Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Always wear sunscreen outdoors? God
Speaker 1: do it. From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. I'll
Speaker 1: do that if I'm on like the golf course. Um,
Speaker 1: if I'm at the beach, but not everywhere I go,
Speaker 1: I'm not powder. I typically venture outside. Now you're you're
Speaker 1: a man who wears his tan if he was out
Speaker 1: doing some yard work. That, um, that drop is not true.
Speaker 1: It was not true of our our great friend Wes.
Speaker 1: He often would not put the sunscreen on his dome.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Daniel Jeremiah in later this week, went
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and yeah, famously west just burned the hell
Speaker 1: out of the top of game with Lakeisha Padre's Cardinals
Speaker 1: game a few years back. And yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: one thing. The guys that shave their heads or just
Speaker 1: bald um. You know sometimes you have the horseshoe bald guys.
Speaker 1: But you don't see that so much anymore by the
Speaker 1: way that human heads are evolving. Remember, used to you
Speaker 1: look older if you just it's like I'm banging them bald.
Speaker 1: And now they have this like math teacher a ring
Speaker 1: around which, by the way, if you're listening and you
Speaker 1: have that look, I'm not taking shots. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: you don't see it, grow up a little and just
Speaker 1: shave the road. You can get with the times. It's
Speaker 1: not a death sentence being bald. You shave it. And
Speaker 1: like West is a perfect example, nice shaped head. I
Speaker 1: thought he looked a lot better once he went. He
Speaker 1: was fully short and compared to the photos we saw
Speaker 1: when he was younger and losing it. What was up
Speaker 1: with um? Like friars, remember their haircuts. They've got a
Speaker 1: full head of hair and that shave the top of
Speaker 1: the head. I don't know what we're doing. There is
Speaker 1: a disgrace. Is it to make yourself less attractive? So
Speaker 1: you're not tempted if you're in that position, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's the history, it's pretty messed up,
Speaker 1: but it probably worked. The ladies are into friars. No,
Speaker 1: not typically all right, where are we? We are? We
Speaker 1: are not Tuesday, Tuesday? We're Tuesday. We are not at
Speaker 1: the Hotel UM, the builtmore in Phoenix, but that's where
Speaker 1: the NFL annual meetings are UM this week also known
Speaker 1: as the owners meetings, and you know the timing of
Speaker 1: the show. And I think I might have said last
Speaker 1: week that DJ was going to be on our Tuesday show.
Speaker 1: No be on the lookout tomorrow when we roll out
Speaker 1: a DJ special to today. We decided there was so much,
Speaker 1: so many little nugs, big and small that came out
Speaker 1: of the Monday owners meetings. Greggy, why don't we just
Speaker 1: dig through it and kind of cull through the sound
Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you, Greg, but I as
Speaker 1: the day went along on Monday into Tuesday, it struck
Speaker 1: me that it felt a little more newsy than the
Speaker 1: typical owners meetings. And we got the rules. Although the
Speaker 1: rules were less newsy, I feel like then you're a
Speaker 1: most playful. There are a number of issues sort of
Speaker 1: hanging around at this time of year that aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: that we're waiting for some big ones to drop, but
Speaker 1: a lot of little nuggets. So these were like my
Speaker 1: favorite sort of news days or its just but if
Speaker 1: you take away if you take away the dual quarterback
Speaker 1: narratives that have been hanging out right, the Lamar and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, if you removed all of that, then be normal.
Speaker 1: I would say, YEA even less than normal. I think,
Speaker 1: I think that's just like these dramas continue. There's little
Speaker 1: there's news each day, there's new developments each day. You
Speaker 1: got Lamar tweeting left and right, you got you know,
Speaker 1: dropping his tweets right before John Harbaugh talks. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was transition point right there. Yeah, let's get into
Speaker 1: all the news from Phoenix and beyond. Wow, the organization's
Speaker 1: worth that much? And you know I couldn't get free coffee,
Speaker 1: that is, of course. I mean, who else is gonna
Speaker 1: be but Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Dolphins, who
Speaker 1: was answering a question about the Washington football team who
Speaker 1: he was connected with at a point in his career,
Speaker 1: and I guess he didn't get free coffee when he
Speaker 1: was there. Read into that however you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just reading in the facts. Who doesn't get free
Speaker 1: coffee at work? An NFL team that's about to be
Speaker 1: sold for six billion dollars. It's happening, Washington fans. You
Speaker 1: only have to hang on for it. Sounds like maybe
Speaker 1: like even only a month more. There's reports of two
Speaker 1: different bids over six billion, which is what Snyder was
Speaker 1: looking for the long rain is almost over. Not just
Speaker 1: I know people were hoping it might happen this week,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like it's going to be this week.
Speaker 1: But but it really feels like this offseason. We'll circle
Speaker 1: back to Washington just a little bit later. But let's
Speaker 1: start where we have to start, which which is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: So the way this timed up was as the coaches
Speaker 1: settled in and you guys have been at the Great Mark,
Speaker 1: Paint a picture the owners meetings and specifically the coach's
Speaker 1: breakfast as it's known. Yeah, you have the AFC one
Speaker 1: day and the next day with the NFC or they'd
Speaker 1: flip up that, and you've got sixteen round tables with
Speaker 1: chairs around them so that each of the coaches can
Speaker 1: sit down for an hour, and a lot of them
Speaker 1: have come from about three or four hours of sleep
Speaker 1: after a late night of drinking. That's sort of what
Speaker 1: happens at these owners meetings too, and they're barraged by
Speaker 1: their local beat reporters and national reporters with questions of
Speaker 1: the day. In Harbaugh, you know, sat down literally at
Speaker 1: the moment like Lamar Jackson had just sent out this
Speaker 1: tweet that we'll get into about his whole situation. I
Speaker 1: think two minutes after Harbaugh said that, right and probably
Speaker 1: not a coincidence well planned. But here is the tweet
Speaker 1: that Lamars sends out just as John Harbaugh sits down
Speaker 1: in regards to my future plans, and they set up.
Speaker 1: I like it, give me some missive music. This feels
Speaker 1: miss to be great. Set. I wish he used a
Speaker 1: colon after plans though, but we won't talk him in
Speaker 1: regards to my future plans. As of March second, I
Speaker 1: requested a trade from the Ravens organization, for which the
Speaker 1: Ravens has not been interested in meeting my value. Any
Speaker 1: and everyone that has met me or been around me.
Speaker 1: I love the game of football and my dream is
Speaker 1: to help a team win the Super Bowl. There's an
Speaker 1: extra there's a little more to that. Okay, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you get the gist, yeah, Greggy. Then, of course Harball
Speaker 1: is asked about it. Do we have Harball sound? Here's
Speaker 1: what Harball had to say on the topic. We made
Speaker 1: a decision to go with Lamar Jackson five years or right?
Speaker 1: Why because we love him. We love him and we
Speaker 1: love the way he plays. We love his mindset, his charisma,
Speaker 1: his style. Either way he's in the locker room, everything
Speaker 1: about him. We love him. I love him personally. I
Speaker 1: love being the coach and the team that he's playing
Speaker 1: quarterback for. So that's what you do, you know, you
Speaker 1: build a team around on your players, and that's what
Speaker 1: I'm excited to do. Lamar is a great guy, and
Speaker 1: Lamar's doing a nice job with the negotiations, and I
Speaker 1: think that needs to be said. People need to understand
Speaker 1: he's doing a good job, okay, and Eric's doing a
Speaker 1: good job, and Eric's getting advice from Ozzi and from
Speaker 1: Steve and all those things are being discussed. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: involving in those conversations too, so I know where we're at.
Speaker 1: There really is no frustration other than the natural normal. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is how pro football works, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think you know, Lamar believes in us, and we believe
Speaker 1: in Lamar, and we know where we want to go forward.
Speaker 1: So it's a monetary thing that can be figured out.
Speaker 1: That can be worked out. That's just a matter of negotiating,
Speaker 1: and I think we just continue down that road and
Speaker 1: eventually it'll get it'll it'll work out. There's all you
Speaker 1: gonna being creative ways to figure that stuff out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my takeaway from Harbaugh the way he approached that was,
Speaker 1: even though Lamar's out here saying trade me, there still
Speaker 1: does seem a path forward between these two teams. It's
Speaker 1: still a financial situation. And quite frankly to me, Greg,
Speaker 1: the fact that no team has emerged and aggressively sought
Speaker 1: out Lamar is the best possible situation for Baltimore. Who
Speaker 1: I think do want to stay in business with the quarterback? Ultimately?
Speaker 1: Well they better. What else are they gonna do? They
Speaker 1: don't have anything they got snow Huntley who I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what they would do if if if he did
Speaker 1: end up leaving the team, they'd probably take a reset
Speaker 1: year and then attack the quarterback position, either this draft
Speaker 1: or the next first round pack. But John Harbaugh was
Speaker 1: close to losing his job when Lamar Jackson showed up
Speaker 1: and saved it. I believe John Harbaugh wants Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: to be there with every fiber of his being. It's
Speaker 1: not really up to him, and so I agree with
Speaker 1: with your takedown that he's trying to keep the lights on.
Speaker 1: But we're all in a hurry because we all cover
Speaker 1: this each and every week. But there's really nothing other
Speaker 1: than the draft coming up. That's a flash point here
Speaker 1: for Lamar, and maybe we should do However, flashpoint should
Speaker 1: almost lift the veil on something that's about happened. This
Speaker 1: is happening, but also to drive through the executive producers
Speaker 1: of the project, which is you and I. I also
Speaker 1: would have liked to hear the Flashpoint theme song there.
Speaker 1: He kind of missed you. I guess point in raising
Speaker 1: that with the with the Ravens zoh is at some
Speaker 1: point in the draft is kind of that point if
Speaker 1: we get past it and he's still on the team,
Speaker 1: the Ravens are truly, like truly need him more than
Speaker 1: they than he needs them. Now. He wants the contract,
Speaker 1: he wants everything that comes with it. But I think
Speaker 1: we've seen with Lamar Jackson, and I think they know
Speaker 1: this too that I actually think he would stand on
Speaker 1: principle and just not play. And they they are in
Speaker 1: a tough spot too. It's been almost talked about that
Speaker 1: it's like a money thing. They don't want to pay
Speaker 1: the money. They're not going to pay the money. Lamar's
Speaker 1: being stupid about the money, but they need him as
Speaker 1: a player, and so that I'm not really sure how
Speaker 1: that gets worked out here and we'll see if another
Speaker 1: team steps. I'm with you in the sense that there
Speaker 1: is a storyline here where we get to the summer
Speaker 1: and this is not figured out and Lamar Jackson does
Speaker 1: not play this season. I just think it. I don't
Speaker 1: think you tweet out everyone loses. Let's just be clear,
Speaker 1: everyone loses, including Lamar if that's how this plays out,
Speaker 1: a great athlete in his project. If a couple months ago,
Speaker 1: if we had said Lamar Jackson is going to be
Speaker 1: available in a trade, I think the common understood theory
Speaker 1: would be that a bunch of teams would come running.
Speaker 1: Haven't you have instead the opposite where it's like you
Speaker 1: have Jim Rsey, who the Cults have been the most
Speaker 1: logical landing spot right. Jim Rsey during these owners meetings
Speaker 1: said I am not interested in this guaranteed money. I'm
Speaker 1: interested in paying him and we can find a way
Speaker 1: to make a fair deal. But the guaranteed money is
Speaker 1: a real sticking point with these teams. They don't want
Speaker 1: to do it. And you know, it's funny because it's
Speaker 1: like Laramie Tunzel signed that contract a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and to me, he never had an agent, and I
Speaker 1: never really you didn't really even notice that. I'm noticing
Speaker 1: it with Lamar Jackson, the idea that he is operating
Speaker 1: agent free and that he shouldn't have had a deal
Speaker 1: a year ago, if not two years ago. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: has made sixty seven million dollars over the last two years,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson twenty five. But they were drafted in the
Speaker 1: same class, right, Well, Josh Allen made what twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars more off the top of it because he was drafted.
Speaker 1: That's fine, it's because he's got a second deal with
Speaker 1: an air of that story too, is that the Ravens
Speaker 1: were not giving Lamar Jackson anything close to Josh Allen's
Speaker 1: contract at the time, which now looks like a great
Speaker 1: deal for the Bills. But that was the whole reporting,
Speaker 1: was that they weren't offering anything close to the market
Speaker 1: deal at the time. I mean, I'm with you, it's
Speaker 1: all a mess. It might be different if he did
Speaker 1: have an agent, but I think at this point, like,
Speaker 1: but then he's also got this there. You know, this
Speaker 1: is the problem because you with this Ken Francis figure
Speaker 1: who emerges from the mist, who is contacting teams a
Speaker 1: week ago on behalf of Lamar Jackson, which is against
Speaker 1: league rules. And ultimately I know the problem, Like the
Speaker 1: league seems to not be doing too much about that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but that's the kind of thing to good,
Speaker 1: null and void the concept of a deal. Yeah, questioned too, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, teams are concerned about like the
Speaker 1: fact that Lamar Jackson's being contacted through others by other people,
Speaker 1: Like that's not how he's meant to act on his
Speaker 1: own behalf. He's the only person who should be talking
Speaker 1: to these teams. I guess my thing is just like
Speaker 1: everyone's in a hurry for all us, and like I'm
Speaker 1: more willing to like see what we're where we're at
Speaker 1: the after the draft, because they're reporting in terms of
Speaker 1: the cults that they're very open to it. Like to me,
Speaker 1: sounds like at some point they're gonna make an offer.
Speaker 1: I would think it's more likely than not to that point. Transition. So,
Speaker 1: since Lamar dropped that tweet, that became obviously a talking
Speaker 1: point and maybe would have been either way, but especially
Speaker 1: once Lamar puts himself in the news cycle in a
Speaker 1: pointed way like that. So Jim Ursay, the owner of
Speaker 1: the Colts. He was asked about Lamar, and of course
Speaker 1: when you talk about Lamar, it connects immediately to what
Speaker 1: is said to be Lamar's ultimate driving goal is to
Speaker 1: get a fully guaranteed deal, and Ursa had this to say,
Speaker 1: as an owner, I do not believe in fully guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1: I think that a percentage is one thing, but from
Speaker 1: what I've seen from the NBA and Baseball, I don't
Speaker 1: see it as a positive competitively. Now on him play something.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, who was asked about Lamar Jackson and whether Lamar,
Speaker 1: former MVP twenty six years old, was ever considered before
Speaker 1: they made the decision to move forward with Gino Smith,
Speaker 1: it was Lamar Jackson ever considered an option for you guys. No,
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine it would be available, and we couldn't
Speaker 1: afford him. Couldn't afford him. And then I'll just because
Speaker 1: it connects to the other big story. Joe Douglas GM
Speaker 1: of the Jets was asked about Lamar. Would he be
Speaker 1: a fallback player if the Aaron Rodgers negotiations dragged out
Speaker 1: to a point where the Jets felt like they needed
Speaker 1: to pivot yeah. Well, first of all, Lamar Jackson's a
Speaker 1: fantastic player. But where we stand is it would be
Speaker 1: disingenuous and operating negotiating a bad faith if we went
Speaker 1: down that path. So right now we have our plan,
Speaker 1: we have our process, and we're sticking to that. And finally,
Speaker 1: I'll read a quote from Jimmy Haslm, the owner of
Speaker 1: the Browns, because so much of this is the ground
Speaker 1: zero is what happened a year ago with the Shawn Watson.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslm, you always wonder, I wonder, like if the
Speaker 1: Browns could do it again, would they do it like
Speaker 1: right here, right before we even know if if Watson
Speaker 1: will ever be a player of that level again, would
Speaker 1: they go through it all again. Here's what Haslm said
Speaker 1: about that now infamous decision to give a fully guaranteed contract,
Speaker 1: as it continues to what was the what was the
Speaker 1: analogy I made that I was quite proud of myself.
Speaker 1: Do you remember there a few of those? But you
Speaker 1: couldn't You kind of have to narrow that down. I'll
Speaker 1: go when it will come to me, Jimmy Haslm, Every team,
Speaker 1: every business has to look and do what they think
Speaker 1: is in the best interest of their team. What did
Speaker 1: what we did, what we thought was in the best
Speaker 1: interest of our team. We still feel that way, So
Speaker 1: we're excited to if you will have that stuff behind
Speaker 1: this time last year. How many games is he gonna play?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna play? Is he not going to play?
Speaker 1: He's going to be there the whole season now and
Speaker 1: barring injury, heaven forbid, he's gonna play all seventeen games
Speaker 1: and hopefully more. That I think alone, that I think
Speaker 1: alone is a bigger leap to the organization, to Deshaun,
Speaker 1: to all of us, you know, and Haslam is very comfortable.
Speaker 1: I just feel like over his entire run in Cleveland
Speaker 1: playing something of a villain because at these owners meetings,
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in these rooms and they're discussing and
Speaker 1: talking about things that will never hear, it's like Haslam
Speaker 1: has created this problem for the Ravens. He's created this
Speaker 1: problem for the rest of the team. Is around the league,
Speaker 1: and I think other owners are trying to pivot and say,
Speaker 1: we're not following your lead. We're not. We don't. Jim
Speaker 1: Mersey is saying he does not feel comfortable with this
Speaker 1: kind of a deal. But I think it's also the
Speaker 1: environment that you don't feel comfortable with. Is thirty plus
Speaker 1: other owners saying don't do this. Well, it's clear Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's not getting a fully guaranteed contract, and that he's
Speaker 1: not even going to ask for a fully guaranteed I
Speaker 1: think he's looking for something. I think it's we think
Speaker 1: about Watson is the thing totally getting in the way,
Speaker 1: but Kyler too. I think he looks at Kyler as
Speaker 1: a player, uh, that he wants to top that contract,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like no one's you know, stepped up
Speaker 1: or the Ravens haven't stepped up to that point either
Speaker 1: has them? Would be insane, though, to redo that Watson
Speaker 1: deal right now, knowing what he knows. But they can't
Speaker 1: say though, and they can't even think that way now,
Speaker 1: And I'm sure in their minds they can't even think
Speaker 1: that way, at least vocalizing it like they have to
Speaker 1: be all in and just make it work, because you
Speaker 1: absolutely have to think that way. But it'd be insane
Speaker 1: to redo that deal knowing what we know now? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? X on Vald's spill eighty nine? Prince
Speaker 1: William sound Wait, is that's that's the Watson contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an oil spill where the ramifications and consequences continue.
Speaker 1: You were proud of the analogy because killer mispronounced that
Speaker 1: made it a double win, right, because here's your guns
Speaker 1: on Valdel. Well, I don't know if I stuck to
Speaker 1: my guns, but it would turn into a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about about the part of me thinks
Speaker 1: that you remembered what it was, but you didn't want
Speaker 1: me to remember because then it would bring up this again.
Speaker 1: I literally did just I did just bring it up,
Speaker 1: though he thinks you did that. I heard from some
Speaker 1: listeners who said that Valde's Valdez is one of those
Speaker 1: like tomato tomato, both pronunciations are acceptable and one is
Speaker 1: just more common. One's wrong. Well, have you kept that
Speaker 1: under your vest until now? Gondola gondola? Like? Which one
Speaker 1: is really right? You know? Doola is not? Even? That
Speaker 1: was another Sessler debated, Why does he wait till now
Speaker 1: to share that information? That controversy sound like say it
Speaker 1: however you want? Right grammars on fire right now? All right?
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to throw one out that you were,
Speaker 1: uh you found interesting or do you want me to
Speaker 1: just kind of roll through it. I could go either way. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's get the top level stuff for Do we
Speaker 1: have anything else on the Lamar situation. I feel we
Speaker 1: covered it pretty well. Okay, we will next show. Um,
Speaker 1: let's start with Goody, who we heard from and I
Speaker 1: think gave us more information than Frankly, I was expecting
Speaker 1: to get at the owner's meeting from the packers about
Speaker 1: the whole Rodgers trade talks or any scenario that you'd
Speaker 1: be comfortable making a trade without meeting a first round
Speaker 1: pick back. Yeah, I mean, I think you know, um,
Speaker 1: that's it's that's not a necessity. But at the same time, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the value of the players is he's a
Speaker 1: premiere player, you know, so I think getting premiere takes
Speaker 1: back for that is or players as important. Followed up
Speaker 1: that comment, I think it was noteworthy with some more
Speaker 1: reporting and the reporting got specific that it's like maybe
Speaker 1: it'll be a two this year, and it'll be a
Speaker 1: two next year, but it can move up to a
Speaker 1: first potentially depending on what the you know, how the
Speaker 1: Jets do, and they might be arguing over whether it's
Speaker 1: stats based or whether Rogers is still on the team,
Speaker 1: and It depends on referencing that Charles Robinson. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was shockingly specific in terms of what the terms, right.
Speaker 1: He was very specific. But you've also heard some of
Speaker 1: the insiders at our network speak to it in in
Speaker 1: similar tones but maybe not quite as specific, making me
Speaker 1: think they had similar information. Just like, this thing's so close,
Speaker 1: and I get while they're fighting over everything, and the
Speaker 1: players might be involved and that that matters, but no
Speaker 1: one's worried about it at all, which is why we
Speaker 1: we've been treating it as a non story, I think
Speaker 1: over the last week and a half because we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out. And I think now Dan, you kind of
Speaker 1: know what the terms roughly are gonna be, which is
Speaker 1: probably a couple picks that aren't first round picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they if they're saying that with some conditions, they're not.
Speaker 1: If he's publicly saying in Arizona, we're not necessarily looking
Speaker 1: for a first round pick. At this point, it's not
Speaker 1: going to be to me a situation where the heels
Speaker 1: are so dug in that something truly ugly happens, they
Speaker 1: should be able to nobody's worried. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: I mean the reason I think that the Jets also
Speaker 1: should dig in a little bit, and this tells you
Speaker 1: that you know they're getting into the nitty gritty. Is
Speaker 1: that there's no we're gonna do this again with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers next offseason. We don't know that he's going to
Speaker 1: play for two years, and so it needs to be
Speaker 1: an scentive based or I think part of it was
Speaker 1: like if they reached the AFC title game or hosted
Speaker 1: a divisional round playoff game, certain picks and stuff could
Speaker 1: change a little might want it to be does he
Speaker 1: play in twenty twenty four and absolutely Duty mentioned the
Speaker 1: players there, So it's sort of just something to put
Speaker 1: a pin in and we'll find out. But I think
Speaker 1: we learned about it and rap Sheet mentioned that this
Speaker 1: there is a world and it doesn't seem improbable at
Speaker 1: this point where yes, it's going to happen, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of money tied up into whether it's the
Speaker 1: post June first trade and how that all plays out,
Speaker 1: but this could go right up to draft week. It's
Speaker 1: sort of the feeling to some degree that it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be improbable for that to occur. And I wonder because
Speaker 1: being the general manager is such a front facing job,
Speaker 1: and there's so much interest in terms of what the
Speaker 1: packers are going to get from Rogers if Goody is
Speaker 1: kind of massaging the message a little bit and just
Speaker 1: letting the fan base know a little bit too, like
Speaker 1: they do not kill me when this trade comes through
Speaker 1: and it's not a first round pick. I've already dropped
Speaker 1: a breadcrumb to be ready for how this goes down.
Speaker 1: Hopefully soon, we'd like to move forward. How about you
Speaker 1: mark anything that uh somebody jumped something jumped out to
Speaker 1: you from I thought, um Robert Craft on a number
Speaker 1: of topics. Number one, he dropped the nugget that meek
Speaker 1: Mill had texted him saying that Lamar Jackson wanted to
Speaker 1: play for the Patriots. So there's that, and it's just
Speaker 1: like you're getting the full Robert Craft experience. But I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, man, Well, as as my daughter's fifth grade
Speaker 1: friend said to me, as like I sang along to
Speaker 1: some song on the way to a movie together, It's like,
Speaker 1: that's very cringe. You know, the Robert Craft is cringed.
Speaker 1: There's no way akers with the meek Mill references. He
Speaker 1: there's no way that it can't be. Wow, Greg, you've
Speaker 1: never had anything critical before to say about Bob, and
Speaker 1: I had a couple of things. In fact, I have
Speaker 1: many times in this show that I don't like it
Speaker 1: when the when the three guys were battling like that,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Belichick, Craft, and Brady the three pillars,
Speaker 1: and I get it, but like, that's not My Other
Speaker 1: side of this was I thought that he was a
Speaker 1: little just a little bit chilly on the future of
Speaker 1: Belichick because we know that Belichick is thirty wins away
Speaker 1: from chasing Don Shula's record, and do we have Robert
Speaker 1: Craft on that. Look, I'd like him to break Don
Speaker 1: Shula's record, but I'm not looking for any of our
Speaker 1: players to great get great stats. That isn't We're about
Speaker 1: winning and doing whatever we can to win, and that's
Speaker 1: what our focus is now. And I it's very important
Speaker 1: to me that we make the playoffs, and that's what
Speaker 1: I hope happens next year. And this married into a
Speaker 1: lot of flowery comments about Jared Mayo, who they love
Speaker 1: and who he talked about as someone he hoped might
Speaker 1: even be a head coach for the team down the
Speaker 1: road at some point. And then I thought the icing
Speaker 1: on the cake that sound like the playoffs are bust
Speaker 1: man a little bit. I think so. The icing on
Speaker 1: the cake was they asked about Matt Patricia and that
Speaker 1: whole uttered Bockle from a year ago, and listen to
Speaker 1: what he had to say here. I think he got
Speaker 1: put in a difficult position, and I think it was
Speaker 1: sort of an experiment and he worked very hard at it,
Speaker 1: and in retrospect, I don't think it was it the
Speaker 1: right thing, but and I feel bad for him because
Speaker 1: he's such a hard worker. He got put in a
Speaker 1: difficult position. That is by far greggy. And you've been
Speaker 1: following this team as closely as anyone the most public
Speaker 1: in terms of criticism Belichick has ever gotten from his
Speaker 1: head coach, right, I mean certainly since the Brady years started,
Speaker 1: And it really does feel like Craft is letting the
Speaker 1: public know that. Yeah, like Bill doesn't just get I
Speaker 1: mean the way to me Like that question the first
Speaker 1: question that got set up where it was like, what
Speaker 1: was it the Don Shula business? If it happens again
Speaker 1: a losing season, could Bill's jobbing je pretty? Or is
Speaker 1: he here to break Don Chulo's all time wins record?
Speaker 1: And beyond like the way to easily answer that question
Speaker 1: is like, what Bill Belichick is done for our organization.
Speaker 1: You can't put a price on it. You can't even
Speaker 1: begin to explain how important he's been for us, and
Speaker 1: we want Bill to be here for the rest of
Speaker 1: his career, Like, and you can just leave it there.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear that you don't have headlines. Instead, he
Speaker 1: made a pointed reference to say, like, listen, records are good,
Speaker 1: but that we don't just keep people around just to
Speaker 1: break records, and I want to be in the playoffs
Speaker 1: next year. This is a big subplot around this team there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it started at the beginning of the off season
Speaker 1: when they released the statements to explain how Drod Mayo
Speaker 1: is going to stay and they said what his new
Speaker 1: title is going to be. I think they might have
Speaker 1: even mentioned that he got to raise in the statement,
Speaker 1: and just like people covering the team were like, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: And that was clearly Robert Kraft saying I don't care
Speaker 1: how you normally do things that they don't have real
Speaker 1: titles and we don't announce it till four months later
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, like I'm announcing this now and
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, and it was felt
Speaker 1: like a bit of Kraft taking control back of the organization.
Speaker 1: He's eighty one years old, Robert Kraft too, I don't
Speaker 1: think he wants to stick around at seven and nine,
Speaker 1: at seven and ten, all that stuff. And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I think it might be a playoff or bust scenario
Speaker 1: Old BB one kind of funny. During the setup to
Speaker 1: that initial question, a reporter said, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: have posted a losing record in two of the last
Speaker 1: three seasons, and then Kraft interrupted the reporter and he goes,
Speaker 1: we were eight and nine last year. When was the
Speaker 1: And then the reporters like the Cam Newton year, and
Speaker 1: Kraft was like, oh, the Cam Newton Yeah to like
Speaker 1: like everyone else, Yeah, Kraft forgot that the Cam Newton
Speaker 1: year exists in Patriots history post Tom Brady. It was.
Speaker 1: It was the pandemic year. It was a tough time
Speaker 1: for everyone. Where did they go seventh? They went eight
Speaker 1: and nine that year too, I don't even that was
Speaker 1: seven and nine, seven and nine. Um, so yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought that was almost like the most fascinating thing
Speaker 1: that came out of though with you. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: and they and then they asked Bill Belichick, what what's
Speaker 1: the reason fans should be optimistic for what's ahead? What
Speaker 1: would you say to them to give them a reason
Speaker 1: to be optimistic for what's a hint for the Pats
Speaker 1: the last twenty five years? You really you gotta watch
Speaker 1: the YouTube show. He sits there kind of rocking in
Speaker 1: his chair, staring at the reporter and thinking what he's
Speaker 1: gonna say. And that question is coming from two feet
Speaker 1: away from Mike Reese, who knows just how to ask it,
Speaker 1: and who has been in Foxborough as long, maybe longer
Speaker 1: uninterrupted than Bill Belichick actually, and hearing Tom Curran, who
Speaker 1: asked another one of these key questions for Craving, hearing
Speaker 1: his interpretation of like Belichick's usually the like, we're not
Speaker 1: resting on past history, and we're certainly not worried about
Speaker 1: individual honors over the team and everything, and that Craft
Speaker 1: is really trying to say, like, look, this has been
Speaker 1: your rules for twenty years. I'm going to make you
Speaker 1: play by your rules. And Sauc's all right, we got
Speaker 1: a lot more to get to, but let's first take
Speaker 1: a quick break. All right, we're back mark something else
Speaker 1: that jumped out to you I guess you could go
Speaker 1: to the sort of split response on Brock Purty from
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, you would be interested in
Speaker 1: well just I mean, I think that you know, and
Speaker 1: they seem to always sort of be on the same
Speaker 1: page about things. But John Lynch was very optimistic about
Speaker 1: the concept of Brock Purty coming back in time for
Speaker 1: training camp. I leave the leader in the clubhouse at
Speaker 1: that you know, like Kyle will make those kind of decisions,
Speaker 1: But I know when we talk, I think Brox probably
Speaker 1: earned that right to be the guy. If we were
Speaker 1: to line up, he'd probably take that first snap. And
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about where trades with his progress from
Speaker 1: his injury. He's been working really hard, and you know,
Speaker 1: I love the opportunity to be with to bring and
Speaker 1: Sam Darnald and his skill set. We think it's a
Speaker 1: really good fit and so we liked that. We liked
Speaker 1: that room a lot. Forty nine Ers fan Girl courtesy there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and Shanahan talked about the fact that you
Speaker 1: know you're not going to have Purty until maybe even
Speaker 1: weeks into the season, and even mentioned that Trey Lance
Speaker 1: it parted. It is like, what is the future of
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. Is he tradeable? Is he actually having a chance?
Speaker 1: Lynch mentioned you know there's a chance he could start again,
Speaker 1: but Brock Purdy is in the flying the ointment here
Speaker 1: and Shanahan mentioned Trey Lance and Sam Darnold even competing
Speaker 1: for the starting job early on in the season. Now
Speaker 1: we believe Trey can be that. I think he would
Speaker 1: have done it last year if he stayed healthy. The
Speaker 1: good thing for him is with brock By and heard
Speaker 1: and stuff, he has an opportunity to try to regain
Speaker 1: that in everything. And that's also we brought in Sam
Speaker 1: because we can't be set for sure on Brock because
Speaker 1: you never know how the injury will go. We think
Speaker 1: it will go well and we're optimistic about it, but
Speaker 1: right now that's on hold. M I mean, Shanahan, it's
Speaker 1: an early morning. Wouldn't surprise me if he was one
Speaker 1: of those coaches that was out late. Feels like surprised
Speaker 1: me if he was. He's got a lot of friends
Speaker 1: there and it looks like it might have been. But
Speaker 1: but he's like, I'm gonna be on camera here, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put it together, my hair is gonna look good,
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna really know that I was the
Speaker 1: guy out there late last night. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's important. I would say there's some indication he was
Speaker 1: one of those guys. Some come in though, and they're
Speaker 1: just they put the hat on. They're sort of like
Speaker 1: grumbling their haggard. He's at least trying to put a
Speaker 1: good face on it, is what I said of Hair.
Speaker 1: How about by the way, Sam Darnold's starting for this team,
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. Well, they say, well, there's
Speaker 1: reports connecting party to like mid September. Maybe when they
Speaker 1: say that at this point in the off season, that's
Speaker 1: that's usually your last sign. That's a bad sign. But
Speaker 1: why are you so confident? Is it injury related for
Speaker 1: Trey Lancer? You just think he's gonna beat out Trey Lancer,
Speaker 1: don't I mean a leadership change. I just think they
Speaker 1: like Sam Darnold and the fact that Trey Lance is
Speaker 1: gonna split reps with him right off the bat. And
Speaker 1: I know Trey Lance is coming off an injury and
Speaker 1: that that's part of it too. And there's a little
Speaker 1: buzz of like, is Trey Lance ever gonna take snaps
Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers again, could this just be
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold and brock Purty this year? You can trade
Speaker 1: Tray Lance, right, That's what I mean, Like if it starts,
Speaker 1: look at I just I think they're excited about Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold and we'll see if they stay excited if they
Speaker 1: trade Trey Lance. I mean, I mean, his value is
Speaker 1: higher than Zach Wilson, who's taking a pick before him,
Speaker 1: I would think, But are they that much different in
Speaker 1: terms of if you put him on the market, what
Speaker 1: are you expect me to get back? You're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to to eat salary, right, and you're maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: mid round pick. Maybe you could talk someone into a three.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's shown enough in addition to
Speaker 1: the injury issues to have much trade right. And I
Speaker 1: mean I am pro brock Purty to the end of days,
Speaker 1: but I also would feel like, yes, that was a
Speaker 1: magical run, But do you not need to see a
Speaker 1: little bit more from him post injury before you moved
Speaker 1: Trey Lance and roll with Sam Darnold and brock Purty. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see. It's a big offseason for Lance, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: depending on how he looked in the preseason. If he
Speaker 1: played and looked good. You make a good point, he
Speaker 1: would not have amazing tradement. I think there'd be a
Speaker 1: different Zach Wilson you maybe get very little for and
Speaker 1: Trey Lance would be like a mid round pick. But
Speaker 1: that's pretty disappointing when you traded three first round picks
Speaker 1: to go get it right and you I'm a darnold
Speaker 1: vand obviously, but if I'm running the Niners like I
Speaker 1: am giving Trey Lance, yeah a chance like that way,
Speaker 1: I know I have this window here where I have
Speaker 1: Purty on the shelf, and now you could give Lance
Speaker 1: some run and really know for sure whether or not
Speaker 1: the guy that you were drafting is who you thought
Speaker 1: or hoped he was. Anyways, it's not controversial. Trey Lance
Speaker 1: actually said a couple a while back that Brock Purty
Speaker 1: deserved the starting job, which is a strange thing for
Speaker 1: him to say deserve. All right, anyway, um, Washington, I'll
Speaker 1: circle back real quick to Washington. Chase Young. They were
Speaker 1: asked about Chase Young, m who obviously was drafted, came
Speaker 1: into the league as a high first round pick, a
Speaker 1: potential generational talent on the edge. His fifth year option
Speaker 1: needs to be picked up and I thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting hearing this when we talk about what's going on
Speaker 1: with the sale and ownership and how that affects a
Speaker 1: team when you're trying to get ready for a new
Speaker 1: season and build toward the future. Here's what Ron Vera said.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that you've got to really
Speaker 1: think it through. You've got to be able to plan
Speaker 1: it out. And with the situation we're in right now,
Speaker 1: waiting on like everybody else to find out, you know, ownership,
Speaker 1: we you know, we got to kind of drag our
Speaker 1: feed a little bit until we get to that point
Speaker 1: and find out, you know, do we have to find
Speaker 1: out from whoever the new ownership To be honest, if
Speaker 1: there's a new owner, we have to go to them
Speaker 1: and find out, you know what I'm saying it So
Speaker 1: I don't know at this point. I mean when the
Speaker 1: head coach is saying things like we have to drag
Speaker 1: our feet feed a little bit, and we have to
Speaker 1: wait before a deal, and it's the sale of a
Speaker 1: it's like an upwards of ten billion dollars sale. These
Speaker 1: things don't happen overnight quickly. The whole organization and is
Speaker 1: in gridlock right now. It feels like six billion, right
Speaker 1: it ten billion was succession. They got ten from from
Speaker 1: the fake CNN. Yeah, to think of the name of
Speaker 1: by the way, the Conservative, which is interesting. Yeah, that's annoying.
Speaker 1: I think they paid too much. I think they paid
Speaker 1: too I do not care what the watching post says anyway,
Speaker 1: So that is interesting. It's crazy. And Rivera, yeah, they
Speaker 1: asked about this all happening, you know under his tenure.
Speaker 1: It's been kind of a wild tenure for Ron Rivera,
Speaker 1: and he just said, par for the course. You think
Speaker 1: it's like one of the first Like he's he's he
Speaker 1: was a good hire for a team in chaos because
Speaker 1: he's Ron Rivera, because he's handled all this so well. Um,
Speaker 1: this sounds like frustration because it's it's his family. It's
Speaker 1: all these other people's families around the building where none
Speaker 1: of them know if they're going to be employeed a
Speaker 1: year from now, and they've if of any team in
Speaker 1: the league, they've been let down by their ownership. He
Speaker 1: also um came out publicly and was quoted saying on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we do not have this sound, but I do have
Speaker 1: the quote that quote. I'm a big bang theory guy.
Speaker 1: I'm a big big bang theory guy. I'm like the
Speaker 1: show I'm in. I'm in bang theories too, in terms
Speaker 1: of like when we're discussing people being on the short
Speaker 1: end of things. But big big bang theory guy. You
Speaker 1: don't know how to say it. It's like rebounds funny. Um. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the context was for that, but
Speaker 1: for us, I thought it was interesting that on the
Speaker 1: same day that Sean Payton and George Payton not related,
Speaker 1: not spelled the same, but working together. Uh. Annoying for
Speaker 1: both men. Yeah, spoke about Jerry Judy and in Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton and Sean Payton said we are not trading them,
Speaker 1: and uh, George Peyton said we're not interested in trading them.
Speaker 1: And on the very same day there was reporting from
Speaker 1: Denver media that it was like, well unless they get
Speaker 1: like a better offer. Here's Peyton's exact words. I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty common every offseason, Um, new coach, not a
Speaker 1: real deep receiver draft. Um, look, I've been you read
Speaker 1: a bunch of these things that are that are written
Speaker 1: now and and uh, I would say a number of
Speaker 1: teams of callers. But I said it yesterday that it's
Speaker 1: not something we're interested in doing. It's one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful hotels I've ever stayed at in my life,
Speaker 1: maybe the nicest I've ever been in UM And it
Speaker 1: has pools and various areas, huge open green sun sunning areas.
Speaker 1: I believe there's a golf course. There is bars here,
Speaker 1: there and everywhere. In other words, it's a wonderful place
Speaker 1: to spend a night before the coach's breakfast. We Um,
Speaker 1: Greg and I were there one year and we saw
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and uh Linda holiday Um returning from a
Speaker 1: heated one on one tennis battle with each other. Is
Speaker 1: that where we saw Anderson Cooper as well, Gregg, Yes,
Speaker 1: Panton a run we've we've milked, Uh, I mean, the
Speaker 1: expenses that we in Kurd were so worth it for
Speaker 1: NFL media, just for how many times we've gotten to
Speaker 1: use this story. Anyway, I just find it funny that
Speaker 1: the way Peyton gets around, I mean, it's essentially lying
Speaker 1: if it was any other business. But he's like I've read,
Speaker 1: I've read those things, like we know where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: Literally the same person, uh, that you know is quoting
Speaker 1: Peyton and asking these questions. Mike Cliffs from UM nine
Speaker 1: News in Denver said from a source that, Uh, the
Speaker 1: Broncos wouldn't deal unless it was a second rounder for
Speaker 1: Sutton or a first for Judy. So there's a very
Speaker 1: specific price. They're not getting that price at this point.
Speaker 1: They've got to kind of put the tooth based back
Speaker 1: into the two. But at some point, I don't know
Speaker 1: I'd give up a second the only they know he
Speaker 1: gets a lot of money, so's it's a lot if
Speaker 1: you're if you're Sean Payton though, and you've got to
Speaker 1: try to fix what happened last year on offense, like
Speaker 1: stripping away wide receivers. He did mention it's not a
Speaker 1: great draft. They don't have any draft picks, Like there
Speaker 1: is a world where it's like stick with these guys
Speaker 1: versus emptying the cupboard entirely. Yeah, just that report just
Speaker 1: gave me an idea. There's a very specific price for
Speaker 1: those guys. Don't know if they'll get it. A first
Speaker 1: for Judy seems unlikely, second for SUI, first for Jerry Judy,
Speaker 1: Hell no, probably not. I do like Jerry Judy. Um
Speaker 1: any other sound guys, any other I have one other
Speaker 1: bit of news that came out of Arizona. I mean
Speaker 1: we moved to We've got the proposals, That's what I
Speaker 1: was talking. Let's talk about that, all right, Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the NFL owners vote in favor of letting players
Speaker 1: wear numbers zero. I love this. The league voted tuesday
Speaker 1: to allow all players other this sucks for the big
Speaker 1: men though, Yeah, other than offensive and defensive linemen to
Speaker 1: wear the jersey number zero is I always like who submit?
Speaker 1: Did the proposal to the Eagles submitted it? It also
Speaker 1: allows kickers and punters to use any jersey numeral between
Speaker 1: zero and forty nine and ninety to ninety nine. That
Speaker 1: bothers me a little bit. Do you want your place
Speaker 1: kicker out there at number ninety three? Maybe? Is he
Speaker 1: making maybe kick? I don't know. I kind of like it,
Speaker 1: like I'm making the kick. I'm a little surprised, Um
Speaker 1: that this playful little rule just swept right through. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm really happy that it did. I feel for these
Speaker 1: the bmth though, that they have to have the offensive
Speaker 1: and defensive lines. What the bohemoths behemoth. Calvin Ridley, by
Speaker 1: the way, tweeted um excited to be the first Jaguars
Speaker 1: player to wear zero shout out to JAG's equip Wow,
Speaker 1: the equipment guys have on Twitter hand, we did learn
Speaker 1: like this. This was as low octane of rules changes.
Speaker 1: I feel like we number zero over no. I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was honestly the most interesting thing that actually passed.
Speaker 1: The other things that passed were quite minor, making tripling
Speaker 1: penalty a personal foul. They were like tweaking what the
Speaker 1: definition of launch means. You can't benefit from the extension
Speaker 1: of the first half as a result of a penalty. Basically,
Speaker 1: you can't intentionally commit a penalty on the at the
Speaker 1: end of the first half, which I did think happened
Speaker 1: once last year, and then get to run another play.
Speaker 1: But the interesting things didn't happen. One more that did
Speaker 1: happen because I think it is it will come into play,
Speaker 1: it will be interesting. The NFL also voted to expanding
Speaker 1: scene replay to allow for a review on failed fourth
Speaker 1: down attempts. So typically approve of that, that's automatic review.
Speaker 1: Then on a failed fourth down attempt. It usually is
Speaker 1: for scoring plays and turnovers, and I guess a fourth
Speaker 1: down attempt at fails is a kind of a turnover,
Speaker 1: so it is logic to it. That's good I don't
Speaker 1: know where that one came from, submitted by the Texans.
Speaker 1: They did not approve the punt the punt touchback, which
Speaker 1: I like that idea. They were going to make a
Speaker 1: punt if you hit the ball into the end zone
Speaker 1: or the punting goes back to the twenty five. That
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Uh, they didn't. They tabled once again the
Speaker 1: rule where you'd try the fourth and twenty. Yes, the
Speaker 1: outside kicks. They keep tabling it though they want to
Speaker 1: talk about it again. I like that, But they rejected
Speaker 1: making uh personal foul penalty in terms of hitting the
Speaker 1: quarterback reviewable, which I really thought might happen, and they
Speaker 1: didn't even get close. And that's the to me, the
Speaker 1: whole things of failure until they finally let common sense prevail,
Speaker 1: that is going to continue. Not just the quarterback. I
Speaker 1: also think for any type of targeting type foul on
Speaker 1: these vicious hits that are happening in a game that
Speaker 1: is moving so fast, that can swing a contest in
Speaker 1: terms of it could be it could be a fourth
Speaker 1: and twenty and there's a hit over the middle or
Speaker 1: a quarterback it's taken down and they get it should
Speaker 1: be a turnover, and instead it's not only not even
Speaker 1: not only just the first down of ten yard gain
Speaker 1: for the offense. If it's a play that could be
Speaker 1: that consequential, take a look. It doesn't happen all that
Speaker 1: often where it should. Really just I think maybe the
Speaker 1: piece of play is something that they they have an
Speaker 1: eye on that they're trying to protect as well, and
Speaker 1: that could be coming into play, but I think it's
Speaker 1: too important to ignore it. Yeah, I mean, if anything,
Speaker 1: over the last number of years, they've been reactive to
Speaker 1: rule changes that you know, blow up playoff playoff games
Speaker 1: become talking points on Twitter and eruughing. The passer thing
Speaker 1: to me fell right into that territory, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a lost opportunity. The Lions had some great ideas.
Speaker 1: You said, you like seeing who who proposes that the
Speaker 1: Lions were money. They wanted to get more opportunities to
Speaker 1: get another challenge. Basically, if you keep getting your challenges right,
Speaker 1: you get a third. They rejected that, you know, that's lame,
Speaker 1: and then they also wanted to be able to challenge
Speaker 1: personal fouls that like you, yeah, it's similar to the
Speaker 1: quarterback one, but basically any personal foul that you could
Speaker 1: be able to challenge that since such a big penalty,
Speaker 1: and they ended up taking that away. They withdrew it
Speaker 1: because he knew it wasn't going to pass, holding down
Speaker 1: our lines, just like you two suppressors are doing. Don't
Speaker 1: put me in the anti Lions camp. At first, when
Speaker 1: we were at this season and Jamal Williams was there,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, yeah, we're gonna run it back.
Speaker 1: We were talking about running it back that night, you know,
Speaker 1: and the Packers night and then falling high that moment.
Speaker 1: What world do you live in? It's a beautiful one, Sonny.
Speaker 1: I should mention as well. Not connected to the owners meetings,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks reached a one year, seven million dollar deal
Speaker 1: to bring back Bobby Wagner, coming off a All Pro
Speaker 1: season with the Rams. Uh, this is I love it.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves it. He'd like to see the homegrown guys
Speaker 1: that had long careers um stay there the whole time.
Speaker 1: He went to LA In a weird scenario, it's like
Speaker 1: it's John Lennon year when he broke up with Yoko
Speaker 1: and just exactly and I think he was second team
Speaker 1: All Pro but didn't seem to have a huge arget.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's a little bit something where you squint,
Speaker 1: like how good was he last year and now he's
Speaker 1: a year older. But if you're a Seattle Seahawks fan,
Speaker 1: you're loving it. One year seven million turned into like
Speaker 1: the kind of mic contract for like really good but
Speaker 1: aging players, especially linebackers. Lavanti David got the same thing.
Speaker 1: Although there's been some reports questioning how like if this
Speaker 1: was an up to seven million or guaranteed seven million,
Speaker 1: like Seahawks fans were complaining way too much about this.
Speaker 1: Just be happy you got Bobby Wagner back. Come on,
Speaker 1: I like this little nugget. Remember we talked about the
Speaker 1: report cards for all these teams and how the Cardinals
Speaker 1: were absolutely flamed by their own players for everything from
Speaker 1: the caneteria, the uneven floors and just a hot mess.
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Gannon has been working very closely with Michael Bidwell,
Speaker 1: the owner, to work on some of that stuff. And
Speaker 1: he said he's never even read the report card. But
Speaker 1: he's like, we're doing things differently. He's never read the
Speaker 1: report card. That's what he said. It's not reactive off
Speaker 1: the report card. He doesn't care about it. But it's no,
Speaker 1: he wasn't there, so I guess that's not as obnoxious.
Speaker 1: Wait for a second, I thought you meant Bidwell. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think Bidwell, if anything, was getting credit from Gannon
Speaker 1: for proactively wanting to work on things. So that's a
Speaker 1: pro for um. You know, you're sure. I don't they
Speaker 1: pay for coffee in that building, But it sounded like it.
Speaker 1: One little thing that they was kind of did bubble
Speaker 1: up was the Herbert contract talks have started. It's like,
Speaker 1: I do like it when they're like just one day
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow or justin Herbert hopefully just like sign a
Speaker 1: big contract and it's not this like long running story.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be nice? Um? I have my doubts when
Speaker 1: it comes to Burrow just because it's the Bengals, But
Speaker 1: prove me wrong, Bengals. It Isn't it is interesting not
Speaker 1: to endlessly go in the cycle of talking about the
Speaker 1: Lamar contract. If if Herbert or Burrow, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if some of this is tied into everyone waiting to
Speaker 1: see how the Lamar saga unfolds. If those guys don't
Speaker 1: get fully guaranteed contracts, like but that that ship of sale,
Speaker 1: no one thinks he has a chance to get a
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed track Lamar at this point. Yeah, but publicly, well,
Speaker 1: I would assume they won't either, but I would assume
Speaker 1: they'll get more guaranteed money than Kyler Murray got. Feels
Speaker 1: like the Lamar should be going to a little starting point.
Speaker 1: Lamar should be going to the Falcons, but the team
Speaker 1: decided that Desmond Ritter and Tyler Haneke are there. Guys,
Speaker 1: and Arthur Smith said Tuesday that the second year pro
Speaker 1: Ritter will begin the season as the team's starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: The plan is to start Desmond. That's our plan going
Speaker 1: forward from the owner. I'm really looking forward to at
Speaker 1: some point this offseason, I gotta just watch you. We
Speaker 1: gotta all just watch all the Desmond Ridder throws, I
Speaker 1: promise you, and then I must like I'm going crazy
Speaker 1: and now, and then we'll come in with some fiery
Speaker 1: hot takes. It's going to be an exciting week. It
Speaker 1: would maybe just make it Desmond Ridder Week. His last
Speaker 1: two games, he did improve, but it's this is very disturbing.
Speaker 1: An ominous headline from ESPN Seahawks's Pete Carol quashes talk
Speaker 1: of Jamal Adams's demise. It seems pretty heavy, fiery headlines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just like job security. He does seem there were
Speaker 1: a couple of little receiver moves that could matter. DJ
Speaker 1: Chark got five million dollars from the Panthers. I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point he has a chance at least to
Speaker 1: be their number one receiver, so at least it's worth
Speaker 1: noting or number two he's gonna play. Nelson Agilar is
Speaker 1: a member of the Baltimore Ravens, so they are come
Speaker 1: on back, Lamar, Why did the Ravens specialize in signing
Speaker 1: underwhelming wide receivers? Actually, think think that's a good contract,
Speaker 1: one for three and a half for Nelson Aglar. Who's
Speaker 1: you know, he's got some juice left here. I mean
Speaker 1: everyone that was with the Patriots you almost can throw
Speaker 1: out that year. I mean, I'd rather have him than
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker, who who the Patriots are paying like six
Speaker 1: million dollars to say anything else. Taylor rapped to the
Speaker 1: Bills were really bang stopped talking? Greg think it should recovered?
Speaker 1: All right, good, I think we've covered it. Let's get
Speaker 1: this um, Let's get this bad boy out to the
Speaker 1: public again. A reminder that Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network
Speaker 1: Draft Guru they call him, at least that's what the
Speaker 1: teenagers call him. He'll be on this show tomorrow in
Speaker 1: a draft special for around the NFL, so it'll be
Speaker 1: there for that, and then we'll have another show later
Speaker 1: this week with the Great Collie and Wolf because we're
Speaker 1: getting her every week. Are you noticing that that's a
Speaker 1: great trend. The summer of Connie has been compromised. Let's go.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. We compromise summers, all right, until
Speaker 1: we meet again. Heat the Call