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Speaker 1: What are you an idiot? That's how my dad would say.

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Speaker 1: He loved me, what are you an idiot?

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Speaker 2: And I said, I wanted to do this success for

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 3: As you know, we don't do politics here, but I'm

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Speaker 3: always willing to make an exception when the guest is

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Speaker 3: extremely interesting and when he or she accepts flattery in

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Speaker 3: exchange for coming on. We had him on talking politics

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Speaker 3: a month or so ago, and it was such a

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Speaker 3: great conversation. I could have gone another hour with him.

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Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing now. But we're not really

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Speaker 3: going to talk about politics. I want you to get

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Speaker 3: to know him more because he's got a really fascinating

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Speaker 3: life story full of ups and downs, his and lows,

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Speaker 3: all the things we like to get into here on

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Speaker 3: Off the Cup, and he might just be a serious

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Speaker 3: contender for president in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: So this is very good timing.

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Speaker 3: We have a terrific friend in common, David Axelrod, who

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Speaker 3: connected and I'm so glad he did. You know him

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Speaker 3: most recently as our ambassador to Japan during the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: Before that, he was mayor of Chicago. Before that, of course,

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Speaker 3: he was Barack Obama's White House chief of staff. Before that,

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Speaker 3: he was a congressman. If there's a thing you can

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Speaker 3: do in government, he's done it. Welcome to off the cup,

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Speaker 3: Rahm Emmanuel.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm great, I'm so glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned this on Talking Politics, but I'll say it

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Speaker 3: again for folks who are just tuning in now.

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Speaker 4: I'm a fan.

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Speaker 3: I may be conservative, but the way you talk about politics,

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Speaker 3: the way you talk about the American dream, the state

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Speaker 3: of our democracy and what Democrats need to do to

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Speaker 3: get it together and win again, it's really giving me

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Speaker 3: so much hope at a time when it's really easy

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Speaker 3: not to have any You are inspiring me. You're getting

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Speaker 3: me excited about twenty twenty eight instead of dreading it.

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Speaker 3: I just think if you're out there working on it,

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Speaker 3: it might just be okay.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, don't ever underestimate the resilience of

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Speaker 1: the American people.

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Speaker 4: Say more, you know, for.

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Speaker 1: All of us that are involved in this, so we

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Speaker 1: can get cynical pretty quickly and everything like that. Actually

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Speaker 1: their anger is because they actually believe in America and

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Speaker 1: you have to appreciate that. And they are disappointed and angry.

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Speaker 1: Sentful is a series of emotions because the thing that

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Speaker 1: they've accepted has turned out to be booby trapped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have every right to be angry.

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Speaker 1: They got sold a bill of goods. And to me,

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Speaker 1: I kind of understand that frustration.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's so much I want to talk to you about,

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Speaker 3: because I mean, weirdly, we have a lot in common,

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Speaker 3: which we'll get into. But first I always like to

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Speaker 3: start with, what kind of kid?

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Speaker 4: Were you?

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Speaker 2: All right? Are you sitting down?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? For an hour? Yep, I'm here, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was a quiet kid, quiet to the point that

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Speaker 4: For a while.

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Speaker 2: For like maybe something was wrong physically.

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Speaker 1: I was a quiet child that didn't do anything, didn't

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Speaker 2: That's number one.

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Speaker 4: No swear. Steve didn't swear as a kid.

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Speaker 2: Did He barely talked?

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Speaker 1: And what that as a child. Then you have to

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Speaker 1: kind of fast forward. Well, I'm also the middle child

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Speaker 1: of three very very competitive brothers. Also, Ari and I

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Speaker 1: are separated by sixteen months to the day, and we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 2: Joke, but this is actually a true story.

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Speaker 1: Zeke and I used to jump off the bunk bed

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Speaker 2: Started walking at nine months old. So we were a

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Speaker 1: Now, I also was academically outside of either history or math,

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 2: My mother did.

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Speaker 1: Something torturous to all of us. So when you walked

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if you know this, but Zeke

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Speaker 1: And if you wanted to know why I wanted to

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Speaker 2: And you know, Ari and I have a.

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Speaker 1: Joke when Zeke used to say, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: But we used to. My mother would say that if

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Speaker 2: you don't do well academically.

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Speaker 1: That's not a problem. Anybody who comes to the house

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, now the other to my about a week

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Speaker 1: from now, we're all coming in and we're gonna celebrate

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Speaker 4: Oh wonderful muzzle.

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Speaker 1: But my parents did one other thing that I think

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Speaker 2: So down in the family.

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Speaker 1: Room, in the middle of the wall was my great

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Speaker 1: my grandmother on my mother's side, purse that had heard

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Speaker 1: her too, my two great aunts passports, and they had

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Speaker 1: the passports, and on either side was black and white

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Speaker 1: photos of relatives from my parents' side, my father's side

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Speaker 1: on my mother's side, who never made it to America.

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Speaker 1: And so these eighteen eyeballs would steer at you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and there was nothing subtle. And this was my parents' way.

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Speaker 1: And then it's not just way. They told you you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people did not make it here.

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Speaker 2: They died on the journey here.

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Speaker 4: And you got lucky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I say this all the time. If

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Speaker 1: and I think, I uh, now again, I saw I

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Speaker 1: would never do anything my parents did, but I decided

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Speaker 1: to torture my kids the same way my parents tortured me.

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Speaker 1: And two of the three kids have joined the armed forces, because.

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Speaker 2: You have to give some peo this country.

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Speaker 1: It has a lot of problems, but it has a

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Speaker 1: lot to offer, which is why people don't journey to

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Speaker 1: they don't journey to go to Iran. They journey to

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Speaker 1: have to give something. So anyway, that's kind of from

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Speaker 1: your report card to relatives of one hundred years ago to.

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Speaker 4: Watching him down.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this leads perfectly to my next question, which is

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Speaker 3: about your family's emigration story.

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Speaker 4: It's really powerful. Can you talk about it a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: I can talk about it. So there's two different threads.

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Speaker 1: One thread is my grandfather on my mother's side. Lee's

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Speaker 1: Moldova is near Romania between wrote Romania and Ukrate leaves

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Speaker 1: at fourteen to flee the Russian Progroms against Jews. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, comes to Chicago. As we always say,

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Speaker 2: Now he's big. You would not know it.

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Speaker 1: I did not get whatever the jeans were on that side.

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Speaker 2: And he lies and drives a taxi at fourteen wow.

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Speaker 1: And he sells crap on Maxwell Maxwell Street, which is

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Speaker 1: the old Schmata Street for Jewish immigrants of Eastern Europe,

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Speaker 1: not Germany. If you know Chicago, German Jews live on

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Speaker 1: the south side south Shore near Hyde Park. Everybody else Polish, Russian,

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Speaker 2: But he is a huge six' three and a.

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Speaker 4: Boxer and he found the right.

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Speaker 1: Town it sounds like Totally chicago was made for him

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Speaker 1: and he was made For.

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Speaker 2: Chicago, Yeah and so that's one.

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Speaker 1: Thread and moves to the west side to the north

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Speaker 1: Les mom's youngest brother is A chicago. Cop, Shelley mom's

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Speaker 1: said bookkeeping and stuff like. That my dad comes To

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Speaker 1: america having fought in The war Of independence In israel

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Speaker 2: Back To. Israel then they couldn't make it for a

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Speaker 1: And my father and mother moved back To, chicago and

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Speaker 1: my mother leads The congress On Racial equality here In

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Speaker 1: chicago late fifties early, sixties for integration at the beaches and.

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Speaker 1: Do he quits THE ama over universal national health care

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Speaker 1: and then he sues the city Of chicago in nineteen

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Speaker 4: Lives, well it's such An american thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Too, yeah there's a big. Strain but you, Know grandpa

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Speaker 1: Allowed to talk about my dad or my grandfather Because

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Speaker 1: i'll start to, cry which is exactly what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Now BUT i know it's Not.

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Speaker 1: Grandpa he lived at and the Other he was a

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Speaker 1: Socialist h huh that becomes A democrat because Of Franklin Delano.

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Speaker 1: Roosevelt And i'm kind Of i'll never forget this because

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Speaker 1: it was A Shabbat sabbath. Dinner grandpa sitting at the

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Speaker 1: And broadway And, edgewater and he and my mother get

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Speaker 2: Wallace now it's nineteen sixty. Eight, dad because it gets so, violent.

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Speaker 1: Takes us all the boys out Because mom And grandpa are,

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Speaker 2: It so we asked. Him he, asked my, dad who

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Speaker 1: Guy now sixty? Eight, yeah you'd have thought it Was George.

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Speaker 1: you look at, it had this happened twenty years, Later

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Speaker 1: i'm not sure any of those women or.

445
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: Groups would have come to his.

446
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: Defense, yeah because of our politics and what change in

447
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: our value.

448
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: System it's a.

449
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: Country, yeah after The White, house you join an investment,

450
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: bank but it's not long before you decide to run

451
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: for office. Yourself and what made you want to cross

452
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: over and go from staff to.

453
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 4: Principle, well.

454
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: So let's say, interesting we have three. KIDS i didn't

455
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: have a bucket to spit in a window. THROW i

456
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: needed to make some, money BUT i didn't have the

457
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: money for a down payment on my. Home amy AND

458
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: i started a, family and we wanted to get a,

459
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: home AND.

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00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: I put it. Together and, anyway, yeah so what she's.

461
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: Sleeping it was A saturday.

462
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: AND i was watching the kids out in the front

463
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: yard and Then Congressman rodabagoivitch runs.

464
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: By oh my, god and he.

465
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: Goes you, Know i'm thinking of running for. Governor will

466
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: you helped? Me AND i, said you, know, SURE i,

467
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: have you, know not a problem or. Whatever and we

468
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: talked briefly and he's running in place while we're, talking

469
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: and then he starts to run AND i just remember

470
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: he looks over his left shoulder and, goes you.

471
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: Should run for my. SEAT i had not thought about

472
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: it at.

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00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 4: All oh my.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, now being the good FATHER i.

475
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: DID i went in the, house left the kids out

476
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: in the front yard by themselve on a what AND

477
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: i called who is a dear friend of, Mine Congressman

478
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Rosa doloro From New, Haven AND i, said, Hey and

479
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: this is What rob, said roses like an older, sister

480
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: and she said you should do it except For redline

481
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: talked To axelrod and THEN i DECIDED i had achieved

482
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: quicker THAN i thought my family's financial, security WHICH i

483
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: had a responsibility to do BEFORE i went.

484
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: Back at the bank.

485
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: Before, yeah much quicker THAN i. THOUGHT i had no.

486
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: Sense, now if you look at the, district predecessors Are Dan,

487
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: Rostenkowski Roman, Kachinski Franken, Nuns, you Rob, Igoyevitch Mike, Flannagan

488
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: Ram Israel emanuel is not fit in the district And

489
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: i'm running against, well there's four of us in the.

490
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: Field i'm running against A polish woman.

491
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: Who's in state. Wreck so if you had a, bank

492
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: put your money on the.

493
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Bat.

494
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah BUT i DECIDED i didn't want to pass this.

495
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: UP i didn't want to have an opportunity and not

496
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: AND i, Decide, Okay i'm gonna do.

497
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 4: It Was amy on. Board, yeah.

498
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: Yes so.

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00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: When we were, DATING i told her two. THINGS i

500
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: would never run for, office and we would live. Overseas

501
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: so the WAY i look at, it we lived In.

502
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Japan i'm like one for. Two, okay she thinks they're

503
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: running For congress and. Mayor it was a bait and.

504
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: Switch SO i can't imagine why she came to that,

505
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: conclusion and to her great credit support if this is

506
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: what you, want she, Says, LOOK i, mean let's be

507
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: honest for any, family and she's you, Know Mama beer

508
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: protecting the.

509
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: Cubs this is Not if this is what you, want.

510
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: Great but you know we have A AND i give

511
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: her a lot of credit about both Through congress and through,

512
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: mayor of making sure that the kids were.

513
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: Secure, yeah they.

514
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: Were in a home of love and that whatever was

515
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: done outside the house vice a ve that my. Job

516
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: it didn't infect who they were in the household we were,

517
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: building and that's while we did it. Together it wasn't

518
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty and so she was, supportive and it

519
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't option, one two or three in her

520
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: choices of WHAT i did in my.

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Speaker 4: Life, no you had promise her you wouldn't do that. Thing,

522
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 4: okay who?

523
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: Knew, okay two thousand and six is a very interesting

524
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: year for you Because hillary is assumed to be running

525
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: for two thousand and, eight and you say you would

526
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: support her in that. Effort but Then Barack, obama your

527
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,239
Speaker 3: home state, senator says he might run. Too so, like

528
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: how conflicted are? You and how how public is that

529
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: conflict in.

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00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: Two thousand and when they're. Running two. Things, ONE i

531
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: said That i'm going to hide under my desk with my.

532
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Blanket i'm not coming out till they have a. NOMINEE

533
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: i said it.

534
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: Publicly, oh because you didn't want to have to pack

535
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: SAID i have.

536
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: It first of, ALL i Knew President obama when he

537
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: was a state. Senator we were Part there was a

538
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: number of us of which he AND i were part

539
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: of the next generation coming.

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00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: Up, yeh.

541
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah and Obviously david's very close to. Him i'm very

542
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: close To, david. Etc we've met numerous times when he

543
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: was a state. Senator on the other, hand i'd Be

544
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: i'm nothing Without Bill, clinton, right AND i know, that And.

545
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm old school about. Loyalty SO i called up Person.

546
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: CLINTON i, Said, HEY i know HOW i got, here

547
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: BUT i have a senator for my, state So i'm

548
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: not endorsing, him BUT i can't Endorse hillary against.

549
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: Him what did he?

550
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: Say he got, It he understood.

551
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: It i'm not sure everybody, else the other people on both,

552
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: Sides I'M i sure got.

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00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: It, yeah he understood.

554
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: It AND i said the same thing then presidential Candidate,

555
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: obama AND i, Said i'm not Endorsing.

556
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Hillary that would be wrong to.

557
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: You BUT i can't endorse you either because it would

558
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: be wrong to the man that gave me my start

559
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: in national, politics which Is Bill.

560
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Clinton i'm not doing, it and so don't ask. Me

561
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: so what ends? Up he asked me to be chief

562
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: staff when.

563
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: We'll get you one way or the.

564
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: Other BUT i hid under my desk until he had a.

565
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: Nominee that was a tough, primary you know.

566
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: It, was but it was good for the.

567
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: Party it was And President obama would tell You hillary

568
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: made him a better.

569
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: Candidate, first you could see. It you could see it.

570
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: Happening he wasn't in real. Time you, know people forget.

571
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: This, now this is the weirdo in.

572
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Me The Bill, clinton you, know in The Barack obama you,

573
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: know are not who they.

574
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Are on day. One, yeah in the process they.

575
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: Emerge now they have raw, talent they have, capacity but

576
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: the process sharpens the. Knife do they become The Bill

577
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: clinton we know about in our mind's, eye The President

578
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: obama that we know in our mind's, eye that is

579
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: not where they, were and they, won they become.

580
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: That they don't start.

581
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: THERE i was in that. Prime that was a tough.

582
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: PRIMARY i covered it tough. GENERAL i was supporting. McCain

583
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: when did you know That Barack obama was going to win?

584
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: This?

585
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: Well, back uh.

586
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Huh when we win in six and we start dealing

587
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: with from the, Majority President, Bush, YEAH i know that

588
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: The democrats are going to win and it you know.

589
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: That, Yes do you know that McCain's going to be the?

590
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 4: Nominee probably?

591
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: No BUT i could tell both where the economy Was Iraq,

592
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: war we won thirty one.

593
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: Seed you could also look at poling early, on and

594
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: see none of that had.

595
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: Dissipated, YEAH i, thought whoever wins the, nomination that's a

596
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: nomination worth.

597
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: Having did you consider McCain a formidable.

598
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 4: Opponent, YEAH i mean you have.

599
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: TO i, mean but he gets dealt a horrible. Hand

600
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: he's coming at the end of eight years Of George,

601
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: bush a very unpopular, war and a financial and residential housing.

602
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: Meltdown he just draws a bad.

603
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Hand now you could go through who he picks for

604
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: his running, mate how he does, that.

605
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: Etc but he has a bad.

606
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: Hand and The, democrats whoever we, nominate is going to be,

607
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: changed and no, age no matter what changes in the. Air,

608
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: now about four three weeks befour weeks before the, Election

609
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: i'm At leah's soccer. Game she's about nine years, old she's,

610
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: younger and we're on the lake front phone rings and

611
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: It's Senator. Obama It's, september and he, Says i'm just

612
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: giving you a heads.

613
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: Up i'm coming after you after this IF i.

614
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: WIN i want you to be chief a Step AND

615
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: i told, him in no uncertain terms THAT i was

616
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: changing my phone number And i'm not doing, THAT i, Said,

617
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: amy AND i are. Set i've been to The White house.

618
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: BEFORE i don't want to do that again with a young.

619
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: FAMILY i, Said i'm not doing. IT i did it

620
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: WHEN i was. Single up until the, END i Said

621
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: i'm not it's not fair to the family And amy And.

622
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Eric he, says you say all, that But i'm just

623
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: letting you. Know and then he Called OBVIOUSLY i also

624
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: saw him election night and he, says we're talking tomorrow.

625
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: Morning so how did he get you to do?

626
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: It, well you, know this goes back To grandpa m

627
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: that when The president of The United states asked you

628
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: to do, something it's either yes or, yes, sir and

629
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: you just got to figure out between those two which

630
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: one you're anting ancering? What, YEAH i didn't want to do.

631
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: IT i had MY i gotta be. Honest amy and

632
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: the kids were. Set our life was. SET i had

633
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: my sights set on being the, speaker AND i was

634
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: doing WHAT i did from the d trip c and

635
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: caucus chair WHERE i was, going AND i figured out

636
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: the chest.

637
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: Pieces it worked out.

638
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Okay but you know the first six months of his,

639
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: tenure which are not exactly WHAT i call a stroll

640
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: in the. Park amy AND i are living apart And

641
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: i'm without my, family and it's AS i used to,

642
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: say in The White, house it's a family friendly to

643
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: the first. Family everybody else gets kind of a. STOUT

644
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: i used To The other THING i used to say,

645
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: was Thank, god It's, friday two more work days Still,

646
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: monday and so that's kind of AND i knew. That

647
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: but you, know The president of The United states at

648
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: a critical, moment and he's a. FRIEND i was also

649
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: the chair of his transition FOR Us senate.

650
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: When he, wins and you know how to do.

651
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: It, yeah in the same way THAT i would not

652
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: Abandon President clinton with the chips were, Down President obama

653
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: Or president Like obama's walking into a. Situation let's be,

654
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: honest nobody had faces in fifty, years sixty.

655
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: YEARS i knew.

656
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: Something about The, HILL i knew something about The White.

657
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: HOUSE i knew something about, politics AND.

658
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: I knew how to run.

659
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: Things he needed you and you have to.

660
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: Serve, Yeah so at any point during your tenure do

661
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: you come to enjoy? It there are times that look

662
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: like you enjoyed. It chief Of, Staff, yeah.

663
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: Are you out of your? Mind?

664
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Now in, retrospect when you're having a glass of red,

665
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: wine you look at the book with all the black

666
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: and white. Photos, yes going through, it you're you know

667
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: that painting by Ed munk the, Screen that's what You're. Yeah, okay,

668
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: no there is no there is no no enjoyment going.

669
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: Through, it because, literally he could be high.

670
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: Fiving we just passed the bill and you're back at

671
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: your desk dealing with the next.

672
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: Problem and this is non stop.

673
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: And and you, know you got a healthcare. Crisis, yeah

674
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: you got a recession near a, depression you got the

675
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: auto industry, collapsing you got the financial sector, collapsing and

676
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: you got everybody and the tea.

677
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: Party, yeah beginning this was what You you tell me what's? Enjoyable?

678
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, right?

679
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: Nothing. NOTHING i mean.

680
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Now in, retrospect is it rewarding that you were part

681
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: of creating universal healthcare At? Asia from a why you

682
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: get into public service one hundred going through?

683
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: It, yeah you are just a stressed out, Person that's

684
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: all you.

685
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: Are so was going back To chicago to run for

686
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: mayor was that a fam about family.

687
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: Or is that something you'd always wanted to?

688
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Do? NO i, mean well there's a so WHEN i

689
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: Tell President, OBAMA i don't want to do this whatever he, goes,

690
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: well what else do you want to do besides p.

691
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: Speakers do you know we're going From chicago one?

692
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Day you, know ast of those the other Offices, MAYOR i,

693
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: mean if you're In, chicago mayor's mayor's alpha Dog Axe

694
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: rods as we both. Did that used to always, say

695
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: AND i agree with, him there are five great jobs

696
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: in public. Life, president governor Of, California governor Of New,

697
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: York mayor Of New York, city or mayor Of. Chicago

698
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: and my, joke my joke Was i've had one and

699
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: a half of these jobs and so but as soon

700
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: As Mayor daily says he was not going to seek,

701
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: reelection you, KNOW i, said, okay this is AND i

702
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: had come to nineteen months With President. Obama that's kind

703
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: of the longevity of a chief of Stat The president's joke,

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00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: was do you Think ram will stop buya sayabye on

705
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: the way, Out AND.

706
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: I was, like, bo.

707
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: This is the most important. Question oh, okay when do

708
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 4: you pick up fly?

709
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: Fishing, okay this is.

710
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 4: Now, yeah you love fly, Fishing, YES i love.

711
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: FISHING i mostly, spinfish BUT i also fly. Fish my

712
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: husband's a big fly.

713
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 2: FISHERMAN i love fly.

714
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: FISHING i, know SO i this is weird because usually

715
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: you a would, say you know.

716
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Upstate.

717
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: WISCONSIN i had a friend who loved to, travel love fly,

718
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: fishing recently passed away and wants to organize a fan

719
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: too family trip To. ARGENTINA i take it up in

720
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: two thousand and, three and it's become an obsession of.

721
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: Mine. Yeah, yeah not like SOMETHING i. Enjoy, yeah on.

722
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: Obsession i'm ambassador AND i go To New zealand twice

723
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: to go fly.

724
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 4: Fishing oh you send me that? VIDEO i saw.

725
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: It, yes, YES i love fly. FISHING i took it

726
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: up in two thousand and three WHEN i was. Mayor

727
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: my older Brother Zeke Skip paul paula gala a group of.

728
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Us every year when The Missouri river opened up first

729
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: week Of. May we would do a three day float

730
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: down The Missouri river go fly.

731
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: Fishing THAT i can't have to. Me standing in the.

732
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: WATER i. Don't i'm not a fan of, floating but

733
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: standing in the water like to.

734
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: Wade got.

735
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: It the water's rushing on you and you're reading the.

736
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: Water where do you think the fish will? Be, casting hitting,

737
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: it hooking, it having something live on your.

738
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: HANDSHAKE i just love. IT i can't get enough of.

739
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: IT i fish With he's great and his son's a

740
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 3: guide In.

741
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 2: Alaska, yeah, Yeah aaul's a very he's into it, Too, yes,

742
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: very he's very into. IT i send.

743
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: Him there's a group of us that's send photos each

744
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: other on, yeah fly.

745
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Fishing, Yeah paul's always there's a, hug you. Know, yeah,

746
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: yeah so We.

747
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: But let me just be, Clear, yes this is not

748
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: this doesn't scream fly Fish, okay.

749
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah you. Know it's such a romantic. Sport AND, i

750
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: as a, WOMAN i GOTTA i gotta tell. YOU I

751
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: i fished.

752
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: A lot of.

753
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: WATERS i was fishing The Keen eye In alaska one.

754
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: Year i've done that several. Times And i'm ganging these

755
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: giant kings out of out of the, river both on

756
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: a fly and then on like an eggsact. Bait BUT

757
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: i felt so primal pulling this thing out of the,

758
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: water gutting it and cleaning it in on the, water

759
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: taking it to the river, bank putting it on a,

760
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: fire cooking and eating. IT i felt like there's NOTHING

761
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: i can't, do, now do you.

762
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 4: Know WHAT i? Mean it's just the best.

763
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: Feeling and it was a preparation for The trump presidency.

764
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Survival, OKAY i actually have been on the copper up

765
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: in the last.

766
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Great uh, NO.

767
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: I i'm with you about. THIS i think there's something very.

768
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: Spiritual AND i don't know how to explain. This you,

769
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: know your rod is bending down and you have this

770
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: thing that's just yanking and pulling and heading, downstream and

771
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: your how much you're supposed to let it run versus putting.

772
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Tension there is nothing like that.

773
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Live feeling in your hand yep of that fish at

774
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: the end of a.

775
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: Line.

776
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Ye and it's hard to explain to people who've never. Experienced,

777
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Yes AND i find it also very relaxing me.

778
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: TOO i FEEL i hunt as, well AND i feel the.

779
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 3: Same really, yeah SO i hunt and. FISH i feel

780
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: the same. Way you're so, focused especially, hunting you're, listening you're,

781
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: quiet you're still unless you're, driving but like you're you're

782
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: usually If i'm in a, Blind i'm, Quiet i'm, Listening i'm.

783
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: Watching you can't think about.

784
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: Techs or you, know it blocks everything.

785
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 3: Else it completely does and there's nothing else that does

786
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: that for, me, RIGHT i.

787
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: Mean, so you Know amy likes to fly, fish and

788
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: so we kind of do it. Together Although i'm a

789
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: little ON i know you find it shocking a little

790
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: on the. Spectrum i'm obsessive about, it, sure but, yeah,

791
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: yeah you know how these flies they have these weird.

792
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: Names?

793
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah is there a committee that meets down in the

794
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: basement with likes four six packs and they come up

795
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: with these ridiculous?

796
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 4: Names?

797
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah like and then you know the guides whether, Earlier,

798
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: YEAH i got, it that's NOT i you know, Whatever

799
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: and they say these.

800
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: NAMES i want to. KNOW i want on the. COMMITTEE i, like,

801
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: ca can't we just call It joe's? Fly why don't

802
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: we have to have?

803
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: It you?

804
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: Know and it's deals with like people's sexual devians and

805
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: all these weird. Names, yes it's, weird and you can't

806
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: explain it to.

807
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: EVERYBODY i name my the words After seinfeld. Character so,

808
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: yeah Like elaine's great for like deep, jigging, okay but

809
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: then Like banya is good for something.

810
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: Else but that's HOW i can keep track of.

811
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Them you go to a fly shop and they will have,

812
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: names and literally it's like Cheating Chong WE'RE i was

813
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: like stoned one night and they just came up with these.

814
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: Names i've never heard anything like. This i'm going.

815
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: There.

816
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, yeah but it's a great but it. Is.

817
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: Now the interesting thing also is you hear people describe,

818
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: golf Which i've never.

819
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: Done they will describe kind of the.

820
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: Be able to block everything, out the single like focus

821
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: outside on a single, task which is what fly. Fit you,

822
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: know with THE i have like nature AND i have.

823
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Pictures there's bald eagle, flying there's a moose, here and

824
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: you're just fishing out in nature and by.

825
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: Yourself it's, very very restorative to your. Soul.

826
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: Totally my husband can remember every fish he's ever. Caught

827
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: are you the same?

828
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Way let me do it the other. Way you can

829
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: have a great day catching. Eighteen all you focus on

830
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: is the nineteenth that got.

831
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: Away, yes so what you, felt, yes and then you sit.

832
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: Around so then the other thing is when you're on the,

833
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: water it's seventeen. Inches when you get to the shop it's,

834
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: twenty so it's called so a lot of guys, say

835
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: that's a shop, Twenty so it's means on the.

836
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: Water on the, water it was sixteen.

837
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: Or, seventeen and just by the time five hours later

838
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: you get back to brag it's twenty.

839
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: Inches of course it was a. Record it was a, record, yeah. Exactly,

840
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: okay let's do a lightning.

841
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: Round, okay.

842
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 3: Speaking of have you ever caught a record? Fishing if,

843
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: so what was the species and what did you catch?

844
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: It On New?

845
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Zealand seven point eight pounds and it was thirty three

846
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: inches and it was a.

847
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: Brown.

848
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: Nice oh that's a big. Brown.

849
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah the guy said it was the second biggest he

850
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: caught that.

851
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Year, yeah that's what he said for, me BECAUSE i

852
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: was paying.

853
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: The day he.

854
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: Did.

855
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah and he got a good one for that.

856
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: Compliment bucket list fly fishing destination you haven't done.

857
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: YET i want to go To. Mongolia oh, yeah oh.

858
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: YEAH i went To New zealand. TWICE i could never

859
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: get this. Schedule everybody Says labor day ish is the

860
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: perfect Time.

861
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: Mongol i'd like to go. There so everybody says it's.

862
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: Spectacular i've Heard Andorra andorra's on my Last, well it

863
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: is supposed to be this incredible pocket in The. Alps

864
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: it's Like valley in The, alps this tiny little country supposed.

865
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: To be spectacular for fly.

866
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: Fishing and they have these fly fishing camps set.

867
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: Up they're.

868
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: Empty you just go in and use them if no

869
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: one's using them at the.

870
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: TIME i Think.

871
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: Mongolia and ALSO i would say northern part Of, Finland,

872
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: sweden that, Area.

873
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, cold, yes ye.

874
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Yes SO i already asked you your favorite movie about

875
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: politics On Talking, politics let me ask you who your

876
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: favorite fictional president, is AND i can run down a.

877
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: List.

878
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: Yep so you have Like Morgan freeman In Deep, Impact

879
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: Bill pullman In Independence, Day Michael douglass and The American,

880
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: President Jeff bridges In The, Contender Kevin klein And Dave

881
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 3: Harrison Ford Air Force, One John, Travolta Primary, Colors Billy Bob,

882
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: Thornton Love, Actually Peter, Sellers Doctor, Strangelove Martin Sheen.

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Speaker 3: Michael douglas And American President the Erin sucer.

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Speaker 2: One, Yeah Michael. DOUGLAS i happen to Like Michael douglas

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Speaker 3: Person AND i Love Aaron sorkin and the way he,

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Speaker 3: wrote it's a very. Capra, yes it's so.

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Speaker 2: GREAT i don't. Know these imaginary presidents.

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Speaker 4: To, me not the real. Thing do you know the real?

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Speaker 2: THING i, SAID i. Don't i'm not into.

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Speaker 1: It well can you be like, no because that's? Fictional,

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Speaker 1: no stop.

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Speaker 4: It that's. Right what's the Best chicago food? Stuff be, careful.

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Speaker 1: Best chicago food stuff In Mexican american communities like back

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Speaker 1: of The, arts in The Grouse, restore there are taco

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Speaker 1: stands in the. Back there's a particular one in the

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Speaker 1: back of the. Yards i'm not telling anybody because then

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Speaker 1: people will go and ruin. It there is probably the

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00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: best Tacos i've ever. Had AND i would say that.

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Speaker 1: IS i, know we got our, pizza we got Our

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Speaker 1: Winni circle hot dogs very.

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Speaker 4: Good, yeah you got Your polish delicacy.

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Speaker 1: Is but the tacos in a grocery store in the.

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Speaker 2: Back there's a Few mexican grocery.

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00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: Stores there's two to three of them that have, it

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Speaker 1: and it's really.

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Speaker 2: SPECTACULAR i do want TO i know this is supposed

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Speaker 2: to be a lightning.

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00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Rod there's another taco place near our house and the

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00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: other day about a month.

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Speaker 2: AGO i. WAS i went in to get some.

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Speaker 1: FOOD a lot of cops, visited and the, woman Who

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00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: i've known for years through my, mayorality et, cetera just

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Speaker 1: started crying to like looked up and the fear in

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00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: her eyes because of what was going.

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00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: On With ice and everything like.

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Speaker 1: That and she could AND i you, know you can

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Speaker 1: read about, it, obviously what has happened to her and

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Speaker 1: is what's happening to her is existential and the amount

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Speaker 1: of fear she's explaining how she bikes to work and

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Speaker 1: how she had to change the route and how she.

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00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Now rides alleys so, heartbreaking, yes. Totally, Yeah BUT i

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Speaker 2: was reading.

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00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: About it and meeting someone is totally, DIFFERENT i.

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00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: MEAN i, Think BUT i MEAN i was telling you

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00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: in the beginning by this interview about my grandfather who

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Speaker 1: flees the, programs and here In, america which is a

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Speaker 1: symbol of, freedom we're chasing people who are trying to

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Speaker 1: get to.

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Speaker 2: Work it's.

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00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: Crazy.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah so what's the best thing you ate In?

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00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: Japan the best, thing, well even straight food is A

941
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: Michelin star. Restaurant, Right so if you go to the

942
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: northern island Of, hakkaido probably the best Venicon i've ever

943
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: had in my, life full.

944
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: Stop there was a very unique.

945
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Sushi restaurant that served a shark and tuna dish THAT

946
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: i had never had anywhere.

947
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: Else near The Skejee market In.

948
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: Tokyo there's a place in the basement Where amy AND

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00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: i had found with this ambassador From singapore and his

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00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: wife that would go to the market pick up the

951
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: back spine of the tuna that was usually. Discarded you

952
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: would get a shell and you would scrape the meat

953
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: between the ribs and that was the sushi you. Had,

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00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: god it Was i've never had anywhere off the. Charts

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00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: the other thing they would do is they would take

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00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: the tunic jaw and they would make a dish out

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00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: of that which is filled with. Meat, yeah like so

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00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: those and then down in the southern island A, kishu

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00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: they have a set of street food from the runs

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00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: of the salmon et cetera that.

961
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: Is off the, chart but you can't.

962
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh In, kanazawa it was a young chef and his

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Speaker 1: wife who turned home into a. Restaurant there's a, home

964
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: old home that got left and they had made Food

965
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: japanese traditional kind of seven course that was off the.

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00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: JOB i was trying To i'm going. BACK i was

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Speaker 1: trying to get in AND i couldn't get.

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Speaker 2: IN i can't get. It it's. Unbelievable.

969
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: Wow, okay what's your favorite band or musical artist right?

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00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: NOW i always say my Favor put somebody LIKE i

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Speaker 1: get into a place And i'll.

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00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: Listen, yeah, yeah.

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00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Right Abraham. ALEXANDER i really Like Jacob. BANKS i really

974
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Speaker 1: like what genre. Salt they're kind OF r AND. B

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Speaker 1: Jacob banks is From, africa But ritish. Citizen Abraham alexander's

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Speaker 1: got a little spirituality to, it but also SOME r

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Speaker 1: AND b. SOUND i Think Cane, brown which is An

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00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: African american country. Singer chabouzi is. ANOTHER i Like Chris.

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Speaker 1: STAPLETON i Like Zach Bryan Luke. Combs then on THE

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Speaker 1: i have to give a shout out To wilco And

981
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: Jeff tweety here From chicago BECAUSE i think they're great.

982
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: Music so that's.

983
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Good kind of a Plactic yeah did?

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00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: YOU i didn't have this, question BUT i just thought of.

985
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: IT i fell in love with classical music through through,

986
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: ballet just tearing it all the time, time AND i

987
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: Found i've returned to classical.

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00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: MUSIC i had a sort of a nervous. Breakdown in twenty.

989
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: TWENTY i struggle with, anxiety BUT i have found classical

990
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: music to be incredibly soothing and.

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00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: Calming do you like classical? Music?

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00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: Complicated only for this recent my father self taught you

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00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: could hear two notes and say de Vorda Mahler, yes by,

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00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: myself and so that ends up torturing the rest of,

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00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: us all three.

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00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: Boys SO i do like, it BUT i want to be.

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00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: HONEST i have a love hate.

998
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: RELATIONSHIP i get, that but, YEAH i got that On sunday.

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00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: Mornings so.

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00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: Every, morning BECAUSE i, CAN'T i get up at, FIVE

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00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: i make coffee AND i bring it up To amy in.

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00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: Bed she gets it every. Day oh.

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00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 4: Nice, yeah to.

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00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: Start, today it's downhill after, That i'm back in the

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00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: doghouse by eight a. M but at five point.

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00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: Thirty you're starting.

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00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: RIGHT i start, right and then it's a black diamond down.

1008
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: Mail but On saturday And, sunday if we don't really have,

1009
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: ANYTHING i put on music AND i start with, classical

1010
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: and then it would go Classical Nora jones and then

1011
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: WHAT i want to listen?

1012
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: To oh, good, Iression, YEAH i eas her into, it, yeah,

1013
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: yeah with a good cup of dark roast coffee on

1014
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: the side of the. Bed this is a perfect segue

1015
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: into our last. QUESTION i ask it at the end

1016
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: of every pod because it's the most important to. Me

1017
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: this is my, spirituality it's my. Culture when is it

1018
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 3: iced coffee?

1019
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Season i'm not the guy to ask the answer that

1020
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: question BECAUSE i Like i'm, black, hot, dark.

1021
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: Gross, simple don't.

1022
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: DON'T i don't want to hear about. MILK i don't

1023
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: want to hear about. OATS i don't want to hear

1024
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: about any of that. STUFF i don't want to hear about.

1025
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: Caramel sure, don't, no, no, now.

1026
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: Now the other. Thing full. Stop let me go.

1027
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Back japan has one of the greatest coffee cultures you'll

1028
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: find anywhere in the. World, yes, yes every cup is individually.

1029
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: Made there's no pot o. Coffee there's this great Near

1030
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: Skichi market In tokyo place Called, tourette unbelievably wins best

1031
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: coffee roaster In, asia opened up and did us pop

1032
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: up in Both New york and la, oh and it

1033
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: has an incredible coffee. Culture BUT i am.

1034
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: A, purist dark, hot rose.

1035
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: Hot coffee in the middle of the. Summer i'm not

1036
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: really interested in messing with.

1037
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: That, Now no, milk no, sugar no, honey no, whiskey

1038
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: don't play with.

1039
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: This, okay it's worked going all the way back To.

1040
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 4: Egypt that's.

1041
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: True nobody asked your, opinion that's WHY i, yeah, okay.

1042
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: Yep so now when do you think it starts ice?

1043
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: Coffee it's iceby, season year. Round, okay is the correct.

1044
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: Answer we like that you like, coffee that's, fine but

1045
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 3: the correct answer is your. Round I'm i'm From, massachusetts

1046
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 3: the land Of Dunkin, donuts and ice coffee is my.

1047
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: Religion it's really oh, yeah, yeah hot, coffee hot black.

1048
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 4: Coffee that's your. Choice, yeah the free. Country.

1049
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: Two and then you put a cap and you say

1050
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: two cups a, day of which when you get the,

1051
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: third it doesn't count because you didn't really finish the.

1052
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 4: Second. That, yeah that's. Coffee.

1053
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: Math i'm county and that's the way we. Count, yeah that's.

1054
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 2: Coffee that's why everybody can vote In, Chicago.

1055
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: Rob, emmanuel this was so. Delightful i'm so glad we did.

1056
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 2: This, okay next, time we're going through, books great history

1057
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: books that we have.

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Speaker 4: Read, okay, Great, YEAH i love. THAT i love that for.

1059
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: Us thank you so. Much this was this was. EXCELLENT

1060
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 4: i loved to know you.

1061
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: MORE i thank you very much for doing.

1062
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: This coming up next week On off The, CUP i

1063
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: sit down and talk to best selling author Of The

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00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: Orchid thief and her new, memoir Joy, ride Author Susan

1065
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Speaker 3: orlean being out in.

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Speaker 5: The world and meeting people and reporting and, researching which

1067
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 5: is really a. Thrill and then the writing part where it's,

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00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 5: suddenly oh my, god how DO i tell this?

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Speaker 3: Story off The cup is a production Of iHeart podcasts

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