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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen in the building, give it up the
Speaker 1: jobs right now, right now, Joz. I want to say this, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was beautiful. It's good to meet you, right and
Speaker 1: let me let me explain that. Not not as in
Speaker 1: meeting you for the first time, but it is good
Speaker 1: to meet you. In meeting you, I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, she's so dope.
Speaker 2: Wow. You always say that this is, this is not,
Speaker 2: this is this is always consistent.
Speaker 1: In meeting you, I was like, Wow, now, amazing energy, amazing,
Speaker 1: how you my loved one off top. I wish your
Speaker 1: nigga would about jos Zy, And as you say, consistency,
Speaker 1: that's you. You're You're consistent in your presence, in your
Speaker 1: demean in your work ethic every time, every time. And
Speaker 1: that's why we're talking about you. That's why they're talking
Speaker 1: about you. That's why you you know, that's why you've
Speaker 1: done the things that you've done, and they're doing the
Speaker 1: things that you're going to do. That's why you know,
Speaker 1: I see you first of all, she don't have a
Speaker 1: ship off time. It's I think.
Speaker 2: I think that's what's so good about like being like
Speaker 2: an R and B artist, Like it was. It was
Speaker 2: a fashion too. Everything was just the whole esthetic of
Speaker 2: being an R and B nigga. It was just like
Speaker 2: I love that, like I love when I used to
Speaker 2: see like Carl Thomas and his fur like the like
Speaker 2: you know, I love to see Donnelle Jones and his
Speaker 2: glasses and his black turtle neck like that was just fly.
Speaker 2: Like even with you, I told Tank, Bro, don't wear
Speaker 2: no shirt, Bro, don't come white. This is the show.
Speaker 2: Take the shirt off.
Speaker 3: You know that I'm not coming right there now.
Speaker 4: If you got to look across, okay, I don't see that.
Speaker 1: You know, we be in that place, get to you know,
Speaker 1: after the fool.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like y'all like that. We don't
Speaker 2: like it like that. I can look at you like
Speaker 2: you look good, but look good I can give you.
Speaker 2: I don't like you like you can look good and
Speaker 2: you know it's nothing like you know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: I heard y'all looking waste together and ship Now yeah games,
Speaker 1: you know gangs got us on the program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not literally, just changing my life around. I love
Speaker 2: going to the gym. I didn't realize that I was
Speaker 2: going to really enjoy seeing I like seeing the aftermath
Speaker 2: and the results. Man, I'm a result person. That's why
Speaker 2: it even took me a minute to come to R
Speaker 2: and B Money because I was like, I don't got
Speaker 2: enough results. I ain't ready, I don't got enough points
Speaker 2: on the board in my eyes to be around you
Speaker 2: all because I really look at you all at a
Speaker 2: high level. So that's why I was afraid to come here.
Speaker 2: But you know, now I'm here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Well, you're supposed to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you to say that, like like while you're
Speaker 1: in it, even with everything that you've done right at
Speaker 1: a high level, but while you're in it, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's important for us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's weird to say elders, but this is crazy.
Speaker 2: You're the eldest.
Speaker 1: Well I mean elder statesman.
Speaker 5: I like you and this shit.
Speaker 1: It's important to shine that light, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: we gotta shine that light on you. If you don't know,
Speaker 1: now you know, you know what I'm saying, because the
Speaker 1: legacy continues with you. You don't see what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: we play our part in our pieces, but listen, we here,
Speaker 1: we're throwing calls on the fire.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the reason why we have the platform ultimately,
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously we're going to have you know, legends
Speaker 6: and new legends, and people who have been a part
Speaker 6: of the music business for a long time, and people
Speaker 6: who are starting out and people who are just accomplished.
Speaker 3: But most of the most most importantly for us, it's
Speaker 3: about what we respect, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 3: why when I ran into you and you said that
Speaker 3: to me, I was like, no, you've been ready, I've
Speaker 3: been loving records, you've done. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 3: that if I can call out your records. That mean
Speaker 3: I respect what you've done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So to us, it doesn't, we don't. We don't look
Speaker 3: at it that way, right, we understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3: We don't look at that way because we know how
Speaker 3: hard it is to get these accomplishments. And you know, like,
Speaker 3: I don't even like, I don't even respect when people
Speaker 3: have those those conversations about one hit wonders, Well.
Speaker 5: That's one more hit than you may ever have in.
Speaker 1: Your life line.
Speaker 2: And I'm so glad I got my big hit out
Speaker 2: the way, so I don't got worried about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I early.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's now, let's get to the little
Speaker 1: john Zie. Let's go back to Memphis. Let's go back
Speaker 1: to Memphis where it all began. Give me, give me
Speaker 1: the beginnings, give me the upbringer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So born and raised in Memphis, Tennescy. Literally, my
Speaker 2: mom was a teacher. But my mom used to be
Speaker 2: in the group. She used to be signed to high
Speaker 2: records with Willie Mitchell. She used to go on to
Speaker 2: it and People's and see Johnson and al Green people.
Speaker 2: So my mom had a group called Jenny and the
Speaker 2: Jay's back in the sixties, they had a song on
Speaker 2: the billboard on the charts like they was doing good.
Speaker 2: They had a song called love what You're Doing in Me?
Speaker 2: And but my mom had to liked she always tell
Speaker 2: me she had to choose either the secular world or
Speaker 2: back in the day, you had to choose a secular
Speaker 2: world or you're gonna go to singing church. And I
Speaker 2: don't know, like Willie Mitchell let her our contract and
Speaker 2: she just starts singing in church and then yeah, I
Speaker 2: was born.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But my brother who's old, my older brother, he was
Speaker 2: an artist back in Memphis, Like he was in his
Speaker 2: croup called Children the Corn, and he was like it
Speaker 2: was like them Skinny Pimp, Three Sins Mafia, one of
Speaker 2: the first rappers who uh, Like so this is this
Speaker 2: is like my life, this is what I'm around. So
Speaker 2: like always like all the rap guys used to be
Speaker 2: at at my crib like smoked out my mama not there. Uh.
Speaker 2: But then my brother got locked up, and I think
Speaker 2: this was changed my life. This was I was like
Speaker 2: four years old and when he got locked up, I
Speaker 2: went in his room. I remember that. I remember four
Speaker 2: years old. I remember like it was just as I
Speaker 2: went in his room, I took all his CDs and
Speaker 2: cassettes and I snuck him under my bed. And at
Speaker 2: four years old, I had the keys to every every
Speaker 2: access to music that kids don't have access to. So
Speaker 2: like I at at like at a young age, I was.
Speaker 2: I took all my brother's stuff and I just took
Speaker 2: it and I played it on my Fisher Price uh
Speaker 2: they headphones and just listened and I promise you, like
Speaker 2: I just absorbed so much music. But like that's kind
Speaker 2: of like the bulk of where I started. And just
Speaker 2: like my brother, it was locked up for like like
Speaker 2: eight ten years. So like in between that, my whole
Speaker 2: life was dedicated to showing him that I could be Yo,
Speaker 2: I want to show I want to do what you
Speaker 2: couldn't have done because he couldn't. He was about to blow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he was about to be one of them
Speaker 2: dudes in Memphis. But literally even Project Pet shot my
Speaker 2: brother out in his and mister don't play like he
Speaker 2: shout him. I was like, yeah, that's my brother, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: mister don't play album. Yeah my brother Lord Tyrek shout
Speaker 2: out to my brother John. But yeah, so like that's
Speaker 2: kind of where it started. So my mom's always supportive
Speaker 2: of me doing music because she wanted to do it,
Speaker 2: and uh, I was just doing a few talent shows.
Speaker 2: I think my first probably when I was eleven years old,
Speaker 2: a wrout my first song. I remember that and falling
Speaker 2: in love. I ain't know none about love. I remember
Speaker 2: that ship too week.
Speaker 1: But you heard love song the week keep was a
Speaker 1: week that was good, you know, something like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I've been good for the list.
Speaker 5: My first song was tracked.
Speaker 2: That was listen you but you had confidence. It was
Speaker 2: a heartbreak song, confidence and so like. But that was
Speaker 2: just kind of like my whole git Like I always
Speaker 2: wanted to be a songwriter, even in high school. I
Speaker 2: remember I went to Germantown and the talent show. Like
Speaker 2: I remember my ninth grade year. This girl wanted me
Speaker 2: to she wanted to do the talent show and she
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, I write the song, and
Speaker 2: literally she won the talent show and no. But then
Speaker 2: I kind of I kind of got tired. I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: niggas is she won? Musically inclined? I was like, hold on,
Speaker 2: I was thinking on the year book and I was
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, no, this ain't this on parallel and
Speaker 2: that that was when I realized that being a being
Speaker 2: a service, you probably not gonna have the all the
Speaker 2: love and support service. Yeah, being a service to somebody,
Speaker 2: you may not have all the love that you want,
Speaker 2: the respect that you think you deserve. So but but
Speaker 2: I was still you like honding on my craft, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But that was like the first
Speaker 2: time I realized high school Germantown that oh yeah, this
Speaker 2: is what that was ugly. Yeah, so you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you get in love in your high school as a.
Speaker 2: Songwriter, mad Love, I was playing tennis actually though I
Speaker 2: was actually playing tennis. Yeah, I got a tennis scholarship
Speaker 2: and everything. I was cold. What Yeah, I played tennis
Speaker 2: in high school.
Speaker 1: Had a pickleball.
Speaker 2: It's something new, right talking about it, right, It's.
Speaker 3: Like it's for like non I always wanted to play. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's weird, like floating in the air.
Speaker 1: All sorts of people play pickleball with big can actually
Speaker 1: be too athletic. First of all, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: skill involved, a lot of athletics. Is the involved. This
Speaker 1: ship Okay in court, this big, it's not that big.
Speaker 1: It's a full tennis court. There's only certain areas that
Speaker 1: the ball can go in lies.
Speaker 2: Folks behind you shaking their head. I just at this
Speaker 2: point pickleball.
Speaker 5: Not pickleball. You was playing tennis.
Speaker 2: Cod Yeah, playing tennis. But you know, I still love music,
Speaker 2: like music was always in my in my in my bloodstream.
Speaker 2: Literally when I was in high school, I was working
Speaker 2: with I was working at this studio in Memphis. This
Speaker 2: is where I kind of got my name as JOSSI.
Speaker 1: Uh, what were you doing at the studio.
Speaker 2: I was writing songs for all the chop niggas, paper
Speaker 2: bag Money, you want hooks.
Speaker 1: And you going to the studio was just you saying
Speaker 1: I need to be in here. Yes, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: paid nothing. I was getting paid.
Speaker 2: I was getting paid.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if you did, if you didn't place nothing,
Speaker 1: you wasn't getting paid.
Speaker 2: No, Like, yeah, I wasn't getting paid. But the thing
Speaker 2: is like, so you know DJ litt Larry, he's Yo.
Speaker 2: Gotti's right here, man. He had this thing called trap
Speaker 2: House and Traphouse, Shoe megas, like everybody was in this studio.
Speaker 2: This just like two thousand and nine to two thousand
Speaker 2: and it got raided twenty eleven and it was the
Speaker 2: Saturday in my life it's over. And like I was
Speaker 2: in school, literally but like I used to get mad,
Speaker 2: but I used to get like a five hundred one
Speaker 2: thousand for all the pimps, all the all the pimps
Speaker 2: who want to turn their life around, be a rapper.
Speaker 2: I would be there. I met young Jockta, I met
Speaker 2: Rock over there, like young Doff used to be there before.
Speaker 2: Dolph was like really, dof you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So he was all just you know, I was just
Speaker 2: a kid in high school around all these folks, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And literally like one day I
Speaker 2: got a call, I'm bauck to go. They say, do
Speaker 2: not pull up to the studio, bro, this shit is
Speaker 2: getting raided right now. And like I was. It was
Speaker 2: on the news. My mama like what you this? Ain't this?
Speaker 1: This were you?
Speaker 2: Oh? My thought? It was just like it was just crazy.
Speaker 2: I cried, I was. I was sick.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was really sick because that's all we had in
Speaker 2: Memphis was was the trap House. Like if anybody knows
Speaker 2: about Memphis, and like around that time, from like two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight to two thousand and eleven twelve, like
Speaker 2: that was all we had. That was it, and so
Speaker 2: like I was super depressed, didn't know what I was
Speaker 2: gonna do in my life. I was in school, didn't
Speaker 2: want to be at school in college and uh well
Speaker 2: didn't want to be in high school. I had to
Speaker 2: go to college the next year. I hated it. But god, man, I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you, did you go in your tennis scholarship?
Speaker 2: I went on a tennis scholarship college you show I
Speaker 2: went to I went to college on my Tennessee on
Speaker 2: my on my scholarship. Man, like I was cold. Stop
Speaker 2: playing with me.
Speaker 7: Cold.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Somebody got to have some footage.
Speaker 1: Somewhere we got.
Speaker 2: Definitely, my mama didn't come in onto my games. It's
Speaker 2: so bad, you know, mama dude, Like, but so she
Speaker 2: was an English Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was at work and my daddy thought
Speaker 3: basketball was bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: My pop mama usually selling double doing music. That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazyn. So nobody came to my game to recording,
Speaker 2: which is crazy, you know what I'm saying. That was
Speaker 2: just me, but but literally it was a I think,
Speaker 2: Uh thanks to trap House, I got connected with my
Speaker 2: boy Bug and Web but the machine they worked at
Speaker 2: the studio at Trap House and they leave me with
Speaker 2: this producer from VA who was signed to Timberland and
Speaker 2: his name was wiz Dom and Wiz was looking for
Speaker 2: a songwriter. And literally he called me. He met me
Speaker 2: on Twitter. You dealing each other like he was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I heard you. You called and Memphis. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I need a writer.
Speaker 5: And I was like, yes, you are away at college
Speaker 5: and that I was.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, I came back from h U
Speaker 2: T Chat to come back to UM because some family
Speaker 2: situation happened. I had come back home, so I went
Speaker 2: to school that U M. I went to Memphis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I went to Chat one year. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I came back like it was too much stuff going on.
Speaker 2: I had to come back. And like you, if you
Speaker 2: know anything about Chattanooga and Memphis, they do not. We
Speaker 2: won't get along like Chatta. Like at the time when
Speaker 2: you went to ut Chat, everybody wanted to fight. It
Speaker 2: was just bad. Like I had a roommate got ran over.
Speaker 7: It was bad.
Speaker 2: Like it was just like you can't walk off the
Speaker 2: campus because you about to like you can't you gotta
Speaker 2: stay on the campus.
Speaker 5: Just beef between the two schools.
Speaker 2: It's no, not the schools, it's beef between the city.
Speaker 2: Don't like Memphis niggas. They just they just think we
Speaker 2: just boogie up at you know yea yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just kind of crazy. I had to get
Speaker 2: up out of ut chat because it was a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on. But UH went back home, did
Speaker 2: University Memphis. I'm leaving school. This was twenty twelve. Got
Speaker 2: a call from Wiz and Wiz was like, uh, y'all,
Speaker 2: can you fly to Miami for a week? I need you?
Speaker 2: I went home. I bet my parents. My pap was like, yep,
Speaker 2: you can go. And I went out there and I
Speaker 2: stayed there for six years and that was that was
Speaker 2: That was it. That was the start of like who
Speaker 2: Johnsy was week? I was supposed to be there for
Speaker 2: a week. Yeah, from twenty twelve to twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you fund that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Let's talk about survival.
Speaker 1: Yeah, survival.
Speaker 2: I ain't go front my pop bless me, my pop,
Speaker 2: bless me. My pop was like, yo, this is what
Speaker 2: he said. He said, Yo. This is like He's like yo,
Speaker 2: since I ain't paying for your college. This is your college.
Speaker 2: He was like, he was like, I'm giving you four
Speaker 2: years to make it. If you're like if you're doing
Speaker 2: four years and all right, we were just what we're
Speaker 2: gonna do, you know what I'm saying. So kind of
Speaker 2: like that was him, that was that was his, that
Speaker 2: was his. My pop John, My papa is cold. My
Speaker 2: papa is super cold. N So my pap was like
Speaker 2: he was and I just think he's just saw like
Speaker 2: he saw it. He knew, he knew who his daughter was.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like him, like I'm cold, like I'm
Speaker 2: just in so many ways. So he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: if this is what you want to do, this is
Speaker 2: this is what you're gonna do now, Like I struggled,
Speaker 2: like he I couldn't live the life that I wanted
Speaker 2: out bro, Like he didn't give me a lot of money.
Speaker 2: No well no no no no no so no no
Speaker 2: no no. He just gave me money for gas and
Speaker 2: good stuff like that. It was good and I was
Speaker 2: blessed for that. But like, so Wiz got a pub
Speaker 2: deal because he did Up Up and Away for Low
Speaker 2: Way and he did a few other songs, and like
Speaker 2: I said, he was with Timbland, So I'm around Timbling Timbling.
Speaker 2: I think they had a house in Opa Loaca and
Speaker 2: they let us stay there. So I'm in Opa Loaca.
Speaker 2: So we was staying there and then we had to
Speaker 2: start paying rent on it. But like for a few months,
Speaker 2: we were just staying there. And so Wiz, like I said,
Speaker 2: he really like he took me under his wings and
Speaker 2: was like yo, he was like my big bro. So
Speaker 2: he was like yo, Boom, like let's just let's just cook.
Speaker 2: Were supposed to be like the new tim in miss
Speaker 2: that was a whole life friend. We're gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: write the songs you're gonna produce. And like literally like
Speaker 2: Tim and MISSI just like took us under their wings.
Speaker 2: I met Missy and she was like, yo, come stay
Speaker 2: with me and boom. I stayed with Missy for a
Speaker 2: few for a few weeks, stay you know. So it
Speaker 2: was just kind of like a learning experience.
Speaker 1: Stay with me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nah, she let me come place. It will make room
Speaker 1: for you, nah bro.
Speaker 2: Like literally, Missy, I remember my twenty first birthday, like
Speaker 2: she got me shit faced. I remember that. But I
Speaker 2: learned so much from Missy being you know, in that situation.
Speaker 2: But as far as having money, nah, bro literally like
Speaker 2: we was faking it till we made it.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: I would pull up, I would take wizards, jeep, take
Speaker 2: it to South Beach, get girls, bring them to the
Speaker 2: studio and we vibing at the studio. It's like Hit Factory.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Hit Factory in twenty thirteen fourteen. It
Speaker 2: was just a different time. It was like popping. Everybody
Speaker 2: was there, like you had like that's how I met Wayne.
Speaker 2: You had the cash money over there. You would have
Speaker 2: carry Hilson in one room, Polo had done to be
Speaker 2: in the next room. Bibro would be upstairs with like
Speaker 2: it was as what is James Posner. I was a
Speaker 2: huge James Posner. He was an amazing songwriter. And I
Speaker 2: was like James Posts upstairs. No, I was just like
Speaker 2: such a kid and like I just wanted to just
Speaker 2: be around all of this. And literally I didn't make
Speaker 2: no songs, like literally no songs. But we probably I
Speaker 2: mean because like we just was we had to sneak
Speaker 2: studio times. So like think about this is when around
Speaker 2: the time when Simbling was kind of he was I
Speaker 2: was after the promiscuous girl, after the sexy back, so
Speaker 2: he was in it was a weird time for him
Speaker 2: and that that that little Tom, but he was always
Speaker 2: in the studio so like we didn't have to like
Speaker 2: we didn't We only could work when niggas went to sleep,
Speaker 2: right Like so I'm talking about we would be in
Speaker 2: the studio till four in the morning. I'm like, just
Speaker 2: And that was how I became a people, like a
Speaker 2: person that just everybody know, cause I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: if I ain't working, niggas, gonn no, why am Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I started going out. I started like hit in Miami,
Speaker 2: like Super Tomboys stud like the only one in Miami,
Speaker 2: and I'm in all the clubs.
Speaker 1: Niggas.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh the letter in like because I had
Speaker 2: to figure out, like I'm not working, so let me
Speaker 2: go outside and you know, use it in a network,
Speaker 2: you know, build my network. But literally we would come
Speaker 2: back to the I would come back to the studio,
Speaker 2: whiz it's still there, banging on beats. I was like, nigga,
Speaker 2: you have fun with that. I'm not just gonna sit
Speaker 2: here and not work, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: like we were like five or six in the morning,
Speaker 2: we would get in and work, and that was kind
Speaker 2: of like where I started honeing on my craft. But
Speaker 2: like it was, it was a weird time. Literally we
Speaker 2: would just be in the room just being like flies
Speaker 2: on the wall. When so and so walks in or
Speaker 2: Kugnye walks in, we just there. It's just not being
Speaker 2: were able to work. It was just I hated it.
Speaker 2: I hated that. Like I guess it's it was artists
Speaker 2: development of like going who you are, but boy, I
Speaker 2: hated that shit. Like just sit and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm the one. You just want to get in cold,
Speaker 2: like you should try me.
Speaker 5: It's tough waiting on your turn.
Speaker 3: That's not people and some people don't have the patience
Speaker 3: for it and fuck up a lot of opportunities jumping
Speaker 3: out there trying to prove that they're do one because
Speaker 3: like you said.
Speaker 5: You already knew who you were and you knew what
Speaker 5: you will become, and you knew, like.
Speaker 3: I can compete by your time and meaning that place
Speaker 3: wasn't your time neither, because that that ship wasn't booked
Speaker 3: for you, you know what I mean. Like, but that's
Speaker 3: the thing people don't understand, uh, industry etiquette, right, I've
Speaker 3: had plenty of you know who may be dope writers
Speaker 3: come in there that came with somebody else that keep trying.
Speaker 5: To throw words in pop.
Speaker 2: If you don't get here, I tell you, and I
Speaker 2: tell I tell one of my boys, you gotta get
Speaker 2: them out of there. Bro, like you're doing a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm quick to be like, bro, come on, bro, like
Speaker 2: I'm not like, I hate that.
Speaker 5: But they don't understand that though.
Speaker 3: It's it's just ignorance to it more so than it's
Speaker 3: about them being disrespectful.
Speaker 5: They just don't even know. They thinking, oh, I'm here now, shit,
Speaker 5: let me show my talent.
Speaker 2: I remember one session, you know, Jim Beans. Jim Beans
Speaker 2: was Jim Beans is a He did a lot of
Speaker 2: vocal production for like he did like the Promiscutor, He
Speaker 2: did all of that shit, and he did also the Empire.
Speaker 2: But Jim Beans is one of the first people who
Speaker 2: made me feel comfortable in the studio. Like literally, I
Speaker 2: walked in the first day off the plane actually coming
Speaker 2: to Miami. I walked into this session he was working
Speaker 2: on and he was like, you want to write? And
Speaker 2: I just sat there. I was quiet. I just sat
Speaker 2: and paid attention. I wasn't trying to like overstep boundaries,
Speaker 2: and he just looked at me and was like, you
Speaker 2: want to help me, right? I was like, wow, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: And I just thought that moment was so dope because
Speaker 2: he like let me into his world because I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is jim Beans like he did carry I know,
Speaker 2: I know everybody. I'm a super friends for I know
Speaker 2: every thing about Timbling and MISSI static if you ask
Speaker 2: me any questions about how they started. I know everything
Speaker 2: about these guys. I studied Missy, I studied till I
Speaker 2: study Magou. I love these niggas like so it was
Speaker 2: almost like I was just I knew who Jim Ban's was.
Speaker 2: So it was just like oh my god. And h
Speaker 2: just those moments where just people just want to like
Speaker 2: include you, those are the times that I just cause
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna include myself. When I went to Missy's house,
Speaker 2: she she had a studio in my house. So now
Speaker 2: I can just wake up in the morning at work too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the thing about Missy ain't nobody coming in our house.
Speaker 2: So you have to teach yourself how to record. So
Speaker 2: I had to learn pro tools and I'm so glad,
Speaker 2: like she'd like, I learned how to record myself thanks
Speaker 2: to Missy. She taught me a valuable thing because working
Speaker 2: with Wiz. I didn't know. I was just I thought
Speaker 2: I had to write to all his beats because he's
Speaker 2: my producer, even if I didn't like it. I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't stand his beat, but I'm gonna write to
Speaker 2: it because it's my partner. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: She was she was chewing them now, like Nigga, this
Speaker 2: ain't it. Nigga, this ain't good. She's like, nah, she
Speaker 2: was eating whizz up because she was trying to Like.
Speaker 2: She was like, this what I do to timbling? Like
Speaker 2: you know how many times I told timbling? Nah, Nigga,
Speaker 2: this ain't it. She's like Jozzi. She was like, you
Speaker 2: don't got to write to every every song, every every beat,
Speaker 2: because it's in your face. Like if a producer gives
Speaker 2: you one beat and you don't like it, be like, YO,
Speaker 2: play some more beats. You don't have to write. And
Speaker 2: I was like word like I didn't know that. I
Speaker 2: thought that, oh this is the beat, Oh this is
Speaker 2: so and so this is a big producer, so he knows.
Speaker 2: But no, like sometimes you may have to challenge your
Speaker 2: producer and be like, Nah, this ain't it. What else
Speaker 2: you got? It ain't it for me, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So Missy taught me that like and after
Speaker 2: that I was quick to telling Nigga, let me play
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 1: But I think I think your reverence for the craft
Speaker 1: in the beginning, you know, had you developing something that
Speaker 1: you probably weren't realizing you were developing, just being ready
Speaker 1: whatever it is right, Like I don't like to be
Speaker 1: but I.
Speaker 5: Want to because it's two sides to that.
Speaker 3: It's two sides to that, because I mean, the reps
Speaker 3: in itself gives you an opportunity to better yourself and
Speaker 3: better you know what I mean, Like for when that
Speaker 3: right record does come and the truth matters. As many
Speaker 3: people say they know in this ship, no one really, no,
Speaker 3: I don't know, we don't know. It could be something
Speaker 3: that we could play in the car every day and
Speaker 3: think is the greatest song in the world and nobody
Speaker 3: gives a fuck. And being on the flip side, it
Speaker 3: could be that throwaway record, throw away and Nigga be like,
Speaker 3: the world loves it.
Speaker 2: Did you have a throw away joint that people like you.
Speaker 1: Lying that wasn't four or five artists passed on it,
Speaker 1: just sitting there. I had one more day left in
Speaker 1: the studio that was paid for, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I record all the
Speaker 1: songs I wanted to record. They was like, well, you
Speaker 1: got one more day, so whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, got this one beat
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna record this one right here, record that song.
Speaker 1: When Nigga Lane comes to what you're working on that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this this bullshit you want to do? Want
Speaker 1: to do the bridge? He dow the Bridge. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just niggas call me. Two days later
Speaker 1: the nigga you did it? I was like, what you want?
Speaker 2: Nigga?
Speaker 1: I started naming all sorts of records. No this, please
Speaker 1: don't go. I said, what yo? I'm sure? Sure? Are
Speaker 1: you sure? Guys? How'd you? I wrote and produced the
Speaker 1: whole thing, but I was still like this kind of
Speaker 1: trush you sure?
Speaker 2: That's crazy?
Speaker 1: I watched that. I watched that song go from three
Speaker 1: spins to three thousand spins to six thousand. I was
Speaker 1: in the office every day, like what's going on there?
Speaker 1: Like you are it's happening. You got a hit record,
Speaker 1: You have a hit record. I watched us come out
Speaker 1: and sell more records than everybody.
Speaker 2: What you thought was the hit on that joint?
Speaker 1: On sex, Left and Pain?
Speaker 2: Which one would you go with?
Speaker 1: Everything was crazy.
Speaker 2: Now, but which one was you gonna go with?
Speaker 1: Over?
Speaker 2: Please don't go?
Speaker 1: I was just curious, Like, I mean, we had a
Speaker 1: wedding song on there, it would have been crazy, and
Speaker 1: we eventually went with Heartbreaker, But Heartbreaker was on there.
Speaker 1: I was kind of into my tempo bag, so I
Speaker 1: was thinking maybe the Coldest would have some play, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was like, we put out
Speaker 1: this Coldest thing, I would be dancing a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'd already you know, fucked up a video dancing and ship,
Speaker 1: but I was I was willing to try another one.
Speaker 2: Hilarious, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It was my body like through so many joints. The
Speaker 1: label was like, nah, trust me, this is it.
Speaker 2: And then Motherfuckers was shout out to the an O
Speaker 2: because I wish like, there's no an R. I don't
Speaker 2: it's scary. A and R is a some there's a
Speaker 2: few dopees, but like shout out to that an R.
Speaker 1: Well, thing from those days, like your executive was the
Speaker 1: fucking an ore those days. Nigga Barry Hankerson knew music
Speaker 1: like he wasn't no, he wasn't no lawyer or no.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He knew music, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was with the Whinings. He wished
Speaker 1: Gladys Knight. You know what I'm saying. Him R Kelly
Speaker 1: Oliah like this, nigga knew music when when we put
Speaker 1: out Freaky as my first single, don't look that up
Speaker 1: and ship went bad? He said. He he listened to
Speaker 1: the project, listen to all the songs, and he called
Speaker 1: me in the office. He said, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take control from here. We're gonna change your life.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what that means, but
Speaker 1: do what you do. He said, this is the.
Speaker 7: Song I deserve and here that's his history.
Speaker 1: So we we missed those executives who understand music because
Speaker 1: now it's numbers. Now, it's analytics. Now, it's chasing after fact.
Speaker 3: It's baseball all yeah, you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 3: absolutely an analytic game. And that ain't no, there's no uh,
Speaker 3: there's no heart in analytics.
Speaker 5: It's just numbers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So if if you don't feel it, because that's all
Speaker 3: this ship is. I'm not replaying a song I did
Speaker 3: not feel. I'm the fuck what nobody else tell me?
Speaker 3: I didn't feel it personally, it's just me my feeling.
Speaker 1: Oh it's gonna be the biggest that's cool.
Speaker 3: It's cool, and y'all push whatever button you think you're
Speaker 3: gonna push it, and it may work. I'm willing to
Speaker 3: stand behind and stand in front of what feels good
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: That was, and that was one thing talking about Missy.
Speaker 2: I didn't have structure in my songs. My songs, I
Speaker 2: really didn't know. You know, that's one thing I love
Speaker 2: about Max Martin. It's some Max Martin structure. You know,
Speaker 2: you're going to get the AA, You're gonna get the A,
Speaker 2: B A, you know what I'm saying. You're gonna get
Speaker 2: a pop structure. You're gonna get the hook, big hook
Speaker 2: off on the bot on the down beat. I ain't
Speaker 2: none of that, So I was. It was just melodies
Speaker 2: and feeling and she was just like loving it and
Speaker 2: I was, and she she never really told me how
Speaker 2: to structure a.
Speaker 1: Song because she didn't want to put those those barriers
Speaker 1: she did.
Speaker 2: She didn't, Bro, she didn't, And like that's one thing
Speaker 2: I learned, I know, like about like what helped me.
Speaker 2: She she was like, yo, she wanted me to keep
Speaker 2: that feeling. She wanted me to keep that substance and
Speaker 2: just And I'm really a student, bro, I love to learn,
Speaker 2: Like I still love to learn. If you can't teach
Speaker 2: me nothing in the room, I be like, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: all right to go to the club. And she if
Speaker 2: I don't learn nothing, like I want to learn everything
Speaker 2: and soak up. So just being around Missy she taught
Speaker 2: me that. She she she taught me without telling me,
Speaker 2: like nah, this is where the hooks supposed to go.
Speaker 2: This that I learned that just really just just being
Speaker 2: around just great, just being in the rooms and being
Speaker 2: in flying the wall. Like nobody really just taught me
Speaker 2: how to write a song. I had to just learn from. Oh,
Speaker 2: ship Shun Garrett is in with timbling. Let me see
Speaker 2: what he's doing. Oh he's very pop like with his ship.
Speaker 2: So I'm okay, Oh that's where he goes. Oh so
Speaker 2: the hook is higher than the pre hook. So I
Speaker 2: got to go higher on the pre hug on the
Speaker 2: hook than the pre you know what I'm saying. I was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know the build up, like I didn't know,
Speaker 2: you know, It's just everything felt good. So like my
Speaker 2: whole life was just literally learning. I was like just
Speaker 2: in school of like learning this ship. I didn't get
Speaker 2: paid until well I got Yeah, I got paid.
Speaker 5: That's not forget that money.
Speaker 2: Was gone when I got to Miami. That ship was done.
Speaker 2: Because I thought I was gonna get.
Speaker 1: Some say that because it's more on the I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna be more.
Speaker 2: I was on the way to the studio. Who need
Speaker 2: a right now?
Speaker 1: Okay, I know from him that's the that's the thousand
Speaker 1: ju ju. I know he promised me four thousand of
Speaker 1: other night because he means what it was, Bro, you
Speaker 1: can spend this, but you had a you had a
Speaker 1: different kind of hunger for this ship in order to
Speaker 1: in order to in order to digest that information, like
Speaker 1: you have to have a hunger for that.
Speaker 5: Everybody's not willing.
Speaker 1: Everybody's not and everybody can't sit in those sessions or
Speaker 1: sit in those places and figure out what they're doing
Speaker 1: there if they're not working they'll be sitting at anybody.
Speaker 1: This ain't correct. No, hung, I'm out. But to be
Speaker 1: able to sit there and say you might have said
Speaker 1: to the whole session like this. It wasn't until the
Speaker 1: transition out of the second verse into the second hook
Speaker 1: you said what the fuck was that? Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: what you needed to go to that next place that
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to. Yes because creative.
Speaker 2: No agree, bro, because I'm telling you. At the time
Speaker 2: when I was around Timbling, he was doing real pop songs.
Speaker 2: And I remember the day like it was yesterday. Uh,
Speaker 2: they brought Bryson Tilla in the studio. This is before
Speaker 2: Bryson dropped Chop Soul. They was like, Yo, you need
Speaker 2: to sign this dude.
Speaker 7: Tim was like.
Speaker 2: Nah, And I looked at I was looking at Wiz
Speaker 2: and I was like that nigga is cold like Bryce Tiller.
Speaker 2: So he was playing all the shit that he was
Speaker 2: about to drop, like the don't He was playing it
Speaker 2: all and I was just like, oh, this shit is
Speaker 2: so cold. So me and w said, Yo, we're FINSA
Speaker 2: started ship called twenty nineties R and B. So the
Speaker 2: twenty in the nineties, the two thousands, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And then the nineties of the R and B,
Speaker 2: so we was like, Yo, we're going to just do
Speaker 2: R and B like the way we like it. And
Speaker 2: literally we started making songs that sounded like classic Aliyah,
Speaker 2: classic total all that shit. And then twenty fourteen that
Speaker 2: Nigga Bites until the jop chopped so and we was
Speaker 2: like it begins like we knew, like, oh man, this
Speaker 2: is the sound, like this is what we here. The
Speaker 2: sound was a little darker because you know, but it
Speaker 2: was the chop soul, but it was R and B
Speaker 2: and we was just like, damn, I didn't have a
Speaker 2: voice on tip to timbling to be like, yo, bro,
Speaker 2: you're crazy.
Speaker 5: This is crazy kicked the student.
Speaker 2: And we didn't just talk like that, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So so I didn't want to like say that,
Speaker 2: but I was just like, this is yo, this song
Speaker 2: is gonna go. Yeah. I heard it, and so I
Speaker 2: remember when we went back to Missy house and we
Speaker 2: went to Jersey, they were Missy and I was like, Missy,
Speaker 2: I'm working on my album and she was just like
Speaker 2: you need to let you need to let him hear
Speaker 2: this because she was like, I think this will help
Speaker 2: Timbling get his stride back with like with that's with
Speaker 2: R and B. She she heard something in it. So
Speaker 2: I played a few songs for Timberland and that was
Speaker 2: when he started working on twenty twenty Vision with Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2: And like, I really do feel like I helped influence
Speaker 2: We helped influence Timbling to do some R and B
Speaker 2: on that twenty twenty Vision because like I remember, he
Speaker 2: was just like, Yo, this is crazy. He flew up
Speaker 2: to La to work and we just we had a room.
Speaker 2: He gave us a room that was beautiful. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody came in there.
Speaker 5: We had a room.
Speaker 2: I remember I saw James punl Roy for the first
Speaker 2: song was like since I always called him since, and
Speaker 2: he came in and showed love. But like we had
Speaker 2: a room in the back and we were just like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're here, like we we got our room. Tiana Taylor
Speaker 2: that was the first artist I worked with. That was
Speaker 2: my first artist I actually worked with was Tiana and
Speaker 2: we did a song man Monster Bro and I felt
Speaker 2: like Tiana, she was underrated, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we got in with her and we did
Speaker 2: a few songs and I was like, Yo, this is it,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was just one of those moments. Was
Speaker 2: just like I was around all of these people, like
Speaker 2: justin Timber, like in the studio when he's doing twenty
Speaker 2: twenty vision, I'm just like in the room if I
Speaker 2: felt like little Michael like what is that?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: It was really it was really one of those moments
Speaker 2: where I was just like, I'm ready put me in.
Speaker 2: I wish one of these nigga would be like Jozzie,
Speaker 2: what you got? Nobody? Nobody was like. I was just
Speaker 2: like yo, y'all hello. It was the weirdest I remember
Speaker 2: a few times. I probably like definitely like cry, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying because I was just like, what
Speaker 2: is like nobody's calling my name? And Polo to done.
Speaker 2: He hit me up because I was kind of getting
Speaker 2: fed up over the temper. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: niggas ain't y'all. Don't y'all ain't pouring into me like
Speaker 2: I think y'all should. And Polo was like, yo, He's
Speaker 2: like yo, con Orlando, he got a Johnny Right studio
Speaker 2: that big comp him and Polo saw it. Polo was like, yo,
Speaker 2: let me manage you. And I did Monica's whole first album,
Speaker 2: I mean my first album, whole last album co read.
Speaker 2: I wrote that entire album. Damn. I had like six
Speaker 2: songs on the album and I did. I did her single.
Speaker 1: I can hear Polo right now. She wrote like fifteen
Speaker 1: songs an.
Speaker 3: Hour could But Polo Polo, he identifies talent and has
Speaker 3: been doing that for years.
Speaker 1: Polo got Polo has that gift. They don't give him
Speaker 1: credit for his his mind.
Speaker 5: Absolutely not Jones. That niggas call and he's been.
Speaker 1: He knows that ship. He knows ship, and he knows
Speaker 1: he knows back country and everybody.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, niggas diving in over there.
Speaker 1: I remember that they call me nigga.
Speaker 2: Got one came around, Nigga came for sure around the world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a show, the show for show Like that was
Speaker 2: the That was when I got my money, like I
Speaker 2: got my like that was when I kind of, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Got your real opportunity, my opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. The horrible pub deal. We
Speaker 2: didn't talk about that Marble pub.
Speaker 5: I mean, why not why not talk about it?
Speaker 1: We've all been there.
Speaker 5: But you know what I'm saying, did you get more
Speaker 5: than seventy five?
Speaker 2: I got? You know I did? I did get more
Speaker 2: than that, but like and I guess I'm no, you did?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I wish I would have the pub did what?
Speaker 1: Did you have an nbr C?
Speaker 2: Yes, what the pub deal was? Oh and it's still
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so the ship is y'all you're ready
Speaker 2: for this show?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right?
Speaker 2: Got the PUB deal in twenty fifteen? When did Kanye
Speaker 2: come out with?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: The album when the couple just didn't have no joints
Speaker 2: on it?
Speaker 1: It was blank?
Speaker 2: What was that? What album?
Speaker 1: Was this?
Speaker 7: A couple of years ago?
Speaker 2: That was like twenty what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: He's this?
Speaker 2: When dropped bro? Twenty sixteen? All right, cool boom, all right?
Speaker 2: I got the contract twenty fifteen twenty Like towards the
Speaker 2: end of twenty sixteen, Kanye is and genius because he
Speaker 2: already knew that album's albums were about to be done.
Speaker 2: He knew that the streaming world was about to come crazy.
Speaker 2: The MD the deal I was in said that no songs,
Speaker 2: only one song counted, but they all had to be
Speaker 2: on a CD. On album albums are extinct they're about
Speaker 2: to be extinct in twenty sixteen, bro, So that means
Speaker 2: anything that I did that was just going to go
Speaker 2: on streaming platforms was not going to be counting. So
Speaker 2: I was gonna be in this bitch forever my whole life.
Speaker 1: How many songs though, bro?
Speaker 2: It was like seven songs full song, yes, bro, like bro.
Speaker 3: I fourteen off the top top if you write the whole,
Speaker 3: if you co write the top line. Now, ever'y talking
Speaker 3: about twenty one twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Sounded cool because you only heard seven and then no.
Speaker 2: And not only that, I didn't know if the album, but.
Speaker 1: You figured you could get it all done and one.
Speaker 2: Not only that though, yeah, but not only that. It
Speaker 2: was a lot of ship going on with the lawyer.
Speaker 2: It was bad. It was I got I got a
Speaker 2: swindled bad. But that's when I learned. I learned a
Speaker 2: lot of shit from that. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We ain't gonna go too crazy, but I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: So you feel like you're a lawyer. Wasn't my lawyer?
Speaker 2: Was wasn't my lawyer. My lawyer was given to me
Speaker 2: by somebody else. That wasn't that. That wasn't my lawyer.
Speaker 2: So let's just say that you know your best interest,
Speaker 2: they have my best interest, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like I worked
Speaker 2: so hard, I was like, that's cool. But but that's
Speaker 2: the thing I thought it was gonna be on. I
Speaker 2: didn't know the album part, Like I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have known that because that's in the future, right,
Speaker 1: And nobody knew that the future was going to be
Speaker 1: that crazy except for the people on the other side.
Speaker 1: So we saw iTunes and we're like, okay, iTunes now
Speaker 1: were separating songs. Now you can get a song without getting.
Speaker 3: Honestly, none of this ship is a surprise accident design.
Speaker 1: But the people writing the contracts you couldn't what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that you couldn't have.
Speaker 2: And nobody told me, she's this is a great contract
Speaker 2: you should do, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: I need this and I needed some money. When you're desperate,
Speaker 2: that's what happens when you're desperate. And just why you
Speaker 2: never be desperate for money. Just sit down and just
Speaker 2: just don't go out. Just sit you ass down and
Speaker 2: eat some.
Speaker 1: More, or you figure out your way to work for
Speaker 1: the desperation, right exactly, because if you if you are desperate,
Speaker 1: if you do need that money, then sometimes there's a
Speaker 1: bullet that you just have to bite in the beginning
Speaker 1: and you say, I'm going to be patient and work
Speaker 1: through this and I'm just going to do bigger and
Speaker 1: better on the other side.
Speaker 6: True.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Because most people that complain about the bad deal never
Speaker 3: did nothing beyond that deal, right Like, honestly, like you're
Speaker 3: not complaining about that deal, You're just like it was
Speaker 3: fucked up.
Speaker 5: I made it through it.
Speaker 3: Most of the people that be jumping and hollering about
Speaker 3: these man they fucked me over. And I would never
Speaker 3: because they never did anything else, honestly, because the more
Speaker 3: you do, the unless you think about the sacrifices that
Speaker 3: you had to make to get to the spot that
Speaker 3: you're talking about it.
Speaker 2: And some people really get Jaden really mentally. I know
Speaker 2: people who really have lost their minds, like I've lost
Speaker 2: their minds because because played with their money. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Well, essence is playing with the which
Speaker 2: is playing with their life.
Speaker 3: On God, I tell people all the time though, whenever
Speaker 3: you know because I've had those conversations with a lot
Speaker 3: of those same type people, maybe the same people, where
Speaker 3: I tell them, I said, don't ever get it confused.
Speaker 3: That contract will not outlast your talent.
Speaker 5: That sound good, but it's true, it's really the truth.
Speaker 3: Honestly, You're gonna go through the ship, and yes it's
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna get tough. But if you really got it,
Speaker 3: if you really got it that ship, and especially as
Speaker 3: you start putting up numbers, then there's this thing called
Speaker 3: renegotiation and.
Speaker 1: Reversion, you know what I mean. All the reds, all
Speaker 1: the reds.
Speaker 3: Like that is really what this business is about. Because
Speaker 3: think about all the deals that people have done with artists,
Speaker 3: with writers, with producers that never materialize and they never
Speaker 3: got that money back.
Speaker 5: Imagine being on that side of the business. Because I've
Speaker 5: been on that side of the business.
Speaker 1: Spend I just believed then nothing, nothing ever came back
Speaker 1: and been accused of not being.
Speaker 5: Supportive when the bag was spent, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So there's two ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this R and B money thing, we give you
Speaker 5: both sides.
Speaker 2: Of publishing, and I understand, like there's two s.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 1: I have three albums, one two, three six uh fors
Speaker 1: of nature one man pain. Ask me how many statements
Speaker 1: I've seen already?
Speaker 2: Know how many STI I bet you like one? Two, none, one.
Speaker 1: I can believe that though one to how many artists
Speaker 1: royalties I've ever received from those three albums.
Speaker 2: Not that that's crazy, that's crazy for.
Speaker 1: The course, when if I if I wallow in that,
Speaker 1: if I lay in that and let that be the
Speaker 1: end of me, we never get to know but one
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, bro, the industry is that's sick. I
Speaker 2: just think people deserve like things should be fair. I
Speaker 2: think it should be some type of la Let me.
Speaker 1: Tell you what the problem is, and we don't have
Speaker 1: to go too far into it. But artists don't have unions.
Speaker 1: I know, we don't have a governing or protective body
Speaker 1: over us. It's designed to take advantage of us. The
Speaker 1: entire business. I don't care if you're black, white, whatever
Speaker 1: you are. This entire business is designed to to to
Speaker 1: to take advantage of you until you know better to
Speaker 1: do better. Now, what is great about it is that
Speaker 1: one moment can change every motherfucking thing, right one.
Speaker 3: Record record, imagine being able to imagine, able to be
Speaker 3: able to live your life and make money off of
Speaker 3: one game winner. That one game win, nigga got lucky
Speaker 3: here one Now you dancing and saying this motherfucker all
Speaker 3: over the world for the rest of your life, for.
Speaker 7: The rest of your life.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing about this music.
Speaker 3: Maybe you can hit the lottery any day you wake
Speaker 3: up and this ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just what it is. You get the lottery.
Speaker 2: Not that true. I've definitely hit the lottery because because
Speaker 2: first let's let's go to get to what's your first
Speaker 2: placement and what's your first was it Demonica' stuff? My
Speaker 2: first placement was Monica Baby, Baby Baby just right for
Speaker 2: me with Little Wayne. I wrote that, and uh, I
Speaker 2: did Fergie Milk Money Ship, I wrote, I wrote that
Speaker 2: that was like, uh, that was like one of my
Speaker 2: first big placements I did with Polo, So yeah, that
Speaker 2: was that was it. And then literally I get a
Speaker 2: call for my boy, business Boy. It was one of
Speaker 2: my favorite producers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he linked me with business Boys from the mill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to my next single. He's incredible. Shout
Speaker 2: out to biz But literally that's my brother and like
Speaker 2: he hit me. He gave this guy my number. Andy
Speaker 2: Steinway who became my manager. He came for the publishing
Speaker 2: world and he was He called me. He was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I know you're in Miami. I can't do nothing with
Speaker 2: I can't really help do nothing for you in Miami.
Speaker 5: But you in Miami.
Speaker 2: He was like, if you come to l A like
Speaker 2: we can work. I was like, I got so many sessions.
Speaker 2: I started working with a whole bunch of like rap
Speaker 2: Like this was around the time extentation was popping, Like
Speaker 2: the whole Miami was lit. Like I'm talking about all
Speaker 2: the all those artists was at my Boys studio. We
Speaker 2: was in Brickle at the top. It was like twenty
Speaker 2: guns on the table. Yeah, but in Miami, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But yeah, so like I'm talking about
Speaker 2: Jimmy Duvall, who was amazing, but he didn't look at
Speaker 2: me for triple for excentation. So like we all like
Speaker 2: this was our whole crew. Like we was there and
Speaker 2: I was just getting money. I get a call. This
Speaker 2: was actually I'm a little sick, and I think there
Speaker 2: was COVID before we knew what COVID was. Bro I
Speaker 2: was sick as a dog. I'm laying in bed. My
Speaker 2: manager hit me up, was like, Yo, you want to
Speaker 2: work with this new artist Lelana's X. And I'm like
Speaker 2: and he was like, Billy Ray Sorrus, I was like,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, let's go. And I was like he was like,
Speaker 2: they want you to work on this song. And I
Speaker 2: was like, fuck yeah, I'm sick. But when tomorrow, I'm like,
Speaker 2: fuck I'm sick. But I was like, fuck it, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna going to this session. Like some just was like,
Speaker 2: you gotta do this session. And so literally I go
Speaker 2: to the session and they tell me the story about
Speaker 2: this song, how this is how they do Black people
Speaker 2: were so so fucked up. They took Lana's song X song,
Speaker 2: which is old Time Road off the country charts because
Speaker 2: they said it wasn't country, but it's because he was black.
Speaker 2: You are we all know, well it really really what
Speaker 2: it really was, right, So they did this. So now
Speaker 2: Billy Ray's telling me the whole story about what happened
Speaker 2: with Aki Breaky Heart. I didn't know about Achy breaking Heart.
Speaker 2: I just know Billy Ray, Syris from and Molly Cyrus.
Speaker 2: I used to love Hannah Montena and my mama, you know,
Speaker 2: she thinks he a good looking white guy. Used to
Speaker 2: always hear that he's good looking. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that's just one of the things in the house. So boom.
Speaker 2: So he's telling me, you know that the song actually
Speaker 2: was number two. They would not let Achy Breaky Heart
Speaker 2: go to number one, and they took it out the
Speaker 2: country shots too. They did the boy dirty. They did
Speaker 2: them dirty too. So he was like, I felt so bad.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, bro, the game is so crazy.
Speaker 2: So I was just like, it's just like we're like underdogs.
Speaker 2: It was like the underdogs of this shit. And so
Speaker 2: literally I got an opportunity to be a part of
Speaker 2: one of the biggest songs in the world and ever
Speaker 2: bro ever, and then after that, shit just started going
Speaker 2: like it was just I was on them. I was
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 5: Before you go to that. What are the numbers on
Speaker 5: that record at this point? Do you even know?
Speaker 2: God, I don't even know. You see what be the numbers?
Speaker 2: Look at the numbers.
Speaker 5: Numbers absolutely passed. Look at the numbers for me, absolutely pastmad.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's like fifteen times, sixteen times, it's fifteen times.
Speaker 2: It's like fifteen, eighteen or eighteen million. It's crazy. It's
Speaker 2: just crazy.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: That's it's crazy, bro, and like uh Airbnb, just like
Speaker 2: we're constantly getting sinks on it. It's that that that
Speaker 2: that just and I remember I was at Coachella when
Speaker 2: it hit number one, and that ship was when I
Speaker 2: felt like that, when I felt like that nigga, I
Speaker 2: feel like that nigga that I was. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was so crazy coach Schello with a number one,
Speaker 2: like everybody niggas is on your ass. I never felt
Speaker 2: that shit, and I didn't like it. After a minute,
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, not these niggas. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It's just what it is, just what I tell people
Speaker 1: when you hot, bro, enjoy being hot.
Speaker 2: Bro. I realized, see, Bro, I don't really check. I'm
Speaker 2: not a chart checker. I don't care about the charts.
Speaker 2: But now that when I had all time I wrote,
Speaker 2: I realized, like songs really only last like one week
Speaker 2: on number one, and you don't bro, that shit was
Speaker 2: nineteen weeks number one, So like after the third week,
Speaker 2: you're just you're not taking it in. I wasn't processing
Speaker 2: it like it just I like, I wish I could
Speaker 2: have bottled that feeling in because like after the sixteenth
Speaker 2: was like what the fuck is going Like we was
Speaker 2: number one for nineteen weeks. That was the craziest shit
Speaker 2: in the world, and like it made me realize, like, damn,
Speaker 2: pop world is different. The pop world is just a
Speaker 2: different beast. But I was also scared of the pop
Speaker 2: world because I didn't want to be that. I knew
Speaker 2: that I was so much more than that. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to be caught up into Yeah, I didn't want
Speaker 2: that what you said, the one hit Wonder. I was
Speaker 2: scared of being the one wonder. That song was too
Speaker 2: big and for some people, a song can be bigger
Speaker 2: than the person and the artist is like, can't come
Speaker 2: back from it, you know what I'm saying. So and
Speaker 2: then Lemonade came with Don Tollivan Nafy. Yeah, that song
Speaker 2: came and it brought and yeah, yeah, yeah yeah I
Speaker 2: wrote that and literally that hit top ten Billboard charts.
Speaker 2: So it was like hit number two, number five, number five,
Speaker 2: number two, I think.
Speaker 3: And it's funny when you mentioned that song, I hear you,
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 5: I damn it feel like you freestyled that man. It
Speaker 5: was it was life.
Speaker 1: Because the way you sing, I just know the way
Speaker 1: you sing, like you just like not having those barriers,
Speaker 1: no barriers with how you right and how you flow melodically.
Speaker 2: I just be like, yes, bro, no barriers, No what
Speaker 2: you never had, can't bag my bitch, can't miss what
Speaker 2: you never had? Like yeah, but literally that was that
Speaker 2: and then Boom missed the Right Now COVID hit, and
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna have a hit with with
Speaker 2: twenty one Savage and Drake and I missed the Right
Speaker 2: Now with Metro booming Me and my boy tape Ko
Speaker 2: Bang did that, and I was like, this is gonna
Speaker 2: be the biggest song. And then COVID hit and it
Speaker 2: didn't do what it was supposed to do, but culturally
Speaker 2: it was a big song, like that should have been
Speaker 2: on the charts, Like I know that, Like if it
Speaker 2: was no COVID, if Niggas is outside, missed the Right
Speaker 2: Now would have been that joint. And after that everything
Speaker 2: just started going. Then Summer Walker Body, and then then
Speaker 2: it just started going crazy.
Speaker 5: That record, that record, Oh my.
Speaker 2: Gosh, it's so good. Special that jack Quee you, that
Speaker 2: was one of my.
Speaker 5: Favorite Should we go into this story? Should we go
Speaker 5: into this story?
Speaker 2: What story? What talking?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, you don't even know this story. Oh so Jack
Speaker 5: Quees pulls.
Speaker 2: Up on us.
Speaker 3: Word, oh, like just you know, just pull up, just
Speaker 3: came kicked it one time, right, and you know niggas,
Speaker 3: you know, studio ship and.
Speaker 1: You're like, can I play this record for y'all?
Speaker 3: He's like, nigga, yeah, Nick passing the ox. He plays
Speaker 3: that record and the studio stops.
Speaker 5: He plays you. The studio stops, and niggas was.
Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, you know, you know, we've been thinking about.
Speaker 1: I said, thinking, we let that nigga hap it. This
Speaker 1: record smash for you smash. So you call bird Man
Speaker 1: and you tell him this is the single, this is
Speaker 1: the video, nigga. This is your foot in the door, right, nigga,
Speaker 1: this is planet nigga. Nigga, you are here. That record crazy,
Speaker 1: cold bloody incredible. I write records like I rate records,
Speaker 1: like if I'm mad, if I'm mad that I don't
Speaker 1: have the record, if I'm mad that I that I
Speaker 1: didn't produce it.
Speaker 2: I heard that record, I was like, I really went
Speaker 2: through that. That happened to me. Like I wrote that
Speaker 2: song in Miami with London on the ruck and shot.
Speaker 2: I was talking to this girl and Shotty was hell bro,
Speaker 2: and she hit my keys. She hit my keys. So
Speaker 2: like when I say it was two thirty in the morning,
Speaker 2: I got a car, it was literally two thirty in
Speaker 2: the morning. Like London, we work late. In Miami, hit
Speaker 2: hit factory. Niggas work late. He's like, Y'll pull up
Speaker 2: to the studio and I can't find my keys. She
Speaker 2: didn't want me to leave. I'm trying to get up
Speaker 2: out of there, and like she just made it so
Speaker 2: hard for me to go to that session. I was like,
Speaker 2: show that you like fucking my whole vibe. Wrote that
Speaker 2: song because I'd rather be with you and all your bullshit,
Speaker 2: like I'm still with you, like I as soon as
Speaker 2: I got back home col up. So it was just
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying. So that song was
Speaker 2: really about shot Is you know who it is? Every
Speaker 2: time you hear she like this my song, like you crazy?
Speaker 2: Are you happy? You happy that you brought me hell
Speaker 2: all that day?
Speaker 3: Everything about that song is right now to me, Like
Speaker 3: and I've told you this every time I see you,
Speaker 3: how much I love your work.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: That's my favorite song you've written that I've heard.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That means to this day.
Speaker 5: That means a lot of I love that today Alone
Speaker 5: is close. Alone is close.
Speaker 2: Thank you, bro.
Speaker 3: So you know I looked at I looked at my
Speaker 3: what the ship that they send you of, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, the Spotify rapper, Yeah, yeah, your wrap ups.
Speaker 3: You know everybody you know you have it for all
Speaker 3: your Yeah, the platforms that you listen to. That record
Speaker 3: was at the top.
Speaker 1: I love alone.
Speaker 2: I love to hear that.
Speaker 5: I love that record for you. That's my ship you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody goes through that little moment and
Speaker 2: that's what I love. I love writing songs that are personal,
Speaker 2: like personal like you. I just feel like even when
Speaker 2: I write songs for C B, like I love when
Speaker 2: he sings when he's vulnerable.
Speaker 1: I don't he's untouchable, but R and B I want
Speaker 1: him to be. Yeah, I want you to when he singing,
Speaker 1: when he's singing in a vulnerable Paris at the at
Speaker 1: the at the at the show in Paris, and he's
Speaker 1: saying when he sang please don't judge me, and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there like, am I about to cry? I gotta
Speaker 1: relax because when he's in that space, it's over. And
Speaker 1: I'm watching the entire crowd, like that's my son on stage.
Speaker 7: He's just it's hard as good, as hard as good
Speaker 7: as you know.
Speaker 2: No really talk. And that's why, like John Cuez was
Speaker 2: it was such a perfect song film because it's like
Speaker 2: you're you're being vulnerable, bro, like you're not trying to
Speaker 2: say fuck these holes, none of this.
Speaker 1: It's just like literally to me, that song established him
Speaker 1: as a true R and B artist. Thank you. That
Speaker 1: means a lot, like and it's everything I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's those things where everything happens at the right time,
Speaker 1: you writing the melody is all these things. But then
Speaker 1: his delivery. He sounds impeccable on that record. He sounds
Speaker 1: amazing on that record. I said, yeah, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: exactly who you think you are. Damn Now he's torn
Speaker 1: all over the place. And for me, I feel like
Speaker 1: the foundation is that record. Foundation is that record because
Speaker 1: because late at night, okay, where you are what you're
Speaker 1: doing that one right there?
Speaker 2: You know, it'd be so crazy to me. Like that's
Speaker 2: why I feel like it's sometimes we need to have
Speaker 2: like oh cheese or like people around us who talk
Speaker 2: to be like, yo, you need to get back in
Speaker 2: the studio. With John Zy you and we need to
Speaker 2: get back you know, somebody who's in our ears to
Speaker 2: make that situation happen, because there was no way that
Speaker 2: we just did you just do one, We just do one.
Speaker 2: And I always say that to him. I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: no way you could have used me anytime you want.
Speaker 2: I'm here. I've always extended myself to them, and like, yo,
Speaker 2: use me, just don't misuse me. Use me though, I'm
Speaker 2: here to be used, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And like it's just so crazy because like that's what
Speaker 2: this industry is. It's a it's a service industry where
Speaker 2: we work, you make the hits. And the fact that
Speaker 2: we only caught lightning one time and that was the
Speaker 2: only time you work, it is so crazy that we
Speaker 2: should have definitely.
Speaker 1: Definitely got to give definitely come on, two, three more,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you gotta do it. He sent me
Speaker 1: something to get on that I'm about to get on,
Speaker 1: and when I send it back, I'm saying, also, JOSSI
Speaker 1: said we gotta get back in, and we said catch
Speaker 1: lightning again.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's when you're really really good when you just
Speaker 1: make shoot they do a hook and sound good. Like,
Speaker 1: now you just cheating. Now you now you're being disrespectful.
Speaker 1: You trying to get sucked up because everybody can't do that.
Speaker 2: Everybody can't do it, all right, what the people have
Speaker 2: been waiting for?
Speaker 1: People have been waiting for. In your journeys, you're studying
Speaker 1: this music thing. I know you've come across to some
Speaker 1: artists that have influenced you in a way. They become
Speaker 1: your top five, your top five mm hm, top five? Hey,
Speaker 1: your top five?
Speaker 4: Ay he singer already be song I know you're young,
Speaker 4: but I know you know because I know your show
Speaker 4: and your god and tell us ya.
Speaker 1: Yes, rapp.
Speaker 2: Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: Josey's tip. Fuck, I agree.
Speaker 1: We got to get this nigga better, piano man ship,
Speaker 1: don't change this, don't.
Speaker 2: Change for nobody that nigga should have clapped in the back.
Speaker 1: And my god, sexual chocolate, Josie. Your top five R
Speaker 1: and B singers, That is tough.
Speaker 2: That is tough. I thought you're gonna ask me the songwriters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm just no, we'll get that.
Speaker 2: Alright. One twelve, I'm Carl Thomas. I'm sorry. Carl Thomas
Speaker 2: is my that's know, Carl Thomas is I should get
Speaker 2: himatted somewhere on me. I have like a thing of
Speaker 2: like all of my favorite and I really would love
Speaker 2: to get Carl Thomas tatted on me somewhere because he's
Speaker 2: he's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: That's my god. I'm gonna go ah.
Speaker 2: His voice just cuts through too good, and I just
Speaker 2: love that her tonality. And I mean, what you was doing,
Speaker 2: she's so bad.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna look at the nigga.
Speaker 1: I was with Jamie Fox. I was with Jamie Fox
Speaker 1: as a background singers.
Speaker 3: Afterwards, the background and that list, I'm saying, if I'm
Speaker 3: talking to shout a little bank, ain't no bank.
Speaker 1: I was broke. He wasn't. I don't have the right words.
Speaker 1: He wasn't money with Jamie Fox was in there the
Speaker 1: Oscar Winner. He soaked up the room.
Speaker 5: That's even more.
Speaker 3: I knocked shot forgot that the conversation, right, yeah, you
Speaker 3: know he was at this little thing, right, I knocked shot.
Speaker 1: Jamie was there too. He tried and I knocked it,
Speaker 1: and I was well, I was at know what to say,
Speaker 1: but I said, Hi, he's supposed to be from the
Speaker 1: mid West. Listen, man, how was.
Speaker 2: The energy when you said that?
Speaker 1: She floated in Marvin gay you Better do it and
Speaker 1: only you better do it.
Speaker 2: I hate to yeah, not Marvin gay Bro, like I
Speaker 2: don't here. My Dear is my favorite album of Marvin
Speaker 2: Gaye's and only because I loved like my pop used
Speaker 2: to always tell me the story.
Speaker 5: The story behind it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just gonna have to go with what I
Speaker 2: listened to all the time, and it's Stevie Wonder. I'm sorry, Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry no, but only because because because like I know,
Speaker 2: people probably expect me to say something else like, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they know you, they get it.
Speaker 2: Stevie Bro.
Speaker 1: Your Top five R and B songs, M.
Speaker 2: God, damn oh ain't supposed to be easy. Top five
Speaker 2: R and B song Number five Curtis may Feel Sweet Exorcists,
Speaker 2: I think has to be what I'm the only one
Speaker 2: you need. Oh you have to mean you had me?
Speaker 7: Uh uh?
Speaker 1: Mary J.
Speaker 2: Blige, I gave you my hunt to you. I love
Speaker 2: that song. Number five, Number three Carl Thomas, I wish Sorry,
Speaker 2: I gotta go there. Number two Stevie Wonder. Rocket Love
Speaker 2: mm hmm, sorry that rocket love is crazy. It's between
Speaker 2: rocket love or visions. Visions is cold. I love Visions
Speaker 2: two though, but and my number one song, Damn don'g
Speaker 2: I yo, my number one song. This is tough because
Speaker 2: you can't. I feel like I'm disrespecting my people that
Speaker 2: I love because I have so many grace like songs.
Speaker 2: But I have to go. Can I can I do
Speaker 2: like a one? Like a one a at one point?
Speaker 1: Will let you do that?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 1: Let your top.
Speaker 2: Oestly brothers. Let me down easy? It's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite R and B songs. Let Me down Easy? Is
Speaker 2: I play that ship like on my my wrap up.
Speaker 2: I was laughing like because it plays in the background.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn oh that nigga dollars like that
Speaker 2: ship was funny thog. But like, I just love old school.
Speaker 2: I love some music like that. So let me down easy?
Speaker 2: And probably can I say R Kelly?
Speaker 7: You can say whatever you want to say, yeah, podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, r r R Kelly. I can't breathe.
Speaker 1: What else? You got? What you got for? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no neggs. Hey, ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: A saying no names?
Speaker 6: Weird?
Speaker 2: What you did?
Speaker 1: Don't say? I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 2: Hey, I got too many stories?
Speaker 5: Hey, come on come on, come on. Yeah, yeah, so listen,
Speaker 5: so listen, listen.
Speaker 3: You here you are at the R and B Money podcast,
Speaker 3: and we are at that section, were at that segment
Speaker 3: of the show, so obviously you know you watched it.
Speaker 5: You watched the podcast.
Speaker 2: Definitely, no no, this is saying no names.
Speaker 3: Segment of the show. Will you tell us your story
Speaker 3: funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? In
Speaker 3: the Travels in the Journey of Jossey.
Speaker 2: No names.
Speaker 5: That's the only rules of the game, and no other
Speaker 5: rules of the game. Just don't say no names.
Speaker 2: Boy, I got so many stories.
Speaker 5: What a couple of niggas told us two or three.
Speaker 2: I'ma give you one. I gotta give you the best way.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they think of this. When I
Speaker 2: was driving, like, uh so I want to tell this story.
Speaker 2: Fuck it so literally. It was this producer. I was
Speaker 2: working with, a big producer. Uh he was in Miami
Speaker 2: and I don't know why he had. We was working
Speaker 2: and he he just felt obligated to tell me that
Speaker 2: he didn't like his girl messing with girls. And he
Speaker 2: was like, I don't like. He was like, I don't like,
Speaker 2: I don't like gay girls around my girl and ship like.
Speaker 1: I was like, who all right?
Speaker 2: So now I'm this is my first time meeting this nigga,
Speaker 2: like working with him. So I'm like, now I'm scared
Speaker 2: because I'm like gay girl. I'm like, yo, not not
Speaker 2: scared in the sist like he gonna but I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want him to feel like I
Speaker 2: don't even want this nigga to feel like I'm trying
Speaker 2: to talk to his girl. Shit boom, here we go.
Speaker 5: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: I walked out, get in the studio. We walk in
Speaker 2: the room and we outside like playing ball, and he's
Speaker 2: telling me this shit, and like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think he's preparing me for when his girl comes.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing, but I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is so weird. This is a weird conversation. So getting
Speaker 2: the studio and his girl come in girl bad. I
Speaker 2: remember this shit, and I was just trying to stay
Speaker 2: far away from her because the whole time I'm in
Speaker 2: my head, I heard this nigga say, yeah, like I
Speaker 2: just don't like my girl when she like that's he's
Speaker 2: kind of gifsty, And you know most niggas is really
Speaker 2: cool with like girls on girls and all that shit.
Speaker 2: But I don't. I just think he just he just
Speaker 2: let me know right there his insecurity. It was crazy,
Speaker 2: so cool. I'm like, literally, I'm on the other side
Speaker 2: of the tap for some reason, this girl is just
Speaker 2: wants to talk to me. No I'm talking about, wants
Speaker 2: to have a conversation. And I'm like yeah, yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 2: And like I'm back in my phone and like she's
Speaker 2: like he's making the beat and I can just tell
Speaker 2: he's paying attention, like side, and I'm just so scared.
Speaker 2: She's like come here. It's like I'm over there, so
Speaker 2: I sit. But like that moment, she was trying it,
Speaker 2: and I was just thinking of myself, Yo, this girl
Speaker 2: either this girl is not his girl, and he's just
Speaker 2: like yo, I'm trying to get her, so don't touch her.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We already know what she I already know what she's own.
Speaker 2: So bro, the whole session. Bro, I'm telling you, I've
Speaker 2: never been so and that was like my first like
Speaker 2: that was like a crazy yeah bro, yeah, So it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a crazy moment and literally the yeah, I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna talk about what else happened, But yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: It was just the girl.
Speaker 5: She was on it.
Speaker 2: She was on it, bro, And so now I get it,
Speaker 2: but like I don't. He didn't say anything, but I remember,
Speaker 2: it's just that moment, and if I told you the
Speaker 2: producer was it, you'd be like, oh word, it was
Speaker 2: just crazy, Like mm hm.
Speaker 1: The question you don't have to answer. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that I'm not gonna did she.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she definitely did. Yeah, Nah, she definitely. I didn't
Speaker 2: do nothing with it. No, No, not at all. No,
Speaker 2: Like definitely. I don't mess with niggas girls. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck if I see you with her. Nah.
Speaker 1: And that was just a moral judgment calling your partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not about to no, because like this industry
Speaker 2: is so small and niggas do that, and niggas really
Speaker 2: love that ship. I on the other hand, I'm very
Speaker 2: big on like I respect whatever that ship whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then to her it may not be that serial,
Speaker 2: but to him it's serious or to her it's serious,
Speaker 2: and to him it's not that serious. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I don't play with that. But I
Speaker 2: just now I get, like I was like, oh, Shoty
Speaker 2: was like choosing up and he just but no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't know there's too many that's crazy. No, it
Speaker 2: was it was like I don't want I don't want
Speaker 2: to like, don't even want to sit. I don't even
Speaker 2: want to talk to you for a long time. But
Speaker 2: you know what I told myself, No nigga ever made
Speaker 2: me feel like that again in a session, Like I
Speaker 2: learned from that, like if you insecure, nigga, that show problem.
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna give me out of my zone
Speaker 2: to talk to nobody in the room because I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not coming with no ill intentions, Like I wasn't
Speaker 2: coming on. But I was really scared to even talk
Speaker 2: to the girl. But but that's that just show you
Speaker 2: I was young and I was green to like the energies,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, But like like now I'm
Speaker 2: like walking to my truth and then and you just
Speaker 2: got to understand I ain't on that tight time, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But yeah, that was crazy, bro.
Speaker 2: That ship was such a I was sweating, like, Yo,
Speaker 2: this nigga gonna really not fun with me.
Speaker 1: Came out the gate with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out the gate like he was like he was
Speaker 2: warming me upon.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Was no.
Speaker 2: It was so crazy, like the insecurity of this dude.
Speaker 2: And I'll be seeing him to this day and I
Speaker 2: always remember that session.
Speaker 1: My girl gonna see her and go crazy. I gotta
Speaker 1: this in the bud early, Yo. That's sad because he
Speaker 1: knew you had it on you.
Speaker 2: It was crazy and I wasn't even like that then.
Speaker 7: That was crazy.
Speaker 1: But Jose listen, man, man, I heard that heard we
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1: The only rule is you must keep going. See that
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