Speaker 1: I like my baby hair, with baby.
Speaker 2: Hair, with happens, I like whe Negro with something something,
Speaker 2: Jackson's Fast.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've been waiting. I have literally literally been waiting
Speaker 3: all day long to sing that out loud. There's no
Speaker 3: one I can talk to you about this momentous moment
Speaker 3: at work. It's highly frustrating.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I'm like on the phone with like my coo
Speaker 2: of the Budgetista and we are like going in like
Speaker 2: yes queens flash, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So the entire world changed this weekend for an ambition family.
Speaker 3: If you were under a rock or someone knocked you out,
Speaker 3: or you're in a different country something, listen, it's a
Speaker 3: whole new world. It is twenty sixteen, Part two point zero.
Speaker 3: Beyonce has changed lives. She's come out with her She
Speaker 3: came out with her news signal a single on Saturday
Speaker 3: called Formation, not just the single, but the video, the VideA.
Speaker 2: And it was at like four pm, right on Saturday,
Speaker 2: four pm Eastern Standard time to be exact.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was about four pm. I was just mine
Speaker 3: in my own business and then someone just snatched my
Speaker 3: hair off my head and I was like, what was that?
Speaker 3: It was Beyonce dropping a new video. This video, I've
Speaker 3: probably watched it and maybe a dozen times, which is
Speaker 3: probably being conservative. I've watched it because there's just so
Speaker 3: much to pick apart.
Speaker 1: There is so much.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just because I studied literature in college and
Speaker 3: I was like super nerdy and we would just spend
Speaker 3: an entire month talking about one video. But like, there's
Speaker 3: so many little elements, and there's so many little like
Speaker 3: treasures and Easter eggs in this video, and I've personally
Speaker 3: enjoyed watching the media try to make sense of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, of first of all, you said easter eggs, which
Speaker 2: is freaking hilarou. Did we even introduce ourselves? Do we
Speaker 2: do we ever introduce ourselves anymore?
Speaker 3: I mean they know already this is this Mandy. I
Speaker 3: talked like this.
Speaker 1: This is Ciffany. I talk like this.
Speaker 3: I love it. You know what, like people are like
Speaker 3: red lobster, but like red lobster. What is this about
Speaker 3: the food industry? What is she talking about? But then
Speaker 3: it's like hot sauce, Hot sauce, What illuminati.
Speaker 2: About those white people that we put hot sauce at
Speaker 2: our person?
Speaker 3: She's sitting on top of a cop car, but the
Speaker 3: cop car is drowning, but then she's on top of
Speaker 3: the cop car. But then she's wearing like Victorian Night,
Speaker 3: like eighteen hundreds ensemble, and then Blue Ivy has backup
Speaker 3: dancers like what is But.
Speaker 1: There was so much to digest.
Speaker 2: And then she was slaying all that boobies in the
Speaker 2: hallway and she was like kick kick, shuffle kick, And
Speaker 2: then it was all the black women in the pool
Speaker 2: when they know they said that we can't swim, but
Speaker 2: we can't swim.
Speaker 1: It just was It was a lot.
Speaker 3: I thought there were so many elements, but before we
Speaker 3: and not to mention. So this is the day before
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, so we already were excited for her
Speaker 3: to show up. But Beyonce's like, no, this is Chris
Speaker 3: Martin cold plays playing. But then let me just destroy
Speaker 3: the internet before the superal even happens. Yes, so she
Speaker 3: drops the video and then we get to see her
Speaker 3: perform it live on yesterday's I mean some football game,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And I heard the football regalia, no less.
Speaker 3: The Black Panther regalia. The fact that it was so
Speaker 3: close to the start of the Black Panther movement, just
Speaker 3: like so many different elements, we must unpack all of
Speaker 3: this Beyonce slayage. But first I wanted to bring we want.
Speaker 3: We wanted to bring a special guest on this week's
Speaker 3: episode because, as you can hear, I'm a little bit biased.
Speaker 3: I've loved Beyonce since Destiny's child. Tiffany loves Beyonce too.
Speaker 3: I feel like every group of friends, though maybe has
Speaker 3: the one friend who just like hates Beyonce and just
Speaker 3: like loves to talk trash about Beyonce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you were part of the agency, we know.
Speaker 2: I just want you to know that please behive, don't
Speaker 2: sting me. I I you know, I understand the Queen.
Speaker 2: I respect the Queen. She's clean, not like my favorite
Speaker 2: all times. But I just want you to know that
Speaker 2: the opinions that will be discussed here, unless it comes
Speaker 2: directly from Tiffany, I want it to be happy.
Speaker 1: I love to sing.
Speaker 3: Well a special guest today. I'm pretty sure she's on
Speaker 3: the most wanted list for the Agency. Oh god, this
Speaker 3: is my really good friend, Jessica O'Neill. Jessica, you trying
Speaker 3: to get her killed out here in the know. Brought
Speaker 3: to you by Mandy Woodruff.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: So I have to have Jess on, because Jess is
Speaker 3: the one who every time Beyonce does something, drops an album,
Speaker 3: drops a single, new videos start. I don't know, just
Speaker 3: Beyonce's in the news, you can count on Jess to
Speaker 3: be the one to be like it ain't that great,
Speaker 3: which I love, splash hate like I was texting so anyway,
Speaker 3: but I want to welcome Jess to the show. First
Speaker 3: and foremost, Jessica, take a bow, Hello, Hello world. I
Speaker 3: might have to go find the the the audio booing track,
Speaker 3: no man.
Speaker 1: No man, no ma'am, no ham, no turkey.
Speaker 3: But I want to have Jessica on because not only
Speaker 3: I mean, you obviously are entitled to your opinion just
Speaker 3: being America, but I thought you have some interesting things
Speaker 3: to say about Beyonce and the video itself, and I
Speaker 3: wanted just to kind of a conversation about it because
Speaker 3: there is so much in this the New Orleans element,
Speaker 3: the black girl power. I mean, the fact that she's
Speaker 3: talking about having no shame about where she comes from,
Speaker 3: who she is, you know, who her daughter is. It's
Speaker 3: an empowering video. And Jess, yes, you want to explain
Speaker 3: why your soul is so black and dark?
Speaker 4: Yes, well it's not that it's black and dark. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: I just feel like, especially at this interday age, she
Speaker 5: just gets so much press and so much media attention
Speaker 5: that it is just kind of polarizing. So whenever she
Speaker 5: does anything and it could be so par it is
Speaker 5: just like an explosion. And it drives me bonkers because
Speaker 5: there's these people like you who are just in love
Speaker 5: with her and think she's a unicorn, and it's just
Speaker 5: all over my timeline on Facebook. I can't get away
Speaker 5: from it. So since I can't get away from it,
Speaker 5: I always feel a need to comment or just say like,
Speaker 5: y'all chill out or something, but they just can't do
Speaker 5: it because the B agency is strong.
Speaker 3: Yes, just tell me what was your first impression of
Speaker 3: the video and did you even try to be a
Speaker 3: little bit objective with it?
Speaker 5: You know, this is one thing I think particular of
Speaker 5: the years as I became a good adult here, I
Speaker 5: try to try to take in Beyonce and with a
Speaker 5: clear mind, you know, full heart all that Jazz and
Speaker 5: I did watch this video and I was pretty open
Speaker 5: to it because I do appreciate her. Now finally acknowledging
Speaker 5: that we are kind of having a bit of a
Speaker 5: black movement here, and there's a bit and it is
Speaker 5: it's kind of you know, it's it's everywhere, and it's
Speaker 5: very strong, and a lot of her people, particularly her fans,
Speaker 5: really do want to hear from her.
Speaker 3: She hasn't had interviews right in the last couple of
Speaker 3: years and doesn't any interviews.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they don't listen to her.
Speaker 5: So I was actually kind of a little proud to
Speaker 5: kind of see that she did a video and have
Speaker 5: little themes in it and stuff. But I was looking
Speaker 5: through Yeah, I mean, I don't know, Like I said,
Speaker 5: it's then I started watching it, but I don't sorry,
Speaker 5: I was looking at this video and then I started
Speaker 5: using my whole brain, which sometimes I feel like people
Speaker 5: don't do it.
Speaker 4: Beyonce, Now that's me painting.
Speaker 5: But and then I was listening to the lyrics and
Speaker 5: I was like, hold on, I have a feeling here
Speaker 5: because I just kept hearing I Slay, I slay.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, Okay, now I don't know
Speaker 4: if I like this, and I don't know. Then I
Speaker 4: read the lyrics and she actually just kind of lost
Speaker 4: me after that, unfortunately, because.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm having a really hard time not introducting.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be respectful. Continue it's so hard. I'm
Speaker 3: bouncing up.
Speaker 4: I feel it.
Speaker 3: And then I mean, so you took as she with
Speaker 3: the the Michael Jackson line. Was it the Jackson nose?
Speaker 4: You know, the Jackson nose didn't bother me.
Speaker 5: What is bothering me is how just silly the song
Speaker 5: kind of was in terms of the lyrics. I mean,
Speaker 5: when I was looking at it, I guess it had
Speaker 5: some very lovely empowerment lines here and there talking. I mean,
Speaker 5: I can tell she really was trying to exuberate this
Speaker 5: blackness about her, like you know, my daddy Alabama, Mama Louisiana,
Speaker 5: that whole line. And then you know, she talked about
Speaker 5: my negro nose with the nostrils, and she's sensitive about
Speaker 5: her baby's hair because everybody just feels some kind of
Speaker 5: way about blue looking like jay Z.
Speaker 4: So it you know, I.
Speaker 5: Felt all those things. But then I just the lyrics
Speaker 5: got me there. But when you read the other lyrics,
Speaker 5: it's just very It's like what rappers do every other week.
Speaker 4: To me. I just she talks about writers. Go ahead, Okay,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 2: I feel like I mean, well, one I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, no one thinks that Beyonce is the next
Speaker 2: coming of Tupac.
Speaker 1: You know, she's not Noads.
Speaker 2: So we're not looking for Beyonce, like, you know, to
Speaker 2: come out here and like lyrically destroy our lives. And
Speaker 2: I think sometimes too, I think that I think that
Speaker 2: the song was purposefully simplistic in that, you know, like
Speaker 2: this is a new, you know, frontier kind of for
Speaker 2: Beyonce being like so very.
Speaker 1: Very black, like blackly black black black.
Speaker 2: Like you know, and so that and then too, you
Speaker 2: know it always like, I don't know, I never understand
Speaker 2: why women get mad at Beyonce when she says she slays,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, well, god damn it, she does.
Speaker 4: And guess what, so do I like she's saying so much.
Speaker 5: She tells you in the song that's that's what's getting
Speaker 5: to be, but go ahead, that's just so.
Speaker 2: Crazy, like honestly, So okay, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2: So I had written this book, like my first book,
Speaker 2: the One Week Budget, and in it, I make a
Speaker 2: joke saying something like, hey, like I don't know. I
Speaker 2: wrote it when I was like twenty something, so I
Speaker 2: thought it was cute and I was just like you
Speaker 2: know something about like welcome to the book and maybe
Speaker 2: you're here because I'm gorgeous. Sight that's unrelated or something
Speaker 2: I said, and a woman went in on me basically said,
Speaker 2: how dare you call yourself gorgeous? And I thought, how
Speaker 2: dare you not call yourself gorgeous?
Speaker 1: Sheh?
Speaker 2: Like it's hard enough being a sister, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: feeling some kind of.
Speaker 1: Way about yourself.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I feel like, why do women
Speaker 2: get so mad when women say, like, yo, I'm pretty amazing,
Speaker 2: like and say it because so the world tells you
Speaker 2: over and over that you just are not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's one point.
Speaker 2: I don't mind when women, well anybody honestly, but especially
Speaker 2: women of color kind of like throw it in your
Speaker 2: face and say no, I am freakingthebomb dot com. And
Speaker 2: you will acknowledge because the world literally tells us otherwise always.
Speaker 2: You are ugly, You are not smart, you are not desirable,
Speaker 2: you are you know, well, your looks weird.
Speaker 3: You know something that Tiffany Alich and Beyonce Knowles have
Speaker 3: in common, which is when they say it's say they
Speaker 3: ain't lying? Where is the lie?
Speaker 1: Look at her?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: And I just feel like, I'm so glad that Beyonce
Speaker 2: because honestly, like you know, I expect this kind of
Speaker 2: like behavior from like a Salange, because you know, Solan,
Speaker 2: just like what what was that?
Speaker 1: You don't want to see these hands?
Speaker 2: And Beyonce, like from my previous interviews when she used
Speaker 2: to interview a lot, it was very clear that she
Speaker 2: was self conscious and very afraid to acknowledge that she
Speaker 2: thought that she was good. Like that's what I see
Speaker 2: from her early interviews, and finally she's breaking free of
Speaker 2: that and saying, no, what I work really hard, you know,
Speaker 2: like when someone says something to me, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't think I slay because I just do.
Speaker 5: I think it's definitely a great point. I mean, as
Speaker 5: black women, yes, we do have a lot of oppression.
Speaker 5: We do not have wonderful images of us everywhere. I mean,
Speaker 5: even with saying this about Beyonce, I do feel bad
Speaker 5: because we don't have a lot of black role models.
Speaker 5: So I think it's great she has this self confidence
Speaker 5: and she puts it in these songs. This song, but
Speaker 5: she puts it in all her songs. That's what's getting
Speaker 5: me tired, And I don't know, I think it's also
Speaker 5: exactly and then it's also in terms of her personality.
Speaker 5: I feel like this part of that insecurity. Look, maybe
Speaker 5: i'll call it as somebody who was Greek, we had
Speaker 5: to walk, you know, a certain way. As Aks, we
Speaker 5: don't actually have to tell you that we're great. We
Speaker 5: are great, and so I don't know, maybe that's also
Speaker 5: sometimes my mentality with things like this. I don't need
Speaker 5: to always just always say how awesome I am, because
Speaker 5: I'm going to show you in my work. I'm going
Speaker 5: to show you in who I am. And if you
Speaker 5: don't believe that, then I really don't care, you know.
Speaker 5: And so I guess when I hear all this, like
Speaker 5: you know, pumping up my ego and stuff, I just
Speaker 5: I just like, yeah, I think it's great. But I
Speaker 5: also think it's also like it shows out her insecurity
Speaker 5: as well, and she does that so much. I just
Speaker 5: kind of wish you would find something else to talk about.
Speaker 5: But then again, I don't know if she can't talk
Speaker 5: about much Cholks, so.
Speaker 3: That I gotta jump in because I feel like the
Speaker 3: key thing for me with this video is that for
Speaker 3: and you know, beyond, it's not the first time she's
Speaker 3: done a video that makes you think. But like this video.
Speaker 3: For anyone who ever said Beyonce was not woke, did
Speaker 3: not know what's happening in the world, doesn't have anything
Speaker 3: to say. All you have to do is watch this video.
Speaker 3: The images she puts in there. What I like about
Speaker 3: it is, no, she's not sitting there and writing a
Speaker 3: thesis on the Black Lives Matter movement, or women in slavery,
Speaker 3: or you know, hairstyles and the African American culture. She's
Speaker 3: putting all these images out there and leaving in an
Speaker 3: artistic way which leaves it open to the interpretation of
Speaker 3: the viewer, which I think is what art should be.
Speaker 3: She's saying, yes, I see these things. I'm aware of
Speaker 3: all this, and I am interpreting it through my artistic lens,
Speaker 3: and I'm leaving something to be said by you guys.
Speaker 3: You guys still in the gaps, you project your own
Speaker 3: ideas onto this. That's what art should be. The fact
Speaker 3: that we're all sort of talking about, oh, the cop
Speaker 3: car is being drowned in the ninth ward, you know,
Speaker 3: is this a statement about Katrina's it about the cops?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: But she's being drawn on top of it too. There's
Speaker 3: all this imagery that I think is so powerful, and
Speaker 3: the fact that this is a video and a song.
Speaker 3: I feel like you could maybe not the song itself,
Speaker 3: with the video itself, that you could really pick apart
Speaker 3: forever and like they may look back on this in
Speaker 3: history books and look at this video. Sorry, Jess, I
Speaker 3: know that sounds like crazy to you, but I'm not
Speaker 3: kidding like I think. And nothing she does is a mistake,
Speaker 3: nothing from the outfits those girls were wearing, her dancers
Speaker 3: were wearing at the super Bowl, which took place in
Speaker 3: Oakland or Santa Clara, which was very close to Oakland, California,
Speaker 3: from the formation pun intended when they were standing in
Speaker 3: the ex formation like Malcolm X to what she was
Speaker 3: wearing at the super Bowl. I know, I've gone from
Speaker 3: the video to the super Bowl, but in the super
Speaker 3: Bowl she's wearing that like militaristic jacket, which harkens back
Speaker 3: is a nod to I think Michael Jackson's nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: three Super Bowl performance where he has like a similar
Speaker 3: sort of like gold X, but also in the ex
Speaker 3: formation on her chest like I think she does. Think
Speaker 3: she's incredibly intelligent, and I think you got to give
Speaker 3: her credit for that. And I don't mind. I don't
Speaker 3: mind an artist who takes their time to come out
Speaker 3: and talk about an issue because they want to think
Speaker 3: about it, internalize it. And I feel like that we
Speaker 3: should leave We should leave them room, like just the
Speaker 3: way we have room to uh to breathe and think
Speaker 3: about importantnesses before we you know, run off the mouth
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 5: I think that's also a valid point too in terms
Speaker 5: of artistry. I do strongly believe in that, especially with
Speaker 5: music and even with be honest, I'll give her that
Speaker 5: benefit of the doubt. That being said, I will give
Speaker 5: you this criticism. She never explains her artistry to me,
Speaker 5: like does she has to, that's not the artist, And yeah,
Speaker 5: I think she does.
Speaker 4: I think as an.
Speaker 5: Artist, I think, yes, sure, But she at least Kendrick
Speaker 5: put out the same like type of message last year.
Speaker 4: He can convey his message. I mean, Kanye in his.
Speaker 5: Like egotistical craziness can do the same with his music
Speaker 5: and artistry. She never, to me can explain like, this
Speaker 5: is why I'm doing this, this is what I'm trying
Speaker 5: to convey.
Speaker 4: She leaves it to you. I feel as a pr tactic,
Speaker 4: a lot to do this. You can. I was going
Speaker 4: to say that.
Speaker 5: They don't, but I definitely think more artists, of modern artists,
Speaker 5: particularly when I go to museums. It's just not like
Speaker 5: a blurb there, you know, for a reason. It is
Speaker 5: showing what the artist is trying to convey. I think
Speaker 5: you do owe that to your audience once in a while,
Speaker 5: like especially now, she had a great super Bowl performance.
Speaker 4: I'm never going to take that away from her. I
Speaker 4: think she's a spectacular performer.
Speaker 5: But you know, now you have all these people coming
Speaker 5: out calling this a copp heating song.
Speaker 4: I'm not that ignorant. This is not a copayting song.
Speaker 4: Go kill yourself.
Speaker 3: They're pretty hick. You know what I would her.
Speaker 4: I think it would be to her benefit.
Speaker 5: I'd be quick, like to actually sit there and be like, look,
Speaker 5: this is what I'm trying to convey in this song,
Speaker 5: and I think it would be helpful to come from
Speaker 5: her mouth instead of getting everybody trying to pick it apart,
Speaker 5: and this is what I'm trying to convey. Then you
Speaker 5: can hear what the reader, like, somebody like you, what
Speaker 5: you're getting from this or whatever. But she never does that,
Speaker 5: and that is.
Speaker 2: Honestly, because it's like the onus is on you, because
Speaker 2: you know, there are some artist are just like like I.
Speaker 2: So many of my friends are like, you know, starving artists,
Speaker 2: and I see both schools of thought.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: I have some friends of mine who will write, you know,
Speaker 2: a think piece beside their pieces when I go to
Speaker 2: their galleries to see like what they're doing. And I
Speaker 2: have some friends who will stand in the middle of
Speaker 2: a room and pour milk on their head and there's
Speaker 2: nothing and you're like, oh, okay, while we're watching their
Speaker 2: performance piece and there's never any explanation. And the explanation
Speaker 2: is what do you think you decide? I don't want to,
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Either way is right or wrong.
Speaker 2: I just know that as an artist, you know that
Speaker 2: it's the artist prerogative to decide whether or not they
Speaker 2: feel like they need to explain.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the point.
Speaker 2: Let everybody go crazy and decide for themselves, because truthfully,
Speaker 2: even if Beyonce explained, people would still say, that's not
Speaker 2: what it means.
Speaker 1: It means this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the reason why how many hundreds of years
Speaker 3: later we still wonder what was Mona Lisa thinking, what
Speaker 3: does smirk about?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: That's I love that element. I mean, not just Lee itself,
Speaker 3: to all in types of interpretations. That's why I say
Speaker 3: people will be studying this for you know, years to
Speaker 3: come or in the future. And I'm the same way.
Speaker 3: I like to hear what artists think when they do things,
Speaker 3: but it's nice to hear several years down the line,
Speaker 3: you know, to go back. I think she's just I
Speaker 3: don't know. I think it makes so much sense for
Speaker 3: her to do with in like sort of like a
Speaker 3: not vague but then kind of ambiguous way to leave
Speaker 3: it open to us to have these sorts of discussions.
Speaker 3: And I mean not that Black Lives Matter hasn't been
Speaker 3: in the news, because it always is, but to have
Speaker 3: Beyonce just push it. I mean she has the power
Speaker 3: of voice and listen, yeah, you can't deny that what
Speaker 3: she's doing with her artistry and her voice right now
Speaker 3: is to get us talking about everything, which we are again.
Speaker 2: You know, and also too, I mean just to kind
Speaker 2: of go back to like what we were saying before.
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know. I feel like there
Speaker 1: always are two schools.
Speaker 2: Of thoughts when it comes to tuting your own horn.
Speaker 2: You know, do you have the people who are like,
Speaker 2: let your work speak for yourself, and then you have
Speaker 2: the people who are like And I'm from the second
Speaker 2: school of sort because honestly, I to the budgetese's f
Speaker 2: horn every chance I get, because you want to know
Speaker 2: why nobody cares. Otherwise there's so many brands who are like,
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 2: And unless I tell them and shove it down their
Speaker 2: throats to say, look, we save nine point five million dollars. Look,
Speaker 2: there's seventy three thousand people signed up. Look you know
Speaker 2: a fourth of us have signed up for whatever. If
Speaker 2: I unless I say it over and over like it,
Speaker 2: nobody would care or it would be glossed over. And
Speaker 2: so I understand the frustration of like unless and like,
Speaker 2: literally a day doesn't go by that I don't too
Speaker 2: that my business is home, because otherwise I don't get
Speaker 2: the respect even now with me tooting and me killing
Speaker 2: and slaying and all the other stuff. If you see
Speaker 2: some of the offers that people send me, some of
Speaker 2: these larger brands, it's insulting, babysitting money stuff for free.
Speaker 2: And so I understand the frustration of like, no, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say I slagh because if I don't.
Speaker 1: It's my work is not gonna just speak for itself,
Speaker 1: not as a black woman, because it just doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe to my other brown sister it does, but
Speaker 2: to the world that large, no, unless I shove it
Speaker 2: down the world's throat, it doesn't speak for itself because
Speaker 2: people will ignore.
Speaker 1: And so I put I position myself not to be ignored.
Speaker 2: There is a place for humility, and there is also
Speaker 2: a place for demanding acknowledgement.
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, I'm sorry. I think there's definitely ways
Speaker 5: you can do that. I don't know. I'm like that
Speaker 5: old school media person and I grew up with around
Speaker 5: Oprah Woodfrey that was like on all the time, and
Speaker 5: I just look so much to her, and no, she's
Speaker 5: not done everything perfect either, but I just have felt like, yeah,
Speaker 5: she definitely put her brand on everything. That's why she
Speaker 5: has a magazine with her name on it, and you know,
Speaker 5: she definitely hypes her brand and that is why she
Speaker 5: got successful. I don't know, I just see so much
Speaker 5: more I mean, just a little bit more pause with her.
Speaker 4: I just see a little bit more reverence I just see.
Speaker 5: Her just not having to always say I slay, I slay,
Speaker 5: I slay in every song, or just you know, making sure.
Speaker 5: I mean they're gonna say that anyway about us. I think,
Speaker 5: what Beyonce doesn't really have to do that anymore. And
Speaker 5: I think when you get to that certain level, it's okay.
Speaker 5: At this point, I want her to evolve. I want
Speaker 5: her to be great. I want her to keep being
Speaker 5: this great icon she is. But I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think it's getting a little tired to me sometimes and
Speaker 5: she keeps putting out the same message over and over again.
Speaker 4: I think from Beyonce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to point out one thing real quick.
Speaker 3: Did you guys notice the cameo in this video that
Speaker 3: it was Big Frida? Yes?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: As soon as the voice came on, I said, I
Speaker 2: know that's not Big Frida. I know that is not
Speaker 2: It was like the most So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how's familiar do you think Black America is with
Speaker 5: Big Frida?
Speaker 3: Not familiar enough? But I think if you're from New Orleans,
Speaker 3: what you know Big Frida?
Speaker 1: So you know what I like about it.
Speaker 2: It's almost like how she used me mom Nigerian and
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to say her name correctly.
Speaker 1: She Amanda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know how like so she didn't she didn't say,
Speaker 2: hey guys, this is she Amanda.
Speaker 1: What I like is that it's like you had to dig.
Speaker 2: And do research because she knew people would and she
Speaker 2: knew people would have got we're gonna on earth who
Speaker 2: this person was? And I felt like, not that I'm
Speaker 2: comparing Big Freeda shee and moan, I mean, but you know,
Speaker 2: but I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying that.
Speaker 2: It allowed for people to dig and say, who is
Speaker 2: Big Frieda?
Speaker 1: Who's this voice?
Speaker 2: And when as soon as I heard it, I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: because Big Freeda is amazing, Oh my gosh, And so yeah,
Speaker 2: I just love that she she you know, she used
Speaker 2: her voice, you know, and and I don't know, introduced
Speaker 2: her to mainstream, you know, And so I don't know, to.
Speaker 3: Have a to have someone on her single, I think,
Speaker 3: is this the first? I mean, Big Frida is a
Speaker 3: drag queen, right, am I getting that wrong? I don't know,
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, she's But I wanted to get this
Speaker 3: right because I feel like it's in a hip hop
Speaker 3: arm like whatever you.
Speaker 4: Want to call it.
Speaker 3: I know, Beyonce's pop hip hop. But then this like
Speaker 3: really hard song to have a musician who is from
Speaker 3: the LGBTQA society and from that group of people to
Speaker 3: feature them so prominently on a record that's huge feel
Speaker 3: like in black music. I mean, am I wrong here?
Speaker 3: And not just that, I felt like the super Bowl
Speaker 3: even had like a lot the message of yesterday's super
Speaker 3: Bowl was like, I mean, everything was rainbow and colors,
Speaker 3: and like, if you're going to be like taking at
Speaker 3: face value, it's you know, people were waving rainbow flags.
Speaker 3: It was very much like a you know, accepting of
Speaker 3: gay culture sort of moment. And I don't know, I
Speaker 3: really respect her putting something like that on her album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it's I mean, this is
Speaker 5: me just better help out of it. I'm gonna sound
Speaker 5: like negative Nancy. I just it's twenty sixteen. I don't
Speaker 5: think it's that innovative at this point.
Speaker 4: I'm serious.
Speaker 5: I was gay.
Speaker 3: They don't think the same, Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 4: I guess everything she says. It's so big and loud,
Speaker 4: and she's the first black person to do it. I
Speaker 4: mean it's fine, I get it. It's just you.
Speaker 5: Know, I think it's great, and I think it's awesome. Sure,
Speaker 5: maybe she will put Big Freedo on a map. Maybe
Speaker 5: she won't, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 5: It's a little overblown to me, But okay, great, you
Speaker 5: know it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Technically, I think she's non conforming. She's I'm a gay male,
Speaker 3: I wear women's hair and carry a purse. You guys
Speaker 3: just got to see her and listen to what she does.
Speaker 3: She has a web a web series on Fusion Okay,
Speaker 3: where is it Fuse? What's it called Fuse or fusion
Speaker 3: dot net? Where she has a web series. I think
Speaker 3: it's in like it's fourth or fifth season.
Speaker 2: I saw she's But she's also on TV, like I've seen,
Speaker 2: like if you go to New York, like you'll see
Speaker 2: like bill big billboards of her. She's I've seen her
Speaker 2: show on I remember when I went to New Orleans,
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to like a bounce like party
Speaker 2: just to see because it's just the music is just like,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't sit still, and she just has
Speaker 2: like she's just so charismatic, and I don't know, her
Speaker 2: show is just really it just shows her and her
Speaker 2: team kind of traveling the world bringing Bounce to the world.
Speaker 3: But she though she does slay quite honestly, she because
Speaker 3: if she don't slay, you get eliminated.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, she slays, and she just and I just
Speaker 2: love that she slays unapologetically, cause Big Free is like
Speaker 2: six two sixty four.
Speaker 1: She's a big, big man, you know.
Speaker 2: And so and then you see this big man in
Speaker 2: like a snatched.
Speaker 1: Wig and a beat.
Speaker 2: Face and like yelling into a mike, you know, giving
Speaker 2: people instructions on and how to bounce, and you're like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, now, I'm not sure what's happening, but
Speaker 2: my booty is moving, you know, And so I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just thought that was dope. But let's talk about
Speaker 2: other elements of the video that we were.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, oh man, I was gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 5: Okay, well I'll be in half an hour.
Speaker 2: Well obviously, like you know, like just seeing Blue Ivy
Speaker 2: and I just love to see like, okay, yes, and
Speaker 2: her hair still not comb with backup dancer's.
Speaker 3: Blue Ivy had backup dancers.
Speaker 2: People were mad because they were like, how come her
Speaker 2: backup dancers were dark skin? But if they were light skin,
Speaker 2: they would have said, how come her backup dancers are
Speaker 2: light skin?
Speaker 4: Golley, this is the one question I did want to
Speaker 4: ask about. Like the hair. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I do have sometimes these things about black women and
Speaker 5: weave and hair, and I know everybody's really excited about
Speaker 5: the Black Panthers and the Afros, Like Beyonce kind.
Speaker 4: Of still did her wee thing. What do you think
Speaker 4: about that? The way she does like her thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would always like to kind.
Speaker 5: Of see her in a lovely wig or something like that,
Speaker 5: in natural hair.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I don't know, I feel like she
Speaker 4: will like they played they I mean, they're playing dress
Speaker 4: up she like you know, she is too. I just
Speaker 4: feel like.
Speaker 5: These are always these things that I'm just always fascinated
Speaker 5: about when it comes to her. Likes very calculated yeah,
Speaker 5: like she's very natural hair, yeah, or just like she
Speaker 5: doesn't do I mean, we are very big into these
Speaker 5: elements of things, and she just kind of pick pockets
Speaker 5: where she wants to or just like you know, it's
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Kinda yes, I know, yeah, I mean I think it's
Speaker 3: a practical thing she wears. You see her with a
Speaker 3: big blonde hair like you're going to see her in
Speaker 3: that seat of people, She's going to stand out as
Speaker 3: a star. But also I feel like she's I've seen
Speaker 3: her her every which way I've seen her. I've seen
Speaker 3: her with braids or long I mean, she just keeps
Speaker 3: transforming herself, and that's.
Speaker 2: In the video she had the long braids, and I
Speaker 2: don't know, I just feel like, honestly, like I know,
Speaker 2: I kind of picked. I mean, I'm natural, but I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily like I don't. I mean, there's definitely elements
Speaker 2: to me that have some afro centricity, but then I
Speaker 2: also have some ratchetness and then I'm also, you know,
Speaker 2: business owner. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like nobody's all one thing.
Speaker 2: And then if she would have went full fred fledged,
Speaker 2: you know, like you know, kinky afro and all the
Speaker 2: other stuff, people would have been mad. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, it's so crazy. I think
Speaker 2: when I see like someone like Beyonce, I think to myself, sheesh,
Speaker 2: you know, with my little business, sometimes it gets frustrating
Speaker 2: because everyone always has an opinion, and I can only
Speaker 2: imagine at like Beyonce level, like what you know, everyone
Speaker 2: always having an opinion, and maybe that's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why she reserves from from from sharing her so much,
Speaker 2: is because no matter what she does, Beyonce could literally sneeze.
Speaker 1: If he could be, people would be like, see that's
Speaker 1: the bullshit right there. She always sneeze in it's a
Speaker 1: problem like.
Speaker 3: If I'm Jackson five no true and the country.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess we could wrap that up.
Speaker 2: But yes, So all in all, it was definitely a
Speaker 2: Beyonce weekend and either way you love it or hate it,
Speaker 2: but you talked about it.
Speaker 3: It was the Beyonce Bowl featuring some football teams and
Speaker 3: Bruno Mars and Christi.
Speaker 1: They were really good.
Speaker 5: It was called the Broncos. They're great, they're Super Bowl champs.
Speaker 3: That's a good segue actually, because I wanted to briefly
Speaker 3: discuss the controversy around the quarterback for the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 3: Cam Newton. So apparently after his terrible heartbreaking loss to
Speaker 3: the Broncos and Peyton Manning, Cam was you know how
Speaker 3: they after those horrible interviews after they lose a game
Speaker 3: and tell reporters like what they did wrong and just
Speaker 3: revisit all those wounds which are so fresh and oozing,
Speaker 3: so he was super he was giving like Monosteleba answers.
Speaker 3: He got up and left like two three minutes into
Speaker 3: the interview, and then all of a sudden, there's all
Speaker 3: these think pieces on what an ungrateful brat he is
Speaker 3: and what a teenager he was acting like. And I
Speaker 3: don't know. To me, I feel like he's twenty six
Speaker 3: years old. He's very young. He just lost the biggest
Speaker 3: game of his life and he wants to be upset.
Speaker 3: I mean, if I miss a train, I'm hope and
Speaker 3: I'm like grumbling, like I don't want to do an
Speaker 3: interview for miss a train, so why are.
Speaker 4: We But this is yeah, I think, but it's not
Speaker 4: your job though, to miss that train. This is his job.
Speaker 5: He is making millions of dollars. He is in front
Speaker 5: of press since he has been like now what probably
Speaker 5: eighteen nineteen, since he started on like what when he
Speaker 5: was with us, Like he he knows this deal. He
Speaker 5: kind of was a soort loser yesterday and it's his
Speaker 5: he's I think we've discussed this before, but he That's
Speaker 5: what leadership is in the football world.
Speaker 4: This is important. You are the quarterback of the team.
Speaker 5: They are looking to you for guy, I didn't they
Speaker 5: need you to be the one to hold your head
Speaker 5: up at the press conference ensure this was the press conferences.
Speaker 5: Was kind of colliding with another player. They said, that's
Speaker 5: why he was offended or whatnot.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 5: Cam, you know, get it together, breathe answer a few questions.
Speaker 5: You don't have to answer all of them. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think it does say something to be a professional
Speaker 5: in these circumstances. I mean that's why people were kind
Speaker 5: of like I and Steph Curry when he brought his
Speaker 5: little daughter out the press conference. Yeah, a little in professional.
Speaker 5: They're asking stupid questions. Sure, but now do your job,
Speaker 5: go home. You know, it's that's what you do.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know.
Speaker 3: I want to bring this in on a personal level,
Speaker 3: like what are some because we've all sort of dealt
Speaker 3: with failures in our career. I'm just assuming. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know I've had some big failures in my career.
Speaker 3: I wonder like if you all want to talk about
Speaker 3: any and how you handled in that moment, whether you're
Speaker 3: proud of it or not. I put you on the
Speaker 3: spots and you want me I can start what's up? Yeah,
Speaker 3: people constantly ask me to relive this moment. So I
Speaker 3: am a reporter, and a lot of what I do
Speaker 3: is talk to people about different story a different like
Speaker 3: personal finance journeys. You know, I paid off this much
Speaker 3: debt and I, you know, paid for this with this
Speaker 3: much money or whatnot. And I love those sorts of stories.
Speaker 3: And about a year ago, someone reached out to me
Speaker 3: and told me he had earned a saved a million
Speaker 3: dollars by age twenty seven, and he had an entire
Speaker 3: website and he had all these graphs and charts showing
Speaker 3: how much he had saved and where it came from,
Speaker 3: and here's how all the math worked out. And I
Speaker 3: was super excited because he you know, he wasn't like
Speaker 3: this overnight success. You know, you hear like people who
Speaker 3: lost one hundred pounds in a week and people who
Speaker 3: saved a million dollars in a month, like he had
Speaker 3: been working since he was a teenager and just told
Speaker 3: me this sob story about his parents dying and they
Speaker 3: didn't teach him anything and blah blah blah. And anyway,
Speaker 3: so I write the story, and like a few it
Speaker 3: becomes one of the biggest stories on the website. And
Speaker 3: like a week later, one of his friends reaches out
Speaker 3: to me and he's like, so this guy has admitted
Speaker 3: to line about everything like a Facebook post, and it
Speaker 3: was just like the it was like my whole entire
Speaker 3: world just like fell out from beneath my feet, and
Speaker 3: it was a huge failure on my part, and I
Speaker 3: think the I'm proud of myself and that the first
Speaker 3: thing I did was email everyone you know in my
Speaker 3: on the editorial team and say, we got to pull this.
Speaker 3: We gotta you know, we have to face this. We
Speaker 3: have to figure out what I'm gonna do. And we
Speaker 3: immediately like wrote this like explanation and retraction and that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But that was like a super useful, embarrassing,
Speaker 3: horrible lesson that I learned, and it made me ashamed
Speaker 3: because I have studied to be a journalist. I went
Speaker 3: to a great school, I had great teachers, I've been
Speaker 3: it's not my first day on the job, and it
Speaker 3: was just a reminder that I'm just a susceptible to
Speaker 3: that pressure to turn out the big stories and that
Speaker 3: pressure to turn out stories faster and faster and get
Speaker 3: those clicks.
Speaker 5: But luckily I don't actually handled that tell you the truth,
Speaker 5: I thought, very well, because you know you and your staff.
Speaker 5: I think you put out a nice article, like you
Speaker 5: put out a retraction about it, and you apologize for it,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I think you actually handled that with dignity
Speaker 5: and to your best ability. And you're still writing stories,
Speaker 5: you know, and the Yahoo comments can get kind of
Speaker 5: you know, Kronk.
Speaker 4: I've definitely read them, but you know, it's.
Speaker 3: So hard to admit you were wrong, especially when, like
Speaker 3: like literally a day before I found out it was
Speaker 3: all a lie. I had gotten like a standing ovation
Speaker 3: at the morning meeting, like like Nandy's the best, and
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I am the best. I slay
Speaker 3: and then you fall from that, you know. It was
Speaker 3: it was so humbling, like I am constantly being humbled
Speaker 3: by my own humanity, like you know, but like Beyonce
Speaker 3: yesterday when she almost fell but then didn't fall, I
Speaker 3: must have the strength to carry on.
Speaker 2: Oh god, It's like I'm going to think my biggest well,
Speaker 2: maybe my most embarrassing was like my very first I
Speaker 2: got books from my very speaking engagement. It was like
Speaker 2: for it was a nursing home or something sort of
Speaker 2: like hospital, something to that effect. It's a medical care facility,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how they found me, but they
Speaker 2: wanted to pay me like three hundred bucks to speak
Speaker 2: for an hour. And I mean then I had I
Speaker 2: wasn't even making fifty bucks to speak, so I could
Speaker 2: not believe someone was actually gonna pay me. I was
Speaker 2: so excited. I took it to Twitter, because you know,
Speaker 2: that's what that's what you do.
Speaker 1: I took it to Twitter.
Speaker 2: This is literally like five years ago, and I wrote,
Speaker 2: I quote end quotes, oh my god, I just got
Speaker 2: booked to speak at like said the organization and everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I can't even believe I did this,
Speaker 2: you know whatever x y Z organization in Clifton, New Jersey,
Speaker 2: COMMA and they're paying me doctor rates.
Speaker 1: End quote.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 2: I And I just was so excited and I wasn't
Speaker 2: I don't know why I wrote. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: I wrote it because I was honestly, I wrote it
Speaker 2: mostly out of shock because I was like, I can't
Speaker 2: believe someone is actually gonna pay me to do this
Speaker 2: thing I just made up. And I just you know,
Speaker 2: and I didn't really understand social media back then, because
Speaker 2: mostly it was just my it was my friends who
Speaker 2: like I literally had like maybe like twenty thirty followers
Speaker 2: and it was just my friends, you know. And so
Speaker 2: my friends were like, yeah, it was basically I thought
Speaker 2: about it like as group text. You know, that's the
Speaker 2: kind of thing that you key key with your friends
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. So I'm like, oh, let me group
Speaker 2: text my friends via Twitter.
Speaker 1: And so they were all like, yes, you got it,
Speaker 1: do it? Do you know what?
Speaker 2: Within I don't even know, maybe a few hours I
Speaker 2: got an email with a screenshot of my tweets.
Speaker 1: Well like, yeah, so what we're not going to do
Speaker 1: is hire you.
Speaker 2: And because like this is a I forget, it was
Speaker 2: a you know, we have private information at this facility,
Speaker 2: and we'd worry that you would not use your best
Speaker 2: judgment and might share things that you might not you know,
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to, you know, if you speak for
Speaker 2: us whatever, Like let's just say a patient asks a
Speaker 2: sensitive question, I might tweet it out or whatever. And
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it was like such a humbling when
Speaker 2: I say humbling. And then of course the next day
Speaker 2: I was like at a at an event and the
Speaker 2: woman who had hired me was there, and I had
Speaker 2: to humble myself and go up to her, and I
Speaker 2: apologized profusely. I was like young, So she honestly was
Speaker 2: so gracious about it. She said, Honestly, Tiffany, you know
Speaker 2: I've talked to you before.
Speaker 1: I think you're amazing.
Speaker 2: I thought the tweet was funny, you know, because I
Speaker 2: know that you didn't you weren't thinking. She was like,
Speaker 2: doctor Race was hilarious, but you know that you know
Speaker 2: that you have to be careful of what you put
Speaker 2: on social media. And I just told her I was
Speaker 2: just so excited. I wasn't trying to be, you know,
Speaker 2: like arrogant. Honestly, it's my first speaking I never got
Speaker 2: booked before, so I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: It was more.
Speaker 2: Shock and awe than arrogance and like bragging, you know.
Speaker 1: It was like I can't believe it? Can you guys
Speaker 1: believe it?
Speaker 2: And she was just she was just so nice about it,
Speaker 2: and she said, I think you're gonna go far, you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, just let that be a lesson. And honestly,
Speaker 2: it was such a valuable and I'm glad I learned
Speaker 2: it early because from then on, whenever anything has happened
Speaker 2: with any brand or anything that I've worked with, I
Speaker 2: always always ask can I share this before I share it?
Speaker 2: And usually I get them kind of like a preview.
Speaker 2: Can I share this and say I'm here doing this?
Speaker 2: That's fine, Tiffany, So yeah, but it was the most
Speaker 2: embarrassing can you imagine right screenshot? She said that they
Speaker 2: screenshotted it and they were faxing it from office to
Speaker 2: office to be like, who is this girl?
Speaker 3: No, I was like cringing that you can't see me,
Speaker 3: but I'm my face is all screwed up, and I
Speaker 3: was telling me that. I'm just like, I mean, you
Speaker 3: never want to be on the wrong side of social media.
Speaker 3: I'm constantly worried, especially now I work someplace people actually
Speaker 3: care what I say. Loud child, Well, he bounce back, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. You know, like I said, I'm grateful, but
Speaker 1: you said.
Speaker 3: Sorry, which is a huge deal, you know, confronting. I
Speaker 3: think that's what some people do that gets them. Like
Speaker 3: if I had, if you, if you have, or I
Speaker 3: had just like put our heads in the sand and
Speaker 3: then just like you know, legs or tail between our
Speaker 3: legs and just like walked away kind of cowardly, Like
Speaker 3: all that would do is just you would you wouldn't
Speaker 3: forget on the inside, and you would constantly have that shame.
Speaker 3: And I think by facing it head on, by like
Speaker 3: saying sorry in person and just like getting the awkward
Speaker 3: moment over with, that really helps.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was very good. She actually did that as well.
Speaker 3: Jess, I know you are a special guest. Do you
Speaker 3: want to share your failure with us or do you
Speaker 3: want to special.
Speaker 4: My special failure?
Speaker 5: Well, I will say with my one of my first
Speaker 5: jobs here in New York, I worked at a food
Speaker 5: service company and this just this was just a great lesson.
Speaker 5: I'm like I would say, learning how important even the
Speaker 5: little things that.
Speaker 4: Your job are.
Speaker 5: So one of the first things I got to do
Speaker 5: at this new job at this food service company, we
Speaker 5: worked with schools basically just a little background and the
Speaker 5: goal we'd like served them breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And
Speaker 5: so one of the things that my job was in
Speaker 5: this role was to make sure the scheduling was done.
Speaker 5: It was literally just putting things in the calendar, like
Speaker 5: school calendars when it's closed, when it's open. And I
Speaker 5: was priding myself, like all young morons of how like
Speaker 5: fast I was of putting things in the computer and
Speaker 5: just making sure everything was scheduled and you know, doing
Speaker 5: this and doing that, and just going home at five
Speaker 5: point thirty and just being proud of myself. But you know, then,
Speaker 5: you know, my boss was kind of in and out
Speaker 5: with vacation and meetings and stuff, so I never got
Speaker 5: to see her, and she didn't get a chance to
Speaker 5: look over my work like I thought. But I thought
Speaker 5: I was banging it out doing awesome. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: kind of missed a change in schedule for one of
Speaker 5: my schools. And next thing I know, I got a
Speaker 5: call from home and they're like, hey, these are the
Speaker 5: correct closures, right, And people were relying on me.
Speaker 4: We're a small company, and I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is all good. We're fine. So next thing I know,
Speaker 4: when I got into work, they're like, Jessica, the school
Speaker 4: was open. And this sounds really kind of like hump.
Speaker 5: But so because I did not put one thing in
Speaker 5: the calendar, and because I was just banging it out
Speaker 5: and not really looking over my work, not really putting
Speaker 5: so much care in it, so about this whole school
Speaker 5: probably missed breakfast. So these are like and I had
Speaker 5: to really kind of think about my job in a
Speaker 5: way and really put in perspective. Because we serve healthy
Speaker 5: food for these kids, because we give them free and
Speaker 5: reduced lunch, this might be one of the very few
Speaker 5: meals these.
Speaker 4: Kids get all day.
Speaker 5: This was a kid in the Scout South Bronx and
Speaker 5: this kid this sounds so ridiculous, but it is actually
Speaker 5: a very true story. They might have not gotten dinner
Speaker 5: that night and was expecting that breakfast. And because I
Speaker 5: was just kind of thinking so willy nilly about her
Speaker 5: and just thinking, this is just a little blimp just
Speaker 5: putting in something into my computer. It's not anything that's thinking,
Speaker 5: that's something you should just, you know, really look twice
Speaker 5: at girl. I think I cried for two weeks. I
Speaker 5: apologized to that school and I just felt so terrible
Speaker 5: because it was just I was just looking over you
Speaker 5: best believe. After that, I just looked at every schedule
Speaker 5: was so much care and love. Like I looked at
Speaker 5: these schedules three or four times a day, and you know,
Speaker 5: and I think, what other thing that happened. I had
Speaker 5: a wonderful director of operations at the time. You had
Speaker 5: to pull me back and like actually had to say
Speaker 5: that you know, this is I know. It felt really bad.
Speaker 5: But you know, you got to look at these schools
Speaker 5: and what we do as a service.
Speaker 4: And just you know, take more. You have pride in
Speaker 4: your job, but really take pride in your work.
Speaker 5: And now again, like some people think I'm a bit
Speaker 5: of a hard ass at my current job, but no,
Speaker 5: I even saying in terms of making sure something is
Speaker 5: properly dated, making sure all your data is correct, making
Speaker 5: sure you're giving me your correct client records, things like that,
Speaker 5: I do look for it to be well done because
Speaker 5: people do depend on you, and you know, yeah, and
Speaker 5: I think that is probably one of those biggest failures.
Speaker 5: And I was able to kind of bounce back from
Speaker 5: it and think about it and really kind of look
Speaker 5: at it holistically, and that was pretty well day for me.
Speaker 4: But so yeah, that's if I could share that with
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing that. I know that must be hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard to look back at the stuff you did wrong.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, I feel kind of good about
Speaker 3: this talking about what we learned from it. It sounds
Speaker 3: like each of us in that situation had someone like
Speaker 3: I had an editor who didn't fire me. I had Tiffany.
Speaker 3: You talk to the person who you know you know,
Speaker 3: let you go from a gig right afterwards, who gave
Speaker 3: you a you know, told you what is okay, You're
Speaker 3: going to survive and then Jess you had your director
Speaker 3: sort of you know, give you a break too. I
Speaker 3: just feel like, yeah, I feel like you need someone
Speaker 3: who knows that you will make a human error, like
Speaker 3: a boss or someone higher than you, a mentor or
Speaker 3: some kind too, to give you that break and remind
Speaker 3: you not to be so hard on yourself. Sometimes we
Speaker 3: all make mistakes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's why I want Cam to kind of
Speaker 5: man up and just take.
Speaker 3: Bringing it back to football.
Speaker 4: I guess yes, No, I mean, I know it feels.
Speaker 5: I know people are really like, we were really rooted
Speaker 5: for Cam, you know, black quarterback.
Speaker 4: You know, yes, he's kind of hip hop. He's getting criticiz.
Speaker 4: We wanted to do good and he and he failed yesterday,
Speaker 4: he totally failed.
Speaker 5: But I do think it says a lot about leadership
Speaker 5: to really kind of step it up, especially with our
Speaker 5: young black males today.
Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna make mistakes. We are human.
Speaker 5: Beyonce made a mistake, but that doesn't mean she's not
Speaker 5: a great performer. That doesn't mean Cam it's not going
Speaker 5: to win another Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But you know mistake. I mean, you know, if you
Speaker 3: look at the footage of her almost falling, you could
Speaker 3: almost say it was choreography. I can just you know exactly. Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you know she needs to clap like
Speaker 3: that's some those are strong legs. Likes that much body
Speaker 3: strength to make yourself not fall like that. Come on,
Speaker 3: that is just like the gluteus maximus at full force.
Speaker 4: I totally see that.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: Yes, they well, Jess, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 3: us on our special Beyonce edition of Brown Ambition.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you all for inviting me.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jess, you are welcome.
Speaker 3: Its one eye open my so basic.
Speaker 1: You can find Jess at Just stop it, guy, I'm
Speaker 1: actually good.
Speaker 4: Please remember that. You know, if you want to attack me.
Speaker 3: After that story, no one's gonna attack you. You're a
Speaker 3: good human, all right, Yes, all right, guys. We'll hope
Speaker 3: you enjoyed our special Beyonce themed episode. If you want
Speaker 3: to send any hate mail or love mail to us,
Speaker 3: you can email us at Brown Ambition Podcast at gmail
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 1: We can tweet us at the BA Podcast.
Speaker 3: We love it. So let's just jump We took so
Speaker 3: much time talking about Beyonce rightfully, So let's jump into
Speaker 3: a brown break real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, some more brown break is pretty I mean it's
Speaker 2: kind of related slightly to this whole beyond thing. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm kind of taking a brown break from
Speaker 2: fake deepness. Well I don't know if it's fake deepness,
Speaker 2: but you know, there's just been so many think pieces,
Speaker 2: so many like, you know, like so much stuff as
Speaker 2: it relates to Beyonce, Like well, the two girls who
Speaker 2: are behind Blue Ivy are dark skinned? Why and then
Speaker 2: if they weren't dark skin then it would be an issue?
Speaker 2: Or like how come, like you know, like we talked
Speaker 2: about earlier, how come Beyonce's didn't have the black curly
Speaker 2: afro wig on?
Speaker 1: Or I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm just like, ugh, and as the world turns,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm kind of over.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Beyonce did this whole It's a very
Speaker 2: strategic move to get us talking about race, which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: But there's just been so much that I think some
Speaker 2: things are being analyzed that I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, is it thing a thing to be analyzed? This
Speaker 1: thing right here?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, people were talking about, oh, the Black
Speaker 2: Panthers weren't about over sexualization. How come you know they
Speaker 2: were wearing like the bathing suit things. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I get it, but sometimes I'm
Speaker 2: just like, ugh, it's just too much, all of this
Speaker 2: over deep Facebook Facebook rant posting about you know, like
Speaker 2: what you thought, like you know, the world has shifted
Speaker 2: now that Beyonce has a new video out and how
Speaker 2: you know she is good or bad for the culture.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit slightly over it.
Speaker 2: Although I get it, I'm just going to take a
Speaker 2: brown break from all that all that pieces, yes, think pieces,
Speaker 2: and all the Facebook pontifications.
Speaker 3: I respect that because it distracts from the larger like
Speaker 3: looking at the minutia, it just like distracts from the
Speaker 3: larger messages. Sometime I'm like her intention was on to
Speaker 3: guess talking about wigs and like Blue Ivy and her
Speaker 3: backup dancers again, yes you know, yes, did I mention
Speaker 3: she had backup dancers? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: How old is she?
Speaker 1: Like four?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: I loved it. She is going to be the future
Speaker 3: queen of America if she's not a first Lady or
Speaker 3: not the first lady first, you know, the first African
Speaker 3: American president, female president. Then I don't know what's happening
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 1: Now, lady had lost it. So what's your brown break?
Speaker 3: My brown break? I don't know if this is funny
Speaker 3: or serious, but you brought up something, you said something earlier,
Speaker 3: and it reminded me. I've been meaning to take a
Speaker 3: brown break on this for a while. And it's the
Speaker 3: expression beat face, like getting your face beat and a
Speaker 3: beat face.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I use that.
Speaker 3: I know you do. I know when so many women do,
Speaker 3: and like I have work with. I have the privilege
Speaker 3: of working with some really really great makeup artists here
Speaker 3: at my my work and through my job, and they
Speaker 3: say it sometimes and they'll put it on Twitter and
Speaker 3: it's like a hashtag. I don't see how it's a
Speaker 3: good thing. It's it makes me think of domestic violence.
Speaker 3: And I come from a family who's you know, women
Speaker 3: whose faces were beat but not with makeup, with like
Speaker 3: fists and stuff like that. I could see that, and
Speaker 3: it's just like the expression just makes me cringe. I
Speaker 3: don't know, I just don't like it. And I think
Speaker 3: I Rihanna used it one time and I'm like thinking
Speaker 3: about her and her you know, you know, a woman's
Speaker 3: free to use whatever she wants, like whatever phrase she
Speaker 3: wants to use. But for me, it just makes me cringe,
Speaker 3: makes me feel like I don't want to beat face
Speaker 3: pretty face, like can you pretify my face?
Speaker 2: But no, I know just and honestly, I think it
Speaker 2: it comes from gay culture like most cool slang does,
Speaker 2: and black culture in particular, and like you know, like
Speaker 2: just the light be and that's what I'm thinking. For
Speaker 2: those of you who know are in the no, please
Speaker 2: let me know. But I think that's where it comes from.
Speaker 2: And I'm not certain where the beat came from.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm not gonna lie. I kind
Speaker 1: of like it just the light be.
Speaker 3: It just sounds.
Speaker 2: It just makes me feel like I'm in the know,
Speaker 2: because anybody who knows me knows how you slag from
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: I'm like, dope, dope is back.
Speaker 1: I know dope is back.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a question like why is it?
Speaker 3: Why do I not like beat face? But I can
Speaker 3: say sleigh and things like that. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: know what else I don't know. There's just little things
Speaker 3: get to people different ways exactly.
Speaker 1: You are allowed to break from whatever you want to
Speaker 1: break from.
Speaker 2: That's one thing I have to say that I don't
Speaker 2: know these days when I'm as I get older, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: you could feel one way about something else, and like
Speaker 2: I could feel totally black power about my hair and
Speaker 2: then not feel that way about something else. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's your prerogative to feel how you want to feel,
Speaker 2: to think how you want to think. But I always
Speaker 2: say this that you can feel, think and say whatever
Speaker 2: you want. But you have to know that so can
Speaker 2: everybody else, you know, because that's the part that people forget.
Speaker 2: They love the part where they're like, I could do
Speaker 2: what I want.
Speaker 1: Guess what, though everybody else can do what they want to,
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 2: You know, you can try your best to impose whatever
Speaker 2: you feel, think or say on someone else, but ultimately
Speaker 2: you know that's just the how the world works.
Speaker 1: That's not how any of this works. And so as
Speaker 1: long as you acknowledge that, feel free, beat your face,
Speaker 1: do what you want, slay, hate Beyonce, love Beyonce, whatever,
Speaker 1: But ultimately you know, the world turns.
Speaker 3: And different opinions are what makes things interesting exactly.
Speaker 2: That's how my my friend, my my sister's husband, well,
Speaker 2: we're all Nigerians, but he was like born and raised
Speaker 2: in Nigeria. And I just love when he says that
Speaker 2: because it's like his you know, everybody has like their phrase,
Speaker 2: like I know.
Speaker 1: I always say you know, you know.
Speaker 3: I know because I edit them ount sometimes.
Speaker 2: Jara always tells me that Superman always tells me you
Speaker 2: know you always say you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what he told me. I was
Speaker 1: like I do.
Speaker 2: He's like, yes, he said, it drives me crazy because
Speaker 2: they don't know what you mean.
Speaker 3: Tiffany, nobody had, like I'm getting an intimate look into
Speaker 3: the like the speaking patterns of Tiffany elli ch.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so he always says. My sister's husband always
Speaker 2: says is Zoch not exactly but exactly.
Speaker 1: Because he has a nice nick Nitrian accent.
Speaker 2: So I just love saying that to him and he
Speaker 2: never realizes that I'm like saying it back because he'll
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, so what do you think, I'm like
Speaker 2: exactly exacly, So just exactly. You can say what you want,
Speaker 2: feel what you want, do what you want, beat your
Speaker 2: face if you want.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Oh, I hate it. I hate it. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: I know it's easier to say, but I'm just going
Speaker 3: to be like, I put some makeup on. I got
Speaker 3: some incup put on my face.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's it for for we have a really
Speaker 2: late You know, we have we gotten any brown breaks.
Speaker 1: I want to hear where people want to get breaks from.
Speaker 2: Please send your brown breaks to us via email, Tweet
Speaker 2: us your brown breaks. I'd love, love, love to share
Speaker 2: some of your brown breaks. See what you guys are
Speaker 2: going through, see what you're totally over.
Speaker 3: We'd have gotten a lot of questions and we're not
Speaker 3: going to do a question this week because we have
Speaker 3: run out of time and we want to get to
Speaker 3: some wins real quick. But we are keeping all your
Speaker 3: questions and we love getting them, so keep sending them
Speaker 3: to Bronambition Podcast at gmail dot com and we promise
Speaker 3: we'll get to them eventually. Let's do two next week.
Speaker 1: Yes, I like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, So moving on to wins real quick.
Speaker 3: Some extra good news for the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Wins, I know you had a really great win.
Speaker 1: I saw this fun on the internet.
Speaker 3: So I actually realized I have two. But I so
Speaker 3: real quick. So I don't know if you heard, but
Speaker 3: it's February and it's Black History Month, which is kind
Speaker 3: of a big deal, and so I got the chance
Speaker 3: to do a story that I'm really happy with. It
Speaker 3: was the five I wanted to take a look at
Speaker 3: since I worked for a huge tech company and I've
Speaker 3: written about the lack of diversity in Silicon Valley like
Speaker 3: many people have, and just the fact that there aren't
Speaker 3: very many minorities or women represented, especially in leadership roles.
Speaker 3: So for a Black History Month, I know it's about
Speaker 3: history and looking backwards, but I thought I would do
Speaker 3: something looking forward and kind of calling out some people
Speaker 3: I thought were exciting or interesting in Silicon Valley today
Speaker 3: who just also happened to be black. Okay, So my
Speaker 3: story was five ground five ground breaking black business leaders
Speaker 3: who were changing the face Silicon Valley. I'll just run
Speaker 3: through a few of them I have, and these aren't
Speaker 3: names that you probably know in your household, which is
Speaker 3: why I wanted to like lift them up, because they're
Speaker 3: really changing the literally the face of Silicon Valley. Got
Speaker 3: Stacy Brown Philpott. She's the COEO of Task Rabbit. You
Speaker 3: know that freelancing site. She is just incredible.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the best things about her if you read
Speaker 3: my story on Yahoo Finance. One of the best things
Speaker 3: I got to talk to her about was when she
Speaker 3: was working for Google before task Grabbit, where she was
Speaker 3: mentored by Cheryl Sandberg for a while before Cheryl went
Speaker 3: onto Facebook. She had the opportunity to move to India
Speaker 3: and in order to do that, to run Google sales
Speaker 3: operations over theres. In order to do that, she decided
Speaker 3: to leave her husband behind in America. And she talks
Speaker 3: about how her family and friends really just like dogged
Speaker 3: her about that decision and made it seem like she
Speaker 3: was choosing her career over her family. And she said,
Speaker 3: she told me, and she said this before. She said,
Speaker 3: when I moved to India, I knew that I was
Speaker 3: making I knew that I was choosing my career, but
Speaker 3: it was only for a finite period of time, and
Speaker 3: my husband and I had agreed. The key takeaway for
Speaker 3: me was don't be afraid to ask her what you
Speaker 3: need both back home and at work. And it was.
Speaker 3: And she had other school stuff to say about how
Speaker 3: she doesn't like the idea of living on a balance
Speaker 3: beam and trying to find work life balance, and she
Speaker 3: said it's too stressful trying to figure out what's to
Speaker 3: prioritize and have the perfect balance. She says that she
Speaker 3: just takes life where it leads her, and she prioritizes
Speaker 3: one thing at a time given the situation. So that's
Speaker 3: just one incredible, one incredible woman. And you know what,
Speaker 3: I didn't set out to do this, but four out
Speaker 3: of the five business leaders I featured were women, and
Speaker 3: the fifth was a transm was a transgender. I believe
Speaker 3: he's non conforming person. So I was really excited for
Speaker 3: this story. And if you want to check it out
Speaker 3: other people real quick. Morgan Debon she founded blavity dot com.
Speaker 1: I love her.
Speaker 3: She's really cool and she said she'd be on the
Speaker 3: podcast soon. So love Blavity Blavity. If you don't know,
Speaker 3: the whole concept behind blavity is that it's a mashup
Speaker 3: of the word black at gravity. And she was inspired
Speaker 3: during in college going to like a mostly white college
Speaker 3: where like anyone you know, any lunch room cross America
Speaker 3: in high school, like all the black kids gravitate toward
Speaker 3: one another. So that's blavity. So it was really dope
Speaker 3: listening to her talk about, you know, her very first
Speaker 3: business selling sugar kool aid and the cafeteria and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And the another one was Courtney Ryan Siegler.
Speaker 3: He started this hackathon a nonprofit called trans hack, which
Speaker 3: is a nonprofit that hosts hackathons and meet ups among
Speaker 3: people in the transgender nonconforming community in Silicon Valley and
Speaker 3: across the country. And I mean, it's really cool what
Speaker 3: he's doing. He's not in the tech world. He's actually
Speaker 3: in the media and entertainment side of things. But he
Speaker 3: talked about wanting to give trans people, trans workers in
Speaker 3: Silicon Valley just a place to get together and like
Speaker 3: feel supported because it can be lonely out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's a great article. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to weeak. I'm I'm honestly like I'm. One of the
Speaker 2: things I'm addicted to is I love watching or reading
Speaker 2: stories of.
Speaker 1: People who are different versions of successful.
Speaker 2: So you know, not like always like oh, the multi
Speaker 2: millionaire successful, but just whatever that looks like, maybe starting
Speaker 2: something new, going after their dream.
Speaker 1: And so just was it two days ago?
Speaker 2: I think it was a day before yesterday, I was
Speaker 2: watching They had this documentary about Michael Jackson from when
Speaker 2: he started as the Jackson I think it was called
Speaker 2: From the Jackson five to Off the Wall.
Speaker 1: Off the Wall was his.
Speaker 2: Very first album, and so they kind of chronicled his
Speaker 2: life from jack Ers Yes to It was so.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Mandy, it was so just motivating.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, of course, you know about Michael Jackson,
Speaker 2: you know how hard he worked, you know all these things,
Speaker 2: but to see it through one They did a lot
Speaker 2: of They had a lot of video of him as
Speaker 2: a young man speaking and you don't see that much
Speaker 2: meaning like him and his teens talking about like what
Speaker 2: he wanted his future to be. It was very reminiscent
Speaker 2: of a Steve job just so sure that he wanted
Speaker 2: greatness and how he was going to go after it
Speaker 2: at like seventeen eighteen nineteen, just to see him speak,
Speaker 2: and then they interviewed all these really famous people about him,
Speaker 2: and they just the consistency of what people said about
Speaker 2: Michael that he was always watching, always sitting, always listening,
Speaker 2: always asking questions at six seven eight years old, Like
Speaker 2: Sammy Davis Junior is sitting there saying Michael used to
Speaker 2: watch me on and ask me these questions, how did
Speaker 2: you do that?
Speaker 1: Why did you do it like that? Why did you
Speaker 1: not do it like this at like eight years old?
Speaker 3: And just it was so just watch is it on
Speaker 3: like Netflix or something?
Speaker 1: It was on Showtime.
Speaker 3: It was checking out.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you'll love it, first of all, and
Speaker 2: then like they so what happens is they they chronicle
Speaker 2: his life. You kind of see like how he made
Speaker 2: the moves that he made, and then how he was
Speaker 2: unapologetic about his success and his clear trajectory towards this
Speaker 2: is what I want and this is what I'm willing
Speaker 2: to do for it. And then they broke down like
Speaker 2: all the songs on the album, and I was literally
Speaker 2: it was like three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I could not.
Speaker 2: Stop help but dance because it was so like the
Speaker 2: music was still so amazing. And yeah, it's just honestly,
Speaker 2: And I encourage anyone who's kind of chasing their dreams
Speaker 2: to just watch and read things like what Mandy the
Speaker 2: article that Mandy has just written and this this this
Speaker 2: piece about Michael Jackson. I'm always reading and watching things
Speaker 2: like that because it helps mon it helps to set
Speaker 2: the tone for what you're doing because a lot of
Speaker 2: people will think you're crazy if you're going after your dreams.
Speaker 2: And it helps you to see other people who are
Speaker 2: quote unquote crazy and how they've dealt with it, and
Speaker 2: it just helps to see that success looks different for
Speaker 2: different people in different ways. But then there are also
Speaker 2: some things that are that are kind of baseline and
Speaker 2: the same, which is you you make a conscious choice,
Speaker 2: you put in the work, and you decide how you
Speaker 2: want your life to live unapologetically. So yeah, maybe that's
Speaker 2: my win that that that documentary. It was just so good, honestly,
Speaker 2: like I had, I hadn't.
Speaker 3: Wait to watch them. Oh god, I love Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: What Mandy I'm telling you're gonna be like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: First of all, like I was sitting laughing, crying, dancing.
Speaker 1: I mean they it.
Speaker 2: Pulled me in every way. And Spike Lee directed it
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 3: Oh did he have heard about this? Okay, thank you,
Speaker 3: you're right checking it out. I actually I got my
Speaker 3: dad's dish flog in. I'm gonna check it out very
Speaker 3: much of these stuff. Mmm, little hipster cable. Well that
Speaker 3: reminded me real quick. I've been we haven't talked about
Speaker 3: this yet, but the fact that they wanted that they're
Speaker 3: making this movie in the UK where they're having Michael
Speaker 3: Jags and played by a white actor. Did you hear
Speaker 3: about that?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: I don't even It has.
Speaker 3: Spent a lot of time, but it's just like insane.
Speaker 3: I hope you changed your minds, like why why why
Speaker 3: can't we have one? Couldn't you find one black actor
Speaker 3: to play him?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's supposed to be like a comedy
Speaker 2: and it's like a it's like a yeah, it just
Speaker 2: seems very strange, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, whatever, it's tired.
Speaker 3: We're too tired to take on racism in Hollywood right now.
Speaker 2: Right now, Beyonce has just slayd. It is making people
Speaker 2: angry across the world, which is kind of giggly. So
Speaker 2: I'm just like, whatever, take that.
Speaker 1: Take that. I just ugh.
Speaker 3: Yes, tomorrow the presale begins. I hope you guys all
Speaker 3: know if you have mxes that pre sale for Beyonce
Speaker 3: begins at ten a m. You can go like, are
Speaker 3: you gonna go? Yeah, I'm going you want to come?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 3: Cityfield?
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: So the ticket price has arranged from forty five dollars
Speaker 3: to three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: five dollars, which is quite high, but you know, it
Speaker 3: depends on what you want to spend. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: But at the Stadium show in New York City is
Speaker 3: going to be in City Field, so like go check
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, let me know, honest, I think I do
Speaker 2: want to go. I've never been to a Beyonce concert.
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, I'm excited. The last one I went
Speaker 3: to was for the After the Visual album After Beyonce.
Speaker 1: So we hope that you enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: This uh, this episode was brought to you by B
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Speaker 2: We apologize for some of the some of the the
Speaker 2: comments markus. I loved Jess and I thought she had
Speaker 2: great insight, but I don't want to be stunge.
Speaker 1: I love my life. And with that we sign off
Speaker 3: Like I see you next week