and paired 641 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: up with Christian Wilkins, that's gonna be fun to watch 642 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: those guys play together and see what that looks like. Defensively, 643 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: for the Raiders again. Need some young guys in the 644 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: linebacker secondary positions to emerge and step up. Let's get 645 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: to the Denver Broncos coming off an eight nine season 646 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: as well. 647 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: Bo Nix. 648 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and throw him in there as 649 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: a starter as a twenty four year old. He is 650 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: a pink right now. Javonte Williams and Courtland Sutton would 651 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: be yellows. Marvin Mims Junior is a pink, so Javonte 652 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: Williams twenty four years old, Mims twenty two, Ston twenty eight. 653 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: Then we get to the three quality offensive lineman. Quinn 654 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Miners just got paid good for him, twenty five years old, 655 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Green mcglench. He's a green at twenty nine. Garrett Bowles 656 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: is a yellow at thirty two. We get to the 657 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: two pass rushers. You've got Zach Allen's a really good 658 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: young player at twenty seven years old. You've got Nick 659 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: Benito or Jonathan Cooper, got your choice there, they would 660 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: be pinks twenty four and twenty six. Pats or Tan 661 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: is still twenty four years old. Man, he's young. He's 662 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: a blue. Alex Singleton as a playmaker at thirty and 663 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: then You've got Cody Barton as a playmaker. He is 664 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: twenty seven, So you need some complimentary pieces to step 665 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: up around Pats or Tan in the secondary buck and 666 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: then otherwise, I mean all sites, all eyes are going 667 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: to be on bo Nicks in that quarterback position. However 668 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: that shakes out. They need those guys to play well. 669 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do need those guys to play well. 670 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: And you know this is a rossa that is, i 671 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: would say, in transformation like they're trying to kind of 672 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 3: make it over. They're trying to figure out what the 673 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: pieces are around him, and Chompagne is opening that he 674 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: can coach him well enough that he can manage the 675 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: game and sneak out a few wins. Bow Nicks is 676 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: gonna be interesting because Bownicks should be the day one starter. 677 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 3: Bownix comes with more collegia star than anyone in NFL history. 678 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: He should be able to jump in there. And if 679 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: he's able to jump in there and play what we 680 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: call small ball, dink and dunk, get it to some 681 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: of the playmakers on the outside while they run the football. 682 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: They should be able to stay in games. We just 683 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: saw Manners get paid. They paid big money a season ago. 684 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: For Mike mcclinchey. They got to get those guys playing. 685 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: They need Garrett Bowles to hold on and just play 686 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: at a solid level. And then defensively, it's on Vance 687 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: Joseph to try and take these pieces and find a 688 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: way to get some production. They don't have a high 689 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: level pass rusher, which is difficult, so they may be 690 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: more coverage than rush. It can be done in the league, 691 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: but it's a lot harder to cover these guys on 692 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: the outside given the way the rules are. But Vance 693 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: Joseph can trick it and kind of scheme it up. 694 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: But Pastor ten is the lynchpin to the way they 695 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: will have to pro using it. Have to play with 696 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 3: this approach where they have to be more coverage based 697 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 3: and pressure based. 698 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting to look at. 699 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of their best players are really young, 700 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: so that's the encouraging thing. They need these guys to 701 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: be taught properly. As you mentioned, some of the pieces 702 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: they have in place on the coaching staff are well 703 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: known for being good developers, so that's going to be 704 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: huge for them those young guys starting to climb and develop. 705 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: For the Denver Broncos. I think it could be a 706 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: step back before a step forward, though you use the 707 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: term transition, that would not be a surprise to me. 708 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: Let's get to the Los Angeles Chargers coming off a 709 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: six and eleven season, the Jim Harbaugh era kicks off. 710 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: You've got a blue quarterback and twenty six year old 711 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. The offensive playmakers. This is where the questions 712 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: are right. You've got Gus Edwards slash JK. Dobbins wherever 713 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: you want to go with there. I guess you probably 714 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: have to go with Gus Edwards based off of, you know, 715 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 1: recent health and production as a twenty nine year old yellow. 716 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Josh Palmer coming off of an injury. He's a twenty 717 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: four year old yellow. And then you've got Lad McConkie 718 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: or Quentin Johnson. I would go Ladd McConkie here as 719 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old pink. You get to the 720 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: quality offensive lineman. You've got Slater's a twenty five year 721 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: old blue. You've got Joe Alter rookie as a twenty 722 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: one year old man, just a baby. He's a purple 723 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: there pro. You know he's got blue potential as a 724 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: rookie haven't seen him play yet. Zion Johnson's a twenty 725 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: four year old Pink. Then you get to the pass rushers, really, 726 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Toy Poloto, who's a he's a 727 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: foundational piece for them as a twenty one year old, 728 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: he's a young kid. And then you've got Bosa and 729 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: Mac as yellows coming off of an injury for Bosa, 730 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: the age for Mac. Then the back end, you've got 731 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: Derwin James as a twenty eight year old Blue, not 732 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: coming off of his best season, but the talent still there. 733 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Sante Samuel is a twenty four year old Yellow, and 734 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: then you've got just Sir Taylor as a twenty five 735 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: year old pink is their nickel. So takeaways there. When 736 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: you look at the Chargers. 737 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: Buck. 738 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: Talented team, a team that there's a lot of excitement 739 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 3: about because of the coaching and coaching matters in this league. 740 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: Because this team has been regarded as one of the 741 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: franchises with the most talented rosters. I mean, last five years, 742 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: everyone has talked about how talented they are. It's funny 743 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: that now that they have a high level coach to 744 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: everyone respects, you don't hear as much talk about the roster, 745 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 3: but what you pointed out is a roster still pretty talented. Yes, 746 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: they've dumped a lot of the I would say the 747 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: marquee weapons that have been household names. 748 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: No Keenan Allen, no Mike Williams. 749 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 3: But what they've done, I believe is kind of flipped 750 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 3: it where they really invested in the offensive line. They're really, 751 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 3: i would say, hanging their offensive hopes on the offensive line. 752 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: And when I look at Zion Johnson and Joe aut 753 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 3: and Rashaan Slater, there are three guys that should be 754 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: able to play at blue levels, particularly the young guys 755 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 3: blue levels early in their respective careers. 756 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: If they get that. 757 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 3: Then they can run the football behind I would say 758 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 3: a Hodgepod's collection of running backs Gus that was in JK. 759 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: Dobbins. You've talked about it. 760 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 3: I think you called Joshua Palmer the fantasy football sleeper 761 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 3: that if you looking for someone that can be better 762 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: than many expect, look for him to be the guy 763 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 3: that kind of becomes the focal point of the offense 764 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 3: when they throw it. I've heard a lot of reports, 765 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 3: not from you, but reports they're talking about him having 766 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 3: a prominent role and we may not see Quinn Johnson 767 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 3: as much, so I'm excited to see that. 768 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 2: And then on defense, I. 769 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: Know Joey Bosaying Khalil Mack are older, but still both 770 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: are very capable of getting done. 771 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: Just look at the numbers. And then Derwin James. If 772 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: Derwin James comes back and plays like the Derwin James 773 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: that we know and love, Yeah, it's two pass rushers. 774 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: A guy is a defensive playmaker. That's more enough to 775 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: be able to get it done in national football. 776 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it's uh, you know, I guess for 777 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: this exercise just because it will get crushed if we 778 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: don't do it otherwise. But you know, for the two 779 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: pass rushers, you have to put Bosa and Mack there, 780 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: even though if you're talking about a foundational piece tow 781 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: we pull out to as a younger player is going 782 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: to be here for a longer period of time, But 783 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: that's the decision to be made there. And then you 784 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: know you need a Sante Samuel Junior to play well. 785 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: I think that behind this pass rush, in this defensive scheme, 786 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: they're going to generate a lot of legitimate but one 787 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: on one pressure wins and they're going to have some 788 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: deception deception type pressures there with Jesse Menner, So I 789 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: think that pressure playing top down for Sante Samuel using 790 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: his eyes and instincts, I think he has a good year, 791 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: gets his hands on a lot of footballs, and then 792 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: you took the words out of my mouth. Offensively, If 793 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: this team's good, if they flip this record, they go 794 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: from six and eleven to eleven and six, it'll be 795 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: because Rashaun Slater will be back to being healthy and 796 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: being the Pro bowler that he is. Joe Alt will 797 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: play at a Pro Bowl level, and Zion Johnson, who 798 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: by all accounts has had a wonderful offseason as a 799 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: twenty four year old former first rounder, is a big, 800 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: powerful guard. Those three guys will be Pro bowlers. That 801 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: to me, if you're going to say how do they 802 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: flip their record, people will say, well, who are the 803 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: receivers going to emerge? And what's the crowded backfield? And 804 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: you know the question marks there, who's the running back? 805 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: To me, if those three guys are blue players, if 806 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: those three guys are you know, Pro Bowl caliber players, 807 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: that's how they flip their record. 808 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they flip it. 809 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 3: Those guys have to play well, they have to embrace 810 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 3: i'll say, a different brand that we're not necessarily used 811 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 3: to seeing with the Charge was his physicality and toughness, 812 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 3: kind of a rough and rugged demeanor and approach. And 813 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 3: Jim Harbor has already said it, don't let the powder 814 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 3: Blues fool you. This is a team that's not going 815 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 3: to be soft. Heard everything about them. We have seen 816 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 3: the product that he has produced and how he's turned 817 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 3: around teams, whether it's in college or the pros. I 818 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 3: spec to see the same thing from the Charges. A 819 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 3: lot of buzz, a lot of positivity. They got that 820 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 3: brand new facility, the boat. I'm sure you got a 821 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 3: nice little office there, so I'm excited. 822 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 2: I'm excited. I'm excited to kind of see what it 823 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 2: looks like you and your name plate. 824 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: You probably have like access to the infrared sona and 825 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 3: cold plunge tub. 826 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 2: You can be all you me and Elsa Gunda all 827 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, I know. 828 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: I think That's what I'm gonna do now is I'm 829 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: gonna leave NFL Network, which is not far from the 830 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Charges new facility, and then just get a little cold 831 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: plunge in before I get in the contract. Wake me 832 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: up a little bit, a little natural nature's caffeine. There 833 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: have you done that? By the way, you did it 834 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: when you played oh. 835 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 2: No like So it's so funny. 836 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 3: I was just telling Oh, I was trying to get 837 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 3: my daughter to ice and I was telling her my 838 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 3: whole approach. 839 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: To getting in the ice tub. I would I would 840 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: take a big towel. 841 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: And I dump it in the hot tub, and then 842 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 3: I would wrap it around me up top while I 843 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 3: was to merge in the uptight uptight I'm warm, and 844 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 3: then by the time I numb, doubt it didn't matter. 845 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, that that was the thing. But I've heard 846 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 3: I've heard everyone talk about the contrast between the infrared 847 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: sona and in the cold plunch. I still just don't 848 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 3: have the I don't have the wherewithalught. I don't know 849 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: if I'm tough enough just to cold plunch without. 850 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: So my brother, my brother has one. He lives ten 851 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: minutes away, so we've been doing it. My I take 852 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: my son, who's had some back stuff. So we've been 853 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: going over there almost every day and doing it. It 854 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many times you do it. That first 855 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: step into that thing is just you gotta summon some courage. Man, 856 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: you gotta summon some courage to get in that thing. 857 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: But I do feel good after you get out of it, 858 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: So I do buy some of the hype on that thing. 859 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: I remember when we were playing, like we get trash 860 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: cans and we get into like those little those metal tins, 861 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: you know. 862 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah or whatever. 863 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm a long way now, yeah, I 864 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,959 Speaker 3: mean a long long way. 865 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: That is not very sanitary, coming to think of it, 866 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: back back in the day, by the way, I mean, 867 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: don't don't overthink it was back in the day. 868 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: Try not to overthink of course. 869 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us today. Hope 870 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed this series. Here Championship Foundations, fun 871 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: way to look at these rosters. And again we'll see 872 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: how these these colors change as we go through this season, 873 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: see which guys are on the come up and which 874 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: guys start to slip a little bit. We'll revisit this 875 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: all the time here. We will keep you up to 876 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: date here on the show. But that's gonna do it 877 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: for us today. We'll be back one more episode this 878 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: week and we'll see you here on Move Sticks