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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: and tell you in the show, we're joined by wildlife

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Speaker 1: and habitat consultant Rob Hobbrey to discuss late season hunting

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Speaker 1: and ideas for improving deer and wildlife habitat. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking with Rob Hobbrey. Rob is a

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Speaker 1: land specialist for white tail properties as well as a consultant.

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Speaker 1: He runs a wildlife and uh forestry consulting business. And

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Speaker 1: Rob actually joined us on the back for to this

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Speaker 1: summer and helped us out with some trees and tree

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Speaker 1: plantings and and during that time with him, I realized

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Speaker 1: that he has got a lot to offer when it

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Speaker 1: comes to ideas around both how to hunt deer and

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Speaker 1: other wildlife. Um, just a great source of knowledge. And

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Speaker 1: today that's what I wanted to do, was was get

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Speaker 1: him talking on all those topics. So what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: dive into here momentarily is a little bit around Rob's

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Speaker 1: late season hunting plans, the types of things he's paying

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Speaker 1: attention to, as well as a little bit more generically,

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Speaker 1: things he thinks about just when it comes to hunting

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Speaker 1: a small property in general, especially with lots of pressure

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Speaker 1: around you. He has a unique situation on his home

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Speaker 1: of our time, we then are going to talk through

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Speaker 1: ways to develop a plan for improving your property, whether

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Speaker 1: it's twenty acres or two acres. UH. This is a

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Speaker 1: this next time around. So we discuss how to audit

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Speaker 1: your property, how to determine where to start, how to

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Speaker 1: prioritize projects, and then discussing everything from improving food sources

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Speaker 1: talk about food plots, we talk about evergreen tree plantings,

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Speaker 1: we talk about planting orchards, UH and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: So if you are into just hunting, we've got something

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Speaker 1: got that as well. It's a fun talk. Rob's got

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Speaker 1: a lot to offer, so I'm just gonna let us

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Speaker 1: dive right into it. We're here at the very end

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Speaker 1: of the year, so uh, I just want to wish

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Speaker 1: you all a merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's been a good year, although I know

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Speaker 1: it's been tough for a lot of folks. I hope

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Speaker 1: you've been able to uh weather the storm and find

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Speaker 1: some silver linings and uh, we're gonna head into one

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Speaker 1: with some optimism, is what I hope. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a better year everyone. That's what I believe. And uh,

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Speaker 1: let's let's make that a reality real quick. Before we

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Speaker 1: get to Rob's chat, a couple of quick plugs, I'll

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Speaker 1: just let you all know that the back forty series

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Speaker 1: is completed. That show that I host, it's now all

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Speaker 1: out there. It's on the Meat Eater YouTube channel. You'll

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Speaker 1: get to see Rob in one of those episodes as

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Speaker 1: he helped bring out and help us get started with

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Speaker 1: some of our tree plantings and episode two, so make

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Speaker 1: sure check that out. I hope it's something you enjoy

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Speaker 1: So head on over scope that out. And then finally,

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Speaker 1: if you got some gift cards for Christmas or maybe

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Speaker 1: something to buy. Um in particular, I'm gonna recommend some

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Speaker 1: is The Meat Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival.

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Speaker 1: That's a dang good option. Or if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: more of a history and adventure read, I got to

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Speaker 1: suggest that Wild Country. That's the book that I wrote

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Speaker 1: and had published last year that I'm super proud of

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Speaker 1: now on the line is Rob Hobbrey. Rob, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for making the time to do this. Great

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Speaker 1: what that looks like in reality. What what does a

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Speaker 1: day is something different. Uh. You know, I started my

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Speaker 1: that I'm a forestry consultant, a habitat consultant, and I'm

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Speaker 1: So I've been really blessed in that regard. So every

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Speaker 1: I just I enjoy getting out of bed every single day.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people take a lot of time

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Speaker 1: a specific stand. And the other thing I think I've

433
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Speaker 1: done mark that has really helping, you know, and I've

434
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: read a lot of articles on this and and I'm

435
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: I'm finding it to be very true, is those approaches

436
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: to your tree stand and and the exit routes out

437
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 1: of your tree stand are absolutely huge. I mean, just

438
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: moving a tree stand fifteen yards uh, you know, with

439
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: a south wind, uh, and being able to get out

440
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: of that stand down into the creek and leave that

441
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: stand and not have dear blow out of your food plots.

442
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: That has really helped immensely. I mean, you know, I

443
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: love late season hunting. And we've got a little bit

444
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: of snow on the ground this morning from last night snow.

445
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: I'll probably hunt this evening and there's you know, I've

446
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: got six acres of standing soybeans and there's a good

447
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: chance there will be fifteen deer and my food plots

448
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: this evening and I may not kill one. I just

449
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: like going out and and watching how they behave and

450
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: watching how you know, how they work through the food plots,

451
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: and then and then once they passed by me, and

452
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, I usually take my binoculars and look real

453
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: close the best I can. You know, I might sit

454
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: out there an hour after dark, just so I don't

455
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: spook deer when I leave. And I think that has

456
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: helped immensely as well. Now I want your listeners to

457
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: understand every year I learned, I'm learning something constantly. And

458
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not the guy like Don Higgins who's

459
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: gone out and killed two inch deer. I just haven't.

460
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: But you know, I enjoy hunting my farm. I enjoyed

461
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: doing the habitat improvements on my farm. And that's what

462
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: has really brought the joy of hunting to me is

463
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: seeing how the deer react to those habitat improvements and

464
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: seeing how those habitat improvements have have helped the herd

465
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: quality on my property. And so I've learned a lot

466
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: over the years. And I've learned a lot by listening

467
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: and watching videos and listening to a podcast like yours,

468
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: and you know, in reading articles, you know, and every

469
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: every now and then you know, you'll read an article

470
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: and go, I've never thought about that, and you try

471
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: it and you think that gone, that really works. Yeah,

472
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: that that process of continuous learning is is probably the

473
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: very best thing about this whole thing ye're hunting and

474
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: management and all that. You're never going to arn it.

475
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 1: You're never gonna know at all. So it's it's a

476
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: constant process, new discoveries, new things to try, and that's

477
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: just a good time. Um. And that's that's That's one

478
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: thing I love about my property that we have is

479
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, when there's a new food plot, blend comes out,

480
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: or a new seed variety, I'm not afraid to buy

481
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: it and plan it, you know, maybe in a quarter

482
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: of an acre for a year or two, just to

483
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: see if the deer like it. Uh. And that's that's

484
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: how I've kind of narrowed down what I plant on

485
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: the farm, because it's been a lot of trial and error.

486
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: Um and uh So, I mean after after you do

487
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that quite a bit, you have a tendency to realize

488
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: the deer really don't uh brows on what I planted

489
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: that much, or the next year, maybe I'll plant something.

490
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: A man they hammered that they really liked it, so

491
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'll try a little bit more. You know, as

492
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: long as the nutritional qualities there, I'm not afraid to

493
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: try new things. But that's the beauty of your own property.

494
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to you know, you don't

495
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: have to be you don't have to try one specific product,

496
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: one specific seed blend and say, well, this is what

497
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: I want to plant this year. I'm just gonna leave

498
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: it at that. Don't never be afraid to try a

499
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: variety because you know, you never do you never know

500
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: what the deer might be liking next year. Yeah, Yeah,

501
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: trial and error is is usually a good approach to

502
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: uh take things that next level. You mentioned that you're

503
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: probably gonna go hunting tonight or or sometime soon. So

504
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: what's what's your program for late season deer hunting? What's

505
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: what's your approach? And my approach is food because I know,

506
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, like last week it was warm. I mean

507
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: we were in the mid sixties a couple of days. Um,

508
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: I really there's one particular stand on my property that's

509
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: right next to the creek, and I love hunting that stand.

510
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: It's I've had it there since my dad bought the

511
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: farm back in two thousand and that's my favorite evening stand.

512
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: I can only hunt it with a south wind. Well,

513
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: I hunted it one evening last week and uh, at

514
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: ten minutes until dark, I mean shooting light was just

515
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: about over. The deer hadn't even started coming out yet.

516
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: So I went ahead and climbed down and left because

517
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be there an hour and a

518
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: half after dark, and I didn't want to spook him.

519
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: And so when it's warm like that in late season,

520
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: they just don't move until almost dark because they don't

521
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: have to because they're not cold, uh, you know, and

522
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: they're not gravitating to the food as quickly. Um. And

523
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: so I didn't hunt a lot last week. This week

524
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: it's it's colder. I know they're going to move sooner.

525
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: I have a lot of soybeans planted. So my goal

526
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: for this evening will be to check the wind in

527
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: the side which stand I like best based on the

528
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: wind direction. Uh, and then I will basically hunt over food.

529
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Uh and basically I meet hunting now. I usually try

530
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: to kill one large dough on the farm. Uh. Sometimes uh,

531
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll kill like last year, my my wife, I

532
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: hadn't killed a deer for a couple of years because

533
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen one that I wanted to kill. And

534
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: last year, my wife's like, we need meat. Kill your

535
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: deer and then chase your buck. So last last year,

536
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I I shot a big dough on the first day

537
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: of firearms season because it wasn't able to bow hunt

538
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: that much. And I sent her a picture. I said,

539
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: does that work for you? And she said very good?

540
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: And so but uh so, but uh you know, uh

541
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: and and we're the family that my we rarely ever

542
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: buy beef unless we're going to grill a steak on

543
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: a grill. I mean, we we eat everything that I kill.

544
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: And my wife's a good cook, and uh so we

545
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: really enjoy that. And even my daughter, you know, she's

546
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: a she's a fifth year senior in college and and

547
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: she's she even informed me last year, Dad, we're getting

548
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: low one meat. So that's kind of nice. But to work, Yeah,

549
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: my late season focus is I like hunting over food.

550
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: Uh and so because I have a lot of soybeans.

551
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Um you know, they have a tendency too to be

552
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: right there. Uh no, you know, depending on the wind

553
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: direction and so forth. So but I have noticed on

554
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: the farm as well that if if for some reason

555
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: there's pressure on a neighbor, uh, and they have a

556
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: tendency to bed close to the neighbors, but on our property,

557
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: that can dictate how they move into the food plots

558
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: that evening by what pressure they had during the day.

559
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: So that by that, do you mean if on the

560
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: neighboring property they were in their hunting earlier that day,

561
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: that the deer coming into your place won't move until

562
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: after dark or something like that. Or it's not only that,

563
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: but you know if and this happens when you own

564
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: land next to state land, if if somebody's come in

565
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: and avoided or or trespassed on you and has pushed

566
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: the deer out of the betting area, you know, while

567
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I was at work and they came in and do that, Uh,

568
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: then uh, you know that might change the dear patterns

569
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: that day because you know, they were ran off the

570
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: farm or away from the farm, or in a different

571
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: spot than where they knew normally bed. And so as

572
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: they're moving into the food that evening, it might take

573
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: them an extra fifteen or twenty minutes to get there,

574
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: or they may not get there till after dark because

575
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: they've been betting a half a mile away. Yeah, do

576
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: you view that, you know, having public land next to

577
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: you as as a detriment or as an asset in

578
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: certain ways? I've I've talked to some folks that have

579
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: similar situations like lists excuse me, like this, and the

580
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: initial thought is typically, oh, man, there's guys in there

581
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: all time, pushing stuff around, shooting things. It's a tough

582
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: thing to deal with. But on the flip side, you

583
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: might be able to look at and say, Okay, there's

584
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: hundreds of acres of public land or whatever that if

585
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: it was not public land, it might hold a bunch

586
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: of deer that would stay there and I wouldn't see them.

587
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: But instead there's deer there in the spring and summer,

588
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: and then once hunting season starts, all those other people

589
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: go in there and they push everything to your place.

590
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Do you do you get any of that kind of

591
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: effect and all of a sudden, like your properties better

592
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: because everything's pushed off by the pressure on the neighbors.

593
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: I think most definitely. Um. I know since that that

594
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: was forty acres on our east side, and we had

595
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: told one of the owners that if they ever decided

596
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: to sell it, we want first chance to buy it, UM.

597
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: And then the Indiana Division of Forestry came in and

598
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: bought it and we didn't even know it. UM. We

599
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: were really disappointed in that, But I think since the

600
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: state has owned it, that's exactly what's happened. I since

601
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: people you know, with the with the with the g

602
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I S information you have on your cell phones, you

603
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: know that most people don't go by a plat book anymore.

604
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: They can pull up their cell phone and know who

605
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: owns the property. And so most people now know that

606
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: that piece next to us is public land. Uh. It

607
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: does get hunted more than it used to since there

608
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: have been more people hunting it. I think that has

609
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: pressured that area a little bit more. And I do

610
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: think that is one of the reasons some of these

611
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: more mature bucks have gravitated into our property because there's

612
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: no there's very little pressure UM. But I will admit

613
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: from I like to be able to control what goes

614
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: on on the farm UM, and I can't control that

615
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: forty acres and that's uh. I don't I don't like

616
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: having public land right next to me because, like I

617
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: mentioned before, with trespassing, people can really mess it up.

618
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I think that has, uh,

619
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: that has been a little bit of a benefit in

620
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: allowing more mature bucks to find a little bit better

621
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: sanctuary on our property. UM. I know people from a

622
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: from a real estate standpoint, I know people who have

623
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: who are looking for property and they love the fact

624
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: that a parcel I might have for sale or parcel

625
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: they're looking at is next to public land because that

626
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: gives them more acreage to hunt. And I understand that,

627
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: or gives them more acreage to hike or whatever. Um.

628
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: And from from a selling standpoint, you know, when you

629
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: sell a farm, if it has if it's adjacent to

630
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: public land, you know, I've not had anybody not like that. Um.

631
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm just I think what hurts me more than anything

632
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: is the county road. Uh, there's a public there's an

633
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: access site right there on this forty acres that joins us.

634
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: If it was a little bit more isolated or landlocked,

635
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: it wouldn't bother me a bit. But it's not. And

636
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: so so yeah, there there's good points and bad points.

637
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, And it's one of those things

638
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: that man having public access for those hunters that you

639
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: know are going to use that, it's such a great

640
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: privilege and it's great that people can get out there

641
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: and enjoy it. It's just a shame when people abuse

642
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: that privilege and then trespass on somebody else's land. So

643
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: um man, I hate to see a good thing be

644
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, turned into a bad thing when people abuse

645
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: that and uh, and I hope I hope that happens

646
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: less and less because you know, we need place for

647
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: people to go hunt. But you know, public access is

648
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna be taken away if people don't use it the

649
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: right way. So it's a shame when you see those examples.

650
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: I've certainly seen it. Um Uh. Now back to the

651
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: late season thing. You talked about the fact that you're

652
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: late season strategy all revolves around food, and you talk

653
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: to a lot of different people when it comes to

654
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: managing land or adding food to a property, and and

655
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: some folks, many folks take the approach of the fact

656
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: that they want, you know, year round food or season

657
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: long food. Um. But there are certain parts of the

658
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: season when food is disproportionately important, at least from a

659
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: hunting perspective, and late seasons seems to be one of

660
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: those times when you know a lot of neighboring places

661
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: might be lacking, while in October everything's covering food. There's

662
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: great stuff all over the place, there's great habitat all

663
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: over the place. You know, it's a it's a diminishing

664
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: set of resources that we have once you get into

665
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: December or January. So my question is do you make

666
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: improvements to your property or do you think about food

667
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: specifically with the late season mind ever, because you know that, man,

668
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: that's when my food plots will really be special. In

669
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: October they're okay, it's great to have, but they're that

670
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: not that unique compared to everything around me. But once

671
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: we get to December, I could have the only show

672
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: in town. Um is that in your mind at all?

673
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: Or should be people be thinking about that? It is?

674
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: But I do, and I stress this to like my clients.

675
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: When I meet a client, you know, and a lot

676
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: of my my habitat clients, they want me to write

677
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: a plan and they want to implement it, which I

678
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: think that's great. I think it's great when people can

679
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: do their own management work and see the rewards of

680
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: their hard work. And I just they kind of used

681
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: me as a coach and that's great. But on my farm,

682
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: I focus year on year round nutrition. I want to

683
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: make sure that that let's start in January. I want

684
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: to make sure that I have a good high carbohydrate,

685
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: high protein food source January February March, because I want

686
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: my deer to be healthy going into that lag time.

687
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 1: Because that time period when your soybeans are picked off

688
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: and the deer have been in the corn for the

689
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: last two and a half months and they're just not

690
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: much there and the grounds just starting to thaw out,

691
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: and but you know the native fourage is is not

692
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: budding yet and the deer are really just eating brows.

693
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I have plenty of nutrition

694
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: at that time. And so that's when I think you're

695
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: the fall food plots that you plant such as wheat, oats, turnips,

696
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: winter piece things like that, they're breaking dormancy. And you know,

697
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: in in April and May, before your clover starts to

698
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: grow again and before anybody's planted any soybeans, you have

699
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: got something that's really nutritious for the deer. And then

700
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: you go into um. Then you go into the growing

701
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: season where you plan your annual crops. And I I

702
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: plant a forage soybean, and that is what I encourage

703
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: my clients to plant. And the reason I like a

704
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: forage soybean is because it's not an agbean. A forage

705
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: soybean is the soybean that deer can browse, and that

706
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: soybean continues to grow and will continue to put on

707
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: new growth. So if you picture a soybean that grows

708
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: out of the ground and once it's you know, ten

709
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: or twelve inches tall, it's got two or three or

710
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: four stems on it, and then the leaves start coming

711
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: on those stems, Well, the deer comes in and browses

712
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: those everywhere there's a crotch in that stem, it's going

713
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: to sprout, you know, a new leaf. Uh. And so

714
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: the forge soybeans can handle a lot of browse pressure.

715
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: So the soybeans I plant in in May or the

716
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: forge soybeans. But the beauty of those is they're very

717
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: late maturing. So going into October, I've still got green soybeans.

718
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Last year I had six acres of green soybeans. The

719
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: first week of November. Every soybean plant within five miles

720
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: of me was nothing but a stem with a bean pot.

721
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: And keep in mind it's still sixty five degrees, so

722
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: the deer aren't necessarily gravitating too, you know, something that's

723
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: high in carbohydrates. They still like that green forge. They

724
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: still like the clover, you know, they like the If

725
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: you've got winter wheat out, they like the winter wheat,

726
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: they like the oats. Anything that's green. When it's not

727
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: real cold outside, they're gonna move to. And that's the

728
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: beauty of the forage soybean. And the nice thing is

729
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: is if you have a good growing season, they're still

730
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 1: gonna put on a lot of pods. So I've got

731
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: green forage on my farm from the time I put

732
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: my fall plots in until I plant my fall plots

733
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: the next year. So so basically I've got wheat, oats,

734
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: p and turnips in and brassica's on my farm going

735
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: into the fall into the winter. They're gonna take off

736
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: in late winter early spring and really grow nice and

737
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: thick as it gets warm. And the beauty of those

738
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: fall plots, or I call them winter annuals, is you know,

739
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: you get you get a week in December when it's

740
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: sixty five degrees, they're gonna grow, you know, unless the

741
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: grounds just frozen solid. I mean, they're going to grow

742
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: because and ben then when it gets cold, you know

743
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna go dormant again. And it's just a really

744
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: nice winter porridge. When I missed that big buck last

745
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: year during muzzle older season, he had a mouthful of

746
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: winter oats. Uh he I mean he would. You could

747
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: hear him pulling them out of the ground. Um and

748
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: that was just literally fun to watch and until I

749
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: saw him turn and go back. But anyway, so so

750
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: I really focus on nutrition, um, but I also want,

751
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: uh something that's going to carry the deer when it

752
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: gets really cold, like with the no one right now. Uh,

753
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, I've got standing soybeans. The deer gonna be

754
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: feeding on soybeans this evening. I'm I'm just convinced of that. Uh.

755
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: So that's what's nice. They're talking by next week we're

756
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: gonna be back up in the mid fifties, so they're

757
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: probably going to be back in my clover and on

758
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: the winter oats and winter piece. Now on those cool nights,

759
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: they're still gonna eat soybeans. But you know, they're opportunistic,

760
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna hit a variety of forage types

761
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure I have as

762
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: much variety out there as I can and enough nutrition

763
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: to carry them into spring. Because you know, there's there's

764
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: nothing better than knowing when your doughs are pregnant that

765
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: they're healthy. And as the dough is healthy, it's when

766
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: when it gives birth to its fawns, she's gonna lactate

767
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: really well and the fawns are going to be healthy.

768
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: As a buck comes out of rut, you know, you've

769
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: got to make sure that on your farm, he's got

770
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: plenty of nutrition so his body is strong and healthy.

771
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: So when that antler growth begins, his body isn't trying

772
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: to grow antlers and replenish that body mass that he

773
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: had before the rut. If you can help maintain that

774
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: body mass, you know, and don't get me wrong, I

775
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: know they wear themselves out and they run themselves down,

776
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: But if you have the nutrition on your property to

777
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: help maintain that dear's body weight when he's going back

778
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: into the late winter spring antler growth and he's got

779
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: plenty of nutrition, uh, you know, he's his body is

780
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: able to really put an extra percentage in those antler

781
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: growth rather than just on the body weight. Yeah, let's

782
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: let's keep going down this road. Um. Because while people

783
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: certainly are still trying to get some hunting in over

784
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: the next month or so. Um. There's also a lot

785
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: of people whose seasons are wrapping up and the new

786
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: year is just a matter of days away. And at

787
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: least for me, this is that time of reflection and

788
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: looking back on the year and then planning for the

789
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: new year. So from a habitat and property management perspective,

790
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: how do you go about your doing this yourself or

791
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: recommend other people? Kind of auditing what they have as

792
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: they start planning out their plans for the new year. Um,

793
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: what's that look like for you as you as you

794
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: analyze things from the past and think through where we're going,

795
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: you know, in the coming six to twelve months. So

796
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I think the best time to do it while you're

797
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: it's when you're sitting out there in a tree stand

798
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: and you're observing your habitat and you're observing what the

799
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: deer like and what the deer don't. Um, you can

800
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: you can visualize because you know, with me, I hunt

801
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: several stand locations. So as I'm sitting in a tree stand,

802
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking around thinking thinking, man, I have got to

803
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: get more cover in this valley right here. So that's

804
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: in my mind, and maybe I'll pull my cell phone

805
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: out and make a note my Uh, the northeast valley

806
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: within our farm, I need to get in and do

807
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: some hinge cutting in January and February. Um. You know.

808
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: So as I'm on the tree stand, I'm thinking about

809
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: different things that I want to do on the farm. Now.

810
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: I will not start doing anything on the farm until

811
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: the last day of hunting season is over. If I

812
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: if I'm finished hunting for the year and I go

813
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: out and I start um doing hinge cutting or or

814
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: or making larger areas for my food plots or whatever,

815
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: there's a good chance I could push the deer off

816
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: the farm onto the neighbor's property during a hunting season

817
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: and they could end up killing deer that I wanted

818
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: to kill next year. And so I'm not going to

819
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: do anything on the farm until after January six here

820
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: in Indiana. That's just that's me. That's just what I do. UM.

821
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: If I go into the farm other than approaching a

822
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: tree stand right now, I'm always going in on an

823
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: a t V. And even when i'm I might be

824
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: changing a tree stand, I do that with the a

825
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: t V running. And I have found that that as

826
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: long as that, as long as there's a machine of

827
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: some sort, it doesn't seem to bother the deer that bad.

828
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: Now I'm not driving it through the batting areas or

829
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: my sanctuaries or anything like that. But when I'm going

830
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: around a farm to check trail cameras, or like last Sunday,

831
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: I moved a tree stand and and I left the

832
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: A t V running while I moved the tree stand.

833
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I don't think that. I don't

834
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: think that spooked the deer or pushed the deer off

835
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: or anything like that. So as I'm thinking about different

836
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: habitat improvements, I'm thinking about those when I'm sitting on

837
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: the on my tree stand, observing the habitat, thinking about

838
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: what I need to do, and maybe making notes on

839
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: on my cell phone or if you've got a little

840
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: notepad with you too, um, And then I'm thinking about

841
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: implementing those habitat improvements as starting as soon as I can,

842
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: as soon as hunting season is over. Now, if I'm

843
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: going to go out and start doing a lot of

844
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: hinge cutting or something like that, maybe I like to

845
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: do it when it's coover. So maybe I'll do it

846
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: in the winter. But um, you know, I'm not going

847
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: to be out there consistently making habitat improvements between January

848
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: and July, or or you're gonna there's just gonna be.

849
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: In my opinion, there's just gonna be a little too

850
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: much activity on the property. What do you recommend to

851
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: folks when it comes to trying to prioritize all these ideas?

852
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: Because someone could do what you subscribe, set up in

853
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: their tree throughout the fall, and they're thinking, they're, Okay, man,

854
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I wish I had more food here and be cool

855
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: to have a food plot there, and I need more

856
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: cover here, and maybe I can improve an access round

857
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: over here, and you know, YadA to YadA. There's a

858
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: thousand different things you could do. How do you recommend

859
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: someone prioritize, whether that be on a property they've been

860
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: working with for years, or maybe they just bought a

861
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: new farm, or they just picked a police and they're saying, Okay,

862
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: where do I start? So my suggestion is, what is

863
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: the number one limiting factor on your farm affecting your

864
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: dear herd? Is it food? Is it cover or is

865
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: it water? If you've got plenty of cover, but you're

866
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: limited on food, then I would focus on food. If

867
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: you've got plenty of food, Like on my farm, I've

868
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: got plenty of food because of of natural succession that

869
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: takes place in the four stand, A lot of my

870
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: betting areas have grown into are starting to grow back

871
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: into a two A four stand. So my focus this

872
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: year this winter will be improving the betting areas and

873
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: improving cover um And actually, uh here, as soon as

874
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: dear season is over, I'm actually getting ready to market

875
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: timber harvest onto my farm because we've got some areas

876
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: that are mature. I've got some white oak I'd like

877
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: to release for better acorn production, and so I'm going

878
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: to create betting areas through the timber harvest and also

879
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: help release some of the white ook get better white

880
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: oak acorn production. But if water is an issue on

881
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: your farm, then you know you might want to be

882
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: thinking about building a pond or creating some type of

883
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: a small wildlife pond on the property for water. But

884
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: but I would look at your property and ask yourself

885
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: what is the number one most limiting factor? Is it food,

886
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: is it cover, or is it water? Because any wildlife

887
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: species requires that those are the three main components of

888
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: habit that food, water, and shelter, and you've got to

889
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: have all three of them. Uh So if if if

890
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: you've got plenty of cover, but all your deer going

891
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: on to the neighbors to eat the food, I'd be

892
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: thinking about food. Um, you know, but if you've got

893
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: plenty of food but you're starting to lack cover and

894
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: you're finding that the deer are starting to bed on

895
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: your neighbors, then I would be thinking to do thinking

896
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: about habitat improvements to improve the cover. Does any of

897
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: that change if you have a really small property versus

898
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: a really large one? Um? Have you found that? Man,

899
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: when you've got those super small properties, X is particularly

900
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: important or no matter what, you're always gonna want to

901
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: look in an exam what that limiting factors? If you've

902
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: got a really really small property. I mean, you can

903
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: always put out some type of food source to at

904
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: least get a shot at a deer, you know too,

905
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: so they would come out of bedding cover or something

906
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: and just stand there a minute and feed. Uh But

907
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking at a really small property,

908
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: I think the key to that is going to be cover.

909
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because you have

910
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: and it's just my opinion, but you have an area

911
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: that a lot, say, if you have a large farm

912
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: around you and they've got all the habitat components you

913
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: can want, and there's a lot of guys hunting, those

914
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: deer are going to be searching for an area that's

915
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: small and isolated. Um. And you know, if they've got

916
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: just like that little three and half acre woods right

917
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: behind my house, if they've got a little area like

918
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: that that they can escape to, they're never pressured and

919
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: they've got cover and they like it there. You know,

920
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: if you can improve the cover on that property and

921
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: then and then hunt around that property in a way

922
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: to you know, because at some point the deer are

923
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: going to leave there to go to a food source. Um.

924
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, I think that would

925
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: be really important because you know, if you've got a

926
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: little ten or fifteen or twenty acre woods and you

927
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: really don't have any place to put food. Uh. You know,

928
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: even if you can't clear a little ridge top of

929
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: some kind of put in a clover plot or something

930
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: like that, you might be a little bit limited. So

931
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: the easiest thing you could do is to create cover

932
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: and and allow those deer sanctuary on that little fifteen

933
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: or twenty acres. So, so walk me through how you

934
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: would do that. And I know you alluded to some

935
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: of the stuff you're gonna do on your own farm.

936
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: What are your different tools for improving cover that that

937
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: you liked it to use or recommend your your clients use.

938
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: I know you do a lot with timber stand improvement.

939
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I've seen you talk about native grasses. I'd love to

940
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: hear you expand on some of those things. Okay, So

941
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: if you're talking if you have an area that is

942
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: would say, if you have twenty or forty acres of timber,

943
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: you know naturally your cover is going to be creating

944
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: a betting area within that twenty or forty acres um So,

945
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: as a forester, I don't want to ruin the the

946
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: quality of my forest stand because my goals are two fold.

947
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: My goals are growing timber for a revenue at some

948
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: point in time, but at the same time of my

949
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: goals are improved habitat excuse me. And so if my

950
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: goals are twofold like that, I'm gonna I'm gonna select

951
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: areas to go into. Say, for example, if I've got

952
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: the woods that it's just it just appears to be

953
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: pretty mature. It's ready for a timber sale, or or

954
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: it could have it could stand at timber harvest. I'm

955
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: going to go into that woods and I'm going to

956
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: select those areas that you know, I know are going

957
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: to provide a lot of cover really quick, maybe an

958
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: east or northeast or north facing slope, and I like

959
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: the toes of those small ridges, and I'm gonna go

960
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: in there and I'm gonna I'm gonna mark every single

961
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: three I can. Basically, you're making a small regeneration opening.

962
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: And depending on the size of the property, it could

963
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: be a half acre in size, it could be six

964
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: acres in size. Uh. And I'm going to take all

965
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: the timber out of there. And then once that timber

966
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: is removed, and I'm going to go in with timberstand

967
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: improvement and take out those trees that um that we

968
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: don't want to leave, um that the timber cell didn't remove.

969
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: So those will either cut those down to make as

970
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: large of an opening as we can, or we can

971
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: hinge cut some of those trees based on your management goals.

972
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Now I've cautioned people with the hinge cutting. I've been

973
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: on properties where people have gone in and done a

974
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: lot of hinge cutting, and and they didn't know their

975
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: tree species, and they've gone through and hinge cut all

976
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: the red oak and white oak, and they left a

977
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: bunch of poplar and soft maple and beech. Um. It

978
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: can be really discouraging when you see that um, you know,

979
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: so I would encourage your listeners to to get an

980
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: idea of the tree species or meat with a forester

981
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: or something when you go out. If you're thinking about

982
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: creating these betting areas using inge cutting and and hinge cut,

983
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: those tree species that you know are going to sprout well,

984
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: like a soft maple or beach or sassafras, hinge cut

985
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: those they're going to sprout back really well. And that

986
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: way you're not ruining the residual value or the future

987
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: value of your timberstand, but you're also creating habitat. And

988
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: so in those foested stand in those four stand areas,

989
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, once we once we have a timber harvest,

990
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: if it needs it, then we'll go back and do

991
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 1: timberstand improvement. Then we'll select those areas that we want

992
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: to do the hinge cutting on and I always select

993
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: those areas mark that that I know the deer already using.

994
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: If I've got a spot on my farm and I

995
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: know I've never seen those bed there, I've never seen

996
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: bucks bed there. I don't know why they just don't

997
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: like it. But I got another area on the other

998
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: side of this ridge where that seems like they always

999
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: want to bed and they always want to be there.

1000
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, if I've got an area like that, that's

1001
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: the area I want to improve because if i'm I'm

1002
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: if I'm improving their home, they're going to want to

1003
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: stay there. And so I would encourage people to kind

1004
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: of kind of look at that as well. And so

1005
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: so if you're if you're looking at forest and you

1006
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: can look at possible timber harvest and after the timber

1007
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: harvest to post harvest timber stand improvement and incorporate your

1008
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: hinge cutting after that. If you're looking at a forest

1009
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: stand that is a really young stand. Um. I looked

1010
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: at a track of timber for a client a few

1011
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: months ago, and once deer season is over, they're going

1012
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: to do the work. But I'm going back into their

1013
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: property and I'm going to flag all the all the

1014
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: young white oak and red oak trees to make because

1015
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: they could to make sure that they don't cut them.

1016
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: And then they're gonna they're gonna go through this stand

1017
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: of timber because it's full of of sycamore and soft

1018
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: maple and elm, and they're gonna do some hinge cutting

1019
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: pockets based on our map and our plan, but they're

1020
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: not going to hinge ut those future acorn producing trees.

1021
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: And so you know that's that's a particular property where

1022
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: there's not enough mature timber to have a timber cell.

1023
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: But they can go out on a couple of weekends

1024
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: in January and February and start doing some really good

1025
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: hinge cutting and which I think will improve the cover

1026
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: habitat on their property immensely. How big do you recommend

1027
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: those types of cover improvements be, whether it be a

1028
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: hinge cutting pocket or you know some of these other

1029
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: t s I type projects when you're trying to improve

1030
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: betting and wildlife cover. Is there a size of cat

1031
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't be any smaller than this, or it should be

1032
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: at least this big, or or is it just do

1033
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: whatever you can. I think it's based on your objectives

1034
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: for the farm. Um, if you have an eighty or

1035
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: a hundred or a hundred, twenty acres or anything larger

1036
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: than that. You know, there's nothing wrong with having a

1037
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: three to five to six or eight acre opening. You know,

1038
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: if you only own twenty acres, that's that's a pretty

1039
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: good size opening. But there's nothing wrong with it if

1040
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: your goal is cover and habitat. But what I like

1041
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: to do is I like to create a large opening,

1042
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: and I call that my dope betting areas. And then

1043
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: then what I'll do is I'll create a couple smaller openings,

1044
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: like a satellite. I call it a satellite opening, maybe

1045
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: just a few yards away from that dope bedding opening

1046
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: I made. And that smaller opening is going to be

1047
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: tailored to my buck betting UM and so I and

1048
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: it's just my choice to do that. UM. I really

1049
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: like UM too. I would like to go. I like

1050
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: to go into an area and create an area that

1051
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: I know the does are going to bed in UM.

1052
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: But I also want to create it in a fashion

1053
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: that I know, UM that I can hunt close to it.

1054
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: For example, on my farm, we've got a long ridge

1055
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: that runs through the farm, and and on the north

1056
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: side of that ridge is a valley um and that's

1057
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: where I'm going to focus part of my timber cell

1058
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: in that valley, because I know the dough like to

1059
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: go in that valley. But there's also a little pocket

1060
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: at the east end of that ridge that's got a

1061
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: bunch of small cedar and some small sassaf a cedar

1062
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: and percimmon at the end of that ridge. And the

1063
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: dough bed either on that on that north facing slope,

1064
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: or they bed on that west facing slope where the

1065
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: cover is. But that ridge right in the middle uh

1066
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: is where I come in from the east and I

1067
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: hunt that ridge because it's a it's it's a little

1068
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: bit more mature, it's got a lot of white oak

1069
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: on it, and the dough come in circle around that

1070
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: ridge and then go into their bedding areas when the

1071
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: wind is out of the west, and it's just a

1072
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: home run hunting area because the bucks just when the

1073
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: winds out of the west, they just come winding both

1074
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: of those bedding areas all the time. So I keep

1075
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: that ridge somewhat open. So that's a whole idea of

1076
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: a plan. You've got You don't want to just go

1077
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: out and start cutting things down. You've got to have

1078
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: a plan that this is a betting area and this

1079
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: is where I hunt. How am I going to approach

1080
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: it in the morning, How am I going to approach

1081
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: it in the evening with with certain type of wind directions?

1082
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: And you know that sometimes that just takes a little

1083
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: bit of time in a couple or a few years

1084
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: to learn that. And so, for example, on my farm,

1085
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to improve both of those betting areas, but

1086
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,959
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to do a lot on top

1087
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: of that ridge, and so my improvement might be through

1088
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: a timber harvest and then post harvest timber stand improvement,

1089
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: and then hinge cutting in the little area of where

1090
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: the cedar trees are. There's not We're not going to

1091
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: do a timber harvest in there, the timber is not

1092
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: mature enough. But I will go into where some of

1093
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: that poplar and soft maple and beach are and I

1094
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: will do quite a bit of hinge cutting in that

1095
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: area just to improve that spot. Back to that comment

1096
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: you made about how you'll make the larger openings for

1097
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: does and then you'll create these satellite openings um nearby

1098
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: for bucks. Is there any rhyme or reason to the

1099
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: orientation of where the dough betting area versus the buck

1100
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: betting is. I know some people propose something like this

1101
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: where they'll let's say you've got a food source. Let's

1102
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: say your proper is a four square, and let's say

1103
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: there's food on the south side, and will say they

1104
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: I've heard, will look at making your dough betting areas

1105
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: just north of that. So closest to the food would

1106
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: be your big opening for does, and then the buck

1107
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: betting might naturally be behind that. So further north of that,

1108
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: is that how you orient your satellite bedding from the

1109
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: main betting. Is it behind it? Or or does that

1110
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: not matter? What's your thought process there? Yeah, I like

1111
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: that approach, but I also base mine on topography. So

1112
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: let me let me walk you through a little scenario

1113
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: on my farm. So right in the middle of our

1114
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: our farm is is like a it's shaped like a

1115
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: dog's leg. It's almost l shaped. But right in the

1116
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: middle of the l at our farm actually gets narrow.

1117
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Right there, that's the narrowest portion. And so real close

1118
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: to that narrow portion is it's where the creek valley

1119
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: goes through. It's kind of low, it's almost like a bowl.

1120
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: It's very very difficult to hunt. Um, but that's where

1121
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: my food sources are. Okay, So you go from from

1122
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: that little bowl where my food plots are, and then

1123
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: you start going east east. Just adjacent to the food

1124
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: plots is a half acre pond, and then adjacent east

1125
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: of the half acre pond are my doll bedding areas.

1126
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: And then you go just a little bit east of

1127
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: that and you can get satellite spots where the bucks

1128
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: bed and then just east of that you get into

1129
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: a little more mature timber on our farm where we

1130
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of white oak and black oak, And

1131
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: so I can approach the farm to hunt with a

1132
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: west wind that if I approach it from the east,

1133
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: I never approached the farm and walk through that area

1134
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: going to my tree stand. And so to answer your question, yes,

1135
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: I would put those satellite those bucks satellite areas a

1136
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: little bit farther out, but I'm also not gonna put

1137
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: those satellite areas too close to the neighbor's property or

1138
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: too close to state land. And when I said that,

1139
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: I base it on topography. And this is just my

1140
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: experience as a forester, not a habitat manager or anything.

1141
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: My experience thirty years in the woods as a forester,

1142
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: I have found piles of not at the same time,

1143
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: but I've got piles of deer sheds in my pole barn.

1144
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: Where if you walk out a ridge and then drop

1145
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: off that ridge and get halfway down that ridge on

1146
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: that toe there, it seems like there's always a little

1147
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: bench right there. And that bench might be ten ft

1148
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: in diameter, it might be four feet in diameter, but

1149
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: it's a little spot. You go into those areas this

1150
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: time of year, or in January February their war flat,

1151
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: and that is where I always find sheds, and I

1152
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: call those buck benches. And so when I when I'm

1153
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: looking at a plan for a client, if I'm going

1154
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: to implement an opening for a dough betting area in

1155
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: this area, I'm gonna look topographically at those little toes

1156
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: where I know bucks have a tendency to bed and

1157
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: they like those areas because if somebody comes in from

1158
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: the top of the ridge, they have a quick escape

1159
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: group right down to the creek creek valley because they're

1160
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: halfway down already. If somebody comes in from the creek valley,

1161
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: they got as quick escape group right to the back

1162
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: to the top of the ridge. Um, so I'm going

1163
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: to try to improve those areas on the toes of

1164
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: those benches for the bucks because I know they're already

1165
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: betting there, and then and then create a larger betting

1166
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: area somewhere adjacent to the at for the does. But

1167
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't want any of those betting areas to be

1168
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: too close to the neighbors, because you know, once the

1169
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: neighbors find out that you have a lot of good habitat,

1170
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: you'll start seeing a lot of tree stands along your

1171
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: property line. Yeah. So how do you typically orient uh

1172
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: improvements in relation to that? Do you try to keep

1173
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: most improvements towards the center of a property? Um? There's

1174
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of different opinions on how you should create

1175
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: improvements to try to keep deer using parts of years

1176
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: while you know you can look at Some people say

1177
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: try to draw a deer from other people to yours.

1178
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: Some people will say put your best stuff in the center,

1179
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: So keep stuff in the middle. Is that overthinking things? Um?

1180
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on just orientation regards to

1181
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: property lines? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I've got my own

1182
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: opinion on that. I don't ever put food right next

1183
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: to my neighbors, that's for sure. You know, I'm not

1184
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: going to put a big clover plot in a big

1185
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: patch of eagle soybeans in October that are green right

1186
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: now my neighbor's property so much so they can kill

1187
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: my dear. Um. You know, sometimes if that's all you got,

1188
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: that's all you've got. But I I like to try

1189
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: to put as much cover as I can toward the

1190
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: middle of the property if if your property allows you

1191
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: to do that based on its topography or orientation, you know,

1192
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you've got to cover and you've

1193
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: got the betting um and you've got that sanctuary in

1194
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: the middle of your property, you know, you can always

1195
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: approach that property from different directions to hunt it. Um.

1196
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like it. I like it towards the

1197
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: middle of I mean, it doesn't have to You don't

1198
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: have to draw a circle and then put an extraw

1199
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: circle and put a dot in the middle of that

1200
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: X and say I have to have my cover here.

1201
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's based on your the aerial photo, and

1202
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: it's based on the topography of the of the property

1203
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: as well. Um. You know, you may have a small

1204
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: neck of the betting area based on the topography, that's

1205
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: going to be closer to the neighbor's property line. It's

1206
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: closer than you wanted to be. But based on based

1207
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: on the soils and based on the aspect or the

1208
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: direction that the ridge might be facing, or something that

1209
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: might be the best place for at that time. So UM,

1210
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, you you have to you have to look

1211
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: at it as a whole that way. But I do

1212
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: like to have as much cover as I can towards

1213
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: the center of my property. Yeah, now what about the

1214
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: flip side of this, um, where we we've just talked about,

1215
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, improving cover where there already is timber, where

1216
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: there already is some cover. But what about a situation

1217
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: where you've got wide open fields and you want to

1218
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: create cover. Um, this this is exactly what I was

1219
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: dealing with on the back forty property where you came

1220
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: out and helped us select some trees that we can

1221
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: start planning throughout that. UM. I want to dive into

1222
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of things related to that, but I guess

1223
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: at a high level, if you had what we had,

1224
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: which was a farm with about half the acreage in

1225
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: these old farm fields and they were covered previously and

1226
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: mostly in Mayor's tale. So an invasive weed that was

1227
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: providing very little food or cover. Um. Then we had

1228
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: to start trying to transform those old fields into something

1229
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: that would work for us. What would your what would

1230
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: your take be on how to do that? Um? I

1231
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: tried some things and and some of it worked. But

1232
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm curious now if that was your place and you

1233
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: had five years or whatever to start trying to transform that,

1234
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: what would what avenue would you have taken? So when

1235
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: you're talking to agg fields and cover, you know, because

1236
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: when we when we talk about cover, we want for

1237
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 1: our deer in the wintertime, we'd like to have good

1238
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: thermal cover. So you know, if you dropped to the

1239
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: ground on your knees and and picture a deer laying down, Um,

1240
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: are they going to be out of the wind? Uh?

1241
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: And are they going to be protected from the wind? Um?

1242
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: That's why some sometimes it's inside the woods. That's why

1243
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: timber harvesting can be good because you know they'll bed

1244
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: in those old tree tops right up against the an

1245
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: old piece of log that was left out in the woods,

1246
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, and the wind is off their back. But

1247
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 1: when you get into an area where you know you

1248
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of timber cover, and you're you

1249
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: have a heavy field component, then you need to be

1250
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: looking at native grasses. If if what you're looking for

1251
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: is cover, Now you can always plant a mix of

1252
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: grasses and pollinators. UM and if here's another caveat to this,

1253
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: and I've done this for a client up in UH

1254
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: north central Indiana and it worked out really well. He planted, UH,

1255
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: they planted several acres of native grasses. The deer were

1256
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: using it, but he couldn't get the deer to come

1257
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: farther onto his farm because they love the native grasses.

1258
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 1: So what we did is we actually planted a travel

1259
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: corridor of mixed evergreens. So we planted a mix of

1260
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,440
Speaker 1: white pine and northern white cedar between the native grasses

1261
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: and between his farm where we did the timber sail

1262
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: and the hinge cutting. And you cannot believe how that

1263
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: turned out to be a highway for deer. They would

1264
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: bed in those prairie grasses, but they would use that

1265
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: travel because other than that, they didn't have any way

1266
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: to get from the prairie grasses a quarter of a

1267
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: mile back to his farm. UM for some wooded cover

1268
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: and the food. And so we we planted that mix

1269
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: of evergreens as a travel cord or between the native

1270
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: grasses and where the food and the and the wooded

1271
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: cover or the forested cover was, and it turned out

1272
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: just outstanding. So I think a good mix of native

1273
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: grass cover UH for a betting area as well as

1274
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: some type of tree planting, especially with evergreens to use

1275
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: as a travel corridor um you know, is really good.

1276
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: You can also mix some shrubs in there, because you know,

1277
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: shrubs will grow anywhere from three to four ft high

1278
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: to fifteen ft high, but they're really bushy and they

1279
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: provide a lot of cover. The drawback with some of

1280
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: the evergreens like pine or to draw back if you

1281
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: just did a general tree planting is at some point

1282
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: in time, the crown is going to be higher than

1283
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: the ground and so you've lost that thermal cover. And

1284
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: that's why the prairie grasses are so good, and that's

1285
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: why the shrubs are good because you still have that

1286
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: cover from five ft up in the air down to

1287
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: the ground that's protecting those deer from the wind. Yeah,

1288
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned those travel corridors that you planted um in

1289
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: pines for that one client. If if I were trying

1290
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: to create something like that where I wanted to direct

1291
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: deer travel across some kind of opening, and and we're

1292
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: going to use some type of ever green component. What's

1293
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: the size? What was the orient Haitian? As far as

1294
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: planting those trees? Was it two rows of pines? Was

1295
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: it you know, fifty yards wide or ten yards wide?

1296
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: Or how did you actually make it so that it

1297
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: was big enough for deer to feel comfortable but still

1298
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: funnel them in that way? And how long did it

1299
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: take for those trees to get big enough to to

1300
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: provide that cover? So we actually used just the bare

1301
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: root ceilings and used my tree senter. Uh but I

1302
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: mean because you know, we were going feet so I mean,

1303
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: if you were going to use container trees, you'd have

1304
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: been shelling out a lot of money because that would

1305
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: have been a lot of trees. So what we did

1306
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: is and you have to basing on what you know.

1307
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: He he was allowed uh thirty or fifty feet because

1308
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: he didn't he himself didn't own that portion that we

1309
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: planted it on. It was on the family farm, and

1310
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: they said, okay, we'll let you put a travel corridor

1311
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: in there a thirty five feet or something like that

1312
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: because they wanted to continue farming the rest of the field.

1313
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: Basic basically glue, we took thirty or forty ft of

1314
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: their indrows. And so what we did is we planted

1315
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: a mix of white pine and northern white cedar, and

1316
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: they were barroots seedlings, um. And we planted those ten

1317
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: ft apart between trees, and then we did eight ft

1318
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: between rows, and then the next row we staggered. So basically,

1319
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: if you have one row of trees where the trees

1320
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: are ten ft apart, the next row of trees eight

1321
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: or ten ft over, you're gonna plant those trees in

1322
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: those gaps. So you so basically the trees are staggered,

1323
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: and we did that for four rows. So you've got

1324
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: one row of trees, you're offsetting an eight or ten

1325
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: ft and you're planting another row of trees, but you're

1326
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,839
Speaker 1: not lining those trees up. You're planting them in those gaps.

1327
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: And and then then you then the third row you're

1328
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: planting the same as the first row, or maybe just

1329
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: offset just a little bit um. And they were bare

1330
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: roots seedlings. But to be quite honest with you, be

1331
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: cause because they hadn't farmed it, and because the trees

1332
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: were there, and because weeds were starting to grow between

1333
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: the tree rows, deer started using it the first year

1334
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: because you know, you're going to get weeds in between

1335
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: those tree rows, and so you've you've you've still got

1336
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of native natural cover there because maybe

1337
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: you've got some ragweed or some mary's tail coming in

1338
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: between the three rows that are three and four ft tall.

1339
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: But within you know, within five years, these trees were

1340
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: four to five ft tall. And I mean that, I

1341
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: mean the rubs on some of those trees were quite phenomenal.

1342
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean it was even even my client was was surprised.

1343
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: He just couldn't believe how well that worked. And so yeah,

1344
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean it it it can be, it can be done.

1345
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: And there again, you know, if you don't want to

1346
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: plant all evergreen, you can always plant shrubs. But if

1347
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: you just keep in mind, if you plant like a

1348
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: native hard with like a white out black oak or

1349
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: red oak, at some point in time, the limbs are

1350
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: going to be six or eight feet off the ground

1351
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: and you're you're gonna lose that cover. Um, So you know,

1352
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: I would plant something that you have cover all the

1353
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: way to the ground because that helps the deer feel safe. Yeah,

1354
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: so when we met up this summer, you would walk

1355
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: to me through a handful of different things to be

1356
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: thinking about when trying to plant these evergreens. UM, just

1357
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that they took well. And you mentioned

1358
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: some of it as far as you know your spacing

1359
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: between trees. But for those that want to plant trees

1360
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: like this to improve cover in certain places, can you

1361
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: walk us through some basics of of the right way

1362
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: to do it, the right time to do it, um,

1363
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: any other specifics as far as getting these things in

1364
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: the grounds that they will take and last and perform

1365
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: the function we want them to. So you want to

1366
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: make sure that the trees you plant are healthy, so

1367
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: you want to make sure you get them from a

1368
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: good source. And in Indiana we are they bless the

1369
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: Indiana Division of Forestry. We have a we have a

1370
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: tree nursery. It's actually five miles from my house. And

1371
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: I actually went to Produe with the guys who actually

1372
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: run the nursery now. But Bob and Rob absolutely do

1373
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: an outstanding job of growing the seedlings that the state sells,

1374
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: and so I know when I buy the seedlings from

1375
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: blown the nursery there in southern Indiana. They're going to

1376
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: be good and they're going to be healthy. And so

1377
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: they actually pull those trees out of the beds this

1378
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: time of year right up to the point where the

1379
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: ground freezes because the trees are dormant. And then then

1380
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,839
Speaker 1: they put them in mulch and wrap them in bundles

1381
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: of a hundred and they put some water in the mulch,

1382
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: and then they keep them in coolers. Uh. And that

1383
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: keeps the trees dormant. And you want to plant the

1384
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: trees in the spring as early as you can when

1385
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: the ground is not frozen. So we depending on the

1386
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: soil temperatures, and depending on the conditions of the ground,

1387
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: we'll start planting trees anywhere from you know, the middle

1388
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: of March and will continue planting all the way up

1389
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: until uh, you know, middle of May, one of June.

1390
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: You know, you get into an area that's river bottoms

1391
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: that goes underwater a lot, those are going to be

1392
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: a little bit later planting, because I would rather plant

1393
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: a tree in a flood zone a little bit later

1394
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: than I would too early, because it's really hard on

1395
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: the trees when they go underwater. So if you know,

1396
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: if the listeners out there have areas that are in floodplains,

1397
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: you know, don't I wouldn't hesitate to plant those trees

1398
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: a little bit later, um rather than rather than too early,

1399
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: because when they go underwater like that, it can it

1400
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: can be a little bit hard on them because you

1401
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: don't want your tree standing in water. And there's some

1402
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: areas that you know, they just flood and that's going

1403
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: to happen. The second thing is you want to really

1404
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: make sure you select the trees that you're going to

1405
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,480
Speaker 1: plant based on your soil types. Uh. You know, if

1406
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: you're planting on a a drier area and you want

1407
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: to plant hardwoods that you don't want to plant a

1408
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: bottom bottom land hardwood like a swamp white oak or

1409
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: a swamp chestnut oak. You're going to want to plant

1410
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: a regular white oak or regular red oak because they

1411
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, because they're used to those soil types, those

1412
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: drier soil types. But there again, if you're planting in

1413
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: wet areas that flood, you want to make sure that

1414
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: the tree species you're planting can handle being in water

1415
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time. So in those flood zones,

1416
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna plant something like bald cypress or

1417
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: or swamp white oak or swamp chestnut oak or shumart

1418
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: oak one of those uh native a native species to

1419
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: your state that can grow well in those in those

1420
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: soil conditions. Um. But and then uh, you know, once

1421
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: once you pick the trees up, if you can get

1422
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,520
Speaker 1: them in the ground as soon as you can, um,

1423
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: that's always good. Because you know, when we open a

1424
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: bundle of trees, the roots are cold from being in

1425
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: the from being in the coolers, and so it's going

1426
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: to take a little time for that seedling for those

1427
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 1: roots to warm them up once it goes into the ground.

1428
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,759
Speaker 1: And that's okay because that's just that's just a natural

1429
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: time frame for the tree to come out of dormancy. UM.

1430
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I don't suggest we don't plant trees

1431
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: in the fall uh at all, because are the success

1432
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: of fall plantings is not nearly as good as spring

1433
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: plantings because you don't have the rain. You'd like to

1434
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: get some moisture on those trees before that ground freezes.

1435
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: And if you if you do a fall planting and

1436
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: it's dry and you haven't had much rainfall, and then

1437
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: we get a really early cold winter, you could end

1438
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: up having some root damage due to frost heave or

1439
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: frost or freezing or something of that nature, because the

1440
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: trees haven't had time to expand that new root system

1441
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: to really get established. So the springtime is usually the

1442
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: best time to plant them. Now, if it's a small

1443
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: planting and you can get a two gallon tank and

1444
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: go out and water, and you know, there's nothing wrong

1445
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: with planting them late in the spring in the early summer.

1446
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 1: You just have to make sure that you know you

1447
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: can get water to them, because I mean, my wife

1448
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: and I planted some around the house um this past

1449
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: summer and they were late planting. But you know, I've

1450
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: got a couple two d gallon tanks and and we

1451
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: have a water source there in town where the farmers

1452
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: and go and get water at the county water treatment facility,

1453
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I would just go in a couple

1454
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: of evenings when it got hot and we got the

1455
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: trees water and they were going to turn out fine.

1456
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: So but springtime is usually the best time to plant.

1457
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any preferred species when you're trying I

1458
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: know you mentioned evergreen, and you mentioned a couple that

1459
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: you used on that client's um. But as far as

1460
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: cover producing trees, So most of these evergreens, um, are

1461
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: there any that do particularly well as far as the

1462
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: amount of you know, actual cover they provide, or their

1463
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: resistance to deer wining to browse on them or anything

1464
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: like that. Cover wise, you know, if you're wanting trees

1465
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: or shrubs for for a really good thermal cover, then

1466
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: you know you want to you want to really look

1467
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: at something that's gonna have that's gonna provide branching all

1468
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: the way to the ground. And that's why you know,

1469
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: some of the shrubs are really good. Something like hazel

1470
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: nuts really good because it's it's just it has a

1471
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: tendency to grow into the just a thick shrub and

1472
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: plus they they produce mass of fruit, so you know

1473
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: that's a really good one. UM. And then uh, you know,

1474
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: I like I like white pine, but you have to

1475
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: be careful with white pine because everybody wants to prune

1476
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: the branches so they can mow around the base of them,

1477
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: and then you look at them five years later and

1478
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: the branches are seven feet off the ground. So I

1479
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: mean the key to that is, you know, you want

1480
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 1: to keep the branches as low as ground as possible. Um.

1481
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: Norway spruce is a good one that I have planted

1482
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: a lot of. UM. That's a really good evergreen that

1483
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: the limbs grow right down to the ground. And again

1484
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,839
Speaker 1: you don't want to prune those limbs next to the ground. UM.

1485
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: And I honestly I've been planting some green giant arbor

1486
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: vite Um. You know, they're not necessarily it's more of

1487
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: a landscape tree, but boy, it sure provides really quick

1488
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: wind cover. And you know that that it's it's a

1489
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: it's very cone shaped, very conical shaped. Uh. And they'll

1490
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: grow fifteen feet wide and twenty feet tall UM. And

1491
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: they grow very fast. If you plant them on the

1492
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: right side, they'll grow three to five ft per year.

1493
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: The ones I've planted around our house when we built

1494
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen are already seven ft tall UM.

1495
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: So I mean they'll grow very fast. I don't recommend

1496
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: you plant the whole travel corridor or the whole cover

1497
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: area to those. I always like like to see a mix.

1498
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: And the reason you want to mix your tree species

1499
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 1: up is say, for example, if you plant all white

1500
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: pine or you plant all white oak, and you get

1501
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 1: a disease in that planting it's going to wipe out

1502
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: the whole planting and then you're gonna have nothing. And

1503
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: so you don't want just a monoculture of trees. You

1504
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: want a good variety. So you know, you might plant

1505
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: and mix a northern white ceedar white pine and and

1506
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: uh green giant arbor bide and then throw in some

1507
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: uh some hazel nut or some crab apple with those.

1508
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 1: You know, so you you ay, you've got really good

1509
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: foraging opportunities for variety of wildlife species. Plus you're providing

1510
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: a corridor or plus with some with some good thermal cover.

1511
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: You you describe some of the things that are exactly

1512
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 1: what we tried to do um on our property and

1513
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 1: in mostly because of your recommendations as far as providing

1514
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 1: that diversity and species, and we ended up doing these

1515
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: clusters of four or five tree ease and somewhere those

1516
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: are provieties somewhere white pines, somewhere uh spruce and and

1517
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: I think one of the other things is that you're

1518
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna get different types of use by wildlife with them too.

1519
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: And some you know, dear will rub on, some deer won't.

1520
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: So in our cases, I've already seen a couple that

1521
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: got rubbed up. Um, And I'm glad we didn't plant

1522
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: all of our trees in that species because we might

1523
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 1: have been in trouble. Um. But what about in relation

1524
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: to that, what about protecting some of these things? Just

1525
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: should someone be caging these trees early on, uh, to

1526
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: avoid that issue of either browse pressure or deer rubbing

1527
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: them up and killing them anything like that. Yeah, you know,

1528
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: depending on how long your travel corridor is, or you know,

1529
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: if you're creating a bedding area, you know, and it

1530
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: depends on how many trees you have, it might be

1531
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: a situation where, um, for the first two or three years,

1532
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: you may want to just take that like either electric

1533
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: tape with a so or power source and and just

1534
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: almost fence the whole area off to try to keep

1535
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: deer out of it, to keep them from browsing the

1536
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: trees and to keep them from rubbing them in the fall.

1537
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: Or if you know, if you've got a small enough area,

1538
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: you can always fence to cage the trees. So, for example,

1539
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: I've planted a lot of orchard plantings for clients, and

1540
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 1: with when you're planting orchards, the deer love to browse

1541
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: them and the bucks love to rub them because they're

1542
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: aromatic and it's soft wood, and it's just a great

1543
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to destroy a tree when a buck is in rut.

1544
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 1: And so we I actually use like a mesh wire

1545
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: or fencing, so to speak, and and wrap that tree. Basically,

1546
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: if you plant put a tree in the ground, UM,

1547
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: then I'm going to build a small fence around that

1548
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: tree so the tree can continue to grow. But at

1549
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: the same time I'm able to keep the deer off

1550
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: of it. So you know, I want to do more

1551
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: than just just fence off the the stem of the tree.

1552
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm fencing off, especially with pine trees or with fruit trees.

1553
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm fencing off if that tree. If the diameter of

1554
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: the tree is safe, for example two ft, I'm fencing

1555
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: off a four ft area just to keep the deer

1556
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: off of it. This topic that you brought up of

1557
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: the orchard trees beast producing trees, I've seen some videos

1558
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: of you talking through different ideas around that, and that's

1559
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: something I've not done but always thought I should. I've

1560
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: just been intimidated by UM how you have to do

1561
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: these different types of pruning, and there's certain times of

1562
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: the year and you gotta do that right, and I

1563
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: just have never went through with it because I just

1564
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: haven't committed. Um, that's probably mistake I realized, because the

1565
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: best time to plan a tree was yesterday or ten

1566
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 1: years ago. But can you walk me through some of

1567
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: your dues and don't when it comes to planning, you know,

1568
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: apple trees or other soft masked um stuff like that

1569
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: in addition to what you just described about the cajing.

1570
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: So with fruit trees, UM, you've got to start with

1571
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: the site. The key to fruit trees is you want

1572
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: to make sure that the morning sun can get to

1573
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: those trees as soon as it comes up, or as

1574
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: soon as possible, because the hardest thing on the fruit

1575
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: tree is if that morning dew stays on those leaves

1576
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: and on those stems um way into the day, because

1577
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: that's how you start getting the fungal diseases that are

1578
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: so prevalent and can kill fruit trees. And so you know,

1579
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: if you're if you have a have a ridge top

1580
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: that's open and you've got and the wind can get

1581
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: to it and the sun can get to it, that's great.

1582
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: If you're in a shaded valley and the sun doesn't

1583
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: get down there until noon or one o'clock. I would

1584
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: not even consider planting fruit trees in that shaded valley. Um,

1585
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: I think you would end up having disease issues. Now

1586
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you can try it and you might

1587
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: have success with it, that's great, But if I'm going

1588
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: to provide that service for a client, that's not an

1589
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: area I'm gonna select. So site is very important. So

1590
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: you can get the wind to them to keep the

1591
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: leaves dry, and you get sun to them as early

1592
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: as you can in the morning. And I like to

1593
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: use container trees with when I'm planting an orchard, just

1594
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,799
Speaker 1: because you're gonna start getting fruit so much sooner. Um,

1595
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: So I'll buy container trees. And I mean honestly, you know,

1596
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: if the tree looks if you go to any of

1597
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: these farm stores like Real King or Tractors, supply they

1598
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: have them in the spring. You know, if the roots

1599
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: system looks good, look at the roots system, look at

1600
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 1: the stem of the tree to make sure that doesn't

1601
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: have a bunch of damage or or cuts or scars

1602
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: on it. And then look at the crown of the tree.

1603
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 1: You know, especially in the spring. Yeah, when you're getting

1604
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: ready to plant the trees, if they those buds are

1605
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: getting fat, you know that that's going to be a

1606
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: healthy tree. So so be selective on which trees you

1607
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: pick out, and then you want a good mix of them.

1608
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna plant ten trees, I'm gonna plant

1609
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: maybe two or three apple trees, a couple of pear trees,

1610
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: a couple of plum trees, and maybe a peach tree.

1611
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: And the whole idea of that is each tree is

1612
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: gonna flower or bloom differently, and so you really want

1613
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: a good mix of blooms. So these trees can cross pollinates.

1614
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: So so the bees and the pollinators that are coming

1615
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: in to pollinate these trees are just flying all around

1616
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: these trees um pollinating. So you can get good fruit production.

1617
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: Because you know, if you if all you do is

1618
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: go out and plant, say, for example, in Arkansas, apple trees,

1619
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: and you plant ten of those, and you know they

1620
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: produce quite a few flowers, but not a lot, you

1621
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: may not be able to attract the pollinators that you want.

1622
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: But if you go in and plant crab, apple and

1623
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: plum with those apple trees, crab apples really flour, plums

1624
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: really flower and and they really smell nice. And that's

1625
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 1: really going to attract the butterflies and the bees, which

1626
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 1: is going to draw the butterflies and the bees to

1627
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: your apple trees, which is really going to help with pollination.

1628
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 1: And so I like a good mix of fruit trees

1629
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: like that, and you want to plan them in a

1630
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: situation in a in a in a manner in which

1631
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: you know they have plenty of room to grow. I

1632
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: plan them twenty to thirty ft apart, because once you

1633
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: know the first two to three years of planting a tree,

1634
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: that after you put a tree in the ground in

1635
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: the first two or three years, it's going to maximize

1636
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: its root growth. You're gonna get some crown growth, but

1637
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: it's really going to put a lot of energy into

1638
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: those roots because it has to have a foundation to

1639
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: hold up that tree, and so you don't really want

1640
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: that tree to put it on a lot of new

1641
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: growth that first year. So when you put the tree

1642
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: in the ground and you plant it, you want to

1643
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: prune that tree back and then you want all that

1644
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: new year's that first two to three years of growth

1645
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: go into that root system. And so you know, once

1646
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: that root system takes off, you'll you'll see after year

1647
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: three or four that the crown of that tree will

1648
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: just really take off and you don't really have to

1649
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: worry about other than when you first plant that tree,

1650
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: you don't really have to worry about pruning it for

1651
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, maybe another five or six years. Now you

1652
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: can just you can just let it, let it grow,

1653
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 1: unless it's unless it's a tree that's been there five

1654
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: or six years and you're really starting to get a

1655
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: lot of branches crossing each other and you're getting some wounds,

1656
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: then you need then you might want to talk about pruning.

1657
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: But you know, pruning is important on the fruit trees,

1658
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: but you know, if you don't have time to do it,

1659
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 1: keep in mind their fruit trees for deer. You know,

1660
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 1: you're not you're not an apple orchard where you're selling

1661
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the apples. If you don't have time to do it,

1662
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: then you don't have time to do it. And and

1663
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: the nice thing about fruit trees are you know, it's

1664
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily an essential, but it's just another attractive

1665
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: food source that a mass producing food food source that

1666
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: deer like. I love per symmetries, dear love per symmetries,

1667
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: and I like the fruit trees we have on the farm.

1668
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: You know, some years are really going to produce well.

1669
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: But if we end up getting a late frost some years,

1670
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to prouce that produce that well at all.

1671
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:31,440
Speaker 1: I saw somewhere where you're talking about a really interesting

1672
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: way to get double duty out of your orchards, where

1673
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: you were prescribing the idea of planting soybeans around your

1674
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: orchard trees too. So rather than have just a bunch

1675
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 1: of weeds growing up in all that open space between

1676
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: your rows, you were actually no till planting beans in there.

1677
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: Can you describe that idea and when or why that'd

1678
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: be appropriate? Sure? So, you want to maximize as much

1679
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: land as you can. You know, when when you first

1680
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: plant the your fruit orchard, you know the trees are

1681
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 1: twenty ft apart or maybe even thirty ft apart, because

1682
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: you want to give them plenty of room to grow.

1683
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Uh So in order to rather than just going down

1684
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: through there three times a year in mowing it, you

1685
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: might might as well utilize that space. So I've got

1686
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of clients in particular that we

1687
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: planted fruit orchards on and then I just I know,

1688
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: till the soybeans right between the tree rows. Um and

1689
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 1: it's and we just we just and yeah, A that

1690
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: provides a really good forage opportunity and be that you're

1691
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: maximizing your land value that way. Now, one thing we

1692
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: don't do is is I don't go through with a

1693
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: tiller or with a disk or a plow and and

1694
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: do any kind of tillage between those fruit trees because

1695
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to damage the roots. But I'm not

1696
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: afraid to pull a no tail drill through because you

1697
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: know that no tail drill is only going down a

1698
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: half inch or an inch, and so you're not damaging

1699
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: the fruit trees that way. The other thing you have

1700
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: to be careful about when you're planting soybeans between fruit

1701
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: trees is fruit trees are very susceptible to herbicide drift.

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01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 1: And so if you're using you around up ready soybean

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01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: and you plant your soybeans between your fruit trees, you've

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01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: got to make sure that your herbicide application and the

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01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: nozzles you are using on your spray equipment are are

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01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: our nozzles to where you don't get a lot of drift.

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01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: So uh, I use an air induction nozzle on my

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01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: spray applicators on my spray applications, it produces a larger droplet,

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01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: so I get considerably less drift. But when that that

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01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: that herbicide mixes with the air inside that nozzle, and

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01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: so the larger droplet when it hits the leaf of

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01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 1: the plant that you're spraying or the weeds that you're spraying,

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01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,440
Speaker 1: it kind of splatters. So your coverage and your application

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01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: rate is the same, but your particle size coming out

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01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: of the nozzle is the larger, so you don't get

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01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 1: near the drift. And so I have to be real

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01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: careful when I spray the soybeans close to those fruit

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01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: trees that my wind direction is appropriate. And the other

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01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: thing mark that I never do is I never use

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01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: a two four D based product close to the fruit trees,

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01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: or you will kill the fruit trees because two four

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01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 1: D volatilizes really quickly, and those fruit trees will suck

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01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: that volatilized herbicide gas right into those stillmata in the

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01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: leaves of the fruit trees and you can get some

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01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: really quick herbicide damage. So you have to be really

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01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: careful of doing that. But it it There's not a

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01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: thing wrong with utilizing your land in a way to

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01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,799
Speaker 1: where you know, we've got a new fruit tree planting. Um,

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01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: but now we also have planted soybeans between the fruit trees.

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01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: You know, the other thing you can do is plant

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01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 1: clover between the fruit trees and you don't have to

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01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: worry so much about her side application. And you've still

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01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 1: maximized your land value by providing food in the way

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01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: of clover, but also food in the way of the

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01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: fruit production from the fruit trees. Yeah, yeah, that makes

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01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Uh. Well, we are running out

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01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: of time here, um, so I wanna I want to

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01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: wrap us up, but I want to give you a

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01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 1: chance to to get across any one single most important

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01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: idea maybe that you have in your mind. Um, And

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01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: I want to pose this to you in an interesting

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01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: question and see where you take it. Mom, if I

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01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 1: gave you a billboard on the side of the highway

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01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: and said you could put whatever message you wanted on

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01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: that billboard for hunters to see and for land managers

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01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: to see. Um, what would that message be that you

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01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 1: would want everyone driving by to be reminded of and

1748
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: to keep in mind? You did you you'd have to

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01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: throw one at the has to makes me think for

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01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: a minute, and you know, we gotta we gotta close

1751
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 1: with a thinker and feel free to take your time

1752
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: and um, you know this this could be short and sweet,

1753
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: or if you want, this could be a very small,

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01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: font long message on them on the billboard. But um,

1755
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, is there any one thing that you think

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01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: that everyone needs to be reminded of or something you're

1757
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: really passionate about that I want to make sure we

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: we convey before we wrap this up. I I always

1759
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: lean to the first question I asked landowners. You know,

1760
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I think that billboard I could see, I could picture

1761
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: it with some deer out in right next to woods,

1762
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 1: or feeding in a food pot or something like that,

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01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: and I think I would have it say what is

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01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 1: the number one limiting factor affecting your dear herd food?

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01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: It's a cover as it shelter, you know. I think

1766
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: we get caught up way too much in I didn't

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01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: put enough supplement out, or I don't have enough or

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01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: or I didn't plant the right clover, or I didn't

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01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 1: plant the right food plot. I really like to look

1770
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:16,440
Speaker 1: at um at at the habitat management from the standpoint

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01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: of here's my property. What is what am I limited

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01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: on on this property? For my dear to be healthy. Um.

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01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if if there's one other message I'd

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01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: like to express to your listeners is um, if you

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01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: can on your property, look at the year round nutrition,

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01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, and year round nutrition for your dear may

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01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: not just be food plots. It could be early successional

1778
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: food types, uh, you know, like that you that can

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01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: be created from either a prescribed fire or from uh

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01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: from a timber harvest, by creating those forest openings, uh,

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01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, or by providing a really nice edge along

1782
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: a woodline that isn't just a really sharp edge you know,

1783
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: has got a lot of native forage for the deer.

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01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 1: You know, because when those early successional species come into

1785
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: a forest floor, whether it's the vegetative or whether it's

1786
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: the woody brows, you know that there's a lot of

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01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: nutrition there. And and sometimes I think we have a

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01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: tendency to miss that because we're so focused on trying

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01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 1: to create a food plot or a food source when sometimes,

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01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 1: you know, God provides us a really good food source

1791
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: right out there. All we have to do is put

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01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: some sunlight into the woods. Yeah. It's a great point

1793
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: and easy to uh, easy to lose sight of that.

1794
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: With this sometimes uh more fancy options, but you don't wanna,

1795
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: don't want to miss out on what's already there, Rob.

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01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: This is uh this has been fun, has been really

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01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: interesting and as I'm planning out my two thousand twenty

1798
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: one ideas, this is definitely gonna help me out. For

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01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: people that want to learn more from you or get

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01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: ahold of youa to do some work maybe, or or

1801
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: talk about properties. Where can they where can they find

1802
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: all that stuff? How can they get ahold of you? Uh?

1803
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Then get ahold of me through my website, uh Rob

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01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 1: at Hobbury Forestry dot com, h A U B r

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01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: y forrestry dot com. Um, you know so um And

1806
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: if if for some reason they can't find that, they

1807
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: can always contact me through white Tail Properties dot com

1808
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: and click on the state of Indiana and it will

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01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: show all the agents. Uh so um that that's the

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01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: easiest way to get ahold of men, you know. And

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01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 1: some of the YouTube videos and things that white Tail

1812
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: Property is done on our land beat episodes. I've had

1813
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people email me through the through those

1814
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: and you know, don't hesitate to shoot me in the

1815
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: email and ask me a question and I'll answer it.

1816
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: As soon as I can. I will admit there there

1817
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: there's every now and then I'll go through a really

1818
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: busy time where you know, it might take me a

1819
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,879
Speaker 1: day or two to get it to get an email answered.

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01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: Uh so uh but yeah, I will do my best

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01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: to get everybody's email answered as soon as I can.

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01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: But that's probably marked the best way to reach me

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01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: perfect Well. I certainly appreciate rob your wealth of knowledge

1824
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: and uh and I appreciate your help not just now

1825
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,679
Speaker 1: but also the summer helping us pick those perfect trees

1826
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: for our situation. And uh and I just want to

1827
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: thank you for for all the above. I appreciate it. Yeah,

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01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: you're very welcome. Appreciate you're very welcome, and I appreciate

1829
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: you having me on Mark. And it's always a good

1830
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: time to try to help educate people. And keep in mind,

1831
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't have a pH d or

1832
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: anything like that. A lot of what I've done and

1833
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: and some of my successes have just been through trial

1834
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 1: and error. So I appreciate you having me on. Hey,

1835
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: you're very welcome, and that trial and error that that's

1836
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: the best education you can get. As far as I'm concerned,

1837
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: that is true, all right, and that's a rap. Thanks

1838
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: for tuning in. I hope you'll learn something from this one.

1839
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna head into the new year here very soon,

1840
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,719
Speaker 1: and um, like I mentioned at the top, it's gonna

1841
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 1: be a good year, guys. Let's make that happen, and

1842
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick it off with some good episodes year

1843
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks and months as we build out

1844
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:07,600
Speaker 1: new ideas, new plans, new goals and projects for for

1845
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: a new season. Because this stuff never ends, right, we

1846
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: we just keep going and going. It's a year run project.

1847
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: But this is that point to kind of reset, So uh,

1848
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 1: enjoy a little time off, hopefully, get your mind right,

1849
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: and get ready for a big year. Thanks for listening,

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01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.