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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hi

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Speaker 1: is Aaron? Yeah? What's up, Elizabeth Done? You know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: Oh girl do I? So there was this eighteen year

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Speaker 1: He gets pulled over by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, right,

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Speaker 1: while they're waiting for him to take the breathalyzer, they

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Speaker 1: So he's all terrified. Kids eighteen, So he's like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about the breath of wiser. So he rips

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Speaker 1: his underwear off and starts stuffing it in his mouth, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly about taking his pants off, Well, I don't know

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Speaker 1: pants off. I'm then he just ripped it. Anyway, He's

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Speaker 1: watching him stuff his drawers in his mouth. They're like,

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Speaker 1: how drunk is this boy? Right? Turns out. Kid, He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm doing chemistry over here. He's convinced

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Speaker 1: I don't know, absorb the alcohol he has been drinking

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Speaker 1: The cops are too busy laughing at him, so they

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Speaker 1: don't know what to do. They eventually, you know, arrest

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Speaker 1: happened to be that there was a bunch of law

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Speaker 1: what court is like. And this is the case. They

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Speaker 1: get the whole class, the whole legal class soon to

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Speaker 1: who cannot be removed with the bailiffs, they're all laughing too. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: not blow enough alcohol high enough content to be pulled

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Speaker 1: He got no charges. Judge released him because he said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this reading is far too low. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: why you were hassling this boy. I thought for sure

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Speaker 1: it would be super high, and it would be because

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Speaker 1: he had high octane booty juice. Yeah, is that an

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Speaker 1: energy drink. That's the new of new energy drink. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be so popular, saron, I bet you should

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Speaker 1: probably price it like Arizona iced tea, so that way

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Speaker 1: Everyone's going to have a sticker on their car that

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Speaker 1: says high octane booty juice Choco. Okay, So that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You laid it out on that one. Um. You want

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Speaker 1: to know what else is ridiculous? Getting elected as mayor

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Speaker 1: There it is. This is Ridiculous Crime. A podcast about

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Speaker 1: absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always murder

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Speaker 1: free and one ridiculous right. Uh For someone born and

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Speaker 1: They're all hilarious and they're all what I would classify

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Speaker 1: have a very Rhode Island story, and it's seriously ridiculous. Dave,

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Speaker 1: I hope, I do you proud? You'll don't keep an

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Speaker 1: man named Buddy Science. Buddy who know Vincent Albert Buddy

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Speaker 1: cianc Jr. He was an attorney, he was a radio

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Speaker 1: up ridiculously. So. Buddy was born April one in Providence,

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Speaker 1: the Rhode Island Attorney General's Anti corruption Strike Force, the

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Speaker 1: A year later, Walter Mondo bud he see it? Who won?

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Speaker 1: so he acts like they're the problem. Um. In eighty two,

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Speaker 1: like so someone that Buddy met through the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: Scenes his wife and kids. They all lived together. Buddy

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Speaker 1: Is it just me or is the yachts just equal

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Speaker 1: I'm like, just go set the money on fire. It

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Speaker 1: was a cheater, serial philanderer. Uh. They got into public

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Speaker 1: to form, politicis like baby, I can't run as a divorce,

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Speaker 1: It was known as the man who Rhode Island. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what does it matter? Part may matter? Well, Buddy had

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Speaker 1: On Sunday March, Buddy called de Leo and said, come

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Speaker 1: they were friends, I mean after the divorce, and y

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Speaker 1: I guess everything like he took his side. It's unclear.

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Speaker 1: Dilio agrees. Zaren. I want you to close your eyes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a year before this whole thing goes down, um, and

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00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: so you know it doesn't matter. She can be with

422
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: whoever she wants legally, the motivation is minimized because he

423
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: had separate filed the separation papers. Or is it more

424
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: so that, like, come on, Mancy, not your wife, and

425
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: like why would she's not your wife? He can't say

426
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: that de Leo caused alienation of affection because there's more

427
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: a chronology things, right. The grand jury indicted Buddy on

428
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: six charges of kidnapping, assault, assault with the danger his weapon,

429
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: and attempted extortion. He's facing seventy one years in prison

430
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: at this point. Ways his options, please deal, you have

431
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: to work with well, the judge says, okay, if you

432
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: plead guilty to the misdemeanor assault and the felony assault

433
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: with a dangerous weapon, you won't get jail time seventy

434
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: one years to know jail time if you just say

435
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: you did it. He pleads guilty to the two charges

436
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: of assault and the other four non assault charges against him,

437
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: and the ones against the cop hasn't dropped. Yeah, it's

438
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: good to be the mayor. April April three, he was

439
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: given a five year suspended sentence. Two days later April now,

440
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: a convicted felon, he resigns as mayor because he had

441
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: recently signed a law that forced elected officials to resign

442
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: if convicted of a felony himself and now he can't

443
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: even vote for himself to get himself back in office. Yeah.

444
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: But a week after that, he served as the Grand

445
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: Marshal at the Saint Joseph's Day per eight on Federal Hill,

446
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: and people were just him, the Grand Marshal. He's like

447
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: the local hero and they love him, and everyone was

448
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: just excited that he's there, budd, he writes later in

449
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: his book. As I walked down the street, people kept

450
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: encouraging me, trying to give me a lift. A young

451
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: man came up to me and embraced me, thanked me

452
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: for everything I've done for the city. As I passed

453
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the Fleet Center, which was then under construction, the workers

454
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: on the top floor stood and cheered. So, you know,

455
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: he gets away with all this um. The people love me.

456
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: What can I say? As he leaves office, four hundred

457
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: people gathered to see him off, and they were chanting

458
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: you'll be back. Yeah, And you know what they were

459
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: right because June Buddy announces I'm running again, running for mayor.

460
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: At first, like sixties six percent of the city said

461
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: they'd never vote for him again. But he won by

462
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: a margin of three seventeen votes, so he eked it out.

463
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: That's four comes around, easy re election, So he's one

464
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: ever went back six Rhode Island Monthly listed him as

465
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: the person that Rhode Island women most wanted to date.

466
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: You're king that the lego helmet hair guy. Okay, uh

467
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: ninety eight? He runs for mayor unopposed. Yeah, people like

468
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: forget at this point. Yeah, Providence is booming. That's why

469
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: Fall of ninety eight, construction begins on Providence Place, which

470
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: was known as the largest carpeted mall in New England.

471
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Carpeted I don't know why, really thick carpet which is

472
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: out there vacuum constantly opened in that following April. It

473
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: cost four and fifty million dollars and it was seven

474
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: stories tall. Huge. Um. It was the largest development project

475
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island history at that point. January but he

476
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: announces that he has this plan for an urban renewal

477
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: plan called New Cities, and it was for the waterfront

478
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: development um in like an industrial area along Allen's Avenue,

479
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: uh project downtown in one in the promenade district like

480
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: a river walk. Yeah. Did you ever watch that TV

481
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: show Brotherhood? Yeah? Yeah, showtime. Yeah. Um, I feel like

482
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: most of it could have been based on this, but

483
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: like Irish set of Italian and more state level than

484
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: city level. Um. So there's just all this corruption, and

485
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: the FEDS figured where there's corruption, there's Buddy siancey right, So,

486
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: I mean, after all it's all going down right in

487
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: his city Hall seems to be working really well for

488
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: the city. They keep re electing on they're getting business

489
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: development exactly. So the FBI decides that we're going to

490
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: set up a sting and we're gonna bust buddy, and

491
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: like we just got done with Mary and Barry. We

492
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: got a time on our hands, so this is early.

493
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: They find an informant, a man named Antonio Freydis. He's

494
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: a Portuguese immigrant. He owned an air conditioning and heating

495
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: installation company called j k L Engineering. Like mccon of

496
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Haze just keep living out that. I was like, all right,

497
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: uh so yeah, fredus right um JKLE Engineering. He owned

498
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: some other property that he wanted to lease to the city.

499
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: He was frustrated that his underbid on a lease to

500
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: the school department had been denied, like he intentionally underbid.

501
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: It's prohibitively and they didn't take they didn't bite um.

502
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: It was open because the previous lesser, Eddie vacla Um,

503
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: he had been recently indicted for insurance fraud and during

504
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: the investigation it was revealed that two have gotten the

505
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: bid that he got. Vocola paid regular bribes to a

506
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: city hall official named Frank Curente. So I also I

507
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: hate to drip. I think it's pronounced vela go on

508
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: uh vocala viola. He owned an auto body shop located

509
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: down the street would enter this story, and there was

510
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: suspicion that Freates may have been doing a little bit

511
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: of the bribeans too. So an FBI agent named Dennis Akin,

512
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: he goes up to Fred's and it's like, let me

513
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: see how he'll react to an accusation of bribery. So

514
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Freateus denies paying the bribes, and then he also volunteered

515
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: to wear a wire in order to quote help clean

516
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: up this city. Oh look at you. FBI is like,

517
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: all right, if you're willing, okay, you over here. So

518
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: they decided to set up this sting and they call

519
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: it Operation plunder Dome. Hell did they come up with that?

520
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: Fred's his nickname, Mr free On? Oh of course, Mr

521
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: free Mr Frean. He's an h VAT guy. Yeah, Operation

522
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: plundered On. They don't need another hero. It's right for you.

523
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Um So, over the course of a couple of years,

524
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Dr free On or yeah, I just didn't want to

525
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: get it's Mr free On. I gave him a little

526
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: bit of a degree that he didn't have, um Fredus.

527
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: He records all these conversations and interactions with corrupt city officials,

528
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: namely Providence Board of Tax Assessment and Review Chairman Joseph

529
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Pennone and his colleague vice Chairman David d which in

530
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: a book A bunch of books and articles is rhymes

531
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: with greed. Yeah. And Frank Cente. Parente was chief of

532
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: administration for Buddy and was also his campaign treasurer. It's deep,

533
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: he's dirty as mud, fred As says, and he's going

534
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: to do all these these like wires. Quote. I made

535
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: my accent very heavy, and they thought I was stupid,

536
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: so that worked in my advantage. Okay, okay uh. Penone

537
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: had been appointed to the tax board after he retired

538
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: from the restaurant business in the eighties, and he also

539
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: held a position as a urine inspector at the Lincoln

540
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Greyhound parkin inspector at Lincoln and they want to make

541
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: sure they're not a bus station. They're like, we're going

542
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: to need you to pee in this. When I first

543
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: read this, I was like, wait, he has to clean

544
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: the walls and the piles. I'm thinking he's like pist

545
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: testing the drivers. So you're thinking that testing the drivers.

546
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's like looking at all the yurine on

547
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: the walls and the greyhound station. It's to keep greyhound

548
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: racing honest. But he gets fired because he rarely showed up. Yes,

549
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying is made to be correct and

550
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: it's terrible. It's the Penone tells freedis things like quote,

551
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: there's no free lunches. It's money that counts. But Buddy

552
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: didn't take anything directly. Everything went through Karente Smart. Yeah.

553
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Penone also told Fredus that Buddy once told him quote,

554
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: never talk on the phone, never get a check, get

555
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: cash when you're one on one. Just basic lifeless. How

556
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: like when someone is going to tell you the way

557
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: it's like on a wire. Here's how you don't get caught.

558
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't wanna tell you all the things you're like

559
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: go on. So, during a meeting at Jkle Engineering, just

560
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: keep living. Penone asks Fredas if he had a video

561
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: camera hidden in his office. Freda says yeah, points right

562
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: at the video camera, but Panana doesn't think he's being serious,

563
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: so like he just keeps talking. I love that movie.

564
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: Penone introduced Fredus to coarent A December ninety eight and

565
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: January fred filmed Carente taking thousand dollar cash bribes and

566
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: he's got all of this on tape. Carente was thought

567
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: to be the bagman. That's what I'm thinking too. What

568
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: about David d rhymes with Greed. What about him? Well,

569
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: besides working for the tax assessment for David, Ead also

570
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: owned a vending machine company. There is I'm just going

571
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: to say, d used his connections to put his vending

572
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: machines in public buildings, and so freates approaches Eid pretends

573
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: that he needs cash so he could continue to pay

574
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: the various bribes to Pana Curente. Um D says, you

575
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: know what, I'll launder it, no props Um, I'm gonna

576
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: give you fake invoices for soda machines for j K

577
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: L just keep living engineering. Frates is going to writ

578
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: to check to the company. It's going to cash it.

579
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: Take ten. The FBI still couldn't make any direct connection

580
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: with Buddy, but we know that Buddy has to be involved.

581
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Did they nail him? When we come back from this break,

582
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: I'll let you know, all right, Saron. In the before times,

583
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: the FBI was trying its best to bust Buddy for

584
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: bribery or corruption or whatever they could figure out he

585
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: was up to. They called it Operation plunder Down So good,

586
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: So they come up with a plan. Antonio Freda's Portuguese

587
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: immigrant informant code named Mr Freon. He mentions to the

588
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: Providence Board of Tax Assessment with you Vice Chairman David

589
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: d a Ka sounds like greed um that he wants

590
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: to purchase two adjacent lots as part of a city

591
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: project to quote combat urban blaite. Always he's always doing

592
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: it for the greater good. D offers to talk to

593
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: the mayor and suggests that Fredus buy the lots for

594
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars each with a ten thou dollar bribe. Okay, yeah,

595
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: So the handoff is set to happen in the Mayor's

596
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: office and the FBI gets a warrant to bug the

597
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: mayor's office. Yes, set this all up. So an FBI

598
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: agent and Freds they go to city Hall dressed up

599
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: as j K L Engineering workers, which they're h fat guys,

600
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: but I'm imagining if you're just keep leving McConaughey style,

601
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: you're in like cutoffs, no shirt. One guy's pantless, has

602
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: a bongo drum like cut off jeans shorts have their

603
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: name bet like their name pat on it like you

604
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: would have on a friend. Yeah, exactly. Um. So they

605
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: say that they're there to repair the ventilation system. Custodium

606
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: gives him the keys, like knock yourselves out. Um. They

607
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: hide in the building. They make a wax imprint of

608
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the key to the mayor's office. But before they could

609
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: have this whole handoff, they go in. They bug it.

610
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Whatever ID calls the deal off. Why you're looking at me? Quizzically?

611
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: A woman called d On March says, guess what. Guess what?

612
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Baby frates working for the FEDS. Snap. I thought, guess what.

613
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. You're like, oh, I guess what. Sorry, guys,

614
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I have to go to an ultrasound. I can't go

615
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: to the handoff. Probably a better father than mine. Okay.

616
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: So he is like pretty sure that she's one of

617
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: Crente's girlfriends, and that Coarente, remember he's Buddy's campaign Trade

618
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: is mad that he's not part of the deal and

619
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: is just trying to double cross him. But in any case,

620
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: d spooked. He's like he goes and he confronts Fredus.

621
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, j k l. Fred This is like,

622
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not working for the FBI, working

623
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: for the CIA, and yeah, and it's like you card,

624
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: that's silly, kids, Mr Fan, I'm telling you listen, he's silly.

625
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: So April fifty FBI agents raids city Hall offices, all

626
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: those FBI jackets running. Oh god, yeah, they're like clinking

627
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: on the floor. Panone and d arrested. Rosemary Glancey, who

628
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: was a deputy tax assessor. She gets arrested. Yeah, she's

629
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: a fresh one. Um. That evening, Buddy gives a press

630
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: conference denied. He loves a press and when in doubt

631
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: press conference with Buddy, he denies any involvement, doesn't know

632
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: anything about It wasn't me. I would think he would say,

633
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: he jokes, you know what, you're not going to find

634
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: any stains on this jacket. Oh was this? Aw? I

635
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: don't think it wasn't a jack it it was address.

636
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: I think he's saying, I didn't spill any of that

637
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: slussle in me. Let the slas go all over the place.

638
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: I got you. I'm over here. I'm trying to keep

639
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: it you contemporaneous. That is a good that is a

640
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: good connection. But I'm gonna rule no, I understand. In May,

641
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: his pals are facing federal charges. Buddy, what's he doing

642
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: getting inducted into the Rhode Island Heritage Hall of Fame.

643
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like the parallel paths that they

644
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: have um So at first Pennana need not cooperating with

645
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: the Feds, but then they both agree, Okay, we'll make deals. Fine.

646
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 1: Penn's deal is revoked after a quote series of disastrous

647
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: meetings in which he fumbled and contradicted himself so he

648
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: can't get his whole thing straight. They say, guess what,

649
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: no deal. No, we don't believe anything you're saying. Yeah.

650
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: In two thousand, Pane and Glancy, the lady that showed

651
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: up at the last minute, the sentence to five and

652
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: two years, respectively in prison. Coarente gets indicted in two thousand.

653
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Now when this is going on. In July of two thousand,

654
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: when his pals are getting sentenced and indicted and going

655
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: through the ringer, buddy, what's he doing. He's appearing in

656
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: the Bristol Fourth of July parade riding a white police

657
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: horse just you know, like a lady was he naked

658
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: with hair flow, So the but you know these parades,

659
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: the honors, the events, the fun press conferences that can't last.

660
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I can't know nothing. Gold can stay, Saron, I've heard

661
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: this April two thousand one. But he gets indicted, coming

662
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: down thirty counts of racketeering, conspiracy, extortion, witness tampering, male fraud.

663
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: The indictment is ninety seven pages long. You had to

664
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: hire a whole team a lawyer, exactly. Coarente and Penonna

665
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: charged again. So the FBI says that all throughout the nineties,

666
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: the mayor's office head extorted more than two million dollars

667
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: in kickbacks, jobs, favors, contracts. In a statement released later

668
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: that day, he went with the statement not a press conference.

669
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: But he says he's innocent. He says, guess what, guys,

670
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: quote time zero is zero, and he says I've had better.

671
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: Mondays he gets all Garfield. He pleads not guilty. Obviously

672
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: released on a fifty bond. The cops add insult to injury.

673
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: When he gets booked, they make him remove that amazing

674
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: snap on looking to pay for his mug shot. He

675
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: had the most luxurious thick to pay that was so

676
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: phony looking. It was like the play school little figure

677
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: snapt exactly what I'm that are like the lego plastics

678
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: with the swoop Yeah, pictures on Instagram. Um, so how

679
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: are the people of Providence taking all of this? I mean,

680
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: this would rock your world right now? They love it.

681
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: His rating immediately goes up after his indictment. He goes

682
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: from a sixty approval rating to sixty. It jumps five points.

683
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: Providence is like the Philadelphia Rhode Island. Yes. One of

684
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: the many charges against Buddy involved the city's University Club.

685
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: He was denied entrance to the club. He wanted to

686
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: join UM and they didn't let him in for political reasons.

687
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: It was back during his first reign. I guess summer

688
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: of ninety eight. The club has in this huge renovation

689
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: million dollars and they need permits. And the prosecutors said that.

690
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: When he heard this, Buddy called the building inspector and

691
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: two members of the building board and told him reject

692
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: the permits. Don't get variance. But he says, no, I

693
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: was just calling the building inspector. I just wanted to

694
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: ask about the variants, and they said it has been

695
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: turned down because it wouldn't meet the fire code. He's

696
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: always got his like adjacent Um. He admitted that he

697
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: knew it would slow down the club's renovations and that

698
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: he did nothing to help, and so um some of

699
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: the high ranking club members they go to Buddy in

700
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: his office. Please. Buddy then states his very famous lines

701
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: that were later retold in trial quote, be careful if

702
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: the toe you step on today, because it may be

703
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. The

704
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: toe is the toe connected to the ass? Yeah, not directly, okay,

705
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: but I'm saying you could have worked that one out, Buddy,

706
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: Like you know Buddy's toes. Guess what you're going to

707
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: have to be kissing his rump later. I would flip it.

708
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: I would make it like you step on this toe,

709
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: you what would be kicking your ass? You would ruin

710
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: the moment for Buddy so much. You'd be like, wait,

711
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: hold on the toe, you have a toe coming out

712
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: of your butt. But but I can't even picture this.

713
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep up. I'm over here drawing diagrams.

714
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're trying to say. Who

715
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: got a toe? Butt? Buddy? He's like my butt toe,

716
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: don't step on it, don't kick me. Yeah, it just

717
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: got all complicated. You're trying to give it funny words.

718
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: You're not. You're you're taking all the steam out of

719
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: his powerful statements, trying to like, I don't know, Sylvester

720
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: Stallone style like. So, the members they offered him a

721
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: lifetime honorary membership after that. Probably they thought it was

722
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: a cool line. One of them went oh, me oh,

723
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: and then they say all right, so but he didn't

724
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: use the membership. He said he didn't want it, but

725
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: he won't. Yeah. Six days later city drops the fight

726
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: against the club club opens up. So anyway, His trial

727
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: starts in late April two thou two last seven weeks,

728
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: sixty witnesses, seven one exhibits. Jury deliberated for ten days. Yeah,

729
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: it was a slog while they're deliverating. What would Buddy

730
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: do well? I mean they'd be so ank just during deliberations. Right, No,

731
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: Buddy went and served as the Grand Marshal for the

732
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Rhode Island Festival of Pride, and then spent the evening

733
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: in one of his favorite drag bars. Probably also catched

734
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of bags of cash. Yeah, ready to party.

735
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: June jury comes back with a verdict. Buddy is convicted

736
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: of a single count of federal racketeering conspiracy got the

737
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: old Rico charge. Usually that's given to crime bosses who

738
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: orchestrate right and keep their hands clean. He later said,

739
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: quote I was found guilty of committing a crime that

740
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I was found not guilty of, and quote I was

741
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: found guilty of being mayor. Of that line, I like, yes,

742
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: there you go, we'll give him that one. Two days

743
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: later June, that's the deadline for Buddy to file to

744
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: run for mayor again. And Buddy decides I can't do it,

745
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Well, he doesn't want to sway

746
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: the judge's opinion before sentence, saying like, oh, big shot,

747
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: you think you're going to go and run again. So

748
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: September six, Buddy, it's sentenced to five years and four

749
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: months in prison federal prison on one, as well as

750
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and seven thousand dollar fine and a hundred

751
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: and fifty hours of community service. So the judge took

752
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: what the jury basically handed him and said, you know what,

753
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to run with this and I'm gonna like

754
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: basically hit you with this as much as I and

755
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: go to the highest charge. And here's what the judge said, uh.

756
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: He compares them to Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde. He says, quote,

757
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: there appear to be two very different buddy sciences. The

758
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: first is a skilled and charismatic political figure, probably one

759
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: of the most talented politicians Rhode Island has ever seen,

760
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: while the other quote presided over an administration that is

761
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: rife with corruption at all levels. Aren't those the same thing?

762
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not, but but he steps down as mayor that afternoon. Yeah,

763
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: he gets released from prison. He went to Fort Dickson,

764
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: New Jersey, May two thousand seven, and he went on

765
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: to become a political commentator on the rate you ran

766
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: for mayor lost. Oh, he got back to it, and

767
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: that same year he was diagnosed with colon cancer and

768
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: that's what ultimately took his life in two thousands sixteen,

769
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: when he was seventy four years old. R I p

770
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: to a real one. There you go, Cis Zarin, What

771
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: is your ridiculous takeaway here? Never get involved in Rhode

772
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Island politics. Yeah, I think that's a that's a good one.

773
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean, that is the most dense thing I've ever

774
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: heard of. I Mean, they are on it like I've

775
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: thought that, you know, you know, it's a small state,

776
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: you're going to have a lot of like concentrated power.

777
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: But it's not at all what I thought. I completely

778
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: pictured this story going a very different direction instead, very

779
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: concentrated and complex, yea convoluted. It's like the worst things

780
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: you see at county politics and state politics, but then

781
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: spread across a bunch of different cultural interactions that just

782
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: like really kind of muddy the waters as like what's

783
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: the angle this person has? You know, like, I don't

784
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: know how i'd read a room there exactly. Well you

785
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't because you keep steping mom all their lines they're

786
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: like and they're cool guys, and you're like, well, actually,

787
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm like western the Mississippi. That sounds like why not why?

788
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: I think since you since you asked my ridiculous takeaway

789
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: fair enough. I think it's a perfect example of a

790
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: ridiculous crime, because it's ridiculous to have to resign from

791
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: a position of mayor at a large American city twice,

792
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: and both times because of a felony conviction. That's ridiculous.

793
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I also think that there's a ridiculous of the public

794
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: not having a problem with the corruption as long as

795
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: they get what they need. So things are booming, and

796
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, well, it's just the cost of

797
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: doing business. They're all gonna, you know, patt each other's pockets. Um,

798
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: there was so much development and growth in Providence when

799
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Buddy was mayor that people were happy with it. Would

800
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: it have would all that growth and development have have

801
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: happened under another mayor? Who's to say? Um, that's an

802
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: interesting question. I often have debated this with people I

803
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: know in politics, which is does the corruption allow the

804
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: developers to do their thing? And then my question is

805
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: do we want them to be the ones deciding the

806
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: futures of these cities because we act like any growth

807
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: is good growth, and that's not my opinion. I kind

808
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: of want quality of life growth. So if the people

809
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: of Providence are happy with the quality of life, I

810
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: think that's the better question than how many new shiny

811
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: buildings do they get? And they seem to be happy

812
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: with the quality of life, So and I think that

813
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: you also, it's good to keep in mind that we

814
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times tend to lay all of the victory,

815
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: are all of the defeat at what at the mayor's

816
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: or the president's feet, the most powerful person get. They

817
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: get all the credit or they get attacked for it,

818
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it's more than just buddy that

819
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: got all this happening, or it's more than just buddy,

820
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: that's all the bad stuff too, So don't oversimplify it. Yeah, um,

821
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: but says you know, cities doing well, people don't care.

822
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: That's a little ridiculous. No stains on the suit. Hey,

823
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: there you go. I still don't get that. I'm sorry,

824
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm dumb. I do not get it. He's he gets

825
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: the food, he doesn't spill any on him, but he's

826
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: still eating it. There's no evidence of the ball of

827
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: spaghetti is their version of like I was caught red handed,

828
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: but my hands aren't red. I do not get it.

829
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm from Georgia. I'm sorry. You know what I think

830
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: it is, Zarin. I think it's a callback to John

831
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: Gotti the teflon don Oh, that makes more sense. There

832
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: you go. Thank you. I got a local to explain it.

833
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: That's what we needed, Dave. I hope I did this well.

834
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: It was a lot, and uh I got confused sometimes,

835
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: but I think you did. The Prince of Providence right,

836
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: thank you. I enjoyed it. Thank you. Well, that's all

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