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Speaker 1: us Talking bird Gang. Danny Surrek joins me. We discussed

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Speaker 1: the goings on at tight End University, the goings on

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Speaker 1: in this week's mailbag, and what question marks remain with

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Speaker 1: training camp one month away. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: POA Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 1: Some more Hurry magic whow Here's Craig Griolu. This is

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Speaker 1: when you know you've reached the dead period of the

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Speaker 1: It is nice darn near empty inside the Dignity Health

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Speaker 1: Well, go on vacation, Greg, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Very very kind of you say, very kind of those

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Speaker 1: And it's why everyone is excited about this upcoming season

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Speaker 3: How are you gonna know if you're not having him

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Speaker 1: And that's fair because let's also not forget what the

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Speaker 3: You're never gonna know if you're only having Adams go

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was going through the MAILBI questions, I

438
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Speaker 3: couldn't justify taking one of those numbers away.

439
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the health of Jonah Williams, and it was

440
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Speaker 1: good to see him out there during OTA's and mini camp.

441
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Speaker 1: The one and it's a wild card when we talk

442
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Speaker 1: about outside linebacker. But correct me if I'm wrong. The

443
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: only player of the ninety on the roster that we

444
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: did not see on the field at all, didn't see

445
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: go through drills, didn't see working on the side was

446
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: b Jo Jolari. Correct. Correct, And that's the one name

447
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: that we were both in agreement back in May that

448
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: we wanted to see on the field. And again he

449
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: still maybe was maybe it was unrealistic to see him

450
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: on the field or even on the side, But that's

451
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: the one quote unquote absence. He was in the building,

452
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: but we didn't see him because he's still We forget

453
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: August was when he tore the ACL so he's not

454
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: quite a year removed. And does it really matter right

455
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: now as opposed to training camp in the start of

456
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Speaker 1: the regular season.

457
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Speaker 3: I don't know the extent to what they're going to do,

458
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: but I do know that Ojilari is going to the

459
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: Sack Summon in Las Vegas this weekend with Max Crosby's

460
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: going to be there with Kalas Campbell and Daries Robinson.

461
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: So he's healthy enough to go and do some sort

462
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 3: of exercise there. So I'm not sure if Ojelauri not

463
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: participating in OT's in mini camp was rehab related or

464
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: being on the field or being in front of the

465
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Speaker 3: media or whatever it was. He's seemingly healthy enough to go,

466
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: which is a great sign. It's just a question of

467
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: why was he not out there and why was he

468
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: not working out on the side. Now that's not to

469
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Speaker 3: say he's not rehabbing or anything like that. I'm not

470
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: and blying that whatsoever. But yeah, it was interesting that

471
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Speaker 3: the one player we did not see in any facet

472
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Speaker 3: throughout the off season programs as a player who got

473
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: hurt almost a year ago, that this defense is seemingly

474
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Speaker 3: relying on to come and pick up where he left off.

475
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Speaker 1: And what do you do it outside linebacker? Can you

476
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Speaker 1: count on bj or is it become a wild card.

477
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: And the other two players that are a little bit

478
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Speaker 1: of an unknown, although they were spotted at some point

479
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: during the offseason working out on the side. Going back

480
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: to the defensive line, Justin Jones and Blall Nichols, where

481
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: are they, Because where we are able to watch OTAs

482
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Speaker 1: in Mini camp are we are front row? We are

483
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Speaker 1: basically closer than front row of where the defensive linemen

484
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: are working. And there was no Justin Jones, Noble All Nichols.

485
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: They are on the other side of the field. But

486
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Speaker 1: I did not see either one of them participate in

487
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Speaker 1: an on field drill.

488
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: Justin Jones wasn't participating at all throughout OTS or Mini camp.

489
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Speaker 1: Not that that's unlimited now he was working out.

490
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Speaker 3: On the Yes, if I'm remembering correctly, I'd have to

491
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 3: go back and look through my tweets.

492
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Speaker 1: Now.

493
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Speaker 3: I think there was a point, whether it was OTS

494
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: or Mini camp, where Justin Jones was out there in

495
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: a limited fashion. Balald Nichols was not. So Jones was

496
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: dealing with the triceps early last year. They played it

497
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: combined nine games last season, the two of them. That

498
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: is going to be interesting because you've got a pretty

499
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: fortified defensive line room. This time last year, when Jones

500
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: was brought in, he's expected he was a starter until

501
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 3: he got hurt. So where do you fall now when

502
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 3: you're competing against a Dalvin Tomlinson, a healthy Darius Robinson,

503
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: LJ Caller, and Dante Stills who have continued to improve.

504
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: The big question mark is blond Nichols, who was dealing

505
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: with a neck stinger. And it's not to say it's

506
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Speaker 3: not possible he won't be ready for training camp. The

507
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: fact that he was still working on the side and

508
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: was not, at least during the open portion, was not

509
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: participating to what we saw. Could that be telling to

510
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: still be dealing with that all these months later? Something

511
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: we'll have to see. I don't know if he's gonna

512
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: be ready for training camp.

513
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Speaker 1: And by the way, all this conversation here in late

514
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: June could be deemed irrelevant once the pads are put

515
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: on in training camp, because that's the number of times

516
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: we heard Jonathan Gannon talk about wanting to see these

517
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: guys play football in pads. When you can really evaluate

518
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: whether that's one on one or nine on seven or

519
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, how do you hold up whether that's

520
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman or a defensivelignment or an outside linebacker.

521
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: Can you move the guy in front of you when

522
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: you're actually going full speed in pads as opposed to

523
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: when you're just kind of going through the motions out

524
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: here during the summer. So when the pads come on

525
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: and the truly evaluation, that's I think all these questions

526
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about all off season long, we'll

527
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: get a better idea that first padded practice and then

528
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: however many more they have, and then of course preseason

529
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: and the joint practice at the Denver Broncos. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's why you know, coaches keep telling us they

531
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Speaker 3: gotta wait for.

532
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: Pats to come on the fifty three man roster conversation

533
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: and you bring it up the tight end position going

534
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: one less. I want to talk about that because you

535
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: can very easily go one less because that's basically what

536
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: this team did a year ago with Travis Vocollect being

537
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: inactive on game day until later in the season. But

538
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: as much as this offense runs two and three tight

539
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: end sets, I'd be curious if you can really take

540
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: that gamble again this season that you're going to be

541
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: healthy at the tight end room to where you can

542
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: go or risk having just three and utilize that practice

543
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: squad as someone that is your emergency tight end. I

544
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: don't know how they feel about Vocalect, but they felt

545
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: good enough for him to be on the fifty three

546
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: man roster to be kind of that in case an

547
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: emergency tight end. Did that change based off of how

548
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Elijah Higgins performed tip Ryman performed. I mean, we know

549
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Tray's he's set, but if you're going to go twelve

550
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel, someone gets hurt and that would be a

551
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: position room. I just don't know based off how this

552
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: offense works. That's why I like wide receiver going one less,

553
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: because you're gonna run more tight end sets or use

554
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: a running back more than you are a wide receiver.

555
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: Perhaps, I think going forward last year was a lot

556
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: about Higgins, who was new to the position. He was

557
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: a wide receiver in college, and you could tell he

558
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: was definitely getting his legs under him right, getting his

559
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: feet wet, and you could see the progression as a

560
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: pass catcher and a little bit as a blocker last

561
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: year and tip Ryman, who was a rookie and didn't

562
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: really know what you had in him. He was a

563
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: blocker in college. He's been used primarily as a blocker

564
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: with the Cardinals so far in one year, and been

565
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: a little vocal about wanting to be a more consistent

566
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: pass catcher. Didn't have a lot of opportunities last year.

567
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: When you've got two of your four players with question marks,

568
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: makes sense you're going to keep Travis Vocolock, who's been

569
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: in the league a little bit longer. I don't think

570
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: that's as necessary this year. I'd have to go back

571
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: and look and see how many times are they truly

572
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: in thirteen personnel And if you aren't thirteen, do you

573
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: still need an extra tight end? Because what good does

574
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: it make Vocaluck if he was inactive, that makes no

575
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: difference right in terms of having him on the bench.

576
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: If someone gets hurt during the game, he can't put

577
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: on a uniform and go play. So to me, that's

578
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: an easy number where if you think he's going to

579
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: clear waivers, you can put him on the practice squad

580
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: and elevate him when you need to having him on

581
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: the roster. To have him in active, does you know

582
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: good if somebody gets hurt during the game, they were

583
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: essentially just playing with three tight ends.

584
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Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a good point as far as having that

585
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: veteran as just in case because of the uncertainty with

586
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Higgins who's still brand new to the position in tip

587
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Riman as a rookie, okay if you but having them

588
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: now maybe feel more comfortable and going lighter at tight end.

589
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: By the way, both Higgins and tip Ryman joining Trey

590
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: McBride at tight End University in Nashville fifth annual event.

591
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: And this is, by the way, this has gotten big

592
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: enough to where I was watching NFL Live on ESPN

593
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: and there was Laura Rutledge and dan Orlofsky live at

594
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt and all of a sudden, we're now broadcasting the

595
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: at least they were on Tuesday broadcasting tight End University.

596
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: That is a credit to George Kittle, Travis Kelcey, greg

597
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Olsen who started all this five years ago. To now

598
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: it's become a real thing, and I think credit to them.

599
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: And then also shows how much more I think teams

600
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: are starting to value the tight end position not just

601
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: as a safety blanket but now a part of an offense.

602
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: That position has evolved over the last couple of years,

603
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: and when you have players of that caliber, showing their

604
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: worth and their versatility, that absolutely makes a difference. Look

605
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: look at the teams that have had success as of late,

606
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: and yes, I mean these have been very good quarterbacks,

607
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: but look at the combination. When you've got Jalen Hurts

608
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: and Dallas Goddard, when you've got Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce,

609
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: when you've got brock Party in his connection with George Kittle,

610
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews like you can find the

611
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: connection and how much a good true tight end, especially

612
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: those that can not only catch but can also block,

613
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: can really make a difference and be tough for a

614
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: defense to bring to the ground, which we see with

615
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: McBride all the time with the amount of tackles he's

616
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: shaken off and how many defenders it really takes to

617
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: bring him down to the ground. I love the fact

618
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: that you've got things like Tennan University in the Sack Summit,

619
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: where these players, especially those who are nearing the back

620
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: end of their career, are using their knowledge and what

621
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: they've learned from veterans and they are helping younger players

622
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: in the league. And that's the brotherhood we hear about

623
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: with the NFL is this is the offseason. Most of

624
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: these players have already done their individual community efforts earlier

625
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: in the offseason. Nobody's practicing, nobody's having meetings, and these

626
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: players are choosing to spend time with each other that

627
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: they don't normally get to because they're on different teams

628
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: and they are obviously not going head to head on

629
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: the football field. I think it's great that Higgins is

630
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: out there, so is Ryman with McBride, and they're all

631
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: having that experience together.

632
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: One of the while, as they were ESPN was broadcasting,

633
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: they were showing some file footage and there was Travis

634
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: Kelsey surrounded by a bunch of fellow tight ends and

635
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: you could see Tip Ryman in the background and all

636
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: taped up ready to go, but just his focus and

637
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: his attention all centered on what Kelsey was saying in

638
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: the moment, and that's a perfect player to look for advice.

639
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: And George Kittle was on set and he was bringing

640
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: up exactly what you were talking about as far as

641
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: if you look at teams, playoff teams, super Bowl winners,

642
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: even going back to the Patriot and Rob Gronkowski, tell

643
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: me a Super Bowl winner that didn't have a very good, borderline,

644
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: elite tight end that wasn't just your third leading receiver,

645
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: but maybe your first or second and a focal point

646
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: of your offense. I don't know off the top of

647
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: my head if you can find a Super Bowl champion

648
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: that does not have that position, and I think it's

649
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: why the Cardinals found one in Trey McBride and why

650
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: he was your leading receiver a year ago.

651
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: Twofold. Yes, all those reasons why he was leading receiver.

652
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: He's very good. I mean, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: With his catching ability and his shaking off tackles. He

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Speaker 3: is tough to bring down. He is reliable. That's also

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Speaker 3: low though, Like look at the fact he was your

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Speaker 3: number one receiver because who else was producing on a

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Speaker 3: consistent basis. Marvin Harrison Junior had a very good rookie year.

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Speaker 3: It was not consistent, whether that was on him, whether

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Speaker 3: that was on the play call, multiple games where he

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Speaker 3: was alive in the first quarter and then until the fourth. Right,

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Speaker 3: So it's twofold. Absolutely McBride has been your number one

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Speaker 3: receiver and has been playing like it. But let's also

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Speaker 3: remember that we've talked about the wide receivers having struggled.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna have You're not gonna have to, you know,

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Speaker 3: twist my arm to talk about the difference of tight

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Speaker 3: end can make. I mean, didn't win a super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: but you're looking at someone who grew up in the

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Speaker 3: Jason Wynn era with the Dallas Cowboy. So that's all

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Speaker 3: I've really known.

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Speaker 1: McBride had one hundred and forty seven targets last season,

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Speaker 1: Harrison one hundred and sixteen. I don't know if those

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Speaker 1: numbers change drastically now. The number of catches, the receptions

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Speaker 1: for Marvin, yes, should absolutely increase, And if they do,

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Speaker 1: then maybe Kyler's not looking for eighty five all the

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Speaker 1: time like he was because that connection just wasn't there

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Speaker 1: with Marvin. And it's we're gonna have games in which

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Speaker 1: maybe there is Marvin going off for one hundred yards

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Speaker 1: and we like what happened to Trey, Well, did you

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Speaker 1: win or not? That's what If you asked Drew Petsing,

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Speaker 1: did you win the game? And if you did, then

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If you didn't, it's like, okay, well

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Speaker 1: then what do you have to do? And I think

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Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at with third eight win season, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Trey was fantastic, but it didn't get you the requisite

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Speaker 1: number of wins to get you into the postseason. That's

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Speaker 1: why we go back to that wide receiver conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of weight is on the shoulders

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Speaker 1: of Marvin Harrison Junior to be productive and figure out

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Speaker 1: how to get him more involved. I wouldn't say number

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Speaker 1: of routes or number of targets, but the connection whether

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Speaker 1: it's on him, whether it's on Kyler or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: get possession of the football and it makes something happen

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Speaker 1: and find your way into the end zone.

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Speaker 3: How too more efficient? You know defenses are going to

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Speaker 3: have tight coverage on him. That is going to be

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Speaker 3: a main focal point. You have to find a way

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Speaker 3: to continue to produce. You look at other teams and

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Speaker 3: I know that he's only rookie, So I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: that this was the level that was expected it from

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Speaker 3: him off the bat. You look at other teams and

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Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson finds a way to get it done, Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase finds a way to get it done. Ceedee Lamb.

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Speaker 3: So if you're going to go out there and you

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Speaker 3: know be a number one receiver, your team. Everyone involved

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Speaker 3: needs to find a way to make you more efficient,

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Speaker 3: and when you're looking at the numbers, theoretically it should

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Speaker 3: be easier to get somebody outside a little more open

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Speaker 3: than somebody like McBride who's running in the middle of

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Speaker 3: the field and he's having to get past linebackers and

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Speaker 3: safeties and a lot more bodies.

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Speaker 1: The interesting note on Trey and I didn't know this,

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Speaker 1: but before he came on set, ESPN flashed this graphic.

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Speaker 1: Since twenty twenty two, Trey McBride has the lowest drop

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Speaker 1: rate of any pass catcher, ahead of Aman Ross, Saint Brown,

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Speaker 1: ahead of Justin Jefferson. According to ESPN Danny, since twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, Trey McBride has two drops on two hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety six targets.

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Speaker 3: One of them was that first game where McBride and

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Speaker 3: Murray were playing together. Murray came back, do you remember,

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Speaker 3: I think it was maybe honestly the first target for

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Speaker 3: Murray and McBride, and it kind of hit him, like,

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Speaker 3: I think, right in the face, right hand, stunned. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that was one. I can't even think of the other.

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Speaker 3: It's very impressive, I mean, now that's why he caught

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Speaker 3: all that money.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do you define a drop versus where

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Speaker 1: you covered? Was it tight coverage? Was there a defender

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Speaker 1: in the area? Did he get a hand on the ball?

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Speaker 2: Doubt?

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Speaker 3: I doubt the one in LA.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking about too.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know that that counts. That bounced

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Speaker 3: off his face.

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Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, and there was. I wouldn't consider that a drop. Again,

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Speaker 1: how do you define drop? But I just found that

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Speaker 1: interrot like two drops.

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Speaker 3: On almost so few that I can tell you what

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Speaker 3: the first one was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, dan Orlowsky a big fan of

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Speaker 1: Trey McBride his comments when Tray was on set because

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Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago when Tray was a young

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Speaker 1: tight end on the rise. Tray now is one of

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Speaker 1: the best tight ends period. He's not on the rise.

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Speaker 1: You talk about top tight ends, you have to include

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Speaker 1: Trey McBride in that conversation with George K'll Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, top three, top five, And I would

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Speaker 1: love to know an argument where you if you don't

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Speaker 1: have Trey McBride in that conversation, even though he's only

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Speaker 1: done it. He's only been a starter for one full season.

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Speaker 3: Well, there is no argument anymore. He got paid up

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Speaker 3: until Kittle decided to essentially get pennies more than and

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Speaker 3: he was the highest paid tight end NFL history. There

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Speaker 3: is no more argument. There is none.

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Speaker 1: If you produce, you get paid. Trey McBride got paid

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Speaker 1: and well desered for him, and now it's just okay,

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Speaker 1: does he have any more help? Offensively meaning Marvin Harrison Jr.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm not discounting James Connor, but you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a pass catcher, not a running back in this situation.

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Speaker 1: How many hours Danny vacation days.

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Speaker 3: I do before then?

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Speaker 1: By the way, programming note, as everyone is starting to

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Speaker 1: disappear for a little while Cardinals Cover two is not

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Speaker 1: going anywhere, we'll begin starting next week our annual offseat

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Speaker 1: in tradition of looking around the NFC West, see what's

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Speaker 1: been happening with the Rams, Seahawks and forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: It's been busy, not only here in Arizona, but also

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Seattle, and San Francisco as well. Danny, always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Enjoy the vacation, see you next month. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: your Fourth of July holiday, and training camp will be

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Speaker 1: right around the corner. Can't wait disconnect, Danny.

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Speaker 3: Don't go tell me twice.

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Speaker 1: I know. I'll work on that. On my end, on

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Speaker 1: that note Bird gang, we will put all it on.

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Speaker 1: This edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai, probably

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim Mama Hundre, our associate producer Cody Fincher,

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Speaker 1: who remains on vacation for Danny. Sirek, I'm Craig Riolu.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover

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