WEBVTT - Netflix's Early Years

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works and I love all things tech. And

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing our four part series about Netflix and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. In the previous episode, I covered the founding

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<v Speaker 1>of the company and the challenges that they face just

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<v Speaker 1>getting it up and running, going from the ideation of

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<v Speaker 1>what Netflix would be to building an actual working business,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're going to continue that story. Less than

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<v Speaker 1>half a year after Netflix's website went live in the

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<v Speaker 1>spring of the company was making about a hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in revenue per month. Now that's not profit, that

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<v Speaker 1>was just revenue, but it did push Netflix into being,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in theory, a million dollar company. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they bring in a hundred thousand dollars per months,

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<v Speaker 1>you multiply that by twelve months, you realize, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one point two million dollars. That's pretty impressive. And the

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<v Speaker 1>company wasn't even six months old yet. The model Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>used meant customers would rent films for four or five

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<v Speaker 1>dollars per title, and then they would keep them for

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<v Speaker 1>a week. They could also opt to purchase a title

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<v Speaker 1>that they liked. They could end up buying it for

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty PC discount and just keep the DVD. The

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<v Speaker 1>company had rented out about twenty thousand DVDs in the

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<v Speaker 1>first four months alone, so things were going pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>The development team was hard at work building new features

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<v Speaker 1>for the company. The big one was what would become

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<v Speaker 1>called the Q as in the line, the que that

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<v Speaker 1>would order titles customers had expressed interest in but had

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<v Speaker 1>not yet rented, so they could create a list of

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<v Speaker 1>titles that they were interested in and even prioritize that list,

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<v Speaker 1>put a movies they more they wanted to see more

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<v Speaker 1>towards the front of the queue and the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to see, but there wasn't as big a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of urgency towards the back. That would be something

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<v Speaker 1>that the development team would work on for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years before it was really ready to roll out

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<v Speaker 1>in full form, but it became a foundational element of

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<v Speaker 1>what Netflix would be, and that The work on the

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<v Speaker 1>queue dates all the way back to the late nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after Netflix was founded. Programmer Eric Meyer built in

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<v Speaker 1>features in search that would lead users to movies that

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<v Speaker 1>were in stock, and it would exclude movies that were

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<v Speaker 1>either not yet in Netflix's library and that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a copy of that DVD yet, or they were

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<v Speaker 1>in Netflix's library, but we're currently rented out to all customers.

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<v Speaker 1>So that way, when you come to Netflix and you

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<v Speaker 1>start searching around for a movie, not a specific film maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe a movie featuring a specific actor or actress

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<v Speaker 1>or directed by a certain person, you would get results

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<v Speaker 1>back that only reflected available films. On the business side

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<v Speaker 1>of things, Netflix began to feature older films and uh

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<v Speaker 1>that was far more prevalent than new releases, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was largely because the company wasn't able to yet negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>with movie studios for DVD prices, and new releases tend

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<v Speaker 1>to cost the most money. So while the prices for

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<v Speaker 1>DVDs were significantly lower than what it would cost to

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<v Speaker 1>buy the same title on vhs. Remember DVDs when they

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<v Speaker 1>came out, they were priced typically between fifteen and twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>VHS tapes if you were buying a copy for a

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<v Speaker 1>rental place like like a Blockbuster or something, those tended

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<v Speaker 1>to be between sixty five and eighty dollars if you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the leverage to ask for a lower amount

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<v Speaker 1>and do sort of a royalties approach. So building out

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<v Speaker 1>an inventory at scale was prohibitively expensive if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go with all new releases, so Netflix opted to

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<v Speaker 1>go for deeper cut films that weren't typically listed at

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<v Speaker 1>full price. Then they would run promotions on the website

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<v Speaker 1>that would feature these deeper cuts and leverage those titles,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would tie it into things like holidays or

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<v Speaker 1>news events, or maybe it's an actor's birthday and they say,

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate so and so's birthday, why not rent this movie?

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<v Speaker 1>And that helped keep the business going even when they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't able to have all the latest new releases in stock.

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<v Speaker 1>The programmers built out a feature that would group similar

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<v Speaker 1>film buffs together in mentor groups through a process called

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<v Speaker 1>collaborative filtering, and the idea was that these users with

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<v Speaker 1>similar tastes might end up directing each other to new

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<v Speaker 1>films that fit those shared interests. So you might say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you really like, uh, you know, martial arts films, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen Fatal Flying Guillotine here? You should check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. Netflix has it that kind of thing. Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>also began building out a larger inventory of foreign cinema

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<v Speaker 1>titles speaking of Fatal Flying Guillotine, particularly Bollywood films, Chinese movies,

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese movies. It became a place where you could get

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<v Speaker 1>hold of this foreign cinema much more easily. And in California,

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<v Speaker 1>where you had a lot of immigrants from countries like China, Japan, India,

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<v Speaker 1>it was very popular, and of course that's where Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>was based, so it ended up being a very uh

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<v Speaker 1>lucrative or at least a very active part of Netflix's library.

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<v Speaker 1>The one genre Randolph decided not to carry was hardcore pornography,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was more out of a business concern than

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. It wasn't that he was necessarily morally opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to that content, but rather he was worried about it

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<v Speaker 1>from a political standpoint. The complicated nature of obscenity laws

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States meant that it would be very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to make sure that Netflix was complying with laws

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<v Speaker 1>on a state by state basis, because what is permitted

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<v Speaker 1>in one state might be against the law in another state.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you are a company that is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>have a uh, you know, a country wide presence, a

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<v Speaker 1>nationwide presence, it just didn't make any sense to carry

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of content. On the marketing side, Netflix reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to early Internet influencers like Harry Knowles, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the founder and still is the founder of Ain't Cool

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<v Speaker 1>dot com or Ain't It Cool News, And in those days,

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't It Cool was growing beyond being a niche film

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<v Speaker 1>fans site where you know, it kind of started out

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<v Speaker 1>as a bunch of a place where a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>film geeks would get together and argue about movies and

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<v Speaker 1>read various articles about upcoming films and rumors and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And at this point it was growing beyond that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was getting attention from directors and movie studios because

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<v Speaker 1>the industry, the film industry had seen that Knowles and

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<v Speaker 1>his staff that we're writing for and it Cool had

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<v Speaker 1>enormous reach, and so for a relatively modest investment on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the studio, those companies could get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of marketing benefits. It was like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>word of mouth marketing through this website. So just by

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<v Speaker 1>doing a little bit of investment in the website they

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<v Speaker 1>could get a big payoff. So Netflix followed suit and

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<v Speaker 1>invested money in and at cool dot com, and in return,

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<v Speaker 1>Noels and his crew would frequently mention the service. Another

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<v Speaker 1>clever move that Netflix made early on was they negotiated

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<v Speaker 1>with DVD manufacturers to include a coupon for a free

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix rental with new DVD players. So if you went

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<v Speaker 1>out you bought a DVD player back in those days,

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<v Speaker 1>inside the box would be a little coupon that would

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<v Speaker 1>allow you to get a free rental off Netflix. So

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<v Speaker 1>these promotions were drawing attention, but they were also costing

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix money. The company was losing cash on every transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, the labor costs were very high, and

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<v Speaker 1>the promotions were also cutting into revenue. They also had

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<v Speaker 1>made a pretty terrible rookie mistake, so they didn't spend

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<v Speaker 1>the money to build out a way to handle unique

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<v Speaker 1>coupon codes. They had no system in place to create

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<v Speaker 1>a sequential coupon code so that each code was unique

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<v Speaker 1>and could only be used once, so they shipped out

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<v Speaker 1>coupons that did not have unique identifiers on them. That

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<v Speaker 1>meant that if you were unscrupulous, you could duplicate those

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<v Speaker 1>coupons and use coupons multiple times, because you could just

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<v Speaker 1>keep making copies and said each coupon appeared to be legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix would ship out rentals each time they got a coupon,

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<v Speaker 1>so people were essentially scaming Netflix, and Netflix was losing

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<v Speaker 1>money in the process. In August, Randolph was able to

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<v Speaker 1>secure six million dollars in venture capital to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>company afloat, but that would only managed to save Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>until the end of ninety eight. Something else was going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to happen. The one part in Netflix's business

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<v Speaker 1>that was doing fairly well was in DVD sales, not rentals.

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<v Speaker 1>There weren't enough customers who would return to rent a

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<v Speaker 1>DVD after they had used up their free rentals they

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<v Speaker 1>go through, They'd rent a couple of top titles for free,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they wouldn't use the service anymore. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was not really a revenue starter, but the sales were

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<v Speaker 1>working better. However, that was a short term win, and

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<v Speaker 1>Randolph knew it. He knew that it was not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be long until you saw other big companies, established

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<v Speaker 1>companies things like Amazon dot Com get into that space

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<v Speaker 1>ace and start selling DVDs, and the retail business would

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<v Speaker 1>be very crowded and Netflix, being a small time player,

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<v Speaker 1>would be unable to uh to compete in that space,

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<v Speaker 1>so he knew that that was not a way to

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<v Speaker 1>build the future of a business. In early Read, Hastings

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<v Speaker 1>began to become more involved in Netflix. Remember, up to

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<v Speaker 1>that point, he had largely been hands off. He had

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<v Speaker 1>provided the initial seed money for the company, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had brainstormed with Mark Randolph when they were first talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what Netflix would be and how it would be

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon dot Com of video rental, but apart from that,

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<v Speaker 1>he really hadn't beencome very involved. Not long after Read,

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<v Speaker 1>Hastings decided he was going to get his hands dirty

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<v Speaker 1>and Netflix. He announced that he and Randolph would become

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<v Speaker 1>co chief executives of the company, a move that apparently

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<v Speaker 1>didn't please Mark Randolph very much. Hastings immediately set the

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<v Speaker 1>tone for his style at this meeting, as he then

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<v Speaker 1>fired the brand new HR manager, Lisa Battalia Rice. He

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<v Speaker 1>announced that he was going to bring in his own

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<v Speaker 1>HR manager, Patty McCord. And McCord had previously worked with

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<v Speaker 1>Hastings at Pure Atria to run the human resources department there,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the book Netflix, which was a great resource.

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<v Speaker 1>This may have been because McCord was seen as someone

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<v Speaker 1>who could act as kind of a liaison between Hastings

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<v Speaker 1>and staff, because Hastings took a very engineering approach to

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<v Speaker 1>problems and was very blunt and could be quite critical,

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<v Speaker 1>so she would sort of soften the edges a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>According to again people within the company, Randolph in Hastings

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<v Speaker 1>were very different kinds of leaders. Mark Randolph was more

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<v Speaker 1>empathetic and more outgoing. Read Hastings was more concerned with

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<v Speaker 1>efficiency and performance, and if you weren't performing to expectations,

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<v Speaker 1>you were alerted to that fact pretty quickly. Hastings was

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<v Speaker 1>more quantitative, Randolph more qualitative. Hastings was said to have

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<v Speaker 1>an engineering approach to pretty much any problem, including people problems,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Randolph was more about allowing people to explore creative

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<v Speaker 1>approaches to challenges. And Hastings was a big hit over

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<v Speaker 1>on the software engineering side of the business. Mark Randolf

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<v Speaker 1>was more of a hero on the marketing and public

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<v Speaker 1>relations and business plans side. By the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>Read Hastings would assume the position of Soul CEO and

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<v Speaker 1>bomp Mark Randolf down to president. Then a little later,

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<v Speaker 1>Read Hastings would also take on the role of president

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<v Speaker 1>and Mark Randolph became an executive producer. Hastings was also

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<v Speaker 1>the chairman of the board. Mark Randolph had a position

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<v Speaker 1>on the board that Read Hastings originally wanted to free

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<v Speaker 1>up to UH to grant to an investor. Mark Randolph refused,

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<v Speaker 1>said he absolutely insisted on maintaining his seat at the board,

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<v Speaker 1>and Read Hastings relented at that point. Now, in part,

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<v Speaker 1>Randolph kind of accepted this fate because he knew that

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<v Speaker 1>Read Hastings was important. He knew that he needed Hastings

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<v Speaker 1>in order to keep Netflix afloat. Because investors knew who

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<v Speaker 1>Hastings was. Hastings had founded Pure Software. Pure Software had

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<v Speaker 1>merged with a company called Atria, and the company Pure

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<v Speaker 1>Atria was a huge success for investors. It got acquired

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<v Speaker 1>for a massive deal that netted investors a huge amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money. So Hastings was really popular with these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, this guy has made me money before, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he says this company is worth investing in, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay attention. So I gave Netflix a better

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<v Speaker 1>chance at getting investment money if Hastings was the one

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<v Speaker 1>in the spotlight. Hastings made a couple of controversial decisions

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<v Speaker 1>in those early months, he declared that Netflix would stop

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<v Speaker 1>selling DVDs and would have to find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>make renting DVDs online profitable or the company would just

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<v Speaker 1>have to close up shop. Then he reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon dot Com and he suggested that Netflix direct customers

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<v Speaker 1>to Amazon if they were interested in buying a film,

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<v Speaker 1>and in return, Amazon dot Com would display ads for Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a deal that was struck up, and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the folks over at Netflix, over in marketing,

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<v Speaker 1>thought this was a colossal mistake because they thought that

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix was effectively handing customers over to a competitor. Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>also had early meetings with Hollywood Video and Blockbuster, the

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<v Speaker 1>two big names in video rental VHS rental, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of feeling things out to see if either

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<v Speaker 1>company might be interested in purchasing Netflix. Because again, one

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<v Speaker 1>way that startups make a lot of money is not

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<v Speaker 1>through creating a sound business plan, but by getting acquired

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<v Speaker 1>by a larger company. Uh. Now, if those companies were

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<v Speaker 1>at all interested in acquiring Netflix, it certainly wasn't at

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<v Speaker 1>the price that Hastings and Randolph were willing to entertain. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They were asking for a price much higher than what

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<v Speaker 1>either company would be willing to to meet, and neither

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<v Speaker 1>companies seemed particularly interested in any sort of collaborative efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>Both companies turned down Netflix's offer. At the end of

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix posted a loss of eleven million dollars and there

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<v Speaker 1>were tons of free redual coupons still out there to

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<v Speaker 1>do more damage to the company. So something was going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to change. What was it? I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute, but first let's take a quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor Read Hastings was able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix going largely by getting investments from venture capitalists. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the year and a half period, he would raise more

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<v Speaker 1>than one hundred million dollars in investments. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>he was changing the corporate culture. They company had started

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<v Speaker 1>as sort of this chaotic creative environment with all these

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<v Speaker 1>different people trying to figure out, how can we make

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<v Speaker 1>a business plan that makes sense, how can we market it,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we attract customers, how can we actually create

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<v Speaker 1>the infrastructure that will allow it to happen. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was uh sort of a crazy but really energetic place

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<v Speaker 1>to work, and Hastings was changing things and buttoning things

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<v Speaker 1>down and making it more hierarchical. Many of the founding

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<v Speaker 1>team members for Netflix left the company in including Jim Cook,

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<v Speaker 1>the the finance and operations director, Christina Kish left, Terse

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<v Speaker 1>Smith left, and more. Joining the company was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Tom Dylan, who took over operations from the outgoing

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Cook. Dylan had actually worked at a company called

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<v Speaker 1>c Gate, and he headed up an international operations division

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<v Speaker 1>magnitudes larger than Netflix, huge h division compared to what

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix was doing. Uh. Netflix presented a new challenge at

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny scale in comparison, but Dylan needed to do

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<v Speaker 1>some dramatic changes to really turn things around for the company.

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<v Speaker 1>When he came on board, it cost Netflix six dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to as symbol and ship and order. Now, most orders

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<v Speaker 1>would actually include three discs at a time, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just six dollars per disc. It was six dollars

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<v Speaker 1>per order, but still was not an efficient system if

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<v Speaker 1>you think like four dollars per disk, and so that's

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve dollars per order and it costs you six

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to send the order out. That's not great. So

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan wanted to get the order cost down to a

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<v Speaker 1>third of what it was. One thing he did was

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<v Speaker 1>to change the shipping process so that each envelope would

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<v Speaker 1>hold only one disc at a time. And that seems

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<v Speaker 1>counterintuitive if you think, wait, if it costs six dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to fill an envelope, but this actually cut down on costs.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, it would let Netflix send out disks when

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<v Speaker 1>they were available, instead of holding an order for all

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<v Speaker 1>three discs to be ready at the same time. So

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<v Speaker 1>if a customer is waiting on three different titles, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can at least send one title out ahead while

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<v Speaker 1>the other two are either coming back to Netflix or

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<v Speaker 1>haven't yet been processed, and you can get orders in

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<v Speaker 1>people's hands faster. Secondly, it brought the cost down on

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<v Speaker 1>individual shipping. The individual envelopes were cheaper to send than

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<v Speaker 1>the larger ones that would hold three disks, and he

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<v Speaker 1>included a barcode system to help sort orders in the

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<v Speaker 1>warehouse and increase efficiency. The next bit is particularly interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Dylan and his team discovered that people living

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<v Speaker 1>within a one day delivery zone were far more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to recommend the serve as to friends. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>live someplace where you would get your order a day

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<v Speaker 1>after you ordered it, you were more likely to be

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<v Speaker 1>a loyal customer and to bring other people into the fold.

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<v Speaker 1>So this helped with customer attraction and retention. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan got hold of a c D that held information

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<v Speaker 1>about US Post Office delivery data for ZIP codes across

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, and he headed up the creation of

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<v Speaker 1>software that could identify the ideal locations to establish a

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<v Speaker 1>distribution center in various regions across the US. And that way,

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<v Speaker 1>he would say, all right, well, we see that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a very dense population in let's say New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can we put a distribution center where we can

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee one day delivery to as many people in that

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<v Speaker 1>region as possible. And so they started taking all these

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<v Speaker 1>data points and they started to look at maps, and

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<v Speaker 1>they started to actually plan out the physical locations where

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<v Speaker 1>distribution centers should be to be able to get one

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<v Speaker 1>day delivery to the largest number of potential customers for

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<v Speaker 1>any given region. Dylan also figured out that in order

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<v Speaker 1>to support a distribution center, each center would need about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand customers two to justify the existence of that center.

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<v Speaker 1>So using these different points of data and this data

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<v Speaker 1>analysis approach, they were able to point out a map

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<v Speaker 1>and say here's where we need to build our next

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<v Speaker 1>distribution center, and then they could guarantee one day delivery

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<v Speaker 1>to customers in that region and build up the base

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<v Speaker 1>of users they would need to generate regular revenue. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's that kind of data analysis that I find really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very innovative approach to figuring out where to

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<v Speaker 1>put your operations as a company. In the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix began to experiment with a couple of different business

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<v Speaker 1>models to get away from the per title rental approach

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<v Speaker 1>the company had been using up to that point. So remember,

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<v Speaker 1>up to this point, if you wanted to run a

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<v Speaker 1>moview in Netflix, you're paying on a per title basis.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be four dollars per title. It might be

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<v Speaker 1>five dollars per title if you're running three movies, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's twelve bucks or fifteen bucks, depending on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how how expensive each title was, and they were looking

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<v Speaker 1>at alternatives to this approach. One of these was called

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<v Speaker 1>the home Rental Library, So for twenty dollars per month,

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<v Speaker 1>customers would be able to rent up to six movies

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<v Speaker 1>at a time and keep them for as long as

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted. There'd be no late fees, so if you

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<v Speaker 1>kept them for three months, that's fine, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>return them, and if you're paying the membership fee month

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<v Speaker 1>to months, then you could get six more movies. The

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<v Speaker 1>other approach was called serialized delivery. Now, in that version,

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<v Speaker 1>a customer would first receive whatever the next available film

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<v Speaker 1>is in his or her Q. I talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>queue in the previous episode. That's the list of movies

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<v Speaker 1>you've expressed interest in. And the more interested you are

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<v Speaker 1>in a movie, the higher up you should put it

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<v Speaker 1>in your queue. And so what would happen is you

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<v Speaker 1>get a film, you'd watch your movie, you return it

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<v Speaker 1>to Netflix. Netflix would scan the returning disk, they would

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<v Speaker 1>register that you had returned your movie. They would look

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<v Speaker 1>at your queue, and whatever the next available title in

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<v Speaker 1>theory was that was on your queue, they would send

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<v Speaker 1>that one to you next and uh. Then these both

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<v Speaker 1>were really popular. Hastings ordered actually, that both serialized delivery

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<v Speaker 1>and the home rental library and the new queue feature

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<v Speaker 1>should all be tested at the same time, which drove

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<v Speaker 1>marketing nuts because they wanted to be able to isolate

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<v Speaker 1>these different approaches and to measure them against each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out the customers loved all three features, so

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<v Speaker 1>Randolph decided that they should combine them into a single offering.

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<v Speaker 1>Customers would pay a monthly subscription fee. This was an

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<v Speaker 1>alter her native to the per title rental fee. It

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<v Speaker 1>was not mandated originally, it was an alternative. These subscriptions

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<v Speaker 1>would be in tears different levels that would allow customers

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<v Speaker 1>to choose how many DVDs they could rent at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and each tier would cost a different amount. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the more movies you wanted to be able to check

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<v Speaker 1>out at once, the higher you would pay per month.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there would be no late fees, and upon returning titles,

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<v Speaker 1>you would get the next available DVD from your queue

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the next one to be sent along again.

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<v Speaker 1>In theory, it's probably from this point that Hastings decided

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<v Speaker 1>to go with the version of Netflix's history that was

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<v Speaker 1>passed around as gospel for several years, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the version that I talked about in the last episode

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<v Speaker 1>where he had said he got the idea for Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>after he got a late fee for keeping Apollo thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>from a blockbuster for too long. In reality, Netflix didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go with this no late fee approach until it was

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<v Speaker 1>about a year and a half old, so that was

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<v Speaker 1>not a a key part of Netflix from day one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was well after they had begun to do business

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<v Speaker 1>that they adopted that philosophy. The new model that they

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<v Speaker 1>used would debut on September. The plan would allow a

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<v Speaker 1>customer to receive up to four titles simultaneously for the

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<v Speaker 1>monthly subscription rate of fifteen dollars and nine cents, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is too low to qualify as a princely sum,

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<v Speaker 1>but the rollout was targeted. Most visitors would not see

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<v Speaker 1>this offer at all. They would just see the normal

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<v Speaker 1>per title rental structure. But a few people did see

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<v Speaker 1>the offer, and the people who saw it tended to

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<v Speaker 1>sign up, so it's proven to be a hit. It

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<v Speaker 1>was if a customer were presented the opportunity to use

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<v Speaker 1>that particular model, they were more likely to do so,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it became pretty clear that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>solid business plan. In late September and Netflix rolled out

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<v Speaker 1>this new plan at large, so everyone had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to see it and enroll in it. But they still

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<v Speaker 1>also offered up the a la carte approach as an alternative,

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<v Speaker 1>so they didn't get rid of that yet. But the

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<v Speaker 1>new subscription model was much more popular, pushing the number

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<v Speaker 1>of weekly shipments up to one hundred thousand discs per week.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that didn't mean the company was magically profitable. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it would close out nine with a twenty nine point

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<v Speaker 1>eight million dollar loss. Good thing Hastings had gotten all

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<v Speaker 1>that venture capital earlier in the year, they were running

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<v Speaker 1>into new challenges, and one of those was that the

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<v Speaker 1>subscription models were making it difficult to keep titles in stock.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, Netflix was getting a lot more customers,

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<v Speaker 1>and for another, those customers could keep movies for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they liked. Not everyone was watching a movie

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<v Speaker 1>and then immediately returning it, some of them were holding

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<v Speaker 1>onto the movies for a long time. If you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone who was a Netflix customer who rented DVDs back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know there's still people who do, but back when

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<v Speaker 1>that was more common, you could ask them what's the

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<v Speaker 1>most expensive DVD you ever rented? Because if you rented

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<v Speaker 1>a DVD and it arrives and it just sits on

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<v Speaker 1>your table and you never watch it, you're still paying

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<v Speaker 1>the monthly subscription fee month to month to month. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no late fee. But if you think part of this

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<v Speaker 1>monthly subscription is just going to the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>have this DVD in my possession even though I've never

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<v Speaker 1>watched it, then those prices would rack up pretty high. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say that Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was

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<v Speaker 1>a really expensive one for me for a while. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that that was an issue, And because that was an issue,

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<v Speaker 1>it meant that no one else could rent that particular

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<v Speaker 1>copy of the movie because it was not in Netflix's hands.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in some Yahoo's hands like myself, so that

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<v Speaker 1>complicated matters. Meanwhile, Hollywood Video was taking an even bigger

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<v Speaker 1>loss after supporting a competing format. There was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>format that Netflix had entertained carrying for a short while.

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<v Speaker 1>That format was out of circuit city. It was called

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<v Speaker 1>Divis d I v X. The Divis format was super

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<v Speaker 1>heavy on the d r M front, So the concept

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<v Speaker 1>was that you could rent a movie on the Divis format.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's essentially an optical disc, very similar to a DVD.

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<v Speaker 1>But these discs had heavy encryption on them, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you put them in your Davis player and you did

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<v Speaker 1>not have authorization to watch the content, you couldn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>see anything. So the reason the way this works is

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<v Speaker 1>that your player would actually have to have a modem connection.

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<v Speaker 1>It would connect back to a home computer home base

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<v Speaker 1>computer like a server essentially, and it would check to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that you had that authorization, that you had

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<v Speaker 1>paid a rental fee to watch that particular content, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you had, it would decrypt the signal and you

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<v Speaker 1>would actually be able to watch whatever it was you

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>had rented. And then once your rental agreement expired, maybe

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like for three days, then you would no longer

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>be able to decrypt that information on your player and

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.719
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't be able to see it anymore. Randolph had

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>actually decided not to support that particular format, mostly because

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't logistically feasible for Netflix to stuck every title

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>in both the DVD and the DVICS format, and they

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>had already committed to the DVD format, so they were

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of they had pushed their chips into the DVD

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>hot but since dvis as a format essentially died, in

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>turned out that Netflix had backed the right horse, that

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>it was a good thing they didn't do this. Hollywood Video, however,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>had really gone in on DVICS and they took a

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>huge bath when that format lost support. In January two thousand,

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Netflix rolled out a new feature called cent a match,

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>and the idea was to find films that would please

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>couples who were trying to figure out what films they

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>should rent based on their own individual likes and dislikes.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So the company had found it challenging to build out

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>algorithms that could suggest movies to users that people actually

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to see. They thought at first that this was

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>going to be easy, right that you just look at

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody and you say, oh, well, they really like movies

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that feature horror and they like slashers, so we're going

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>to send them, uh, the you know, Friday the Thirteenth series,

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and it turns out that the person doesn't like that

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>at all. That was that was that seemed to fly

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:55.239
<v Speaker 1>in the face of the cold logic approach. Right, you

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like X, so you must like why because Why has

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff in it that X also has. That turned out

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:05.959
<v Speaker 1>to not be as reliable. So Cinematch was more about

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<v Speaker 1>sorting people into like minded groups, groups of users who

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>had rated movies in a similar way, and then looking

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>at their various histories behind the scenes, not sharing that

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>out in the open, but making recommendations based on that,

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and those seemed to be much more um successful than

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the algorithm based approach that had previously been in place.

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Cinematch also took into account the films and Netflix's inventory

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>before making any recommendations, so it wasn't about to recommend

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a movie that was not in stock, because that would

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>just become a frustrating experience. The board of directors was

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>starting to get itchy. They wanted to move toward an

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>initial public offering to take the company public, but at

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that point the company was still losing money. So read

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Hastings had a big decision to make. I'll explain more

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>in a second, but first let's take another quick break

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<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. On Valentine's Day two thousand, Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>officially ditched the alakrt rental model and went to subscription only.

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Hastings had argued it was the only way toward profitability.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>In addition, the cost of a subscription increased to nineteen

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>dollars cents per month, so it went up by four

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>bucks per month, with the first month of rentals being free,

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>but customers would have to submit their credit card numbers

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to get that free month. That was a strategy that

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>would help protect Netflix in the case of DVDs never

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>getting returned, but it also made it easier to convert

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>people into full members from trial to full members because

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>they had already inserted their credit card information, you weren't

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>asking them to do that after the month was over.

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>That would have acted as another barrier to entry. So

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>by ripping off the band aid right at the very beginning,

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you were more likely to keep people on as a

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>as a subscribed member. In the spring of two thousand,

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Hastings hired on Leslie Kilgore to become part of the

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>marketing department, and Mark Randolph, the co founder of Netflix,

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>saw his role decrease yet again. Kilgore tackled redesigning the

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>company logo and colors. She also campaigned successfully to have

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the marketing and public relations departments consolidated into a single entity,

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and Hastings would say in an executive meeting that he

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 1>considered kill Gore a potential successor to the position of

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>CEO in the future, which more than ruffled a few

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 1>feathers among executives at Netflix who had hopes of one

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>day maybe getting that position. She's the one who kind

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>of led the way to redeveloping Netflix's logo so that

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 1>it would have that red and black and white appearance,

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>so the color read the theatrical color. That's largely due

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>to her her leadership. Something else was going on that

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>created an existential threat to Netflix, and that was the

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>infamous dot com crash, when the speculative bubble that formed

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>around the dot com industry imploded. Startups that had tons

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of investment money but not much to show for it

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>apart from some flashy offices and ridiculous recruitment strategies began

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>to fold as investor confidence would collapse around them. The

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 1>stock market took a huge bump, and employees who on

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>paper were millionaires before the dot com crash because they

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>had received ginormous numbers of stock options, suddenly had to

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>deal with a reality where those same stock options weren't

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>worth the paper they were printed on. It became a

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>point where everything when you're when you're awarded a hundred

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand stock options, but then every stock option is worth

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>less than a penny, it suddenly is not that big

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 1>of a reward. Netflix had luckily secured additional investments just

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>before this dot com collapse, and they were doing so

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>in anticipation of holding their own initial public offering, but

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>they held off on that obviously because the dot com

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 1>had so destabilized the market that it was not the

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>right time to try and to clear going from a

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>private company to a public company, but it did have

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>enough money to get through this initial slump. It was

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 1>around this time that Hastings and a couple of executives,

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>including Mark Randolph, met with Blockbuster executives, and this was

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the infamous meeting during which Blockbuster had the opportunity to

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>acquire Netflix. Netflix's asking price was somewhere in the fifty

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>million dollar range, and that was considered way too high

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>by the executives over a Blockbuster. They said, there's no

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>way you haven't demonstrated that you have this value, especially

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 1>in today's market where we're seeing internet companies go belly

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>up left right. So John Antiocho, the CEO of Blockbuster

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>at the time, said, no, Dice, you don't have the

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>staying power. You probably won't even be in business in

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a year, and so Blockbuster walked away from that deal. Now,

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>while that was a setback for Netflix, the team decided

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to push even harder to get to profitability. The customer

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>retention numbers were looking promising, and Hastings said in interviews

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that he expected by the end of two thousand one,

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>that Netflix would have five hundred thousand paying subscribers and

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that they would become cash flow positive as a result,

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>they ended up being a little ambitious. The executive team

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>also made some other big predictions, some of which have

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of proven to be true, but in a different

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>way than what they had necessarily intended back in two

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand one. One of those predictions was that Netflix will

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>become such a popular platform that independent filmmakers would use

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Netflix as their production studio. Essentially, they would create films

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:03.239
<v Speaker 1>meant to go straight to Netflix's service and bypass studios

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and movie theaters entirely, to go a different direction than

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>what typically you would see in the industry. And you

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>could argue that we're seeing a lot of that today,

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>only now we're looking at it from digital delivery, you know,

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>broadband delivery as opposed to DVDs, but the same principle

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>seems to apply. So it was a very forward thinking prediction.

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>The web designers. Meanwhile, we're working to identify ways to

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 1>make the online experience more intuitive for new web users,

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>because up to this point, Netflix's customer base consisted primarily

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>of technologically savvy young men, it was not a diverse group,

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>but more and more Americans were getting online, more people

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>were getting computers, more people were getting Internet service providers

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>or online service providers like a O L Online, and

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>so the potential to reach a broader audience was there.

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 1>So research was looking into ways to make the process

0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>easier for newbies to navigate the website. Meanwhile, Hastings and

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the executive team decided one way to make Netflix look

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like a legit player in the space would be to

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 1>pick a fight, and so they began to compare Netflix

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>favorably against Blockbuster, which was the big dog and home

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>video rentals. Hastings would say that Netflix's inventory was many

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>times larger than even the biggest Blockbuster store, saying, we

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>have more titles in our inventory then you'll find in

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>any Blockbuster location. Now, granted, you're looking at two different things, right,

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.439
<v Speaker 1>because Blockbuster as a whole, if you looked at all

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.879
<v Speaker 1>the different stores, had way more copies of way more

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>titles than what Netflix had. But on an individual shop basis,

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>if you lived in a community that had one and

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>only one Blockbuster, you would have greater variety if you

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 1>went to Netflix. That was hastings argument and the team

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>really hammered home the idea that there were no late fees,

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:59.319
<v Speaker 1>something that was one of the chief revenue generators for Blockbuster.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 1>But it was clear that Netflix wasn't going to make

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the goals Hastings had originally said he wanted to hit

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand one. There was little chance for an

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I p O in that time, and to look viable

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 1>in investors eyes, the company was going to need to

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>cut costs and prove that the subscription based model was

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>a viable one. So to do this, Hastings would cut

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>about forty percent of the workforce at Netflix. In September

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, the remaining members of the original founding

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>team of Netflix were either laid off or they chose

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to quit. With the exception of Mark Randolph, the co

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>founder of Netflix, he was the only one of that

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>initial team who would put Netflix together to remain at

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the company after September two thousand one. Profitability would have

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to wait, because at this point Hastings was focused on

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>getting the company lean and nimble enough to gain the

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 1>confidence of investors and finally have that initial public offering.

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>He and his executives spent late two thousand one and

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:04.799
<v Speaker 1>early two thousand two, laying the groundwork for this I

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>p O, and they were able to hold it on

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>May twenty three, two thousand two. Mark Randolph had resigned

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>from the board of directors before that point, but he

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>did remain with the company, and the fact that Netflix

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.879
<v Speaker 1>had survived the dot com crash when so many other

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>companies had folded helped Netflix quite a bit. There was

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>a message saying, we don't have the same problems as

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 1>those other companies had. We are going to stick around.

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>So the idea was a success. It raised more than

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>eighty million dollars and shares were trading at around fifteen

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 1>dollars apiece. Mitch Lowe started testing out an idea in

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>two thousand two called Netflix Express. He and Mark Randolph

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>landed a pilot program. They talked to a chain of

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>grocery stores called Smith's and they got the agreement to

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>put in a video rental kiosk in a Las Vegas

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 1>grocery store. Now, unlike the vending machine style kiosks low

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>had wanted to create, this one actually had an employee

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>who would fill customer rental orders manually. And the test

0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>went very well. But Hastings wouldn't get on board with it.

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>He didn't see this as being a viable business, and

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 1>he had his sights set on the future of digital

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>distribution and anticipated that such a move was going to

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 1>require a substantial investment on the part of Netflix to

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>make it possible, and that creating a new means of

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>renting out DVDs would require an investment on the company

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.359
<v Speaker 1>that would take away from the money he saw as

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:41.240
<v Speaker 1>being necessary to pursue this digital download or digital rental

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>experience in the future. So he said, that's going to

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>be a distraction. We're not going to do it. So

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Mitch Lowe wouldn't end up leaving Netflix. In January two

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.879
<v Speaker 1>thousand three, he met with an executive from McDonald's who

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>had previously expressed interest in a partnership with Netflix, but

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Hastings had nixed that idea, so this negative. A guy

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 1>named Greg Kaplan had a similar vision too, low and

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>together they ended up heading a new venture that would

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>be called red Box. As for Mark Randolph, when that

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Kiosk experiment was deemed unworkable by Hastings, he bowed out

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>he left Netflix. In fact, he and Hastings had already

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>discussed severance conditions before the Kiosk experiment began, the message

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>being if this doesn't work out, you should probably just

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>pack up and leave. So in two thousand three, Mark

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Randolph would leave the company he had co founded. He

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>had been the original CEO of Netflix. It was his

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>ambition to become the Amazon dot Com of something, and

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>while Netflix's biggest days were ahead of the company, he

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.279
<v Speaker 1>would no longer be a part of them. So what

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>is Randolph up to these days? While he sits on

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the boards of numerous companies, he's also a frequent speaker

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 1>at technology, business and leadership conferences. He acts as a

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>mentor to entrepreneurs, so he's still doing pretty well for himself.

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