1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technologies with 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello there, everyone, 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Polett, 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: and I'm the tech editor here at how stuff works 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: dot Com. Sitting across from me, as usual, is senior 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: writer Jonathan Strickland. Hey there, So, uh you like pumpkins? 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: I do like pumpkins, like pumpkin pie. I like pumpkin pancakes. 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I like pumpkin cookies, like those pumpkin lattees that you 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: can get over at the Starbucks. I like pumpkin seeds 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: have been roasted for a long time. And you know 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: what I really like was that chunkin pumpkins. I was 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: gonna say, if you're gonna do that, you know, I 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: have all those things you gotta you have to bust 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: some pumpkins. Yeah, and you know what, there's no more 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: effective way than busting a pumpkin than by propelling it 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: several hundred feet into a field. You know, I I 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: kind of doubt that, but it's nowhere near as much 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: fun as doing it. It's definitely the one of the 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: more spectacular ways to get at pumpkin enterds. Well, if 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: you're going to do that, then you should probably tune 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: in on the Science Channel in November twenty six for 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: the Road to Punkin Chunkin and then at nine o'clock 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: Punkin Chunkin. Yes, eight and nine o'clock. Those are when 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: those shows come on. You get to see all how 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: all these these folks put together various pumpkin propelling devices, 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: so everything from catapults to trebuches, two cannons to there's 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: a centrifugal one where it has to make a full 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: rotation before it can release the pumpkin. Release the pumpkin. 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: I like to pretend like there's some sort of besieging 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: army that is being pelted by pumpkins. That would be fun. 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: I would definitely turn around and run if I I 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: saw pumpkins flying at me at high lost. Yeah, no, kitten, 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, you guys should check that out. Yeah, let's 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: move on to our topic of discuss ship. Yes, today 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more somber. Although in the past 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: we've discussed somber stuff, we've been accused of being a 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: little too somber. So we're gonna be goofy, what happens 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: after you die and you've got all these social networks? Um? 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, No, this is actually a question that's that's 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: getting some traction. Uh, what's a good question because because 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: we didn't have to worry about this stuff until recently, right, 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: more and more of us are getting involved in having 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: some sort of online presence on a social network like 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: Facebook or Twitter, my Space or whatever, um even flicker 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: things like that. And as we do that, we have 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: to start asking ourselves some pretty tough questions like if 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: I if I were to pass away, if I were 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: to die somehow I walked out of here and got 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: hit by a bus, what happens to that information? Does 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: it stay there forever? Could someone else access it? Could 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: people who hated me leave really nasty messages about me 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: after I die, making my family and friends upset? Assuming 54 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: I have any friends. I mean, we're doing a hypothetical here, 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: right right, But I mean that that's the thing is 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: that in all these cases, you know, it's all sort 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: of hypothetical because it depends on who you're talking about. Yeah, so, 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: because you know, anybody and everybody is creating a social 59 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: networking and there there are no guidelines in the United 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: States at any rate to official rules suggest Yeah, there's 61 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: nothing that's there are no laws in place that species 62 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: specify what social networking sites can and cannot do, or 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: you know, any kind of rules they should follow should 64 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: one of the members pass away. Uh, that hasn't stopped 65 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: some of the sites from formulating their own policies. And 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to that in a second. But a lot 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: of what happens depends upon you and your family. So 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: let's start with what you can do in order to 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: protect your your online presence, or even just as a 70 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: way of letting people you know online what has happened. 71 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there there are people who have lots and 72 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: lots of friends who their main and sometimes only way 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: of connecting with these people is through social networks. I mean, 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: I've got a ton of friends that, UM, I don't 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: email them, I don't call them, but I see their 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: updates on Facebook. I might see a tweet from them 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: something like that. UM. So if I were to die, 78 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: how would how would how would I How would anyone 79 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: get the word out to them? UM? Here's some options 80 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: you can have. One, of course, is that you make 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: a record of all your user name and password information 82 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: and you entrust that to someone. Now you can get 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: because most most sites that do have policies require somebody 84 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: to notify them with official proof. Right. So, but let's 85 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: assume that the site you're we're talking about here doesn't 86 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: necessarily have an official policy. Now, they may handle things 87 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: on a case by case basis. But if you wanted 88 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: to try and just do a blanket approach so that 89 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: no matter what the site was, your family wouldn't have 90 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: to go through the process of contacting the site verifying 91 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: your death that kind of thing. Um, all they would 92 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: have to do is they would have the the information there. 93 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: They could just go ahead and log in into the 94 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: to your account. So you could create a record of 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: all your log in information and give it to someone, 96 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: or you could use a service like legacy Locker, which 97 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: allows you to store use your name and password information 98 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: for a fee, an annual fee or an upfront one 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: time cost. I think the one time cost is right 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: now and the year lea fee is I think is twenty, 101 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: so they would store the information for you. Uh. Some 102 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: people suggest that maybe that's not the best approach because 103 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: it's a weak point of attack. If a hacker were 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: to somehow access that information, they would have all of 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: your log in information for all of your sites. Uh. 106 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: Some people suggest that one thing you could do is 107 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: just give half of your inform nation to one source 108 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: and the other half to another. So you might give 109 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: your user names to one person and the passwords to 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: another and not let them know who the other one was, 111 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: like the secret formula. But then how do they know 112 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: to hook up after you've passed away and then get 113 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: all the information out? Or you could tell them about 114 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: each other. Or you could lock one set in a 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: company like Legacy Locker and that has the the uh, 116 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: the directions to release that information upon your death, and 117 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: then the person would have the first half of it 118 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: could put together in the access the information. It seems 119 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: like you could put it in a safe deposit. Poah, 120 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: you could do that too. The issue that has brought 121 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: up often is that most people don't even think about it, 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: and even when right, yeah, you draft a will, you 123 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think who gets my Facebook? You know, just 124 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: you're you're worried about this? Yeah, yeah, they don't think 125 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: of pro troofiles like property. Yeah, I mean you're not 126 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: talking about it. Who takes care of your kids and 127 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: what happens to the house, and you know who's going 128 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to get the cat right, and and it also concerns 129 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: other people. It's not like your profile is just your information. 130 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: So on let's let's use Facebook as an example again, 131 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: because that's that's one of the most recognizable social networking 132 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: sites in the United States. I would argue it's the 133 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: most and and they have a policy which but with Facebook, 134 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, you've got your information that you've put into 135 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: your profile, but there's also all the information people have left, 136 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: like if they've flagged photos of you, if they've left 137 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: messages on your wall, if they've you know, if you've 138 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: installed applications that allow people to interact with your profile 139 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: in various ways. There's a lot of different information there 140 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: that is not technically generated by you, and so that 141 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: raises questions too, like who owns that information? Now, if 142 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: you read the terms of service, technically Facebook does, Facebook 143 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: owns the rights to display all that information. But um, 144 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: but you know, again, if you're applying this to other 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: sites across the internet, depending on the terms of service, 146 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a tricky situation. It's not necessarily 147 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: cut and dry. So um, but let's say that, you know, 148 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: let's say that you have not set aside all your 149 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: user name, password information. You haven't you have not collected 150 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: your log in information for someone to get hold of 151 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: after your death, and then well you can't do anything 152 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: really because you know, you're just kind of moldering in 153 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: the grave. You know, you're such an outlet. They're pretty 154 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: much done as far as the uh, the whole pursuing 155 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: the social networking thing goes. I mean, there may be 156 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: a death book out there, but um, I'm not privy 157 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: to it yet. Yeah, you know they're they're anyway. Um. Oh, 158 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: well that's true, but we won't. We don't need to 159 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: get into that yet. But um but yeah, so what 160 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: can your family and friends do? So, in the case 161 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: of Facebook, again using them as an example, you have 162 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: to contact Facebook officials and give them proof. Uh you 163 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: know that someone somebody you know has passed away, someone 164 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: with a Facebook profile, because they don't care if it's 165 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, just some random person. Seriously. Okay, well I'm 166 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: just pointing. I'm just saying it because someone's going to 167 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: write in, Uh, there's an online form. Facebook has an 168 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: actual online form that you go in and you fill out. 169 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: You include the person's name and their profile information and 170 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: an obituary. You know, you have to have a link 171 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: to an obituary or some news article like, uh, you know, 172 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: let's say that your friend um, you know, burned up 173 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: on reentry after being shot through the air by a tribute. 174 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that would have to be an awfully 175 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: powerful tribute to get them outside the atmosphere. I'll show 176 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: you my plans after the podcast, but you have to 177 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: you have to send them proof. Yeah, so you've sent 178 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: them the proof and then Facebook's what they what they 179 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: will do is they give you two options. The family 180 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: and choose to either close the account, which means that 181 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Facebook will delete all that information. It will be gone. 182 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: Anyone who was friends with you will now see an 183 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: empty spot. There will there will there will no longer 184 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: be a you in that friends list. The other option 185 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: is to turn it into a memorial site, a memorial profile. Now, 186 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: memorial profiles are special in that the only people who 187 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: can interact with memorial profiles are pre existing friends, people 188 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: who were friends with with the person before they died, 189 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: So random people cannot suddenly befriend a dead person. And 190 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: leave messages on that person's memorial wall. Only the people 191 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: who are already friends can leave any sort of messages. 192 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: They can only post to the wall. Really, they cannot 193 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: UH status updates things like that, those are all deleted. 194 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Personal identification information can also be deleted, things like UH addresses, 195 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: phone numbers, that kind of thing, So to prevent people 196 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: from just ending UH information or letters or whatever to 197 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: the family. A lot of families say that while they 198 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: understand the compassion that strangers may have for someone who 199 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: passes away, it can actually make it more difficult to 200 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: deal with the grieving process when people are constantly bringing 201 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: it up to you and you have you know, there's 202 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: no you have no connection to these people because they 203 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: are getting something off their chest. But you can't really 204 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't know them, there's no way 205 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: to kind of reciprocate that, right, So you just get 206 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: more and more burdened on you while these people are 207 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: expressing compassion UH. And it's it's a difficult thing because 208 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, as a compassionate person, of course, I would 209 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: feel sorry for someone who had lost a person that 210 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: was important to them, even if I didn't know who 211 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: that person was. But I don't want to add more 212 00:11:53,880 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: burden to the griever then they're already experiencing. So that 213 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: information is taken away. The SaaS updates are taken away, 214 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: which is probably a good thing because you know, it 215 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: depends on what your last status update was. You do 216 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: not want your last stas update to say something like, dude, 217 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: I was so drunk last night. I don't even know 218 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: the person I woke up with. That would be an 219 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: awkward last word to have on your Facebook, So that 220 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: gets deleted. But friends and family can leave messages on 221 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: your wall, and many of them use the Facebook a 222 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: sort of a gathering place to grieve and to heal 223 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: and to offer support to one another and to share 224 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: memories of the person who has passed away. And uh, 225 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: and in that sense, it's a it can be a 226 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: very valuable asset for people who are trying to deal 227 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: with the loss. Um. But yeah, so those are your 228 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: two choices. That's that's the two basic choices. And uh, 229 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: not every site does this. Not every site has a 230 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: specific policy to handle this kind of situation. And like, um, 231 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: my Space for a really long time, I mean that 232 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: the thing about my Space was they handled everything on 233 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: a case by case basis. Yeah, yeah, so um yeah, right, 234 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: now there's information up at the site and it says 235 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: that you need to provide um an obituary or a 236 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: death certificate, and they give you an email address to 237 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: send it to you, and you write from a personal 238 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: email address and explain your connection to the person who 239 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: has passed away and your request to delete the profile 240 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: entirely or to you know, remove certain parts of it. 241 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't appear that there is some kind of a 242 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: memorial account um. Of course, in either case you have 243 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: to let them know because otherwise, you know, they have 244 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: no way of knowing. So then the account will just 245 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: continue indefinitely until somebody says, hey, you know this person 246 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: is no longer around yeah Facebook. Facebook specifically UM states 247 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: that they will not delete a user account UH for 248 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: inactivity at all. You you have to either request it 249 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: yourself or again if someone has way. Someone has to 250 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: be able to requested improved that the person has passed away, 251 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: so the otherwise the the account will just sit there forever. 252 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: And of course if it's not turned into a memorial account, 253 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: all the rules are out the window. The sas updates 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: are still gonna be there. People can leave whatever messages 255 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: they want. People. If you have not set your profile 256 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: to private, people will be able to find you in search. 257 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: They cannot find you in search if your account has 258 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: been turned to a memorial account, if they are no longer, 259 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: if they have never been your friend, they won't be 260 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: able to find the profile. Um so all of that 261 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: is off the table. If no one speaks up on 262 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: your behalf when you pass away, your account will just 263 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: sit there indefinitely until Facebook itself crumbles to the to dust. 264 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: But uh um, yeah, I mean that's that's something to 265 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: think about. Two. I mean it's weird to think about 266 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: this because really, to the people who have passed away, 267 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: it's not really gonna matter. You know, you, You no 268 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: longer need to have earthly concerns like who is leaving 269 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: what on your profile. It's more for the people who 270 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: are left behind. Which is a weird way to think 271 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: about it, because your profile is a very personal thing. 272 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: It's all about you, but all of it, Yeah, it's 273 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: all about It's all about the people who knew you. 274 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: So it's a weird, weird. Wait, you have to shift 275 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: your thinking when you get to this this kind of situation. 276 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Uh So, let's uh, think about some other elements of 277 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: social networking passing away. UM. Facebook has a specific policy 278 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: in place that it will not divulge login information to anyone, right, so, uh, 279 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: your privacy is protected in that sense. There no one's 280 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: gonna be able to log into your account unless they're 281 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: able to guess your password or you've given your password 282 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: to someone. Uh. No one's gonna be able to log 283 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: into your account and change anything, which is good because 284 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: that would also be very upsetting to see someone's profile 285 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: change after they've passed away. Yeah, that's a very sick joke. Uh, 286 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: even if it's done with the best of intentions, I 287 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: would imagine that would have some pretty nasty repercussions from 288 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: friends and family who would think it would not be 289 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: kind of crass. So uh so Facebook does not give 290 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: that information out to anyone. UM. And when it converts 291 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: a profile into a memorial profile, there's no way to 292 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: log into that profile, even if you have the user 293 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: name and password. So if if you've given the user 294 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: name and password to someone, but they choose to convert 295 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: your profile to two memorial status, uh, no one will 296 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: be able to get into that and make any changes 297 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: from that point on. Um and again other sites, it's 298 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: more of a case by case basis. A lot of 299 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: them haven't really thought of it. I mean, when you're 300 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: creating a social networking site, this is the sort of 301 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: thing that's like furthest from your mind. You're really trying 302 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: to think of ways to create an environment where people 303 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: can connect with one another and use your application and 304 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: uh and and have it grow in popularity. You're not 305 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: necessarily thinking, oh, what do I do if someone passes away? Um. 306 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: Then suddenly you you get confronted with an email. You know, 307 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: you just completed around venture capital funding and you're thinking 308 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: about how cool it is that you have this new 309 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: side up, and then suddenly somebody goes, hey, you know, 310 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: I hate to buggy about this, but you know, yeah, So, 311 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a difficult situation. It's not 312 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: and it's not something that it's fun to think about 313 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: by initiation imagination, but it is something that's worth thinking about. Yeah, 314 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: And I mean because a lot of this information, I 315 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: mean it sort of depends on the account, but this 316 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: information is out there on the server somewhere, and eventually, 317 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: who knows where it's gonna end up. And you know, 318 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: I shall also point out that we're recording this uh 319 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: in early November two thousand nine, late October two thou nine, 320 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: Facebook made this this sort of approach official. But they've 321 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: been the company had been doing this for a couple 322 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: of years. It was just it was quiet. I mean, 323 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: you you could contact them and you could have profiles 324 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: converted to memorial profiles. UH already. It's just that they 325 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: kind of they kind of made it an official announcement 326 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: in October. Part of that is probably due to Canada, 327 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: because there are major concerns about online privacy in Canada, 328 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of companies that are springing up that 329 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: are all about social networking raise concerns in the Canadian 330 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: government's mind about not that the Canadian government has one mind, 331 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: but the minds of government officials in Canada that um 332 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: that perhaps they are not as careful about protecting privacy 333 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: as they should be. And when Canada started looking into 334 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: things like that specifically at Facebook, one of the elements 335 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: in there was, you know, I have a have a 336 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: well defined policy of what happens if someone were to 337 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: pass away and what would be done with that person's information. 338 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: So that probably has something to do with it. And 339 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: I suppose that probably also means that there are other 340 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: sites that are working on developing policies that can be 341 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: clearly outlined. And I would imagine so, and you know, 342 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: you think about it, there's so many sites out there. 343 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I just think of all the different sites that this 344 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: applies to. And it's not just the things like Facebook 345 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: and my Space. It's yeah, I mean I checked on 346 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: Twitter and didn't see a thing, you know, photo photo 347 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: sharing sites, YouTube, YouTube videos. Um, I mean, goodness knows 348 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: that YouTube is already one of those places where I 349 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: think the nastiest comments on the Internet kind of pop 350 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: up on YouTube. Stuff on there. It's YouTube and four chan. 351 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: That's what the two places where you're gonna see the 352 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: the the most tool curling, frightening stuff. Ever, that's not 353 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: a knock against four Chan. I'm just saying, you go 354 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: into that random channel, you are you are taking your 355 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: Internet in your own hands. My friends, Um, those guys 356 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: they play off and now, I mean, you know they 357 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: find it fun, so more power to them. They're mostly 358 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: doing it to each other. So uh but the yeah, YouTube, 359 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: same sort of thing, not same sort of thing, but YouTube. 360 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: You see like these comments that can be really really critical. 361 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: You don't want to see that popping up after someone 362 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: passes away. What what if they're keeping a video journal 363 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: and people are leaving nasty comments on that last video 364 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: journal entry. That's something that the family and friends are 365 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: are possibly going to want to to revisit, as you know, 366 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: this is a memory of someone they knew and it's 367 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: the most recent version of whatever. And yeah, so there 368 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: are a lot of things to think about, and we 369 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: don't have answers for all of this because once again, 370 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: technology is moving faster than culture is. And uh, I'm 371 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: sure that we're going to see a lot more movement 372 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: on this in various ways. We're probably gonna see a 373 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: lot of missteps where people are going to do what 374 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: they think is the right thing. It's gonna come back 375 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: and blow up in their face. It's just bound to 376 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: happen because we're human beings. We make mistakes. Um. The 377 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: thing important thing to remember is that I think everyone 378 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: has the the same goal in mind, which is to 379 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: respect the members who joined the community. Um. It may 380 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: be that they take the wrong path, but I think 381 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: as long as everyone keeps that understanding, uh, we will 382 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: eventually get to the right solution. I think Facebook is 383 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: definitely on the right track. I can't really find any 384 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: fault in in their process. No, and it's uh, it's 385 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: pretty well thought out, you know, with different different contingencies. 386 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: And you know the fact that there is a memorial 387 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: account is pretty nice. Ye. Yeah, I would like to 388 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: say right now, I hope I don't see one for 389 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: a really long time. So so to all my Facebook friends, 390 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: eat your venis. Unless you're allergic, then don't. Okay, got 391 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: anything else, Okay, let's let's move on to a little 392 00:21:53,800 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: listener mail. This listener mail comes from ROSEMARYE. And Rosemary says, Hi, guys, 393 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: I really like playing the old games on the original 394 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: versions of Nintendo and have been rather confused by how 395 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: duck Hunt and similar arcade games work. The gun console 396 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: has kind of left me bewildered, and I would like 397 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: to learn about it. I don't know if you have 398 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: covered this in a podcast or not, but I'm really 399 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: curious in knowing how it works. Thanks much, Rosemary. Well, Rosemary, Uh, 400 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: we have an article about this. It's actually a very 401 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: short one, but I'll give you a kind of a 402 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: rundown on how the light gun works for video games. 403 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: So light guns have a little sensor in them called 404 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: a photo diode in the barrel. All right, that's since 405 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: since his light that comes from your television screen. When 406 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: you pull the trigger, it causes it sends a signal 407 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: to the video game. It makes the television flash for 408 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: a second. It flashes very very briefly. That's what the 409 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: flash you see whenever you're playing Duck Hunt or Gumshoe 410 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: or any of those other games that involved the light gun. 411 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: And when that screen flashes, what's happening is it's blanking 412 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: the screen and painting just the target a single color. 413 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: So you're either getting a black screen with a white 414 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: object or a white screen with a black object. And 415 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: if the diode is able to pick up that object, 416 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: it counts it as a hit. So it all has 417 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: to do with sensing light. And it does this really 418 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: really fast, so we just see the screen flicker. We 419 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: don't necessarily see the actual, you know, outline of the object. 420 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: But that's why you'll see that that quick flash whenever 421 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: you're playing with those old light gun games. And um, 422 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of a neat, neat way of a really 423 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: creative way of causing finding a new user interface for 424 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: video games I thought it was pretty cool. So, um, 425 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: now the newer games are different there. They don't necessarily 426 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: use that same technology like the WE games. They use 427 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: that that's using an accelerometer and other elements to detect 428 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: where your WE mode is pointed. There's an infrared ray, 429 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: there's a sensor that's that's a different monster altogether. We're 430 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: talking about the old games here. It would be it 431 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: would have to be constantly flashing as you use your 432 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, WE remote as, and then those of us 433 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: with epilepsy would really hate playing games, yes, exactly. Fortunately 434 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: that's not how it works, So Rose Marie, I hope 435 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: that answers your question. 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