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Speaker 1: tell me. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama

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Speaker 1: I'm David Borden and I'm your co host Legs and Carmen.

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Speaker 1: We're so happy to be here with you. We're talking

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Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that light skinned people

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Speaker 1: He learned it late in life. There were no darks,

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00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: there were no light skin temptations. I don't think no,

425
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't remember a light skin pip.

426
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a light skin pip. I

427
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: think it was smoky. Smokey is the best example I

428
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: think anybody can come up with. And he he had

429
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: light eyes. So I feel like that's a that's a

430
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: whole different type of person, you know what I mean? Yes,

431
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: this is I'm not qualified to speak on that lights.

432
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Being with light eyes feels like a different game than

433
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: what I'm playing, do you know what I mean? Michael

434
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: Eally and Boris Kojoe are not putting the same same

435
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: energy out in I think that's reason. I think it's

436
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: just I think that's how I feel about like very

437
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: physically fit, dark skinned men and myself. Yeah, exactly. It's

438
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: like you see Jiman Hansu without a shirt on. That's

439
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: not that's not Those aren't the worlds I'm going for. No,

440
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: we we didn't have the same opportunities laid in front

441
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: of us in the theater. I see Michael Eally around

442
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: my neighborhood semi regularly, and I just seemed suddenly it's

443
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: just I feel like he's my nemesis for all the

444
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: brother has never done anything to me, but I see

445
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: him and I'm just like the eyes they are piercing. Yeah,

446
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: and let me let me break this down. I think

447
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: a lot of this work came from this is actually

448
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: this is this is good for my my personal story.

449
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm getting this right now. I have a play cousin

450
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: who is six years older than me, who is light

451
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: skinned with green eyes and sang on and being danced

452
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: and all that time, and we would go to the

453
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: mall and ship and people would ask if he could

454
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: sing and ship like that. So I think that this

455
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: may be, this may be, this may be about light

456
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: skinned people with green eyes. From me there we also

457
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: had we also had another girl that was around us

458
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: all the time, and she had blue eyes, but she

459
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: was not as light skinned as he was. And I'm

460
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: so happy. I guess they hear you saying this, because

461
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: it does feel like, now we're getting to the root

462
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: of where some of this this feeling is coming from.

463
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: That that, while I'm sure there's plenty of evidence, Kevin,

464
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: as you pointed out there are some light skinned singers

465
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: and performers that that that populate the the sort of

466
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: charts as they were, there seems to me to be

467
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: a pretty a pretty substantial, if not heavier leaning ratio

468
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: towards dark skinned people. Now I'm gonna say, I don't

469
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: know why, I don't trust what you're saying right now,

470
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: but I feel heavily on the defensive for some reason.

471
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: I took the time to look up you know, the list,

472
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and I do think your point about Whitney Houston and

473
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: the right lighting. They probably did a bunch of stuff

474
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: to make Whitney look darker or rather lighter than she

475
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: actually was. Oh, they blew up a lot of people.

476
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jojo or Casey from Casey and

477
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: Jojo Freaking he's blasted with like all those videos. He

478
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: looks like almost light skin. Now I'll say this about Joda.

479
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: See Davante was light skinned, right, Yeah, he's light skin

480
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: and he was the King of jodas he was the Yeah,

481
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: he was the brains behind the operation. Yeah, but fellas,

482
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: how did that workout for him? I didn't do That's

483
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. Had a run. Don't do that.

484
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: Don't do that, don't do not have this moment. Let's

485
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: not see here. They put his name in the middle

486
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: and then they kicked him out. What do you want?

487
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: What do you want? Him like? I don't think. Well.

488
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: A couple of fun facts about Jody. See there's a

489
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: fifth member, oh is fat I don't I've never seen him,

490
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: but he's a guy. I can't remember his name, but

491
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: he was on the original the original demos of the

492
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: songs that they recorded that they took to Andre Horrell

493
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: when they were all going to go up to New York.

494
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: He was he was gonna go with them, and he

495
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: his girlfriend got pregnant, and they were like, well, hangback, bro,

496
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna go up there. Take care of this business.

497
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he if he, I think, let's

498
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think he was like, I need

499
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: to stay with my girl. They were like, cool, we'll

500
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: go handle this. It will send for you when it's

501
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: when it's all about to go down. But Andre Horrell

502
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: was like, I like this this two sets of brothers thing.

503
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be y'all. And that was that whoa,

504
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: that's heartbreaking. Yeah. And the other thing is that DeVante

505
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I believe at one point he was dating I just

506
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: thought this was the weirdest thing. He was dating the

507
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: daughter of a you know, hardcore evangelist, one of the

508
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: popular ones. I think it was Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. No,

509
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: their daughter, Yo, that guy that's like forever cements him

510
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: being a legend. To me, that's the most amazing thing

511
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. I don't know. I mean, they're

512
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: both they were both from like Tentecostal churches, so they

513
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: were you know, before you celebrate too much, I will

514
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: say that that is technically the formula to making a

515
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: light skin R and B singer is Davante mushing into

516
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Jim and Tammy Faye Bakers. Which is another song that

517
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I think was on Kevin's demo, mushing in Big. That

518
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: was one of my big that was That was an

519
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: alepside lipsies after It's a Black Thing. When you're putting

520
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: the album order together, you gotta go it's a black things.

521
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Mushing in. I'm trying to remember some of the other

522
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: titles that I can't. There was a song called Stalking.

523
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: It was not about Nope, not about that. I didn't

524
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: want to say it, but it was. It was about

525
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: It was like about It was a very militant pro

526
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: black song. Yeah, it was not about the other thing.

527
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: There was something called the Same. I wrote a lot

528
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: of a lot of like romantic love ballads. I was

529
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: that dude just kind of floating around in the you know,

530
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: there are two kinds of R and B cruise. There

531
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: are sexy there's the sexy boys and the sad boys.

532
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: And I felt kind of in between the you know

533
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, like because like you have boys two men.

534
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: You were more boys, Yes, you were musician. We I

535
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: was a sad boy. Yeah. I mean like, this is

536
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: the thing that fascinates me about the boys to men's

537
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: trajectory is that they came out at the same year

538
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: as Jody See. They were before Joe to See, I believe,

539
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: and they were they hit their stride and then Jody

540
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 1: See stepped out and just them overalls and nothing else

541
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: and doing the whole thing, and everyone was like who

542
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: are they? And boys the men were still on bended

543
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: knee like, hey, hello, you like just to watch the

544
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: audience leave Boys to Men and go to Joe to see.

545
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting well, I will say I

546
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: think Boys the Men played it right in that, like

547
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Joda see took their shirts off, and then boys the

548
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: Men were like, we'll put more sweaters on scruly where

549
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: cardigans on top of cardigans? Yeah, we're not gonna play

550
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: this game with you little tiny buff boys and Joda

551
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: you can't tie a bow tie? They were all like,

552
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: skinny ass dudes. I think it. I don't think if

553
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: it came down to it physically, Boys to Men would

554
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: give Joe to See the word. I don't know about that.

555
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: That stick? Are you serious? They didn't have this. Michael

556
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: had this stick because he needed it because he was

557
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: in crippling pain walking around trying to sing. Yeah, he

558
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: had some he had like some physical disease that like

559
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: made it so that he needed the cane and then

560
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: tried to be sick. So one of the things I

561
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: did think to research in relation to this topic, and

562
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: there isn't a lot that I felt like I could

563
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: really unpack this this new territory. Yes, the one of

564
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: the things that I found is that research does show

565
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: that in terms of anatomical representations, representations and textbooks, one

566
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: point one percent of the diet rams represented our dark

567
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: skin tones, while eighty three point five percent represented light

568
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: skin tones. Us. Your talent, your talent. Yeah, I seen

569
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: one guy who looked like me on TV. It was me.

570
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: You were the first in your entire life that you

571
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: saw on that looked like I mean, it was big

572
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: on that episode of Martin it was rock towards the

573
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: end when he got thicker. Ah, what's about it? Damn?

574
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: This is how you're talking about a big dude and

575
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: dark skin dudes, big dark Yeah. Man, you face on love,

576
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: face on Love, had a big farenthood Gary Anthony Williams. Yes, yes,

577
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: on his big I think his big thing was his

578
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: big start was Malcolm in the middle, you know. Yeah,

579
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. Not a lot of no what's

580
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: his face family? The dad on family matters, Carl Winslow,

581
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: it's it's something uh something vein, Yes, thank you, Reginald Beljohn.

582
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: That's it. There you go, But there's not. I think

583
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: That's where I'm coming from. Also, it's that there's just

584
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: not a lot of representation, so you sweep it all together.

585
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, And to that, researchers note

586
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: in relation to this textbook there you're not necessarily to

587
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: to what you're speaking to. But I imagine it has

588
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: painting me in the corner. I think there's some correlation

589
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: that you could create. The researchers note that such skin

590
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: color bias has a negative impact on the health outcomes

591
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: of people with dark skinned tones, who may avoid or

592
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: delay sexual education opportunities or clinical care if they do

593
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: not see themselves represented in the recommended resources. I wanted

594
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: on WAX. I learned about sex early, but the other things.

595
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: But that's crazy that that if you don't see yourself,

596
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: you don't then learn to your see yourself in sex textbooks.

597
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: You then will will opt not towards like sexual health

598
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: and responsibility, at least based on the research and to

599
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: the larger concern, if you're not seeing yourself be sexy

600
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: on TV, you will then not know the language or

601
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: how to apply the language of sexy in your your

602
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: other everyday ship. That's facts. Though I had to go

603
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: out and get it myself. You do have to like,

604
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: like like to that end. Like it was like until

605
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: I had been sexually active for a bit I had

606
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: always viewed my skin as a detriment because that's the

607
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: only way it had ever been. Like like, not just

608
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: the lack of dark skinned people on television, but then

609
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: to go to the lack of like like seeing a

610
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: super dark dude get a girl on on TV is

611
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: like seen an Asian dude get a girl on TV.

612
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very right, But then do you think

613
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: that's potentially why? And this is a reach, Like there

614
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: are so many dark skinned singers who I at some point,

615
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: let's just say, from the Joe to see point on

616
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: just leaned into the sexualization of themselves and their music

617
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: because it was something that might not necessarily have been

618
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: out there for a while, are you? I mean, I

619
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: can just I can just remember a time when I

620
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: to listen to two R and B singers and being like, hey,

621
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: y'all need to calm the hell that we are not

622
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I'm saying. But because they

623
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: were all doing every one of them was like, let

624
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: me tell you what, I'm a dudey, you know, it's

625
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm nineteen, Like wait

626
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: a minute, child, you know, Yeah, I wonder that's a

627
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: good question. I mean there's always been hyper sexualized black

628
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: sing result. You take it back to right, Teddy Pendergrass

629
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: when we did concerts for women for a while. Right, Oh,

630
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: that's right, right, So that was a rule he made that,

631
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: like you couldn't come to his concert if you want

632
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: a woman. Well that was his manager's Chef Gordon being like,

633
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: I believe it was Chef Gordon. Somebody can quote me

634
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but that was his manager being like,

635
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: that's what we lean into a dent. Wow. Yeah, I

636
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: think it was like an invite thing, like if you're

637
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: a man, you could come, but you yeah, do you

638
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: what do you think you? Yeah, Teddy p ain't talking

639
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: to use like yeah, one brother back their arms folded,

640
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: like all right, all right, okay, you warned me fair enough.

641
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: So so I guess the question that I sort of

642
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: have BORI uh, and I'm directing this one at you,

643
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: But Kevin, I'd love to hear your thoughts as well.

644
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Is given given what we know now, are you starting

645
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: to at least reconsider statistically the difference, what consider the

646
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: possibility that this is more about treatment inside of it

647
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: than it is about the actual statistics of light skinned

648
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: people being naturally inclined for R and B. I mean,

649
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: my whole life is a journey of learning. I'm open

650
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: to that, you know what I mean. I'm not gonna

651
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: sit here. I think that I think that a lot

652
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: of these things about representation, though, I think it lends

653
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: people to telling young people which direction to move in

654
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: because of representation, where it's like, if you're more inclined,

655
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe the visibility is there, but you're still more inclined

656
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: to think that this is this type of thing for

657
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: this type of person. I think that that is the

658
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: type of thing that children internalize a lot exactly what

659
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean. I think. I think definitely that is the case. Absolutely.

660
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the whole reason I'm in a singing

661
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: group is because when I was a kid, my mom

662
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: I saw a new addition on TV and was like,

663
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: look at these little kids singing, and I was like, oh,

664
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: so little kids can do this. I mean, that's exactly

665
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: how it happened. That's the only reason I was. I

666
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: got excited about someday doing that. So yeah, I think,

667
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: but my I just I just wonder because yeah, I

668
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: don't believe. I think it's the opposite. I think, you know,

669
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: clearly it seems like they're more dark skinned singers popular

670
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: dark skinned singers than there are light skinned and I

671
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: just wonder, and that was the whole reason I brought

672
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: this up. You're not trapped in here with me. I'm

673
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: trapped here with you. You want to be the way

674
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: around I'm the victim. I do. Then, I do think

675
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: to that larger point, there is a weird association even

676
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: as a light skinned person, now that we are clearly

677
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: the victim in this story, as a life skanned person,

678
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: it is that weird thing of people being like light

679
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: scanned R and B singing motherfucker, and it's like, dog,

680
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: it's only like three of us, and one of them

681
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: is I'll be sure, like it's not. We're not hitting

682
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: great numbers here. Truly, John B was a white man.

683
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: He scammed you all, like, yeah, he's not even be

684
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: not black. You just have a lineup that Yellow Dog

685
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: all for one, that song, that's that group all for one.

686
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: Those were white guys. They weren't. Those weren't black. Even better,

687
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: they were Asians. I think I they'll call me on it,

688
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: but I think they were Asians. I at one point

689
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: thought New Kids on the Block was black because I

690
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: heard that. I heard the first that please don't go girl,

691
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: and a little Joey McIntyre singing that fall out. I

692
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: just assumed black. First of all, there were no white kids.

693
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: There are no white guys out there doing that at

694
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: the time, so I just like another group black kids.

695
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: And then I saw him, and I was like, what

696
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: is happened? Yeah, not at all. In fact, one of them,

697
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: uh is at least the brother to a deeply racist

698
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: man who's now become a lovely uh I guess actor

699
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: and household names. Yeah, it's word on the street. But

700
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: the point is, I think that some of this is

701
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: a little bit coming from from our expectations of each

702
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: other more than it is our actual like knowledge of

703
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: each other. Right. But but to go even beyond that,

704
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: there is a weird thing where I mean, look going

705
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: back to the days of the Cotton Club, where in

706
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: entertainment the light skin folks were put out front and

707
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: and so I think it's hard to sort of shake that,

708
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: even if in the it's weird like TV TV light

709
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: skin music back in the day, you know, uh, light skin.

710
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: But in between there's been this space in between that

711
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: where it's been occupied by a lot of dark at

712
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: least music in the music world, it's been occupied by

713
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot of dark skinned folks, and I think that's

714
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: that's a hundred percent fair And something that we can't

715
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: we can't skip past, right, is that there is a

716
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: a priority placed on light skin performers in a lot

717
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: of different spaces, and especially more visual spaces, right, Yeah, exactly,

718
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: especially especially back in the day music was a lot

719
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: less visual, you know what I mean, you didn't necessarily

720
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: know what Casey looks like, but you didn't know what

721
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: exactly there. There's a very intentional choosing of who will

722
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: become our representation, and then it would be unfair to

723
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: not acknowledge that. But statistically, Luther Van draws, Baby, that's

724
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: the best that ever did it darker than that? Yeah,

725
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, I think also there's a

726
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: component of a threat is more threatening when it's visual

727
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and so on, you're gonna see more light skin you know,

728
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: quote unquote non threatening folks on TV. They you know,

729
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: I think White America was able to look the other

730
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: way and we're not worried about what these R and

731
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: B singers are doing. They're doing that thing and and

732
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: so and especially you know, music being as segregated as

733
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: it was for a long time, it was like, sure,

734
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: we ain't worried about it. And so you saw a

735
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: lot of dark skinned artists breaking through and really not

736
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: taken over, but just you know, they we're everywhere the

737
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: you know, dark skinned artists like you said, I don't

738
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: remember lights can do them, the Temptations or you know,

739
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: or or whatever. And so it almost is like there

740
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: was a time when the you know, the Dude and

741
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: the Sky's Scraper was like, let's just leave them to

742
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: their own devices. Yeah, in a in a yuckier way.

743
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: It also then reminds me the transformation it makes, because

744
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. There was a period where

745
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: they were just like the Four Tops, the Delfonics, the Temptations,

746
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: that I'll be dark, we don't give a ship that's

747
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: there there stuff, And then at some point it became

748
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: a and RS figuring out a way to sell this thing,

749
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: package this thing. And it doesn't feel dissimilar to like

750
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: the white rapper conversation, right there are not more white rappers,

751
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: but the white rappers that make it get elevated in

752
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: a way that makes you feel like, yo, what the

753
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: fuck is happening. That makes it so that they that,

754
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: whether he's talented or not, there's no reason this individual

755
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: should be so far ahead of everybody else at his

756
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: same level caliber whatever. That's exactly it. Yeah, I mean

757
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: it's similarly, you know, and I'm not familiar with these groups,

758
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: but I you know, I've heard about this, the idea

759
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: that in the fifties or sixties, there would be the

760
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, whoever out there, you know, insert whatever black

761
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: scene group out there doing their thing, and then they

762
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: would find a white yeah sort of mirror what they did. Yeah, exactly,

763
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and so right, yeah, yeah, so I mean I think

764
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you know, the business side of music

765
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: has always figured out a way to go, all right,

766
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: let's let them do their thing, and we're gonna elevate

767
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: our people, and you know, and sort of it's what

768
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: literally happened with singing groups. It's what literally happened with

769
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no such thing as a boy

770
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: band before, just it wasn't a thing. And then new

771
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: kids in the block showed up, and white people never

772
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: really heard of this, what what what is it? There

773
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: was like boys and it's a boy band, I guess, right,

774
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: And now everybody who was in a singing group is

775
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: a boy band, right, because the nobody was calling the

776
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: Beatles a boy band. But it's the same formula of

777
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: four handsome guys and yeah, handsome for that time period

778
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: there uggoes to me and and always will be, but

779
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: handsome for that time period got together and had women

780
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: swooning over their their popular music. It's not like a

781
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: foreign concept. So so what I'm if I'm here, if

782
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you fellas correctly, I think what we need

783
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: today is like an R and B group of like

784
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: for ugly ass light skin dudes. I like this, rights,

785
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: that's what we need to change the narrative. We need

786
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: four Maybe old kind of hushed it down, like yeah,

787
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: because they needed boys to men body, boys to men bodies. Uh.

788
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: I want them to have a C section, scars under

789
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: their eyes. I wanted to be real bad. One's got

790
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: acne like adult acne, and then one's got a dolte races. Yeah.

791
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: They they've got to look like all the stages of

792
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: Little Wayne, uh, spread out across for four men, maybe

793
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: just you know, uh, just for for shipping giggles. One

794
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: of them has a bluetooth in their ear at all, yeah,

795
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: that both. Maybe one of those belts. You remember those belts.

796
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: He would wear that light up and they they say,

797
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: with the name plate that says your name across. That's right,

798
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: going back to a light Skentuckstan. Now, come on, brother,

799
00:50:53,000 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: we all I did not have a name one Okay, okay,

800
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have one. Though I did not have one.

801
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: I did not have one. I didn't I didn't either.

802
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: I thought about what I would program. Hey, none of us,

803
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: none of us have done horrible things in our lives.

804
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: We all, we all made the perfect choice. No, that's

805
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: not you can't do that to me because I didn't

806
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: have a nameplate belt. I think that's not I think

807
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of in the middle of my civil

808
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: rights speech, you went, well, I don't agree with that part.

809
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have a digital nameplate belt. You can't vaulte

810
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: me for that. Man. I got it. I understood the look.

811
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: You get a long sleep white tea with like a

812
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: rapper on it. You do a French French right, But

813
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: don't you dare call it a French stuck. Don't you go, hey, fellas,

814
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: here's a French stuck. No, you can't tell people it's

815
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: the French too. But you know, I know I didn't

816
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: know what you were talking about, and yet I knew

817
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: exactly what you meant. Yeah, man, I googled French tuck

818
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: not seven days ago. I learned it from Tan french

819
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: On unclear. I somehow just knew it. I don't think

820
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: that's good. It's inherent. Oh boy, it's inherent. Another French stuck.

821
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: It's inherent for light skinned people to do R and B.

822
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: It's there are in certain things that are just God made,

823
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look, I'm living proof I did it.

824
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: We all are living one finger in my ear, the

825
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: whole the whole deal. You did that. Langston had a

826
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: nameplate belt and I played offensive line. There's a lot

827
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: of us whore just we're just we're just living the

828
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: lives that we would. We're trying to We're trying to

829
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: get break out of our boxes. You know. Yeah, this

830
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: is it does feel like those those Choose your on

831
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: adventure books where you're always gonna die, you know what

832
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, You're never gonna make it to the end

833
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: and get in the rocket ship. Something bad was gonna happen. Well, Kevin,

834
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: before we before we wrap this thing up and I

835
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: think I think we nailed this episode. But I think

836
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: we got it. Oh, I think so. I think there

837
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: should be a textbook and on that. They should just

838
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: transcribe this. Oh yeah, put it in a museum somewhere. Look,

839
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question, because it sounds like,

840
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: was your brother apart of the group as well? Was that?

841
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: Were you guys in this together? No? He um no,

842
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: but he did a weird thing. We're like. He then

843
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: told me he had joined some group and I never

844
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: got to the bottom of it, got to the bottom

845
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: of it. I just remember he one I came home

846
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: for like the holidays, and he was like, he was

847
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: in college and he was like, yeah, they called me

848
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: sexual chocolate And I was like, whoa, Okay, You're like

849
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: college is crazy, bro, That's what he was like. He

850
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: was very excited about that, and I didn't want to

851
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: hear it, and uh, but there we were stuck in

852
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: that moment together. So he I think he did it

853
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: briefly and then it was it was not a He

854
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: definitely took on the R and B character, if not

855
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: the the actual R and B singing that you did yourself. Yeah,

856
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: I think he went through a lot of that stuff

857
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: like he just sort of He's like, I'm gonna try this,

858
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try this, and and then he went

859
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: and like immediately after college, got a real job and uh,

860
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, about a house, and got married and did

861
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: all the things. I guess the larger question comedy. But

862
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's because he got to live out his

863
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: fantasy and sexual chocolate. Yeah yeah. If I if I

864
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't dumb old Langston Carman and I got to be

865
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: sexual chocolate, I'd probably out of landed a little differently

866
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: as well. Oh are you kidding me? Bro, I'd be

867
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: like I'd be one of the top regional sellers of

868
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: gard insurance, right, I'd be so you see, my sexual

869
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: chocolate would be on your name tag though, yeah yeah, yeah,

870
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Or that would be on the plaque that

871
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: they give you for making your numbers. It would also

872
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: be on on my digital digital readout. Yeah, there you go.

873
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: I guess the big question that I want to ask

874
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: is any regrets about the R and B group? Where

875
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: are you at in turn of the full circle? You're

876
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: a grown man. You've you've moved on, you make great comedy.

877
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: Now you do all the things that are opposite of

878
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: what this is. Is there any part of you that's

879
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: like this, This shouldn't have been part of the German Yeah,

880
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think about what I wanted then, and

881
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I go, well, i'd be done by now, I think.

882
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I saw a new addition in

883
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: concert like a month or two ago. They are one

884
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: of the few groups that's still just out there doing it.

885
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: But I, you know, I if our group had become successful,

886
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: I think we might have had a moment and then

887
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: we would have been gone, like a lot of groups

888
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: where and then I don't know what i'd be doing.

889
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: Maybe i'd still be doing stand up maybe, I you know,

890
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: but I think I try not to regret the trajectory,

891
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: even though I overthink it a lot. I think that's

892
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: part of being in this business, being an artist. Why

893
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe I should have done this, you know whatever. But

894
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: but I'm glad I that was I got to live

895
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: a dream for a minute, and now I'm onto doing

896
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: other things to live in other dreams. So that's a beautiful,

897
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful that's a nice way for us to

898
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: wrap this thing up. And look, if all else fails,

899
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm still light skin y'all. That's what I needed to

900
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: and I think we did it, y'all. Kevin, could you

901
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: tell the people at home where they can find you

902
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: on what cool ships you have going on? Uh? Yeah

903
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: you can. I'm I'm one of those people who's on Twitter,

904
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: but some for some reason doesn't tweet. But I'm at

905
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: Kevin Avery on Twitter if you want to follow nothingness. Otherwise,

906
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at Kevin Avery Comedy

907
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: and The Great North is on Sundays at Fox at

908
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: eight thirty. I think we're on hytus now, but all

909
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: are up so drawn Hulu, so go there and check

910
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: out the show. And I'm even on the show from

911
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: time to time. Look for my buddy Jarvis Dufrayne and

912
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's that's it. The streets, hit the streets.

913
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: Follow Kevin, uh and obviously watch The Great North? And

914
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: then David, where can they find you? What you got

915
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: going on? Ah? You know? Follow me on Instagram and

916
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: cool Guy Jokes CD seven. I sometimes post, you know,

917
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: things I've been grilling, places I go stand up dates. July.

918
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at the DC improv. I don't know

919
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: when this comes out, but I assume around man and

920
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, just hug your people. Have

921
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: a good summer. Hell yeah, have a good summer. Hug

922
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: your people. Go see David performed live. And as always,

923
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: you can follow me in like Stinkerman on all platforms.

924
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: And if you want to send us your drops, your

925
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, your degrading opinions about the work that we're doing,

926
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: you can send it to my Mama pod at gmail

927
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: dot com. We would love to hear from you. All right,

928
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: we did it by bitch, because of growing babies. My

929
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: crop chips in your bails O. Koala bears are racist.

930
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: The host players lost money, many attorney stuff I can't

931
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Speaker 1: tell me.