1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That lovely face on the 4 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: other side of the zoom call is the one and 5 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: only super producer, Max Williams. They called me Ben, mostly 6 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: because that's that's the name I go by, and uh, Noel, 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: we're you know. I was thinking this. I heard one 8 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: of our older episodes right when the pandemic was hitting 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: and we were such a sweet summer children. Oh my goodness, 10 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: weren't we? I did? I didn't I sound pensive just 11 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: then when you said my name, METICS went because today's 12 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: a serious episode. Uh no, it's true, man, we've we've 13 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: been through it, at least in terms of the podcast, 14 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and also you know, we're right there alongside the rest 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: of humanity. But yeah, it was weird going from like 16 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: hanging out in person to just like being a little 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: floating faces on a screen. But thankfully we're both fully vaccinated, 18 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: and despite some of the weirdness and trepidation, we're having 19 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: to approach this whole new variant with I think maybe 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: one day we'll be back to doing it in person again. 21 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: At least, you know, occasionally, but um, we've definitely throughout 22 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 1: the pandemic. You know, we've seen a lot of stories 23 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: we've talked about that have parallels, and the Spanish flu 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: is one that keeps coming up because there was even 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: like an anti masker kind of sentiments wrapped up in 26 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: the Spanish flu. There were a lot of interesting parallels 27 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: to the way it was handled and the way it 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: was kind of politicized. We also recently did a story 29 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: on stuff that I want you to know about some 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: folks that were taking advantage of the rolling out of 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: vaccines in India, I think specifically by setting up these 32 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: kind of fake vaccine clinics and charging you know, people 33 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: who were very desperate to get vaccinated in a country 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: where it wasn't particularly available. Um, and I think, you know, 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: giving them something approaching like a saline you know injection, right, 36 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: remember that one? Then? Yeah, yeah, I do know, And 37 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: that was definitely not the vaccine they were supposed to 38 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: be giving these people. Today's episode makes me think of 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: the millions of medical professionals who were doing hazardous, sometimes 40 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous, always incredibly tiring work and continue to do 41 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: so during this pandemic and civilization this is not hyperbolic. 42 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Civilization depends on these people. Uh. And when you see 43 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: a bad one, they get a lot of press, like 44 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned and uh, that piece on those incredibly dishonest 45 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: folks in India. UM. I believe there was someone in 46 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: Central Europe as well, maybe Germany or Austria who is 47 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: also behaving poorly. And today's story is about someone who 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: frankly blows those folks out of the water. Uh felt ridiculous. Historians. 49 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: We are going to introduce you to a quote unquote nurse, 50 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: a con artist that you may have never heard of, 51 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: but one who was infamous in her time for being 52 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: just they'll say it the worst, Yeah, the absolute worst. Um. 53 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Her name was Julia Lyons. She was twenty three years 54 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: old at the height of her crimes. She's definitely like 55 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: a early bloomer. And essentially what she did was take 56 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: advantage of people suffering from the Spanish flu epidemic by 57 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: posing as a flu nurse during this time where there 58 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: were a lot of folks that were in quarantine and 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: there was a real and like you said, Ben, this 60 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: need you know for these medical professionals, probably to such 61 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: an alarming degree that maybe there wasn't as much vetting 62 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: as maybe should have been going on, and folks who 63 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: were maybe volunteering say, oh, I have nursing experience, would 64 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: maybe just be all please help us. We will take 65 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: all the help we can get, and Lions absolutely capitalized 66 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: on that. Her crimes took place in Chicago around nineteen eighteen, 67 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: or at least that was when she was arrested kind 68 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: of again like at the at the peak of these scams, 69 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: and she'd you know, run various scams in the past, 70 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: but looked at this, you know, absolute nightmare scenario, not 71 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: as what it was or even like as something that 72 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: she herself should fear, weirdly enough, but as an opportunity 73 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: to rob people blind as they were maybe dying at 74 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: the very least suffering horribly. Evidently, Yeah, she had some 75 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: big chaos as a ladder little finger vibes, and she 76 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: also had a rap sheet before this. By the way, 77 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: she didn't just suddenly go from a jackal to a 78 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: hide in September of nineteen eighteen, as the Chicago Tribune 79 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: shows us, and as is later cited extensively in a 80 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: wonderful little article by Mental Flaws, lens is, as you said, 81 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: twenty three and she is the perfect miscreant for a 82 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: crime reporter, because crime reporting the newspapers of this day 83 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: were a little more the language was a little more stylized. 84 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune called her twenty three year old woman of 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: marvelous gowns and haughty men, and she she was accused 86 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: of performing various miracles at getting ready money. This this 87 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: was when she was arrested, is when Chicago Tribune was 88 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: publishing this article about her. And eventually she escaped from 89 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: the police station, so she never went to trial for 90 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: the first crimes she's on record as being arrested for. 91 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: And I can only imagine that it must have been 92 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: easier to escape the long arm of the law back then, 93 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: because this is also not gonna not gonna be her 94 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: first escape. Uh. And she that close call did not 95 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: put her on the straight and narrow. She had a 96 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: couple of other aliases that she would that she would 97 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: use depending on the situation. And after she escaped. She's 98 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: a petty criminal. She has decided that, like you said, 99 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: the flu epidemic is an excellent opportunity to make a 100 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: ton of money. And it really is a chaotic time 101 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: for the US and the world. I think at this point, uh, 102 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: we should acknowledge the flu was monstrous. It was a 103 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: disastrous event where how many people were How many people 104 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: died in the US alone? Yeah, it was around six 105 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand people in the United States alone, 106 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: And this number staggers me fifty million people worldwide, so 107 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: that quite a borderline dwarfs the Corona pandemic that we're 108 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: dealing with right now. Yeah. Yeah, this is insane because 109 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: the estimates of death for the flu pandemic of nineteen 110 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: eighteen are still they still vary widely, but we know 111 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: about two years into it, almost a third of the 112 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: population across the planet had been infected. So this was 113 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: this was dangerous. This was getting everywhere. And I love 114 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: the point you made earlier about desperation. This was a 115 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: crucial piece of the con because you may hear a 116 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: lot of reports in your neck of the global woods, 117 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: very true and tragic and frightening stories about hospitals being overcrowded, 118 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: medical professionals literally running out of supplies and beds. This 119 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: is happening in Chicago in night, and people are desperate 120 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: for in home care to have a nurse come visit you, 121 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: administer medicine, pick up your prescriptions for you. That's a 122 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: big thing, and help you avoid the crush of going 123 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: to a hospital, right which could be a dangerous place 124 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: infection wise. So she said, this is so simple, but 125 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 1: it works. She said, you know what, nobody's really gonna 126 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: have time to check whether I went to nursing school. 127 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: I'll just say I've got a different name. I'll call 128 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: myself something like Ruth Hicks or Mary Walker or Mrs 129 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: h J. Baron's or you know, whatever name feels good, 130 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: very wholesome sounding names, no doubt. But yeah, no, it's true. 131 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean they were just in such desperate need of 132 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: personality to like help out that they absolutely weren't going 133 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: to look much further than the registry that she signed 134 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: up for. This was like this nursing kind of volunteer registry. 135 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: So she gets placed in these various homes with with 136 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: individuals that are suffering from the pandemic, and she would 137 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: do some very interesting things. I mean, this is like 138 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: borderline like mafia kind of like construction grift kind of 139 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: stuff where it's like you you you charge like three 140 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: times the price for like a chair or like a 141 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: piece of building materials and you build it, you know, 142 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: in a way where you're you're kind of hiding the 143 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: money by like overcharging for like toilets and fixtures and 144 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: things that I came in with the exact name of 145 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: that con But she's doing something like that, but like more, 146 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: instead of builking insurance companies, she's builking individuals. It's it's 147 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: it's really just brazen. So she'll get the prescription filled, 148 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: she'll pay for it herself, and then shield charge the patient, 149 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: uh an exorbitant amount for whatever the you know, the 150 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: prescription might be. For example, she charged one patient sixty 151 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: three dollars for like a dose of oxygen that actually 152 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: costs five five dollars out um. Yeah, Mental Flaws has 153 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: a fantastic article about this whole situation, and they ran 154 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: the numbers on the inflation calculator so we won't have to. 155 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: But we can still say, boop, okay, man, Max, you 156 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: got a strong boop, my friend. It's such a goth boop. 157 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: But yes, the sixty three dollars to five dollars, you know, 158 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: which is what it actually costs today, would be the 159 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: equivalent of charging someone one thousand and seventy seven dollars 160 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: for an eight five dollar item. So I mean, I 161 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: gotta wonder if she's if she's being placed in these 162 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: homes through this registry, Like I don't know that she 163 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: would have the luxury of being able to pick her marks, 164 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like in terms of like 165 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: them being more wealthy, that that would be easier to 166 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: kind of builk in this way, because, as we'll get 167 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: into it, another part of this was just outright theft. 168 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: So she started to develop a few nicknames again after 169 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: she got caught. Chicago Tribune really kind of chronicled this 170 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: whole thing in this very absorbing and like you said, 171 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: then hyper stylized way of the time. The writing will 172 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: get into a few more quotes. Um as we go. 173 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: They're they're really great. But they dubbed her flu Julia 174 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: or I believe slick Julia was one of them. Um. 175 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: I think there might have been a few other nicknames. 176 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Those are the two that that stand out. Uh. And 177 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: apparently one of the grifts that she would do. Um. 178 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: She she had a lot of co conspirators, and one 179 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: of them was someone that police had identified after the 180 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: fact as a known narcotic supplier, uh and quote dope seller. Um. 181 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: But apparently one of the ways she would do this 182 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: whole prescription grift is she would actually have this person 183 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: forged prescriptions for her. Then she'd pick them up and 184 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: sell them back to the patients for like more money. 185 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: It's a little confusing because they also gotta wonder like, 186 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: was she just telling the patient that she had prescribing power? Ben, 187 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: do you think, yeah, yeah, it's a little unclear at 188 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: this point, but it does. It does seem that to 189 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: get the actual drugs, the actual medications, she was going 190 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: to a legitimate pharmacy, so she needed some kind of 191 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: prescription to actually pick something up. So she was definitely 192 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: lying to her marks and she was definitely lying to 193 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: the drug store. And I am really interested in this 194 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: part of the story stood out to me. It was 195 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: really interested to see how the dope boy on the corner, uh, like, 196 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: what does his doctor's impression look like? And we'll find out, 197 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: by the way, a little bit more about how why 198 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: it was so easy for these folks to impersonate medical 199 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: professionals at this time, Like if you went into a 200 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: hospital back then, even if you were hanging with legitimate 201 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: doctors and nurses. They might often be in playing clothes, 202 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, and they might not have sad a terry gear, 203 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: but at least not the kind you would expect today, 204 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: which we would call ppe personal protective equipment. So she 205 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: would forge these prescriptions, and when the grift was starting 206 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: to go a little south, she would ditch town or 207 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: she ditched the house, not Chicago, and on the way 208 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: she would commit straight up theft, like you said, she 209 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: would take cash and in clothing that caught her eye, 210 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: any jewelry. She was a bit of a magpie, anything 211 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't tied down and that she could carry. And 212 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: she was known for uh. She was known for especially 213 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: loving flashy clothes. And the Tribune writes about these specific 214 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: incidences because she does this more than once, and if 215 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: we want to peek into her mind, you might say, Okay, 216 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: she is. Maybe you may be tempted to say she's 217 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: not as bad as some of those folks who were 218 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: giving away fake vaccines in because she was actually giving 219 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: people medicine, even though she had no no qualifications upon 220 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: which to recommend treatment. The thing is, though she didn't 221 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: care about these people at all, no, in fact, I think, 222 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: I think I've cleared this up a little bit. Ben. 223 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: It looks like this dope dealer guy was actually coming 224 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: into the home dressed as like a fake m D. 225 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: And like writing the prescription, so you know, but then 226 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: she would I think she would like make sure that 227 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: it looked legit, but oftentimes she would be selling the 228 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: or charging the patient, uh for a placebo. They weren't 229 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: forging the prescription and then going and getting them the 230 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: actual drugs they need. She was like making me these 231 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: fake drugs out of something called cheriola, which is like 232 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: an early kind of form of lip tent, like almost 233 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: like a lip bomb, but like with you know, it's 234 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: meant to be like a lip color, but it doesn't 235 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: come into tube. It comes in a little like a 236 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: like a tint and you'd maybe like put your finger 237 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: on it or use a brush or something. But I 238 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: guess you would use that to die, you know, some 239 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: sort of liquid, because I would imagine that the the 240 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: medication of the time would have been some form of 241 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: like laudanum laced cough syrup or something like that, right 242 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: to help with the pain of the coughing and also, 243 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, help with the symptoms but you'd think it 244 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: would also that would just be treating the symptoms and 245 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: not actually, but they didn't have a cure. It was 246 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: just about treatment, kind of sweating it out right. Yes, 247 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: this is the thing. Let me let me correct this 248 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: because I misspoke here. I don't think they're going to 249 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: she nor her doctor friends are going to the pharmacy 250 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: and picking up heavy hitting drugs like morphine or something. 251 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: I think they're I think they're doing what you did, 252 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: what you're describing. Most of the time, they're getting placebos 253 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: and they're saying, hey, you know, like things that won't 254 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: hurt you, but aren't going to cure the flu, right, right, 255 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: Like oxygen is not going to hurt you in the 256 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: amounts that they're administering it, but it's not going to 257 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: magically cure the flu. And we see moments where she 258 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: seemed pretty cold. She actually spoke with a nine year old, 259 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: an unfortunate kid named Eddie Rogan, who said, hey, come 260 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: please help my older brother George. He's quote and this 261 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: is from the Washington Post, he's out of his head 262 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: with illness. And then Lyon says, oh, let him rave. 263 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: He's used to raving. And you know what, happened to George. 264 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: He died, Yeah, he sure did, out of his head 265 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: with um illness. Makes me think he was just like 266 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: deliriously feverish maybe, you know, I think I think that's 267 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: probably and that certainly would cause you to, you know, 268 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: rave or like to just not be have your wits 269 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: about you. So no, not only did she not even 270 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: care emotionally in any way, shape or form, and she 271 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: was actively you know, her part of her grift was 272 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: keeping these people sick and finding vulnerable people. Finding very 273 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: vulnerable people are probably made the easier to grift. And 274 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: she was really good at like building this fake narrative 275 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: that made her more appealing. Um, she was absolute master 276 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: con artist. I mean, that's essentially what what she was. 277 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: There's a story that The Tribune tells of The Chicago 278 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: Tribune tells of this elderly gentleman that she was helping 279 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: and when she came and saw for the first time, 280 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: she really wanted to get her hooks. Since she starts 281 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: with this story about like, oh my gosh, Mr So 282 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: and so, do you remember me, I'm I'm Julia or 283 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: whatever pseudonym she's using. I I knew you when I 284 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: was a little girl, I used to hitch on your wagons, 285 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: And I imagine this is just what like hopping on 286 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: the back and catching a ride, you know, for frenzies. 287 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: Like that's something a cute little kid would do that 288 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't be annoying if you were like an old grizzled farmer. Sure, 289 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: and so many decades have passed. This is such a 290 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: vague statement. It's based on the fact that this guy 291 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: had wagons in the past, and so he's literally thinking, well, 292 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: I must have had some some children. Indeed, I gotta 293 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: mean that did she know that? Was she just doing 294 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: a shot in the dark like she had researched this guy, 295 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean she must have. Um, really fascinating And yeah, 296 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: and he, uh, he began like you said. At first, 297 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: he was a little like what, I don't specifically remember you, 298 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: but sure, why not? Um, you're here to help me 299 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: after all, And now I feel closer to you and 300 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: less likely to be suspicious of any you know, stuff 301 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: that goes missing or weird unreasonable charges for things like 302 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: oxygen um and you know, cherry tinted liquid. But yeah, 303 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: it turns out that when the police came and interviewed 304 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: this man, uh, he actually defended her. You know, say no, no, 305 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: there's no way, there's no way I knew her. She 306 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: used to hitch on my wagons, you know when she 307 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: wishing little girls, she hitched on my wagons. I'm certain wagons, detective, now, 308 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: thank you to watch your tone. And then the next 309 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't know why I turned British at the end. 310 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: But the next the next night, or like within a 311 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: few hours actually that night flew Julia vanishes and on 312 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: the way she makes off with a wrist watch. She 313 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: takes some cash and some other household items. And so 314 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: come the next day, this victim tells the detectives by golly, 315 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: I guess I was wrong, and she's gone, she's grifted, 316 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: she's got a new name, she's burned that other identity. 317 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: So this was all coming to a head, and the 318 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: hunt for her is on. Law enforcement realizes there's one 319 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: person doing these crimes. So in November of the same year, 320 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighteen, the cops are able to get a 321 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: lead on Julia through a friend of hers named Eva Jacobs. 322 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: And Eva Jacobs this is where we get our like 323 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: crime board with the red stringing and the little photographs. Yeah, 324 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: Eva Jacobs lived in an apartment with another carn artist 325 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: named Suicide Best Davis. According to the Tribune. Again, the 326 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: writers the Tribune are having are making a meal of 327 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: this for sure. The Tribune says this house is a 328 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: known hangout for thieves, and police do a wire tap. 329 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: They tapped the phone, and from those conversations that are 330 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: listening into, they learned Julia lives pretty much in the neighborhood, 331 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: and so they start trailing her. And one day she 332 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: is setting off to marry a guy. This is so 333 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: of the time, to marry a guy called Charlie the Greek. 334 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: Charlie the Greek runs a restaurant on West Madison Avenue. 335 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: And before they can get married, before they can exchange 336 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: their I dues and their official kiss, the cops apprehender. 337 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: They arrest her. They handcuffed her, and then she says, 338 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: apparently she's shouting at the detectives. I don't you know, 339 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how much of this is pure style 340 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: and embellishment, and how much of this is a verbatim quote, 341 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: just to be clear, but she says, the weddings all 342 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: bust up. You got me, It's all bust up. Um. 343 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: She says, like a gun mall or something, you know 344 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, I guess that would have 345 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: been she She wasn't too far from that. I mean, 346 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: she didn't really use guns, and she didn't murder anybody directly, 347 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: but she essentially was a member of organized crime. I mean, 348 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: this was all these grifts were very methodically planned. She 349 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: had other confidence that she worked with. You know that 350 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: we'll we'll hear a little bit more about later. That 351 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: did didn't come out right away, um, but yeah, it's 352 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating the level of callousness this woman exhibited 353 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: towards these like super super vulnerable people. I just, you know, 354 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around it. But I guess that's 355 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: why you and I are not sociopathic grifters. Would you 356 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: consider this woman and we're not psychologists either, but she 357 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: seemed more of a sociopath to you or she inching 358 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: into psychopath territory? Yeah, it's an interesting question. Not a 359 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: psychologist or profiler by trade, but she's definitely not exhibiting 360 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: a ton of empathy for other people, including the guy 361 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: she was going to marry apparently with a couple got arrested, 362 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: both of them, not just Julia and Charlie the Greek 363 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: is in jail and one of the detectives says, so 364 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: how long have you how how long have you known her? Well, 365 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: according to the Washington Post, they said how long have 366 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: you known this dame? And then Charlie says ten days? 367 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: That is I thought I knew so yes, even though 368 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: this guy you know was a crook unto himself. Uh, 369 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: she even kind of put one over on him. Um. 370 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: And it turned out that she, you know, was in 371 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: league with uh, this woman Ava who she was found with. UM. 372 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: So when she was hauled into the police station, she 373 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: actually ran into physically the widow of one of the 374 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: patients that she had, you know, left for dead, essentially 375 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: because you know, again that the need is so great, 376 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: there's so much chaos going on that there's not necessarily 377 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: going to be a social worker or anybody else checking 378 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: in on you to make sure that this nurse was legitimate. 379 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: And she would essentially just you know, give these people 380 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: fake medicine, uh, take all their valuables, and then leave 381 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: them for dead. And that's exactly what she did to 382 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: her husband who died. Who died, and she screams at him, 383 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: you killed my husband, there's no punishment too terrible for you. 384 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: And Julia was brought up on charges of larceny, running 385 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: a confidence game, and obtaining money under false pretenses. And 386 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: this guy named John Hickey, who was a deputy sheriff. Um, 387 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: he volunteered to take her. On the ride to the 388 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: courthouse from the county jail, he was warned by the 389 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: chief bailiff of the court, John C. Ryan, telling her 390 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: to let her get away. Um, she is pretty slick, 391 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: which I imagine is where the name slick Julia came 392 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: from the paper gave to her. Uh. And he's like, whatever, 393 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: it's fine, I've got this. Um, she won't be able 394 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: to get away from me. Yeah. And the detectives who 395 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: had been running point on the case even said, look, 396 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: she'll go if she gets a chance. Better put the 397 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: irons on, meaning better put the handcuffs on. Don't justice 398 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: scort her. I'm sure there was some Oh she's just 399 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: a woman, you know. Yeah. And let's also keep in 400 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: mind Chicago at this time is kind of corrupt. We 401 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: can say that. So here's what happens. There's a patrol 402 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: wagon that would typically be used to transport someone like 403 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: Julia to the courthouse. Instead, this deputy sheriff takes her 404 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: in a street car, and he does, he does at 405 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: this point and get her to court, the street car 406 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: being like a trolley or like something of public transit, 407 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, And so in court there's a field day. 408 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: It's pandem amonium. There are somewhere around fifty victims who 409 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: testify about her dastardly deeds. She is slapped with a 410 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: thirteen thousand dollar bond. Thanks to Washington Post for the 411 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: inflation calculator here. But Max, if you still want to 412 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: do the honors poetry, Yes, So thirteen dollars back then 413 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: was more than a hundred and ninety grand today. So 414 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: this courthouse proceeding takes about an hour and a half. 415 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: In this Deputy Hickey takes Lions back and he's gonna 416 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: put her back in the clink, but the police get 417 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: a phone call from him while he's supposed to be 418 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: in route, and Noel First he says, O MG, you guys, Lions, 419 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: Julia Lions flew. Julia has leapt out of the vehicle 420 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: and she climbed into a getaway car and it's sped 421 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: away way too fast for me to chase it. Down 422 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: the his bosses are like, really, dude, Yeah, it's crazy 423 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: that she had this much foresight to have the getaway 424 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: car ready, Like she must have communicated their position and like, 425 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: you know when she was gonna bail out. And it's 426 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: also just a really bold move to jump out of 427 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: a moving street car. But it would have been easy 428 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: enough to do and certainly would have been harder to 429 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: do in the back of a proper police car with 430 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: handcuffs on. But instead, this guy is a real dope. Um, 431 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: let's you kind of had it coming here. But still, 432 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: the coordination is the thing that impresses me. Like she 433 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: would have had to dive out of the street car, 434 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: hit the ground rolling and then jump right into this 435 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: car and then it was able to speed away. And 436 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: the guy didn't even have his own wheels, right, he 437 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: was on a public transportation vehicles. He wouldn't have even 438 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: been able to Like, I guess it could have commandered, 439 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: but if it's a street car, I mean those are 440 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: on tracks, right. Yeah, well, if this story is true, 441 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: it's the thing because he has another version of this story. 442 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: When his bosses think this doesn't add up, he says, okay, okay, okay, sorry, hey, 443 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: let me, let me get my head straight. Julia said 444 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: she wanted to go to a bank to withdraw some 445 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: cash on the way back to jail. So I took 446 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: her there and then I turned around for just a second, 447 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: and then she was gone. That's what actually happened. Hand 448 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: to God, guys, and then his bosses. His bosses are 449 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: looking at Hickey. They're increasingly skeptical because his story has 450 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: kept changing, and they think, you know, we live in 451 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: early twentie century Chicago. It's not it's not an uncorrupt place. Hicky, 452 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: Did you accept a bribe from flu? Julia? Also? Why 453 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: are you so far away from the jail you're supposed 454 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: to be taking her to? And one guy, one of 455 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: the detectives, concludes, if they were all the way out 456 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: where they were found, then Hickey and flew Julia must 457 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: have been get this little cabaretting together? Was I mean 458 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: like gallivanting around town like Tom Caton around was cabaret 459 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: ng It's like going to a cabaret hall. I guess 460 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: it's like going clubbing, like going hitting the hitting the town, 461 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: painting the town red. I guess that's what that means. 462 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: And she resting, So they were so brazenly, like unconcerned 463 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: that they were just like out having a good old time. Yeah, 464 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: it must have, like you know, the way I picture 465 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: it is. We know that this person had a lot 466 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: of charm. It was tremendously manipulative. So it's quite possible that, 467 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, while they were en route from the courthouse 468 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: to the jail, she turned on the charm and said, Hey, 469 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, I might be going a while away for 470 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: a while. Um, can we just can I just have 471 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: one last hurrah? Can we just go somewhere and hang 472 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: out for a second, you know, let's dance. Nobody dances anymore, 473 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: officer or whatever. Uh, And maybe it must have worked, 474 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: or maybe she us paid him off. And then another 475 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: one of her friends shows up because she had a network, 476 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: someone named Pearl Aldridge, who says, actually, we arranged this 477 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: entire caper with Hickey in advance. She confesses that he 478 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: is an inside man for her escape. And when that 479 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: news hits, Hickey is suspended. And then he actually goes 480 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: to jail that night, or at least he spends the 481 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: night in jail. And this is exactly what you're talking about. 482 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: They resumed their search for and this is where she 483 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: gets that nickname slick Julia. Yes, it's a little more 484 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: universal than flew Julia. You know, she doesn't want to 485 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: be tied down to one period in her criminal career. Yeah, exactly. 486 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, like like we said, like when we at 487 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: the top of the show, I actually misspoke a little 488 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: bit too. I staid at the top of the show 489 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: and she was I think twenty three as when she 490 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: had the peak of her grifting career. That's not true. 491 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: That was just where she was at that time before 492 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: the Spanish flu griff really, you know, became her focus. 493 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: But just to reiterate, she had been like hiding checks 494 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: and um impersonating members of the Justice Department, if I'm 495 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: not mistaken. Uh And and then went again back to 496 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: some amazing Chicago Tribune quotes, they're performing various miracles at 497 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: getting ready money, which is very much what she continued 498 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: to do and perfect and also clearly something of a 499 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: master escape artist. But it's not like she was gonna 500 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: take any lessons learned from any of these brushes with 501 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: the law. She No, she just continued to double down 502 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: because that's what people like that do. And in March 503 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: of nineteen nineteen, after you know, examining all of those 504 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: nurses registries, okay, which would have been, you know, just 505 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: an insane amount of paperwork to go through. Detectives were 506 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: finally able to find her and she was operating under 507 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: the name Mrs James, running her con at a house 508 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: on Fullerton Boulevard where she was looking after a patient 509 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: name to Mrs White and again highly recommend reading all 510 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: of this mental fluss. Article about flu Julia by Ellen 511 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: Gutowski uh called slick Julia Lyons, the con artist who 512 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: posed as a nurse during the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic 513 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: then robbed her patients. Who that's a doozy of a headline. 514 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: And at this point when the detectives come to confront 515 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: her again, she's operating under the name just for the 516 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: full name M. S. James. Um, they were able to 517 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: find her. And then there's another amazing bit of reporting 518 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: from the Chicago Tribune. Mrs m S. James is kind 519 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: of funny because it's like, Mrs Ms James, I wonder 520 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: if that was a little wink wink not or something 521 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: like that, or just her you know, keeping it keeping 522 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: it fresh, keeping herself amused. Mrs m S. James Nay 523 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: flew Julia Nay Slicker Julia WHOA, She's now not just 524 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: slick Julia, She's slicker because she's final form. For she's 525 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: just a little greasier than she was the last time 526 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: she got in trouble. Slicker Julia who walked away from 527 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: former Deputy Sheriff John Hickey. By the way, let's just 528 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: really quickly remind all of ourselves that he was in 529 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: on it. She had paid him off when I was 530 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: like getting so weirded out earlier. But like, how did 531 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: she manage to pull this off? It was because she 532 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: had cooperation and he was so foolish with his handling 533 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: of her pretty much like on purpose. Can keep your 534 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: story straight and got keep stuff totally absolute, rookie, Like 535 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: pick one story you just stick to stick with no 536 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: matter how all the rails it goes. As soon as 537 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: you change stories, you're copped total. Yeah. Absolutely, you gotta 538 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: take it simple, keep it simple. Um so again, former 539 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff John Hickey walked back into Because it's Julia. 540 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: She walked back into custody involuntarily last night. Um yeah, yes, 541 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: she did. It's weird reporting. Uh, she got charged Max 542 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: we've been going on easy audeing with the sound cuse. 543 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: But can we get like a like a you know 544 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: on late night variety shows or talk shows where they 545 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: do the drum bits during like a joker top ten? 546 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: Can we get one or something like this? Okay? In 547 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: addition to her nineteen previous scounts of larceny, but um, 548 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: she also gets not She also gets charged with obtaining 549 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: money by false pretenses. But I'm thumb conducting a confidence game. 550 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: But I'm and then one other slightly unexpected charge bigamy. No, 551 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: we know what bigamy is? Yeah? Wait, bigamy is just 552 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: the active in beginning oneself. Bigamy is it's sort of 553 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: like cheating, or is having multiple partners, double marriage, getting 554 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: married while you're still married, even if that's polygamy, polygamy 555 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: is just a more like an escalation of bigamy, right, Yeah. 556 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: Polygamy is having more or the one wife or a 557 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: husband at the same time. Bigamy is when you are 558 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: marrying someone while you're already married. So in order to 559 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: experience polygamy, you have to commit bigamy. But bigamy has 560 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: the connotation of being a crime. Culturally, it's okay to 561 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: be polygamous in many parts of the world. So I 562 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: guess that just means that she had a previous marriage. Um, 563 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: they didn't actually dissolve it properly, and then, in order 564 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: likely to to keep up certain grifts, she married again, 565 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: probably under false pretenses. Now remember she married Charlie the 566 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: Greek after ten days, so they must have signed the 567 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: paperwork and she just got arrested at the ceremony. And 568 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: then she had taken she had taken on a new partner, 569 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: a soldier by the name of E. M. James, which 570 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: is probably where she got miss James from. She had 571 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: she had known this guy for four days. She has 572 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: one sweet talking Grifton lady right there. Um. She She 573 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: actually says in an interview on the record, uh that 574 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: she met him while working at a deli on the 575 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: South side of Chicago, and she described it as being 576 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: like love at first sight, said it was so romantic. 577 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: We only knew each other four days. When I became 578 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: his bride. We went to Papa's farm on our honeymoon. 579 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, wait, who's Papa. I don't I don't recall 580 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: hearing anything about Papa. It's probably the drug dealer from earlier, 581 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: Big Papa. I like it. I like the idea of 582 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: all the all the dude grifters or all the dude 583 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: she mentioned also be the same guy. So what if 584 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: this guy is like also Hickey. Yeah, so about Charlie 585 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: the Greek and and and the weird dope dealer doctor guy. Right, yeah, 586 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm saying, what if it's all him? No, I'd be great. 587 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: I love that idea. And it's interesting because we talked 588 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: about I think earlier, like there was this like club 589 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: that they would hang out at, like in Chicago or 590 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: like all of the con artists like kind of like 591 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, uh gathered I guess the apartment lock. Yeah, 592 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Yeah, it wasn't a club, but it 593 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: was like a you know, an area where it was 594 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: common for a lot of these folks in this game, 595 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, which is so specific, right, they're not selling drugs, 596 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: they're not doing hits for the mafia or anything, they're 597 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: not in organized crime at a high level. This would 598 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: have been I mean, this is in Chicago, so this 599 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: would have been before like right before prohibition, so this 600 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: actually would have been before the Coasta Nostra and like 601 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: organized crime really made it to the United States. So 602 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: this may have been the highest level of this kind 603 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: of larceny. It was much less organized and much more 604 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: like small groups doing it. But essentially, you know, not 605 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: that far off from the kind of cons that mobsters run. Yeah, 606 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: that's a very good point, because this is like everybody 607 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: knows prohibitions on the way, but it hasn't really come 608 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: into effect yet, I believe. So she's she hasn't been 609 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: able to escape forever. She is actually going to go 610 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: to court and she tries her best to get out 611 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: of it all through the trial. First, she alleges a 612 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: grand conspiracy. She throws herself at the mercy of the 613 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: court saying say something to the effect of like capitalizing 614 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: on charm and perceived innocence and saying, you know, I've 615 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: I've been forced to do these terrible things by a 616 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: band of thieves and ne'er do wells. And that doesn't work. 617 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: So then she pleads insanity and she's like, oh, psych 618 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: actually I'm crazy, and to prove it, I'm gonna faint 619 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: exactly so wound. Yes, it kind of goes back to 620 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: like one of our our previous podcast when we're talking 621 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: about the Crazy Crazy Dom, whereas like no one knew 622 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: what insanity like kind of was I guess, so she's like, 623 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm insane, look at me faintly seems like something completely different. 624 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: Bro is the for outside? Yeah? By the way, does 625 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: this make a crime quadrilogy? Mhmm, you know what, let's 626 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: make this part three of our two part series. I 627 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: think that's right. That's great, that's you know what. I 628 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: love that and old because that also, uh that that 629 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: means that we're not just covering stories about dudes. That's fair. Yeah, 630 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: I mean we saved the gaudy bros for another time. Yeah, yeah, 631 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: let's you know what, they may become our next rescipute 632 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: because we still have never done an episode on that guy. 633 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: And he is the protagonist of this show. If you 634 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: look at the logo, he is. He really is. He's 635 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: like our big bad. But if I'm not mistaken, Uh, 636 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: there is a project in the works by um I 637 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: think David Egger's the guy that did The Witch and uh, 638 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: you know the Lighthouse, and it's one of these amazing 639 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: probably one of the most amazing filmmakers working right now, 640 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: and he has had a longstanding interest in making a 641 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: resputant film which other than Anastasia I can't really think 642 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: of any really great personifications of rest Sputan and film, 643 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: can you. Uh, there's some great comic book uh depictions, 644 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: and there there are some novels he is going to be. 645 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: I think you're right. Uh, Eggers is gonna do Robert 646 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: Egger's right, is gonna do it? Got a mini series 647 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: I think about resputing and then I saw the trailer 648 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: for do you remember the Kingsman series, Yes, the one 649 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of like almost like uh oh Cloak and Dagger, 650 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of like like James Bondie spy stuff. Yea, yeah, 651 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: So there's another Uh, there's another iteration in that franchise 652 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: coming out, and Rasputin I believe is one of the villains. 653 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: But that is not I I assume it is not 654 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: to be mistaken for an historically accurate rescput And probably 655 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: sets the probably snippets of history is so interesting. I 656 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: we've talked about ridiculous historians. The one of the big 657 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: reasons speak behind the curtain that we go back and 658 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: forth on resciput And is because we honestly cannot figure 659 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: out if it is if he is a better subject 660 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: for ridiculous history or a better subject for stuff They 661 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. He's like right there in 662 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: the Venn diagram. You do a crossover? Oh yeah, I 663 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: do is get Madden pollen here and then we're good. 664 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: We can do a crossover with ourselves. Dug, that's fun, 665 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: all right? Are you think about the Venn diagram? Already 666 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: got two of the five? So well? I think we 667 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: should we should sleep on that, and I think we 668 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: should probably glad we didn't sleep on this story. But 669 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, Bet, is there anything to add for? Uh? 670 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: Did did what? What happened? Ultimately with our our anti 671 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: heroin lost track of her? It ends a little bit 672 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: mysteriously because she gets ultimately convicted. She is sentenced to 673 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: serve one to ten years, and after that she kind 674 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: of fades off the map, which means that, you know, 675 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: if she did get out of prison successfully, she may 676 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: have just take get up a new name and lit 677 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: off for a new town. But there ends the story 678 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: of flu Julia, who, as we said at the beginning, 679 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: was infamous in her time and infamous in Chicago. And 680 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: with this we again want to thank all of the 681 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: all of the nurses, all of the doctors, all of 682 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: the m T s. All the healthcare professionals that have 683 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: been working around the clock for more than almost two years. Now, 684 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: can we say that, yeah, even before the pandemic hits. 685 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: So thank you for for spending some time with us today. 686 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 1: Stay safe, and I don't think we need to say 687 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: it no, but just just just to cover ourselves. Don't 688 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: commit crimes, even if they seem like fun griffs. And 689 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: nothing seemed particularly fun about these I mean, these were 690 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: all that kind of you know, there's no robbing from 691 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: the rich and getting the pore scenario. And this is 692 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: literally I mean, you know, maybe some of these folks 693 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: were wealthy, but it is literally robbing from the vulnerable 694 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: and you know, keeping it um. So yeah, not not 695 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: a good person. It's like Julia, And again, a lot 696 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: easier to disappear back in these days. We hear about 697 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: this kind of thing happening, um, and it's just because 698 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: they just didn't have the level of like surveillance and 699 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: digital footprints and tracking bank records and stuff. Would have 700 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: been much more easy to disappear or to fake one's 701 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: own death back in these days. So if someone shows 702 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: up at your house, first off, it's people shouldn't be 703 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: showing up at your house unannounced. Right, So if someone 704 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: shows up at your house and they say, hey, I'm 705 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: a doctor and or a nurse. What can I help 706 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: you with? Just close the door, totally vampire rules. Phone, 707 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: envitamin there, it is there, it is. Thank you as 708 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: always to Max Williams. Thank you to Casey Pegram, thank 709 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: you too. Let's see who else do we have on 710 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: the docket today, Mr Brown? Oh, obviously Jonathan's trick on 711 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: the quiz through. We need to get him back or 712 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, just have him, uh come at us. It's 713 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 1: definitely something that we're do for um. Christopher hasciotes here 714 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: in spirit, Alex Williams, who composed our theme Maxim and 715 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: thank you again, Ben already dead you we we couldn't 716 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: do it with that, you buddy, well, thank you, thank you, 717 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: and with that joined us for our next episode, which 718 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 1: may also be a continuation of our two part Dumb 719 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: Criminals episode. But I don't you know what this. She's 720 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: not dumb though, Oh no, she's not dumb. She's definitely 721 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: not dumb, but quite a terrible, terrible person. And for 722 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: those of you who say we go to ham on 723 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: the thank you's, I I see you and I hear you, 724 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: but I couldn't disagree more. Thank you for the note. 725 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: We will not take it in our advisement because we 726 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: like to give thanks. That's just who we are. We'll 727 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from My 728 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 729 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.