Speaker 1: I would go as far as to say, is more
Speaker 1: than one of them had a cane at any given time,
Speaker 1: because at one point it was just the thing to
Speaker 1: be a dude in an ARMBA group and have a kid.
Speaker 1: I bought one of my brother for Christmas. I was like,
Speaker 1: it was a write of passage for just the young
Speaker 1: black dude at the time. A brother, you know you
Speaker 1: need a king? Can he? He might still have it.
Speaker 1: I just saw him yesterday. I should have answered, I pready, God,
Speaker 1: you kneeled when you handed it off to I want
Speaker 1: that more than anything, because my crown chips in your
Speaker 1: quali mass or racist last money turkey stuff I can't
Speaker 1: tell me. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama
Speaker 1: Told the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the
Speaker 1: pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to
Speaker 1: prove that Kyla Pratt did, in fact sacrifice her television
Speaker 1: father flex Alexander's career to the black Illuminati in exchange
Speaker 1: for eternal youth. It sounds right to me, I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: that sounds exactly right. Kyla Pratt has not aged a
Speaker 1: day since nineteen She looks amazing. She looks fantastic and
Speaker 1: something had to have happened. You can't be the same
Speaker 1: girl from loving basketball forever? Where's flats? He was on
Speaker 1: a rocket ship to the moon. I haven't seen him since.
Speaker 1: You know, he was in uh if I'm remembering correctly,
Speaker 1: he was in Snakes on a plane If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: who was briefly in that plane? Briefly? So barometer for success?
Speaker 1: This easily could have been a Flex Alexander hologram. That
Speaker 1: are Watchington, Which one was Washington or Alexander flex Alexander.
Speaker 1: I believe he was Flex Washington on the show one
Speaker 1: on one? Why why do that? Why not to pick
Speaker 1: a full different name if you're gonna be in a
Speaker 1: multi caam on up n Why why why commit so hard?
Speaker 1: I think? But you want the name Flex is what's
Speaker 1: gonna travel, Alexander Washington. It's all very Interchangeablelex is what
Speaker 1: they want us to remember. He said, Alexander is my
Speaker 1: slave name, but Flex, that's Washington is my LESTERR slave name. Washington,
Speaker 1: it's my chosen slave man. If I have to choose
Speaker 1: a slave name, I want the best slave owner. I
Speaker 1: E Washington. No, they had Dentald Washington So that's a
Speaker 1: good family. Yeah, that was a solid family. Solace slave
Speaker 1: on the shout out to the slave own in Washington's
Speaker 1: if you're still out there, Hell yeah, you got it, baby,
Speaker 1: you're the best. What are we one in? All right?
Speaker 1: I'm David Borden and I'm your co host Legs and Carmen.
Speaker 1: We're so happy to be here with you. We're talking
Speaker 1: shit about apparently flex Flex Alexander and and Kyla Pratt
Speaker 1: and George Washington a little bit, but but less so
Speaker 1: him for some reason. But our guest today, I would
Speaker 1: dare to say that that he hasn't owned any slaves,
Speaker 1: nor it would he would he well, I think he'd
Speaker 1: go so far. Okay, maybe maybe he would. He's not certain.
Speaker 1: He's wavering on the subject. But he's such a funny comedian, hysterical.
Speaker 1: You've seen him in so many things. Specifically, he is
Speaker 1: a a writer producer for The Great North on Fox.
Speaker 1: So fucking funny. Please give it up for our guests,
Speaker 1: Mr Kevin A. Ray, how are you? We're excited you're here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go no on on the slave owning. Damn,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that official. Okay, this feels put it
Speaker 1: on watch. I'm gonna be trying to be on the
Speaker 1: on the right side of things, you know. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like slave owning is a dangerous, dangerous
Speaker 1: precedent to start out there now, it would be a
Speaker 1: weird way to start the episode and expect people to
Speaker 1: eventually be on yours and then just d hop back
Speaker 1: to the part where he said he don't slaves. Okay,
Speaker 1: hear me out, I down slaves. But yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm good. So noticed slave voting and that's fine.
Speaker 1: To each his own is what I always say. But
Speaker 1: you came to us this week with a conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: and I'm I say you, but the truth is this
Speaker 1: is a bit of a unique episode because you did not,
Speaker 1: in fact come to us with its conspiracy theory. You
Speaker 1: came to us with an open heart. You said, you said,
Speaker 1: if you fellas have something you want to discuss, I
Speaker 1: am more than open to to taking that on. I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid of what possibly could come down the pipeline.
Speaker 1: And then Bori immediately raised his hand. He could not
Speaker 1: embrace the same faster, Kevin. I want you to know
Speaker 1: how quickly this happened, Unbelievably fast. He raised his hand
Speaker 1: with a conspiracy theory that I would argue is maybe
Speaker 1: the most unfounded thing that we are going to take
Speaker 1: on in this in this conversation. That's crazy. Okay, already
Speaker 1: starting with the look, I'm gonna say this on the
Speaker 1: and you haven't said it yet. This was a theory
Speaker 1: that I I definitely was riding with for a minute.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for a minute, and then I
Speaker 1: really thought about it. But I mean, I just want
Speaker 1: to note that we're five minutes in Lightston is already
Speaker 1: positioned me in the position of the buffoon the wild card. Wow,
Speaker 1: I just want that episode, my god. Okay, So so
Speaker 1: now now there's a hierarchy being formed. I have I
Speaker 1: walked into some unsettled ship that I oh for me personally,
Speaker 1: this coach back to before. Great this, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I mean this, I will say this to
Speaker 1: about the theory you chose it. Hit me right right here,
Speaker 1: m his heart not. I know that you have skin
Speaker 1: in the game personally, That's why I chose it for you. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Let us let us not linger any longer,
Speaker 1: let us not leave our audience with bated breath. You
Speaker 1: see the conspiracy theory that was presented. It was my
Speaker 1: mama told me life scanned people are good at R
Speaker 1: and B. HM, let's let's unpack it, fell David, this
Speaker 1: is yours, this is your baby. I'd love for you
Speaker 1: to kick us off. I just have felt throughout and
Speaker 1: I don't listen. First of all, I personally do not
Speaker 1: think that light skinned people are better than dark skinned
Speaker 1: people at R and B. I think that it's even
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I think there's been a lot of I
Speaker 1: think there's been a lot of dark skinned eraser in
Speaker 1: the R and B game in general, just like I think,
Speaker 1: quite honest, there's been a lot of fat eraser in
Speaker 1: the R and B game as well as well. Because
Speaker 1: we all remember Woody from drew Hill, What happened to Jazz?
Speaker 1: What happ jazz? Jazz was the heavier one, last king,
Speaker 1: last of the thick kings. As far as could sing,
Speaker 1: Ruben stuttered. But that was not Ruben stuttered. Wasn't making
Speaker 1: like panty dropping. He tried, well, he had he had
Speaker 1: a small window at a moment. He had a moment
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, it was I'm sorry for two thousand four.
Speaker 1: That was not yes. I mean, here's what I'll say,
Speaker 1: is that Ruben really uh, he tried a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything that is the formula of R and B.
Speaker 1: He apologized, he uh, he made love and uh he
Speaker 1: walked in the rain, and none of it seemed to
Speaker 1: to satisfy the missing piece, which was us looking at
Speaker 1: Ruben Stutter to being like, yeah, I'll buy that album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take what you're giving me. Big dog. You beat
Speaker 1: Clay Haakin, big deal. Yeah, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he did. Did he win? I don't know, Yes, Reuben
Speaker 1: Stutter did. He did win. Clay Agin got second place
Speaker 1: and now is running for governor I believe. I don't
Speaker 1: know what office he's running for. I know he's been
Speaker 1: a politician for for some time now. But back back
Speaker 1: to this, back to back, back back to what really matters,
Speaker 1: the hard hitting stuff. I've just felt like my whole
Speaker 1: life there's always been this like light skin predisposition to
Speaker 1: sexy stuff, and then dark skin we got like I
Speaker 1: didn't want to play offensive line. That might have been
Speaker 1: a thing, yeah, but like all the DBS, light skins
Speaker 1: they remallow I remember him specifically basically white, and I
Speaker 1: will say this, no one's ever asked me to play
Speaker 1: offensive line, and I have to assume that's because of
Speaker 1: the color of my skin crossed their mind, like did
Speaker 1: you play power forward? Ever? Not? No, it wasn't because
Speaker 1: I was smaller than everybody else and had to play
Speaker 1: point guard. I don't think so. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: because I'm light skinned. That makes more sense. Has anybody
Speaker 1: ever come up to you and been like, you seem
Speaker 1: like you could sing? They have it. But but also
Speaker 1: I had my voice the whole time. Kevin, please jump
Speaker 1: in here. I have had I've had a weird thing
Speaker 1: where a couple of times white women have been like,
Speaker 1: I want to hear you saying I bet you could sing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who I know. I didn't say I
Speaker 1: could sing. I don't. I didn't. I didn't really put
Speaker 1: that out there. I mean, not back when this was
Speaker 1: happening a lot. But yeah, that's definitely you know. And
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I did play linebacker when I played
Speaker 1: football in junior high. Anybody can be a linebacker, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: fair enough. And also I was the h Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was the only black kid in the in the school
Speaker 1: at the time, aside from my brother. So I mean
Speaker 1: they went with the darkest one for so I guess
Speaker 1: I'm proving your point. I'm saying I tried out for
Speaker 1: a wide receiver and I did not get that. They
Speaker 1: were like, we need about a tough guy position. You. Also,
Speaker 1: I know this about you. You were in and R
Speaker 1: and B Green. I was, oh my gosh, hold on
Speaker 1: a minute, that's how they get That's how they get you.
Speaker 1: This is, if nothing else, helping David towards this point.
Speaker 1: So please tell us more about this R and B
Speaker 1: group you were a part of. Look, I didn't say
Speaker 1: we were good, but that doesn't matter that we were.
Speaker 1: We were all right, And I'm gonna say we were
Speaker 1: called we were called four now, the four with the
Speaker 1: number four and now, and even though there were six
Speaker 1: of us, it was a gross error. It was an accident,
Speaker 1: a miss We were mistitled miss labeled before a show,
Speaker 1: and that just was the name we stuck with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were, but they were like I think they were
Speaker 1: out of the gate. Three dark skin cats and three
Speaker 1: light skin Okay in the group. So when split down,
Speaker 1: split down center. Yeah, But now here's my question. When
Speaker 1: you were performing, I assume your group dances and things
Speaker 1: of that nature. Where were the lights standing in position
Speaker 1: in comparison to the darks. I mean it depended. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a group, you mix it up and stuff. I
Speaker 1: can tell you this. The first performance we did, we
Speaker 1: covered can You Stand the Rain? I was in the middle.
Speaker 1: Not a light skinned man made that song, by the way.
Speaker 1: He was in the middle. By the way I was
Speaker 1: in the middle. Uh, the two dark skinned man wrote
Speaker 1: that song. That's what I'm saying. That's that's a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of things. That's a song that's almost
Speaker 1: exclusively been performed by dark skinned people. But go ahead,
Speaker 1: written written, is doesn't count. Who sang Who wrote freaking you?
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. I'll say this on that song. The leads
Speaker 1: and this is this is why I'm going against your theory. Now.
Speaker 1: The leads were all the dark skinned dudes and well
Speaker 1: and the in new addition, it's it's trespant Ricky bell
Speaker 1: and and Johnny gill uh in our group. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was all three of the dark skinned dudes and the
Speaker 1: leads on the park and the rest of us sang
Speaker 1: back up. I told everybody, hey, y'all, let's go get wet.
Speaker 1: And I did. I did that. The middle of the song. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that was and that was it, and then did
Speaker 1: a little bit some choreography and sang the backup. Wait,
Speaker 1: so you stood in the middle and sang backup. How
Speaker 1: that's because remember there are six of us, so it's
Speaker 1: all the whole regular game plan just goes out the window. So, um,
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly where everyone else was lined up,
Speaker 1: but I think there was a dark skinned dude on
Speaker 1: my on my left. You were flanked by dark skin.
Speaker 1: I think I was flanked by dark skin, almost like
Speaker 1: some type of security detail. Yeah, yeah, but they were
Speaker 1: trying to protect me. It all protect the light skin.
Speaker 1: We gotta keep the money safe, right, But then we
Speaker 1: like it became this very interchangeable thing where we broke
Speaker 1: up and then we came together and there were only
Speaker 1: three of us for a minute, and then there were
Speaker 1: four of us and and you know, so the ratio
Speaker 1: of light skin to dark skin it kept changing. Okay,
Speaker 1: what would you say the ratio was at your most successful? Oh,
Speaker 1: whoa spicy question. He's coming in hot, And I want
Speaker 1: you to be careful when you answered this, because yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such a loaded I mean, the gun couldn't be
Speaker 1: closer to down your throat, what the hell man look?
Speaker 1: Asking the real questions here. We were the hardest interview
Speaker 1: I've ever had to do for this for for Now
Speaker 1: twenty five years later, address the racial disparities from the
Speaker 1: R and B group of twenty years ago. Um, I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say, oh, Ship, you know, no,
Speaker 1: still half and half, still half and half, because because
Speaker 1: they were eventually there, eventually worth four of us, and
Speaker 1: by then we changed the name, but it was still
Speaker 1: too dark skinned dudes and two light skin dudes. And
Speaker 1: how dark are we talking on like a scale of Langston?
Speaker 1: To myself, I mean it was literally the dark skin
Speaker 1: like Ron the other light skin Cat was about Langston's complexion.
Speaker 1: And then, um my, man, Corey, there you go. You
Speaker 1: can't do that. You can't do that. I just I
Speaker 1: just like to hear it. I like you, there's somebody
Speaker 1: else out there doing the baby's Yeah, someone else making
Speaker 1: it happen. Light skin, keep selling the brain. But then
Speaker 1: and then and Corey, yeah, David, he was about it
Speaker 1: was about your complexion, Korey and Patrick. Patrick was a
Speaker 1: little younger or younger, a little lighter than you. People
Speaker 1: do conflate younger and lighter a lot. Sure, you know
Speaker 1: hurt today Kevin Kyla Pratt uh so so, so tell
Speaker 1: me a little bit more. You you start this R
Speaker 1: and B group, is that the goal? Are you guys
Speaker 1: gonna be like R and B superstars or was this
Speaker 1: just like a fun and it was? It was we
Speaker 1: were a dance crew to start trying to remember the
Speaker 1: ratio again that was split down the middle. There were
Speaker 1: there were four of us in a dance crew, and
Speaker 1: then some of us in like sort of the outside
Speaker 1: crew of that joint. We started singing together. But even
Speaker 1: in the dance crew two light skin too, dark skin,
Speaker 1: cats and so, and I would argue that that dance
Speaker 1: crew was black. That's Korean eraser. If you ask me
Speaker 1: those that they just got hit, don't do that. Don't
Speaker 1: do that. Wait, don't do that, don't do that. Korean
Speaker 1: jobs they got, they dance they just got. There wasn't
Speaker 1: there's a bunch now, but I'm not there wasn't a
Speaker 1: bunch of like eight Korean dance cruise right. No. No,
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say, you're looking at I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know the history of the Korean Dance Cup.
Speaker 1: Yeall me up? Yeah, trapped me up on some ship. No.
Speaker 1: Every week. I finished this being really worried about the
Speaker 1: things I've said. Yeah, not me, That's fine, Linton just
Speaker 1: goes straight to sleep comfortably. But but yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was we were like this, We were like this
Speaker 1: little dance crew. And then we started hanging out and
Speaker 1: singing again, and we were like, we should really take
Speaker 1: this seriously, and so we started performing together a little bit.
Speaker 1: And uh, and then we we knew a guy who
Speaker 1: had some recording equipment and I wrote music, So I
Speaker 1: started writing some stuff. We started recording. There was another
Speaker 1: guy who kind of would produce some of the other
Speaker 1: stuff that we we sang, and and yeah, we just
Speaker 1: started doing and we yeah, our goal was to kind
Speaker 1: of blow up and do the whole the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but they just sort of fell apart. We were all
Speaker 1: from different parts of the country. We met in the
Speaker 1: South and so yeah, and so it just kind of
Speaker 1: flew apart. And also it was at a time when
Speaker 1: that was kind of it looked like that was about
Speaker 1: to go away, that whole thing, new addition had come
Speaker 1: and gone, and and even Bellby of de Vot was
Speaker 1: like hi bye for you know, like in early nine days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they made such a huge splash, but then they
Speaker 1: bounced and then it was a lot of other groups
Speaker 1: that did the thing for a while. But it just
Speaker 1: felt like what we were trying to do when we
Speaker 1: were trying to go for it wasn't kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: go the way we wanted to. Would you have likened
Speaker 1: yourself to like like an oh town, town excuse me town,
Speaker 1: maybe the worst boy band in all the boy bands?
Speaker 1: Would you say you were you were just fucking awful?
Speaker 1: That was That was my fault. That was it was,
Speaker 1: that was It took me. I had to reload. That
Speaker 1: was bad. That was bad, That was really bad. I
Speaker 1: would say we were and I don't mean to, but
Speaker 1: we were very new Addition esque when they were the
Speaker 1: sixth of us and then because then like when the
Speaker 1: group was reduced, we had a much more bell be
Speaker 1: devot ish sort of angle. I mean, there were genuine
Speaker 1: hip hop heads in the group. So I feel like,
Speaker 1: not no shade against Bellbot's vote, but like the hip
Speaker 1: hop we were doing was we were trying to probably
Speaker 1: to our detriment, we were probably trying to be too,
Speaker 1: were trying to wrap around it sounded it didn't. It
Speaker 1: didn't work. So you were so you were you were
Speaker 1: past new Jack Swing. You were like, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was I mean, but we played around with some of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't know what we were doing. Man,
Speaker 1: I go, I have some of the demo tapes that
Speaker 1: we did, and I listened to that. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: who the hell let us? We had no friends. No
Speaker 1: one said, hey, y'all, come here, come come here, let
Speaker 1: me gather all six of you brothers around. You might
Speaker 1: get a mistake here, fellas you know, some of us something.
Speaker 1: It was good, but a lot of it was like
Speaker 1: what the hell were we think? Can you give? Can
Speaker 1: you drop a couple of song titles just so we Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had something called and we're a group that took
Speaker 1: ourselves and everything at the moment too seriously. One time
Speaker 1: we did was called the Experiment, and it was literally
Speaker 1: just us trying. It was that thing I was talking about,
Speaker 1: we gonna we're gonna have like a sort of like
Speaker 1: a house or a club section, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: have like a straight hip hop section, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna know it doesn't music doesn't work that. Music doesn't
Speaker 1: do that. It just doesn't do that. We had another
Speaker 1: song called It's a Black Thing, because we had a
Speaker 1: song called know what was the black Thing? It was
Speaker 1: literally it was just what it's a black thing? It was.
Speaker 1: That was the phrase of the moment, y'all, David, if
Speaker 1: you gotta ask, you'll never know. Buddy. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember my first the first line of mine, because that
Speaker 1: was just that was that was a that was hip hop,
Speaker 1: but with like, um see this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And it had kind of like a an up tempo
Speaker 1: almost house beat, but we were wrapping over it and
Speaker 1: then it had uh we were singing the hook. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of qualifiers here. There was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm trying to remember. I think that
Speaker 1: it was like bo knows this, Boe knows that, but
Speaker 1: bo don't know a damn thing about the lyrics that
Speaker 1: a brother bring. I can't remember the rest of the
Speaker 1: goddamn song because inside out it's wicked, wicked. What how
Speaker 1: do you know you bought? You bought our album? What was?
Speaker 1: I can't damn I can't. I wish I could remember
Speaker 1: the rest of it. It was is the really ridiculous
Speaker 1: let me before we go to break. I have to ask,
Speaker 1: because you started this this episode off by saying that
Speaker 1: you did, at one point believe in the conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that that boy is laying down, And I have to
Speaker 1: know how that came to be what you believed in.
Speaker 1: What has changed since? Because I did look into it,
Speaker 1: and you know, and there and I saw a couple
Speaker 1: of articles about like, hey, why are about colorism in music?
Speaker 1: And and specifically why light skin performers do better? And
Speaker 1: the list was like Beyonce, Marian Carey, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: I was thinking of Chris Brown at one point, you know,
Speaker 1: he popped why some of those they blew her up?
Speaker 1: Some of those videos? Um, and then and then the
Speaker 1: woman I'm thinking, I'm forgetting Alicia Keys, But then I
Speaker 1: I don't. Then I started thinking about all the other
Speaker 1: artists that, I mean, new addition is mostly dark skinned,
Speaker 1: and and the light skin brothers are in the background,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was. I was a Ronney Devote.
Speaker 1: I was a Michael Bivens, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like kind of hanging on the back, do the harm
Speaker 1: and age. I just wanted to play ball, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like I neo a con I think there's so
Speaker 1: many more dark skinned sitting boys to men are a
Speaker 1: dark skinned group after seven? Yes, yeah, I mean here's
Speaker 1: what I think. I think what the light skinned folks
Speaker 1: have or what they do, is they find a way
Speaker 1: to rise above. I mean, there are more people in
Speaker 1: Destiny's Child, four people in Destiny's Child. Somehow Beyonce just
Speaker 1: went all the way, you know what I mean, cannibalized
Speaker 1: the whole ship. Yeah, yeah, uh devote. Look, every new
Speaker 1: Edition fan, male or female will tell you the coolest
Speaker 1: cat in that group is Ronnie de Vot. I mean,
Speaker 1: Ralph is a close second. I'm a Ralph man myself,
Speaker 1: but I'm a body guy. But I understand why that's
Speaker 1: for everybody. But okay, but there again, Bobby Brown, dark
Speaker 1: skinned dude left new addition, new addition, and then just
Speaker 1: went far beyond what they were right there, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I think dark skinned folks have been, you know,
Speaker 1: putting it down in R and B for a while now.
Speaker 1: But the light skin folks do find a way to
Speaker 1: peek through there and and you know, steal sometimes steal
Speaker 1: the shine. And what would that talent be? What would
Speaker 1: you call that skill? Again? Be careful what about that
Speaker 1: break where we going on a fellas. I don't think
Speaker 1: you have to answer it. I'm happy to throw the brain.
Speaker 1: I'm thirsty, I'm about let me take a go ahead.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with laughing too,
Speaker 1: damn hard and more, my mama told me. And we
Speaker 1: are back. Stop stop, oh stop, Yeah, we're back here.
Speaker 1: We're back with more Kevin Avery more. My mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that light skinned people
Speaker 1: are are inherently naturally God given good at R and
Speaker 1: b uh. That drop came to us from a listener
Speaker 1: named Gary. Gary sent us that dropping, and it seemed
Speaker 1: very apt to play today given the conversation. M hmm. Indeed,
Speaker 1: something just occurred to me. Something just occurred to me. Uh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if there we've seen a turn and that
Speaker 1: back in the day, the birth of these groups, all
Speaker 1: the motown groups and stuff, if that's when the light
Speaker 1: skinned singers really had their day. Michael, are we're talking
Speaker 1: Smokey Robinson? I think I keep thinking about Smokey. I
Speaker 1: don't I mean, I don't know those groups. I don't
Speaker 1: know the lineup of those groups that well, I don't
Speaker 1: you know, but with a temptation. Who were the light
Speaker 1: skin cats and like the temptations, Michael was dark. He
Speaker 1: made a choice that don't count. Yeah, Michael slipped into
Speaker 1: light skinis um. Yeah, that was he learned he was.
Speaker 1: He learned it late in life. There were no darks,
Speaker 1: there were no light skin temptations. I don't think no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't remember a light skin pip.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a light skin pip. I
Speaker 1: think it was smoky. Smokey is the best example I
Speaker 1: think anybody can come up with. And he he had
Speaker 1: light eyes. So I feel like that's a that's a
Speaker 1: whole different type of person, you know what I mean? Yes,
Speaker 1: this is I'm not qualified to speak on that lights.
Speaker 1: Being with light eyes feels like a different game than
Speaker 1: what I'm playing, do you know what I mean? Michael
Speaker 1: Eally and Boris Kojoe are not putting the same same
Speaker 1: energy out in I think that's reason. I think it's
Speaker 1: just I think that's how I feel about like very
Speaker 1: physically fit, dark skinned men and myself. Yeah, exactly. It's
Speaker 1: like you see Jiman Hansu without a shirt on. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not Those aren't the worlds I'm going for. No,
Speaker 1: we we didn't have the same opportunities laid in front
Speaker 1: of us in the theater. I see Michael Eally around
Speaker 1: my neighborhood semi regularly, and I just seemed suddenly it's
Speaker 1: just I feel like he's my nemesis for all the
Speaker 1: brother has never done anything to me, but I see
Speaker 1: him and I'm just like the eyes they are piercing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let me let me break this down. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of this work came from this is actually
Speaker 1: this is this is good for my my personal story.
Speaker 1: I'm getting this right now. I have a play cousin
Speaker 1: who is six years older than me, who is light
Speaker 1: skinned with green eyes and sang on and being danced
Speaker 1: and all that time, and we would go to the
Speaker 1: mall and ship and people would ask if he could
Speaker 1: sing and ship like that. So I think that this
Speaker 1: may be, this may be, this may be about light
Speaker 1: skinned people with green eyes. From me there we also
Speaker 1: had we also had another girl that was around us
Speaker 1: all the time, and she had blue eyes, but she
Speaker 1: was not as light skinned as he was. And I'm
Speaker 1: so happy. I guess they hear you saying this, because
Speaker 1: it does feel like, now we're getting to the root
Speaker 1: of where some of this this feeling is coming from.
Speaker 1: That that, while I'm sure there's plenty of evidence, Kevin,
Speaker 1: as you pointed out there are some light skinned singers
Speaker 1: and performers that that that populate the the sort of
Speaker 1: charts as they were, there seems to me to be
Speaker 1: a pretty a pretty substantial, if not heavier leaning ratio
Speaker 1: towards dark skinned people. Now I'm gonna say, I don't
Speaker 1: know why, I don't trust what you're saying right now,
Speaker 1: but I feel heavily on the defensive for some reason.
Speaker 1: I took the time to look up you know, the list,
Speaker 1: and I do think your point about Whitney Houston and
Speaker 1: the right lighting. They probably did a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: to make Whitney look darker or rather lighter than she
Speaker 1: actually was. Oh, they blew up a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jojo or Casey from Casey and
Speaker 1: Jojo Freaking he's blasted with like all those videos. He
Speaker 1: looks like almost light skin. Now I'll say this about Joda.
Speaker 1: See Davante was light skinned, right, Yeah, he's light skin
Speaker 1: and he was the King of jodas he was the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the brains behind the operation. Yeah, but fellas,
Speaker 1: how did that workout for him? I didn't do That's
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. Had a run. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, don't do not have this moment. Let's
Speaker 1: not see here. They put his name in the middle
Speaker 1: and then they kicked him out. What do you want?
Speaker 1: What do you want? Him like? I don't think. Well.
Speaker 1: A couple of fun facts about Jody. See there's a
Speaker 1: fifth member, oh is fat I don't I've never seen him,
Speaker 1: but he's a guy. I can't remember his name, but
Speaker 1: he was on the original the original demos of the
Speaker 1: songs that they recorded that they took to Andre Horrell
Speaker 1: when they were all going to go up to New York.
Speaker 1: He was he was gonna go with them, and he
Speaker 1: his girlfriend got pregnant, and they were like, well, hangback, bro,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go up there. Take care of this business.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he if he, I think, let's
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think he was like, I need
Speaker 1: to stay with my girl. They were like, cool, we'll
Speaker 1: go handle this. It will send for you when it's
Speaker 1: when it's all about to go down. But Andre Horrell
Speaker 1: was like, I like this this two sets of brothers thing.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be y'all. And that was that whoa,
Speaker 1: that's heartbreaking. Yeah. And the other thing is that DeVante
Speaker 1: I believe at one point he was dating I just
Speaker 1: thought this was the weirdest thing. He was dating the
Speaker 1: daughter of a you know, hardcore evangelist, one of the
Speaker 1: popular ones. I think it was Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. No,
Speaker 1: their daughter, Yo, that guy that's like forever cements him
Speaker 1: being a legend. To me, that's the most amazing thing
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. I don't know. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: both they were both from like Tentecostal churches, so they
Speaker 1: were you know, before you celebrate too much, I will
Speaker 1: say that that is technically the formula to making a
Speaker 1: light skin R and B singer is Davante mushing into
Speaker 1: Jim and Tammy Faye Bakers. Which is another song that
Speaker 1: I think was on Kevin's demo, mushing in Big. That
Speaker 1: was one of my big that was That was an
Speaker 1: alepside lipsies after It's a Black Thing. When you're putting
Speaker 1: the album order together, you gotta go it's a black things.
Speaker 1: Mushing in. I'm trying to remember some of the other
Speaker 1: titles that I can't. There was a song called Stalking.
Speaker 1: It was not about Nope, not about that. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to say it, but it was. It was about
Speaker 1: It was like about It was a very militant pro
Speaker 1: black song. Yeah, it was not about the other thing.
Speaker 1: There was something called the Same. I wrote a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of like romantic love ballads. I was
Speaker 1: that dude just kind of floating around in the you know,
Speaker 1: there are two kinds of R and B cruise. There
Speaker 1: are sexy there's the sexy boys and the sad boys.
Speaker 1: And I felt kind of in between the you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like because like you have boys two men.
Speaker 1: You were more boys, Yes, you were musician. We I
Speaker 1: was a sad boy. Yeah. I mean like, this is
Speaker 1: the thing that fascinates me about the boys to men's
Speaker 1: trajectory is that they came out at the same year
Speaker 1: as Jody See. They were before Joe to See, I believe,
Speaker 1: and they were they hit their stride and then Jody
Speaker 1: See stepped out and just them overalls and nothing else
Speaker 1: and doing the whole thing, and everyone was like who
Speaker 1: are they? And boys the men were still on bended
Speaker 1: knee like, hey, hello, you like just to watch the
Speaker 1: audience leave Boys to Men and go to Joe to see.
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting well, I will say I
Speaker 1: think Boys the Men played it right in that, like
Speaker 1: Joda see took their shirts off, and then boys the
Speaker 1: Men were like, we'll put more sweaters on scruly where
Speaker 1: cardigans on top of cardigans? Yeah, we're not gonna play
Speaker 1: this game with you little tiny buff boys and Joda
Speaker 1: you can't tie a bow tie? They were all like,
Speaker 1: skinny ass dudes. I think it. I don't think if
Speaker 1: it came down to it physically, Boys to Men would
Speaker 1: give Joe to See the word. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: That stick? Are you serious? They didn't have this. Michael
Speaker 1: had this stick because he needed it because he was
Speaker 1: in crippling pain walking around trying to sing. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had some he had like some physical disease that like
Speaker 1: made it so that he needed the cane and then
Speaker 1: tried to be sick. So one of the things I
Speaker 1: did think to research in relation to this topic, and
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot that I felt like I could
Speaker 1: really unpack this this new territory. Yes, the one of
Speaker 1: the things that I found is that research does show
Speaker 1: that in terms of anatomical representations, representations and textbooks, one
Speaker 1: point one percent of the diet rams represented our dark
Speaker 1: skin tones, while eighty three point five percent represented light
Speaker 1: skin tones. Us. Your talent, your talent. Yeah, I seen
Speaker 1: one guy who looked like me on TV. It was me.
Speaker 1: You were the first in your entire life that you
Speaker 1: saw on that looked like I mean, it was big
Speaker 1: on that episode of Martin it was rock towards the
Speaker 1: end when he got thicker. Ah, what's about it? Damn?
Speaker 1: This is how you're talking about a big dude and
Speaker 1: dark skin dudes, big dark Yeah. Man, you face on love,
Speaker 1: face on Love, had a big farenthood Gary Anthony Williams. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: on his big I think his big thing was his
Speaker 1: big start was Malcolm in the middle, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. Not a lot of no what's
Speaker 1: his face family? The dad on family matters, Carl Winslow,
Speaker 1: it's it's something uh something vein, Yes, thank you, Reginald Beljohn.
Speaker 1: That's it. There you go, But there's not. I think
Speaker 1: That's where I'm coming from. Also, it's that there's just
Speaker 1: not a lot of representation, so you sweep it all together.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, And to that, researchers note
Speaker 1: in relation to this textbook there you're not necessarily to
Speaker 1: to what you're speaking to. But I imagine it has
Speaker 1: painting me in the corner. I think there's some correlation
Speaker 1: that you could create. The researchers note that such skin
Speaker 1: color bias has a negative impact on the health outcomes
Speaker 1: of people with dark skinned tones, who may avoid or
Speaker 1: delay sexual education opportunities or clinical care if they do
Speaker 1: not see themselves represented in the recommended resources. I wanted
Speaker 1: on WAX. I learned about sex early, but the other things.
Speaker 1: But that's crazy that that if you don't see yourself,
Speaker 1: you don't then learn to your see yourself in sex textbooks.
Speaker 1: You then will will opt not towards like sexual health
Speaker 1: and responsibility, at least based on the research and to
Speaker 1: the larger concern, if you're not seeing yourself be sexy
Speaker 1: on TV, you will then not know the language or
Speaker 1: how to apply the language of sexy in your your
Speaker 1: other everyday ship. That's facts. Though I had to go
Speaker 1: out and get it myself. You do have to like,
Speaker 1: like like to that end. Like it was like until
Speaker 1: I had been sexually active for a bit I had
Speaker 1: always viewed my skin as a detriment because that's the
Speaker 1: only way it had ever been. Like like, not just
Speaker 1: the lack of dark skinned people on television, but then
Speaker 1: to go to the lack of like like seeing a
Speaker 1: super dark dude get a girl on on TV is
Speaker 1: like seen an Asian dude get a girl on TV.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very right, But then do you think
Speaker 1: that's potentially why? And this is a reach, Like there
Speaker 1: are so many dark skinned singers who I at some point,
Speaker 1: let's just say, from the Joe to see point on
Speaker 1: just leaned into the sexualization of themselves and their music
Speaker 1: because it was something that might not necessarily have been
Speaker 1: out there for a while, are you? I mean, I
Speaker 1: can just I can just remember a time when I
Speaker 1: to listen to two R and B singers and being like, hey,
Speaker 1: y'all need to calm the hell that we are not
Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I'm saying. But because they
Speaker 1: were all doing every one of them was like, let
Speaker 1: me tell you what, I'm a dudey, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm nineteen, Like wait
Speaker 1: a minute, child, you know, Yeah, I wonder that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I mean there's always been hyper sexualized black
Speaker 1: sing result. You take it back to right, Teddy Pendergrass
Speaker 1: when we did concerts for women for a while. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, right, So that was a rule he made that,
Speaker 1: like you couldn't come to his concert if you want
Speaker 1: a woman. Well that was his manager's Chef Gordon being like,
Speaker 1: I believe it was Chef Gordon. Somebody can quote me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but that was his manager being like,
Speaker 1: that's what we lean into a dent. Wow. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was like an invite thing, like if you're
Speaker 1: a man, you could come, but you yeah, do you
Speaker 1: what do you think you? Yeah, Teddy p ain't talking
Speaker 1: to use like yeah, one brother back their arms folded,
Speaker 1: like all right, all right, okay, you warned me fair enough.
Speaker 1: So so I guess the question that I sort of
Speaker 1: have BORI uh, and I'm directing this one at you,
Speaker 1: But Kevin, I'd love to hear your thoughts as well.
Speaker 1: Is given given what we know now, are you starting
Speaker 1: to at least reconsider statistically the difference, what consider the
Speaker 1: possibility that this is more about treatment inside of it
Speaker 1: than it is about the actual statistics of light skinned
Speaker 1: people being naturally inclined for R and B. I mean,
Speaker 1: my whole life is a journey of learning. I'm open
Speaker 1: to that, you know what I mean. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here. I think that I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of these things about representation, though, I think it lends
Speaker 1: people to telling young people which direction to move in
Speaker 1: because of representation, where it's like, if you're more inclined,
Speaker 1: maybe the visibility is there, but you're still more inclined
Speaker 1: to think that this is this type of thing for
Speaker 1: this type of person. I think that that is the
Speaker 1: type of thing that children internalize a lot exactly what
Speaker 1: I mean. I think. I think definitely that is the case. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the whole reason I'm in a singing
Speaker 1: group is because when I was a kid, my mom
Speaker 1: I saw a new addition on TV and was like,
Speaker 1: look at these little kids singing, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so little kids can do this. I mean, that's exactly
Speaker 1: how it happened. That's the only reason I was. I
Speaker 1: got excited about someday doing that. So yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: but my I just I just wonder because yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't believe. I think it's the opposite. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: clearly it seems like they're more dark skinned singers popular
Speaker 1: dark skinned singers than there are light skinned and I
Speaker 1: just wonder, and that was the whole reason I brought
Speaker 1: this up. You're not trapped in here with me. I'm
Speaker 1: trapped here with you. You want to be the way
Speaker 1: around I'm the victim. I do. Then, I do think
Speaker 1: to that larger point, there is a weird association even
Speaker 1: as a light skinned person, now that we are clearly
Speaker 1: the victim in this story, as a life skanned person,
Speaker 1: it is that weird thing of people being like light
Speaker 1: scanned R and B singing motherfucker, and it's like, dog,
Speaker 1: it's only like three of us, and one of them
Speaker 1: is I'll be sure, like it's not. We're not hitting
Speaker 1: great numbers here. Truly, John B was a white man.
Speaker 1: He scammed you all, like, yeah, he's not even be
Speaker 1: not black. You just have a lineup that Yellow Dog
Speaker 1: all for one, that song, that's that group all for one.
Speaker 1: Those were white guys. They weren't. Those weren't black. Even better,
Speaker 1: they were Asians. I think I they'll call me on it,
Speaker 1: but I think they were Asians. I at one point
Speaker 1: thought New Kids on the Block was black because I
Speaker 1: heard that. I heard the first that please don't go girl,
Speaker 1: and a little Joey McIntyre singing that fall out. I
Speaker 1: just assumed black. First of all, there were no white kids.
Speaker 1: There are no white guys out there doing that at
Speaker 1: the time, so I just like another group black kids.
Speaker 1: And then I saw him, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: is happened? Yeah, not at all. In fact, one of them,
Speaker 1: uh is at least the brother to a deeply racist
Speaker 1: man who's now become a lovely uh I guess actor
Speaker 1: and household names. Yeah, it's word on the street. But
Speaker 1: the point is, I think that some of this is
Speaker 1: a little bit coming from from our expectations of each
Speaker 1: other more than it is our actual like knowledge of
Speaker 1: each other. Right. But but to go even beyond that,
Speaker 1: there is a weird thing where I mean, look going
Speaker 1: back to the days of the Cotton Club, where in
Speaker 1: entertainment the light skin folks were put out front and
Speaker 1: and so I think it's hard to sort of shake that,
Speaker 1: even if in the it's weird like TV TV light
Speaker 1: skin music back in the day, you know, uh, light skin.
Speaker 1: But in between there's been this space in between that
Speaker 1: where it's been occupied by a lot of dark at
Speaker 1: least music in the music world, it's been occupied by
Speaker 1: a lot of dark skinned folks, and I think that's
Speaker 1: that's a hundred percent fair And something that we can't
Speaker 1: we can't skip past, right, is that there is a
Speaker 1: a priority placed on light skin performers in a lot
Speaker 1: of different spaces, and especially more visual spaces, right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: especially especially back in the day music was a lot
Speaker 1: less visual, you know what I mean, you didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: know what Casey looks like, but you didn't know what
Speaker 1: exactly there. There's a very intentional choosing of who will
Speaker 1: become our representation, and then it would be unfair to
Speaker 1: not acknowledge that. But statistically, Luther Van draws, Baby, that's
Speaker 1: the best that ever did it darker than that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, I think also there's a
Speaker 1: component of a threat is more threatening when it's visual
Speaker 1: and so on, you're gonna see more light skin you know,
Speaker 1: quote unquote non threatening folks on TV. They you know,
Speaker 1: I think White America was able to look the other
Speaker 1: way and we're not worried about what these R and
Speaker 1: B singers are doing. They're doing that thing and and
Speaker 1: so and especially you know, music being as segregated as
Speaker 1: it was for a long time, it was like, sure,
Speaker 1: we ain't worried about it. And so you saw a
Speaker 1: lot of dark skinned artists breaking through and really not
Speaker 1: taken over, but just you know, they we're everywhere the
Speaker 1: you know, dark skinned artists like you said, I don't
Speaker 1: remember lights can do them, the Temptations or you know,
Speaker 1: or or whatever. And so it almost is like there
Speaker 1: was a time when the you know, the Dude and
Speaker 1: the Sky's Scraper was like, let's just leave them to
Speaker 1: their own devices. Yeah, in a in a yuckier way.
Speaker 1: It also then reminds me the transformation it makes, because
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. There was a period where
Speaker 1: they were just like the Four Tops, the Delfonics, the Temptations,
Speaker 1: that I'll be dark, we don't give a ship that's
Speaker 1: there there stuff, And then at some point it became
Speaker 1: a and RS figuring out a way to sell this thing,
Speaker 1: package this thing. And it doesn't feel dissimilar to like
Speaker 1: the white rapper conversation, right there are not more white rappers,
Speaker 1: but the white rappers that make it get elevated in
Speaker 1: a way that makes you feel like, yo, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is happening. That makes it so that they that,
Speaker 1: whether he's talented or not, there's no reason this individual
Speaker 1: should be so far ahead of everybody else at his
Speaker 1: same level caliber whatever. That's exactly it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's similarly, you know, and I'm not familiar with these groups,
Speaker 1: but I you know, I've heard about this, the idea
Speaker 1: that in the fifties or sixties, there would be the
Speaker 1: you know, whoever out there, you know, insert whatever black
Speaker 1: scene group out there doing their thing, and then they
Speaker 1: would find a white yeah sort of mirror what they did. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and so right, yeah, yeah, so I mean I think
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you know, the business side of music
Speaker 1: has always figured out a way to go, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let them do their thing, and we're gonna elevate
Speaker 1: our people, and you know, and sort of it's what
Speaker 1: literally happened with singing groups. It's what literally happened with
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no such thing as a boy
Speaker 1: band before, just it wasn't a thing. And then new
Speaker 1: kids in the block showed up, and white people never
Speaker 1: really heard of this, what what what is it? There
Speaker 1: was like boys and it's a boy band, I guess, right,
Speaker 1: And now everybody who was in a singing group is
Speaker 1: a boy band, right, because the nobody was calling the
Speaker 1: Beatles a boy band. But it's the same formula of
Speaker 1: four handsome guys and yeah, handsome for that time period
Speaker 1: there uggoes to me and and always will be, but
Speaker 1: handsome for that time period got together and had women
Speaker 1: swooning over their their popular music. It's not like a
Speaker 1: foreign concept. So so what I'm if I'm here, if
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you fellas correctly, I think what we need
Speaker 1: today is like an R and B group of like
Speaker 1: for ugly ass light skin dudes. I like this, rights,
Speaker 1: that's what we need to change the narrative. We need
Speaker 1: four Maybe old kind of hushed it down, like yeah,
Speaker 1: because they needed boys to men body, boys to men bodies. Uh.
Speaker 1: I want them to have a C section, scars under
Speaker 1: their eyes. I wanted to be real bad. One's got
Speaker 1: acne like adult acne, and then one's got a dolte races. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They they've got to look like all the stages of
Speaker 1: Little Wayne, uh, spread out across for four men, maybe
Speaker 1: just you know, uh, just for for shipping giggles. One
Speaker 1: of them has a bluetooth in their ear at all, yeah,
Speaker 1: that both. Maybe one of those belts. You remember those belts.
Speaker 1: He would wear that light up and they they say,
Speaker 1: with the name plate that says your name across. That's right,
Speaker 1: going back to a light Skentuckstan. Now, come on, brother,
Speaker 1: we all I did not have a name one Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't have one. Though I did not have one.
Speaker 1: I did not have one. I didn't I didn't either.
Speaker 1: I thought about what I would program. Hey, none of us,
Speaker 1: none of us have done horrible things in our lives.
Speaker 1: We all, we all made the perfect choice. No, that's
Speaker 1: not you can't do that to me because I didn't
Speaker 1: have a nameplate belt. I think that's not I think
Speaker 1: in the middle of in the middle of my civil
Speaker 1: rights speech, you went, well, I don't agree with that part.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a digital nameplate belt. You can't vaulte
Speaker 1: me for that. Man. I got it. I understood the look.
Speaker 1: You get a long sleep white tea with like a
Speaker 1: rapper on it. You do a French French right, But
Speaker 1: don't you dare call it a French stuck. Don't you go, hey, fellas,
Speaker 1: here's a French stuck. No, you can't tell people it's
Speaker 1: the French too. But you know, I know I didn't
Speaker 1: know what you were talking about, and yet I knew
Speaker 1: exactly what you meant. Yeah, man, I googled French tuck
Speaker 1: not seven days ago. I learned it from Tan french
Speaker 1: On unclear. I somehow just knew it. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's good. It's inherent. Oh boy, it's inherent. Another French stuck.
Speaker 1: It's inherent for light skinned people to do R and B.
Speaker 1: It's there are in certain things that are just God made,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look, I'm living proof I did it.
Speaker 1: We all are living one finger in my ear, the
Speaker 1: whole the whole deal. You did that. Langston had a
Speaker 1: nameplate belt and I played offensive line. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of us whore just we're just we're just living the
Speaker 1: lives that we would. We're trying to We're trying to
Speaker 1: get break out of our boxes. You know. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is it does feel like those those Choose your on
Speaker 1: adventure books where you're always gonna die, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, You're never gonna make it to the end
Speaker 1: and get in the rocket ship. Something bad was gonna happen. Well, Kevin,
Speaker 1: before we before we wrap this thing up and I
Speaker 1: think I think we nailed this episode. But I think
Speaker 1: we got it. Oh, I think so. I think there
Speaker 1: should be a textbook and on that. They should just
Speaker 1: transcribe this. Oh yeah, put it in a museum somewhere. Look,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question, because it sounds like,
Speaker 1: was your brother apart of the group as well? Was that?
Speaker 1: Were you guys in this together? No? He um no,
Speaker 1: but he did a weird thing. We're like. He then
Speaker 1: told me he had joined some group and I never
Speaker 1: got to the bottom of it, got to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it. I just remember he one I came home
Speaker 1: for like the holidays, and he was like, he was
Speaker 1: in college and he was like, yeah, they called me
Speaker 1: sexual chocolate And I was like, whoa, Okay, You're like
Speaker 1: college is crazy, bro, That's what he was like. He
Speaker 1: was very excited about that, and I didn't want to
Speaker 1: hear it, and uh, but there we were stuck in
Speaker 1: that moment together. So he I think he did it
Speaker 1: briefly and then it was it was not a He
Speaker 1: definitely took on the R and B character, if not
Speaker 1: the the actual R and B singing that you did yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he went through a lot of that stuff
Speaker 1: like he just sort of He's like, I'm gonna try this,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try this, and and then he went
Speaker 1: and like immediately after college, got a real job and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, about a house, and got married and did
Speaker 1: all the things. I guess the larger question comedy. But
Speaker 1: I mean that's because he got to live out his
Speaker 1: fantasy and sexual chocolate. Yeah yeah. If I if I
Speaker 1: wouldn't dumb old Langston Carman and I got to be
Speaker 1: sexual chocolate, I'd probably out of landed a little differently
Speaker 1: as well. Oh are you kidding me? Bro, I'd be
Speaker 1: like I'd be one of the top regional sellers of
Speaker 1: gard insurance, right, I'd be so you see, my sexual
Speaker 1: chocolate would be on your name tag though, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Or that would be on the plaque that
Speaker 1: they give you for making your numbers. It would also
Speaker 1: be on on my digital digital readout. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I guess the big question that I want to ask
Speaker 1: is any regrets about the R and B group? Where
Speaker 1: are you at in turn of the full circle? You're
Speaker 1: a grown man. You've you've moved on, you make great comedy.
Speaker 1: Now you do all the things that are opposite of
Speaker 1: what this is. Is there any part of you that's
Speaker 1: like this, This shouldn't have been part of the German Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think about what I wanted then, and
Speaker 1: I go, well, i'd be done by now, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I saw a new addition in
Speaker 1: concert like a month or two ago. They are one
Speaker 1: of the few groups that's still just out there doing it.
Speaker 1: But I, you know, I if our group had become successful,
Speaker 1: I think we might have had a moment and then
Speaker 1: we would have been gone, like a lot of groups
Speaker 1: where and then I don't know what i'd be doing.
Speaker 1: Maybe i'd still be doing stand up maybe, I you know,
Speaker 1: but I think I try not to regret the trajectory,
Speaker 1: even though I overthink it a lot. I think that's
Speaker 1: part of being in this business, being an artist. Why
Speaker 1: maybe I should have done this, you know whatever. But
Speaker 1: but I'm glad I that was I got to live
Speaker 1: a dream for a minute, and now I'm onto doing
Speaker 1: other things to live in other dreams. So that's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful that's a nice way for us to
Speaker 1: wrap this thing up. And look, if all else fails,
Speaker 1: I'm still light skin y'all. That's what I needed to
Speaker 1: and I think we did it, y'all. Kevin, could you
Speaker 1: tell the people at home where they can find you
Speaker 1: on what cool ships you have going on? Uh? Yeah
Speaker 1: you can. I'm I'm one of those people who's on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but some for some reason doesn't tweet. But I'm at
Speaker 1: Kevin Avery on Twitter if you want to follow nothingness. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at Kevin Avery Comedy
Speaker 1: and The Great North is on Sundays at Fox at
Speaker 1: eight thirty. I think we're on hytus now, but all
Speaker 1: are up so drawn Hulu, so go there and check
Speaker 1: out the show. And I'm even on the show from
Speaker 1: time to time. Look for my buddy Jarvis Dufrayne and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's that's it. The streets, hit the streets.
Speaker 1: Follow Kevin, uh and obviously watch The Great North? And
Speaker 1: then David, where can they find you? What you got
Speaker 1: going on? Ah? You know? Follow me on Instagram and
Speaker 1: cool Guy Jokes CD seven. I sometimes post, you know,
Speaker 1: things I've been grilling, places I go stand up dates. July.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at the DC improv. I don't know
Speaker 1: when this comes out, but I assume around man and
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, just hug your people. Have
Speaker 1: a good summer. Hell yeah, have a good summer. Hug
Speaker 1: your people. Go see David performed live. And as always,
Speaker 1: you can follow me in like Stinkerman on all platforms.
Speaker 1: And if you want to send us your drops, your
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, your degrading opinions about the work that we're doing,
Speaker 1: you can send it to my Mama pod at gmail
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Speaker 1: we did it by bitch, because of growing babies. My
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