1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: with I our Radio. Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Homous podcast. Today. It is me and it is not 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Ben Higgins. He's on some crazy governmental experiment, not experiment. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: He's doing something really good in South I think in 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: South or Central America. The man is always doing something interesting. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: But I have somebody else, very interesting, very wonderful, and 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: honestly quite magical. Her name is Serene Russell joining me today. 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Hey Serene, Hey, how are you good? How are you? 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: I say you're magical because the presence of you and 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: Brandon together in Paradise was something, it was a special thing. 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: I felt so good about you guys, just making it 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: all the way because there is just some effortless beauty 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: of your love. How is it going going good? It's 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: been good finally getting used to San Diego and just 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: trying to settle in together. Okay, gotcha. It's a weird time, 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like coming together in a new 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: place or both of you right right right, and then 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: we you know, moved in, but like I had to 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: be hidden for a bit and so just with like 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: everything after the show and like both of us traveling 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: a lot, it's been like running around with our heads 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: cut off. I got I understand, I understand. So we 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: do want to go and get to know what's going 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 1: on with you guys, a little bit more in depth 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: than our in depth series. But today in this episode, 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: we have to focus on the finale. This finale I 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: was truly truly excited for. I think sometimes I don't know, 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: I guess that finales are kind of always exciting. I 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: don't know why I was particularly excited about this one. 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: I really didn't know where it was gonna go after 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: last week, because we left off with Gabby pretty upset, 33 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: and then I think, like you would think that Katie 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: would have a bit of hesitation even after that fantasy's 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: waiting talking through it and all that. So I was like, something, 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: some twisty thing is going to happen. I was actually 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: shocked that there wasn't really a twisty thing. I thought 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: that maybe Katie and him wouldn't be together, but it 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: was relatively predictable. Yeah, let's start the top with Ariel. 40 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: What was your take on the sit down with Ariel? 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: What did we learn we learned? I mean, I think 42 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: we already knew a woman has a beautiful vocabulary, so 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: jealousken like, oh, I mean she I expected her to 44 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: be great, but she's She literally is just so eloquent 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: everything she does, like the way she speaks, like her 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: brain Like I know, I'm just watching her in awe 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: and truthfully envy. I'm like, why can't I carry myself 48 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: with that? Why can't I articulate myself like that? She 49 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: is amazing? And I have to say, I think there 50 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of people out there, including myself, that 51 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: was really missing her being the choice of bachelorette. What 52 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: do you think about that? Honestly, Like I am a 53 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: little surprised, just because I feel like so much happened 54 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: after you know, the Fantasy Suite, but like with Ariel especially, 55 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like you never know, like you 56 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: know why anything happens the way it does. We got 57 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: to know her. I feel like a lot better than Charity. 58 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah up, like getting it to be just feeling more 59 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 1: attached to her, rooting for her a little bit more, 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot because of the way she carried 61 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: herself daring Fantasy Sweet Week. Yeah, yeah that too, And 62 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean I was surprised too about Gabby, Like just 63 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: watching well, there's just a lot and I feel like 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: I feel like recently and maybe it's just because something 65 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: crazy has happened, like every season, but usually it's you 66 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: know someone that something really awful has happened to or 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: you know their experience, and I feel like after a 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: certain point that's more common. And so I was, I 69 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: was a little shocked. Yeah, right, like all three of 70 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: them would be great. But I know, I know this 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: isn't not to put down Charity as choice at all. 72 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: I just feel like the audience really got bonded to 73 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Ariel and especially Gabby after last night, and we are 74 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: very invested in their personal journey now where Charity like 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: we know that she's a sweet girl, but we didn't 76 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: really feel like a lot of heartbreak from her. Yeah, 77 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: like with Gabby and now I know how they usually 78 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: think of the runner up becoming bachelorette, and that is like, well, 79 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of a spoiler if the runner up because 80 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: it becomes because like we saw, they've already filmed Night one. 81 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: I bet you through a couple of weeks right now, 82 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: so we'd be like, can we know if Gabby were 83 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: the bachelorette, so be a huge spoiler to everyone, and 84 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: they also used to say that like they couldn't have 85 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: the runner uppy Bachelorette because the feelings were too exactly, 86 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: the feelings were too fresh, and Gabby did truly seem 87 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: currently still very affected and not over it. That was 88 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: exactly what I thought. Yeah, she's just a little too 89 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: like her still, like I think for that, but still 90 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: wanted to see it, you know, crazy. But I was 91 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: watching my sister and she was like, I just think 92 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: that they want her to be Queen in Paradise, so 93 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: we'll see it. Do you have inside scoop? No, No, 94 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: I know nothing. I was okay, all right, well let's 95 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: go back to Ariel for a second. The big thing 96 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: that had to be a dressed between Ariel and Zach 97 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: was the fact that she was never told that he 98 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: slept with Gabby. Like he goes and he tells Katie 99 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: right away and makes a big stink out of it, 100 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: and we're all like, dude, what are you doing. You're 101 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: telling Gabby that you're gonna go and tell people. But 102 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: then he really just went and told Katie, which makes 103 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: us all wonder or like, oh, okay, that's because you 104 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: gotta pick. You're gonna pick Katie right, and you want 105 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: to be like open and honest and you don't want 106 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: to get any skeletons out once the diamond rang is 107 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: already on her finger. And it's pretty evident that's what 108 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: he did, because if you just wanted to be open 109 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: and honest in what she said was basically like three 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: open relationships, he would have come to her and told 111 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: her as well. No, I absolutely agree, And that was 112 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: part of what I thought was so interesting is I 113 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: believe when he sat down with Gabby to let her know, Hey, 114 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: I think I should tell the other girls. He didn't say, oh, 115 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, you know, tell one other person or 116 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: something like. It sounded like he was going to tell Ariel. 117 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: And at first I was like, did we just not 118 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: see it? Like yeah, right, because I would think it's 119 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: definitely a scene that they could have done without and 120 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: then they aired it online or something like that. Just 121 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: be like, guys O bachelination, just letting you know he 122 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: did go do it. Here it is we just didn't 123 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: fit it in because she was got eliminated. But he 124 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: didn't do it, and it's not a great look. Yeah, 125 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I gets, Yeah, it's not I remember as soon as 126 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: I saw that, I was like, this can't be like 127 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: this simple because it feels very obvious at that point. Yeah, 128 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, yes, And then Ariel posted an Instagram 129 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: reel or a TikTok this week saying that the first 130 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: time she heard of any of this, yes, the whole 131 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: this is she said, the first time I heard that 132 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: he slept with anyone else was on TV, and she's 133 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: just like walking, Yep, yeah, I would have been I 134 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: don't know, I would have been pretty upset. And she's right, 135 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: I mean to go home at that point they I 136 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: feel like there was a lot of confusion, and then 137 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: to see that after the fact, like I feel like 138 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: that's the sucky part is like you go home and 139 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you take the time to yell, and then you watch 140 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: it and you see things that you didn't see the 141 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: first time. I know. One of the biggest moments for 142 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: her that was like a yes girl, was when she said, 143 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: you took away Zach my choice in the conversation, Like 144 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: you just said, off the table, we're not having sex. 145 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: You took away my choice in that whole issue, not 146 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: even knowing that. I would have told you I didn't 147 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: want to do that either, So of course she's bringing 148 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: up two things. Well, she's bringing up one big thing, 149 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: and that is like, you just think that you're like 150 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: the master decision maker in our relationship. Yeah, and that 151 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: was I think that that was kind of like the 152 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: gross element of last week with Zach, where it was like, oh, 153 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: he's he just think that he's because he's the bachelor, 154 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: he's now like decision maker of each relationship. Do you 155 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: remember I think it was Gabby. Do you remember what 156 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: Gabby said in that moment? What did she say? I 157 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: think whenever he sat her down for her date, like 158 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: it skipped to an interview clip of her being like, 159 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would want to get engaged 160 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: to someone having not like at that moment, and so 161 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: it was just interesting because they do it is like 162 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm the bachelor, like this is you know, my decision, 163 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: and then you realize there's so many people like I 164 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: don't know. It's so messy. It is so messy. Anyway, 165 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: I think it was interesting to hear that Ariel was like, well, 166 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: if you don't want to just talk to me about it, 167 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: like it had a conversation about it. He would have 168 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: realized that I was on the same page as him 169 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: and then maybe like we could have like bonded over that, right, Yeah, 170 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: but she also didn't give him that satisfaction by telling him, 171 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, in the fantasy suite, Oh guess what, me too? No, 172 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: And then I thought it was I thought it was 173 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: really cool too. How she at the end of it 174 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, like we did have good 175 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: memories too, you know, I don't want to reduce it 176 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: all to this moment. But she also like she held 177 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: her own but then was still so kind at the 178 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: same time. She was she was like, I don't want 179 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: to be railed on. Yeah, She's like, I don't need 180 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to make this worst for you. Yeah. Yeah, it was nice. 181 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: She said what she needed to say, satisfied herself and 182 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: the audience, and then she was just like yeah, She's like, 183 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: all right, poor you probably have bigger issues to deal 184 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: with later in this episode. Okay, so let's move on 185 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: to like the in Thailand part. We have the girls 186 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: meeting Zach's family. I love Zach's family. They're wonderful. They 187 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: made him more attractive as a package to me. Yeah, 188 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 1: you know, his relationship with his mom and then his 189 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: sister's like they have they all have the same face like, yeah, 190 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: it is so funny. Yeah, but his family did seem 191 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: really cool, Like they just seemed really sweet but really warm, funny, 192 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: very down to earth, like I just liked their vibes. Yeah. 193 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: So both girls end up telling him afterward it was like, 194 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: after meeting your family, I could confidently say I'm in 195 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: love with you, which is really sweet. And both of 196 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: them felt very much a kinship to his sisters, and 197 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: it was about what the sisters felt toward him that 198 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: really got their heart strings. Yeah, no, it was it 199 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: was such a like I remember watching Gabby meet the 200 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: family and how she was talking with the sisters and 201 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: then Katie, and it was like, usually there's like I 202 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: feel like there's more of an outlier with the family too. 203 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Well with both you know, that made 204 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: me even more torn. So I went into this episode 205 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: thinking he was going to be Katie, and throughout this 206 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: episode they kept giving me little inkluings that it could 207 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: be Gabby. So that's why I really loved this episode 208 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: and kept me interested throughout the entire time. With Gabby, 209 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: his dad talked about how he basically like barely made 210 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: it out of the hospital as a baby, it's so sad. 211 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know, it's just do you think that 212 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of something he would talk to her about? 213 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, you know it's it's when he was 214 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: zero years old. Yeah, and with Katie, is there like 215 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: a moment that you were like, oh my, oh yeah, 216 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I know he in the moment that Katie that Katie had, 217 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: she was just kind of crying with him, That's what 218 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: I was about to say. And the dad and she 219 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: just couldn't stop crying. And it was very sweet, I know, 220 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: emotional because of like the relationship that she never had, 221 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: like a dad figure, and she could see his dad 222 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: being part of, you know, the circle of men in 223 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: her life. She's really nice. And then her mom, his mom. 224 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: I felt like, really there was something so comforting about 225 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: his mom that she was able to just kind of 226 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: be emotional and just be very comfortable with both of them. No, 227 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: they both seemed like really good fits. And that's I 228 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: remember seeing his family in that date super early on 229 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: in the season and thinking like I would be so 230 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: intimidated like going on a date with the family that 231 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: really but they were just so nice. But I don't know, 232 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: I think when Gabby was talking to his sisters, and 233 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: it was like the way that I love your brother. Like. 234 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: She wasn't saying like how she's like falling in love 235 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: like she was like, oh the things I love about 236 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: him And you could just tell like in those moments. 237 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: And that was crazy too, because right before that date, 238 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, is she even gonna go? Is 239 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: she even gonna go on the date? Oh? Right, yeah 240 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: yeah with Gabby. Um yeah, I mean I figured she would. Yeah, 241 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: but thank you for bringing up that conversation because she 242 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: had to address that be like just letting you know, 243 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: at the end of a last row ceremony, you basically 244 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: weren't looking at me. That was crazy. Yeah, And we 245 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: know that when Zack's not looking at somebody that he's 246 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: like pretty much over it. Yeah. So it was actually, Um, 247 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: I was actually surprised to see him make a turn 248 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: where it seemed like he was uncomfortable with somebody, but 249 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: he kept pushing through, and especially in that conversation, she 250 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: says to him, I want you to like I felt 251 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: like I was wearing a scarlet letter, but I don't 252 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: want you. I don't want to be like the object 253 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: that makes you like what was It just makes me 254 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: she said something about she didn't want to be the 255 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: reason for his pain. His pain, Yeah, like I don't 256 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: want to be like standing in the way, Like I 257 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: don't want you to feel Oh here she said an 258 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: accessory in the crime, Yes, which is such good. That's 259 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: just such a good way of putting it. Yeah. Yeah, 260 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: her in her saying that she felt like she was 261 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: in the scarlet letter like I can't I can't imagine that. Yeah, 262 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: she definitely handled herself very well there, and I was 263 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: so pleasantly surprised that he took it so well. That 264 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: was a moment to me where I was like, oh, 265 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: he really does love her, because it was the first 266 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: time that there was and I'm sure it happened and 267 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: we didn't maybe see it, but it was the first 268 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: time that there was a serious conversation with the girl 269 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: is addressing an issue that she had in his actions, 270 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, like what's let's find um, 271 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk this out. So that was another 272 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: sign where I was like, ah, Gabby, I think he 273 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: loves Gabby, but I really do think he loved both. 274 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: I do think that he was one of the situations 275 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: where it's like the bachelor loved both of them, and 276 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: he had to pick just one of the ones that 277 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: he loved the most. Absolutely right. He didn't make this 278 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: say did He said what he said the one that 279 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: he loved the most. And it just made me laugh 280 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: a little bit because because of Kelly Clayton season Yeah yeah, yeah. 281 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: So now it's time for Zach and Katie to go 282 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: on their last date. My sister and I were wondering 283 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: watching it, why we went from Katie's meeting the family 284 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: to Katie's first date, and why Katie's date was so short, 285 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: so short. They walked to a waterfall and that was it, 286 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: and then it was the nighttime and they sat on 287 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: a couch together and it was like three minutes and 288 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: that was it. I was thinking that perhaps they were 289 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: trying to get us to think that Gabby. Well, okay, 290 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: there's two things. One they could have wanted us to 291 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: get more attached to Gabby so we felt the heartbreak 292 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: more at the end, or they wanted us to believe 293 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: that Gabby could have been the choice more. What do 294 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: you think did you notice the shortness of the date 295 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that we didn't really I didn't feel 296 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: anything there. I'm not saying that there wasn't like love 297 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: there AND's like we didn't There was no like grandios 298 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: moment where I was like, ah, magic, No, I did notice, 299 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: but I was more caught up on the fact that 300 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: Gabby want the family first and then her date was 301 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: after Katie Yeah, and I was like, wait, are they 302 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: not doing it the same day? Well, do you think 303 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: that possibly it was just edited differently so that yeah. 304 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we don't know what the order was. 305 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, it seemed like Katie was second to meet 306 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: the family, right, so it was like, yeah, Kaby Gabby, Yeah, 307 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: but we don't know the order of the actual date elements. Yeah, 308 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: for sure. And it was definitely and they're definitely not 309 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: on the same day. All though I knew was leaving 310 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: those solo dates. I was like, please lock this man 311 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: in a room for twenty four hours just by himself 312 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: and let him figure this out, because he needed to 313 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: figure out who he was thinking of the most, who 314 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: he was missing the most. Yeah. I really don't know 315 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: that he knew, but I don't know. I think I 316 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: was in Gabby's shoes. I think Gabby was like, there's 317 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: so many signs that say it could be being like, 318 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: but my gut keeps telling me it's not me. It's 319 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: not me, it's not me. And that's what I was feeling. 320 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: I was like, there are so many signs saying that 321 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: it could be her, but something is telling me that 322 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: he's going to pick Katie. Yeah. And then there was 323 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: that whole block of time which you're watching on the 324 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: West Coast. Did you have sound? Yes? During the date? Okay, yeah, 325 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: we missed ten minutes. I don't know what happened during 326 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: Gabby's date. During Gabby's date, so I feel like, I 327 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: mean kind of the same thing that happened on Katie's date, 328 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: because Katie got a little freaked out too, didn't she 329 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: just a little yeah on her date. Yeah, so Gabby 330 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: got really like freaked out because well, I got the 331 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: beach part. I got that beach part, I sit down 332 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: beach part. It was them like actually riding the horses 333 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: and stuff, which seemed kind of like filler content. Yeah, 334 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't remember exactly. Okay, it was totally 335 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: inconsequential and good thing that that was the part that 336 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: didn't have sound. Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, Well, so yeah, 337 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: not to skip over Katie's date. I just don't think 338 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: there was much to talk about. She was worried, she said, like, 339 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: it's just awkward there. They can't exactly have the most 340 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: fun when you're so worried about what's to come, right, No, 341 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: I know, And I felt like both of the dates 342 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: were that way. And I remember sitting there like, okay, 343 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: both of them are freaked out now, like both of 344 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: them have no idea, And he was even more confused. 345 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: I do believe he was confused because with the whole 346 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: thing that happened last week, why would he like risk 347 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: hurting Katie for someone if it wasn't like almost that's 348 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: kept going back to, you know, So maybe he really 349 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: didn't know. I don't know. We we definitely in our heads, 350 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: just like Gabby. We're like, well, why would he tell 351 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Katie if he knew he was gonna pick Gabby? So 352 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: that is having us one be like all right, Katie's 353 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: to the front runner, or two he's truly torn. But 354 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: in no situation are we thinking that Gabby is number one? Right? 355 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: And Gabby herself is definitely not thinking she's number one. 356 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: She keeps talking about the gut feeling, the feeling of 357 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: second place, and then while sitting on the beach, he goes, 358 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to hear this, but I really 359 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: don't know who I'm gonna pick, and that whacks her out, 360 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: and it would, of course it would. Yeah, he's kind 361 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: of like just chilling. He's like just letting you know, 362 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: I have two great living to choose from. I don't 363 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: know who I'm gonna pick. They've had some rough conversations 364 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: looking out at the water on the beach. She's probably 365 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: got like PTSD from that. No, you know, did you 366 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: have like what was your initial reaction while hearing him 367 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: say that. I mean my mouth was just open because 368 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not doing anything but scaring her. But 369 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: is it better for her to be scared than to 370 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: be totally shocked when it happened, he doesn't pick her. 371 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's but honestly, like, 372 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would want in that situation. 373 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: Probably did not know. I don't know, I don't know. 374 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: It definitely ruins the moment. Yeah, I know, if you 375 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: want to rest the day to go, well, you don't 376 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: say that. And if you want to be I guess 377 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: ridiculously honest and prepare her for I want to string 378 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: anyone along. And so he said, hey, no promises, you're 379 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: the top two, but I don't know. Oh so crazy, 380 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: And then she rebound This girl goods. Dude does a 381 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: great job at rebounding because then at the end of 382 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: the night she's fine, and she's sort of fine. It's 383 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of like a reiteration of it though. It's kind 384 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: of a reiteration of their conversation where she's like, I 385 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: know that you need to make the decision. He's like, 386 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: I wish I knew what the decision was going to be. 387 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: It's so hard to figure this out. Um. He says 388 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: he's so torn. The first time in his life he 389 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have a decisive feeling and we know that he 390 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: is a decisive man. Um, And he just says it, like, 391 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: you know, I'm taking this very seriously. Yes, yes, but 392 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, we know, we know. It's just so 393 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: it's he said I can't make He's like, he said 394 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: something about like I can't make that decision until I've 395 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: like felt every moment or something like that, which is 396 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: why I was like clock this then in a room. 397 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: But then he's like, not having any moments. In my 398 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: opinion was it he's not having any moments because he 399 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: keeps talking about like because he out, yeah, yeah, there's 400 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: your last date. I mean Katie, Katie's fantasy sweet date 401 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: was all about what he wanted to tell her and 402 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: not like a normal date moment until maybe later like 403 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: what we saw. So it's like, gosh, well, you know, 404 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: we have to admit that there's plenty of other conversations 405 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: going on, and these are the conversations that they're choosing 406 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: to show us. So these dates were hours and hours long, 407 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: and these are like the fifteen twenty minutes that we're getting, 408 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: and this is all about the decision, and it's a 409 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: great TV. Gotta say, it's a great TV, all right. 410 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: Then they bring Sean and Katherine out, and I've got 411 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: to say I am not a fan of their new 412 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: school way of doing this, where like a finale will 413 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: be three hours long and it's like partially live and 414 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: then partially you know, throwing it back to wherever they were. 415 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: Next up, we see Sean and Catherine's basically just filler content. 416 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Sean is like giving shade about all of Sach's decisions, 417 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: or like you gave a lot of advice. How do 418 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: you feel about the way that Zach implemented this advice 419 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: and like Sean keeps saying, well, he sucked taking advice 420 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: the way I was intending for him to take it. 421 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: And then you know, Katherine is sweet Katherine, and and 422 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: then you know, and Sean is snark snarky Sean. They 423 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: don't really there's not much. There's not much here and yeah, 424 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: definitely just like filler because they've wanted Zach season to 425 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: be modeled after a Sean season. This is just like 426 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: the full circle moment. Yeah, it's like all the facetimes 427 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: led to this and hopefully this I know, hopefully like this, 428 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: this bachelor couple will be the only bachelor couple since 429 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: Sean that will stay together, like the final pick will 430 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: stay together, and like that's that's their hope and intention. Yeah, 431 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: I know because Ari, although he's with Lauren, it was 432 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: not his final pick on the TV show. No, that's 433 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: actually crazy to think about. It is crazy, especially since 434 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: we have lenty of bachelorettes who are married to their 435 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: just hasn't even been a proposal in so long, I know, 436 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: And that was exciting too to see it in Um 437 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: so we haven't had a proposal. But what was so 438 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: exciting was at an expense for Gabby's heart, seeing both 439 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: girls come out of a car and walk down the 440 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: little aisle up to the podium and see it's horrible 441 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: to say, one person to get rejected in one person 442 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: to win in the traditional sense of the show, just 443 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: because it hasn't happened like that in a long time. 444 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: And I do think it builds your emotion as a viewer. 445 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: You feel worse for loses and you feel better for 446 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: the person who gets who wins. It's just good for 447 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: the viewers, but awful for the people involved. No, absolutely, 448 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: it broke my heart when she was like stop, please stop. 449 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: I know, I like saying everything I was thinking. It 450 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: would just like stop talking, see me like a warning. 451 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: What you're going to see is very sad. You see 452 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: when she got out of the car, what she said, 453 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, let's talk about this. Are we 454 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: are we here yet? Yeah? I guess we're here yet, 455 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: We're here? Yes? She was like, all right, what is 456 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: the car gets out of the car and she gets 457 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: muddy it. Don't let Katie when it actually matters when 458 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: Katie gets here, Don't do that to her, it was 459 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: so sad. It was so sad. We thought that it 460 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: was Frank and Bitten for a second. You know what 461 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: Frank and Bitton means when they put the voice of 462 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: her saying that, like later, when she actually is like 463 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: gone and putting it over because you can't exactly see 464 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: her mouth in that situation because it's a far away shot, 465 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, maybe they just put it in there 466 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: to show that she was so convinced in her gut 467 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: that it wasn't her. But after you see what actually unfolds, 468 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, no, she definitely said that. When she's 469 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: walking it to Jesse and says it too, and he's yeah, 470 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: He's like, what are you expecting it? And she was like, 471 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: I already know what's going to happen. I just don't 472 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: want to admit it. Didn't it make you feel a 473 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: little bit better that she was prepared for it? Yeah? 474 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah I did. And I think she's just being honest 475 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: to how she felt. And I feel like sometimes we 476 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: see people in that position and they just like, don't 477 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: say it, you know. But I think just having a 478 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: peek into her mind made her a lot more relatable 479 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: because I feel like so much people would be thinking that, 480 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, her doubt her insecurity made her really relatable. Yeah, 481 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that makes you want her 482 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: to be bachelorette. So she walks down the aisle, walks 483 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: up to the podium for a second. As he's like 484 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: smiling and saying really nice things, I say to my sister, 485 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if they're faking us out? What 486 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: if like the first time in a long time, they're 487 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: going to put the proposal first and then they'll the 488 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: dumping second. And then I'm thinking that we're all gonna 489 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: be so surprised, and I had this glimmer of hope 490 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm really rooting for it 491 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: to be Gabby as the pick. And that is not 492 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: how it went. And then when the conversation turned yes, 493 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking when she was just like, no, don't 494 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: want to hear it. Don't want to hear it because like, 495 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: and he was like, you deserve love, but you deserve 496 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: love from somebody that really like that'll pick you first 497 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: all and then he had to say pick you first, 498 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: like her whole thing is about being picked second. Uh, 499 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: And then you know he's thinking in his head. The 500 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: producers are gonna kill me if I don't go through 501 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: this entire speel. I gotta say my stuff. And she's like, no, no, no, no, 502 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: And I think we are all like, I think we 503 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: can all relate in that moment. We're like, yeah, we 504 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: don't need to hear your pleasantries. Okay, no, absolutely yeah, 505 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: and then you now she's like, you don't have to 506 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: walk me to the car. She gets in the car, 507 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: and she definitely ends up having one of those moments 508 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: where you know you're upset about one thing and then 509 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: you start thinking about like your entire past, and then 510 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: you're like sobbing and being like I am unlovable and 511 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: nobody will ever like me and nobody will ever pick me. 512 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: And she's just obviously you know, it's not just Zach 513 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: in that moment, and I'm like, oh, Gabby, come on, 514 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: come on, no, no no, no, this is She's like, I 515 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: want to know, like how I could have been better, 516 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: how it could have been me? What can I do? 517 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, no, no, no no, no, no, it's just 518 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: that there's somebody else that's a better fit for him. 519 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: You are perfect as you are. It's just a matter 520 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: of finding the perfect fit for you. I was like, 521 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: don't make this now, you not being enough? You are enough, 522 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: You are such a prize. No, and it sucks too because, 523 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: like in that moment, Zach was the last person she 524 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: wanted to hear that stuff from. Like She's like, I 525 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: don't want to know that you think I'm great? Like 526 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, like you know, because it's easier to 527 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: believe that, Like these things you believe about yourself are 528 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: the reasons. But No, that was just it was so 529 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: sad to watch my hands are like on my face. 530 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: Can you remember the last time that you felt something 531 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: like that watching this show? Probably with Brandon's Honestly, sorry, 532 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I was literally in a 533 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: hair salon getting my hair done and I was watching it, 534 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, could you ever 535 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: imagine that would be your fiance? No, it would have 536 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: been weird to think, like sitting right there like seeing 537 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: into the future. Strange. I'm thinking years back right now, 538 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: and Brandon is the only other name in my head 539 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: that like that. Oh my gosh, poor guy. But look 540 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: what happened magic all right. So what I don't like 541 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: now is this this back and forth between the live 542 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: moments and the taped moments, because I really think that 543 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: what happens between Zach and Gabby on stage, just like 544 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: the fact that Gabby has, you know, twenty minutes on stage, 545 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: it takes away from the proposal to come because then 546 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it becomes a big Gabby show 547 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: and you're feeling really bad for her. You're very focused 548 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: on her pain and not focused on like the love 549 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: and the love right, so even when they flash to 550 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: the proposal moment, you're like, I'm not ready for this now, 551 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: like we're exactly which is why I need them to 552 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: go back to the regular format where we saw the 553 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: whole two hours of the tape show and then we 554 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: went to the finale. When was the last time it 555 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: was the live finale? A long time ago? Because I 556 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: think the first time that they did this format, I 557 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: want to say, was Colton season. Okay, I'm not one. 558 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: It's a bit about five years. Yeah, yeah, you probably 559 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: always did it this way and that just made you 560 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: be like, it made you, i don't know a little 561 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: bit more on pins and needles, and it just made 562 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: you feel it, feel it pure. It made it feel 563 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: it pure. Well because you're like seeing it all and 564 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: then like waiting to see like what happens. I always 565 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: think it's kind of like thinking of like if the 566 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: proposal did go first, it would like ruin the rest 567 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: of the day for the bachelor, I know, which is 568 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: obviously your happy moment, and then you have this like 569 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: awful moment having to break up with someone, and so 570 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: it's like, I wonder if it's kind of like the 571 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: same of course, yes, um, yeah, I guess, but like 572 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: you're able to feel like all the like sequential feelings, 573 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: and I guess you're able to feel like anyway with 574 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: this manner, maybe they's more sequential. It's actually more sequential 575 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,479 Speaker 1: doing it like this. They don't want us to feel 576 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: like it's resolved, so we'll like want more from like 577 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: whatever pain we see. But we're like, oh, I want 578 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: to see this person like live out like their happiness, 579 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: like the person that gets really hurt. Maybe it's so 580 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: that you're like ready to see them like in another season. Somehow, 581 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. No, you're right, I think I'm not 582 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: making sense now because I think the way that they 583 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: do it makes the most sense actually, but somehow also 584 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: bonds you more to the runner up which is why 585 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: it would be great. You're like setting up whoever's ups 586 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: next exactly if the runner up was the bachelorette, this 587 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: would be amazing. Then like you do this sad thing. 588 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: Why'd you make us sad for no reason? Yeah, they 589 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: make you really sad. And then they're like, Okay, now 590 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: you're the bachelorette. Then you're you're you're stepping into the 591 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: happy territory, and then we go on to the proposal 592 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: and it's all great, Yeah, maybe it's just a parad 593 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: We'll have like a paradise hope for Yeah, gotta have 594 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: a paradise helpe for Gabby. She will be princess first sand, 595 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: first foot on the sand in paradise. So before we 596 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: get into the proposal, Serene, we have to talk about 597 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: the actual conversation that happens between Zach and Gabby on 598 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: the stage. We knew it was going to be emotional. Um, 599 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Gabby basically is the big there's called big drama lines, 600 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: one of which she said that it wasn't until watching 601 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: on live TV that she found out that he told 602 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: people other than I didn't know what that meant. Well, okay, 603 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: my sister and I rewa we couldn't figure it out. 604 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: He goes. She goes, I didn't know until last week 605 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: that you told everybody. And I was like, wait, what 606 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: do I have to go back and watch last week 607 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: scene where he came in and said, Hey, just letting 608 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell the girls, 609 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: because in that scene, I believe he said I'm gonna 610 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: tell the girls, right Yeau. She said that she was 611 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: very hurt that he that the whole nation knew, because 612 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: she was led to believe that maybe they wouldn't. Maybe 613 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: maybe she thought he meant he was gonna tell I 614 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe privately, like in the fantasy suite or something, 615 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: because she yeah, she did say she felt like her 616 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: choice was taken away and like violated that like all 617 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: of America knew her business. Yeah, and it was like 618 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: I would be embarrassed as well, Like I know my 619 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: sister was like I wouldn't be embarrassed. You know, they 620 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: went to the fantasy sweets. It's assumed. Now, I go, 621 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a total difference between it being 622 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: assumed and like everybody like just hearing hearing it that 623 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: had happened. Yeah, and she I think in that moment, 624 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: I was watching it with Brandon and we both looked 625 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: at each other like, oh my gosh. She was like, 626 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: I was brushing my teeth. You came up behind me. 627 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: That's my head. Yeah, and then you said this is 628 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: between us. This stays between us. And so it's like 629 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: she felt like blindsided, but because he went out of 630 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: his way to be like, hey, like, don't worry about this, 631 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: which that like made it so much worse. Right, So 632 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: that was Mike drop one and then Mike Drop two. 633 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: We didn't really I didn't really understand. So one was 634 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: that that night she was they were like, okay, between us, 635 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: we're not talking about this. So betrayal number one is 636 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he goes tells the producers in an 637 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: interview obviously that they did sleep together, and then once 638 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: they find out, they're like, okay, well, now you need 639 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: to go to her because I'm assuming it. It was again, 640 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: we talk about it all the time. They're not going 641 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: to force you to do anything, but they will guide you. 642 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: And absolutely, I think in that moment the guilt got 643 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: to him. He said in interview he told some producer 644 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: he may have very well just like made the decision 645 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: and been like I have to I have to go 646 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: and tell Katie now. And then they're like, all right, 647 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,959 Speaker 1: well then you're gonna have to go in the room 648 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: and tell Gabby that you're gonna tell Katie and then 649 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: like so that's just just like just awkward. Decision Number 650 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: one is that he like told somebody after the fantasy 651 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: suite about their private business. When he told Gabby in 652 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: the moment he wasn't going to do that. That betrayal 653 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: is big, you know it is. And I also felt 654 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: bad because I remember in that moment, I was like, well, 655 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: he's coming and smiling, so it looks like he's really 656 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: really really good news, Like he came after the date, 657 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: and so she's probably like, oh, this is either really 658 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: really good or really really bad. Yeah, but it looked 659 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: to be really good because he came up like laughing 660 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: and joking with her and stuff, so she was probably like, oh, like, 661 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing great, like probably the only one here. Yeah, 662 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: and one of those and one in those moments you're right, 663 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: so they're good or good or bad. So that's what 664 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: trail number one. And then but trail number two we 665 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: can't quite figure out because says Okay, I'm so glad 666 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: that you're confused, because we were really confused too. We 667 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: kept trying to come up with different interpretations of it. 668 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: And when she says, um, you told I didn't know 669 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: until last week that everybody knew. My thought the only 670 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: sense we can make out of it was that she 671 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: told that she expected him to tell Katie in the 672 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: fantasy suite in private. But then I wonder what did 673 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: she think that the cameras were doing in that room 674 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: when he told her? When he told her that the 675 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: intentions of telling Katie, maybe she just, you know, you 676 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: kind of forgets us here there. Yeah, maybe she was 677 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: just like, oh, you know, we're not in a fantasy suite, 678 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: so the cameras have to come with us everywhere. Yeah, 679 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: he's coming to tell me that we're getting engaged. Obviously, 680 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: the best point of action would have been like, yeah, okay, 681 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: you could tell Katie if Katie will one, if Katie 682 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: wants to know, which Katie didn't even want to know. 683 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: But two you could have told her in the privacy 684 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: of the fantasy suite and just not wrecked everything. If 685 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: you really needed to relieve your guilt of it and 686 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: her date wouldn't have been wasted, he exactly, Katie would have. 687 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: It just would have been so much more tasteful because 688 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: in that way he would have gotten rid of the guilt, 689 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: because that was everybody's thing. Was like, he sacrificed her 690 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: to feel better about himself and like to not and 691 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: it was such a selfish move. But at least if 692 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: he had told Katie in the privacy of fantasy suits, 693 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been this big thing where she was 694 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: wearing the scarlet letter because Katie, the only person that 695 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: he really needed to tell in his own psyche, would 696 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: have known the whole world quote quote the three million 697 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: people all it's the show. What wouldn't have had to 698 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 1: know exactly? No, I agree again, this is a TV 699 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: show and we all don't know how to navigate it perfectly. 700 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 1: You think, Hubert, you're doing the right thing in one moment, 701 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: and you're realizing as it's unfolding, you probably made a 702 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 1: huge mistake. I'm like, you didn't have to tell anyone anything. 703 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: He could have made that decision, and like you don't 704 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: have to explain yourself, you know. Yeah, all right, So 705 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: let's move on to the actual proposal. Now, do you 706 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: Katie looks beautiful. Um, everything is you know, his speech, 707 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: her speech is beautiful. He starts out strong until he 708 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 1: tries to do the twist, right, he has the twist line, 709 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: and every every bachelor must do the twist line to 710 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: throw them off to get that little disappointed reaction until 711 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: they flip it and be like, but Katie, you are 712 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: the one. So what happens is that instead of just 713 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: doing like the however, you know, it's usually like so 714 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: and so I love you so much. However, We've had 715 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: some struggles throughout the time. It's never been an a 716 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: DG journey. But I have got to say you're the one, right, 717 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: But sackos like this, Katie, I love so in love 718 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: with you lalla um. But I can no longer say 719 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: then I'm falling in love with you. With you, I 720 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: can now say that I am so in love with you. 721 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: This girl foe doubt and we all kind of freaked out. 722 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: That was too much, too much, absolutely ridiculous. I was like, 723 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: there's no way he's about to do like let her live, 724 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: let her have some peace now finally, And at first 725 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: one second, I was like, Oh, he's not gonna pick 726 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: either of these girls. That's a real twist. He's like, 727 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: actually I sent someone home of that. I can't stop 728 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: thinking about. Yeah, yeah, no, I think he freaked us 729 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: all out. Great. Great, the producers were so proud of 730 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: him though. They're so proud of him. And now we 731 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: go to Katie and Zach on stage in public as 732 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: a couple for the first time. They look good. It's good. 733 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: It's good stuff. You know, normally you look for the 734 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: bad body language, you look for the insecurity. I didn't 735 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: see it there. It seems like they're strong. No, I 736 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: didn't either. I felt like, like, right before it showed 737 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: Katie coming on stage, I was like, is he like 738 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: nervous or is he like sad? Like did something happen? 739 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: And then like his whole face just like ship. So 740 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: I think maybe he was just like excited, like thinking okay, 741 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 1: like literally in a couple of minutes were we're going public. Yeah, 742 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: could be. It was really cute. It was cute. I 743 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: feel good about them. They're keep putting the wedding in 744 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They are she's twenty seven, he's twenty six. 745 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: When you think about it, it seems far away for bachelination, right, 746 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: You're like you're gonna wait two years, but it's really 747 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: not that because we said twenty twenty four and then 748 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: it turned twenty twenty three, so that we were like, okayehatly, Yeah, 749 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: it's actually pretty normal. So they're going to give themselves 750 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: a year to date and then a year to like 751 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: plan the wedding. And they live in Austin, and I 752 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: just feel like that the two of them already living 753 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: in the same place is going to give them such 754 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: an upper hand to a lot of batchelor. And you 755 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 1: can speak to that as you guys had to adjust 756 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: to a new place in a new place together. Us 757 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 1: yea of us had to go to a new place together, 758 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: and so I could imagine like both being from the 759 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: same city and like, yeah, hum, let's see anything else 760 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: that was worth mentioning the why do you think you? 761 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: Nate was there? I think that maybe they're just friends. 762 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know he's really close to 763 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: Tyler too, so I don't know. I felt like it 764 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: would have been maybe they're just like really close friends 765 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: or something. I guess. Do you have anything else to 766 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: say about the two of them together? The only thing 767 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: I can think of is it's just it's so funny, 768 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: like this is like the first couple I've scenes since 769 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: like I got engaged, and it's literally the same stuff, Like, oh, 770 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,439 Speaker 1: they were so excited to just go on a date, 771 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: like you forget, Like how weird that is that little 772 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: bubble that you're in that you can finally come out 773 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: and just like go on a date and stuff. But 774 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: they're also like moving in together. It's just it kind 775 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: of took me back. That wasn't that long ago for me. 776 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 1: They're all, yeah, I think I was actually surprised that 777 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: they were together. That's what I think is the shocking 778 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: moment to me, because I felt like after last week, 779 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 1: they put us on this train that made us feel 780 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: like he wasn't going to end up with the person 781 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: that he picked. And I think social media added to 782 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: that speculation hard one. There were the chicks in the office, 783 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: those guys had like this theory, that crazy rumor, yeah, 784 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 1: that he was with Katie and then they broke up 785 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: and he was with Jess. Then I was like, I 786 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: don't think he's random, though it felt too random that 787 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: you're like it like it has to be true. There 788 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: was that was like this is so outrageous, like who 789 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 1: just made that up exactly, and riad really made it 790 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: seem like she knew exactly what she was like. It 791 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: was a reliable source. And then I started thinking, wait, 792 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: they put Jess on like the podcast circuit. They had 793 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: her on our podcast, they had another couple of others, 794 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, so why would they have her quote 795 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: randomly out of all the girls eliminated, have her go 796 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: and make the rounds. It's so that she would stay 797 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: fresh in our brains or something. I don't know. It 798 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: worked out perfectly to where it sounded like something that 799 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: actually might have happened. But that's why I was excited 800 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: going into this. I thought there was gonna be some twist. 801 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I want bachelor couples to be together. 802 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: Then we got the class sending instead, Yeah, we got it. 803 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: I want the classic ending deep in my soul. But 804 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: a little bit of me had fun throughout the week 805 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: thinking that it wasn't that there was like some conspiracy theory, right, 806 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: something crazy was gonna happen. And then I thought last 807 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: week with social media as well, all three girls girls Aerial, Katie, 808 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: and Gabby posted the one photo of themselves up during 809 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: that Rose ceremony showing solidarity, which I thought was beautiful. 810 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: The girls, you know, really showing that their friendship was 811 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: very important and that they were all supporting each other. 812 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: It was really nice. But there is a lot of 813 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: speculation that if it ended up being Katie, she that 814 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: was a sign that she'd broken up with him. I 815 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: remember seeing that. I mean last week, literally all of 816 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: the random clues were adding it, that they were adding up, 817 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: that he don't know why somebody right, Yeah, no, it 818 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: was adding up. And then we see that second like 819 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: when it flashes from the proposal to you know, when 820 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be coming outstage and shows Zack and 821 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: he's like looking down and he has a scary space. 822 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: It was like exact like I could have made me 823 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 1: believe anything last week. That's why I was really satisfied 824 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: with this episode. It really kept us on a roller coaster. 825 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: I kept us thinking like, oh man, they're gonna twist 826 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: us here, They're gonna twist us there. And it brought 827 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: a lot of high emotion. Yeah, it was one of 828 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: the best finales I've seen in a long time. And 829 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: then at the end, it gives us a classic happy couple, 830 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: which hopefully they last because we need a bachelor couple 831 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: to last. We got our Paradise couples. We're killing it. 832 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: It's the main show, all right. Well that's the end. 833 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. That season was incredibly fast, and 834 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: now we're up to a charity season, which who knows 835 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,839 Speaker 1: what it will bring. I'm excited to see that. I 836 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: was annoyed at the brother's spin. You know why, because 837 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: I thought that they should have put the brother in 838 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: the sneak peak. They should put him into the cast. 839 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: None of the guys will know that that's her brother, 840 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 1: and they could put him in the cast. They never 841 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: have to, like in the first of all weeks, you know, 842 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: they have a nice conversations, there's never any real romance, 843 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: which is why she eliminates him. But then he gives 844 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: her all the scoop on all the guys. It would 845 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: be so good, a stupid, stupid wig in the mustache. 846 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: I hope that they actually do that, though, because didn't 847 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: they do that with like Jesse's season or something with Jesse. 848 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: I think I heard with Jesse's season there was like 849 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: a girl that he undercover that like one undercover in 850 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: his cat. I could be making this up. But I 851 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,280 Speaker 1: feel like I was like, that would be so juicy, 852 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: that would be so fun. They need to bring that back, 853 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,800 Speaker 1: and I hope that they do this season and oh knows. Anyway, 854 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: all right, well, Serene, thank you so much for joining 855 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: us for this. It's been a lot of fun. I 856 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,919 Speaker 1: think we covered a lot. There's a lot to cover, 857 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: and you are a great co host in doing so. 858 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh, thanks for 859 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: being here. We will see you next time because we 860 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,959 Speaker 1: have to talk about, you know, your private personal life, 861 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: because it's no such thing as private life here right 862 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: right here in restur nation, and we want to know 863 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: all the things between you and Brandon. But we'll do 864 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: that another time until next time. Follow my lead. I've 865 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: been Ashley. Wait say it again, exactly, I've been Ashley. 866 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: I've been Serene. Thank you. I don't know how we 867 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: came up with this tradition. It's quite ridiculous. Goodbye. Follow 868 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on iHeartRadio 869 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.