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Speaker 1: running around the Bears organization. Imagine being Dan Campbell and

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Speaker 1: Brad Holmes, who probably have slept a total of ten

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Speaker 1: hours in the last three games. Jared Goff, with the

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Speaker 1: little concussion he's got, has probably been in shambles. I

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Speaker 1: saw Saint Brown in his podcast. You could tell he

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Speaker 1: was pissed. Ben Johnson looks like you just hit the

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Speaker 1: fucking lottery. It's just, you know, sometimes these coaches can

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Speaker 1: be really hypocritical when they preach, like the Bosham Bleckler,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leak stories that are gonna make it uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: for them, which is fine his business, right, But at

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Speaker 1: least us in non like sports stuff, we could just

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Speaker 1: be cutthroat, like this is what it's gonna cost if

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Speaker 1: you want to do business. If not, see you later,

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Speaker 1: nice meeting, a nice newing Businesswell, it's just very black

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Speaker 1: very political. And he says, come in the press like,

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Speaker 1: where you want to be as long as I'll pay you,

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Speaker 1: you know, So just just embrace it. You're no different

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Speaker 1: not practicing toil, like it's essentially your version of doing that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Ben Johnson like, and I listen, I never

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear that when Black Monday happened

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Speaker 1: and that week in Mike McCarthy didn't get quote unquote fired,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones thought he could take advantage of the situation.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones thought he had him by the bass, thought

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Speaker 1: he had had him bent over the desk. And then

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Speaker 1: Mike looked around at some of these jobs and thought, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll go get the bear's job I'll go get the

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Speaker 1: Jets job. I'll get hired as a head coach. So

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Speaker 1: I my educated guess on this situation is Jerry thought

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Speaker 1: he'd get him back for like, I'll give you like

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Speaker 1: a two year extension, Like he said, oh guard, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you two years eighteen million dollars come back.

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Speaker 1: And he thought Mike would just say yes because he

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Speaker 1: thought he wouldn't have any options. Then Mike looks around

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Speaker 1: and goes, I'm gonna keep kick kissing this old man's ass.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna take advantage of me. Why don't I just

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Speaker 1: go get another job that gives me four or five

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Speaker 1: years guaranteed. And so Mike kind of called Jerry's bluff.

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Speaker 1: He said no, and I think Jerry was shocked. I

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Speaker 1: think Jerry assumed because if Jerry didn't, why wouldn't Jerry

516
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: have just fired him on Monday? It made no sense.

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00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: The Cowboys had known for weeks their season was over.

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00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: They had known since last year Mike McCarthy's contract was up.

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00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Jerry thought he could take advantage of the situation. Jerry

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Speaker 1: thought he could win the deal, and then Mike said,

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Speaker 1: kick rocks. Now it looks like Mike potentially's gonna get

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Speaker 1: shut out of this. Maybe he takes the saint's job.

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Speaker 1: But even if he takes a saint's job, I think

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Speaker 1: what he would say is, yeah, it's a worse job

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Speaker 1: than the Cowboys, but they just gave me, you know,

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Speaker 1: four years, forty million dollars. Jerry's offering me a two

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Speaker 1: year contract when I know that he'll gladly fire me

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Speaker 1: after the next season, So I said, screw you. So

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Speaker 1: maybe Mike will be proven right when this is all

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Speaker 1: said and done. But I think Jerry kind of screwed

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Speaker 1: up here, and I think he misplayed his hand. And

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Speaker 1: now when I read headlines that he's interviewing Brian Schodenheimer,

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Speaker 1: in what world does it make sense to fire let

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy walk and hire his number two? I can't

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Speaker 1: even fathom that a guy that's never been a head coach.

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Speaker 1: And this completely shows you that Jerry, one of the

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Speaker 1: great deal makers in the history of the league. Mina

538
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: lost his fastball and ages catching up to him, And

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Speaker 1: I don't care. It happens to us all at different

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Speaker 1: points in time in our life. This is his version,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's kind of going through it. I

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Speaker 1: think he's kind of turned in dal Davis here of

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight, and he's kind of lost control of even

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Speaker 1: elements that he used to have control over. And listen,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's always going to be in control until he dies.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be the GM. Obviously he's the owner, but

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Speaker 1: it's like everything runs through him, and as long as

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Speaker 1: he still has his marbles upstairs, he can pull that off.

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Speaker 1: But I think he used to be a little slider

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Speaker 1: and have a Now he's always been probably more loyal

552
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: than some of these owners in the league to his people.

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00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: He definitely was to Jason Garrett, and I think he

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Speaker 1: thought of trying to be somewhat to Mike McCarthy. But

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Speaker 1: I think this situation, he's just upstream without a paddle,

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Speaker 1: and he's just kind of floating, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: he knows what to do. I think when this situation

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00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: broke down with Mike McCarthy, he did not have a

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Speaker 1: game plan, because I think his game plan all along

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Speaker 1: a long was to take advantage of Mike McCarthy, who knows,

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Speaker 1: maybe get him for like two years, fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: basically just extend the current contract that he was on.

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Speaker 1: And he just thought Mike, because he's coaching the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the biggest jobs and all the

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Speaker 1: sports would be like, yeah, I'll just I'll keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: Family likes living here, no state income tax, if we're healthy,

567
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: we should have a competitive team. I'll stay and Mike's

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00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Mike essentially said no. Now, Jerry's never gonna let it

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Speaker 1: out that Jerry acts like he's the one that said no.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, just start putting the pieces of the

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Speaker 1: puzzle together. I think it's pretty easy to add this

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Speaker 1: thing up and go. Jerry was playing poker, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not a big poker guy, more of a blackjack guy.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he got aggressive. Let's use the blackjack analogy,

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Speaker 1: and he hit. You know, when the guy was showing

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Speaker 1: a four and you had a thirteen. You're like, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get aggressive here because he's had some He's had

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Speaker 1: some four or five card twenties and twenty one, so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit on this even though the numbers shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: And I get a and I get a king and

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Speaker 1: I bust like that, That's what it feels like. A

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00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: little bit here. He got aggressive and it busted right

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Speaker 1: in his face. No pun intended, obviously. Well maybe I

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Speaker 1: mean will tell of Jerry's pictures back in the day

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00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: with some young ladies. But man, I just think the Cowboys,

586
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: if you're a fan, huge win right now, Eagles feel

587
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: pretty stable. Their version of it is always a little chaotic. Obviously,

588
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: Washington like we know what we're doing, Like those two

589
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: teams got to be looking at the Cowboys. Like I

590
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: pray you hire Brian Schottenneimer, I really do. And listen,

591
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: everyone acts like Brian Schottenneimer is the village idiot because

592
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson situation. Every coach that ever worked for Russell

593
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Speaker 1: Wilson got fired, every single one hacket all the way

594
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Speaker 1: through the Seattle guys. So and reports came out that

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00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith and him couldn't stand each other. So let's

596
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: not act like Russell Wilson's Peyton Manning here. But I

597
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: remember Brian Schottenneimer took a lot of crap for his

598
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: situation with Russell Wilson that actually aged better. But to

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00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: make him your head coach, that seems that seems like insanity.

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Speaker 1: Like listen, I can think that Josh McDaniel, those things

601
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Speaker 1: a little weird and at craft creation. But like I'm

602
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: not arguing like it's a bad hire, Like, it's not

603
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: a crazy hire. Like, Yeah, he's worked with you know,

604
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: just in recent memory, he turned he made mac Jones functional.

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Speaker 1: So you take Drake May who has more talent in

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Speaker 1: I get it. Aaron Glenn spytech, those make sense. Kevin

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: O'Connell extension makes sense, right, Uh, it'll be fast. I

609
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Speaker 1: don't know what Detroit's gonna do. You know, Detroit's in

610
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Speaker 1: a weird spot. You lose your offensive coordinator, you lose

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Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator. Ideally, you just want to keep doing

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Speaker 1: the same things. Do they have another guy that he

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00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: feels comfortable elevating, because remember when he fired Anthony Lynn

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00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: that first year, he made himself the offensive coordinator, I

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00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: think toward the end of the season, and then the

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Speaker 1: next year he just made Ben Johnson the coordinator who

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00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: was on his staff. So is there a guy on

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00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: his staff that can be the offensive coordinator? Is there

619
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: a guy on the staff that can be his defensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: They lost their D line coach today. Obviously they lost

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn. I don't know, but these are tough spots.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have a guy. Best case scenario, you

623
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Speaker 1: have a guy, you fire Anthony Lynn, you elevate Ben Johnson.

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00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: It works out sawd with the forty nine ers, Robert

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00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: slid got a job. They elevated Demiko Ryans. Well, then

626
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: Demiko Ryans gets a job. Ben Johnson gets a job.

627
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're looking around, You're like, I don't feel comfortable

628
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: making any of these guys the offensive coordinator. But I

629
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Speaker 1: don't want to bring a guy outside who doesn't quite

630
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: know what we do. So you get in this weird

631
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Speaker 1: spot now. Luckily for Dan Campbell, he's had a pretty

632
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: good idea. Both these guys are going to become head coaches.

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Speaker 1: I would say before the season even started, especially on offense,

634
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: like Ben Johnson, I would say last offseason it was

635
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: pretty clear this is going to be his last offseason

636
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: with the Lions. So a lot going on in the

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: football world. Man, This is it's crazy. You know, once

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00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,520
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00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,440
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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of football stuff happened, Like what

642
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: is dan Quinn, Sirianni and Andy and McDermott really saying

643
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. This stuff kind of fills that void during

644
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs on like Tuesday and Wednesday of just like

645
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: and then and then by Thursday and Friday, you're kind

646
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: of in like, Okay, what's the injury status of the

647
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: chiefs of the Bills of the Eagles. How was Jalen saying?

648
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: How Sirianni like Andy? You know, Andy and McDermott are

649
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: exactly like saying crazy things. So, yeah, it's an exciting

650
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: week and glad it happened in the middle of the

651
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: day Trent Balkey was fired. It's been a rough stretch

652
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: in society for career politicians, and I think Balky finally

653
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: got got because for a guy that you know, I

654
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: think when you meet him and you know the way

655
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: he came up, he was like this old school grinder

656
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: tape scout. There is no disputing his greatest quality working

657
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL has been his ability to get in

658
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: with own Jed York loved him when he got fired

659
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: from the forty nine ers before he got hired with

660
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: the Jacks, he worked for the League office, so he

661
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: was in with Rodging Company, and then when he got

662
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: hired with Shad Khan. He has been in control with

663
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: several coaches, and it looked like he was getting another.

664
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: So to think this guy who again, I have nothing

665
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: against him over not that I'm friends with him or anything,

666
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: but in my interactions over the years, he's been fine

667
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: to me. But he has a skill, and it is

668
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: an elite skill. I know, I'm not a great politician.

669
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me. It's hard for me to

670
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: fake things. And I think when most of us say

671
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: the word politician, we think a complete phony, a complete fraud.

672
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: They'll just say whatever they have to say. And in

673
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: any industry you work in, especially those of you in

674
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: bigger companies where you have a lot of different levels

675
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: of management, we've all been around him, right, that play

676
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: the game, that know what they're doing. And then there's

677
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: one thing to have that and be talented. It's actually

678
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: a really good skill to have when you're also good

679
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: at your job. But I think you we can question

680
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: whether Trent Balkey knows what he's doing. And he's had

681
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: hits and he's had a lot of misses, but one

682
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: thing he's great at. When shit hits the fan, it's

683
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: like he can't avoid it, and everyone else gets taken out.

684
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: And I think it's pretty clear, and by the time

685
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: you're listening there might be actual stories out about this

686
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: is for whatever reason, the cons I think, in a

687
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: perfect world just want to hire a GM, hire a coach,

688
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: run the team, and just make us competitive. We don't

689
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: want we just want to go to some games, make

690
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, Like we're not gonna tell you

691
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: what plays to run, what players to pick, just do

692
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: it please. And I think he was praying. Balkey was

693
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: like that and he could find another coach. And it's

694
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: pretty clear that Shad Khan, like all these guys are

695
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: saying no to him these and who's saying no to

696
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: him is not Ben Johnson, It's not Bill Belichick, right,

697
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: This is like coordinate that don't have other options. And

698
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: eventually you pick up the horn that used to be

699
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: a call to phone for those of us old enough

700
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: to remember that were plugged in to a wall at

701
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: your house where you have these things called house phones.

702
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Those don't really exist anymore. So you pick up your

703
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: cell phone, or you either call or you text the

704
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: coaching agents and you go, what's the deal? Can you

705
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: help me out? Help me, help you because those agents

706
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: want to be in with the owners. And there's no

707
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. He said, Listen, my client likes

708
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity you provide and would be interested in being

709
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: your head coach. But he would rather jump off the

710
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: Golden gate bridge than have to work with Trombalk. He's

711
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. Even these people that don't know him.

712
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: All they're gonna know is this guy's a politician, and

713
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the moment things go wrong, he will stick a knife

714
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: in your back and then slit your throat. So it's

715
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: like I'm not hitching my wagon, you know, Liam Cohen.

716
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: Reports are that he just re signed with Tampa Bay

717
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: for about four and a half five million dollars a year.

718
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: And I've said it forever. The NFL is Wall Street

719
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: on grass. There is not a better business to be

720
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: in right now to be coaching than the National Football

721
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: League and real college football. Mean, Chip Kelly's making two

722
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars. How many people and how

723
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: many industries of people listening to this? Do you know

724
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: that the guy that is not the head honcho who's

725
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: not at the top of the ORG chart. He doesn't

726
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: own anything. He has little to no responsibility in terms

727
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: of big decision making. He's not a decision maker. Now,

728
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: being a coordinator is a big deal, but there is

729
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: no decision making in terms of roster, in terms of

730
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: when guys get in trouble with terms of punishment. You

731
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with the owner a lot of

732
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: the times in terms of like on a daily basis

733
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: or a weekly basis, and you're making three four five

734
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: million dollars, it's an incredible gig to have. You know, listen,

735
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I understand being a head coach much more famous. You

736
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: get to make the decisions, you make more money. But

737
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: if you're telling me that the number twos, and there

738
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: are multiple number twos, like the DC and the OC

739
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: are getting paid between two and five million dollars and

740
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: don't have responsibility when shit hits the fan, think they're

741
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: not getting sued or anything. Uh, they have no, they

742
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: don't have to pay people. It's an incredible It's one

743
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: of the greatest gigs in the history of America. Currently.

744
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: To be an offensive or defensive coordinator in the NFL,

745
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: especially if you're good at it, pays a premium. But

746
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen returns like I would imagine he goes, well,

747
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: why wouldn't Liam Cohen want this job? Now? I think

748
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: you could also make the argument like, if you're Liam Cohen,

749
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: you know you're already in Florida. What's he gonna pay

750
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: a couple million dollars extra stay with Baker? I can

751
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: get a better job than that. But you know Balkey

752
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: he mentioned it during the final press conference too, when asked,

753
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: if you have a coach that does not want to

754
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: work with Trent, would you would you at least acknowledge

755
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: that you might have to do something here with Trent

756
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Balke and would you fire him? And I forget his

757
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: exact the way he phrased it, but he basically said, yeah.

758
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: It was a very awkward moment because Trent, who he's

759
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: always in great shape, you know, he looks good in

760
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: a polo or suit or whatever. He's sitting there right

761
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: next to Shad who's you know, at at his at

762
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: his home office, probably some mansion in Palm Beach, and uh,

763
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: it was like, what's gonna say? And then he ends

764
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: up getting fired? So wouldn't shock me at all. If

765
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Trent Balky's a GM for another team someday, I mean,

766
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: don't don't ever put it past a great politics. A

767
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: great elite politician is never dead, promise you. It's just

768
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: if you've been along alive long enough. Those fucking people

769
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: are leeches and this guy is great at it. Okay,

770
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: let's do a little thing we like to call the

771
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: middle Coff mail bag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram

772
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: fire into those d ms, get your questions answered here

773
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: on the show, I was wondering why NFL head coaches

774
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: are not paid more in relation to players. Aside from

775
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: the quarterback, it's most important role on the team. Yet

776
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: even elite head coaches don't make much more money than

777
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: mid level players, and since their pay isn't affected by

778
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: the salary cap, it just strikes me as ot I

779
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: tend to agree. You could argue that coaches and the

780
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: top gms are severely underpaid based on the industry they're in.

781
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Right they are. I think you could argue some position

782
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: coaches are somewhat overpaid. Right If I have a good

783
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: dB coach and he's making eight to fifty, could I

784
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: get the same thing for four hundred grand. But again,

785
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking, hundreds of thousands of dollars. If

786
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm let's use Kevin O'Connell as an example, and I've

787
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: been critical of them, but if they fired Kevin O'Connell yesterday,

788
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: in what world could they replace Kevin O'Connell with another

789
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell. It'd be higher than I'd say fifty sixty

790
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: seventy percent chance whoever they hired would not work. Right,

791
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: So he just gets a raise. Let's just pick a number,

792
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars he was making seven. Let's say doubled

793
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: his his income. I think schefter thought it'd be somewhere

794
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: between twelve to fourteen. So even if he's making twelve, well,

795
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson's making thirty his quarterback technically because Darnold and

796
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. But let's say his highest paid players making thirty,

797
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: you're telling me Kevin O'Connell's not work twenty. Look at

798
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, all, this guy's gonna change the league. They

799
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: draft him. He's terrible. I mean he's he has just

800
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: not a very good rookie year relative to the hype.

801
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: So you know, Andy Reid. What's Andy Reid worth to

802
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Let's say, let's just pick a number. They're

803
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: paying him eighteen million dollars right now. Well, if Mahomes

804
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: worth fifty, which obviously it's heart, it's impossible to replace

805
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Mahomes And like you said, no one has a problem

806
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: with the quarterback making more than the coach. Is there

807
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: If Clark Hunt had to pick this offseason, Travis Kelcey

808
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: or Andy Reid, what's he picking Andy Reid? There's not

809
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: a player. Chris Jones would be tough, but like I

810
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: could find another Chris Jones, I can't find another Andy Reid.

811
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Andy Reid should be making probably forty million dollars. What's

812
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: Sean mcvayworth. I mean, seriously, what is Sean mcvayworth through

813
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: the Rams? Now? It's listen. I remember when I lived

814
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. They were having this big U they were

815
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: really building up the baseball team and Cole Hamil's was

816
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: about to be a free agent. It's like, if he

817
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: hits free agency, he might make one hundred and seventy

818
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty million dollars and they put I

819
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: think I think the contract he signed when I first moved.

820
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: There was like one hundred and twenty five million dollars,

821
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: and I remember someone on the radio going, can you

822
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: imagine saying like, I'm gonna ride this out to get

823
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five million dollars? And then someone

824
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: puts one hundred and twenty million dollars in front of you.

825
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Not sign it? It's my

826
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: argument with perty. It's like, hey, Brock, here's three years,

827
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million dollars, one hundred guaranteed. This

828
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: is our contract. You don't have to sign it, but

829
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: you can also just we'll just play next year for

830
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: one million dollars. What's he gonna do? Why doesn't that

831
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: happen more in sports? Happens to us in business all

832
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: the time. Don't get it. Honestly, I don't understand why

833
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. I get with the Josh Allens, the

834
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows, the Patrick Mahomes, even the Justin Jefferson's and

835
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: the CD Lambs, but I don't think it happens with

836
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: the second and third tier players enough. It happens with

837
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: coaches and they usually like, hey, hey, Sean, here's a

838
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: five year contract. Fifteen million dollars a year. Reality is

839
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: Sean mcvay's worth double that? But what's he gonna do?

840
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: Not sign a seventy five million dollar contract? What was

841
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: Saban worth Alabama? They were paying them ten It's like, God,

842
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: Saban makes so much money. Saban was worth probably fifty

843
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: million dollars to them. Longtime Rams fan from Delaware was

844
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: at the Sunday game versus the Eagles. Hell of a

845
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: game once in a lifetime. It was awesome to watch

846
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: on television. Question number one offseason for the Rams. Do

847
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: you think the Rams will move on from Stafford or

848
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: will he retire? I think McVeigh is really smart and

849
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: he can see the league shifting into more mobile quarterback

850
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: time isn't on our side. Many people don't have him

851
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: even listed as a five to eight quarterback in the league.

852
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: I think McVeigh was pissed about the fumble in the

853
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: game and the final sack he took. The final sack.

854
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if your center is gonna get I mean

855
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: just destroys the wrong word. I mean, Jaylee just went right.

856
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: What's he gonna do? You know? I don't know. I'd

857
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: love to see McVeigh with a more mobile quarterback question

858
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: two not really a question. I hear all the hype

859
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: around Jaden and being the best rookie quarterback ever. Has

860
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: everyone forgot about Kurt Warner's rookie year forty one touchdowns?

861
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: Was Kurt Warner a rookie? You know? He Kurt Warner.

862
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: Let's just I just want to get this right here.

863
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. But Kurt Warner, when he

864
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen seventy one, so his first season

865
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: starting for the Rams was nineteen ninety nine, he would

866
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: have been like twenty eight years old. I mean, he

867
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: technically came out of Northern Iowa in nineteen ninety three,

868
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: so he was an undrafted free agent in nineteen ninety four,

869
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: so he played for the Packers. Then he obviously played

870
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: the Iowa Barnstormers. Like I that's that's not apples and apples.

871
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, But you can't be a

872
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old rookie just because it's your first

873
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: time starting in that situation. But I hear you. With

874
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: all these coaching interviews happening, I'm seeing parts and articles

875
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: that say so and so is also a candidate and

876
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: is compliant with the Rooney rule. How pathetic do you

877
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: think the minority feels going into these interviews? No, they

878
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: are potentially just being interviewed solely because this rule states

879
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: that they have to interview a minority. Can we just

880
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: go back to interviewing hiring candidates that are just qualified?

881
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: Why bring race into it? Curious to hear your thoughts. Well,

882
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: I think part of it is for a long time,

883
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the NFL disproportionately black, right, and the coaching staffs were

884
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: the same thing. And then the coaches, the head coaches

885
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: which pay way more, this goes back to decades, were

886
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: heavily white guys. This is my argument, Like everyone's making

887
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: so much money now, like no one in my experience

888
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: in football, I've never heard race come up. Like only

889
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: working in the media are people obsessed with it? When

890
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: you work in football. I had never heard it come

891
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: up when it came to coaching, when it came to players,

892
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: when it came to interacting. And I spent five years

893
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: every single day around players and coaches. Now to get

894
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: the shot at a head coach, obviously it helps to

895
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: become an offensive coordinator. That's why they've pushed, you know,

896
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: to give guys opportunities with you know, in those type roles,

897
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: especially quarterback coaches. But like the Jets hired Aaron Glenn

898
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: because Aaron Glenn was a good candidate, period, point blank,

899
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: end of story. Aaron Glenn could have been fucking purple.

900
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: He was a no brainer hire for them. You know.

901
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: It's it's always my issue with like the Pats want

902
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: to hire Mike Vrabel. It's like, why do I have to?

903
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Why do I can't remember who they brought in Byron Leftwich?

904
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: And now sometimes you're bringing them in for a head

905
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: coaching interview. Who turns down a head coaching interview? Plus

906
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: you get to know the owner, maybe he pushes you

907
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to the staff and you become the offensive coordinator, which

908
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: obviously didn't have Byron Leftwich. But I hear you. I

909
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: mean some of these interviews are complete champ. Are just

910
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: an absolute complete champ. Now, back in the day, I

911
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: think you would say Mike Tomlin on its surface was

912
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: a sham. Then he becomes a head coach and eighteen

913
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: years later he's probably made a hundred million dollars, So

914
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: I mean, he just ever know. But I'm with you.

915
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: I remember the Raiders got in trouble for hiring John

916
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: Gruden to me, the rule be, if you've won a

917
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, I don't have to follow any fucking rules.

918
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: I can hire whoever I want to hire, right, And

919
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: I just think these are the rules. I think the

920
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: NFL has been very hesitant, you know, changing that. Now

921
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: you just look at the way society's heavily changing all

922
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: the fortune five hundred companies just getting rid of all

923
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: the requirements. I don't think the NFL is gonna pivot here,

924
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: but you know, I think we saw the Eric b

925
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: Enemy thing become like a media talking point for years.

926
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: And I've never met the guy, but all my guys

927
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: in Kansas City really liked him. But you know, I

928
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: think there's for whatever reason, people were just hesitant to

929
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: hire him, not because he was black, like I'll promise

930
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: you that. Then he gets a job in Washington and

931
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: it does not go well. It's like, okay, it's the

932
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: Commander's team. Wasn't that good. Then he goes to UCLA

933
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: and he gets fired by the show Foster fired. Now

934
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: I know his agent puts out this was bullshit. He

935
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: was fired. I was told that reliably, and any big brothers,

936
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: you know he's a big brother. No, he was the

937
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, wouldn't listen and Deshaun Foster fired him? So

938
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: and listen that conversation is all we already died. But

939
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: like I just I have a hard time with the

940
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: When I know who I want to hire, I have

941
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: to interview other people. If you have certain requirements, you

942
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: could argue if you've been a head coach before, like

943
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: do I need to do the Rooney rule? If I

944
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: want to hire Pete Carroll? You mean a guy that's

945
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: been a coach at three different teams, won multiple national championships,

946
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: have been to multiple Super Bowls? With a Super Bowl championship,

947
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: Why couldn't I just hire Pete Carroll? Why do I

948
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: have to wait? But those are the rules. So I

949
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's going to change, no matter

950
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: how much society is heavily shifting. Uh. And I again,

951
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: I can't speak for owners. I've never owned NFL team.

952
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: I've never met anyone who gives a shit about like,

953
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: I just want to hire the best coach. And whether

954
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: that's a white guy, whether that's a black guy, are

955
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: you good cause I've seen you know. You can find

956
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: bad ones in every version. You can find great ones everywhere.

957
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with coaching, Like you can go

958
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: to Division two, you can go to Division one, you

959
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: go to the NFL, Like they're good and bad coaches.

960
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Just there are better coaches in Division two than some

961
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I'm talking about assistance and stuff.

962
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: But the other thing is, like so much now is

963
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: about who's your agent. Like is Marcus Freeman a good coach,

964
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: like because he's black or white. No, he's just a

965
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: good coach. Like he's just good. Played in college play

966
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: a little in the NFL. He's just natural with people.

967
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: You'll see it, right, Marcus Freeman just lost to Ryan Day.

968
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: I know this. If I had to hire one of

969
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: those two guys for the next five years to run

970
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: my program, I wouldn't even hesitate. I would hire Marcus Freeman.

971
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 1: Wouldn't even cross my mind. If I was an NFL team,

972
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman, I'd hire Tomorrow over Ryan Day. You're like

973
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: middle God, if you're just Ohio State hater. He won

974
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: the national championship. He's got a fucking twenty million dollar payroll,

975
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: and get anyone into school. Give me Marcus Freeman all

976
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: day long. God, I want a Notre dame to win

977
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: that game. A quick question for the mail bag coming

978
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: from a lifelong Cowboy fan, what the fuck are we doing?

979
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hell of a question, man, reaching out

980
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: for the mailbag. For your restaurant recommendations in the Scottsdale area.

981
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: My boyfriend and I are traveling there for the waste management.

982
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: There's our first trip together as a couple. WHOA, So

983
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm super stoked, big move. Yeah. We are from the

984
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: West Loop in Chicago and often venture out to nice dinners. Also,

985
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: this being my first time to Scottsdale Phoenix area. Curious

986
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: any fun date night options you and Maria enjoy doing.

987
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I've been tuning into Colin religiously. I would say that

988
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: weekend stuff. In terms of getting these reservations for my money,

989
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: Dominic's is the best steakhouse in North Scottsdale, and that's

990
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: where waste management is. And I don't know if you're

991
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: staying up you know on this end of Scottsdale. It's

992
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: on the basically the opposite end of Old Town Scottsdale,

993
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: which is closer to Tempe. Uh. But I would get

994
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: on those reservations immediately. You know. There are mastros, There's

995
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: one in North Scottsdale. There's a Mastros Ocean Club which

996
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: is close to TPC. I mean, these are awesome, nice

997
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: elite steakhouses. Date night. There is a really cool bar

998
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: behind the waste management at a hotel called The Princess.

999
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of outside. It's just it's just an excellent spot.

1000
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: And there is a restaurant in the Princess, which is

1001
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: a hotel that backs up to TPC Scottsdale, which is

1002
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: called La Hacienda. It's a Mexican restaurant, but it's kind

1003
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: of like an upscale Mexican restaurant. It's legit. So I

1004
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: would say Dominic's, Mastros Ocean Club, La Hacienda, Preston Steakhouse.

1005
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: It's not too far away from me. It's not bad,

1006
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: not bad. If you're in old town. The Mission is

1007
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: just an awesome spot. It's kind of like it's Mexican

1008
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: food but great. Margarito's just just cool. Jam I went.

1009
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean one of my favorite restaurants in that place

1010
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: kind of got famous when the dude Biz from Barstool

1011
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: got in a fight with those Irish gypsies and he

1012
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: fought like ten of them. Houston's I used to live

1013
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: right next to it. I went there all the time.

1014
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: That place is bomb norcou guy. I'm nineteen and started

1015
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: listening in twenty twenty three when I needed my dad

1016
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: to respect my football knowledge. I feel like Jaden Daniels

1017
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: is the truth. And according to Google, he's six foot four,

1018
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: two hundred and ten pounds. I think if he doesn't

1019
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: fill out his frame more, these defenses are gonna figure

1020
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: him out as more film rolls in, and he's gonna

1021
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: start talking making some big hits. Right now, when you're young,

1022
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: in certain frames, like it's hard to put on weight,

1023
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: like it is going to be a difficult proposition for

1024
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: Jaden to ever be built like he's Cam Newton, you know,

1025
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: like your frame's kind of your frame. Lamar Jackson is

1026
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: never going to be some jacked up thick guy right

1027
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: when you look at you know, Mahomes or Josh Allen

1028
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: or just a little thicker. Now they're also I guess

1029
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: they're similar age to Lamar, but like your body type

1030
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: is kind of your body type, Like DeVante Smith is

1031
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: never going to weigh two hundred ten pounds, He's always

1032
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: going to be in one to seventy five, right, So

1033
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: Jaden can get a little thicker, more muscle, but his

1034
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: frame is frame like it kind of is what it

1035
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: is to me. Where he's got to get smart and

1036
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: Lamar is elite at this is if you're not going

1037
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: to be a slider, you got to do the PLoP

1038
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: and Lamar just does these like little plops when he

1039
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: gets near your kind of chaos. Jaden's got a little.

1040
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: When I was in Philly, Michael Vick was righted Now.

1041
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: It was awesome to watch because he was tough and

1042
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: he was just he was fearless. But when you're getting

1043
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: hurt a lot, it become fearless, becomes reckless. And Jaden

1044
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: has to be very very careful diving and jumping. But like,

1045
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna be body type is

1046
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: kind of his body type because he's not This is

1047
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: not a twenty year old guy. I mean, this guy's

1048
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: been in college for like six years. And I think

1049
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: they feed you pretty well at LSU. Why isn't McCarthy

1050
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: getting more interviews. All he does is to win. And

1051
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: if the Saints hired him, they would have the best

1052
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: coach in the division. And if the Jaguars hired him,

1053
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: it would almost guarantee to save Trevor Lawrence. How say you?

1054
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, perception could be a real thing,

1055
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason for a guy that has won

1056
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot of games and is a Super Bowl champ

1057
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: and he was not. I mean, how old is Mike

1058
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: McCarthy sixty, So it's not like he's Pete Carroll seventy

1059
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: three years old. His career record won seventy four and

1060
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: one twelve. He's won eleven playoff games. His winning percentage

1061
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: is over six hundred in this century, has three twelve

1062
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: win seasons, just turned twenty twenty five. But he's kind

1063
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: of I don't think he's viewed like his record fair

1064
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, honestly, yeah, I thought he had

1065
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: a pretty good run Dallas. He clearly had an awesome

1066
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: run in Green Bay. But people go, oh, it's Aaron Rodgers,

1067
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: says Al Rodgers. What do they say about Dallas? No

1068
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: one wins there? He won twelve games three years in row.

1069
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: When's the last time that. When's the last time the

1070
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys did that the nineties? I don't think they have

1071
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: anything near that this century. I mean, up until twenty

1072
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: twenty one, they had that back to back winning season.

1073
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six. Think about that.

1074
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: So when they were good in the mid nineties ninety

1075
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: one through ninety six, eleven, thirteen, twelve, twelve, ten, starting

1076
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven, till Mike McCarthy showed up, they

1077
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: did not have back to back double digit winning seasons.

1078
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: He had three straight. So I'm sorry, Like you could

1079
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: argue Mike's better than the Cowboys because the Cowboys had

1080
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: a million coaches during that time, Parcels, Garrett, you name it,

1081
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips. None of them could win back to back

1082
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: double digit games. It's not that difficult. Huge fan, I'm

1083
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: an Alabama fan, and while the season was disappointing, I

1084
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: have a more optimistic outlook going forward than a lot

1085
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: of Bama fans do. I think we have a great

1086
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: coach and great recruiting infrastructure, and they are still one

1087
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: of the most attractive destinations for high schoo in transfers.

1088
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: I do worry, however, about the NIL situation. We have

1089
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: a harder time getting funding for a collective and not

1090
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: only do a lot of Northern and West Coast schools,

1091
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: but even SEC competitors like Texas, Georgia and a and

1092
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: m Well, I think will always be one of the

1093
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: better schools in the country. Do you think the NIL

1094
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: issues could prevent Bama as well as some other lower

1095
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: funding SEC schools, from being able to re enter the

1096
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: national championship contender. Let me just say this where I

1097
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: think you're wrong. You said a comment like I think

1098
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: we are still one of the most attractive destinations for

1099
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: high school kids. That doesn't exist anymore. That there's no like,

1100
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, forever, if you wanted, you know, there were destinations, right.

1101
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: If you wanted to work in country music, you moved

1102
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: to Nashville. If you wanted to work in Hollywood, you

1103
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: moved to La And those were just attractive places, right.

1104
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: Help you know, think about in the last four years

1105
00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: the places that have boomed, right, Vegas, Scottsdale, Austin, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Nashville,

1106
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Jupiter, Miami Areas, Charlotte. Right, they were just

1107
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: they were a destination for human beings. Destinations now in

1108
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: college football have nothing to do with like you know

1109
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: who used to play here or you know how many

1110
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: games we've won. There's one question that gets asked. I

1111
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: would say, not one hundred percent the time, but I

1112
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: think the number is well over ninety to ninety five percent. Well,

1113
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: what's how much you paint me? So it's like, if

1114
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: Alabama's offering a guy four hundred thousand dollars and a

1115
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: shittier school, let's just pick Alabama. Let's just pick two

1116
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: schools Alabama against. Let's say Utah. Let's say Utah has

1117
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: more money than Alabama. I'm not saying that's they do.

1118
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have the books. But let's

1119
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: just say Utah is offering the kid six hundred thousand

1120
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: dollars in Alabama's offering the kid four hundred thousand dollars. Forever,

1121
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: it'd be like you just you go play at Alabama.

1122
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 1: I think Utah against that kid nine out of ten times. Now,

1123
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: let's use Michigan State and the example you use and

1124
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: Colin's been hitting on this, and Colin uses like these

1125
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: guys go to the coasts and they work in finance

1126
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: and whatever. I think it's just a simple numbers game

1127
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: that Michigan, obviously, Ohio State, Oregon, these schools have more

1128
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: money than the SEC schools not named Texas and Texas

1129
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: and m maybe Georgia. We're really about to find out.

1130
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: But we just saw Ohio State have the highest paid

1131
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: roster in the country. The only team that was closed

1132
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: was Texas, not Alabama, LSU or Georgia. We saw LSU,

1133
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: and I would put LSU in there with Alabama. Brian

1134
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: Kelly had to give a million dollars to the collective

1135
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: because when Underwood needed to pick a school, Michigan gave

1136
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: him all that money because they have an eighty year

1137
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: old guy named Larry Ellison who cut the check. Like

1138
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: that guy just doesn't exist at Alabama or il issue.

1139
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: I think many would argue that Arkansas, because of Tyson Foods,

1140
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: technically has more money. If you gave Deboor twenty million

1141
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: dollars to play with, I think Alabama would win a

1142
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 1: national championship or compete to win one. But if let's

1143
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: just say, and again, no one really knows these numbers,

1144
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: but let's just say he's got ten and the top

1145
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: six to seven programs are between fifteen to twenty, you're

1146
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: at a major disadvantage. And just because Saban rattled off championships,

1147
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: no one gives a shit that all those sweet that

1148
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: oh Mika Fitzpatrick, Quinn Williams, Julio Jones. Okay, awesome, how

1149
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: much you paying me? Which I like, there's just a

1150
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: very capitalistic I don't know nature to the business. Now

1151
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: it's capitalistic a word, the just cut through business nature

1152
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: of college sports, which in basketball has always been like that,

1153
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: Like why do you think Duke and Kentucky were getting

1154
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: those several players? Nothing comes for free, nothing good comes

1155
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: for free, beside love. I think you guys are in trouble.

1156
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: I think any school without a ton of money is

1157
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: in trouble. So you could argue that it just becomes

1158
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: the top five or six nil teams are going to

1159
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 1: consistently be in the Final four at least final eight,

1160
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: and you kinda you know, Alabama did enough to get

1161
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: lucky before they got the best players. Georgia, Georgia and

1162
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Alabama for like, you know, the last decade got the

1163
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: best players. LSU had the one year, but it was

1164
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: basically them Clemson in a couple of years. That would

1165
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: never happen today. There's no way Saban is elite. Saban

1166
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to land all those guys because

1167
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have the money. I loved Alabama undersaving I

1168
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: became a pretty die hard sec guy. I watched most

1169
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: of their games right, not just Alabama, but all the

1170
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: big SEC games. I thought it was the best product.

1171
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: If it shifts like I won't watch as much. I

1172
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: don't think the conference is gonna be awesome because the

1173
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: you know the vibe that the games are elite. They

1174
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: care so much and they'll do whatever they can to

1175
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: raise the money. But how do you go up against

1176
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: the money of Ohio State, the money of Oregon. If

1177
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: USC can ever get their head out of their ass, USC,

1178
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: they just got more money than you. I'll tell you.

1179
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the sleeper. It's fucking Notre Dame. Do

1180
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: you know how much money that school has? Do you

1181
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: know how many boosters with unlimited cash are gonna want

1182
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: to be a huge part of the program now that

1183
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: they can directly. And Marcus Freeman is much more likable

1184
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: than Brian Kelly and proves that he can win. Watch

1185
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: out for Notre Dame. Huge Bucks fan. I just wanted

1186
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts and maybe an outside view of

1187
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: the future of Baker and Tampa. I feel like that

1188
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: we are consistently portrait Trade is a five win team

1189
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: in all the preseason, and when we do make the

1190
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: playoffs for the fifth straight year. That's when the national

1191
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: media love to come out. It's one of your thoughts. Well,

1192
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: it's partly your division. It's pretty awful. It's really bad.

1193
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not a fun division to watch.

1194
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the Saints are putrid, the Falcons are kind

1195
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: of an embarrassment. Uh, and the Carolina Panthers up until

1196
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: the last second half of the year had been one

1197
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: of the rough couple of year stretches I can ever remember.

1198
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: So your division flies a little under the radar. You know,

1199
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: your your head coach is not you know, it's funny

1200
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: with Todd like that guy was a badass safety in

1201
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: the pros and if you ever most people probably listening

1202
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: have it met Todd. But obviously safeties are if you

1203
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: meet a safety from like the eighties or the nineties.

1204
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: I worked with one in Lewis Riddick, who you see

1205
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 1: on ESPN. I was around Todd Bowles with the Eagle.

1206
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time around the Niners and

1207
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: seeing John Lynch. Safeties back in the day are fucking massive.

1208
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles is a big ass dude. If you played

1209
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: safety back in the day, safeties were bigger like if

1210
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: you just see Todd Bowles or Lewis Ridick standing next

1211
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: to a linebacker nowadays, a lot of times they're bigger.

1212
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: John Lynch is bigger than some forty nine linebackers or

1213
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: every body. Maybe not now he's like fifty five years old,

1214
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like height, you know, these safeties

1215
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: are six two sixty three. They just they look different

1216
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: and they weren't they hit hard like you you got

1217
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: killed back in the day. Yeah, Todd's personality sometimes I'm

1218
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: jealous as someone that can get a little emotional, you

1219
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: know when just just in life it's like, calm down

1220
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. Todd's very mellow, and I think sometimes

1221
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: when you're mellow, you know, Dan Campbell hit the scene

1222
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: like people follow the Lions pretty closely because he was

1223
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: such a just magnetic figure. You're like, what Dan Campbell's say,

1224
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: You just Todd's not really liked that. And even Baker,

1225
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: who was once like that, I would say, is really

1226
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: mellowed down. So really, the faces of your program in

1227
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: the NFL typically or your coach and your quarterback, and

1228
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: I obviously I would say Todd Bowle is one of

1229
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: the more understated coaches head coaches in the NFL by

1230
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: a wide margin. And I think Baker's become really really quiet,

1231
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: which is a good thing if you're Jason Light and

1232
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles. What should the Saints do in order to

1233
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: get back into contention asap? Is that something feasible in

1234
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: twenty five? Should we accept the idea clean house? Yeah?

1235
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: I think it's I think nuclear option. Blow that bitch up.

1236
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: I think you have so many financial issues. I mean,

1237
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: no team robs Peter to pay Paul like the Saints.

1238
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean, every single year, up against it, up against it,

1239
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: up against it. And this Derek Carr thing, like he's

1240
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: going to be your quarterback next year. Known Derek a

1241
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: long time, but he just he's lost his mojo. Man,

1242
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: he just hasn't played well for a while. And the

1243
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: other thing with Derek because he kind of gets injured

1244
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: a lot now, But it doesn't make any fin You

1245
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: just roll him back. But the problem is if Derekshire quarterback. Now,

1246
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know it's feasible that he's

1247
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna play seventeen games anymore, but he's going to. I

1248
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: just think that it's gonna be hard to get a

1249
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: top couple pick with it if he plays most of

1250
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: the games. Now, if he gets injured and you gotta

1251
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: play Spencer Rattler or hater. I like Jake two Fristen

1252
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: State guy. But just quarterback situations not great, team's not great,

1253
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: just issues. What else to say? We'll end on this

1254
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: Charger fan stoked we got Jimmy Harbaugh. Year one was

1255
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: above my expectations, even though we had a rough ending.

1256
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: Going forward, what do you think are the realistic chances

1257
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: we ever win a Super Bowl? I think if Jim

1258
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: Harbaugh's your coach, you have a good chance to win

1259
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl in the next several years. One thousand percent.

1260
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack I saw today said he wants to come back,

1261
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: would not shock me at all. They re sign Khalil

1262
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: Mack to a one year deal. I would imagine Jim

1263
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: Harbaugh likes Khalil Mack, same with Jesse Minter. Now, maybe

1264
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack wants to leave. I don't see why I would,

1265
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Speaker 1: obviously depending on money. I think there are a couple

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Speaker 1: keys to the draft for the Chargers, which is something

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Speaker 1: they just need to get for Herbert moving forward. A

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Speaker 1: weapon that can either be a tight end or a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think they would be more inclined. If

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Speaker 1: you tell me they draft one of those two in

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Speaker 1: the first round, I think they'd be more inclined to

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Speaker 1: draft a tight end. Though, you know, harbaught and Balkey

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Speaker 1: took a wide receiver. I think his second year in

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Speaker 1: the first round turned out to be a bust. Aj

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Speaker 1: Jenkins from Illinois, But they did. But I could see

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Speaker 1: them taking a tight end or a wide receiver high

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Speaker 1: and a running back on the second day. And this

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Speaker 1: this draft is littered with running backs, so if they

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Speaker 1: can hit on those. When Harbaugh got hired with the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers, one underrated thing they did is they

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Speaker 1: hit on some free agents. They signed Carlos Rogers who

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Speaker 1: was playing with the Redskins, and he became a Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl corner for them. They signed I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: Dante Whitner. They just signed some players that just became

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Speaker 1: impact players for them. So I think this offseason could

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Speaker 1: be about just signing a couple low budget guys that

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Speaker 1: could become impact players and then nail some draft picks.

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh has a long history of doing that. I think offensively,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, you feel good about the quarterback you

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Speaker 1: feel good about Lad mccaukey, you feel good about now?

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Speaker 1: Can you get a Tyler Warren? I think Michigan's tight

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Speaker 1: ends pretty good, obviously, Jim's gonna know him. Or a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver to go with mccaukey and then draft a

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Speaker 1: running back that to me is the best, the best

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Speaker 1: plan moving forward. Appreciate you, guys, Talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: The volume