1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 2: It is vertical Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: and center. I hate it when I mean, we have 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: to admit so often that we were just absolutely right 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: in predicting something. And sure enough, now the White House 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: is hunkered down going through long lists of pardons and 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: letting the American people know you should expect more pardons 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: before we leave office. 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: Well, this week we were struck with the stunning news 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: that the White House has announced verdict with Ted Cruz. 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: Wednesday pod was exactly entirely, one hundred percent accurate that 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 3: every word we said. And by the way, if you 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: didn't listen to Wednesday's pod, you should listen to Wednesday's 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 3: pod because we predicted. We said that the left wing 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: media and Democrats were pressing Joe Biden to issue a 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: ton more pardons, to pardon the rest of his family, 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: to pardon members of his administration and now, and we said, look, 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: that's the direction they're going. And seemingly in response to 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: our podcast, the White House immediately came out and said 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 3: expect more pardons, and we're seeing a list of people 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: now that they are contemplating pardoning. 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So 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 2: we talked about this two days ago, and as you said, 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: I'll say it again. Go back if you missed that 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: podcast and listen to it, because we talked about this 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: idea that was really coming out of the White House 71 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: that they wanted to expand the list to people that 72 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: would be given pardons that could also include the President 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: in theory, pardoning himself. What we are now is the 74 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: White House has saying, yeah, it's coming, and you should 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: prepare for a lot of people to quite possibly be pardoned. 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: So just get used to it. 77 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: Your instant reaction in the White House now confirming this story. 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 3: Well, we put out the podcast Wednesday morning as the 79 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: sun was coming up, and several hours later, Politico issued 80 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: a report entitled Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons 81 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: for those in Trump's crosshairs. It was written by Jonathan Martin, 82 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: who's a longtime Washington reporter, and what he reports is 83 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 3: that White House officials are debating issuing blanket pardons to 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: multiple people, which is exactly what we predicted. And here's 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: what Politico reports, quote Those who could face exposure include 86 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: such members of Congress's January sixth committee as Adams Schiff. 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: Liz Cheney also mentioned Anthony Fauci and other as well. 88 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: And so that's the initial list, Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, 89 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: Anthony Fauci. That's who they are discussing. And what is 90 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: striking is there are now multiple elected Democrats explicitly urging this. So, 91 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: for example, Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey said in a press 92 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: interview quote, if it's clear by January nineteenth it revenges 93 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: his intention, then I would recommend to President Biden that 94 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 3: he provide those preemptive pardons to people, because that's really 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: what our country is going to need next year. Another Democrat, 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: Congressman Brendan Boyle from Pennsylvania, likewise called for blanket pardons. 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: He said, quote, this is no hypothetical threat. The time 98 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: for cautious restraint is over. We must act with urgency 99 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: to push back against these threats and prevent Trump from 100 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: abusing his power. I will say to I guess some 101 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 3: modicum of his credit. One person pushing on the other 102 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: side is Adam shift. Now, to be clear, they're talking 103 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: about giving him a pardon, and Shift was quoted as saying, quote, 104 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: I would urge the president not to do that. I 105 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: think it would seem defensive and unnecessary. Well, I got 106 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: to say, it is stunning, and you're right. The White 107 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: House is now publicly saying expect more pardons here we come. 108 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: And it's a question of just how much they're going 109 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: to abuse power, because it really is at this point 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: stunning and apparently that everyone who may have committed wrongdoing 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: is panicking that there may be some accountability, and so 112 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: they want to pardon everybody for whatever crimes they might 113 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: have committed. 114 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: And you talk about Adam Shift, Let's remind people back 115 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen what Adam Schiff did. Adam Shift introduced 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: a bill to keep Trump from quote abusing pardon powers 117 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: for his family. This was on CNN on Don Lemon's 118 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: show back in twenty eighteen. 119 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: So the president's pardon a Scooter Libby congressman has inspired 120 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: you to propose new legislation, what exactly would it do. 121 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: What it would do is say that in the event 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 5: the president pardons anyone in an investigation in which the 123 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 5: president is a witness, a subject, or the target, those 124 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 5: investigative files will all be turned over to the Congress. 125 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 5: The Congress ought to know whether the president is using 126 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 5: the pardon power to obstruct justice. The American people have 127 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 5: a right to know. I think it is clearly constitutional. 128 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 5: It doesn't prohibit him from granting a pardon, even a 129 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 5: pardon he shouldn't grant, But it does say that we 130 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 5: will be able to at least find out whether the 131 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 5: president is using this power to shield himself from liability. 132 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 6: It offers transparency at the very least. 133 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, what a great idea. 134 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: Now, Adam shiff why aren't you introducing this legislation all 135 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: over again so we can know all of the peace 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: that are going to be pardon, why they're being pardon, 137 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: in all the files that show what the information is 138 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: behind it. I'm waiting for this Adam shift of eighteen 139 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 2: to appear again. 140 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: Senator Well, and I got to say, under that reasoning, 141 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: that would have the Department of Justice forwarding the investigatory 142 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: files of Hunter Biden to Congress to the Republican majorities 143 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: in both Congresses. Under his reasoning, he just argued for that, 144 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: I'll be curious to see if he thinks it should 145 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: apply in those circumstances, you know. Spoiler alert, I would 146 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: not bet on it. No, I wouldn't either. 147 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: Let's also talk about Politico's Jonathan mart and what he 148 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: said on TV about this pardon list. This was after 149 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: the writing in Politico. Take a listen to how he 150 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: described it earlier. 151 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: Go titled Biden Whitehouse is discussing preemptive pardons for those 152 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 4: in Trump's crosshairs. In it, you write this quote, President 153 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 4: Joe Biden's senior aides are conducting a vigorous internal debate 154 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 4: of whether he is shoot preemptive pardons to a range 155 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: of current and former public officials who could be targeted 156 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 4: with President elect Donald Trump's return to the White House. 157 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: It's according to senior Democrats familiar with the discussions, the 158 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 4: deliberations touch on pardoning those currently in office, elected and appointed, 159 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 4: as well as former officials who've angered Trump and his loyalists. 160 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 6: Those who could face exposure. 161 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: Include such members of Congress's January sixth Committee as Senator 162 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: elect Adam Schiff and former GOP Representative Liz Cheney. Also 163 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: mentioned by Biden's aids for a pardon, Anthony Fauci, the 164 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 4: former head of the National Institute of allergy and infectious diseases, 165 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: who became a lightning rod for criticism from the right 166 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: during the COVID nineteen pandemic. The President himself, Jonathan continues, 167 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: who was intensely focused on his son's pardon, has not 168 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: been brought into the broader pardon discussions yet, according to 169 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 4: people familiar with deliberations. So, Jonathan, what does this look like. 170 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 4: What are you pardoning Anthony Fauci for? What are you 171 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 4: pardoning Liz Cheney for who've not been charged or victive crimes? 172 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 6: That goes to the heart of this deliberation. 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 7: William, why this is so delicate because the White House 174 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 7: Counsel and a handful of senior White House aides, including 175 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 7: Jeff Zionce, the Chief of Staff, are having this debate 176 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 7: right now in the West Wing, which is, do we 177 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 7: leave these folks out in the cold and potentially expose 178 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 7: them to Cash Patel's FBI and Donald Trump's White House 179 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 7: for any number of charges or of some kind of 180 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 7: you know, the show trial to get a measure of 181 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 7: revenge and at the very least make them pay six 182 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 7: figures in. 183 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 6: Legal bills to avoid such a case. 184 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 7: Or do we offer preemptively pardons to people there's no 185 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 7: proof they've done anything wrong whatsoever, and really may not 186 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 7: want to pardon in the first place. That's a real 187 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 7: tough call, because if you don't do it, and Patel 188 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 7: and company come after some of these people and you 189 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 7: had the chance to give them an oculation. 190 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 6: Legally, that's a hell of a thing to regret. 191 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 7: At the same time, do you want to pardon somebody 192 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 7: like Liz Cheney or Anthony Faalsciet and suggest any kind 193 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 7: of impropriety that could only add fuel to the Trump 194 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 7: aggressors in the first place. 195 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 6: It's a real tough nut. 196 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: I love the way he describes it the ed. He's like, 197 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: it's a real tough nut, Like this is a hard one, 198 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: you know. Should we just admit we broke a hell 199 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: of a bunch of laws and just hand out the 200 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: pardons or do we act like we didn't break laws 201 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: and hope they don't come after all of us. 202 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: Well, and I will say, even the way he's reporting it, 203 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: the Trump aggressors look the idea that anyone in and 204 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 3: around Joe Biden would be held responsible for laws they 205 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: have been broken is treated as a pearl clutching horror 206 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: for the media and for the Democrats, and listen my view, 207 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: and we've talked about this at length. 208 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 8: I don't want to. 209 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: See a Republican Department of Justice. I don't want to 210 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: see a republican FBI. I don't want to see a 211 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: Democrat Department of Justice. I don't want to see a 212 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: Democrat FBI. I want a Department of Justice and an 213 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: FBI that enforces the law regardless of party. And that 214 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: apparently is a terrifying thing to individuals who who previously 215 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: consider themselves unaccountable and not bound by the ordinary constraints 216 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: of law. 217 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: Well, and even look at Bill Clinton, for example. Bill 218 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: Clinton is now coming out saying he wants to stop 219 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: the cycle of criminalizing politics. That's pretty rich from the Democrats, 220 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: after that's all they've done the last four years. Here 221 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: is Bill Clinton at the Deal Book summit. It's a 222 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: New York Times event. 223 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 6: Listen, you think Biden should be. 224 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 7: Pardoning pardoning Trump, And by the way, some people think 225 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 7: that Trump should be pardoning Biden. 226 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 9: Well, I do think we should stop trying to them 227 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,119 Speaker 9: in law's politics. 228 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 6: But on the other I think we should both. 229 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 9: Of them because because obviously and the people don't like it, 230 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 9: and they're not going along with it from right to left. 231 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 9: On the other hand, you have to ask yourself, if 232 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 9: you do this blanket thing, is there anything a president 233 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 9: could do that he would or she someday would get 234 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 9: in trouble for. 235 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Senator. 236 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: They weaponized the FBI, the DOJ, the entire apparatus of 237 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: the White House Executive branch to go after their political 238 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: enemies for four years, and now all of a sudden 239 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: they're like, hey, we should not have Republicans doing that. 240 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: Republicans never did that. The Democrats are the ones that 241 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: have done it. 242 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: I'm curious. Did did Bill Clinton say that the first 243 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 3: time Trump was indicted? Did he say that the second 244 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: time Trump was indicted? 245 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 9: No? 246 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: Did he say that the third time Trump was indicted Nope? 247 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: Did he say that the fourth time Trump was indicted? 248 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 9: No? 249 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: And he didn't say it when they were rating mar 250 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: Lago either. 251 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 8: Yeah. 252 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it is amazing. And by the way, Bill 253 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: Clinton also didn't say that when the Trump DOJ was 254 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: prosecuting people for peaceful protest on January sixth, when they 255 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: were using the violent acts of a limited number of 256 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: people as an excuse to engage in political persecution. Bill 257 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: Clinton didn't speak out when the Biden Department of Justice 258 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: was targeting parents for going to school board meetings and 259 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: speaking out, sending the FBI to intimidate moms and dads 260 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: who are exercising their constitutional rights at school board meetings. 261 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: He didn't speak out when the Biden administration was firing 262 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: people for declining to take the COVID vaccine. He didn't 263 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: speak out when the Biden administration was coercing private businesses 264 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: to fire people for declining to take the COVID vaccine. 265 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: He didn't speak out when the Biden administration sent over 266 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: a dozen FBI agents with drawn machine guns to arrest 267 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: a pro life protester at dawn in front of his children. 268 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: By the way, that case, the jury threw it out 269 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: when they tried to put him in jail, and the 270 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: jury said this is ridiculous and threw it out incredibly quickly. 271 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: The absolute and brazen hypocrisy of the Democrats that they've 272 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 3: suddenly discovered, uh oh, don't use the legal process against us. 273 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: And I want to be clear, I do not believe 274 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: the Trump administration should persecute democrats. I do believe they 275 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: should follow the law and if individuals have violated the law, 276 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: they should enforce the law. That is very different from 277 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: targeting and weaponizing DJ You know, I sat down this 278 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: week with Pam Bondi, the nominee to be Attorney General, 279 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: and the entire discussion I had with her was about 280 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: restoring boring integrity to the Department of Justice, not about 281 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: turning it into a tool just to be used to 282 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: target the other side, but bringing it back to what 283 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: it is supposed to be, which is having fidelity to 284 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: the rule of law. 285 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: You talk about the fidelity and the rule of law here. 286 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: So the question now becomes if the President decides to 287 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: walk out there and say, I'm going to preemptively pardon 288 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: everyone Fauci Schiff, Liz Cheney, and people all around my family, 289 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: all of maybe the business associates, for example, around Hunter Biden. 290 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: Is there anything that Congress will be able to do 291 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: to stop this or to rein it in. I go 292 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: back to Adam Shiff when he was like, well, what 293 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: we should be doing, is ushe have centered all the 294 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: documents or is this pretty much like he's in charge, 295 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: he's leaving, he can do whatever the hell he wants. 296 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: It's the power of the presidency. 297 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: And even if he wants to abuse a pardon power, 298 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: he has a right to do it. What mindset should 299 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: everyone listening have on reality? 300 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: Now, look under the Constitution, the pardon power is essentially 301 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: an absolute power. And and so there there is not 302 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: any limitation in the Constitution that Congress can enforce on 303 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 3: the pardon power that is given to the president. The 304 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: only limitation is is public pressure, public scrutiny. 305 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 8: The only thing that constrains. 306 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: Presidents is they don't want the world to know that 307 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: they're utterly corrupt hacks. Now, I will say Biden's got 308 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: a problem in that because he's already done the Hunter Biden. 309 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 8: Pardon. 310 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: And I'll read from from an article in Axios, which 311 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 3: which often reports on sort of inside gossip in the 312 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 3: White House and Capitol Hill, and and and the story 313 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: is entitled behind the Curtain Biden's Haunting Twin Sins. Here's 314 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: what Axios reports. President Biden's post presidency now looks bleak 315 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 3: as is brutal final months. Some top Democrats tell us 316 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: they're so furious about Biden's abrupt, clumsy pardon of his 317 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: son Hunter that they're threatening to withhold donations from his 318 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 3: future Presidential library. 319 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 10: And his. 320 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: Quote twin selfishness. What it says is why it matters. 321 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: Biden eighty two will limp away from the limelight, widely 322 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 3: disliked by the public and now loathed by many Democrats 323 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: who blame him for twin sins of selfishness running again 324 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: then pardoning Hunter after repeatedly saying he wouldn't. That's the 325 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: real constraint, is just public shame and disgrace. And the 326 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: question is are Democrats capable of of public shame anymore? 327 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: Or is trump derangement syndrome so bad that their answer 328 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: to everything is range Man bad. 329 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point. 330 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: I want to take a moment and say thank you 331 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: to so many of you that have been involved with 332 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. 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Senata, I want to move to this other case, 356 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: and it is a case that has really been interesting 357 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: to follow the Supreme Court hearing this case on gender 358 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: transitions for minors. 359 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: Now. 360 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: This has all come out of a case in Tennessee 361 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: where Tennessee was arguing that that you must protect children 362 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: from harm and body mutilation, especially at very young ages, 363 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: and the left and the federal government saying, well, hold 364 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: on a second, we are in favor of this transgender care, 365 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: arguing that even those that are two, in three and 366 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: four years old, they know that they're trands, so let 367 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: them be sterilized and castrate themselves. That is what the 368 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: eight THELU lawyer said in his own words while he 369 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: was arguing this on TV on CNN. I want you 370 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: to listen and get your reaction to that. 371 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 11: I would say is nobody has to provide this medication 372 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 11: to adolescents. These are not doctors being forced to provide 373 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 11: this medication. These are doctors who are wanting to treat 374 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 11: their patients in the best way that they know how, 375 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 11: based on the best available evidence to us. And these 376 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 11: are young people who may have known since they were 377 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 11: two years old exactly who they are, who suffered for 378 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 11: six seven years before they had any relief. And what's 379 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 11: happening here, it's not the kids who are consenting to 380 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 11: this treatment. It's the parents who are consenting to the treatment. 381 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 11: And as a parent, I would say we when our 382 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 11: children are suffering, we are suffering. And these are parents 383 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 11: who love their children, who are listening to the advice 384 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 11: of their doctors of the mainstream medical community and doing 385 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 11: what's right for their kids in the state of Tennessee 386 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 11: has displaced their judgment. 387 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: Now you hear that argument, and that to me is 388 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: just I'm sorry, child abuse if you're mutilating a child 389 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: at two and three and four years old. 390 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: And that's what Tennessee was saying. 391 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: Well, Tennessee passed I think a very reasonable law that 392 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: that prohibited puberty blockers and hormones and sterilizing children, sterilizing minors, 393 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: and and we're seeing multiple state legislatures that are acting 394 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: to protect children. I think that is a reasonable and 395 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: common sense step. And and what happened is is, unsurprisingly 396 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: that that the state got sued and the ACLU argued 397 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: that that that making it illegal for a small child 398 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: to be sterilized and made permanently unable to have children, 399 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: or even to be mutilated, that that prohibiting that violated 400 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: the fourteenth Amendment, the equal protection clause of the Constitution. 401 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: That that was the argument. And and this the Court 402 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: of Appeals upheld the Tennessee law, and the Supreme Court 403 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: took the case. And and so that that was the 404 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: argument you heard right there. The ASLU lawyers arguing UH 405 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: for for being able to sterilize eight year olds using 406 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: the math the lawyer laid out. The lawyer talked about 407 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: a child at the age of two might know that 408 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: he or she is transgender, and they might have had 409 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 3: to wait six years. Last I checked, two plus six 410 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: is eight. And so the legal argument is that eight 411 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 3: year old the parent should be able to sterilize that child. 412 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: And you know what if that child decides that at 413 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: eighteen he or she wants to be a dad or 414 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: wants to be a mom, well, too late now, because 415 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: when you were eight, we went ahead and sterilized you. 416 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: So there's no going back. And this argument went back 417 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: and forth. Right, I'm going to make a prediction. My prediction, 418 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 3: I think the Supreme Court is going to uphold Tennessee's law, 419 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 3: and I think we may see a breakdown that plays 420 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: out along pretty familiar ideological lines. 421 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 8: Now, it was pretty striking. 422 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 3: The three liberal justices all were asking questions that I 423 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: got to say, we're really extreme and showing the modern left. 424 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: They are all in on mutilating and sterilizing children. This 425 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 3: is not a fringe view on the left. Today's elected 426 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: Democrats and sadly the left wing activists they put on 427 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: the courts are absolutely committed to this extreme agenda. So 428 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: I want you to listen to. 429 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: This side of my org. 430 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: Justice out of my org downplaying the risk of mutilation 431 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 2: of miners in this back and forth, in these oral arguments. 432 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 12: This is what she said, cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners. 433 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 12: So it becomes a pure exercise of weighing benefits versus risk, 434 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 12: and the question of how many miners have to have 435 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 12: their bodies irreparably harmed for unproven benefits is one that 436 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 12: is best left. 437 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 13: I'm sorry, counselor. Every medical treatment has a risk, even 438 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 13: taking astron There is always going to be a percentage 439 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 13: of the population under any medical treatment that's going to 440 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 13: suffer a harm. So the question in my mind is 441 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 13: not do policy makers decide whether one person's life is 442 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 13: more valuable than the millions of others who get relief 443 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 13: from this treatment. The question is can you stop one 444 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 13: sex from the other one? 445 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: I mean, she's saying, this is not a big deal 446 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: at all if you're mutilating a child, because even aspirin 447 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: has risks and effects, So therefore, just put it under 448 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: the category of everything goes. 449 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 8: Well. 450 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: That sums up today's radical left. In their view, severing 451 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: a child's genitals is comparable to taking aspirin. She also claimed, 452 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: quote millions of people are getting relief from this. Now, 453 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: thankfully we do not currently have millions of children being sterilized. 454 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: But let's be clear, that's the left's worldview. Is that 455 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: sterilizing little boys and little girls, mutilating them, making them 456 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: permanently unable to have children, that should be happening on 457 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 3: the scale of millions and millions of little boys and 458 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: little girls. That is Justice Soda bay Or here to 459 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 3: take a listen to Justice Justice k Katanji Brown Jackson. 460 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 10: Drawn by the statute that was sort of like the 461 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 10: starting point. The question was whether it was discriminatory because 462 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 10: it applied to both races and it wasn't necessarily invidious 463 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 10: or whatever. But you know, as I read the statute here, 464 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 10: excuse me the case here. You know, the court starts 465 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 10: off by saying that Virginia is now one of sixteen 466 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 10: states which prohibit and punished marriages on the basis of 467 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 10: racial classifications. And when you look at the structure of 468 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 10: that law, it looks in terms of incontinuing you can't 469 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 10: do something that is inconsistent with your own characteristics. 470 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 6: It's sort of the same thing. 471 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 10: So it's interesting to me that we now have this 472 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 10: different argument, and I wonder whether Virginia could have gotten 473 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 10: away with what they did here by just making a 474 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 10: classification argument the way that Tennessee is in this case. 475 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 6: Yes, I think that's exactly right. 476 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 10: That there is absolutely a parallel between any law that 477 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 10: says you can't act and consistent with a protected characteristic 478 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 10: and all other contents. 479 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: You hear it there. 480 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 2: This is another example of just how extreme these and 481 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: that's one of the elections, by the way, are so 482 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 2: important center. I mean, this is why Donald Trump being 483 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: elected was so important, because when he's not, when you 484 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: don't have a conservative in the White House, you get 485 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 2: these radical activists who are Supreme Court justices, and if 486 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: they have the majority, this is what they want you 487 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: to be able to do. This is what they want 488 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: to happen to your children. 489 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: Well, and let me break down what that exchange back 490 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: and forth was. So Katanji Brown Jackson, who Joe Biden 491 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: put on the Supreme Court, is comparing this Tennessee law 492 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: to the law in Loving versus Virginia. Now, Loving versus 493 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: Virginia's a Supreme Court case. It's a landmark case that 494 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: struck down Virginia's ban decades ago, many many years ago 495 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 3: on interracial marriage, on African Americans and Anglos choosing to 496 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: get married. And she says, quote, it's sort of the 497 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: same thing. Now, Virginia's law was an abomination. It was 498 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: restricting adults making the decision to get married. It was 499 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: deliberately doing so on the basis of race. Which, mind you, 500 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: we fought a civil war in significant part to end 501 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: slavery and to vindicate equal rights. And we passed and 502 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: adopted the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth Amendments to end slavery, 503 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: to protect equal protection, and to give African Americans the 504 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: right to vote, to ensure that there's not racial discrimination. 505 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: But in the less, not sterilizing an eight year old 506 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: is the same thing. Like that is bizarre. And by 507 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 3: the way, the person who responds to Justice Jackson is 508 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's Solicitor General, the top lawyer for the Biden 509 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: administration before the United States Supreme Court. She say, oh, yeah, 510 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: they're exactly the same thing. In our worldview, you ought 511 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: to be able to mutilate children. It doesn't matter how young, 512 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: the Constitution protects your right to mutilate your child. That 513 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: is a bizarre view, That is an extreme view, and that, 514 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: sadly is where where today's modern left is. 515 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: You may be shopping for Christmas and one gift you 516 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: can give that as incredible as the gift of helping 517 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: someone be able to protect and defend themselves. And with 518 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: increase crime and violence around our country, we need to 519 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: remember that personal safety and security for you and your 520 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: family is the most important thing in life. And that 521 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: is exactly why I want you to know about the 522 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: Berna less lethal pistol launcher. A Berna can save two lives. 523 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: It is a great compliment to owning firearms, and if 524 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: you or your family members in a situation where you 525 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: feel threatened, then you can start with less lethal now 526 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: Berna and this less launcher is legal in all fifty states. 527 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: No permits or background checks are needed. I own one 528 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: myself and I've given them to a lot of my 529 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: family members because I have some family members that just 530 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable carrying a firearm. 531 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: Well burna is the answer there as well. 532 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: It's also designed for easy use by all age groups 533 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: eighteen or older. So if you have a child that's 534 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: living an apartment or off campus, maybe they're not twenty one. 535 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: The Burno launcher is what you need to give them. 536 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: It has powerful deterrence like tear gas and kinetic rounds 537 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: with a sixty foot range, meaning you can put serious 538 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: distance between you and the attacker. One shot can incapacitate 539 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: attackers for up to forty minutes. It's used by government 540 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: agencies and law enforcement around the country. 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That's b Why r in a 548 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: dot com slash verdict and give the gift of protection? 549 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: This Christmas final question on this issue with this case 550 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: coming out of the Supreme Court, and if you look 551 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: at the way that this was being argued, and I 552 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: think one of the other things that's just so unhinged 553 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: about this the argument for medically mutilating minors. Is the 554 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: fact that the issue really does seem to come down 555 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: to money. The amount of money that people are now 556 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: making off these surgeries that's saying it is it is 557 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: an increase year over year of over fourteen point four 558 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: percent on average, So the transgender surgery world and then 559 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: the lifetime of care is expanding at a fourteen point 560 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: four percent rate year over year. That's why so many 561 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: medical areas, doctors and hospitals are advocating for this because 562 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 2: they make money. Vanderbilt said very clearly to their doctors, 563 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: either you get on board with this or you get out. 564 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: We're not going to let you say no to this 565 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: because there's too much money to be made in quote 566 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: gender care. 567 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are vast amounts of money at stake, and 568 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 3: it has become it really is a strange obsession of 569 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: the radical left. It is it is a virtue signal. 570 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: Remember we had on on verdict a couple of months ago. 571 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: Seawan Theory. Shawn Theory was an African American Democratic state 572 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: rep in Texas. She was an elected Democrat. She had 573 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: been elected for four terms and on this issue, there 574 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 3: was a bill in Texas to prohibit mutilating minors, and 575 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: she ended up voting for it and the Democrat Party. 576 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: She described on the podcast, if you didn't listen to 577 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: that podcast, she ought to go back and listen to 578 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: it because it's incredibly revealing. She described how her fellow Democrats, 579 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: African Americans, and the Texas State Legislature would come to 580 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: her and she said, did you have you study the 581 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: damage this does to children? That if you give puberty 582 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 3: blockers and you sterilize a child, that it does lifelong 583 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 3: medical damage to him. It's horrible, And she said the 584 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: many other Democrats she described said, oh, we know, we agree, 585 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 3: it's terrible, but you cannot oppose this in our party. 586 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: They will end you. Our party will end you. 587 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 8: Well. 588 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 3: She ended up doing the courageous thing and voting for 589 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: common sense and voting for kids, and the Democrats recruited 590 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: a primary challenger to her and beat her in the primary, 591 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 3: and they spent over one million dollars in a Democrat 592 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 3: primary for a state house seat. That is how radical 593 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 3: this issue is. So there is money, There is big 594 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 3: money on the other side, and it is enforced. 595 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 8: In the US Senate. 596 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: Every single Democrat has voted in favor of mutilating minors. 597 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 3: There is no dissension that is allowed on this. And 598 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 3: I got to say, and Joe Biden is enthusiastically in 599 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 3: favor of it, you know. I got to say, also, 600 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: look this Supreme Court case. Part of the reason that 601 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 3: there is is such focus on it is there was 602 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 3: a previous Supreme Court decision called Bostock and Bostock is 603 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 3: a decision that interpreted federal anti discrimination law on employment discrimination. 604 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 3: And it is currently illegal under federal law to discribe 605 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: and employment based on race and other characteristics, including sex. 606 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: And in Bostock, the Supreme Court took a prohibition on 607 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 3: discrimination based on sex and construed sex to mean also 608 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 3: being transgender. 609 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 8: And that decision that was a six to three decision. 610 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: That decision was authored by Justice Gorsuch, and it was 611 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 3: a fairly shocking decision. A lot of people were shocked 612 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 3: that Justice Gorsuch wrote that opinion. 613 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 8: It was joined by Chief Justice Roberts. 614 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 3: In addition to what were then for liberals who were 615 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 3: on the Court at the time, Justice Ginsburg was still 616 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: on the court. It was before amy Cony Barrett had 617 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 3: been nominated and before Justice Ginsburg obviously had passed away. 618 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 8: So that was six ' to three. 619 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 3: On the other side, I don't think we will see 620 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 3: the same outcome. I will say at the oral argument, 621 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: Justice Gorsuch did not say a word, not a word, 622 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 3: so we do not have any indication from him as 623 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 3: to how he will vote. But Justice Roberts was quite vocal, 624 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: and what he laid out is actually the reason why 625 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 3: I'm confident the Tennessee law will be upheld, which, as 626 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: he laid out, the proposition that that the Court should 627 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 3: be deferring to state legislatures and and particularly when you're 628 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: dealing with contested medical evidence, that state legislatures are far 629 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: better suited to assess contested medical evidence and make it 630 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 3: a termination and make a policy decision. That that's that's 631 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 3: how our democratic system works. And and and I think 632 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: Chief Justice Roberts, reasoning that he articulated that the oral 633 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 3: argument is going to lead him to vote to uphold 634 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: the law, I think we will see. 635 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 8: I think we will. 636 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 3: Certainly see Justice Alito and Justice Thomas, and and Amy Cony, 637 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: Barrett and Kavanaugh also their arguments at oral arguments suggested 638 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 3: that they that they would defer to the Tennessee state 639 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 3: legislature as well. I hope Justice Gorsach will as well. 640 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 3: I think there's a very good chance that this will 641 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 3: be a six three decision upholding the Tennessee law. But 642 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 3: the fact that the Court decided Bostock the other way. Now, 643 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 3: Bostock was a question of federal statute and interpreting the 644 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: words Congress had adopted. It was not a constitutional case. 645 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 3: It was not interpreting the equal protection clause of the 646 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 3: Fourteenth Amendment. And I'll note, by the way, there is 647 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: a third outcome. So what could the Supreme Court do here? 648 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 3: They could do three things. They could do more than 649 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 3: three things, but three key things. One they could affirm 650 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 3: the Tennessee law. That's what I think they are likely 651 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 3: to do. Two, they could strike down the Tennessee law. 652 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 3: They could rule that this law violates the Constitution and 653 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 3: therefore is null and void. I do not think they're 654 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 3: likely to do that, but I think the three Liberals 655 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 3: will vote to do exactly that. The third option they 656 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: could do it is they could reverse the decision and 657 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: conclude that this law is sex discrimination, and under the Constitution, 658 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 3: sex discrimination is subject to what's called intermediate scrutiny. Now 659 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 3: the toughest standard constitutionally for legal analysis is what's called 660 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 3: strict scrutiny, and racial discrimination under the Constitution by government 661 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 3: is subject to strict scrutiny. Sex discrimination is subject to 662 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 3: intermediate scrutiny. So the middle ground they could do is 663 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 3: they could vacate the decision below and send it back 664 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 3: to the lower court to apply intermediate scrutiny. I hope 665 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 3: they don't do that, and I don't think they will, 666 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: but there is a non zero chance they might do that, 667 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: which is what makes this case. Concerning all of that 668 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 3: being said, my prediction is they're going to conclude correctly 669 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 3: that the Tennessee law is constitutional, and that is a 670 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 3: judgment for the state legislators to make. 671 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 2: As I said before, this is why elections are so important. 672 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 2: It's why it's so important that conservatives get elected, because 673 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: these are the people that make unbelievable decisions, and it 674 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 2: deals with kids' futures, and this is a perfect example 675 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 2: of it. Don't forget We do this show Monday, Wednesday 676 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 2: and Friday. 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