Speaker 1: We like to welcome everyone to another episode Against the
Speaker 1: Chronicles podcast and I'm with my dog today, Big Jag James.
Speaker 1: We was having a discussion yesterday about R. Kelly, and
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to um teague on with that
Speaker 1: because me and you read on some things and disagree
Speaker 1: on some things. He's presently serving time right now. How
Speaker 1: many years of aget thirty? So he got thirty years,
Speaker 1: right man, It's been people that murdered people have got
Speaker 1: less time, and that people that got fifteen years is
Speaker 1: people that't got awfrom murder. But the main thing, I
Speaker 1: mean two different scenarios. You know, he got convicted of
Speaker 1: uh trafficking, you know what I'm saying. How these people
Speaker 1: went with him willingly and came home. You know, these
Speaker 1: females lived with him, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it's fucked up because you know, I've always heard people say,
Speaker 1: when you're taking care of motherfucker, they're good. When you
Speaker 1: stopped taking care of motherfucker, everything go back. And that's
Speaker 1: what happened with this dude in this case. You know
Speaker 1: why the parents ain't being convicted of child abuse because
Speaker 1: ain't no where in the world. My daughter is gonna
Speaker 1: go and be going two weeks at a time, a
Speaker 1: week at a time at sixteen and seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: and I don't know where she at. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think they should be held accountable for their position.
Speaker 1: They rolled, they play in this whole situation, but they're not,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, I just
Speaker 1: think the lords fucked up when it comes to that
Speaker 1: type of situation. Yeah, it's wrong, and we're not condoning
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form his actions, but you
Speaker 1: gotta call a state of state. Sometimes it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you see these parents, they were well aware of what
Speaker 1: was going on with their daughters and it was all good,
Speaker 1: like you said, when the bread was rolling, but then
Speaker 1: when the money stopped going through issue, But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, even you know the way he conducted else,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't say he's right. It's sucking wrong
Speaker 1: if you know, uh, you you thirty five and you're
Speaker 1: working with a seventeen year old, you know that hands off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's guilty of that ship, Yeah he's guilty,
Speaker 1: and yeah he should be serving time. But I think
Speaker 1: you know the trim they threw him, the trafficking thing
Speaker 1: you know, they're almost treating like he was a pimp,
Speaker 1: like he was out there Pip and the family, Right,
Speaker 1: Pimps don't even get that much time. Doug. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just seems real personal with me. It just seemed like
Speaker 1: it was real first though to me, because you got
Speaker 1: a guy man, and you just imagine his mind stadiums
Speaker 1: Now he's used to being out there doing this thing,
Speaker 1: making music, traveling, going to go do shows and stuff.
Speaker 1: Now he's sitting the sale. Well, to me, our past,
Speaker 1: what we do today is gonna catch up with us, bro,
Speaker 1: and he's not paying attention to that. You're not subject
Speaker 1: uh to to different ship because you're a sucking superstar
Speaker 1: because people see you, you know, because you can see
Speaker 1: you're not You're not what's going to that? So, I mean,
Speaker 1: what he did and what he was doing, man, he
Speaker 1: should that. He had a whole lot of time to
Speaker 1: think and reflect on how you getting down, you know,
Speaker 1: being a rich motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: you know, females was so easy for this man because
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to R Kelly be around the r Kelly.
Speaker 1: They everybody, all these females want to be around that superstar,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So whatever his sexual appetite was,
Speaker 1: it could have been with a woman of age. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's a lot of badass women
Speaker 1: his age. You don't have to pick and choose a
Speaker 1: child to me a child. So do I say he's
Speaker 1: guilty of I say that yes, because I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't need no female five and I'm fifty something.
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I don't know. Definitely, he's definitely
Speaker 1: guilty and he's where he should be. My whole thing
Speaker 1: was just a think with Lord James. We gotta be
Speaker 1: real careful because the punishment has to fit the crime. Now,
Speaker 1: if they gave him, if they gave him, you know,
Speaker 1: two to five years, said okay, he's gonna serve his thing.
Speaker 1: And one thing we gotta remember R Kelly. You know,
Speaker 1: R Kelly can't read past the fourth grade left, so
Speaker 1: his level of understanding with certain things, it's kind of different.
Speaker 1: You understand what I mean. It ain't listen and I'm
Speaker 1: not making an excuse for him, but I think with him,
Speaker 1: he liked dealing with the kids, with the younger girls,
Speaker 1: because he was on the same wave Lincoln as them.
Speaker 1: I don't think he could have handled conversation with a
Speaker 1: mature dog. If this man can right, if this man
Speaker 1: can sing sexual healing, and the way he do it
Speaker 1: he is mentality is well above talking to a woman
Speaker 1: of age. Bro. If he can't read, that don't mean
Speaker 1: he don't can't write music. He doing it, okay. So
Speaker 1: just because you don't read, Floyd Mayweather is a fucking millionaire.
Speaker 1: He couldn't read at the beginning. I don't know where
Speaker 1: his level at now, but he couldn't read me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna speak for me. I didn't get past the tenth
Speaker 1: month in grade. I court school in the ninth in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. But my comprehension level is
Speaker 1: is well above a dummy, well abub a dummy. So
Speaker 1: I self taught myself to be better when it comes
Speaker 1: to reading and understanding what I read. So you can't
Speaker 1: sit in and tell me that dude didn't understand. I
Speaker 1: know the difference between a seventeen, eighteen or thirty five
Speaker 1: year one. He definitely did. And I'm not making excuses
Speaker 1: from and I will be the first who say this.
Speaker 1: Some of the most breeding people that I know have
Speaker 1: not made it past high school. I know. I know too,
Speaker 1: billionaires that hadn't graduated high school. And then we can't
Speaker 1: blame it on his his high school school education. And
Speaker 1: they ain't got nothing to do with that. R Kelly
Speaker 1: is a is a man, A talented motherfucker. He can
Speaker 1: talk and he talked well, so he knows the difference
Speaker 1: and I understand that, I get it. But the only thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: he sucked up, but he is not the only person
Speaker 1: in this situation that sucked up. Oh not at all,
Speaker 1: not at all. And there were other people, you know,
Speaker 1: I know R Kelly. He didn't mention nobody else in
Speaker 1: the thing. I think they were after him on purpose, James.
Speaker 1: I think he pissed somebody off and it was on
Speaker 1: him possibility, possibility. I think he pissed somebody off and
Speaker 1: he was on his ass man, because you gotta remember
Speaker 1: this dude is like R. Kelly is in his fifties,
Speaker 1: not right, Yeah, in his fifties, he'd be eighty year old.
Speaker 1: Eighty years old, so they pretty much gave him life.
Speaker 1: He has life, and I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: get the roll without how does that work? He might
Speaker 1: get action if I'm quite sure. He appealonated the time,
Speaker 1: so they might take some time off or whatever. I
Speaker 1: ain't never, I ain't there with the system man goddamned
Speaker 1: since but and the laws that's changed, so he might
Speaker 1: get lucky and get out sooner than that. But when
Speaker 1: you're sucking you in the vet's you're gonna do the
Speaker 1: majority of that time. So as it stands now, he's
Speaker 1: looking to be seventies some years old when he come home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again I I gotta say this change because people
Speaker 1: haven't had it nowadays. Is not paying attention to stuff.
Speaker 1: We are not in any way, shape or form, controning
Speaker 1: this man's actions, not at all. If we think he's dead,
Speaker 1: that's wrong and he should be where he's at, well
Speaker 1: he should. I mean, JA Prince said this when you
Speaker 1: when you let me let me see it, because I
Speaker 1: gotta say it a different way now him. We all
Speaker 1: make decisions and we gotta live. But of decisions we
Speaker 1: make choices, the choices we make, we gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: live with that. And you know it's not just R.
Speaker 1: Kelly out here that lived that way. It's not just R. Kelly,
Speaker 1: So you know, but don't come after R Kelly after
Speaker 1: twenty years, you know what I'm saying, Like they did
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, don't come after him after fifty years and
Speaker 1: just dog him out because of a certain situation. Are
Speaker 1: are he was getting too too too big? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know, we gotta watch ourselves.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When we get money, it
Speaker 1: becomes a problem for us for entertainers. Look what's happening
Speaker 1: with the rappers. They give money, we don't don't know
Speaker 1: how to to control ourselves and live right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But you know it's just the way
Speaker 1: you do ship now with R. Kelly, Okay, he's in jail.
Speaker 1: But us as parents, how did our kids get in
Speaker 1: that position? They was not cooking because I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: one thing you have to know about the music business, James,
Speaker 1: I worked in it for a long time, and whenever
Speaker 1: I did deal with kids, you know, anyone that was
Speaker 1: in the eight team, their parents were heavily involved. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about from the studio sessions to everything. It was
Speaker 1: always like and it was usually the mom. It's always
Speaker 1: the mom, and that was her full time job to
Speaker 1: watch her child, you know. And I respected that. I
Speaker 1: actually liked that, And if I would have seen the
Speaker 1: kid in the studio by itself, I would have had
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about that, like where there is that?
Speaker 1: Because now you've got a liability something happened to this
Speaker 1: kid that rests on you as the company, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, I think those parents were very
Speaker 1: well aware of the situation that they were in and
Speaker 1: they were fine on with everything as long as the
Speaker 1: money was coming in. With a lot of people, they
Speaker 1: lived through their children. So you're pretty sure, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody's daughter as the opportunity to probably mess with R.
Speaker 1: Kelly in that fashion. You know, as far as the
Speaker 1: music goes and everything, he's a brigant songwriter, he's a
Speaker 1: brigant producer. Why would you not want your son and
Speaker 1: daughter involved with them? You understand you wouldn't want them
Speaker 1: because they're not of age to make those decisions for self.
Speaker 1: So the parents has the right are supposed to be
Speaker 1: parents and and and make decisions for the seventeen sixteen.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm saying, bro, is that they should be
Speaker 1: around to manage those situations too. It's almost like the
Speaker 1: kid has a chance to make it in life, right,
Speaker 1: a boy working with this certain guy. But you still
Speaker 1: you can't just trust the fact that he is celebrity
Speaker 1: he's gonna do the right thing is you don't know
Speaker 1: this man. You don't know what kind of defiant ways
Speaker 1: he may have thoughts he may have in his mind
Speaker 1: right of that they was trying to get a record deal,
Speaker 1: whether they was just females groupies, regardless of what the
Speaker 1: case might have been. If they are supervised, supervised by parents,
Speaker 1: none of this can happen. They shouldn't be left alone
Speaker 1: with r. Kelly. This is a grown ass man, this
Speaker 1: grown ass man, so you he have to hire a
Speaker 1: shopping wrong from my child. My child ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1: You're grown man. When the way ship is going to
Speaker 1: day and the way people UH conduct theirself today, you
Speaker 1: gotta be careful, especially with your kids. You gotta be overprotective.
Speaker 1: You do. You have to. I've never seen one of
Speaker 1: the games. I never played, James. Thank God, all of
Speaker 1: my kids are grown now so to speak, like my
Speaker 1: daughter just turned their team right. I've never aliveed none
Speaker 1: of those guys to go for other people's house suspending night.
Speaker 1: My whole thing was what you got to go spend
Speaker 1: that over the house where you seeing tomorrow. I don't
Speaker 1: know their parents, and even if I didn't know the
Speaker 1: so I felt like my kids need to be in
Speaker 1: the house of my house at that time. There's just
Speaker 1: too much stuff that can happen. What Like I said,
Speaker 1: that's the difference. You have good parents and you have
Speaker 1: bad parents. And then you have parents that don't want
Speaker 1: to be parents, that don't give a funk. You have
Speaker 1: parents that want to hang out and get high with
Speaker 1: their kids and don't see no wrong. Do what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm doing me. You've got mothers out there
Speaker 1: that want to be the home girl or or hang
Speaker 1: out in the clubs, don't have time to be parents.
Speaker 1: So that's where we fall victim too, and should happen
Speaker 1: to our kids because we're not policing or patrolling our
Speaker 1: kids like we should. And I say we to not
Speaker 1: have people think that, oh he's gonna say they No,
Speaker 1: we should be protecting our kids. My daughter went to prison,
Speaker 1: and I think I did everything that I can do
Speaker 1: for her not to go to prison. I couldn't imagine
Speaker 1: my daughter in prison. You feel me? So I had
Speaker 1: a big issue with what the fund. Did I do wrong?
Speaker 1: Because I had her for eight years, but I allowed
Speaker 1: her to go back. So that's when everything went back.
Speaker 1: But you know, I put that ship behind me, and
Speaker 1: and you know it's You're still a parent. Whether your
Speaker 1: kids get grown or not, you're still a parent and
Speaker 1: I want the best regardless. But some of us don't
Speaker 1: think like that, bro, some of us don't think that
Speaker 1: my days is over ship. I'm I'm a parent and
Speaker 1: a grandparent and taking care of mines a lot of that.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, because you never stopped being a
Speaker 1: pan right now, I told you, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like with my daughter turned eighteen, I'm gonna tell her, Hey,
Speaker 1: you eighteen, it's time for you to go making the world. No,
Speaker 1: I'm well aware. Hell, I got one that's grown as
Speaker 1: all get out. He paid his own bills, but he's
Speaker 1: still in the house with me. Right. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. Your daughter just turned their team. Right. Can
Speaker 1: a thirty year old cat come to the house and
Speaker 1: say I'm taking your daughter out? Oh? No, definitely not. Okay,
Speaker 1: there it is there, There is there. We would have
Speaker 1: an issue because even though she's of age right now,
Speaker 1: for technically by the laws, she can do what she
Speaker 1: want to do. No, I'm still a parent. I still
Speaker 1: have to be responsible to say, no, dude, you're too
Speaker 1: old for my daughter. Yeah, you know how old she is?
Speaker 1: Because and my thing is this, I wouldn't be so
Speaker 1: quick to blast home either, because the first thing I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do with I my ask and I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: did you tell this man and how old you were?
Speaker 1: Did you tell? Did you tell him how old you were?
Speaker 1: Because the thing, you know, my daughter eighteen, but she
Speaker 1: looked like she could be twenty or twenty one. But
Speaker 1: would he be a predator though knowing that she eight
Speaker 1: team but still like her? Yeah, I think to a
Speaker 1: certain point, I think it comes to a point, James,
Speaker 1: to where it ain't just about the legal ramifications. You've
Speaker 1: got a moral responsibility. Because my thing would be is
Speaker 1: the man being the age I am. I'm fifty two now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't see no need to talk about with my wife.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't eighteen year old ain't got no conversation for me, right, right?
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, I don't have a
Speaker 1: conversation for her. She don't have nothing for me, right,
Speaker 1: So that's that's cool. Man, but yeah, ship has just
Speaker 1: sucked up today, you know. But they're going up to
Speaker 1: your boy bill again like you just see it. They're
Speaker 1: going out the bill calls be again, and why that
Speaker 1: man is old? Let that man live. It's like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, he's out letting him do him?
Speaker 1: But you know I can't nobody and then see the
Speaker 1: cold thing about it is all of this ship happened
Speaker 1: forty years ago, fifty years ago, in his prime, and
Speaker 1: y'all want to attack this man now, just like it's
Speaker 1: a statutic. There's no statute what's called him? No, what's
Speaker 1: called him? Statue of limitation on murder? They should put
Speaker 1: you don't like this type of ship right here? You
Speaker 1: can't come and holler rate after fifty years and I
Speaker 1: go to prision board, you gotta like bucked up? It
Speaker 1: should it right? When you know what? You know what
Speaker 1: I do think? Man, I think it's like this. I
Speaker 1: think because there here's a statue with limitations on certain things.
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe this, man. I believe a woman's
Speaker 1: body is hers. If a woman tells you know, it's
Speaker 1: no right. I believe that you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we're both thinking of the same wave length. Right,
Speaker 1: I think like this. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: see opportunity. James and I want to get this disclaimer too.
Speaker 1: We're not saying that we don't agree with none of that.
Speaker 1: We don't agree with great. We think of woman's rights
Speaker 1: are her rights, and she has the right to choose
Speaker 1: to do what she wants to do it anytime, even
Speaker 1: she has started already. She has the right to tell
Speaker 1: you, you you know what, I changed my mind. I don't
Speaker 1: want to. She has a right to do that. But
Speaker 1: what means ain't both for sayings that at a certain
Speaker 1: amount of time it should be a thing. Well, why
Speaker 1: did you wait so long to come forward? Right? I
Speaker 1: mean it holds no variance there standing on. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: you're only saying that he touched me. You ain't got
Speaker 1: no finger prints, You ain't got nothing to say that
Speaker 1: this man violated you. But you're words. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy, bro. It's money, James, A lot of
Speaker 1: it's money too. Yeah, and and and me and you
Speaker 1: talked about this even with your son. You know, being
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you know you're gonna have females look
Speaker 1: at him and say Oh yeah. You know, you got
Speaker 1: women out there today that looked for athletes because they
Speaker 1: feel they paid. Not all women, but you've got some
Speaker 1: women out there with that mentality you got, so you
Speaker 1: know you have to be careful in history. Tell you
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I ain't lying. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: men out there that pro athletes then got caught up.
Speaker 1: But hey, if you keep your ship to yourself, you
Speaker 1: ain't got no problems. So you know the month and
Speaker 1: this is what they saying. I wanted to find this um.
Speaker 1: And when y'all see me looking down like this, it
Speaker 1: don't mean that I'm sleeping out there looking at It
Speaker 1: means I'm looking at my damn, I'm looking at some information.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying because I ask somebody tell me,
Speaker 1: way up, steal what time? I'm like, dude, like, how
Speaker 1: would I be holding the conversation? I'm sleep anyway here.
Speaker 1: There's yesterday, a civil jury found that disgraced comedian Bill
Speaker 1: Calls the sexually abused Judith Youth when she was sixteen
Speaker 1: years old the nineteen seventy five, and the wake of
Speaker 1: the verdict, calls the team is calling it an astonishing
Speaker 1: victory yesterday, actoring comedian Bill Calls he was awarded an
Speaker 1: astonishing victory by jurors and a civil trial brought by
Speaker 1: You to Youth. Read the statement from college spokesperson Andrew Wytt.
Speaker 1: The jurors decided to bran Judy Hoof with a five
Speaker 1: d thousand dollar verdict for voted nine three in favor
Speaker 1: of not rewarding this youth any punitive damages. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna give the girl some money. I guess then, right,
Speaker 1: the voting nine favorite not rewarding miss you for any
Speaker 1: punitive damage. It's strange to consider a verdict which confirms
Speaker 1: cause be sexually assaulting to monitor in any sort of victory. However,
Speaker 1: the part they seem to celebrate concerns the punitive damages, which,
Speaker 1: if reward would have been caused be active with malice
Speaker 1: of pressing or fraud. Many he would have to pay
Speaker 1: a lot more money despite the victory caused these. Lawyer
Speaker 1: Jennifer Boyan plans on a pillion of verdict, stating Youth
Speaker 1: would never receive a pay there so she won five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. That's what I'm saying, James. It was
Speaker 1: a it was a civil trial. She wanted to go
Speaker 1: get some money, right, she figured everybody else got paid,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get paid too. So what grounds do
Speaker 1: this is in nineteen seventy five? Know him? At what
Speaker 1: point you're telling me from nineteen seventy five to now,
Speaker 1: you're you're still a victim of circumstances of what he
Speaker 1: did to you. Come on, if he did that in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, he should have been going to trial
Speaker 1: at court for that. He should have been a arrested.
Speaker 1: If you, if he violated you see people get out
Speaker 1: of out of this ship. When they said, oh I
Speaker 1: was scared. I didn't know what to do. You know,
Speaker 1: Nigga's getting ready. Oh I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: So I didn't say nothing. That's embarrassing. No, if a
Speaker 1: motherfucker violated you, he should go to jail. I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk what. But in nineteen seventy five, Come on, man,
Speaker 1: that's forty something, forty seven motherfucking years ago. That's wrong
Speaker 1: to go. I'm gonna take you. The thing that trips
Speaker 1: me out about the calls we think this new thing
Speaker 1: is they considered that a victory. Okay, she only gotta
Speaker 1: get five hundred thousand dollars because they did never mixed
Speaker 1: the fact that okay, so you did this Bill, Bill
Speaker 1: was off the change man. I'm not saying Bill probably
Speaker 1: deserved to do every for the time, but he did. Listen,
Speaker 1: Bill Cosbi and the only motherfucker they was touching and
Speaker 1: growsing people. You're a rich motherfucker, you do what you
Speaker 1: want these people coming into your circle. These people put
Speaker 1: theirselves in situations that they don't have to be. If
Speaker 1: you knew this motherfucker grow to one time, you know
Speaker 1: not to be around this motherfuck again. On top of that,
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, that black man ain't the only motherfucking man
Speaker 1: that touched people. Hell, Donald Trump say, grabbed the pussy.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was gonna say. Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: probably the worst one of them off. But if you notice,
Speaker 1: he had the same accusation story him, but all those
Speaker 1: people got made look like they were frogs. Why because
Speaker 1: he took a different route than Bill Cosby. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get rid of you, motherfucker's are we gonna pay you?
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's under the table for the ship to go away.
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby felt like, wait a minute, this was too
Speaker 1: long ago. I ain't did that. That was too long ago.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that ship or whatever. I'm not guilty.
Speaker 1: So he thought that ship. He both paying all these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's off and let it go away. You see, I
Speaker 1: think I think Trump and that was with the UM.
Speaker 1: I forget the lady's name that had the accusation against Trump,
Speaker 1: the porn star, but he had already paid her off though,
Speaker 1: so she had a thing to where she she wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to come back and say nothing. Donald Trump ain't
Speaker 1: playing on games. I think Donald Trump is probably more
Speaker 1: gangs than all them dudes. Yes, yeah, because he didn't
Speaker 1: have these type issues and he didn't do a look
Speaker 1: at time, right, So I mean, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's all about the person. It's different. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say try to pull no race card and says
Speaker 1: it's all about the race. But man, let's just be
Speaker 1: drying and cut. I mean, you know, we get the
Speaker 1: hardest sentence than the next motherfucker. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We had looked at as animals and most people eyes
Speaker 1: opposed to I committed the same crime this motherfucker did.
Speaker 1: But I get fifty and he get four what's the
Speaker 1: fucking difference. We both killed the motherfucker. Yeah, why he
Speaker 1: only get four and I get life. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you just gotta look at it that way. And I
Speaker 1: think all black people gotta be careful in any motherfucking way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do, you know, because we're always under surveillance. We
Speaker 1: always um, you know, shout up to my son. Man.
Speaker 1: He just took me and my wife and my family.
Speaker 1: We just went out to Hawaiian. You know, I'm had
Speaker 1: a good time out there. And I noticed we was
Speaker 1: in a really nice hotel, right, and it was real
Speaker 1: weird because you know, you're walking the hallway with somebody
Speaker 1: ain't paying attention to him, but they could tell they
Speaker 1: kind of work wondering about you. So I'm walking behind
Speaker 1: these m this family, right, they got two kids with him,
Speaker 1: one holding the baby, and they're walking and they were
Speaker 1: walking so damn fast, James, like, they're trying to get
Speaker 1: away from me. Then they run to the door in
Speaker 1: the room and they get that. They fight, They mess
Speaker 1: up with a little card to get the room, and
Speaker 1: they heard getting their slamming the door, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: that's that's been happening. And happened to me in my
Speaker 1: early days. You know, you're standing in the market or
Speaker 1: you're standing in the bank and a motherfucker clinched their
Speaker 1: purse or walk past their car and then you walk
Speaker 1: past them and they turn around and go right back
Speaker 1: to their car. They just they just scared of black people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we just do it. Like like me all by myself.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna check you, your husband, all your kids.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna grab y'all and just do whatever I
Speaker 1: want to do. Y'all. It's like it's it's crazy. We've
Speaker 1: been going to that forever and they ain't gonna stop
Speaker 1: no time soon. And I'm gonna tell you what's not
Speaker 1: making it no better? James, you know, you look at r. Kelly,
Speaker 1: You look at that guy Bill calls me me, and
Speaker 1: you both know people personally that they have done things
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be doing right that may not necessarily be
Speaker 1: against the law per se, but like, man, that girl, man,
Speaker 1: you got a daughter, her age. Man, come on, you
Speaker 1: got an exercise better judgment and that Yeah, he know better.
Speaker 1: That's what I said earlier. He know better. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't give a funk if he couldn't read it right,
Speaker 1: He no better if if if you know she's sixteen.
Speaker 1: But the cold thing about that is some of these
Speaker 1: girls don't look sixteen and seventeen. Some of these girls
Speaker 1: are they sixteen seventeen? But saying fast, last girls out here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so after the girls they lying at this point, he
Speaker 1: didn't hit already, so it's too late. So I don't
Speaker 1: even funk. I old you is now I'm man, I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying myself. But the ship that he did, I mean,
Speaker 1: who ain't freaking I like the whoop a motherfucker asked
Speaker 1: and put body que pins and ship on the nipples
Speaker 1: and do whatever you know. But do you understand what's
Speaker 1: going on? She okay, that's cool. It six things, But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's a difference you with another
Speaker 1: consenting a dot. And if y'all decide to go in
Speaker 1: there and poke each other's eyeballs out, that's y'all. Rights
Speaker 1: is grown as a dolts, don't nobody somebody, nobody should
Speaker 1: have anything to say. But when a girl is that young,
Speaker 1: and this is what I truly know, James, and this
Speaker 1: is what you know too. When you're young, you can't process,
Speaker 1: you process things a certain way. It's not necessarily the
Speaker 1: best thing for you. See there you go again. These
Speaker 1: kids be a conscious. These kids get and get them
Speaker 1: v I P. Passes and looking sexy and older than
Speaker 1: what they are and then want to go and meet
Speaker 1: or they go to the rooms and standing by once
Speaker 1: they find out where your rooms and ship that they there.
Speaker 1: So that man and walked into that that that that hotel,
Speaker 1: and uh, you have a whole bunch of boopies right
Speaker 1: there he got he can pick and choose. Let me
Speaker 1: get them through. So he got somebody grabbing motherfucker's. He
Speaker 1: got somebody grabbing motherfucker's out the audience. He got somebody
Speaker 1: grabbing motherfucker's that behind that line. Oh for sure, C James,
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing them. These people are innocent. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it at all. But what I am saying is
Speaker 1: you ask any If you ask any thirty year old
Speaker 1: one in the day, they might have a sorry ass,
Speaker 1: or might have had a relationship that maybe wasn't the
Speaker 1: best thing. May have been an older cat that was
Speaker 1: married at something else. Now she got a kid and
Speaker 1: kind of just getting hit off to the side. If
Speaker 1: you asked her now at thirty if she would do
Speaker 1: the same thing that she did when she was seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 1: them gonna tell you I would do things way different.
Speaker 1: They're actually baring their kids and stuff. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, man, that where you do
Speaker 1: mature as you get older, because I know, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: not the same man at fifty two that I was
Speaker 1: at twenty two. Totally different people. And I know for
Speaker 1: a fact that you're not the same person that you
Speaker 1: are now then you were when you're nineteen and twenty.
Speaker 1: It's just different. You grow and you evolved, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You crossess things differently. So I think
Speaker 1: with these girls with kids, I noticed they live in
Speaker 1: the moment. Well, I was like that, you were like
Speaker 1: that because we feel like we're gonna live forever. We
Speaker 1: don't really think about stuff, see what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: a whole lot of stuff I wish I could go
Speaker 1: back and change. Well, these young girls, they like that
Speaker 1: entertainment ship they liked these same years. They like them
Speaker 1: singers that you know, the Ushers and and all that
Speaker 1: ship genuine and all of the other ship. They like
Speaker 1: that ship. They love entertainment. They love to see that's
Speaker 1: their man of today, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they are vulnerable because that's what they like, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And and when you get a man
Speaker 1: that that's into that type of ship, that has that mindset,
Speaker 1: I'd rather fun with a younger female than an older
Speaker 1: female because I can tame her or my conversation is
Speaker 1: more stronger to her than a woman of age. You know,
Speaker 1: a woman of age ain't been a biting into that
Speaker 1: dumb ships say, yeah, older woman is not going for
Speaker 1: certain stuff, dude, especially when they got their stuff together.
Speaker 1: They don't give a celebrity right. They will tell you, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. This is the way this go.
Speaker 1: They gonna dictate the terms of how things are go
Speaker 1: to go. What I'm saying, You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And if the major thing is still man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what's happening to James. A lot of these
Speaker 1: um guys when they talk to these girls or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's a thing that what you say, they may know
Speaker 1: in the back of their mind to look at us,
Speaker 1: say she's look a little too younger for damn. She
Speaker 1: finds hell, you know, she finds itself. So some people
Speaker 1: sure to choose to ignore the obvious, right, You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Some people play games against the obvious.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you look at her. I don't care
Speaker 1: how she looked. She looked like a baby. She looked
Speaker 1: like jail Baker. To me, we will be honest, man.
Speaker 1: Some some other fuckers just don't care, just don't care.
Speaker 1: But are they predators? Hell yeah, anytime a man up
Speaker 1: with a child, he's in his thirties and forties and
Speaker 1: fifty and you you want a tuny two year old woman,
Speaker 1: That tuny two year old woman ain't gonna make you
Speaker 1: no younger. You're still a old motherfucker. You're still a
Speaker 1: sucking sugar daddy. But you got young women out there
Speaker 1: looking for that older dude. They want to be taking
Speaker 1: care of. They want the money. But you, you solicit
Speaker 1: your body for dumb for you know another thing that
Speaker 1: these young girls not thinking when they're messing with these entertainments.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say no James names James, but it
Speaker 1: is two big R and B stars right now. They've
Speaker 1: got herpes. It's a whole bunch of them running from
Speaker 1: wrong with herpes. There's a punch that I'm running around
Speaker 1: with HIV and whatever else. So you have to be
Speaker 1: really really careful because especially with the fact um with
Speaker 1: everything is able to be managed now because of medicine, right,
Speaker 1: So you know whereas thirty years ago if you had herpes,
Speaker 1: it was almost like, man, my life is over with
Speaker 1: Now people going on with their life and they take
Speaker 1: them feels and they're not giving the damn about springing
Speaker 1: to nobody else because they have the resources to take
Speaker 1: care of theirselves. But they had to go offenstly with
Speaker 1: somebody raw and give them a disease. And I'm talking
Speaker 1: about these girls as young ain't even live their life yet,
Speaker 1: and these people who don't give a damn. So I
Speaker 1: always told my kids without what I told my kids
Speaker 1: was just coming up because one thing is about the James.
Speaker 1: I don't care how good of a parent you think
Speaker 1: you are. You're not gonna stop your kids who want
Speaker 1: to go do their thing. If they want to go do,
Speaker 1: if they got to make it up in their mind,
Speaker 1: they're gonna find a way, just like we found a way.
Speaker 1: They go sneak off and trail off and do stuff.
Speaker 1: They go find a way to go do it, so
Speaker 1: you have to execate them and be real what I am.
Speaker 1: I told all my kids. I said, it is very real,
Speaker 1: herpes is very real. It's all kinds of other stuff
Speaker 1: you can get to that people don't talk about with
Speaker 1: our kids today. They choose not to listen to what
Speaker 1: the parent is saying because even if they get it
Speaker 1: from somebody else, they might believe it. But trying to
Speaker 1: school and groom like my daughter, you know, telling her
Speaker 1: what type of nigga, nothing ever with at that time
Speaker 1: when I had her. You don't want to do like
Speaker 1: your daddy. You don't want no dude like your uncle,
Speaker 1: timity your uncle out. This is what I don't want
Speaker 1: you to do. Any man that put his hands on you,
Speaker 1: any man that called you out of your name, any
Speaker 1: man that just disrespects you, walk away. Don't deal with
Speaker 1: that situation for a year, two years, and then say
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't get out of this bullshit. You
Speaker 1: have a choice, and it shouldn't take you six months
Speaker 1: to find out what type of person you have or
Speaker 1: what you're dealing with. So you know, even though you
Speaker 1: know I explained all this, you know, our kids tend
Speaker 1: to go with the opposite because they have yet to
Speaker 1: live that life. They don't understand it. Even if they
Speaker 1: hear they don't want to hear that from their parents,
Speaker 1: so they think they know everything or I know what
Speaker 1: to do with that. Every were those Thames for a minute,
Speaker 1: that was me. Somebody probably hear my fault my dad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I think no matter what we
Speaker 1: say to our kids, our kids gonna feel that they're
Speaker 1: old enough to make their own decisions. And and we're
Speaker 1: not in fault for that. You know, our kids go
Speaker 1: out and think they're growing and do doing what they're
Speaker 1: doing now. They want to get high and drink because
Speaker 1: their friends doing it. And I tried to show my
Speaker 1: daughter different, but like I said a minute ago, she
Speaker 1: chose to do what she thought or what she think
Speaker 1: is right. And sometimes you know what, and sometimes it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it sounds says. Sometimes that's the best list of the
Speaker 1: life form. When they go here and do what they
Speaker 1: want to and don't turn out right, then they are
Speaker 1: able to process and say, you know what, moms is
Speaker 1: right about that possible telling me the truth. But sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't get you don't get to come back from
Speaker 1: your mistakes. Sometimes right, it's too late. It's too late,
Speaker 1: you know one thing about it. You know, when I
Speaker 1: was in Vegas, man, I've seen these young girls, you know,
Speaker 1: coming into the casinos, you know, seventeen, you know eighteen,
Speaker 1: They walk in the strip, they runaways. So everything every
Speaker 1: nigga out there, every dude out there, excuse me with nigga,
Speaker 1: but every guy out there that was so calling themself
Speaker 1: being pimps, there was like a they are They knew
Speaker 1: who to get, they just by how they and their
Speaker 1: little girls was dressed. So you have a lot of
Speaker 1: kids on the strip, a lot of these young women
Speaker 1: out there being prostituted. Bro, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because they don't want to buy by nor listen to
Speaker 1: what mama, daddy gotta say that's out there right now exactly,
Speaker 1: So they run away from home because they want to
Speaker 1: be grown. But then you got some of them out
Speaker 1: there that I know, um, which they never took that right,
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of saying. You know what, man, life
Speaker 1: is all about choices. It's all about the choices that
Speaker 1: we make, um. And I noticed what that's especially as
Speaker 1: black people, we have a tendency to flame mark choices
Speaker 1: on somebody else right, choices that we make, you know, Like, um,
Speaker 1: if I go out now and decide to go get me.
Speaker 1: Um if I decide right now to Gordon buy me
Speaker 1: anouncer cocaine and I'm gonna flip this in front of
Speaker 1: make some money and I get caught in the way back,
Speaker 1: I can't be mad at nobody else but me. I
Speaker 1: can't be mad at to do the solda to me.
Speaker 1: I can't be mad at the homeboy that might have suggested,
Speaker 1: Hey man, I got a quick way we can come up. No,
Speaker 1: because I made the choice trail off and do what
Speaker 1: I do. You know what I'm saying. So we can't
Speaker 1: blame nobody else but ourselves. And I always tell my kids,
Speaker 1: man is hold yourself accountable because you can't a lot
Speaker 1: of yourself. You can sit up here in a lot
Speaker 1: of me and your mama all day. But don't you
Speaker 1: think that. Don't you think what you're saying right there.
Speaker 1: That's not just with black people. That's what all people
Speaker 1: of coloring. Oh, it's with people of color period. It's
Speaker 1: it's what people in general. People have a tendency to
Speaker 1: blame other people for their problems. Like if you asked
Speaker 1: the average white guy on why he doesn't like black people.
Speaker 1: They will come with some way out stuff that's like
Speaker 1: you like that, But how does that How is that
Speaker 1: applicable to the whole black race? You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But they may have done something out of the pocket before.
Speaker 1: They may have lost the girlfriend to a black do
Speaker 1: before and they hold that they here, Or they might
Speaker 1: have got the ask by one black person before, but
Speaker 1: they might have done something to deserve that ass whooping
Speaker 1: and they're not looking at well, you know what, I
Speaker 1: was out the way and it didn't have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him being black, for me being white. I
Speaker 1: just got my ask for from doing some stupid ship
Speaker 1: one day. Well, you know, I look at it like this, bro.
Speaker 1: Half of the white kids today, even that's fifty and
Speaker 1: in fifties, they don't know nothing about racism. They talked,
Speaker 1: They was taught that ship just like us. We I mean,
Speaker 1: why do we hate some of us hate white people
Speaker 1: because of what they've done to us. I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't live that history. It's our history. You just gotta
Speaker 1: be careful on how you moving maneuver around their asses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you this, James, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you a story real quick, man. When I first came
Speaker 1: out here from a while, You know, I came out
Speaker 1: here from a while. They have put us in these
Speaker 1: apartments to where we had. It was a coolst set up.
Speaker 1: It was like a two bed room apartment to cats
Speaker 1: steak room. Right. You know, we college students, right, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, had a walk strings riding, a nice little kitchen.
Speaker 1: There was a nice little partner. Right. So when they
Speaker 1: put this in there, and the coach did this on purpose,
Speaker 1: I asked him later on, he said, I did it
Speaker 1: on purpose. So you gotta need to know each other.
Speaker 1: We had two cats in there. It was some cats
Speaker 1: in there from Florida, from Miami, Florida. All the brothers
Speaker 1: hung on one side of the department. The white cat
Speaker 1: sung on another side. Right. So, come to find out,
Speaker 1: the catch from Colorado had never been around the black
Speaker 1: people before. You know, my guys Miami and me, we
Speaker 1: always kind of just stayed to our own. He was
Speaker 1: from a lot of racism Florida, a lot of racists,
Speaker 1: hired a lot of racisms. So we kind of had
Speaker 1: the tendency to deal with our own, right. So what
Speaker 1: he did was he made us all switched different badrooms.
Speaker 1: He made black. You gotta stay with him so for
Speaker 1: a room, Nate, Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you wound
Speaker 1: up being one of my best friends. And he was
Speaker 1: a person whose dad was pregnant. He had grew up
Speaker 1: being you know, like being around a lot of racism.
Speaker 1: But his mama was very different. Marlene O'Connor, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest white women I don't never met in my life,
Speaker 1: treated me like a son. She had moved out to
Speaker 1: California to take care of him. Is like second year, right,
Speaker 1: something I thought was crazy. I was like, damn, his
Speaker 1: mama really loved him. You know, she can't way out
Speaker 1: here just to stay you know where he was at,
Speaker 1: left job and everything came. I ain't got an a
Speaker 1: partner right when she came out. Dude, he kind of
Speaker 1: took me with him. So I was staying with them.
Speaker 1: I lived a whole different life, all that struggling I
Speaker 1: was doing their first Dude. They changed, and I would
Speaker 1: never get this woman a dime. She did at the
Speaker 1: kindness of the art, steal one for people. I know.
Speaker 1: So you come from a situation of where you can't
Speaker 1: judge everybody. Now her husband they had divorced by them,
Speaker 1: but he was a very racist man. I didn't like
Speaker 1: black people. So that's how kid was raised a little
Speaker 1: bit of until he met me and found out like, well, man,
Speaker 1: all the stuff my pops told me ain't really true.
Speaker 1: Just dude like my brother. And this is the dude
Speaker 1: that we got for all kids. You know, I tell
Speaker 1: you all the time, kids, the biggest red make on
Speaker 1: the planet, like going hunting, like going hunting for deer,
Speaker 1: drive big trucks and everything else. You feel me there
Speaker 1: we go, yeah, my back, it's all good. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know you can't um, you can't like everything even
Speaker 1: always is black and white as we'd like to make it.
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying exactly. And you know I learned that,
Speaker 1: you know, with grand Kidding and his wife, with Greg
Speaker 1: and Donna. You know, I didn't know them from for nothing,
Speaker 1: their son. When I went to Australia, man, they treated
Speaker 1: me like I was one of their own. And this
Speaker 1: is the first time I ever interact with white people
Speaker 1: like that. So no, I didn't want to stay in
Speaker 1: the same house with them when I was down there,
Speaker 1: but just being there they made sure I was okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: The conversation. Greg actually gave me one of my uh
Speaker 1: my insolent shots, you know what I'm saying. So they
Speaker 1: looked out for me. My fucking wife didn't even give
Speaker 1: They never gave me a shot. So it's not the
Speaker 1: color of the skin that you look for. And you
Speaker 1: just see the different genuine people gonna be genuine people, bro,
Speaker 1: Just like that dude, he had to see and understand
Speaker 1: that he's in the room with a with a black man,
Speaker 1: So all his inferiors went away because you was a
Speaker 1: good black man. You know what I'm saying. All black
Speaker 1: people are not thugs and violent, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a dude that James, if you saw
Speaker 1: this dude. First of all, Kevin has always been real swollen.
Speaker 1: He wanted the real swollow white dudes. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: always got always lift the weights, always got on like
Speaker 1: some sweats or something. Right, right, we wound up being
Speaker 1: thick of Steves though. Man wound up just being cool
Speaker 1: and me and him couldn't be no more opposite than
Speaker 1: anything else. Should be listening to different music, listening to
Speaker 1: different everything. But he was just today yeah right, yeah
Speaker 1: we're cool. Yeah he back, Um, he lives actually in
Speaker 1: um the Philip Pennsylvanity, the p A and got a
Speaker 1: truck in business. He got three or four trucks got
Speaker 1: It might be good to get him on the show,
Speaker 1: and let's hear how how he felt about it happening
Speaker 1: to interact with you, understand, kid, I gotta see kids
Speaker 1: with that for sure. It would be real interesting. But
Speaker 1: you know when I say all that to say, man,
Speaker 1: like you know, I hear a lot of brothers they
Speaker 1: think with the r. Kelly stuff, it was a racism involved.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, maybe to a certain
Speaker 1: degree with the sentencing, I don't know if it has
Speaker 1: anything to do with racism or more versus that people
Speaker 1: are just taking a hard line of ship like that
Speaker 1: right now. As far as mistreating women, you feel what
Speaker 1: I mean, they're taking a hard line on it right now, man,
Speaker 1: And it's an element of race. I'm not so eager
Speaker 1: to say, James, that ain't an element of racism to it.
Speaker 1: Because his sentencing was wrong. They brought in things that
Speaker 1: didn't have nothing to do with his trial. He didn't
Speaker 1: kidnap nobody, He wasn't not there forcing nobody into being
Speaker 1: sexual slaves. He wasn't forced nobody to do nothing. He
Speaker 1: just how mean, how many rich white kids get slapt
Speaker 1: on the rig on the risk for a girl? Holland
Speaker 1: ray Bar he touched me in appropriate leg? How many
Speaker 1: of them get slapped, you know, get slapped on the risk?
Speaker 1: You know, it is a different bro It is a difference.
Speaker 1: It is about the color you know, your skin when
Speaker 1: it comes to certain things. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I said, I think it played. I definitely think racism.
Speaker 1: We gotta be one hunting with it. Yeah, played has
Speaker 1: it has some elements James of racism because of the
Speaker 1: sense because you know, when they started talking about they
Speaker 1: pretty much him like he was a pimp, like he
Speaker 1: was like not not just a pimp, like he was
Speaker 1: a child smuggler, human trafficking and something. They like he
Speaker 1: was human trafficking. But how do you give him that?
Speaker 1: And and and he's the only motherfucker's indicted. He the
Speaker 1: only motherfucker that's doing time in prison. What about the
Speaker 1: people his entourage? How do he get these girls? How
Speaker 1: do we do this? So they didn't give a funk
Speaker 1: about investigating that type of ship. They just went after him,
Speaker 1: not at all. And some of those parents should have
Speaker 1: went to jail. Two. I think if this happens right now,
Speaker 1: let's say my daughter five years old before and I
Speaker 1: decided to leave her here at the thing. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the story. Of course, you stay
Speaker 1: here and watch TV. I'll come back to the house
Speaker 1: on fire, and she on que three or four people.
Speaker 1: I'm going to jail flex that was my responsibility. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't left a five year old. Now leave Linel A
Speaker 1: Linel smarter than will, but you won't go leave Linel
Speaker 1: by itself somewhere from a long time. So what you're
Speaker 1: saying is those parents knew that their child was gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: parents knew from the beginning that their kid was gone,
Speaker 1: whether they cleaped out and went to uh cowbo with
Speaker 1: with with R Kelly and then once they found out,
Speaker 1: should data called the police and say this grown as
Speaker 1: man's it's working with my daughter bringing out of town
Speaker 1: when he and see my whole thing is this. If
Speaker 1: it would have been me and my daughter, I would
Speaker 1: have been meeting their grass up there caw bow. I
Speaker 1: would have been when she came and tried to creep
Speaker 1: back in that thing. I'd have been waiting downstairs in
Speaker 1: the dark, and I'd admit them outside or whatever soon
Speaker 1: as they nick with the dropper off. He just saw
Speaker 1: my face looking at his window, because I think I
Speaker 1: would have wanted to know what was going on, because,
Speaker 1: first of all, that's my responsibility. If my daughter is fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, James,
Speaker 1: and she sneak out this motherfucker at eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning to o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: it's my fault, right, it's my fault. That's my bad
Speaker 1: for not paying attention, because you gotta know your kids,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people listen to nial on who
Speaker 1: their kids are. James. I've never worked rose colored lenses
Speaker 1: when it came to who my keys was. So if
Speaker 1: somebody came and told me your kids de sux, I
Speaker 1: wasn't so quick to say with you. A lot of
Speaker 1: my child would never do that. You don't know what
Speaker 1: your kids capable of. You got a lot of motherfucker's
Speaker 1: out of here talking about their kids pretty, but they're
Speaker 1: ugly and the motherfucker. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: talk about my grandkids. I talked about that Mama's I
Speaker 1: talked about everybody. If you're ugly, ugly like me. If
Speaker 1: if you're ugly ugly, don't go out there acting like
Speaker 1: you this and that. But you know, and I think
Speaker 1: I hear you though, yeah, Like if you're looking at
Speaker 1: this R. Kelly stuff. Though a lot of these fingers
Speaker 1: are sitting up here boo who and this their daughters
Speaker 1: was fast as hell? Should they be accountable for that?
Speaker 1: They should be accountable for that because the thing heils
Speaker 1: You allowed it. You allowed it. You took her over
Speaker 1: there with this man. You knew what he was about.
Speaker 1: You could listen to this man's music. First of all,
Speaker 1: change if my daughter was a singer and R. Kelly
Speaker 1: was talking about doing so. Now I'm like, R Kelly,
Speaker 1: you finally do some beats on it or something like that.
Speaker 1: But as far as I've messed with to your stuff
Speaker 1: was a little too sexy. Suggested First, he's a young girl.
Speaker 1: You gotta have common sense. It's a difference. Now Disney
Speaker 1: is hitting me up about my daughter or somebody like
Speaker 1: um to do that type of music that caters towards
Speaker 1: younger people or something like that. That makes more sense.
Speaker 1: But this dude, everything he does sound like it's one
Speaker 1: of his songs. R. Kelly tells you who he is
Speaker 1: on every song. They should be accounting before it and
Speaker 1: see the cold thing about it is, man, people don't
Speaker 1: see it know him. Child abuse don't only come in
Speaker 1: the form of whooping the kid's ass. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Child abuse is a motherfucker. If you allow
Speaker 1: a twelve thirteen, fifteen, six and young kids to do
Speaker 1: what the punk they want as a parent, that's child abuse.
Speaker 1: Should abuse. It's it's like you got some parents. I
Speaker 1: do some parents James and I was in high school.
Speaker 1: I had some humps. I had certain homies. You go
Speaker 1: over their house. They was allowed to drink beer. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of the smoke weed, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of and they did this stuff all when their
Speaker 1: mother was an house living room smoking the joint fifteen
Speaker 1: sixty years old. Mims might walk by hit it and
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm looking at this ship, like damn, I'm
Speaker 1: this ship is crazy dog y'all. They're like, man, you
Speaker 1: want to know I'm cool? Well know him. That's why
Speaker 1: you know. I wouldn't even sit down and and and
Speaker 1: get drunk with my kids. My sons, my daughter. You know,
Speaker 1: you see these these little cats hanging next to pops
Speaker 1: and and Mom's smoking weed together. That's unheard of. So
Speaker 1: I'm a kid, You're not a parent no more, you're
Speaker 1: a friend. You wanted the homies, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know it's just how we're pairing. And you know,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna take nothing from nobody because I made
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes as a as a young father,
Speaker 1: you know, going to pre but I can honestly say
Speaker 1: I never did any type of sucking drugs with my kids.
Speaker 1: I didn't allow my boys to sagging their pants. I
Speaker 1: didn't allow my boys to have in rings. Right now
Speaker 1: to day now one of my sons ears appears northern
Speaker 1: is mine. So it's just certain things I did. It
Speaker 1: wasn't about the money factor for me and my kids.
Speaker 1: My kids was good. But being a parent, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna go down the road I went down. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna if I caught you with Japans hanging off your
Speaker 1: grass were bee from the pipe. So there's no excuses
Speaker 1: for us with children. And I don't give a funk
Speaker 1: what type of man you are. I don't give a funk.
Speaker 1: What type of woman you are? You know, it's natural
Speaker 1: instances that that helps you do the right thing when
Speaker 1: it comes to being a parent, and everybody ignores that.
Speaker 1: Most people ignored, such as myself. But I understood. I understood.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say me because I understood. My sons
Speaker 1: ain't like that. My right down to day I got.
Speaker 1: I got my son out there in Texas doing real good.
Speaker 1: M My oldest son is raised in. His daughter. She's
Speaker 1: fifteen and he's been having her since day one, straight
Speaker 1: out to her school. He's doing good. He's been working
Speaker 1: as a pharmacy tech for him. My son is thirty
Speaker 1: seven and he's been working in since he was nineteen. Thing,
Speaker 1: yeah he he when when you know, he was going
Speaker 1: back to school at this daughter came. But he found
Speaker 1: out that being a single parent with a baby, it's
Speaker 1: a motherfucker what he is man, especially for a dude. Man,
Speaker 1: it changed. It's hard to raise kids, man. And you
Speaker 1: ain't got to tell me. I've been trying to throw
Speaker 1: Nino at the house, but for over three and a
Speaker 1: half years. I mean, you have to stop everything. And
Speaker 1: that's what these young women don't understand. Once you become
Speaker 1: a parent. That means you're a parent. You have to
Speaker 1: protect and provide for this child. It ain't for grandmama
Speaker 1: and granddaddy to do. You had to go. You have
Speaker 1: to do it. There was certain choices I had to make, James,
Speaker 1: when I had my son, it was certain choices I
Speaker 1: had to make, and I said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay Tempto was down to be the man and
Speaker 1: my son's life that he deserves. It. Hedn't asked to
Speaker 1: be here, right, it ain't they funk? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't ask to be here. So hell yeah. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of sacrifices of me and my wife
Speaker 1: both had to make a lot of second plice. The
Speaker 1: first thing was us getting married. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I said, man, I won't stop the roll a certain way.
Speaker 1: So we was married, right, you know, so we married.
Speaker 1: I held it down. It's been a long time and
Speaker 1: I ain't go to the pen say it's been all
Speaker 1: peaks and cream dough. But it's been pretty good. It's
Speaker 1: been more good than bad, and that's what matters. Been
Speaker 1: more good than that. Man. Well, I think this one
Speaker 1: right here, man, this one for the books, right here exams. Right,
Speaker 1: it's good, it's good. And then I'm glad that that
Speaker 1: we're able to voice ote opinion on certain things like this,
Speaker 1: because everybody got their own perception of, oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: good for Kelly, not just for Kelly, everybody. Other people
Speaker 1: should have been accountable for what the fun is going on,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you know, it's just
Speaker 1: sucked up that some of us just get the raw
Speaker 1: handled and ship and it is what it is, bro,
Speaker 1: it is what it is.