1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Big Fish Small Pod. I'm Andrew Erdahl, 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: and today is August third, following up on yesterday's trade 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: deadline and the Marlins loss to the Cincinnati Reds. Really, 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: what I want to focus on today is new Jacksonville 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Jembo Shrimp Jordan Grosshen's mostly a short stop, but truly 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: like played something of like utility role in Triple A 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: this year, featuring at third base, right field, sum at 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: first as well. He was the prospect acquired in the 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: trade with the Toronto Blue Jays. I'm sure you're familiar 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: by now. If you're not, the Marlins sent Zach Pop, 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Anthony Bass and a player to be named later. Who 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume is Chris Mokhma until someone tells 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: me otherwise. But I'm personally a fan of this trade. 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a good deal. I think the Marlins 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: got like a top end talent. He's one that's considered 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: to be a top prospect and it has been through 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: the years, like a twelfth overall draft pick in twenty eighteen, 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: considered to be in the top one hundred by like 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: Baseball Perspectives MLB dot Com prior to this year, and 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: prior to this season was considered to be a top prospect, 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: unlike the Fangraphs and Baseball America sort of like the 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: catch here is that his stock has been on the 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: client so far in twenty twenty two. So I want 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: to get into a bit of that talk with you 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: about like his developmental path and get a feel for 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: what we can expect from this new Marlins prospect. So 27 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: Fangrafts really was like the source that I found that 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: was like lowest on him. They list him as a 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: forty five future value prospect, a slightly below average player, 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: noting in his in their profile that his exit velocity 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: isn't there compared to his years, and that breaking ball 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: is knubbed out in front of home plate picked up 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: by Hernandez. The SRODA first is in time to get 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: grossings by a step, and his lack of power hitting 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: is certainly what jumps out from his twenty twenty two 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: batting line if you check it out. One home run 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two in about three hundred plate appearances, 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: overall slash line of two fifty batting average, three forty 39 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: eight on base percentage, and just two ninety six slugging 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: for the Triple A team in Buffalo. So really the 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: key thought about this projection as a prospect is that 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: he is four and a half years younger than his 43 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: competition at Triple A, which is a significant age gap, 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: especially as it relates to this physical development in the past. 45 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: As he made his way through rookie ball single A, 46 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Double A, like a relatively like paste me, he mostly 47 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: faced competition that was two years his senior, and then 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: at this step up to the Triple A level and 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: those much older players they've really like sapped his power 50 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: and ability to impact the ball. On his career, he 51 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: owns about a four to h two slug in percentage, 52 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: about like solid hundred points higher than how he's been 53 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: at Triple A, slugging about five home runs every three 54 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: hundred plate appearances, and at twenty two, it is really 55 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: likely that he could still add the like requisite strength 56 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: for that power production. Fanografts does also note his plate skills, 57 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: like his pitch selection is an above average sixty and 58 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: his back control is an average fifty. Personally, when I 59 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: see him that I having watched a few highlights myself, 60 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: it seems like he has a good eye at the 61 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: plate and I see better back control than the average 62 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: major league baseball player. In highlights, I've seen him take 63 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: like an inside fastball to deep center, getting like quickly 64 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: around the ball inside of it and still hitting it 65 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: over the outfielder's head. The alrighty delivers pitch swung on 66 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: drilled to center field over goes lee. That one is 67 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: over his head, two hops off the wall around the 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: bag at first heading for second is grosshins. I've also 69 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: seen him just extend down catching like an off speed 70 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: pitch down low, pulling it for his only home run 71 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: in triple A. And looking at his spray charts from 72 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: like Single A and Rookie Ball, which are the only 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: ones available on baseball Savant, unfortunately that's just where public 74 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: tracking data is available. They do show, however, a very 75 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: solid spray profile, like particularly in single A he had 76 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: like two home runs, and they're like basically like right 77 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: down the line and right and right down the line 78 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: and left with like a good even spray all around 79 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: the field, like distributing like singles over the infield, doubles 80 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: down the lines in the alleys and actually not as 81 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: single triple to his name as a professional batter, when 82 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: I see him with that like inside cut as opposed 83 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: to like the big swooping swing you might see from 84 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: a power oriented player. You can get some hole runs 85 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: from that approach, just with solid contact, but it's not 86 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: a focus for him. He seems to be the type 87 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: of hitter that makes solid contact with the ball pretty 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: out in front to get it to all ends of 89 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: the field and take whatever pitch he's given from the 90 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: pitcher and work with it at the plate making impactful hits. 91 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: He has been able to hold the plate well, which 92 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: is like great for a young player right now in 93 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: Triple A even despite the age difference that's like pretty 94 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: clearly causing some difficulty. He's thirty five walks to forty 95 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: six strikeouts, so he does force the ball and play 96 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 1: quite a lot, and quite simply he does just get 97 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: on base. So the triple thing that does kind of 98 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: signal another limit on his potential. With Fanografts, they've rated 99 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: his speed to be like a fifty average speed with 100 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: like a relative lack of power. There do seem to 101 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: be some questions about his tools and like overall upside, 102 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: but no doubt the Marlins wanted this player for his 103 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: skill at the plate and at twenty two, standing at six' 104 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: Three grossians should be able to develop a bit more 105 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: whether or not it's like bulk or, speed it can 106 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: help him hit the ball with more. Authority and maybe 107 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: it's like somewhat counterintuitive to say like power or, speed 108 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: but we've seen how Like jazz can convert his electric 109 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: athleticism into power at the, plate AND i think it's 110 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: right to look for something more From Jordan groshen's before 111 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: he is a major league, regular really like physically developing 112 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: as an athlete in like the generalized, sense seems to 113 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: be the next step for. Him generalized in the sense, 114 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: that LIKE i want to see this player look more 115 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: like a decathlete that like The donnis type sprinter and 116 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: like shot put, thrower like that whole picture of just 117 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: your Like grecian. Athlete whereas now he's more you're. Hitter 118 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting to, see like the way Kem ang is 119 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: kind of favored you're more like able hitters think Like Joey, 120 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: wendall think Like Brian dala, crews Think Jordan. Grosians, now 121 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: BUT i don't have like a whole lot to say 122 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: about that general pattern, Yet so let's stick With, jordan 123 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: AND i really don't think it's a wonder why prospectors 124 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: have been like down on, him downgrading him from their 125 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: top one, hundred while like citing the force he puts 126 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: into the ball as this biggest drawback as a. Prospect 127 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: the saying really is that like power comes from the, 128 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: legs And jordan has had injuries to this. Point twenty 129 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: nineteen was really like plagued with him for like a 130 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: foot injury that was recurrent ended his season with just 131 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: like right around one hundred at, bats and that was 132 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: prior to the lost twenty twenty minor league, season which 133 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: he acknowledged that he was like felt like he was 134 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: like playing from behind at that point in his. Development 135 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: headed into twenty twenty, one where he like performed well 136 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: at double agg giving you like the full like slash. 137 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: Line he was a two nine to, one three sixty 138 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: seven four fifty hit seven home runs in about three 139 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen played, appearances like good. Stuff but twenty twenty, 140 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: two like this year started with an oblique, injury and 141 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: that's a bit troubling seeing like a foot injury than 142 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: an oblique, injury particularly with the timing of the oblique 143 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: injury facing like major leaguers and spring. Training that sounds 144 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: like a signal to me that he was kind of 145 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: like playing up in a, sense trying to do more 146 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: on the field than he physically, could kind of pulling 147 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: it back into this area where it seems like he 148 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: does need to physically develop more as an athlete to 149 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: be the type of player that you want as a 150 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: major league, regular and the type of player that you 151 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: want as like an impact major league, regular which is 152 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: totally still on his. Trajectory so it's understandable that The 153 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: Blue jays were willing to part with, him certainly given 154 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: their like a major league Injur field With, Bobashett Matt 155 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: carpenter and the newly Minted All Star Santiago, Espinal and 156 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: that's part of why The marlins were able to give 157 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: up just two relievers and a player to be named. Later, 158 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: Again i'm going to assume It's Chris, mokma and that 159 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: is a baseless, claim But i'm going to keep saying 160 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: it until proven. Otherwise it's just an unusual trade in 161 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: The marlins were able to like package major leaguers and 162 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: probably a minor leaguer for a quality prospect that has 163 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: shown real like draft, Pedigree so, OVERALL i don't think 164 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: we'll get any sort of like otherworldly performance From Jordan 165 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: grossen's as A. MARLIN i BUT i do think he 166 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: will be a Good major leaguer who fits well into 167 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: whatever future plans The marlins can cook up with his 168 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: versatility and probably the expectation that he will fall the, 169 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: third which might even help them put on some more 170 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: bulk and deliver more power to the. Ball, still, though 171 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: this like twenty twenty Two marlin season has been like 172 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a downbeat now as The moments have 173 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: lost nine straight games at, home so it's understandable that 174 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: this deadline kind of feels a bit. Underwhelming certain that 175 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: major changes were not, made But grossian's is some solid 176 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: depth for the left side of the, enfield and it's 177 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: easy to see The marlins being better in twenty twenty 178 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: three for his. Presence that's pretty much it for the 179 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: Small Pod. Today, Later marlin to be facing again with 180 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: The reds at six forty, Pm Mike minor Facing, sandy 181 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: and for what it is, worth The Toronto Blue jays 182 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: now have six Former marlins in their, bullpen With Anthony 183 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: bass And Zach, popp Joining Jimmy, Garcia Adam, Simber David 184 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: phelps And Trevor. Richards but thanks for listening to the 185 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: small Pod i've Been Andrew, Ordull i'll be back with 186 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: you On, friday