WEBVTT - Fire Drill 017: The Comeback Kid 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.240 I mean it ended up great in the right guy one. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:06.880 So it just looked, as I said, I was envious. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.600 I just started, looked great. Fund that back, there's last 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.039 five sort of our looked just an amazing place to pay. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.560 And that's what you played. That's well, that's why professional 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.680 golfers and professional golfers to get in that situation and 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.840 sort of have fun with that. I mean, only one 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.000 guy can win, which is a shame, but I'll bet 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:27.320 you I all had a good time. Put another logo 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:40.880 fire nobody here give the time, Hello and welcome back 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.120 to another fire drill. This is Alan Schipnuk on my left, 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.120 his frequent wingman, Michael Bamberger. Michael, do you want anything 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.800 to be here? It's been an interesting day and we 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.800 got Jeff. Yeah, we have Jeff Ogil You coming in 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.560 from Melbourne. Jeff, thanks for doing this. Yeah, yeah, no worries. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.400 I am coming in hot from the playoff. I think 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.920 I still have some of Jim McKay's tears on my sweater. Uh. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.880 It was it was emotional, it was memorable. I don't 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.039 even know where to start. Jeff, tell us what you thought, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.080 you know, the takeaways justin Thomas wanted the second PG championship, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.200 but the day was a war of attrition. A lot 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.160 of guys were there until until they weren't. What's your 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:24.920 take away from this very action packed final round? Yeah amazing, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:26.960 I mean it looked we look destined to have a 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.640 first time champion of something. I mean CBS showed a 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.679 great graphic at some point like the amount of wins 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.600 on the leaderboard was just a time as fourteen and 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.120 Rory twenty and no one else had won anything, which 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.320 was amazing. Um, yeah, crazy day, fun to watch, I mean, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.080 pretty compelling. And then it shows you don't need I 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:44.680 mean we had to show one of the big big 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.240 dogs win in the end, but it shows you don't 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.680 really need all the big dogs up there to make 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.280 exciting golf and compelling sort of viewing. You know. Um 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.240 sad for me though, and when he played well the 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.560 whole week, they played well a whole week. Um, not 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.160 a fun way to finish, but JT, I mean with 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.400 about an hour ago, it looked a little ominous at 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:03.920 j T. If you just gets in the house here, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.800 I mean that finishes. I mean the birdies there, but 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.400 there's a bit of carntage there as well, so well 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.200 done to him. To be fair, if you actually look 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.200 at the scoreboard, history is going to see a scoreboard 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.400 and say three seven, I think you shot this week. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.360 I mean, he's probably the best player there. Um, just 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.359 a bit of a rough Saturday yesterday, like everyone had. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.799 But yeah, I founder watching the end and look, we 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.799 had a leaderboard full of guys that we didn't think 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.160 I would be up there at the start of the week, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:28.520 and we didn't know it was going to win. It 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.360 was all that, and then we ended up two. Probably 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.959 got a pre tournament favorites at the end, which sort 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.200 of came out of nowhere. So um fun to watch 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:40.160 in a good winner. It's astounding how golf really needs 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.480 to be played at seven you tube holes. This is 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.760 not a live common with fifty four holes. It's just 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:50.000 there is something magical, magical about getting to the seventies 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.800 second green of a major championship, and no one's more 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.960 equipped to talk about that than you, But it really is. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.040 As Allen said, it's a war of attrition, and it's 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.760 just neat to see the whole thing unfold slowly and 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.440 get to the finishing line the seventy second hole. If anything. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.760 It shows you the when you play a course like 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.760 Southern Hills, I mean, inevitably it throws up a great 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.560 champion in the end. I mean, it took seventy two 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.760 holes to get us there. But if you look at 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.120 the list of champions, Justin fits in very nicely along 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:22.400 that list, you know what I mean, And for a 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.160 while there it's like, Wow, we're gonna get a different one. 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:31.240 But um, yeah, you're right in this case. Yeah amazing. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.200 I was gonna say this, this felt a little bit 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:35.960 like wing Foot in two thousand and six, where so 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.880 much is happening. A bunch of guys had a chance 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.480 wild swings on the leaderboard. When you're in the middle 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.800 of a dog fight like that, Jeff, and you're just 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.920 trying to focus on your game, you can hear the roars, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:46.480 you can see the numbers changed on the board. Like, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.360 how hard is it just to stay in your bubble 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.160 and play your game and not think ahead to the 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:56.600 possible outcomes? Uh? It varies. I think sometimes it's easy 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.440 when you're really sort of feeling it. I think sometimes 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.920 it's really difficult. Um. I think usually when there's that 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.520 many people involved. Um, I mean there was even up 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.600 to probably thirty minutes ago. There's four or five or 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.520 six guys who could have won that tournament. I think 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.840 it's a little easier. You just trying to do the 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.200 best you can, and you're having a lot of fun 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.520 because there's a lot of noise. It sounded like it 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.520 would have been a lot of fun. And I was 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.479 a little envious of how much fun they were having. Um, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.960 it's just those great atmospheres as close greens, they're all 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.160 the noise, good stuff happening. Um. I really sort of 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.719 balanced crowd for that. There wasn't just one outright favorite 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.120 that they were all cheering for. It seems like they 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.880 were cheered for everyone, which is kind of always fun. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:37.320 I think, Yeah, I would think in that situation it's 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.000 relatively easy because it's sort of let's just get in 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.960 and see what happens. If it's just a two horse race, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.839 I think it gets really difficult. Um. But yeah, I 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.560 mean it ended up great and the right guy one. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.200 So it just looked, as I said, I was envious. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.960 I just thought it looked great. Fun back there's last 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.159 five sort of hour looked just an amazing place to 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.839 be And that's what you played well. That's why professional 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.000 golfers and professional golfers to get in that situation and 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.160 sort of have fun with that. And and only one 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.440 guy can one which is a shame, can win, which 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.080 is a shame. But I'll bet you they all had 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.160 a good time. Did you have the feeling when the 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.839 leaders making the turn that that that five or six 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:17.000 would be so meaningful when the scores were lury? To 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.559 be honest, I actually thought the setup was really cool. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.440 I thought, I mean, he gave him every chance on 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.520 the last outside of eighteen. I mean, there was every 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.560 chance to make birdies coming in. It looked like men 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.640 moved some teas up. Thirteen was reachable, seventeen was reachable. Um, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.599 and we saw some We saw a couple early eagles 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.320 on seventeen, and good stuff on thirteen. I thought it 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.320 was sort of hang on until you get to last 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:37.840 five or six sols and see if you can get there, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.560 see if you can make a few birdies. So I thought, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.120 maybe um, seven or eight or even nine. At some 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.320 point I thought someone would sort of fly home one 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.599 of those top three or four. But because Meadow came 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.080 back and Will didn't sort of make to me Bertie, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.480 they just sort of they came back to the field 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.800 and gave everyone a chance, you know, But that that 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.800 that's it had the sort of august to feel about it. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.600 Didn't that you could have come from behind, or you 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.440 could sort of you could have sort have stepped it 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.440 up and gone ahead and sort of buried everyone. So, um, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.920 great course, well set up. I thought, I love a 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.920 a backbreaking seventy second hole. There's just something so much 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.159 so about it, and I mean, so much happened there. Zalatoris, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.800 who probably has the most scrutinized putting stroke in golf, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.960 guts an absolute must make. Um justin hits a great 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.560 shot but can't make the putt. It looks for a 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.400 minute like that might cost him the whole thing. Um, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.599 and then of course mead who um, you know that 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.760 was hard to watch. But still that it had to 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.800 happen on the last toll, I don't. It's just incredible 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.640 that it just always comes down to the end and 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:39.760 what an incredible stage. So I don't know how well 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.279 it plays on TV, but that just that Hillside of 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.920 People is one of the best afters ever seen in golf, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.200 and it was it was neat to be out there Jeff, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.320 if you ever hit a cold shank in a PGA 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:57.359 Tour event, major championship event, is Justin Thomas did today? Um, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.960 I've never had a shank in a major. I did 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.600 hit a shank it um Council Ponds one year on 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.240 the tenth fuel stright over the top of the crowd. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.160 The people in the right gallery just move their head. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.080 They just looked over their head and it disappeared over things. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.960 So that was a fairly embarrassing one on the eighth 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.880 while I was playing quite well. Um, a couple of others, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.720 probably three or four shanks in my time. It's inevitably 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.760 you're gonna hit one. What causes it? You know? And 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:30.000 Justin Thoms Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's a good technical 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.320 explanation for those who don't know the term shank. Um. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.640 But why do you think of a player of Justin 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.240 Thomas's caliber would suddenly hit a shank in that particular situation. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.400 I mean, it happens. I mean some guys, I mean, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.239 Web hits a lot of them, and it's it's usually 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.880 someone who's way inside, like an inside of path and 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.920 maybe I don't know, I mean, Gulfs are strange game 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.400 your body moves the mysterious ways. Sometimes it doesn't always 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:56.560 do what you want, and every now and then you 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.560 hit one. I mean we all hit him. Um. I 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.600 think if you've got sereal shanks, I think you need 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:03.960 to go to a coach and get a pro to 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.440 sort of sort you out. But I don't think just 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.520 the sereal shanker. I think this will probably be the 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.640 only one who hits for a few years. It's just 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.720 one of those things. I've never really had them. I 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.320 mean I've hit a few, but I've never really had them, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.080 so I don't really know what happens. But I think 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.760 it's guys who are way inside on the way down 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.080 and they just get a little bit too inside and 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:22.720 just get a little bit wrong. I mean, it's very 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.360 close to a good shot. It's less close to a 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.880 good shot in the old days when I was a kid, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.200 when we had the big long hozzles on the irons, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.080 all the weight was on the inside, on the on 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.839 the heel side of the clubs of the sweet spot 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.320 was very close. I mean you get close to the heel, 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.480 you get all that. You see all the Hogan's old 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.680 clubs of the with the wear mark really really close 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.120 to the hozzle. Um, it's a little bit more in 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.480 the middle now, like with perimeter waited, and they've balanced 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.959 clubs out a little bit and the science is a 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.840 little bit better in them so that the sweet spot 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.200 is in the middle of the iron. So it happens less, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.880 I think now. But it isn't a is It isn't 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.079 an awful shot. I mean missing the ball and missing 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.360 the club on the other side of missing the ball 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:58.959 completely would be a far biggest in you know what 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.160 I mean. But it's much just as embarrassing there to 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.280 Shange justin Thomas. You know What's what's so fascinating because 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:06.760 he was saying in his comments all week, I don't 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.439 feel great over the ball, like I don't feel good 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.440 over the ball. But when I when I let go 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.760 of that and I just try and play shots and 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:16.360 hit shots, then it, uh, it's working. And I guess 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.280 it's that field versus real thing. But to me, what 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.800 makes him such an exciting player is he's a throwback 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.200 right like he was talking about he used to hit 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.600 it straight and he played it. He was paired with Tiger, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.640 and he asked Tiger when the first time ever paired 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.400 together he said, what do you see and tigers like 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.880 you don't curve it enough. He's like, oh, I better 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.480 start curving it. And now he's gone to like the 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.480 illogical extremes, like he's curving everything like Bubba and but 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.800 that's probably overkill at the Phoenix Open. But you come 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.320 to place like this, I mean, how big is an 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.400 advantage is that, Jeff? When when you can really work 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.040 the ball into the slopes and against the wind, and like, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.360 what does that do for a guy like justin to 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.960 separate himself from other guys or maybe just more monotonous 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:53.400 ball strikers. Yeah, I mean a lot. I think firstly, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.760 I mean they kind of go together. There was kind 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.320 of two pasts that question. Um the amount of people 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.320 that two guys who have won tournaments where they felt 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.600 like they couldn't hit it at all on Thursdays more 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.640 than the other way around. Um, you very often hear 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.320 a guys say I couldn't even hit on Thursday morning. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.440 I was just trying to get out of the way 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.920 and not be embarrassing. And they win the tournament and 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.240 JT obviously said he didn't feel very good over the ball. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.960 He just sort of just trying to sort of get 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.080 his way around there. Um. And that is it gets 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.880 you into shot and it gets you out of swing. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.200 When you really feel perfect and you've been doing all 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.240 this perfect preparation, you've got all your drills, and you've 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.640 got your swing feeling that you want to you just 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.920 seem to focus on swing a little bit, I think sometimes, 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.800 and you've got everything to look You've already given yourself 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.880 a good ball striking week, so you've got everything to lose. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.520 Whereas when you start the week and you're not feeling 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.560 very good over the ball, I think you sort of 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.440 your expectations go away and you just you just revert 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:47.920 back when instinct and just try to find a way 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.840 to get around there. And I think the way he 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.240 plays now lets him do that, because that's really what 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.120 shaping does for you, is it gets your head out 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.200 of golf swing and it gets your head into golf shot. Um. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.520 And we all work better when we when we try 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.920 to hit shots as opposed to put it's put swings 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.320 on it. Um. Evidence by that shot he hit up 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.520 the last it was just an incredibly cool looking shot 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.720 in the shot Draiser, I think it's a fictitious for me. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.640 I just kind of get frustrated and watched it all time. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.320 But the one on the last was really really cool, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.160 um and showed everybody that there's more than just sort 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.719 of taking it up high and trying to launch it 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.679 really high and low spin and these track fans sort 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.600 of things that everyone tries to do. JT is actually 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.680 out there playing golf, um, like Tiger did, like Hogan did, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.960 like and it's just fun to watch. The SHOT's amazing 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.760 because you know, it elevated, elevated green and down wind 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.760 and got it to stop take so much skill. I mean, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.360 I think people can't even really understand it. You can 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.280 understand it if you're really close to the game, can 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.240 nderstand it. But most people just looks like a good shot. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.160 But it's it's so much more than that. Um. Uh. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.640 Jim McKay Bones worked for for an elite golfer like 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.760 Justin Thomas, Phil Nicholson, who would personality type could not 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.360 be more different. Uh, And yet this relationship, by all 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.840 the appearances today seems to be working. I'm wondering what 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:06.400 you observed between McKay and Justin Thomas. Yeah, just to 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.480 level and peaceful Bones is out there. Um, it would 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.040 it looked like they were coming in on Thursday, Um, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.000 just finishing off their round. And I'm very sure of himself. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.840 You know, he's not gonna he knows what he's saying. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.360 On the last he justin went against it. I think 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.959 Bones sounded like he wanted to be a driver on 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.440 the last. I'm sorry he wanted to himIt three would 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.640 in the last and j T's like, no, no, no no, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.439 I want to hit driver, And like Bones didn't sort 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.000 of put any doubt he said, He's like, right right, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.480 hit the shot you want to do and all that. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.080 Just what a guy to have on your bag down 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.920 the stretch. Um, yeah, great, just level headed, has been 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.720 there before. You probably wouldn't want anyone else on your 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.360 bag in that situation. I mean, there's a lot of 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.120 great caddies there, but I mean how many people have 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.760 he's outside of Stevie, he's probably one more majors. I 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.920 think of the guys up there, um, who were still 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.920 cattying at the moment. So incredible, incredible to guy having 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:59.480 the bag in a massive asset, and they look like 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.680 they go really well together. Jack gets a bit excitable, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.400 I think, and finds look very calm and um, I'm 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.120 sort of sure of what was going on, and it 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.679 doesn't get too excited, and just a perfect guy to 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.199 have on the bag of that car, and in that situation, 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.080 you know, it was cool. I was right behind the 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.600 eighteen tea box in the playoff and when when Justin 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.040 did hit driver, but he teed it so low. I 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.880 mean it was like barely off the grass and you 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.480 just hit that little bullet and and probably just took 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.400 enough distance off and he run into the creek because 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.120 it's only about ten steps shode of the water, like 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:31.559 it was neat to be out there, and it's like 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.040 I haven't seen a pro teed up that low in 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:34.240 a long time. It was the Kuyd knew what he 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.200 was talking about when he said maybe at three with Yeah, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.400 but Justin had his own idea and Justin's the guy 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:39.920 who's going to hit the shot. Yeah, Yeah, that was 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.720 that was cool. That was a cool little moment. Yeah, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.000 but that's sort of like it's quite smart. Yeah, it's 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:46.600 very smart. I mean he would have got that from 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.679 target targets teeth lower than anybody I've ever seen do it. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.679 And you kind of get rid of the right miss 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.680 when you tee the ball low for me at least 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.040 for me, and I think a lot of pros because 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.280 it makes you sort of you can't get underneath and 0:13:58.320 --> 0:13:59.439 try to hit it up in the air, and that's 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.240 when it's when when a lot of guys are losing 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:02.959 to the right. So it's sort of guarantees that sort 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.280 of low fading sort of thing. Um and and sort 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.839 of to me at least, and it's always seemed to 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.880 get rid of the right miss so it's pretty clever. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.560 That's cool. I love that. Um, let's talk a little 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.120 more about Southern Hills because it was a big talking 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.679 point early in the week, and then then you start 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.320 focusing on the players and leader board and now we 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.360 can kind of render a final verdict on Southern Hills. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.680 I mean, I thought, of course it was. It was 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.400 a blast. Was some squawking Terrell Hatton's comments, and a 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.160 few pros thought almost played too hard. Some of the 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.960 part threes were really brutal. But this is what we want, 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.840 I mean this you should be pushed to the limit. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.600 And and like you said, though, Jeff, they did have 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.800 some opportunities coming in with with with the way the 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.200 teas were and some of the flags So what's what's 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:49.560 the final verdict on Southern the New the Reborn Southern Hills. Yeah, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:54.720 I mean I can't speak to sort of um two, 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.600 I can't get too into that because I wasn't there 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.520 and I didn't play the course. Um, But watching from afar, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.760 it looked like cool set up. There was a variety 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.800 at the path thres did seem really long outside of eleven, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.120 and the boys never really love like three ines into 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.600 every part three. It can kind of get a bit 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.800 tedious and it seems a bit sort of why would 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.240 you try to get your lengths on a golf course 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.400 on path threes? But I mean as far as everyone 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.400 hits it, now I understand why they do it. Um, 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.080 the interest. I think the really cool thing was it 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.760 was the rough wasn't really part of the tournament. It 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.720 was more about angles. The bunkers were proper hazards. They 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.680 weren't really plugging them, and I saw a few plugs, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.600 but maybe there was more plugs. I don't know, but 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.080 it just looked they all sort of struggled out of bunkers, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.720 and I think bunkers should be a little bit like that. 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.720 I think the great bunker players will work it out 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.160 at the end of the week. And I think as 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.480 long as you've got a golf course, that the best 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.280 players have sort of a platform to show why they're 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.680 the best. Um. I think it's great for a major, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.280 you know, a minutes. I think it's fun to have 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.320 these sort of birdie fests and normal tour events and 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.400 just have execution contests and you know, whoever sort of 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.600 makes the most parts in the sort of is brave 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.600 enough with iron shots over water and stuff. I think 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.280 that's great stuff for a normal tour events sometimes for entertainment, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:06.720 but in a major, I think you want to test 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.320 as many facets of the game as you can, and 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.960 I think Southern Hills did from afar like it did that. Um. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.400 It seemed like they were a bit sort of some 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.520 of the complaints for about the slow greens and sort 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.680 of didn't cut them on Friday from what I understand, 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:21.880 But that's just common sense. I think you get to 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.040 these old venues. There's no reason why we have to 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.920 play at fourteen on the stepment every week. We said 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.000 this farlier in the week. I think, I mean, obviously 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.720 we all love fourteen and it's great, um, but there's 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.440 no we will get to the old course here in 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.360 a month and then they'll be at ten or eleven 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.200 or nine or something. Um, and you kind of need 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.760 to I think you've got to have greens. You've gotta 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.880 have green species that matched the place and the picture 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.320 of the greens, and so you can use all the 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.040 fun pim positions and you don't just end up on 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.160 the flat spots. And um, they seem to do that 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.680 really well. And pros don't like green slowing down. But 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.920 I think that's a challenge and you should ask all 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.720 the questions in a major, and I think Southern Hills 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.760 from Afar, as I said, looked like it. It asked 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.600 all the questions. With some crazy weather and the wind 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.560 changed in the middle of the week and really tough week, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.960 really tough week weatherwise as well. So all in all, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.359 look as said, it was sort of shaping up to 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.320 be sort of an odd one when no one who 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.000 didn't I mean most of the guys in leader hadn't 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.760 even won a tournament. I made to let alone, let 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.119 alone a major, and then we end up getting j 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.359 T winning the tournament, tournament and two majors, which is 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.239 in pretty rare are now. So um, it threw up 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.760 a great champion in the end. Do you have an 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.439 insugn to Will's allotoris his short putting struggles From time 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.400 to time, he seems his lag putting stroke looks beautiful 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.320