Speaker 1: I mean it ended up great in the right guy one.
Speaker 1: So it just looked, as I said, I was envious.
Speaker 1: I just started, looked great. Fund that back, there's last
Speaker 1: five sort of our looked just an amazing place to pay.
Speaker 1: And that's what you played. That's well, that's why professional
Speaker 1: golfers and professional golfers to get in that situation and
Speaker 1: sort of have fun with that. I mean, only one
Speaker 1: guy can win, which is a shame, but I'll bet
Speaker 1: you I all had a good time. Put another logo
Speaker 1: fire nobody here give the time, Hello and welcome back
Speaker 1: to another fire drill. This is Alan Schipnuk on my left,
Speaker 1: his frequent wingman, Michael Bamberger. Michael, do you want anything
Speaker 1: to be here? It's been an interesting day and we
Speaker 1: got Jeff. Yeah, we have Jeff Ogil You coming in
Speaker 1: from Melbourne. Jeff, thanks for doing this. Yeah, yeah, no worries.
Speaker 1: I am coming in hot from the playoff. I think
Speaker 1: I still have some of Jim McKay's tears on my sweater. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was it was emotional, it was memorable. I don't
Speaker 1: even know where to start. Jeff, tell us what you thought,
Speaker 1: you know, the takeaways justin Thomas wanted the second PG championship,
Speaker 1: but the day was a war of attrition. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys were there until until they weren't. What's your
Speaker 1: take away from this very action packed final round? Yeah amazing,
Speaker 1: I mean it looked we look destined to have a
Speaker 1: first time champion of something. I mean CBS showed a
Speaker 1: great graphic at some point like the amount of wins
Speaker 1: on the leaderboard was just a time as fourteen and
Speaker 1: Rory twenty and no one else had won anything, which
Speaker 1: was amazing. Um, yeah, crazy day, fun to watch, I mean,
Speaker 1: pretty compelling. And then it shows you don't need I
Speaker 1: mean we had to show one of the big big
Speaker 1: dogs win in the end, but it shows you don't
Speaker 1: really need all the big dogs up there to make
Speaker 1: exciting golf and compelling sort of viewing. You know. Um
Speaker 1: sad for me though, and when he played well the
Speaker 1: whole week, they played well a whole week. Um, not
Speaker 1: a fun way to finish, but JT, I mean with
Speaker 1: about an hour ago, it looked a little ominous at
Speaker 1: j T. If you just gets in the house here,
Speaker 1: I mean that finishes. I mean the birdies there, but
Speaker 1: there's a bit of carntage there as well, so well
Speaker 1: done to him. To be fair, if you actually look
Speaker 1: at the scoreboard, history is going to see a scoreboard
Speaker 1: and say three seven, I think you shot this week.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably the best player there. Um, just
Speaker 1: a bit of a rough Saturday yesterday, like everyone had.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I founder watching the end and look, we
Speaker 1: had a leaderboard full of guys that we didn't think
Speaker 1: I would be up there at the start of the week,
Speaker 1: and we didn't know it was going to win. It
Speaker 1: was all that, and then we ended up two. Probably
Speaker 1: got a pre tournament favorites at the end, which sort
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. So um fun to watch
Speaker 1: in a good winner. It's astounding how golf really needs
Speaker 1: to be played at seven you tube holes. This is
Speaker 1: not a live common with fifty four holes. It's just
Speaker 1: there is something magical, magical about getting to the seventies
Speaker 1: second green of a major championship, and no one's more
Speaker 1: equipped to talk about that than you, But it really is.
Speaker 1: As Allen said, it's a war of attrition, and it's
Speaker 1: just neat to see the whole thing unfold slowly and
Speaker 1: get to the finishing line the seventy second hole. If anything.
Speaker 1: It shows you the when you play a course like
Speaker 1: Southern Hills, I mean, inevitably it throws up a great
Speaker 1: champion in the end. I mean, it took seventy two
Speaker 1: holes to get us there. But if you look at
Speaker 1: the list of champions, Justin fits in very nicely along
Speaker 1: that list, you know what I mean, And for a
Speaker 1: while there it's like, Wow, we're gonna get a different one.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, you're right in this case. Yeah amazing.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this, this felt a little bit
Speaker 1: like wing Foot in two thousand and six, where so
Speaker 1: much is happening. A bunch of guys had a chance
Speaker 1: wild swings on the leaderboard. When you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of a dog fight like that, Jeff, and you're just
Speaker 1: trying to focus on your game, you can hear the roars,
Speaker 1: you can see the numbers changed on the board. Like,
Speaker 1: how hard is it just to stay in your bubble
Speaker 1: and play your game and not think ahead to the
Speaker 1: possible outcomes? Uh? It varies. I think sometimes it's easy
Speaker 1: when you're really sort of feeling it. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: it's really difficult. Um. I think usually when there's that
Speaker 1: many people involved. Um, I mean there was even up
Speaker 1: to probably thirty minutes ago. There's four or five or
Speaker 1: six guys who could have won that tournament. I think
Speaker 1: it's a little easier. You just trying to do the
Speaker 1: best you can, and you're having a lot of fun
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of noise. It sounded like it
Speaker 1: would have been a lot of fun. And I was
Speaker 1: a little envious of how much fun they were having. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just those great atmospheres as close greens, they're all
Speaker 1: the noise, good stuff happening. Um. I really sort of
Speaker 1: balanced crowd for that. There wasn't just one outright favorite
Speaker 1: that they were all cheering for. It seems like they
Speaker 1: were cheered for everyone, which is kind of always fun.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I would think in that situation it's
Speaker 1: relatively easy because it's sort of let's just get in
Speaker 1: and see what happens. If it's just a two horse race,
Speaker 1: I think it gets really difficult. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it ended up great and the right guy one.
Speaker 1: So it just looked, as I said, I was envious.
Speaker 1: I just thought it looked great. Fun back there's last
Speaker 1: five sort of hour looked just an amazing place to
Speaker 1: be And that's what you played well. That's why professional
Speaker 1: golfers and professional golfers to get in that situation and
Speaker 1: sort of have fun with that. And and only one
Speaker 1: guy can one which is a shame, can win, which
Speaker 1: is a shame. But I'll bet you they all had
Speaker 1: a good time. Did you have the feeling when the
Speaker 1: leaders making the turn that that that five or six
Speaker 1: would be so meaningful when the scores were lury? To
Speaker 1: be honest, I actually thought the setup was really cool.
Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, he gave him every chance on
Speaker 1: the last outside of eighteen. I mean, there was every
Speaker 1: chance to make birdies coming in. It looked like men
Speaker 1: moved some teas up. Thirteen was reachable, seventeen was reachable. Um,
Speaker 1: and we saw some We saw a couple early eagles
Speaker 1: on seventeen, and good stuff on thirteen. I thought it
Speaker 1: was sort of hang on until you get to last
Speaker 1: five or six sols and see if you can get there,
Speaker 1: see if you can make a few birdies. So I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe um, seven or eight or even nine. At some
Speaker 1: point I thought someone would sort of fly home one
Speaker 1: of those top three or four. But because Meadow came
Speaker 1: back and Will didn't sort of make to me Bertie,
Speaker 1: they just sort of they came back to the field
Speaker 1: and gave everyone a chance, you know, But that that
Speaker 1: that's it had the sort of august to feel about it.
Speaker 1: Didn't that you could have come from behind, or you
Speaker 1: could sort of you could have sort have stepped it
Speaker 1: up and gone ahead and sort of buried everyone. So, um,
Speaker 1: great course, well set up. I thought, I love a
Speaker 1: a backbreaking seventy second hole. There's just something so much
Speaker 1: so about it, and I mean, so much happened there. Zalatoris,
Speaker 1: who probably has the most scrutinized putting stroke in golf,
Speaker 1: guts an absolute must make. Um justin hits a great
Speaker 1: shot but can't make the putt. It looks for a
Speaker 1: minute like that might cost him the whole thing. Um,
Speaker 1: and then of course mead who um, you know that
Speaker 1: was hard to watch. But still that it had to
Speaker 1: happen on the last toll, I don't. It's just incredible
Speaker 1: that it just always comes down to the end and
Speaker 1: what an incredible stage. So I don't know how well
Speaker 1: it plays on TV, but that just that Hillside of
Speaker 1: People is one of the best afters ever seen in golf,
Speaker 1: and it was it was neat to be out there Jeff,
Speaker 1: if you ever hit a cold shank in a PGA
Speaker 1: Tour event, major championship event, is Justin Thomas did today? Um,
Speaker 1: I've never had a shank in a major. I did
Speaker 1: hit a shank it um Council Ponds one year on
Speaker 1: the tenth fuel stright over the top of the crowd.
Speaker 1: The people in the right gallery just move their head.
Speaker 1: They just looked over their head and it disappeared over things.
Speaker 1: So that was a fairly embarrassing one on the eighth
Speaker 1: while I was playing quite well. Um, a couple of others,
Speaker 1: probably three or four shanks in my time. It's inevitably
Speaker 1: you're gonna hit one. What causes it? You know? And
Speaker 1: Justin Thoms Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's a good technical
Speaker 1: explanation for those who don't know the term shank. Um.
Speaker 1: But why do you think of a player of Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas's caliber would suddenly hit a shank in that particular situation.
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens. I mean some guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: Web hits a lot of them, and it's it's usually
Speaker 1: someone who's way inside, like an inside of path and
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, I mean, Gulfs are strange game
Speaker 1: your body moves the mysterious ways. Sometimes it doesn't always
Speaker 1: do what you want, and every now and then you
Speaker 1: hit one. I mean we all hit him. Um. I
Speaker 1: think if you've got sereal shanks, I think you need
Speaker 1: to go to a coach and get a pro to
Speaker 1: sort of sort you out. But I don't think just
Speaker 1: the sereal shanker. I think this will probably be the
Speaker 1: only one who hits for a few years. It's just
Speaker 1: one of those things. I've never really had them. I
Speaker 1: mean I've hit a few, but I've never really had them,
Speaker 1: so I don't really know what happens. But I think
Speaker 1: it's guys who are way inside on the way down
Speaker 1: and they just get a little bit too inside and
Speaker 1: just get a little bit wrong. I mean, it's very
Speaker 1: close to a good shot. It's less close to a
Speaker 1: good shot in the old days when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: when we had the big long hozzles on the irons,
Speaker 1: all the weight was on the inside, on the on
Speaker 1: the heel side of the clubs of the sweet spot
Speaker 1: was very close. I mean you get close to the heel,
Speaker 1: you get all that. You see all the Hogan's old
Speaker 1: clubs of the with the wear mark really really close
Speaker 1: to the hozzle. Um, it's a little bit more in
Speaker 1: the middle now, like with perimeter waited, and they've balanced
Speaker 1: clubs out a little bit and the science is a
Speaker 1: little bit better in them so that the sweet spot
Speaker 1: is in the middle of the iron. So it happens less,
Speaker 1: I think now. But it isn't a is It isn't
Speaker 1: an awful shot. I mean missing the ball and missing
Speaker 1: the club on the other side of missing the ball
Speaker 1: completely would be a far biggest in you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But it's much just as embarrassing there to
Speaker 1: Shange justin Thomas. You know What's what's so fascinating because
Speaker 1: he was saying in his comments all week, I don't
Speaker 1: feel great over the ball, like I don't feel good
Speaker 1: over the ball. But when I when I let go
Speaker 1: of that and I just try and play shots and
Speaker 1: hit shots, then it, uh, it's working. And I guess
Speaker 1: it's that field versus real thing. But to me, what
Speaker 1: makes him such an exciting player is he's a throwback
Speaker 1: right like he was talking about he used to hit
Speaker 1: it straight and he played it. He was paired with Tiger,
Speaker 1: and he asked Tiger when the first time ever paired
Speaker 1: together he said, what do you see and tigers like
Speaker 1: you don't curve it enough. He's like, oh, I better
Speaker 1: start curving it. And now he's gone to like the
Speaker 1: illogical extremes, like he's curving everything like Bubba and but
Speaker 1: that's probably overkill at the Phoenix Open. But you come
Speaker 1: to place like this, I mean, how big is an
Speaker 1: advantage is that, Jeff? When when you can really work
Speaker 1: the ball into the slopes and against the wind, and like,
Speaker 1: what does that do for a guy like justin to
Speaker 1: separate himself from other guys or maybe just more monotonous
Speaker 1: ball strikers. Yeah, I mean a lot. I think firstly,
Speaker 1: I mean they kind of go together. There was kind
Speaker 1: of two pasts that question. Um the amount of people
Speaker 1: that two guys who have won tournaments where they felt
Speaker 1: like they couldn't hit it at all on Thursdays more
Speaker 1: than the other way around. Um, you very often hear
Speaker 1: a guys say I couldn't even hit on Thursday morning.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get out of the way
Speaker 1: and not be embarrassing. And they win the tournament and
Speaker 1: JT obviously said he didn't feel very good over the ball.
Speaker 1: He just sort of just trying to sort of get
Speaker 1: his way around there. Um. And that is it gets
Speaker 1: you into shot and it gets you out of swing.
Speaker 1: When you really feel perfect and you've been doing all
Speaker 1: this perfect preparation, you've got all your drills, and you've
Speaker 1: got your swing feeling that you want to you just
Speaker 1: seem to focus on swing a little bit, I think sometimes,
Speaker 1: and you've got everything to look You've already given yourself
Speaker 1: a good ball striking week, so you've got everything to lose.
Speaker 1: Whereas when you start the week and you're not feeling
Speaker 1: very good over the ball, I think you sort of
Speaker 1: your expectations go away and you just you just revert
Speaker 1: back when instinct and just try to find a way
Speaker 1: to get around there. And I think the way he
Speaker 1: plays now lets him do that, because that's really what
Speaker 1: shaping does for you, is it gets your head out
Speaker 1: of golf swing and it gets your head into golf shot. Um.
Speaker 1: And we all work better when we when we try
Speaker 1: to hit shots as opposed to put it's put swings
Speaker 1: on it. Um. Evidence by that shot he hit up
Speaker 1: the last it was just an incredibly cool looking shot
Speaker 1: in the shot Draiser, I think it's a fictitious for me.
Speaker 1: I just kind of get frustrated and watched it all time.
Speaker 1: But the one on the last was really really cool,
Speaker 1: um and showed everybody that there's more than just sort
Speaker 1: of taking it up high and trying to launch it
Speaker 1: really high and low spin and these track fans sort
Speaker 1: of things that everyone tries to do. JT is actually
Speaker 1: out there playing golf, um, like Tiger did, like Hogan did,
Speaker 1: like and it's just fun to watch. The SHOT's amazing
Speaker 1: because you know, it elevated, elevated green and down wind
Speaker 1: and got it to stop take so much skill. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think people can't even really understand it. You can
Speaker 1: understand it if you're really close to the game, can
Speaker 1: nderstand it. But most people just looks like a good shot.
Speaker 1: But it's it's so much more than that. Um. Uh.
Speaker 1: Jim McKay Bones worked for for an elite golfer like
Speaker 1: Justin Thomas, Phil Nicholson, who would personality type could not
Speaker 1: be more different. Uh, And yet this relationship, by all
Speaker 1: the appearances today seems to be working. I'm wondering what
Speaker 1: you observed between McKay and Justin Thomas. Yeah, just to
Speaker 1: level and peaceful Bones is out there. Um, it would
Speaker 1: it looked like they were coming in on Thursday, Um,
Speaker 1: just finishing off their round. And I'm very sure of himself.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna he knows what he's saying.
Speaker 1: On the last he justin went against it. I think
Speaker 1: Bones sounded like he wanted to be a driver on
Speaker 1: the last. I'm sorry he wanted to himIt three would
Speaker 1: in the last and j T's like, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I want to hit driver, And like Bones didn't sort
Speaker 1: of put any doubt he said, He's like, right right,
Speaker 1: hit the shot you want to do and all that.
Speaker 1: Just what a guy to have on your bag down
Speaker 1: the stretch. Um, yeah, great, just level headed, has been
Speaker 1: there before. You probably wouldn't want anyone else on your
Speaker 1: bag in that situation. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: great caddies there, but I mean how many people have
Speaker 1: he's outside of Stevie, he's probably one more majors. I
Speaker 1: think of the guys up there, um, who were still
Speaker 1: cattying at the moment. So incredible, incredible to guy having
Speaker 1: the bag in a massive asset, and they look like
Speaker 1: they go really well together. Jack gets a bit excitable,
Speaker 1: I think, and finds look very calm and um, I'm
Speaker 1: sort of sure of what was going on, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't get too excited, and just a perfect guy to
Speaker 1: have on the bag of that car, and in that situation,
Speaker 1: you know, it was cool. I was right behind the
Speaker 1: eighteen tea box in the playoff and when when Justin
Speaker 1: did hit driver, but he teed it so low. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like barely off the grass and you
Speaker 1: just hit that little bullet and and probably just took
Speaker 1: enough distance off and he run into the creek because
Speaker 1: it's only about ten steps shode of the water, like
Speaker 1: it was neat to be out there, and it's like
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a pro teed up that low in
Speaker 1: a long time. It was the Kuyd knew what he
Speaker 1: was talking about when he said maybe at three with Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Justin had his own idea and Justin's the guy
Speaker 1: who's going to hit the shot. Yeah, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was cool. That was a cool little moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's sort of like it's quite smart. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very smart. I mean he would have got that from
Speaker 1: target targets teeth lower than anybody I've ever seen do it.
Speaker 1: And you kind of get rid of the right miss
Speaker 1: when you tee the ball low for me at least
Speaker 1: for me, and I think a lot of pros because
Speaker 1: it makes you sort of you can't get underneath and
Speaker 1: try to hit it up in the air, and that's
Speaker 1: when it's when when a lot of guys are losing
Speaker 1: to the right. So it's sort of guarantees that sort
Speaker 1: of low fading sort of thing. Um and and sort
Speaker 1: of to me at least, and it's always seemed to
Speaker 1: get rid of the right miss so it's pretty clever.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I love that. Um, let's talk a little
Speaker 1: more about Southern Hills because it was a big talking
Speaker 1: point early in the week, and then then you start
Speaker 1: focusing on the players and leader board and now we
Speaker 1: can kind of render a final verdict on Southern Hills.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, of course it was. It was
Speaker 1: a blast. Was some squawking Terrell Hatton's comments, and a
Speaker 1: few pros thought almost played too hard. Some of the
Speaker 1: part threes were really brutal. But this is what we want,
Speaker 1: I mean this you should be pushed to the limit.
Speaker 1: And and like you said, though, Jeff, they did have
Speaker 1: some opportunities coming in with with with the way the
Speaker 1: teas were and some of the flags So what's what's
Speaker 1: the final verdict on Southern the New the Reborn Southern Hills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can't speak to sort of um two,
Speaker 1: I can't get too into that because I wasn't there
Speaker 1: and I didn't play the course. Um, But watching from afar,
Speaker 1: it looked like cool set up. There was a variety
Speaker 1: at the path thres did seem really long outside of eleven,
Speaker 1: and the boys never really love like three ines into
Speaker 1: every part three. It can kind of get a bit
Speaker 1: tedious and it seems a bit sort of why would
Speaker 1: you try to get your lengths on a golf course
Speaker 1: on path threes? But I mean as far as everyone
Speaker 1: hits it, now I understand why they do it. Um,
Speaker 1: the interest. I think the really cool thing was it
Speaker 1: was the rough wasn't really part of the tournament. It
Speaker 1: was more about angles. The bunkers were proper hazards. They
Speaker 1: weren't really plugging them, and I saw a few plugs,
Speaker 1: but maybe there was more plugs. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it just looked they all sort of struggled out of bunkers,
Speaker 1: and I think bunkers should be a little bit like that.
Speaker 1: I think the great bunker players will work it out
Speaker 1: at the end of the week. And I think as
Speaker 1: long as you've got a golf course, that the best
Speaker 1: players have sort of a platform to show why they're
Speaker 1: the best. Um. I think it's great for a major,
Speaker 1: you know, a minutes. I think it's fun to have
Speaker 1: these sort of birdie fests and normal tour events and
Speaker 1: just have execution contests and you know, whoever sort of
Speaker 1: makes the most parts in the sort of is brave
Speaker 1: enough with iron shots over water and stuff. I think
Speaker 1: that's great stuff for a normal tour events sometimes for entertainment,
Speaker 1: but in a major, I think you want to test
Speaker 1: as many facets of the game as you can, and
Speaker 1: I think Southern Hills did from afar like it did that. Um.
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were a bit sort of some
Speaker 1: of the complaints for about the slow greens and sort
Speaker 1: of didn't cut them on Friday from what I understand,
Speaker 1: But that's just common sense. I think you get to
Speaker 1: these old venues. There's no reason why we have to
Speaker 1: play at fourteen on the stepment every week. We said
Speaker 1: this farlier in the week. I think, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: we all love fourteen and it's great, um, but there's
Speaker 1: no we will get to the old course here in
Speaker 1: a month and then they'll be at ten or eleven
Speaker 1: or nine or something. Um, and you kind of need
Speaker 1: to I think you've got to have greens. You've gotta
Speaker 1: have green species that matched the place and the picture
Speaker 1: of the greens, and so you can use all the
Speaker 1: fun pim positions and you don't just end up on
Speaker 1: the flat spots. And um, they seem to do that
Speaker 1: really well. And pros don't like green slowing down. But
Speaker 1: I think that's a challenge and you should ask all
Speaker 1: the questions in a major, and I think Southern Hills
Speaker 1: from Afar, as I said, looked like it. It asked
Speaker 1: all the questions. With some crazy weather and the wind
Speaker 1: changed in the middle of the week and really tough week,
Speaker 1: really tough week weatherwise as well. So all in all,
Speaker 1: look as said, it was sort of shaping up to
Speaker 1: be sort of an odd one when no one who
Speaker 1: didn't I mean most of the guys in leader hadn't
Speaker 1: even won a tournament. I made to let alone, let
Speaker 1: alone a major, and then we end up getting j
Speaker 1: T winning the tournament, tournament and two majors, which is
Speaker 1: in pretty rare are now. So um, it threw up
Speaker 1: a great champion in the end. Do you have an
Speaker 1: insugn to Will's allotoris his short putting struggles From time
Speaker 1: to time, he seems his lag putting stroke looks beautiful
Speaker 1: on the short putting stroke to me, looks different. But
Speaker 1: what's your view, Jeff, I don't know. Putting is very
Speaker 1: personal and obviously everyone wants to talk about it. It's
Speaker 1: scary when they get that camera low. Some of his
Speaker 1: takeaw some of his takeaways look different. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know what he ended, but
Speaker 1: he was leading putting most of the week, so he
Speaker 1: obviously can part um. I think he was um like
Speaker 1: four or five bombs on Thurs, like twenty plus feet,
Speaker 1: So he's clearly capable of being a great part of UM.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets everything, you know. He got a little bit
Speaker 1: extra helping when they were handing out talent in the
Speaker 1: ball striking line, but when he got into the pudding line,
Speaker 1: he did he was he sort of was at the
Speaker 1: back of the line a little bit. I mean, nobody
Speaker 1: gets everything. I mean Tiger kind of had everything there
Speaker 1: for a while, you know, and Jack sort of got everything. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's just one of those games. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why it's so great. There are multiple ways to win
Speaker 1: as tournament. I mean you can do it with ball
Speaker 1: striking and do it with putting. You can do it
Speaker 1: a short game, you can do it with your mind.
Speaker 1: You can do it with all sorts and sort of.
Speaker 1: Will has got everything, I think except those short puts. Um,
Speaker 1: it's he seems inevitable. He loves the majors. He clearly
Speaker 1: puts short puts reasonably well, because it's pretty hard to
Speaker 1: have top fives and majors without holding a few short parts.
Speaker 1: Because he left with a lot of them. So it's
Speaker 1: not it's not like disaster, but it's certainly I think. Um,
Speaker 1: And he hold what sev eighteen in regulation, he held
Speaker 1: two great puts, so he's got the moxie too. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, he'll work it out, he'll keep
Speaker 1: working on it. And I don't, as I said, that
Speaker 1: worm that worms our view of his punning stroke scares
Speaker 1: me a little bit. I don't really want to watch it.
Speaker 1: But but he's fine in a way. He's got a
Speaker 1: funny putter in a weird grip, and he's just going
Speaker 1: to find a way to do it. He's certainly going
Speaker 1: to be around a long time. Anyone who hits it
Speaker 1: that good is going to be around for a while.
Speaker 1: Can I ask this one? If you were the czar Golf,
Speaker 1: would you have a uniform way of playing playoffs in
Speaker 1: the four major championships? Do you like the different setups?
Speaker 1: What's your view of playoffs and majors? Um? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't mind a bit of variety. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the sudden death of the Masters has always sent
Speaker 1: him create a pretty compelling situation. I mean there's something
Speaker 1: about that cutthroat, that sort of cutthroat do it now,
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, you wouldn't have had the Bubba thing,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had the Larry Meyers thing, you wouldn't mean.
Speaker 1: There's so many things in that sudden death thing that
Speaker 1: are great, right, um, But then then the multiple holes.
Speaker 1: It seems to look after the player who's playing the
Speaker 1: best overall generally. You know, Tiger and Bob May You know,
Speaker 1: j T was probably playing better today, even Will was. Um.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, and I think it's good. I
Speaker 1: think variety is good. I mean, like when you go
Speaker 1: the old course and you go one to eighteen that's
Speaker 1: always pretty fun to you know. Um And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, like it's an entertainment product. And
Speaker 1: if you get three or four more holes, like there's
Speaker 1: more entertainment, right, and the fans get a bit more
Speaker 1: to watch. And um, you just get given the task.
Speaker 1: You get given the task. At the start of the week,
Speaker 1: you've you've you've got to be in front. If you're
Speaker 1: not in front, you're gonna play three more holes. You
Speaker 1: sort of know the whole time. I think if they're
Speaker 1: all better than seventy two, than than eighteen extra holes
Speaker 1: on Monday, I don't think that's Um, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a great solution. So I think any version that
Speaker 1: gets it done and with sudden death to three holes,
Speaker 1: two holes, four holes, I think they're all great. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's fun to watch every time. Do
Speaker 1: you have I'm not challenging you, but I don't think
Speaker 1: you view it as an entertainment product. I think you
Speaker 1: view it as an athletic achievement to to play in
Speaker 1: these events and can try to contend and try to win.
Speaker 1: Is that fair accurate? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, it's an athletic event. Um.
Speaker 1: And as I said, but it's fun. It's fun to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like the right player competing. It
Speaker 1: is just fun. Whatever the challenges all you're gonna beat
Speaker 1: this guy over one hole, you've gotta beat this guy
Speaker 1: over three holes, be both four holes. I think whatever
Speaker 1: question they had you on the first day, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that, and it's fun and it's challenging, and
Speaker 1: that's the task set for you. I think. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a right or wrong. They're all good and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not an entertainment product for me, but it certainly is.
Speaker 1: We play for money, and people put money up because
Speaker 1: they like watching us do it, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: not because we're like we're feeding anybody or building any
Speaker 1: buildings or you know what I mean. We're actually just
Speaker 1: entertainers really at the end of the day. So whatever
Speaker 1: is the most whatever, the most balanced competitive thing than
Speaker 1: entertains at the same time, that's the win, right right
Speaker 1: when Alan gives me three your side, it's not an
Speaker 1: entertainment product. It's work. It's a death match. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the three holes in this playoff were absolutely perfect.
Speaker 1: They were kind of short. Part five drive all Part
Speaker 1: four and then of super Macho finished like you couldn't
Speaker 1: you can you can ask for a better sequence. So
Speaker 1: that was cool too. Um, well, this has been an
Speaker 1: absolute delight. Let why don't we end with this? Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas is twenty nine years old. He just won a
Speaker 1: second major championship. When when he hangs it up and
Speaker 1: or reaches the seniors or how many majors will leave
Speaker 1: won in his career. Give me a number, first thing
Speaker 1: that jumps in your head. Three would be huge, three
Speaker 1: more or three total total? It's so hard it is.
Speaker 1: Three would be great, Jeff. Five, I'm gonna say four.
Speaker 1: Five is a huge number. Five is monumental. So, um,
Speaker 1: he's already won fifteen tournaments. I mean he's a winner,
Speaker 1: like he wins tournaments. Agreed. Yes, if there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of and a lot of current players in one
Speaker 1: fifth day tournaments, you know, like and he's totally devoted
Speaker 1: to golf. He doesn't seem to have any other distractions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well that's great. We're gonna give one final
Speaker 1: shout out. Who were gonna who are gonna thank for
Speaker 1: their corporate support? Michael, I think I think you all
Speaker 1: know it's part points you know that you guys, you
Speaker 1: played with them. I have in great guys. By now,
Speaker 1: the listeners are hired of hearing about my rounds at
Speaker 1: Prairie Dunes with the part points guys. They were delightful,
Speaker 1: but it has been played pod have you? Have you
Speaker 1: said that the other day? Now? I haven't. That's a shocker.
Speaker 1: You gotta do some way. You go very often, you know,
Speaker 1: but don't you work in the Midwestern time to time?
Speaker 1: It's not that far from a dayna I gu anyway,
Speaker 1: what time do you get up this morning to watch
Speaker 1: about five o'clock? That's I'm getting old. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of the most normal top now, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: in the same boat. It's so sad of you lose
Speaker 1: ability of sleep it on ear lately. No, we're probably
Speaker 1: putting the listeners to sleep, so we're gonna them go.
Speaker 1: But it's been a blast podcasting with you, sir, and
Speaker 1: with you as well, Jeff. We'll do this again from
Speaker 1: the the U S Open, which is coming in Hot
Speaker 1: in three weeks. Yea from Allen and I saw McGinley
Speaker 1: on the way and that guy knows a lot about golf.
Speaker 1: He's fantastic And yeah, I love him, but the unsung
Speaker 1: hero of golf commentary I think we all know is Ogilvie. Yes,
Speaker 1: this has been a pleasure. It has a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: really insightful. So thank you for your time, Jeff, Michael,
Speaker 1: thanks for all, thank thank you for all your good cheer.
Speaker 1: First big week at the collective. You brought it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what we gotta do is type type of one more
Speaker 1: story as she's called a night Now. I'm sad, all right,
Speaker 1: this is yeah, this has been fun. So signing off
Speaker 1: from Yeah, signing off from one last fire drill here
Speaker 1: at Southern Hills, allan ship duck, Michael Bamberger, Jeff Ogilvie,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening and we'll be back at you in
Speaker 1: a matter of weeks. From the U s Open. Put
Speaker 1: another log on the fire. Nobody here is get the time.