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Speaker 3: When you're a star, they let you do it.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has some ideas about Cuba.

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Speaker 3: Here he is in the Oval Office.

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Speaker 5: I think Cuba is in its own way, if you

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Speaker 5: know tourism and everything else. It's a beautiful island, great weather.

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Speaker 5: They're not in a hurricane zone, which is nice for

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Speaker 5: a change. You know, they won't be asking us some

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Speaker 5: money for hurricanes every week. But I think Cuba seed

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Speaker 5: the end. You know, all my life I've been hearing

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Speaker 5: about the United States in Cuba. When will the United

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Speaker 5: States do it?

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Speaker 3: I do believe I'll be the.

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Speaker 5: Honor of having the honor of taking Cuba. That'd be

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Speaker 5: good honor. That's a big honor, taking Cube in some form,

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Speaker 5: you know, taking Guba. I mean, whether I free it,

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Speaker 5: take it. I think I could do anything I want

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Speaker 5: with it. You want another truth? A very weekend nation

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Speaker 5: right now. They were for a long time, very violent,

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Speaker 5: very violent leaders. Casher is a very violent leader. His

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Speaker 5: brothers a very violent leader, extremely violent. That's how they governed.

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Speaker 5: They governed with violence. But a lot of people would

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Speaker 5: like to go back.

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Speaker 4: What's crazy is that you can sort of see a

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Speaker 4: lot of people like Peter Deucey doesn't have a soul,

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Speaker 4: and yet you see it draining from his body.

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Speaker 6: Peter has a soul there, he does.

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Speaker 3: He does clearly he lost it right there.

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Speaker 6: What did he say?

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Speaker 3: He was like, take it, take it.

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Speaker 4: You can just see the life draining from him. He's like,

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Speaker 4: what am my watching right now?

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Speaker 6: We're doing what? Now?

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Speaker 3: Just take it?

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Speaker 4: I might free it, I might just take it. And

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Speaker 4: it's a kind of toddler approach to the world. But like,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you have it too, that you're watching it

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Speaker 4: and you're like, okay, we can't do another day of this,

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Speaker 4: like the sun cannot set on another day with this

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Speaker 4: man as the most powerful one in the world, Like

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Speaker 4: like call a manager, somebody needs to do something.

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Speaker 3: It's wild stuff like why this has to be stopped.

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Speaker 7: It's like not at all surprising that he's talking like this,

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Speaker 7: but you know his let's if we if we steal man,

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Speaker 7: how Trump, if he were sitting here, would defendless privately,

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Speaker 7: He wouldn't say this publicly.

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Speaker 6: Well actually maybe would say it publicly clearly, saving public

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Speaker 6: It's part of the deal.

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Speaker 7: Right, he's negotiating, he's putting the uncertainty. He's doing the

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Speaker 7: Kissinger Madman theories, injecting uncertainty into the situation as as

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Speaker 7: leverage over Q. But I think actually by what we're

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Speaker 7: just seeing him there is he's musing aloud about what

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Speaker 7: could happen in Cuba over the next couple of weeks

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Speaker 7: after Iran, after Venezuela. So Venezuela goes well from his standard,

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Speaker 7: from his perspective, although that could certainly.

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Speaker 6: Blow up at any moment as well.

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Speaker 7: We'll see goes on to Iran, and now he's feeling

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Speaker 6: Iran is a.

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Speaker 7: Situation where he also lacked certainty. We know this every

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Speaker 6: We're learning this. We talked about it earlier in the show.

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Speaker 7: There wasn't some grand five D Chess plan in Iran,

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Speaker 7: He clearly doesn't have some grand five D Chess plan

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm headed to Cuba this week this weekend

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Speaker 4: and so I'll have more on particularly what the Cubans

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Speaker 3: It's right, CIA is gonna install me.

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Speaker 4: In power there, and so I'll have more on what

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Speaker 4: the Cubans are offering to get this madman to not

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Speaker 4: go to war with Cuba. The group Progressive International funded

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Speaker 4: I should have more next week when I come back,

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Speaker 4: because what they're offering is is quite surprising, or and

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Speaker 4: been under. Uh, there is a crime against humanity unfolding

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Speaker 4: It's having very little effect. And what's kind of a

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Speaker 4: many decades that they've been in power. This is leading

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Speaker 3: You know, reaching collapse.

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Speaker 4: When you deprive an island of some nine to eleven

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Speaker 4: of people's lives and ways that can be fatal. You

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Speaker 4: just think about the people that you know in your life.

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Speaker 4: What would happen if all of a sudden there's no electricity,

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Speaker 7: And they're also turning to China for solar yes, which

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Speaker 7: the entire Trump administration is supposed to be, of course,

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Speaker 7: undermining the international power of China and its foreign policy,

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Speaker 6: Close to the United States.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the solar support now Washington Post report

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Speaker 4: So many headlines around the world where you're like, who

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Speaker 7: What Trump just said in the Oval Office, when people

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Speaker 7: in the United States look at Cuba and they look

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Speaker 7: at Cuban propaganda and they say this is ridiculous, I mean,

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Speaker 7: it reminds me actually of the Mark Carney speech that

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Speaker 7: pretense is gone, and the pretense was important. It was

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Speaker 7: kind of a muddled message, right like Trump is, he's

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Speaker 7: proving Mark Carney correct because he's just saying, I do

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Speaker 7: believe I'll have the honor of taking Guba and you know,

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Speaker 7: maybe by force.

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Speaker 3: He's just maybe I'll free it.

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Speaker 7: Maybe not everything that, like a Smedley Butler accused the

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Speaker 7: United States of Trump is distilling into sound bites.

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Speaker 6: Explicitly, he's just.

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Speaker 7: Coming out and saying you don't need to get him

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Speaker 7: on tapes like Nixon. He's literally just saying it. And

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Speaker 7: it's proving like to have the president of the United

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Speaker 7: States talk like that about how maybe you'll just take

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Speaker 7: this country. It's what their propaganda has been telling them

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Speaker 7: the United States is doing for years, and it's what

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Speaker 7: people have been fighting and saying, no, that's not what

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Speaker 7: the US is doing.

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Speaker 6: This is about the Cuban people.

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Speaker 7: It's about liberating the Cuban people, is about giving the

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Speaker 6: And yet you have the president of.

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Speaker 7: The United States, he's not wrong that he has technically

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Speaker 7: the force and the might to just quote take Cuba

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Speaker 7: depending on what he's willing to do.

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Speaker 6: But he's just saying it now.

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Speaker 4: Whether he could hold it would be an interesting question.

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Speaker 4: I think absolutely they could go in and they could

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Speaker 4: probably you know, capture the president, but whether or not

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Speaker 4: The Cuban president this morning kind of fired back saying

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Speaker 4: force against them. Now, Marco Rubio was asked about this

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Speaker 8: The bottom line is their economy doesn't work. It's a

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Speaker 8: for forty that revolution, it's not even a revolution. That

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Speaker 8: So they're in a lot of trouble and the people

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Speaker 4: him to try to do a thought experiment. Let's say

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Speaker 4: that Miami, it's all of Dade County, was an ireland,

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Speaker 3: Now, let's say you you couldn't use a credit.

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Speaker 4: Card in Miami because we're calling them state sponsors of

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Speaker 8: So uh.

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Speaker 4: Trying to run and and so you often see people

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Speaker 4: saying like, well, Okay, it's only the US that won't

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Speaker 3: They can trade with the entire world.

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Speaker 4: No, because we've designated them as state sponsors of terror.

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Speaker 4: Any other country that does business with them then can't

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Speaker 4: do business with us. So we blocked them from doing

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Speaker 4: business with everybody.

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Speaker 9: We just squeezed Mexico from We just squeezed Mexco right,

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Speaker 9: and we also we even went after their tourist industry

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Speaker 9: from Europeans used to go to Cuba, and you know,

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Speaker 9: significant numbers, and we put in a rule that said,

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Speaker 9: you can no longer have visa free travel to the

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Speaker 4: If we're so confident that our system is so perior

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Speaker 4: and theirs is so inferior, why not just let it

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Speaker 4: go and see what happens. Well, that's how would Miami

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Speaker 4: do if you were told you couldn't have a tourist

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Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I feel like one of the

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Speaker 7: reasons that Trump should and we've seen.

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Speaker 6: Some like detent style plans.

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Speaker 7: I saw someone referring to it as like parastroika, Cuban

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Speaker 7: parastroka on acts that actually don't look bad. They sort

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Speaker 7: of look like Obama era plans, to be perfectly honest,

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Speaker 7: Well, the threat at this point might be what we're

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Speaker 7: And then they're orchestrating this plan from Washington about what

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Speaker 4: But I'll have more for you next week. Yes, when

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Speaker 4: And you know who one of the leading advocates of

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Speaker 4: Like something you've one man's screenplay.

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Speaker 7: to see he has zero respect among any House Democrats anymore. Ryan,

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Speaker 4: he's what he's and he's linking the A D L

443
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Speaker 4: and A pack together. If you put up the four

444
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Speaker 4: APAC you know, hit back at him saying, you know, uh,

445
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Speaker 4: he's they said facts like you applauding a group that

446
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Speaker 4: is trying to drive pro Israel Democrats out of politics,

447
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Speaker 4: or you sitting with a podcasters designers like they're they're

448
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: laying out all the things there that they're upset with

449
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Speaker 4: him about. And he responds, when will a PAC and

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Speaker 4: a d L be merging, green Blatt, You've sucked up

451
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Speaker 4: enough to the Trump administration you can probably get the

452
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Speaker 4: merger approved in this administration. That is, yeah, So because

453
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Speaker 4: the Anti Trust Division at the d J has become

454
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Speaker 4: a complete kind of pay to play operation with just

455
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Speaker 4: to shake down the corporate shakedown you want to merger,

456
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Speaker 4: you know, you gotta you gotta, yeah, pay pay pay

457
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Speaker 4: the piper at DJU, the judge and the.

458
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Speaker 3: Live Nation ticketmaster case.

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Speaker 4: He seems to think that that's the case and recently

460
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Speaker 4: told d o J hold on to all of your

461
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Speaker 4: communications because I might be looking into this. So that's

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Speaker 4: what Rocana is referring to there, that if a ad

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Speaker 4: L and a PAC want to merge and just and

464
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Speaker 4: stop the pretense anymore that there's that there's a difference

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Speaker 4: between them, they should do that.

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Speaker 3: Because green Blat it is the Anti Defamation League.

467
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Speaker 4: He's supposed to be combating anti Semitism.

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Speaker 3: That's not what he does.

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Speaker 4: Like he's he he does basically what a PAC does,

470
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Speaker 4: which a PAC fine, Like you want to be you know,

471
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Speaker 4: you want to support the US Israel relationship and get fun,

472
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Speaker 4: you know, and spend money in elections, Like that's legal,

473
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Speaker 4: you can do that. Like that's that's your that's your goal.

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Speaker 4: But that's not what green Blad is doing. Like green

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Speaker 4: Blad is not doing the semity. He's doing what a

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Speaker 4: PAC is doing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I see saying and I was saying this on

478
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Speaker 7: after part of the other day. But like, there are

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Speaker 7: two things that need to be balanced. One is the

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Speaker 7: reasonable two reasonable reasonable concerns that need to be balanced.

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Speaker 7: One is the reasonable concern of Jews given that, as

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Speaker 7: Roe pointed out the other day, anti Semitism exists, given

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Speaker 7: that the industrial scale genocide of Jewish people existed in

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Speaker 7: living memory, like it exists in living memory of people

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Speaker 7: who are still here on this earth today, just like

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Speaker 7: Jim Crow is living memory of people who are still

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Speaker 7: in America today. On the other hand, there's the concern

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Speaker 7: for suppression of speech, which this country has a history

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Speaker 7: of and especially younger Americans are very sensitive too, and

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Speaker 7: that's reasonable as well, because censorship and sus suppression are

491
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Speaker 7: also things that have happened, and so when you balance

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Speaker 7: both of those things, green Blatt doesn't. Green Blad is

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Speaker 7: happy to inflate the definition of anti semitism as a

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Speaker 7: cudgel against political enemies to the point that you were

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Speaker 7: just making about acting basically in lockstep with groups that

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Speaker 7: advanced that advance the cause of the Israeli government. And

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Speaker 7: that's where you've blown up anti semitism to the point

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Speaker 7: the label anti semitism to the point where it includes

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Speaker 7: people who are just saying what the Secretary of State

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Speaker 7: said about the war that's really really not helpful, is

501
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Speaker 7: completely counterproductive. And if you actually believe that Rocana is

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Speaker 7: anti Semitic.

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Speaker 6: You are welcome to that belief.

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Speaker 7: You should not be the head of an organization that

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Speaker 7: is policing the definition of anti semitism because that's first

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Speaker 7: of all offensive, but second of all counterproductive because by

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Speaker 7: a matter of fact, he is not an anti semi

508
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Speaker 7: right And it's happening over and over again with people constantly,

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Speaker 7: and the right is learning what the left has learned

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Speaker 7: for a long time that you were called anti semitic

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Speaker 7: if you're critical of the Israeli government.

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Speaker 6: People on the right.

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Speaker 7: Robert Novak experienced that, Patu Cannon experienced that for a

514
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Speaker 7: long time too. But to actually say that somebody has

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Speaker 7: bigotry in their heart is a serious and stigmatized charge

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Speaker 7: in the United States of America, as it should be,

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Speaker 7: because we've spilled a lot of blood, sweat and tears

518
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Speaker 7: for victories like Lovvy Virginia, and to have the like

519
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Speaker 7: multiculturalism that actually exists the United States is like historically crazy.

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Speaker 7: We take it for granted, how amazing it is sometimes

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Speaker 7: and how quickly so much bigotry fell away over the

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Speaker 7: course of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 6: So not to say it doesn't still exist, of course

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Speaker 6: it still exists.

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Speaker 7: But to actually insult somebody and say that they believe

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Speaker 7: somebody is lesser than because of their mutable characteristics, because

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Speaker 7: of the race, because of their ethnicity, is a really

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Speaker 7: serious thing. And Rocanna's opinions on the liqud Party do

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Speaker 7: not reflect him thinking that anybody is lesser than because

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Speaker 7: of their mutable characteristics.

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Speaker 4: And this new thing that green Blad's doing where he

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Speaker 4: is saying that if you say that Israel drove the

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Speaker 4: US to war with Iran, that is anti Semitic, even

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Speaker 4: after Marco Rubio himself said that at least the timing

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Speaker 4: was driven by Israel, people are.

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Speaker 3: Just not going to tolerate that.

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Speaker 4: And we did this polling at drop site last week,

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Speaker 4: Hope that found a.

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Speaker 3: Majority of.

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Speaker 4: A majority of people believe that, or I think it

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Speaker 4: was forty seven percent or something believe that Israel drove

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Speaker 4: the decision making, Israel drove Trump's decision making, and like

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Speaker 4: ten percent believed it would make their life better. So

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Speaker 4: you can't Maybe the ADL can claim that forty seven

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Speaker 4: percent of the public is just driven by an anti

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Speaker 4: Submitic conspiracy theory, Yes they will, but I don't know

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Speaker 4: how that's helpful to them. Yeah, you can't tell people

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Speaker 4: that they're not allowed to see what they see with

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Speaker 4: their own eyes.

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Speaker 7: Before Charlie Kirk died, he did a focus group at

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Speaker 7: one of the Turning Point USA conferences that people should

552
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Speaker 7: absolutely go back and watch, especially people on the right,

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Speaker 7: who I think, by the way, as somebody on the

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Speaker 7: right who was subject to this messaging, bludgeoned by this

555
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Speaker 7: messaging for years. The way it's used to dismiss the

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Speaker 7: left as like cranks and crazy people. As obviously started

557
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Speaker 7: we were just talking about this. I obviously started being

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Speaker 7: used on the right. And what's particularly kind of productive

559
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Speaker 7: on the right at this moment was on full display

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Speaker 7: in that Turning Point focus group where everyone said, listen,

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Speaker 7: we like Charlie Kirk. He went to the opening of

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Speaker 7: the embassy in Jerusalem.

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Speaker 6: This guy was not anti Israel.

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Speaker 7: He became increasingly skeptical of the Israeli government. And when

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Speaker 7: he was talking to these students at the conference, they

566
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Speaker 7: were saying a lot of their more their increasing skeept

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Speaker 7: of Israel was coming from feeling like they're being told

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Speaker 7: what they can and cannot say.

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Speaker 6: Why might that be?

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Speaker 7: Well, young Americans just went through like a ten year

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Speaker 7: period where they were constantly being told if you say X, Y,

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Speaker 7: or Z, you're bigoted. And a lot of that was

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Speaker 7: coming from the left. And so if you're Jonathan Green

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Speaker 7: Black and you're looking at this number among even young

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Speaker 7: conservatives who should be pro Israel because historically that's been

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Speaker 7: the case for the last several decades, and you're panicking

577
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Speaker 7: about that, and you're reacting by calling more and more

578
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Speaker 7: people antisemitic and broadening the definition further and being even

579
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Speaker 7: more intense about those arguments again is totally counterproductive because

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Speaker 7: the thing that people are blanching at and that is

581
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Speaker 7: making them skeptical of that position is literally what you

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Speaker 7: continue to do at an even faster pace.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: And so APAC just spent more than twenty million dollars

585
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Speaker 4: in these Illinois elections, which we'll talk about in a moment.

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Speaker 4: Put up E five, which will lead us into that.

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Speaker 4: This is a tweet from Shane Goldmarketing Times reporter says

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Speaker 4: Jen Shikowski, who's a retiring member of Congress, pulls Donna

589
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Speaker 4: Miller endorsement and second Congressional district over APAC support.

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Speaker 3: This is back in February and a pack then, you know.

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Speaker 4: Quote tweets last night and then what happened, And what's

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Speaker 4: notable about this is that APAC hit its involvement in

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Speaker 4: its support for Donnam Miller. They created this, you know,

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Speaker 4: like Chicago Women super Pac, because they know that using

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Speaker 4: their their name APAC or United Democracy Project, which is

596
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: their their branded super pack, is super damaging to candidates

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Speaker 4: that they support. And then when shows like this or

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Speaker 4: at drops, we do reporting that says, oh, actually, we've

599
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Speaker 4: pieced it together. This is a pack money that is

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Speaker 4: being funneled into the campaign. A PAC responds that that's

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Speaker 4: anti sim a conspiracy theorizing that you're doing. How dare

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Speaker 4: you suggest that? And then after their candidate wins, they

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Speaker 4: publicly take support for the thing that a day before

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Speaker 4: they were saying was a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so let's move to well, on.

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Speaker 7: That, producer MaxEnt a funny tweet that I want to

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Speaker 7: read on that point. This is from DEI Speedwagon shout

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Speaker 7: out to you on X We're a couple cycles away

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Speaker 7: from APAX spending ad money accusing Pro Palestine candidates of

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Speaker 7: getting money from a bag.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks away. Yeah, a good one, we're.

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Speaker 7: Laughing, but no, not out of the Roman possibility.

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Speaker 3: We'd start with F four here.

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Speaker 4: APAX spent at least twenty two million dollars in four

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Speaker 4: Illinois congressional races that were very closely watched, because there

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Speaker 4: was only one race in which they spent openly and

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Speaker 4: acknowledged that they were spending the race. The other three

618
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Speaker 4: they funneled through kind of made up super packs, one

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Speaker 4: called Affordable Chicago now another one called elect Chicago Women,

620
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Speaker 4: and those got outed as a pack super packs. They

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Speaker 4: created a new one called Progressive Funds or something like

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Speaker 4: that that they started funneling money through. So let's go

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Speaker 4: through these four races. Let's start with the one that

624
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Speaker 4: everybody cares about the most, even though arguably it wasn't

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Speaker 4: the most important one when it comes to the kind

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Speaker 4: of gradients of ideological difference.

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Speaker 3: Between the candidates.

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Speaker 4: That's that's District nine, which was Laura Fyne, who was

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Speaker 4: the APAC candidate.

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Speaker 3: We knew it. It was clear, even though they were

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Speaker 3: using kind of fake super packs. Kat Abu Gazela and

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Speaker 3: Daniel biss Evanston mayor. And then you had Bouscha a

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Speaker 3: Mei Wala, who was a elected local elected official who

634
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Speaker 3: was running kind of to Cat and Daniel's left, and

635
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Speaker 3: people kept pushing to kind of drop out and endorse Cat.

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Speaker 4: That was probably never gonna happen. What I would so

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Speaker 4: Daniel Biss one and one by about forty.

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Speaker 3: Five votes, four points. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One thing I think the LAB should take away from

640
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Speaker 4: all of these races is that there should be a

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Speaker 4: deep stigma on candidates who cannot win and refuse to

642
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Speaker 4: drop out. And I'm not just talking about Busher, I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about across the board. There was a failure to consolidate.

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Speaker 4: And when you combine a failure to consolidate behind a

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Speaker 4: single candidate with millions of dollars in spending for the

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Speaker 4: other candidate, it's very difficult to win. And you let

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Speaker 4: then APEC candidates, you know, win with like thirty percent

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Speaker 4: of the vote.

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Speaker 6: Finally got twenty percent, which is very interesting.

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Speaker 3: So find just twenty percent millions spent on her on

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Speaker 3: her behalf.

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Speaker 7: I just have a pause for a moment, just think

653
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Speaker 7: about how completely ridiculous it is.

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Speaker 6: Ridiculous it is.

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Speaker 7: That the people of Illinois ninth District, suburban Chicago had

656
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Speaker 7: their race hijacked into a mandate on Middle Eastern fortunes.

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Speaker 4: Right, except none of the adda except none of the

658
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Speaker 4: actual ads talked about foreign policies, right, even though they

659
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Speaker 4: were this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also, and I kept telling you all this, Now

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Speaker 4: you can believe me. Boucher finished sixth, So like people

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Speaker 4: were like, no, no, she has a shot, she has

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Speaker 4: a shot. No, so apak Apak put money behind I

665
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Speaker 4: mean Lawa, was I mean Walla's campaign trying to peel

666
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: votes away from from Cat and from Biss to try

667
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 4: to boost Laura.

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Speaker 3: Fine.

669
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: She finished behind multiple candidates that you've never even heard of.

670
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Speaker 3: She got a total of six thousand votes. Five percent.

671
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: Every single one of her votes would have had to

672
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: go to Cat in order for Cat to win. And

673
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: there's just no world in which one hundred percent of

674
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 4: votes go from one candidate to another.

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00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of there are protest votes anyway.

676
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of a lot of her supporters

677
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: did not like Cats. Her support was concentrated among South

678
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: Asian population, which also had problems with.

679
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: Cat for other kind of optical reasons.

680
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: So this who had the support of j Street Uh

681
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: and had millions spent against him by a pack or

682
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: hundreds of thousand at least, I don't know if he

683
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 4: climbed millions against but millions in total spent by a

684
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: pack to try to win this race. So BIS ends

685
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: up winning. Bis had kind of Elizabeth Warren Democrat. He

686
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 4: had Elizabeth Warren's endorsement, like on day one of the campaign,

687
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 4: and this is kind of an Elizabeth Warren district, its

688
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 4: suburban district. So ended up so he ends up winning.

689
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Speaker 4: He'll win he'll win in the in the he'll win

690
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: the general. It's not even close.

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Speaker 3: In his.

692
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: Victory speech last night, you know, he mentioned uh J

693
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 4: Street and a pac let's let's roll.

694
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: Let's roll that.

695
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Speaker 5: And this is simply by saying they have found out

696
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Speaker 5: the harbor.

697
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 7: Is not Zail.

698
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 5: So I'm pudding. Might be the last time I utter

699
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 5: their name.

700
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: This victory belongs to stream.

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Speaker 5: He's a nail against unspeakable odds for that point of view.

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00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 8: That represents the mainstream in this district and the mainstream

703
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 8: of the Jewish community.

704
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

705
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: So the question now, Emily for the left will be

706
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: I think around organizing Biss and putting pressure on Biss.

707
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: Uh. There is an argument that and this this unfolded.

708
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 4: The Malinowski district in New Jersey eleven, where an Alilia

709
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: Mahea ended up winning thanks to Apec, you know, smashing Malinowski.

710
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 4: So Malinowski was a former you know, had been an

711
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Speaker 4: elected Democrat before, he had worked at the State Department.

712
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: He had a lot of credibility among Democrats in the

713
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: House when it came to foreign policy. And so what

714
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 4: Apex said publicly was that even though Malinowski was much

715
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 4: milder in his criticism of Israel. His mild criticism was

716
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 4: more of a threat to them than Mayhee his strong criticism,

717
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: because they can they can They think they can marginalize

718
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: Mahea and say, well, you don't need to listen to her,

719
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: she's crazy, squad radical, but Malinowski is harder for them

720
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Speaker 4: to marginalize. And so that that was their what either

721
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: cope or the rationale for why they were actually okay

722
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: that their preferred candidate lost and they accidentally boosted this

723
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: squad like candidate.

724
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: Now, I think they miscalculated.

725
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: I think Ana Lily is going to have a lot

726
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: more power in the House than they expected.

727
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: But that was their rationale.

728
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: That was the same rationale they used to spend millions

729
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: to defeat Andy Levin in Michigan. Levin was a synagogue

730
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: president and part of the leven family dynasty.

731
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: Member of Congress.

732
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: He was redistricted into a race with Hailey Stevens, and

733
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: APEX spent millions to back Stevens over leven because there

734
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: and they publicly made this argument that it was dangerous

735
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 4: to have a guy who called himself a liberal Zionist,

736
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: who was a synagogue president who was criticizing Israel who

737
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: was casting votes against Israel and was supporting Rashida Taleb

738
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: and elan Omar when they were being called anti Semitic,

739
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: he would show up with them and say, they are

740
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: not they are my friends. They have legitimate criticisms of Israel,

741
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: and you cannot you cannot, you know, you cannot weaponize

742
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 4: anti semitism against them because you disagree with them politically.

743
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: And the fact that he was a Synagogue president made

744
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: it made that punch from him land much harder. And

745
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 4: so they said we need to get him out of office. Yeah,

746
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 4: and they spent and they got him out of office. And

747
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: a similar thing is unfolding with Biss thisss mom was Israeli.

748
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: He's got lots of connections to Israel. He has the

749
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: support of J Street, you know, which is which calls

750
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Speaker 4: itself liberal Zionist.

751
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 7: Uh.

752
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: And so to have thisis out there attacking a pack

753
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: and criticizing Israel and supporting Block the Bombs which isn't

754
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: doesn't go far enough, but it is considered to be

755
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: existential to Israel. An apac to Block the Bombs act.

756
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: They feel like this is more is a significant threat

757
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 4: to them.

758
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: You can see how that would make sense.

759
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so for them to they're now doing this

760
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: cope like, ah, we beat Kat and we beat Bushra.

761
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: Six, get out of here. I'm gonna give me. You

762
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: spent money to support her.

763
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 6: You're gonna got twenty one percent of the vote.

764
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and collectively Bis and Bo Gazella got well over

765
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Speaker 4: a majority and their candidate got twenty percent.

766
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, got washed.

767
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: So now what what people have to do is organize

768
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: around this.

769
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

770
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: I saw somebody saying yesterday that the kind of anti

771
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: Zionist movement needs to have more space for these quote

772
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: unquote liberal Zionist critics of Israel, because their argument was

773
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: in the journey from you know, full on Apac level

774
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 4: support of Israel to becoming anti Zionist, it's actually a

775
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 4: bigger leap to go from the APAC hardcore right wing

776
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: Zionism to liberal Zionism, Like that is a harder move

777
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: to make and more dramatic than it is to go

778
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: from liberal Zionism to anti Zionism. Because once you've once

779
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: you're in the liberal Zionist space and you're starting you're

780
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: starting to talk about apartheid and occupation and genocide, the

781
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 4: rationale and the logic just pushes you to anti Zionism eventually,

782
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 4: Like it's just a question of how long it takes

783
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: you to move from from there from there to there.

784
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 4: So the the argument would be the goal now of

785
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: Cat supporters and Buscher supporters needs to be to pressure

786
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: Abyss to go further, and I think they get there.

787
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: There's also opportunities to do that in the two other

788
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 4: districts were APEC one, but let's let's do District seven next,

789
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 4: where APAC caught just a brutal l the only race

790
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: where they spent money with their chests and it admitted

791
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 4: that they were the ones doing the spending. It was

792
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 4: like four to five million dollars they put behind Melissa

793
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 4: Kanyer's Irvin, who is the Comptroller of Chicago currently under

794
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 4: investigation for corruption, like just like comically corrupt.

795
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: There was.

796
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: This was a massively divided field and according to all

797
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: of the kind prognosticators, them putting this many millions in

798
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: the race behind her was going to be enough to

799
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 4: just push her over the top. That you just couldn't

800
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: compete with that avalanche of money she lost. She finished

801
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: with twenty point five percent, almost exactly what Laura Fine

802
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: got APEX many millions of dollars got her nineteen thousand votes,

803
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: which is three thousand less than Lashan Ford.

804
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 6: I wonder how much money that was per vote.

805
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: And that's only the money we know about.

806
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: That doesn't count, like mailers and like C four and

807
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: like all the off the books kind of spending incredible,

808
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: Like you could have gone around and paid one thousand

809
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: dollars to every person, like old school Chicago.

810
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 6: So literally you could have done it. You could have

811
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Speaker 6: paid two thousand.

812
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: We'll give you, We'll give you two grand, please just

813
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: show up.

814
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.

815
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Speaker 4: Instead they gave it to consultants who are going to

816
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: buy a vote and lost. Now the races they won.

817
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: We saw that they were bragging about Donna Miller. So

818
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: in District two, jan Chikowski endorsed Donna Miller and then

819
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: they and then A Pax started doing this, you know,

820
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: fake these fake super packs to support her. And when

821
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: it was exposed that it was a Pac money, Shaikowski

822
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Speaker 4: withdrew her her endorsement a Pac now you know, boasting

823
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: ha ha. We want anyway, as we talked, as we

824
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: talked about that, in the last segment, they sort of

825
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: deny and call it a conspiracy theory that they're the

826
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: ones behind these super packs, but then when their candidate wins,

827
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: they they take credit for the victory, which is there's

828
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Speaker 4: just do you get to do that?

829
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Speaker 6: I don't think I guess I don't think.

830
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Speaker 3: You get to do that.

831
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Speaker 4: So Donna Miller did win with forty percent of the vote,

832
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 4: and this is this is where we need to stigmatize

833
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: the lack of consolidation. So sixty percent of people voted

834
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Speaker 4: against her, but she still won. So Jesse Jackson Jr.

835
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 4: And Robert Peters split split their vote, Jesse Jackson Junior

836
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: trying to make a comeback. Peters was kind of like

837
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 4: the progressive real hope in that race. But Jesse jacks

838
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 4: Junior has such a has such a name and a

839
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 4: reputation there that you know he was always going to

840
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: do quite well. He got almost thirty percent. Was Yvette

841
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 4: Brown with ten pulling another. You know, so those three candidates,

842
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: one of them needed to you know, the left needs

843
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 4: some mechanism to say, no, this is who we're getting behind,

844
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 4: because if it's just if.

845
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Speaker 7: This was a typical tea party, yeah conundrum, it's tough

846
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 7: party hitting the same snag yep it's tough.

847
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: The left is not organized enough or ruthless enough to

848
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 4: be able to pull this off, and so the same

849
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: problem hit them in in District eight. Melissa Bean another

850
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 4: former member of Congress. Before that, she was a top

851
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 4: JP Morgan banker. I covered her when she was in Congress.

852
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: Last time around, they put her on the Financial Services Committee,

853
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: where she played a very unhelpful role when it came

854
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 4: to banking reform.

855
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: Now she's coming back.

856
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: APAC spent heavily and she finished with third vout almost

857
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: thirty two percent of the vote, very narrowly beat Juneid Akhmed,

858
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 4: who had twenty seven percent of the bost so very close,

859
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: very close race. Akmed had the support of Justice Democrats.

860
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: He was the kind of left wing candidate. Now there's

861
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Speaker 4: a group called American Priorities. This is the kind of

862
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 4: anti genocide pack that a pro palaestime pack that's spent

863
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: heavily for Nita Alam in North Carolina. They've raised like

864
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 4: ten plus million dollars and they've pledged that they're going

865
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Speaker 4: to take on a pack. There was a lot of

866
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 4: pressure among progressive electoral folks for them to get into

867
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 4: this race and get behind Achmed and the argument was,

868
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 4: like he can do this, like he's a serious candidate.

869
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: When I was told was that they have a poll

870
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: from like January that showed that they didn't think he

871
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 4: could win, and so they didn't they and so they

872
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 4: refused to get in the race.

873
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 3: They resisted this pressure. APEX meant heavily.

874
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 4: And what I think, what these results show is that

875
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: they could have made up twenty five hundred votes.

876
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: Thirty five hundred votes.

877
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: Maybe not now, maybe a million dollars from them doesn't

878
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: push off Bet over the top.

879
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: But I think it does.

880
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 4: Like if the race is that close, then you've got

881
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: a couple multiple other candidates had six percent or more.

882
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: Morrison at nine, bank Call at nine, Tully at twelve

883
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 4: point seven.

884
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 3: Like no consolidation.

885
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: Plus the refusal to get behind the folks behind this

886
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: new pack are similar to a lot of people who

887
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: get into politics who were like people people before us

888
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 4: haven't figured out how to do it, but we figured

889
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 4: it out. It's it's mathematical, it's quantitative, we're going to

890
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: follow the data.

891
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 6: We're we're gonna moneyball it.

892
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: We're moneyball it. It's and it's not quite that simple.

893
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: And but also emotion ends up playing a role in it.

894
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 4: I wonder if you know they they were outspent by

895
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 4: AI and APAC in the nit Alam race and lost

896
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 4: this like brutal, very very close race a thousand votes

897
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: or something, And so I bet that emotion ended up

898
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 4: playing a role that they that they were they were

899
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: burned and like on their heels then coming into Illinois

900
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 4: and lacked and so they lacked the confidence to get

901
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 4: in for Jeanne Aid. But that so that's a missed

902
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 4: opportunity for them just to be a little ruthless love

903
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 4: love them, but you know that's a miss Yeah, that

904
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 4: is a mess. But now there are two opportunities here,

905
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 4: Donna Miller and Melissa Bean. I think Miller represents a

906
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 4: stronger upper Kennedy. So she won with APAC support, but

907
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 4: it was the secret APACK support. But she knows she

908
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 4: only got forty percent of the vote. Does she want

909
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: to face a primary challenger in two years that has

910
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: consolidated support from the left, or does she want to

911
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 4: publicly announce tomorrow that she will not take a pack

912
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: money that she rejects.

913
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 3: She's angry about their support. She wishes they.

914
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 6: Hadn't stay away from me, do not ever.

915
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 4: Elect me to Congress again? How dare you do not come?

916
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: But that's what value Fouchet did, and she's headed back

917
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 4: to Congress and it may have been just enough to

918
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 4: keep enough support. So what I would say to activists

919
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: in her district, Miller represents an opportunity to basically snatch

920
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: victory from defeat. That if a pack secretly goes around

921
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 4: and spends millions of dollars to elect a candidate and

922
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 4: then you come in and lobby them and turn them

923
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 4: into your ally, that strips away that tactic from APAC

924
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 4: because once look at Max Frost, like in down in Orlando,

925
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 4: APAC and DMFI basically made a deal where they would allow,

926
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: they would allow they wouldn't spend against Max Frost if

927
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: he would back off some of his you know, you

928
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: know criticism of Israel. Once he was in office. He

929
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 4: has been a strident critic of Visrael, and a pack

930
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: is now kind of screwed because he's popular.

931
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 3: In the district.

932
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, I see what you're saying. They could replicate that.

933
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: So maybe maybe Donna Miller, if she's watching, like look

934
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: at Max Frost, you could tell APAK I'm not taking

935
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: your super pack support ever again, thank you for helping

936
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 4: me get here. Now I'm done, right and she then

937
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 4: but then she has to do what Fouchet did, which

938
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: is demonstrated. Sign all the letters that the activists ask

939
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: you to sign, vote the way that they want you

940
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 4: to vote on these issues, and then you'll win enough

941
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: of them that it drains support for a primary challenge

942
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: in two years because like like, it doesn't matter who

943
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: who's in office really what it's what they do in

944
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 4: office that matters to people. So if an initially a

945
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: packed back candidate turns on them, maybe take that win.

946
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 6: Interesting.

947
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: So hey, just something to think about, very.

948
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: Interesting, And then we've got the I don't know if

949
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: you can do that with Melissa Bean, the JP Morgan banker.

950
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: That's probably She's a pretty right winging Democrat, but.

951
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: Hey, that that one you probably want to start organizing

952
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: for Junaid Akhmed like to day to challenge her in

953
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 4: two years and this time consolidate around a single candidate.

954
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: So we have, I think, and next time the super

955
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 4: pac American priorities might not make the same mistake.

956
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: They might they will see that perhaps being as more vulnerable.

957
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 6: So much going on yesterday, in Illinois particularly.

958
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we've got this wild Illinois Senate race.

959
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 4: You can put up F three here.

960
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: So this hit.

961
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 4: Roger Christian Murty, congressman, who raised insane amounts of money

962
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: from crypto.

963
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 6: Like millions, tens of men like twenty.

964
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: Million, ungodly amounts of money against Juliana Stratton, who was

965
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: is JB. Pritsker's lieutenant governor, and she had the support

966
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 4: of kind of progressives in the state. She heavily won

967
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 4: black voters in the state. She did not really have

968
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: much vocal support from the Congressional Black Caucus, which is,

969
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 4: you know, which they should be criticized for and maybe

970
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 4: related to the amount of crypto and corporate money that

971
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 4: was being spent against her. But Pritsker went in heavy

972
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 4: for her and made made this kind of a referendum

973
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 4: on his own popularity and and she she ended up

974
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: beating him by what seven points, so fairly convincing.

975
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: Victory.

976
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 7: There very when you have that level of money flooding

977
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 7: into the race and you have a seven point win, that's.

978
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: And there was, and they spent like the corporate and

979
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 4: crypto money went in heavily to support Robin Kelly who

980
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: finished third as another black woman running, and their cynical

981
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 4: idea was We're going to split the black vote, and

982
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 4: it didn't.

983
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 3: It didn't work.

984
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 7: Uh.

985
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 3: You may have seen Juliana Stratton.

986
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: She was the one who did the shoot a lot

987
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 4: of money F Trump, remember that ad?

988
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: Yes, so clearly F Trump works in Illinois.

989
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 7: Well, abogaz Aale was doing that. But I guess maybe

990
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 7: maybe I don't know. But so the amount of crypto

991
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 7: money here, this is the political group fair Shake. They

992
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 7: spent about ninety nine million, nine million on ads for

993
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 7: Christian Worthy's opponents. So they were trying to Yeah, they

994
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 7: were trying to have some fun with that.

995
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 6: They're nice, trying to boost him by just smearing.

996
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

997
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 4: Nice to see the crypto guys lose. That's something. Yeah,

998
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: we can take that, right.

999
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1000
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 7: So they were spending for Kelly against Stratton right in

1001
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 7: the race.

1002
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 4: Right there, cynical, cynically trying to lift Kelly, Yeah, to

1003
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 4: pull votes away from Stratton.

1004
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 6: There's just a crazy amount of money in this, I

1005
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 6: mean yeah, yeah.

1006
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 4: And to make an obvious point whatever this was on

1007
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: display yesterday in Illinois, it's not democracy like all of

1008
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: these well, I mean and corporate and crypto and AI

1009
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 4: just dumping money in but not but not running on

1010
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 4: their issues.

1011
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: It'd be one thing.

1012
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 4: It's like crypto rules, like we should all like and

1013
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 4: you ran your campaign on that. But they're not, like

1014
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 4: you said, they're doing this cynical stuff of like, oh,

1015
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 4: we actually support Robin Kelly, she's wonderful.

1016
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: No, you don't.

1017
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: You're just trying to trick people who otherwise would vote

1018
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: for Stratton to vote for Kelly so that Rajo wins.

1019
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: That's like that. It's just so gross.

1020
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 4: Bring back the Tammany Hall Chicago machine. Stuff like that

1021
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 4: was much cleaner than this system.

1022
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 6: You're more agency in the system.

1023
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 7: But actually no, I mean I think there's there's glass

1024
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 7: half empty. You just laid that up very well, glass

1025
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 7: half full. Voter said no to the crypto.

1026
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: That's true. A voter like the voter. Voters saw through it.

1027
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 3: And several of these races.

1028
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 7: We got to play this platter ad. We gotta play

1029
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 7: this anti platiner ad from Janet Mills.

1030
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 6: This dropped the last couple of days.

1031
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Janet Mills, governor of Maine, is trailing oysterman gram

1032
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: Platner in every public poll for months now.

1033
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 7: Governor mayn with a lot of support from the leadership

1034
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 7: of the Democratic Party.

1035
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: Yes, from the chairs of the party to the vice

1036
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 4: chairs of the party. Her support is very deep. We'll

1037
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 4: get into that in a second. Let's let's roll this

1038
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 4: ad F seven.

1039
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: Did you know Graham Plattner wrote that women worried about

1040
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: rape need to quote not.

1041
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: Get so full they wind up having sex with someone

1042
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: they don't mean to.

1043
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: Disgusting, Platner wrote, to avoid rape, women should.

1044
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: Quote act like an adult.

1045
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: For sake, Graham Platter, we blame the victim. That's a

1046
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 6: horrible thing to say.

1047
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 8: Disqualifying.

1048
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 4: I have not seen this.

1049
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 6: He's a bully.

1050
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: This guy gives off a vibe.

1051
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 8: Just no way I could vote for you.

1052
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: No, Grand Platner. The closer you.

1053
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 5: Look, the worse it gets.

1054
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 8: I'm Janet Mills and I approve this message.

1055
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: And so if people are new to that, I I

1056
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 4: highly doubt they are. This was a scandal that emerged

1057
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 4: many months ago when Platner first ran a where some

1058
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 4: opposition research uncovered his Reddit posts from from years ago.

1059
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: He was a bartender to tune in and then there.

1060
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 6: He is covering veteran struggling with PTSD.

1061
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, so those were his observations at

1062
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 4: the time as a bartender.

1063
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: An as observations which which he has.

1064
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: People can find the video he posted about it. He

1065
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 4: has said like he's embarrassed by them. He distances himself

1066
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: from them now, it's not how he feels today. And

1067
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: he has said that, you know, if if you're held

1068
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 4: to the standard of the worst things you've ever said

1069
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 4: on the internet, then nobody real can ever run.

1070
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: For office, which nobody real is gets us to our

1071
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: next element. You can put up this from the main.

1072
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 6: Wire, the conservative main publication.

1073
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 4: It looked like, you know, it looked like Janet Mills

1074
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 4: had found you know, regular main women who were appalled

1075
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 4: by these comments. The main wire news outlet that you

1076
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 4: can brief us on in a moment, finds that it's

1077
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: Peggy Schaeffer, who's a former main Democratic vice chair, Lynn Bromley,

1078
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: a former Democratic state senator, Jill Barkley roy is director

1079
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 4: of Emerge Action Fund, a Democratic aligned group, and Brenda

1080
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 4: Garrand it's a consultant and a former longtime member of

1081
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 4: the Main Public board. Some Mills couldn't even find actors,

1082
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 4: I guess incredible, So just getting pure kind of a

1083
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: democratic establishment figure years to say they don't like the

1084
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: guy who's challenging the democratic establishment. Interesting also that they

1085
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,959
Speaker 4: went with this rather than the the the like skull

1086
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: and bones, Nazi linked tattoo or some of the other stuff,

1087
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 4: I mean, because it's maybe maybe they've got more in

1088
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 4: the canon.

1089
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 6: I'm sure they do.

1090
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 7: But it's falling flat on its face because all of

1091
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 7: the polling coming from this race is showing double digit

1092
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 7: Even Mills is polling, if I'm remembering correctly, it is

1093
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 7: showing double digit margins right now.

1094
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: For Grand Plaid Summer single digit.

1095
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 7: So okay, credit but significant single digits I'm assuming like

1096
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 7: upwards for because this is falling on its face, and

1097
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 7: it's falling on its face for a reason that they're

1098
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 7: struggling to make an argument against, which is he's trying

1099
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 7: to say, you know, I have all kinds of quibbles

1100
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 7: with this argument about identity politics, but he's trying to

1101
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 7: say that is the wedge that elites are using to

1102
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 7: divide us. He's correct on that point. He's saying this

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Speaker 7: is a class question. This is it's not even he's

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Speaker 7: not even talking about affordability in the kind of cringe sense.

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Speaker 7: He's talking about like actual nuts and bolts, democratic socialism

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Speaker 7: and what he thinks. He has like a pretty coherent

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Speaker 7: vision of what he wants the government to look like,

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Speaker 7: the economy to look like. And Janet Mills is just

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Speaker 7: talking about identity politics as he's running the smartest campaign

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Speaker 7: against identity politics, which is this ad where you have

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Speaker 7: a bunch of politically connected women reading his old Reddit posts.

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Speaker 7: She's not even attacking him at she could argue that

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Speaker 7: she thinks democratic socialism is bad for reason X, y

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Speaker 7: and z.

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Speaker 6: She could, She's welcome to do that.

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Speaker 4: And there's an argument that if let's say, if he

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Speaker 4: survives this, that he comes out of it a much

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Speaker 4: stronger general election candidate because a it shows the main

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Speaker 4: public that he's not the choice of the Democratic Party establishment,

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Speaker 4: which being the choice of the Democratic Party establishment in

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Speaker 4: any state and particularly in Maine, is something you have

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Speaker 4: to overcome rather than something that benefits you. But also

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Speaker 4: there's this interesting dynamic that I'm pretty convinced unfolded in

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen during the Bernie Hillary campaign,

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Speaker 4: which is that when centrist Democrats attack a candidate, whether

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Speaker 4: it's Graham Platner or Bernie Sanders as being racist and sexist.

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Speaker 4: What it ends up coding to some moderate or conservative

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Speaker 4: voters is that, oh, maybe they're not as left wing

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Speaker 4: as I.

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Speaker 3: Thought they were.

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Speaker 4: Like it makes so I think that Bernie actually ended

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Speaker 4: up getting some conservative Democratic votes because they understood this

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Speaker 4: identity politics charge from Hillary as deeply left wing coded,

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Speaker 4: left wing, culturally coded, and it made Hillary look left wing,

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Speaker 4: and it made Sanders look more moderate totally.

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Speaker 3: And so to the extent that Platner has problems in

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Speaker 3: the general election.

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Speaker 4: It's probably more connected to him calling himself a communist

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Speaker 4: and like training like paramilitary gun groups, which is hard

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Speaker 4: for the Republicans to hit him on. Well, no, it's

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Speaker 4: kind of cool to train paramilitary.

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Speaker 3: But there's a trans I was.

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Speaker 7: Gonna say, it's the trans stuff that's going to This

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Speaker 7: is a problem for Mills too, because Mills has been

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Speaker 7: the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Is that is the trans question?

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Speaker 6: I'll see you in court, Yeah, exactly, Mills.

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Speaker 7: Mills has staked kind of her political career in this

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Speaker 7: moment against Trump, fighting the Trump administration on bands and

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Speaker 7: like trans athletes and bathrooms and this sort of thing.

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Speaker 7: And so I mean that is that will be a

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Speaker 7: hurdle for Planner to overcome because it's not popular.

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Speaker 4: But my argument is that this actually in a way

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Speaker 4: helps him overcome that totally. Because the more linked you

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Speaker 4: are to identity politics right now, the more and into

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Speaker 4: pennant voter thinks you are a far leftist rather than

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Speaker 4: being you know, a communist and like wanting to like

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Speaker 4: seize the means of production and raise taxes on the ridge,

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Speaker 4: like that's left wing has become code for you know,

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Speaker 4: lean in twenty twenty identity politics stuff. And so having

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Speaker 4: him attacked for you know, from the lane of identity

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Speaker 4: politics codes him as more independent, centrist and moderate in

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Speaker 4: a in a in an unexpected and I think way

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Speaker 4: that most democratic establishment consultants don't understand. But out of this,

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Speaker 4: like mishmash, that's what will reach a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of voters totally agree.

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Speaker 3: We're like, oh, I guess he's not that radical.

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Speaker 6: No, I think that's right. I think that's right. And

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Speaker 6: just playing straight into his hands.

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Speaker 4: Keep it up, Mills, incorrect, do the Nazi one, because

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Speaker 4: if you do the Nazi one, people are going to

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Speaker 4: be like, oh, well, he can't be a communist and

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Speaker 4: a Nazi and he's obviously not a Nazi.

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Speaker 6: And so communist.

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Speaker 4: That's the communist charge. Just when if you're calling him

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Speaker 4: a Nazi.

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Speaker 6: It brings up different mass murder questions.

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Speaker 4: Right if they want to accuse him of being a

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Speaker 4: Stalinist or something we're.

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Speaker 6: Thinking of, go ahead, yeah, that's what's on the table.

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Speaker 4: Collins can try to warn that he's going to create

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Speaker 4: gulags in Maine.

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Speaker 7: That also might not be super successful, but uh yeah,

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Speaker 7: the Mills campaign just it's it's incredible to watch them

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Speaker 7: play directly into Platner's hands because it's all they have.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it doesn't have to be all they have.

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Speaker 7: She could actually make an argument, she could actually lead, or.

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Speaker 4: She could be like, I'm losing badly and I should

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Speaker 4: just and it's I'm like seventy eight, I should just retire.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's beautiful, like, just go do something else.

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Speaker 6: Enjoy it. Have some oysters. She knows a guy who

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Speaker 6: can get some fresh ones.

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Speaker 3: He'll give you a deal.

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. All right, well that's probably enough for

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Speaker 6: us today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that should do it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, thanks everyone for tuning.

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Speaker 7: In Premium subscriptions, you can get over at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 6: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Ryan's ben being cute, but we look forward to a dispatch. Actually,

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Speaker 7: you'll probably be back in studio Wednesday, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we didn't get to cover the micro penis

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Speaker 3: debate that I that I triggered.

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Speaker 6: That's right, that was you. That's right.

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Speaker 4: So I was telling Emily, a high school friend posted

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Speaker 4: to a little group chat. Ryan is now involved in

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Speaker 4: a national micro penis debate.

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Speaker 9: Uh, he is.

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Speaker 6: Look that one up Ryan gram micro.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to talk about it here, but you

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Speaker 4: can go you can go search that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just type that in.

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Speaker 7: You know, we could have talked about it in the

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Speaker 7: green Blad segment though, because it's the same It is

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Speaker 7: the same concept, just attacking people for retweeting Ryan.

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Speaker 6: Which listen, when Ryan I first started hosting together, I

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Speaker 6: got it all the time. Yeah, I'm sure he got

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Speaker 6: it too from me.

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Speaker 7: Indeed, So if you are doing the guilt by association

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Speaker 7: thing when people share legitimate facts, which is all Rian

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Speaker 7: did tweet, It's all he ever does, then you're losing

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Speaker 7: the argument.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that does it for us today.

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Speaker 3: We maybe will come on Google.

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Speaker 6: We could cod cover it Friday, but you won't be

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Speaker 6: on Friday.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: All right, Well, thanks everyone for tuning in. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: We'll see you on Fridays. Well, Ryan, we're just going

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Speaker 7: in circles here. Ryan, won't see you on Friday. I'll

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Speaker 7: see you Friday.

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Speaker 6: We'll see you next Wednesday.

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