1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: advice to many occasions. In incase you didn't notice, I'm 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: not broke. You know, he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: and industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: It's what he likes to share. Now it's time to 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money making Conversations. Here 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: we come. Awesome, Welcome to money making Conversation. I'm your host, 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the shall 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: turn her back on entertainment tonight. After being away six 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: months remotely, I've been watching y'all on that small screen. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Is the number one entertainment news magazine or television really 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: the world four million viewers daily and the show won 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: his fifth Emmy Award this year. Kevin to Share on 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: the show discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow, 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: please working money Making Conversations. My man Kevin Fraser, my girl, 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: the Shell Turn. What's going on? Well, you know, it's 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas, 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Heart it was just it was it was like it 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: was something new. Now everybody is doing some form, especially 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: with social media, some form of entertainment. And then to see, 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, let's be honest to African American leads on 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: this show that plays a significant role on how we 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: look at television and say you're telling people of color 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: talk about that, Well, I was gonna say that. You know, 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: each and every day it is kind of a privilege 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: to you look across and you look at that person 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, we get it. And as you 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: can see, like we're spending an ordinate amount of time 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: together even when we're not on camera. I mean, this 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: is right next do ourselves through the wall. And Michelle 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: is also a crazy amazing cook, so she usually brings 36 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: in food. But you know it is I feel so 37 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: blessed and lucky to be able to look over and 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: see someone who I can identify with so much, and 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: also someone who has no problem keep me in check. 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Same here, same here, because we battle, we battle behind 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the scenes, but it's all like to lift one another 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: up and to have each other raise our games. Because 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, Rashana, I mean you do 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: see two people of color, you know, on this show, 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: and as you said, like the leads of this show, 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin officially is the host. I just kind 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: of try to ride his coattails sometimes, but but make 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: no mistake about it, like we get the weight that 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: that is and as blessed as we are to be 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: doing it, I mean, there's a weight to represent um. 51 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: Because you know, like people always say, if if a 52 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: kid can't see it, they can't believe it. So the 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: fact that it's Kevin and myself every single day a 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks, 55 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: like what they can be and what they can aspire to, 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean it means the world to me. The world Kevin. 57 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Kevin just got to see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: goes and walks to the smoothie shop herself, you shape 59 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: that way, so it's all good and smolks bringing him 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this is 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: he is the host as you say it. You said 62 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: that earlier, so he's representing and she got jokes around here. 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: We'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there, 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: that is true. Get you know it's serious, Rashan when 65 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: he says, can I just tell you something? So if 66 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: he says that within this interview, you know you're about 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: to get some kind of man's playing craziness going on there. 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: It is there, It is what with the pandemic, ya 69 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: changing the whole landscape because nobody was ready for that. 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: I thought maybe a month. You know, I'm an entrepreneur, 71 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, I said, my staff, they we've been zooming 72 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: still and I purchased the building in Atlanta, but I'm 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: I'm getting the COVID safe, so i bring my staff 74 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: back in. So it's that whole mentality. How you look 75 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: at it. Even though you guys wore a studio show, 76 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: how did it really Because when you went to the 77 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: small screen trying to make it interesting, trying to get 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: the celebrities to come on with you, Kevin, how did 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable part 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: of that? It was a lot because you're at home 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show, 82 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: of course with your family walking around. Like my children 83 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and 84 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: then they were just like, man, I gotta leave the 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: room again. And so it became a whole thing of 86 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody be quiet. 87 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: But it was kind of cool because I think with celebrities, 88 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: and I mean with the shell too, because here's the 89 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: crazy she had a home. It was just about saying 90 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Michelle was homeless when this first happened because her home 91 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: was being finished. She just built the new house, so 92 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: she was homeless. I was living in a hotel for 93 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: the first two months and then finally moved into her house. 94 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: But it was a new house so it wasn't really 95 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: all set up, so getting it all set up and 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: everything ready was a real challenge for her. I carry 97 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: around in a crazy amount of technology with me at 98 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: all times, so I had cameras and stuff that I 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: couldn't wait to use and justify using. But I think 100 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: it was also cool because you gotta look inside our lives. 101 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: I think you gotta look inside in the shells lives life, 102 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: like oh, you're at home, oh you're Oh, that's what's 103 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: behind you. Oh, that's what your living room, that's what's 104 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: in your office. Yeah. I think that it actually UM 105 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: let celebrities guards down a little bit being at home. 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: And I think that we've done some of the best work, 107 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: best interviews that we've ever done during this pandemic because 108 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: I felt like it was easier for me to just 109 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: be calm, sational, just like we're all. It kind of 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: levels the playing field a little bit because like we're 111 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: all sitting in our living room on a bad you know, 112 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: WiFi connection, UM just all trying to make it work, 113 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and so it kind of levels the playing field. So 114 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: you come into it a little bit differently than you 115 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: do when you're you know, going into a hotel sitting 116 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: down together or fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing 117 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: my slippers, honey, and the FedEx man might come knock 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: on the door, so I'm just warning you ahead of right, 119 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: And that happened lots of times. So I thought I 120 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: think that it actually um was a help to us, 121 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: and I think that it helped my interviewing style a 122 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: lot because I just became much more I think that 123 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: that's who you are naturally, you're it shows are very 124 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna talk to you, and I'm gonna talk 125 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: to you very straight. I'm not cutting anything like I'm 126 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: a massager, and she's like a get right to the fact. 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: Part of that is, you know her news that she 128 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: still works for CNN, so Michelle is still like cutting 129 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: edge journalists, so you sill see her on CNN and 130 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: Entertainment tonight. But I feel like, you know, Kevin, Kevin 131 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: is like I always tell him there, um, I don't 132 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: know anybody in this world whose hustle is harder than 133 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: this one right here, And like when he's on his game, 134 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host in the business. 135 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: And don't ever tell anybody I said that one moment 136 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: thing she's just saying that never got here. It again, 137 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: he's the best entertainment host in this business. We know. 138 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year 139 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: has been so crazy with entertainment. You had the pandemic 140 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: and then you had the civil unrest, and and that's 141 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: why that's why the interview was interesting for me to 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: be a part of and talk to you about, because 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: you guys played it out right in front of us. 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: You saw the pandemic hit, and then you all the 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors, Broadway shut down, 146 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot 147 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm 148 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: like Chell, You have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active, 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your 150 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic you're 151 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: that professional guy you know, lead your personality. So but still, 152 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: how did when when the walkway through these steps, the 153 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: pandemic hit, then George Floyd and where were you guys 154 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: that emotionally, I was still doing your job. I'm not 155 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: even gonna lie. I was broken. It was, it was, 156 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: it was and still is tough. I mean, you know, 157 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: we're we're taught and I don't know if you felt 158 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: this way keV Um because he is unflappable in a 159 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists, 160 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: and we're both journalists to be right down the middle. 161 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to be You want to 162 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: appear unbiased, you want to just give the facts. But 163 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: when a situation like what happened this summer with the 164 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George I'm 165 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder 166 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that in 167 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: mo are very you know, the rise up again with 168 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, so many things. UM, if we acted like 169 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars. 170 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, we are black folks first and foremost. And 171 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 1: I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism 172 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: and then and and and inequality also in the workplace. 173 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: That it gave me UM an opportunity to have a 174 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken 175 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: out about things. So for me, I did a lot 176 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with 177 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning 178 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: of things. I was doing an interview about her decision 179 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: to step up and start uh oro testing and start 180 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: really using her voice in her platform. And I broke 181 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: down crying in the middle of the interview. And it 182 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: just because I couldn't, you know, it was I couldn't 183 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: do it anymore because I couldn't keep it together, and 184 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: here's what you have to understand about the whole situation. 185 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: Months before that, a few months before that, Michelle went 186 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: to do an interview UM with Oprah and Michael Jordan 187 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: and Michael B. Jordan's the Netflix building and as she 188 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: came out, UM, she had this beautiful convertible and these 189 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: guys cut her off, and you know, she honked at him, 190 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: and when they came to stop, like one of the 191 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: guys got out, called her and word spit on her 192 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: and then drove off. And so tensions were already high 193 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: here because when she came back, we was like, let's 194 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: go find these you know, your first reaction is like, well, 195 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: let's go out that night. So what happened and I 196 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: was like, where are you? Let's go find these dudes 197 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: and let's go get them, you know, because that's your 198 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: natural reaction. But then you know you have to calm down. 199 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: But what settles in on you is the heaviness of 200 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: what happened and what occurred because you have someone who 201 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: is at the highest point of her career, someone who 202 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: is a professional, who is beautiful, who has done all 203 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: these things and all these accomplishments, and you still can't 204 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: escape the fact that you get into your car, you're 205 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down and 206 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: spits on you and calls you to m worst and 207 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: didn't try and you know, it reduces you to a 208 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: certain place that you never want to think it can, 209 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: but it does. And so like through that, I mean, 210 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and 211 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful 212 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: and we're both blessed for it. But we also do 213 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the 214 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: scenes of really trying to make a difference in our 215 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: little point, you know, corner of the world, to make 216 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like, 217 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: the coverage that we do, the content that you see 218 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: on TV, those are you know, things that we work 219 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know, 220 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: it's on and people don't see that. A lot of 221 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: times I had some people saying to me, well, what 222 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all, 223 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: don't ever please, don't please. I'm good. But you know 224 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: I said that to Kevin today. I want my respect. 225 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: It was my lebron moment. But um, but no, like 226 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: so it's still every day, you know, Rashawna. It's a 227 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's a battle 228 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: that both of us and talking to each other say 229 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it. 230 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here, 231 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: so we kind of all take direction for him. And 232 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he 233 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: just did you know, is we talk each other off 234 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: the edge. So that's good. That's good, I will tell you. 235 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Because of the heaviness of what had happened before when 236 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: this happened, when the Georgia Floyd thing happened, we were 237 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: just like, whoa, this is crazy because it's just it 238 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: was so much and we were at home and so 239 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: we were separated, so we didn't have each other to 240 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: kind of sit down and talk to each other. And 241 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where she's from. 242 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: That was you know, there's that other thing like badass 243 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: attorney who is like the locust woman on the planet. 244 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: So I know Kevin was here and I was like, oh, 245 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: it's forty years forty anniversary coming up. Emmy Award winning 246 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: couple here them talking to what time Emmy award winning 247 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: over here? Now I'm taking my flowers, okay for you 248 00:13:51,880 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: got me two time ward two times? I know it, 249 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: I know it, I know it. You're listening to money 250 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: making conversations with Rashan McDonald, will be right back. 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That's carshil 270 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Code money, A deductible may apply. Welcome back 271 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: to money making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. You 272 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: know the beauty of Like I said earlier, I started 273 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: the show Mary Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going. 274 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: And then then Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started 275 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: dropping in periodically, you know, and then it became a regular. 276 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know he was a regular kind of regular, 277 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: but I saw him a lot. And then I guess 278 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys about entertainment that is so important, 279 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: that iconic music when he started do you know? You know? 280 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: And Kevin, I gotta tell you man a lot of times. 281 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: You just being a representative of us is so just 282 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me. And 283 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: then the share when you came on for entertainment tonight 284 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: that allowed me to see two you guys attractive boss 285 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: for articulate and still the show's ratings maintained status still 286 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: as a global presence. I just want to let you 287 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: know that just keep doing your job, because your job 288 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: enables me to do my job, and that is all 289 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: we wanna do. Is I've been when the George Floord 290 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: thing happened. A lot of my white friends called me 291 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and they said, is it really like that? I said yeah. 292 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: I always said I had never heard from so many 293 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: of my white friends that's me. Is it really like that? 294 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I said yeah. It said, how do you do it? 295 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: I said, That's just part of the process, you know, 296 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: I said, you you get up, you deal with it. 297 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not, 298 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: I said, but that's part of life. And when I 299 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: see the Black lives matters and I see white people 300 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: walking that and that's important to me, And that's important. 301 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: When I see you guys interviewing and doing your job 302 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: and interviewing white people is important to me. This is 303 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: not BT. I'm seeing you guys on, This is not 304 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: this is not TV one. You guys owned the global presence, 305 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: and when you're distributing in information and then I see 306 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: the Emmies this year being played out and seeing all 307 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: these African American talent being talk about that reaction to 308 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: the Emmys and the way it was done. It was 309 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: produced by my man, Original Hudling. You know what was 310 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: interesting about it is your your home, and it's it's 311 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual. And so we're like, 312 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: I don't know, and so you're sitting there and you're looking. 313 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: We had a zoom with everybody that we work with, 314 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: and we're looking at what we want are I was 315 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: looking at all the people and so as you look 316 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: at all the people, you think about their families, their kids, 317 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: their houses, what they are doing, and and what it 318 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: takes for them just to survive, and how important this 319 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: moment is because us, this is something for everybody. So 320 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: when we want our Emmy, it was like it was 321 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: incredible because I felt so proud for those people, those 322 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: people that never you never see. I thought it was 323 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to, you know, 324 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: give us our Emmy. So that was that was really 325 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: really great. But John, I think you you were also 326 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: talking about and this is important. This is these are 327 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: conversations that Kevin and I have often about having to 328 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: be the most well rounded people in the building. Um, 329 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: we have to be you know, there's the saying you 330 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good. 331 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: But we have to be so well rounded because you 332 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: you can't just be focused on quote unquote the black 333 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: celebrities or the black people or whatever like we do, 334 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: and you have to build relationships with everybody, which can 335 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: be tough. It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me, 336 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: because people don't know all the times I'm I'm as 337 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: country as country can be. Like I grew up on putry. 338 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: Are you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So? 339 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all 340 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: don't understand. Like she could probably drive a tractor, she 341 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: could drive her car. Love driving a tractor. Knows country music, 342 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: So it always cracks me up when you walk down 343 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: on the set and she'll play some old school country 344 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: music on the it's just and it catches people by surprise. 345 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: I love watching people's reaction when she starts singing old 346 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: school country music and they're like, you know that George 347 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: straight now by the way he stopped loving her Today 348 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: is one of the best songs ever. It's so beautiful. 349 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: I wish some man would love me to day die 350 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: like that shot. I listen to you quote sad sad, 351 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's like, um, it just goes 352 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: to show you. And I think that we've been a 353 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: good representation of that because Kevin's like this techy, weirdo guy, 354 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: you know. I this black girl who loves country music, 355 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: who like you know, and and and hair bands like 356 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: from the eighties. I love bon Jovi, that kind of stuff. 357 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: But I love you know, I just love it all. 358 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: But I think that we're a good representation of how 359 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: black folks are not a monolith, you know what I'm saying, 360 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: and how Um, I think that we've gone a long 361 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: way to teach the people here that you can't judge 362 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: a book by its cover, because for a lot of 363 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: times you did like oh you, which sometimes feel like 364 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: my black people go into the black stories or whatever. 365 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: But now there's much more of a broad thinking because 366 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Michelle has a relationship with Tricia Yearwood 367 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: because that's what she likes, or you know, Kevin Fraser 368 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl, Like you know what I'm saying. 369 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: So those things, I think you go a long way, 370 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: um to changing stereotypes and you know what I'm saying, 371 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: and just showing people that we can do all things 372 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: and we can be all things. And um, it's just 373 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: the same as if I was a blondhaired white woman. 374 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, people can take to me the same way, 375 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: so and and and as advice because I want people 376 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: to hear what she's saying. We can do insecure. I 377 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: can go see Kevin Hart. You just sat with Kevin Hart, 378 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: so that The Crown is actually my favorite show. But 379 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: The Crown, you know what I mean. And so you 380 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: can't you can't come up in here thinking well, I'm 381 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: gonna do what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and 382 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: so you have to be well. And that's why I 383 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: wanted to say. That's why it was important that you 384 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: heard me when I said, I'm not watching B E T. 385 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm not watching TV on. I'm watching iconic individuals who 386 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: are carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's 387 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: the key. Relatable. But we look at this industry, you know, 388 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: we thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie 389 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: theaters under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I 390 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: was interviewed to be from Last Game, they're nervous. They 391 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: don't know if the movies are gonna be ready and 392 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground. 393 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry 394 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: has shown us he can shoot a movie. He can 395 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: shoot Twitter by episodes in two weeks man on the planet. 396 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: People stop sleeping on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest 397 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: man on the planet. You know. It's um, I'm not 398 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna like like what I miss most. I'm a movie head. 399 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: I miss going to the movies more than anything like 400 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: that was my I would go Saturday morning the very 401 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: first movie at Being there by myself just is the 402 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen. 403 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest, 404 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I 405 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but 406 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are 407 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I 408 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: think that this time for movie makers is going to 409 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand, 410 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: they get cut of what they're doing, so you will 411 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: see these people are making movies and stuff like that. 412 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them 413 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios 414 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's 415 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million 416 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith, 417 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and 418 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: now you can make a movie like, for instance, the 419 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: movie that he's making right now about um uh little 420 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a 421 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: movie right now. They just left to make a movie 422 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: now and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money 423 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: for an insane amount of money. So you're taking out 424 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: the the kind of equation where you have to hope 425 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: people go to the movies. These people are paying a 426 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: lot of money up front, or you can make your 427 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: money on video demand and people will sit at home. 428 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: I watched Annabellum the second it hit Video of the Man. 429 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: It probably would have taken me a week or two 430 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: to get there. Yeah. You interesting is that what Netflix 431 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: has done for me as far as black product is 432 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: that it premieres internationally. You know, when he premieres on Netflix, 433 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in amazing because 434 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black doesn't 435 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling like crazy. 436 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler Perry in 437 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views, shocked 438 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: the world. And then we went into the Pandemic and 439 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: it opened up, and the Five Bloods and all these 440 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: Jamie Fox movie they just came out was incredible. Can 441 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: just say, Delroy Lindo handed himself the Oscar? Come on, 442 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: come on, where he's cutting down the banana leaves? He 443 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 1: handed himself the Oscar. And if he does not get it, 444 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: y'all about to see me out here protesting beated. He 445 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: gotta get nominated. He gotta get nominate. I told dar Roy, 446 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: I said he's got he will be nominated. I mean, 447 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: he gotta get nominated. I know you don't the same 448 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: page with dear Orlando. He should get an Oscar nomination. 449 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: He should win an Oscar for that, solely based on 450 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: that one scene. They ripped him off from Malcolm X. 451 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: He never got his due with Malcolm. They owe him 452 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: one from Malcolm X. But this is not even a 453 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: makeup because he's brilliant. Movie. But I'm saying, well, I 454 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: get you, I get you. But he this isn't a makeup. 455 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: This isn't like the Denzel makeup because he should have 456 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: won the Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't 457 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: a makeup, Delroyd. There has not been a better performance 458 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: this year by a male in a movie, yes the movie, right, okay, okay, 459 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: has not a male in a movie than him in 460 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: The Five Bloods. What interesting thing about it is that 461 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: Mulan it went straight to Disney Busness and I told 462 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: us how much money they've made so far, at least 463 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: I've been looking. They've not told anybody how many millions 464 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: they made, charging people thirty dollars. It's been rumored that 465 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: if they get ten percent of their of their um 466 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: eighty million subscribers, then they can considerately go anywhere from 467 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars up. Like you said, Kevin, that's profit. 468 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: Oh they made They made the money because everybody watch 469 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: it on the first week it finally opened in China, 470 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: which is their market that they needed to open in. Right, 471 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: Bulan is showing you that like if you keep it 472 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: inside your streaming service and it makes it worth it. 473 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: Now for these streaming services to spend that kind of money, 474 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: they looked at and they said, oh, so we can 475 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: spend this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and 476 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: people will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon, 477 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well, 478 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with 479 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going 480 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will 481 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only 482 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are 483 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: there is a large community, a large part of the 484 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: community who isn't who doesn't have access to the Internet 485 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters 486 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: to see that movie. But I will say this that 487 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it 488 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown 489 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: our whole life, and then all of a sudden, you 490 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: watch the big chill and and they're everybody's like, everybody's like, 491 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, we love we need some Motown music 492 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing 493 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening 494 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: to all my life. So I think that it will 495 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: once again bring that music that you love so much, 496 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: and you'll give the kids something to watch and people 497 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: will watch it over and over again. If you have 498 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: a young kid as a parent, you already own Disney 499 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: Plus because you're like, I can't have you sitting by 500 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: the TV enough right now. I think it'll go now, Michelle, 501 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: you said that your favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now. 502 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: In season four, I got a sneak peek. My favorite 503 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: show is Yellowstone. Okay, you know you know I'll be 504 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: telling telling my black friends, come on board, Come on board. 505 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: This is the show. Yellowstone is like a Western. Kevin 506 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: Costner is brilliant, the whole cast is crazy. The season 507 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: finale was a monster. I can't wait till next summer. 508 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm mad. I don't get us, I don't get a 509 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: sneak preview and Kevin, I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner, 510 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: even though he is a superstar, I still think he's underrated. 511 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: I think people give him the love he deserves with 512 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: you underrated series is it's it's incredible to see. That's 513 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: where I love streaming services because it provides those unique 514 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: level of programming that we would normally get. And that 515 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: is a jewel, That is a gym. Is that sitting 516 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: out there to wait? So any other shows before we 517 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: wrap that up? You feel a flying under the radar 518 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: that people need to know about, did you guys? Let 519 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: me let me just say this. Let me just say 520 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: it's okay. My problem is reality television and I like 521 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: trashy reality fiance nine other way. I don't do that. 522 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't do those is crazy. Oh my god, it's 523 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: a great show on the planet. I can't get it. 524 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I can sit down and they'll get me 525 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: caught in a loop and then I host Married at 526 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: First Sight all that because I love that. I mean, 527 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: I can't. I just it's the whole experiment of it all. 528 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: I can't get enough. But I think that if if 529 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: I had to say a scripted series that I love 530 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: the most, it's Insecure because that's the neighborhood I live in, 531 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: So it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius. 532 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: She's a genius, and it's just it. Yeah she does 533 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: and what she does though, it just it doesn't me 534 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: off because she know just how much to give us 535 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: and then take it away and was sitting here like 536 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: killing me, killing me. This last season was brilliant, like yes, 537 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe 538 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: one a for me right now? I mean, And because 539 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: the season of the Crown is Charles and Diana and 540 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: all that drama. Just I can't I can't wait for that. 541 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited about Early and I can't wait for the Crown. 542 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: It's just it's so amazing. Um, there was a show 543 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: ex on Hulu. Did this show Mrs America that you 544 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: can go find on streaming? That is great. Banana is good. 545 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: Banana is good, and it's all about the women's liberation 546 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: movement and all the power players within that movement. It, 547 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it blew me away. And I came to 548 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: the party late. Um, I came to Watchman later, but 549 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: I forgot about That's what I mean. People got about 550 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: Shirley Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina, Regina is can 551 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: we say, yeah, I'm doing my team, So I apologize, 552 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: but I want to say this and the other thing 553 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: that I have been telling everybody to watch is go 554 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: back and watch Reconstruction. Um it is a PBS Yes, 555 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: I did. And you need to understand what happened in 556 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: the United States because as we look at this moment 557 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: right now, a lot of people don't understand that there 558 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: was an opportunity to make this right and that we 559 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: as a nation said no and instead went down a 560 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: very different course pat us to Jim Crow and segregation 561 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: instead of going down a course where we could have 562 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: shared power. And there was shared power for a couple 563 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: of years and then everything went away. So I think 564 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they can understand what 565 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: they took from people. And you can watch that PBS 566 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: documentary is I just recently watched it, like a couple 567 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: of months ago. It's so, so very good. But I'm like, 568 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh, she cool. 569 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: Let me just say this one. I want to say 570 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: this right now, that it is offered to give me 571 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: money to cook for him every day, I have her cook. 572 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: I just said, Michelle, will you cook every day and 573 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: bring in the food and I'll just eat it. Here. 574 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Her gumbo and her at to fe is off the chain. 575 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: She can make keto healthy candy and desserts. I'm just saying, 576 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: what if. Here's what I was gonna say. I'm talking about, 577 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: is the best show on television? Well it's on streaming 578 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: right now, but is the Great British Bake Off? It's 579 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: on Netflix and it is the best show on television. 580 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: Chef's Table? Yeah, incredible. Yeah that Rodney Scott interview and 581 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: TUTSI interview. Can I go? Can I go? Find? I 582 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: just want to sit at Totis table and you and like, 583 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: please please please eight team. It's been thirty minutes and 584 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: we're still talking. It's been thirty minutes and uh, the 585 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: great part about this Who relationship. We could continue talking, 586 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: but I I I can't let you go, ras Sean. 587 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. And by the way, I know 588 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: what you and Steve and A are doing. Y'all doing 589 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: big things behind the scenes. You know stuff coming, it's coming, 590 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: it's coming, and I'm going to recognize that. It was 591 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: a lot to be able to recognize game. I know, 592 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know what 593 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well you know, 594 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: just aside, no man, my life is in such an 595 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: amazing place. And uh, I've just purchased a building in 596 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta and just uh you know, my staff, and just 597 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: be talking to you guys and just talk about life 598 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: and from a black perspective on a major environment like 599 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: in ertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you, 600 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: when I seriously say this, I'm proud of you guys, 601 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: and you guys make a huge that because America and 602 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I 603 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: see why because like you, you guys have a virtatial 604 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: palette of how you receive information, how you live your life. 605 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: So when I see you talking to different people, it's 606 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: not even out of the norm because you guys consume information, 607 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone, 608 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: You know about that. Then I know about the chef table. 609 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: You know about that. I've not bring up brought up 610 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: anything you didn't know about it. You know. I tell 611 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: everybody though, I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I 612 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: treat entertainment news like a beat. It doesn't matter if 613 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, um Azerbaijan. If we're talking 614 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: about um, you know, Kim Kardashian. If we're talking whatever 615 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: whatever it is, like that is your beat. So I 616 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: treat it like politics, sports, whatever, like you get up 617 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: every day. I read all of the trade, understand I 618 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: consume all the information, and you treat it. I will 619 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: walk in and she'll break some stuff down to me, 620 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: and I'll be like what I mean, like, break it down? Well, 621 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm a nut like that too, And so you guys 622 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: have not I and I interview a lot of people, 623 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: and so you guys are what you do, your experts 624 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: of what you do, your beautiful people. And guess what 625 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: my goal now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night. 626 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: Come on all this stuff we're about to drop in 627 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: the fourth course, Kevin Kevin stuff happening with them. I 628 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: know about it. I know about it. You guys be safe. 629 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, both of you guys, and 630 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: keep representing. 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And it just underscored to me 658 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: even need to work on criminal justice and policing issues, 659 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: and that's really what I focused on and and I 660 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: learned so much doing that, because when you're working on 661 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: policing issues and criminal justice, you really have to work 662 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: at the grassroots level until you get some victories going. 663 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget what it's like when you're fighting 664 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: the whole system with just you know, a few allies 665 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: then to be able to win sometimes and just shows 666 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: you the power of the people. The Cafe Moka Square 667 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: Award represents men who have strength, whose wisdom is assertive, 668 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: and who is genuine in their spirit. Welcome back to 669 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: money making Conversations. I'm your host Sean McDonald My next guest. 670 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: Pit Master Rodney Scott has been cooking whole hog barbecue 671 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: over with Coles since the age of eleven. Rodney is 672 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: featured in netflix acclaimed Chef Table series. It is barbecue 673 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: theme this season. In twenty nineteen, Rodney Scott opened his 674 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: second location in Birmingham, Alabama, The Ham. That's right, the Ham, 675 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: bringing the Whole Hall South Carolina style barbecue and his 676 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: fame famous vinegar based Rodney sauce to another part of 677 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: the South. Rodney Scott's Barbecue, Pitts, rib Cooks, Ribs, chicken, turkey, 678 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: and other classics like Cola Greens, cod slaw Ella's Banana, 679 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: putting honor Rodney's mother. In another outpost of Rodney Scott, 680 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: Whole Hall Barbecue is set the opening historic West End 681 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: of Atlanta, Georgia. You know, I can't wait. That's where 682 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: I'm based, with another in Birmanham. He's going back to 683 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: the Ham. He just loved the Ham. It is due 684 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: open later that year. He is all about the Whole 685 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: Hog Barbecue. Please working the money making conversations, my man, 686 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: Rodney Scott, Hello, Hello, about lots to say about you, 687 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: man and my son. So you know, I'm a fan 688 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: of just food. I'm a foodie. I'm blessed to become 689 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: proclaimed that's an award winning baker. So and every time 690 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: I look at food or desserts, especially cooking, and I'm 691 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: born and raised in Houston, Texas. So I know Bobby 692 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: que Bob in fact, my nephew. He has a he 693 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: has an award winning barbecue stand in Houston, Texas. He 694 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: cooks for the for the Houston Texas on the weekend. 695 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: He wanted the top box in the Houston, Texas. So 696 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: so you know when when he comes to barbecue, makes 697 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: his own sausage and everything. So so he's a military 698 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: veteran from the Army, So I'm so proud of what 699 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: he's accomlient. In fact, he called me like a few 700 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: minutes before this interview starting, and I felt that it 701 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: was it was it was ironic. He called me right 702 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: before I was about to start this interview with you. 703 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: So I saw the the Netflix special that's where That's 704 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: why I became in love with the brand of Rodney Scott. 705 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: So what is the brand of Rodney Scott before we 706 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: get started from your point of view? Uh, first of all, hello, 707 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: everybody out there, every day is a good day regardless 708 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: of where you are. Um, you know Rodney Scott brand. 709 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: It started. It's basically whole hog cooking, which is over 710 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: hot coals and it's and it's where we burn our 711 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: wood down, we turned in the hot coals. We take 712 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: the hot coals and put it under the hog and 713 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: we cook it for anywhere from eight to twelve hours, 714 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: usually around twelve hours. And uh, it's it's the whole 715 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: brand is about bringing people together, the inspiring people, you know, 716 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: through food and music. Music lover, I gotta admit, love 717 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: me some music. Now. With that being said, when I 718 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: when I watched these different barbecue shows, you know, it 719 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 1: seems like you guys don't do much to the meat 720 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: for to be great. You know, because I was talking 721 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: about the house man bibecure seems so complicated at my house. 722 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: But when I watch your TV, Rottney, just put that child, 723 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: Just put put the rub on it, put the vinegar 724 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: on it. Uh, smoke it and you're done. And then 725 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: everybody and then it just falls apart. Maybe because I'm 726 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: not doing the eight to twelve hours sessions. I'm trying 727 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: to cook mine in two hours is what's causing the 728 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: difficult problems. Obviously, create a little problem on the side 729 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: of the proteins. Depending on the side, you definitely want 730 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: to cook it a little while. Um, you know, you 731 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: run the different things. Uh, the way that we do 732 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: it at home. We we do sprinkle our rub on 733 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: and and and put put our ribs on for example. 734 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: But you know we don't go as hot and we're 735 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: trying not to go as fast. About three and a 736 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: half four hours on those ribs, just an example. You know, 737 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: some of the mistakes that people tend to make when 738 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: when they sometimes are cooking, you know, at home. Right then, 739 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: talk to me, Talk to me, Rodney, you're talking to me. 740 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: Come on, you can personalize that. Rous this is your problem. 741 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: So so here's what you do. You have fun with it. 742 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: You keep that confidence that you start out with, and 743 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: you have fun with it. You know, don't be afraid 744 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: to make that mistake. So don't don't brush it, enjoy it, 745 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: smell of flowers while you're moving along, you know, don't 746 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: have a drink or to enjoy yourself while you're doing it. 747 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: That'll make it a lot easier than having a pressure 748 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: on what it's gonna taste like when it's done. Now, 749 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: this isn't a big difference because I'm just uh, let's 750 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: talk about the Netflix series what I saw you on? Now, 751 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: how did that happen? And how were you chosen? Wow? 752 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, I think we're chosen by word of mouth. UM. 753 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: One of one of my co workers that was with 754 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: us the day that I met the guys, I was exhausted. 755 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: I was out in California cooking. I was exhausted, didn't 756 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: really remember a lot. And uh, we spoke to some 757 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 1: guys and you know, I'm my usual self talking and 758 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: and later on she mentioned to me, she said, you 759 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: know that those guys are connected with Netflix. I'm like, oh, wow, man, 760 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear that. And uh, I think it 761 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: was word of mouth that said that I was easy 762 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: to work with and they wanted to do something. I'm like, 763 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: really sure, And before you know what, I got the 764 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: call Netflix was coming in and like, yeah, how long 765 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: did they follow you? How long? What was the time 766 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: When it was just several days a day, A couple 767 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: of weeks to do that whole special, put it all 768 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: together that they could gather, to shoot the content and 769 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 1: the back story to pull that pull that episode off. 770 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: To pull that episode off, it took us a total 771 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: of two weeks. UM. It was two weeks hard work. 772 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Oh man, those guys 773 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: were so much fun to work with. UM. It was 774 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: interesting to tell the story of barbecue, something that's so 775 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: important to the South. It was it felt good for 776 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: me to be able to tell that story through chef's 777 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: table and and to let the world see that barbecue 778 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: is is something more than just things some people do 779 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: in their backyard, you know, to be to be on 780 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: the same level it's fine dining. To be mentioned on 781 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: that same level, man, that is huge, huge, And it 782 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: felt good taping with these guys to tell that story. 783 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: What you're doing, and I can tell it's one thing 784 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: about me I would like I said earlier. I'm born 785 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: and raised in Houston, Texas, where you know, I grew 786 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: up in a black neighborhood. So barbecue is kind of 787 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: like a writer passage. You know, barbecue. When you're good barbecue, 788 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: you really are the king of the neighborhood, you king 789 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: of the family. You know, you you you have a 790 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: certain honor. You know, you know he can cook because 791 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: everybody cannot cook barbecue because they you know. So tell 792 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: me this, Rodney, what what makes a good because you 793 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,439 Speaker 1: kind of talk about a little bit earlier, what makes 794 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: a good barbecue person? And what makes a person like me, 795 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: who shouldn't be even near barbecue because I'm impatient. I 796 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: wanted I want to I want to cook it like 797 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: a burger. You know, I want my ribs down like 798 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: a burger. Yeah, I know that impatience. So what what 799 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: what makes a good barbecue person is? First of all, 800 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: like I said, have fun with it. Try to enjoy it, 801 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, trying not to carry any pressure is going in. 802 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 1: And you definitely want to make sure that your timing 803 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: is right. You gotta have some patience when you're doing 804 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: it as well. When you tend to rush it, it's 805 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna either be undercooked or it's gonna just be tough 806 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: and you won't enjoy it. So you want to you 807 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: want to have some patience and have some fun and 808 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: and and make sure you got a flavor that fits 809 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: your palette that you really really like, and and just 810 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: show it. Man, take your time and do it, because 811 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: you know you're in the story. You're going and you've 812 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: got the little cold, a little black holes you can 813 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: get and then I see the wool, you know, talking 814 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: about the hickory, and and a different different flavors that 815 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: come if you want to smoke it, because I got 816 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: it all. I got the egg, you know, I got 817 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 1: that because my dad when he was growing up, he 818 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: get the barrel and cut it out and then cut 819 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: in half. You know that was my dad. Then you 820 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: know I'm fast. I got a little money, so I 821 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: got the egg and all that good stuff. So I 822 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: got the twols, the bibe que. I just don't have 823 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: the patience the bibe que. And so so does it 824 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: make a different, big difference. Like when I watched watching 825 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: your TV. It's just it's just so dramatic that you 826 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: know you're in this room with all these pits and 827 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: all these hogs. How many? How many others? Can I 828 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: call them ovens? Uh? What do you call those things 829 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: that you cook? The whole hogs? And what do they call? 830 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: I call them pits? You know some people call them smokers. 831 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, everybody has a different terminology. But I call 832 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: them pits. And uh, in in our in our Charleston restaurant, 833 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: we have five of them that we use. And how 834 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: much does how many hogs go on each pit? And 835 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: and uh, two hogs can fit in our Charleston restaurant 836 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: right now on each pit? And in our Birmingham restaurants 837 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: are our pits are not quite as big as two hogs? 838 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: So you can get about a hog, maybe a hog 839 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: and a half if you're lucky on the ones in Birmingham, 840 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: and we have four down there. So and how many 841 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: pounds are we looking at a hog? Hundred seventy hundred, 842 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: fifty hundred seventy pounds average. Every now and again we 843 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,879 Speaker 1: may get something around two hundred pounds, you know. Yeah, 844 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: well that's a lot of protein cooking at one. So 845 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: you gotta have patients and enjoy the ride. That's where 846 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: the music comes in. Absolutely. And I tell you so 847 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: that our country I was. My dad man used to 848 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: take me the country and we you know, shoot a hog, 849 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, and we come back and you know, we 850 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: bring it back with hog head cheese. We got the 851 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: children's you know, we got the ham. You know that 852 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: hog when he came, we pig feet. We did everything 853 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,439 Speaker 1: on that hall right at that that that hog didn't 854 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: walk out that house. You know what I'm saying. He 855 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: walked in my house. He was. The knuckles were gone, 856 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: the tails were gone, the feet, the ham, Like I said, 857 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: the chidlings. And if anybody who's ever done chillings at 858 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: their house know what I'm talking about. That house ain't 859 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: nothing right to go into okay, it's not right okay, 860 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: because you gotta go in there and clean out them 861 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: in tests. And the testings are for rape for real, 862 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: as they say, Hey, come on, my man, right there? 863 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: Do you do your chidings with white white rice? What 864 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: do you need your hot sauce? Oh? Man, we had 865 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: the lady that used to make it for us, miss Margaret. 866 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: He used to throw down and presh chent links with 867 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of gravy and onions and hot man down. 868 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: See that's that's that's the country talk. See Rody. And 869 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: if you're not ready for this card, I'm sorry you 870 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: tune in on Money Made Conversation. We went deep on 871 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: this because see when he didn't blink what I said, 872 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: we're cleaning the hogs in the bath tub. He didn't blink, 873 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: say because you know exactly that the intestines. He knew 874 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. That's what you gotta do. 875 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: You just can't eat dirty and testines. You know you 876 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: can't do that, otherwise you gonna get you. You have 877 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: to clean them and the real good. But then he 878 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: turned around and said, that's good eating. So that's good. God, 879 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: you're listening to money Making conversations with Rashan McDonald. We'll 880 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: be right back. 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And 906 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: that's what you were talking about earlier when you're saying 907 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: that you know, the elevation of barbecue to that as 908 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: a fine dyning couisine. It's what you're talking about as 909 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,399 Speaker 1: far as the pride factor. So let's talk about the 910 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: whole James Beard and how that works and how you 911 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: brought into the opportunity to the win Best Chef Southeast. 912 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: Well Man, that the James Beard Award is prestigious award. 913 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean for years. And the first time I went, 914 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: I was I went as a guest, and uh, I 915 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,359 Speaker 1: thought it was the most amazing thing to see so 916 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: many people around food and and when I came back 917 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: home to the country, the next thing that I thought 918 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: about was I would love to get up there one day. 919 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: But me being in a rural area at the time, 920 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: the only thought I had was I'm I'm gonna create 921 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,319 Speaker 1: a mental James Beard Award if I get a guest 922 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: that comes too, and three times that will be my 923 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: can walk across that stage. So it was always a 924 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: dream like that, you know, for me. And then it 925 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: got to the point where we opened the restaurant here 926 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: in Charleston in in two thousand and seventeen, and and 927 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: and then the next thing, you know, we had a 928 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: nomination and I'm like, wow, how do you get nominated? Well, 929 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: to get nominated, somebody has to mention it and and 930 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: it goes before a committee of people that you don't know, 931 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: and you don't know who's watching you. So from the 932 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: first nomination, I felt not only proud, but I felt 933 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: the the obligation to deliver great food, to deliver consistent 934 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: food across the board every day until this announcement comes. 935 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 1: Then we made the finals and I'm like, wow, we're 936 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,320 Speaker 1: we're up here walking with us, walking with the big folks, 937 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: you know, do this thing on the higher. Let's dress 938 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: up phone. So now it's time to go to Chicago 939 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 1: for the finals. And and you gotta get your tuch cedo, 940 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: you gotta get yourself together, and um, you know, I was, man. 941 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: I was just happy to go and to hear your 942 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,320 Speaker 1: name called with all of these great, great, great chefs 943 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: throughout the country, you know, and to be in a 944 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: rare group of one of the few minorities that's been 945 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: announced that year. It felt so amazing. Man, it was surreal. 946 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: I still can't believe it. And that was two thousand 947 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: and eighteen. That's yeah, I'll never forget man. Wow, May 948 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, and uh, I remember when they called 949 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: our category and they called my name. I didn't hear it. 950 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: And everybody on my road had to tell me to 951 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 1: get up. You know, my wife's my my my business partner, 952 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: my brother Nick, Paul and Nicholas, all these guys they 953 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,839 Speaker 1: always travel with me. That's my family. And they had 954 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,399 Speaker 1: to tell me, get up, man, get up, you want 955 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: and you want what what? So that walked to the 956 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,720 Speaker 1: stage was one of the most longest walks I've ever taken. 957 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,919 Speaker 1: It was, I was. It was unbelievable. I was like, oh, please, 958 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: don't wake up before you get to the stage, because 959 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: I thought I was dreaming mm hmm. But man, to 960 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,359 Speaker 1: to get up there and to have that metal put 961 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: around your neck, to be mentioned with like I said, 962 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: some of the best chefs in the in the United States, 963 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 1: in the world. Just to be mentioned on that level, 964 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,359 Speaker 1: Man was unbelievable. Well, first of all, you look good, 965 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: and you look good and tucked. Man, you look at 966 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: you dressed up nice man from that apron and that 967 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: T shirt. You look good. Billy Reid when they look 968 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: at really good, well, you know that. The thing about 969 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate Rodney didn't live in Houston, Atlanta, New York, uh, 970 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and Chicago. Chicago is a food lover's town. 971 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,319 Speaker 1: It is that city right there is you walk in 972 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,719 Speaker 1: that city if you want to get a good meal, 973 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't care if barbecue, Mexican food, Italian food. Of course, 974 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: pizza that's what it's known for. Hot dog, that's what 975 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: it's known for. But that's a food lover's town. And 976 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: to the honor and a food lover's town is even 977 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 1: even more great and they get win a award like that. 978 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 1: So what did that win in that award in teen 979 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,760 Speaker 1: do for your brand? Man? Winning that award in twenty 980 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: eighteen got my brand not only more recognition, but it 981 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: brought us a lot more opportunity to to to go 982 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,160 Speaker 1: and spread our love all over the place. You know, 983 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,120 Speaker 1: we traveled throughout the United States doing different events because 984 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 1: people heard of us through the award. We got a 985 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,319 Speaker 1: chance to let people see whole hog cooking, even down 986 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,919 Speaker 1: in Houston. You know, we we we cook. I remember 987 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: cooking in Houston a couple of hogs and one guy 988 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,520 Speaker 1: came up and asked me, was it dear because they 989 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: were so used to be but you know, yeah, so 990 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: just the Beard Award got us recognized to the point 991 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: where we were able to do our things in different 992 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,479 Speaker 1: parts of the United States and be recognized and people 993 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: knew what to expect and to be so respected through 994 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: our food. When it's barbecue. You know, a lot of 995 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: people look at barbecue is a simple backyard thing. But man, 996 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: the Beard Award changed that whole outlook for us because 997 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: it struck a lot of people's curiosity to say, this 998 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: is Beard Award winning barbecue. I have to go and 999 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: taste it. My man, I'm gonna tell you something. You know, 1000 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,959 Speaker 1: Uh now, how did the you know, when the middle 1001 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 1: of the pandemic and COVID ninteen and over the divertly 1002 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: affect African America, But more importantly, the country shut down 1003 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 1: for almost two months and nobody saw that coming. So 1004 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,360 Speaker 1: how did it effect how you are doing business today 1005 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: and what's the recovery process for you in the future. 1006 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 1: First of all, you know the pandemic is. It was 1007 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,840 Speaker 1: pretty pretty scary, man, it still is. And and the 1008 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: first thing we did was we we tried to protect 1009 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 1: our staff, our families, um and and we we we 1010 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,840 Speaker 1: started to communicate every day my PRG Restaurant group. We 1011 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: communicated every day on the phone with all the CDC 1012 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: rules and everything that we can do to adjust how 1013 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: do we keep the public fed without putting them at risk? 1014 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: And we we kept in communication following CDC rules. We 1015 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: we created sanitation lists and rules. We held all of 1016 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,799 Speaker 1: our managers and everything obligated to making sure sanitation is 1017 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: done hourly throughout the rest run. And we we had 1018 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: a drive through at our Charleston restaurants, so when dining 1019 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,480 Speaker 1: rooms got shut down, we were able to serve food 1020 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: through our through our drive through to still feed people 1021 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: that were still able to come out. And then and 1022 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: the frontline workers and emergency workers that were out there, 1023 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: they were still able to eat. So not only that 1024 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 1: barbecue travels well, so you get us, you get an 1025 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to reheat a little bit without destroying the quality 1026 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: of the food. So that helped a lot of families 1027 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: and and and first responders. You know, we offered discounts 1028 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 1: to to them so they can feed their families. Our 1029 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: staff members that we weren't able to keep on staff, 1030 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: we offered them a couple of hours a day to 1031 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,440 Speaker 1: come get food. So we just continue to work. We 1032 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 1: we we we thought about our staff. We weren't out 1033 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,799 Speaker 1: to make money. We're out to just maintain the best 1034 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,160 Speaker 1: we can to protect our people well. And and and 1035 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,919 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to I just wanted you to share 1036 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,320 Speaker 1: that story because that's part of you know, when you're entrepreneur, 1037 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that you're human being too. 1038 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 1: And then you have people who count on you, and 1039 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: then when they're in the moment of distress, you know 1040 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,760 Speaker 1: your or stressed, you have to be there for them 1041 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 1: and then but not leave them out there. And also 1042 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: your community, like you said, all for discounts and things 1043 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 1: like that. And but that's what that's what heard a 1044 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of black businesses. And you know, because you're the 1045 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 1: lead entrepreneur in this business, we were not set up 1046 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,680 Speaker 1: for the technology. We are not generally set up for 1047 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,560 Speaker 1: the drive throughs. And so when the pandemic hit, it 1048 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 1: really affected uh minority business is overall because they were 1049 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,920 Speaker 1: not They did such business, you know, dying in business. 1050 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: That's how they made their money. Wasn't ready for the 1051 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 1: curb fide when ready for those elements of of change. 1052 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: But the thing that really affects me is that when 1053 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,120 Speaker 1: I saw your special on Netflix, it was so human. 1054 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: Now we saw how the James Beard affected your business. 1055 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: That that Netflix series The Chef Table had to be 1056 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 1: on fire for your brand. Now I'm tasting man. When 1057 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: you when you when you did that story about it, 1058 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, you were celebrating, uh, your high school graduation, 1059 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,800 Speaker 1: and that girl came over you said, I don't know 1060 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: why you celebrating. All you're gonna do is go down 1061 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,320 Speaker 1: the street and chop a hall for a living. And 1062 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: then your dad woke you up at midnight. He told 1063 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 1: me right after that told me, I walked away from 1064 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,040 Speaker 1: her over to him and he said, you gotta be 1065 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: at the pit that left it and I'm like, what, 1066 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: so you know it it's all very very true, And 1067 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: it was it was it was it was heartbreaking to 1068 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: a teenager coming out of high school. You know what, 1069 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: I can't have fun tonight. But you know, I never 1070 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,040 Speaker 1: I never forgot the moment I can take you to 1071 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: the very spot. I stood what that girl said, what 1072 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: she said to me, and I never let that escape 1073 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,160 Speaker 1: my mind because I knew that I'm gonna stay determined. 1074 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna prove her wrong. And and and every day, 1075 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: not one day goes by. I think back to that 1076 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: moment when she said, I don't know why you ain't 1077 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,520 Speaker 1: going nowhere, And I'm gonna go right on down the 1078 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: street and chop up me for living. That's all you 1079 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: ever gonna be at meat chopping. That's all you were saying. 1080 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: And then but when when you but but that was 1081 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 1: one of the moments. That was several moments, and that 1082 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,400 Speaker 1: when you was out there with your son, it was 1083 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: just several great emotional moments. When I because you know, 1084 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,600 Speaker 1: because they give you an option. You know what happens 1085 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: is on Netflix they do a trailer and I'm sitting 1086 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: up there with my wife and because another person that 1087 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: told me about the chef tables, you gotta wat chef 1088 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: that was really good. That's okay, cool, so the trailer 1089 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: came on, I watched. Now they went through everybody and 1090 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: I went riding this God, I said, man, I gotta 1091 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 1: this looks pretty. So you was the first one I watched, 1092 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, my mom was dropped, my mouth dropped. 1093 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 1: I went, wow, Wow, I love this dude. I love him. 1094 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 1: He's he's on. You know. It was just it was 1095 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: just your story was compelling, your the family aspect, your 1096 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: relationship with your dad, your mom coming up, you know, 1097 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: getting news story. In no words, you didn't This is 1098 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,920 Speaker 1: what I like about you, right, You didn't ask for 1099 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: any of this, but when the opportunity presented itself, you 1100 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 1: went forward. Man, you were not intimidated by an opportunity. 1101 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: And a lot of people are like that. And that's 1102 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: why I always tell people on this the show, because 1103 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of you have to walk 1104 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,320 Speaker 1: through a lot of unknown to be successful. When I 1105 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: say that, I mean that they're no guarantees, and your 1106 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,440 Speaker 1: story is walking through a lot of unknowns to be 1107 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: where we are today talking about your success. Correct correct, correct, correct? 1108 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,080 Speaker 1: You know a closed doll, don't get fed. I'm someone 1109 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 1: finding that all the time. Tell Nick that all the time. 1110 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,919 Speaker 1: A closed mouth, don't get fed. If you don't open 1111 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: up your mouth and say what you want, that opportunity 1112 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 1: is not gonna be there for you. You know, you're 1113 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: just gonna let it pass you by if you don't, 1114 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 1: if you're not gonna, you're not willing to step out 1115 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 1: on faith and do your thing and stay stay consistent 1116 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,919 Speaker 1: and persistent. You you know you can. It can clip 1117 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,880 Speaker 1: right by past you, and I refuse to let anything 1118 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: slip past me. You don't. Now you're about to comment, 1119 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 1: because I want to get to comment on people's reaction 1120 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 1: to the Chef Table specialist Aaron on Netflix after they 1121 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 1: saw it. What has been the reaction? Out of this world? 1122 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 1: The reaction, let me tell you the It released at 1123 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:24,160 Speaker 1: three am Eastern Standard Time on September second, for thirty 1124 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: I think I had messages on my phone. I had 1125 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:33,800 Speaker 1: messages from Australia. I had messages from uh Russia, Rue, Germany, Switzerland, 1126 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,800 Speaker 1: the UK, and and and everything on Instagram. The message 1127 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,120 Speaker 1: requests they've they've been out of this world. And and 1128 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not ignoring your request. I'm trying 1129 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,320 Speaker 1: to get to him. I'm trying, but it's been out 1130 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,400 Speaker 1: of this world. Sales at the restaurant line out the door. 1131 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: People have been people have shown so much love, they 1132 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: have been grown men and women approached me with tears 1133 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,200 Speaker 1: in their eyes. Old my story, you told my story. 1134 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna do the same thing. Uh. Weird, weird calls 1135 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,080 Speaker 1: at times, and you don't know me, but I got 1136 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,640 Speaker 1: your number from such and such and I They would 1137 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: say the first name, but they would just say how 1138 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,200 Speaker 1: much the story touched their lives. It's it's been unbelievable 1139 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 1: all the way around, you know, business wise, personal wise, 1140 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and and it inspired so many people to come out 1141 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: and say that they're having tough relationships with their families 1142 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,240 Speaker 1: and they want to do something about it. So it's 1143 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,360 Speaker 1: it's been. It's been over over the top, man, it's 1144 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,000 Speaker 1: been absolutely great. I'm enjoying every second of being able 1145 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,360 Speaker 1: to see somebody and say that you helped me, you 1146 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,479 Speaker 1: change my life. I'm gonna tell you, man, my father 1147 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,360 Speaker 1: was a truck driver, kind of like your father. You know, 1148 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 1: this way it's gonna be. This is why I've been, 1149 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,840 Speaker 1: this is the way we've been doing. This way it's 1150 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: gonna be. And this is why it's gonna be. After 1151 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,320 Speaker 1: I leave this Earth because that's where he set the 1152 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: rules in place. And so I just I'm gonna tell you, man, 1153 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I watching the show, and it's just speaking honest, is that? Uh? 1154 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 1: I just Rodney Scott brand. I fell in love with 1155 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 1: the family man, I fell in love with the son. 1156 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,200 Speaker 1: I fell in love with the entrepreneur. I fell in 1157 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 1: the the I don't give up spirit. I'm not afraid 1158 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 1: to try something new. I'm not afraid to travel. I'm 1159 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: not afraid to understand that God has something in store 1160 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,320 Speaker 1: from me. And when it comes to me, I'm gonna 1161 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 1: be waiting and I'm gonna put the work in to 1162 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: make sure it happens. That's what people saw in that story, man, 1163 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,920 Speaker 1: And it's just one of the great great um individual 1164 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 1: moments of watching something on television. You're going, this is 1165 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,320 Speaker 1: great storytelling because they told your story, right, they really did. Yeah. 1166 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 1: That that story of my life, man, And and I 1167 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 1: just hope that everybody that watches it learn from it 1168 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and stay inspired by it. You know, don't don't feel 1169 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: don't feel down because things are not happening to you 1170 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 1: the way that you wanted to. You know, your turn 1171 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 1: coming just sits now. My turn is coming because you're 1172 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be coming to Atlanta here with some boby 1173 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: que My brother tell us about the expansion talk and uh, 1174 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: how's everything going down in the ham and uh? And 1175 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: why is there a desire to expand the brand? Man? 1176 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: The desire to expand the brand has been a childhood dream. Um. 1177 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I heard I heard T. D. Jake say the Colonel 1178 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 1: have chicken and he got so blessed and it spread 1179 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 1: all over the world and I said, we got hugs, 1180 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,000 Speaker 1: and Uh. To expand the brand man was was the 1181 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,640 Speaker 1: personal dream. And Uh, me and Nick, we we talked 1182 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,520 Speaker 1: a lot about expansion and he asked me and I 1183 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,080 Speaker 1: told him, and Atlanta was one of the stops. And 1184 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm excited to come to Atlanta. I remember reading about 1185 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,440 Speaker 1: Atlanta in the eighties and Everny magazine that city was 1186 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 1: growing so fast and I was like, wow, man, Atlanta, 1187 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,920 Speaker 1: where is that? You know? And finally got an opportunity 1188 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. And I'm excited about Atlanta. 1189 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Birmingham as well. We're coming into Birmingham expanding that the 1190 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: That place is just one of the most beautiful cities 1191 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,920 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It's it's a city, but it feels 1192 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 1: like a small town. You know, you still receive a 1193 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,360 Speaker 1: lot of love. You can feel a love in that area. 1194 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,480 Speaker 1: And and and I just I drive to Birmingham all 1195 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,120 Speaker 1: the time and not just for work, and I just 1196 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,760 Speaker 1: loved the area. Well, I gotta get your more boar 1197 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Ricky smile. That's Rickie smiling country there, Burma. That's big Hey. 1198 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I gotta put him on the radio show. But we 1199 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,600 Speaker 1: get smiling man. He probably don't know you in the hand. 1200 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,680 Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta hook this up, man, because my 1201 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,480 Speaker 1: own thing is that is that is as a brand 1202 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: and watching you grow as a as a business year 1203 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: James Beard Award winner, you know your your barbecue's outstanding. 1204 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,640 Speaker 1: You're expanding that. Tell us a little bit about your partner. 1205 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned his name several times because he was really 1206 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: key until you becoming the brand that you are today. 1207 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:49,040 Speaker 1: And how did that relationship come about? That relationship relationship 1208 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,120 Speaker 1: with my partner, my brother came about in two thousand, 1209 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I think it was ten nine or ten. We met 1210 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,760 Speaker 1: and uh, we're introduced by mutual friends and and we 1211 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 1: we did an event together called the Smoke Downer here 1212 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,240 Speaker 1: in Charleston for Charleston Wine and food. And that night 1213 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 1: we talked and I said, this, dude's really funny. Man, 1214 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: you know the great conversation. Seems to be a smart businessman. 1215 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,200 Speaker 1: And we just we we formed a relationship from the 1216 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,680 Speaker 1: first night that I did this event up into the 1217 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 1: current day. You know you're talking about this is my 1218 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 1: best man at at my wedding. You know, this is 1219 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 1: the guy if I need to talk to somebody, I 1220 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: can call him up. And he mentioned these opportunities to 1221 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,360 Speaker 1: me and I'm like, yeah, you know, dude, I know you. 1222 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,400 Speaker 1: I've seen your hard work, I've seen your efforts. I've 1223 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,880 Speaker 1: seen your success, and yeah, I guide me showby tell 1224 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,440 Speaker 1: me what you know and I'll tell you what I know. 1225 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,120 Speaker 1: And together, man, we we we learned from each other constantly. 1226 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,360 Speaker 1: We listened to each other constantly. He shows me things, 1227 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,280 Speaker 1: I showed him things, and we're constantly talking and communicating. 1228 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,280 Speaker 1: And he's been a very very big part on me 1229 01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: opening the first Ridingey Scott here in Charleston, right right 1230 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,400 Speaker 1: down the street. Well, you know, my whole thing is that, um, 1231 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 1: you're a pit master. You're a keen pitt master. If 1232 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,080 Speaker 1: you haven't seen the special on Netflix, it's called the 1233 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: Chef's Table. Um, they have a trailer, they have a 1234 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,960 Speaker 1: number of other really good episodes, but I'm only here 1235 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,480 Speaker 1: to talk about Rodney Scott. That's the episode change my 1236 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: my take on what it means to bobbecue. And I 1237 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,680 Speaker 1: know a lot of great bobbycue My boy Kevin Blood, 1238 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 1: so he's my boy out of l A less bobbecue 1239 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,560 Speaker 1: you got, but nephew down in Houston, Texas, he's a 1240 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: bad bobecue. But Rode this guy. Neither one of them 1241 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:38,280 Speaker 1: are James Beard Award winning pit Masters. Okay, congratulations my brother, 1242 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and uh, you know when you come to Atlanta, you 1243 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,120 Speaker 1: know we're gonna keep this relationship going and all that 1244 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,360 Speaker 1: and everything. But again, I just wanted to bring you 1245 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,880 Speaker 1: on my show, My Money Making Conversation, tell your story. 1246 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna promote this a lot and get the word out. 1247 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Do you have do you do you ship your meat 1248 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,520 Speaker 1: or do you shipping your food or it's everything just 1249 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 1: at the stores. We're not shipping right now. Everything is 1250 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: at the stores. We're shipping our retail products. Were um, 1251 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: we're shipping our sauces, our t shirts, has our rubs, 1252 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 1: we're shipping those right now. And Uh, we're we have 1253 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,400 Speaker 1: a book coming out spring one, Um, Rodney Scott's World 1254 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 1: of Barbecue. Every Day is a good day. Uh, that's due. 1255 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,760 Speaker 1: You can pre order that on Amazon and uh we 1256 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: we we were excited to share what we got with 1257 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,479 Speaker 1: the world. Right now, you have to come and see us. 1258 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: But hey, we're working on You're trying to put one 1259 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,440 Speaker 1: in your back. You know you and you in Australia, 1260 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,559 Speaker 1: man in Russia, they won't want something besides a little 1261 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,720 Speaker 1: T shirt there by friend, But again, but get you 1262 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,760 Speaker 1: always got me excited about that songs because you know 1263 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,840 Speaker 1: your boy don't know nothing about no Bob ques. So 1264 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,880 Speaker 1: at least I can start with that song and that 1265 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: rub that you're selling down there and get that right 1266 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,240 Speaker 1: on my meat and we can get rollers and dude, 1267 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,000 Speaker 1: at least get that egg working right and then then 1268 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: take my time, take my time, take my time. Yeah, 1269 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,240 Speaker 1: take your time on that egg, take your time back 1270 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,559 Speaker 1: the top about halfway and get that baby at about two. 1271 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Kids love talking to an expert. Roddy, thank you for 1272 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: calling money making conversations. I appreciate if you enjoy the interview. 1273 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,720 Speaker 1: Man to our mind, my next guest and Walker on 1274 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,920 Speaker 1: Musa is a black woman working in a white man 1275 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,800 Speaker 1: world dominated. She's a startup. I'm telling I've done several 1276 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,040 Speaker 1: interviews on Money Making Conversation and they said, you gotta 1277 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,639 Speaker 1: speak to and Walker. That's a big to him. She's 1278 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,280 Speaker 1: the next level, next level. So we're gonna find out. 1279 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,559 Speaker 1: She is the vice president and chief creator at the 1280 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Walker as a 1281 01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,840 Speaker 1: music level, a contemporary bohemian with an old soul. I mean, 1282 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,479 Speaker 1: that's that's young people. You know, you've ever been around 1283 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,479 Speaker 1: young pie coming room and go. Maybe she teamed, but 1284 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,400 Speaker 1: she talked like she forty. That's that's but you know, 1285 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: we'll talk to her. We're talking like she like she 1286 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,719 Speaker 1: Secily Tyson, that's what she We're actually gonna be interviewed 1287 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Secily Tyson on the show The Day. That's our soul, 1288 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,559 Speaker 1: that's our spirited and she is in the nanties at 1289 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,519 Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And Walker develops 1290 01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,920 Speaker 1: informative immersive exhibits celebrates the diversity of musical oppression during 1291 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,839 Speaker 1: this period of civil unrest. Music has this role, especially 1292 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,280 Speaker 1: from a historical specter. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations 1293 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:16,960 Speaker 1: and Walk Up and woosaw is that right? Up? Once 1294 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,160 Speaker 1: you get past the name, we're all good and up. 1295 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Come on. Oh my gosh, I'm honored to me. This 1296 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,920 Speaker 1: is crazy. Just listening to the intro, I'm like, damn, alright. 1297 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 1: But I have been like you know, and I've interviewed. 1298 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,840 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate and blessed with the show because I've 1299 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,160 Speaker 1: been doing it and interviewed a lot of great people. 1300 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: And when the name starts popping up, if you didn't 1301 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:42,120 Speaker 1: interview and walk up, man, she on fire. I said, okay, cool, okay, 1302 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,439 Speaker 1: But then everybody kept you know know she you know 1303 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,519 Speaker 1: she got that old spirit, you know she you know 1304 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:53,800 Speaker 1: she's young, but she talked like about you know, she 1305 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,800 Speaker 1: tells about that old who soul and this young body 1306 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,000 Speaker 1: and talk about that and why people why people are 1307 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,559 Speaker 1: are so engaged with your person. Now, I know that's 1308 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 1: that's a lot to say, because you know, your your 1309 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 1: spirit wasn't was designed to just talk about yourself. But 1310 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,080 Speaker 1: when people talk about you, you have to be delivering 1311 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 1: something to them that made them excited and made them 1312 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 1: respectful to make you a recommendation. That's all you wanted. 1313 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,640 Speaker 1: If you want people to recommend you, to that's like 1314 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,160 Speaker 1: a good that's like a credit reference, right, So credit 1315 01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,280 Speaker 1: reference right, So talk about it being the vice president 1316 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,000 Speaker 1: chief curator because I'm that's a big word, curator. We're 1317 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,560 Speaker 1: gonna get to that word in a minute. But just 1318 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,720 Speaker 1: tell me why people think so much of in Waka. 1319 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, I again honored m to be 1320 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,040 Speaker 1: on this call and to be speaking with you. UM, 1321 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,120 Speaker 1: I you know what, I'm just gonna leave it as 1322 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,000 Speaker 1: UM it's a guiding me. I'm just gonna leave it 1323 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,599 Speaker 1: at that because I don't have the full answer for that. 1324 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,680 Speaker 1: But UM, I know I'm passionate about my work. And 1325 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: I can definitely blame that on my parents. UM, both 1326 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:04,559 Speaker 1: my mom and dad hard workers, entrepreneurs, UM, very strong 1327 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,120 Speaker 1: work ethic, and that is what powers me. That's what 1328 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,280 Speaker 1: feels me. So you know, I'm all about the work 1329 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,519 Speaker 1: and let's just get it done. And UM having an 1330 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,679 Speaker 1: opportunity to create and put out different, um, a number 1331 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,200 Speaker 1: of different exhibits with different varying topics. UM, you know, 1332 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,040 Speaker 1: probably that's what people are feeling. But definitely the passion. 1333 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,760 Speaker 1: So I'm sure that that's what folks are feeling. And 1334 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:34,400 Speaker 1: music really is about passion. I know that I didn't. 1335 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,519 Speaker 1: I didn't I couldn't read, but I knew that I 1336 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,040 Speaker 1: knew my mom's favorite music. That's boy he can't read. 1337 01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,200 Speaker 1: But you know about Johnny Taylor because I knew that 1338 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,240 Speaker 1: I could just see the words that get put on that. 1339 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,240 Speaker 1: So I didn't know that said Johnny Taylor, but I 1340 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,240 Speaker 1: knew those are the words you put together. That was 1341 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,000 Speaker 1: my mom and dad's favorite music. And so because music 1342 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: plays that role and it means so much to us, 1343 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,920 Speaker 1: what does it mean to you? Gosh, music is definitely 1344 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,320 Speaker 1: a lifeline. Mus what you said, you don't have to 1345 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,720 Speaker 1: speak the same language, you don't need to read. Um. 1346 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,720 Speaker 1: Music is just one of those things where you know 1347 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,680 Speaker 1: you are, you are moved the power of music. We 1348 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,799 Speaker 1: hear these slogans, um, and it can sound cheesy at times, 1349 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,000 Speaker 1: but to truly feel the power of music, I'm gonna 1350 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,520 Speaker 1: makes you cry, dance, laugh, I want to hit somebody. 1351 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you got you got all kinds of range 1352 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 1: of emotions. But music is just so powerful and I 1353 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,960 Speaker 1: love that. That is truly the universal language. It really 1354 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: is what connects us. It doesn't matter where you from, 1355 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: what walk you're walking. Um, that's what I love about music. 1356 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean the messages that are just in the in 1357 01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,200 Speaker 1: the music. That's what this is inspiring to me. Even 1358 01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 1: it's really interesting that, you know, because I look at 1359 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 1: my life, you know, and uh, you know, I look 1360 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:53,520 Speaker 1: at how music has played a role and degrees in mathematics, 1361 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 1: and I can always remember a radio is important to me. 1362 01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,559 Speaker 1: And and then as I was too on the road 1363 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,639 Speaker 1: and stand up comic, are certain song who just keep 1364 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,240 Speaker 1: me awake, you know, keep me Bruce Hornsby's at that 1365 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,240 Speaker 1: first album he put out, the Grace Land by Paul Simon, 1366 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,360 Speaker 1: you know those those songs, uh, you know. And and 1367 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,960 Speaker 1: now I got my Pandora, and I've just got if 1368 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: you listen to my Pandora. I got from Kim to 1369 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,280 Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin to h to uh to uh Bruce Springsteen, 1370 01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, to you know that that to me. And 1371 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,280 Speaker 1: then I got you know, flow ride of my House. 1372 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I got you know, I rise, 1373 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,320 Speaker 1: you know all your damn you know what I'm saying. 1374 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,400 Speaker 1: So and so that's to me. When I listened to 1375 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,000 Speaker 1: my when I when I go through that whole realm, 1376 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,800 Speaker 1: I got Patty on there and and I just go 1377 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,400 Speaker 1: and I got I got Willie Hut show there. You know, 1378 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,880 Speaker 1: it's just it's just, it's just, it's just it's so important. 1379 01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,360 Speaker 1: And then when you create a creator the rock and 1380 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,000 Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame, that's like the mecca where every everybody, 1381 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: every artist who's gun music wants to get there, like 1382 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,720 Speaker 1: the Basketball Hall of Fame, like the they want to 1383 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,160 Speaker 1: get there, right and you want to get airp and curator. 1384 01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:17,760 Speaker 1: Explain that, Explain that role, and then explain if there 1385 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:22,599 Speaker 1: are pressure, what is the pressure being that person? You know, 1386 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,960 Speaker 1: I I'm still pinching myself. So this is a recent 1387 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,719 Speaker 1: promotion that happens for me as the rock hall. And again, 1388 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,679 Speaker 1: just to be a curator to your point, withere Sean, 1389 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,080 Speaker 1: as you were saying, just to even work at the 1390 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,760 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and um be a 1391 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,120 Speaker 1: curator there, really, I mean it was a dream. I 1392 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 1: didn't even know. I had to be quite honest, you know, 1393 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,320 Speaker 1: So to be there, I mean we are running the narratives. 1394 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,639 Speaker 1: Were as curators what curators do. We're writing the stories. 1395 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,200 Speaker 1: We are the storytellers. You know, you have filmmakers who 1396 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,200 Speaker 1: are sharing stories, you have novelists who are sharing stories. 1397 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,800 Speaker 1: Will curators tell that story in the physical space, regardless 1398 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,439 Speaker 1: of it's an art museum to a music museum, And 1399 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 1: so I'm happy to be there to shift UM the 1400 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:11,720 Speaker 1: narratives to UM provide even more inclusion about amazing musicians 1401 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,400 Speaker 1: and you know, and just to do that work. So 1402 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 1: it really is my citadel. I watched the Game of 1403 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Thrones and I just really I'm honored, like it's my 1404 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a mister in the citadel. Like 1405 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,840 Speaker 1: it's just such an honor. The collection UM is just 1406 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,439 Speaker 1: beyond dope. I mean, going over jeez, over thirty thou 1407 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,680 Speaker 1: forty thousand different artifacts collected UM. They're so impactful of 1408 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,960 Speaker 1: musical history UM, to the fabric of who we are. 1409 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there's you know, I'm kind of going all 1410 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 1: over the place. I'm just excited about the thing about 1411 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,640 Speaker 1: it is that no you're not because you were. You 1412 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,479 Speaker 1: walk in and you and heaven. You know, it's like 1413 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,519 Speaker 1: it's actor no different than I'm sure when they put 1414 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:57,920 Speaker 1: the African American Museum together. There's so many writings and 1415 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,400 Speaker 1: its cry so made you emotional, song made you. I 1416 01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: can't believe this. I didn't know. And that's why I 1417 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,599 Speaker 1: started our conversation just talking about music in general, because 1418 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,240 Speaker 1: you can't have this job being a singular thought person. 1419 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 1: You know, I just like country, I just like a rock, 1420 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 1: I just like rap. You have to have a palette 1421 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,439 Speaker 1: of music. That's like I was talking about, you know, 1422 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,479 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm a toothpod guy. You know what 1423 01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, but I listened to Snoop too, 1424 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,479 Speaker 1: you know, I know, like I said, a great selt 1425 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,479 Speaker 1: the album. You know, you can call me al. I 1426 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,240 Speaker 1: can just remember that video or Chevy Chase and Paul Simon, 1427 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,920 Speaker 1: like is playing on TV right now today. You know, 1428 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,879 Speaker 1: you gotta be born in the USA, you know, you know, 1429 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,880 Speaker 1: you got to be able to understand that's just some 1430 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,400 Speaker 1: of the songs, but it's even deeper than that. And 1431 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,120 Speaker 1: so that's what you're being, you know, a person of color. 1432 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:59,560 Speaker 1: People can question whether you should be in that position, absolutely, 1433 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, I will. I mean a number of experiences, UM, 1434 01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,519 Speaker 1: but one of them rings out so potently for me. 1435 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,799 Speaker 1: I've started my career, my curating career, UM, a museum 1436 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,840 Speaker 1: career for that fact, at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles, 1437 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,280 Speaker 1: and UM, you know, there was an exhibit specifically. I 1438 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,880 Speaker 1: remember it right now, what's called the Sounds of Laurel Canyon, 1439 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,320 Speaker 1: California Dreaming and that you know, you're talking about Buffalo 1440 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Springfield and Joni Mitchell, and I mean you're hitting on 1441 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:35,240 Speaker 1: all of these really phenomenal bands, um, predominantly white bands, um. 1442 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,599 Speaker 1: And you know, doing my research knowing the photographers who 1443 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,599 Speaker 1: were the key players with this movement. But I remember, 1444 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I will not forget there was a writer who came 1445 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,040 Speaker 1: in and like, you know, number one, they were looking 1446 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,400 Speaker 1: for Waka. My name is kind of ambiguous, so like 1447 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,080 Speaker 1: who is Waka? Where is she? I'm never looking for 1448 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,360 Speaker 1: a Japanese woman. One that was already that was like okay, 1449 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,280 Speaker 1: now I'd be black, um, and why not know him 1450 01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:13,040 Speaker 1: as Japanese? Got to be Japanese. That's so hey, we 1451 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,240 Speaker 1: all connected from the continent. So they're looking for a 1452 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,800 Speaker 1: Japanese woman, um, and they find out that I'm black, 1453 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,840 Speaker 1: and so the feedback was just like damn um while 1454 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,160 Speaker 1: and so even to your intro, like, wa, so you've 1455 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,800 Speaker 1: curated this Laurel k And exhibit and you're black. And 1456 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,360 Speaker 1: I was about thirty or twenty nine or something at 1457 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:42,320 Speaker 1: that point, Okay, there we go fifty in spirit and 1458 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,240 Speaker 1: that's when that came out, and that's how that was manifested. 1459 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's just you know, I like, 1460 01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,439 Speaker 1: I like I like having an ambiguous name. I like 1461 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,200 Speaker 1: if people can't tell if I'm a male or female 1462 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,760 Speaker 1: or you know, like, I love that. Um, just lets 1463 01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,759 Speaker 1: the work speak for itself. So they aim not knowing, 1464 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,920 Speaker 1: oh I was a black woman. Um. They came because hey, 1465 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,759 Speaker 1: this is a dope topic and it's timely for that time, 1466 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, for that period. Um, but let's just check 1467 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,120 Speaker 1: it out. But yeah, yeah, let's just check it out 1468 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,000 Speaker 1: because this is interesting. It's really amazing when I you know, 1469 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,080 Speaker 1: when I say that, I find so much fun. You know, 1470 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,720 Speaker 1: first of all your energy and you came so you know, 1471 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,680 Speaker 1: so I know the people I talked to that they 1472 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,800 Speaker 1: have personalities and they're very opinionated people. When they say, man, 1473 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,960 Speaker 1: you need to talk to she's your fire. So we 1474 01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,760 Speaker 1: just stocked. Can we can interviewing you? I gotta hit 1475 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:40,120 Speaker 1: it all that out, Okay. So yeah, so when when 1476 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:41,840 Speaker 1: I look at when I look at you, you said 1477 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,639 Speaker 1: you started at the Grammy Museum. Okay, tell us about 1478 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,120 Speaker 1: your you know, because the people want to know how 1479 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,519 Speaker 1: you get these gigs? You know, what did you? Can 1480 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,640 Speaker 1: you sing? Can your your spoken word? Artists? Can you 1481 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,680 Speaker 1: play an instrument? Once you agree? When did you go 1482 01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: to college major in music or art? What are those 1483 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,880 Speaker 1: key things that got you in this position after the 1484 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,160 Speaker 1: Grammy Museum and now at the Rock and Roll Hall 1485 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:11,880 Speaker 1: of Fame as the vice president and curate. Chief's a 1486 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,040 Speaker 1: c C at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1487 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:20,560 Speaker 1: Just keep people just see her? Who's that the chief curator? Okay, 1488 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:27,000 Speaker 1: oh my god? Well the longest short um is essentially 1489 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,120 Speaker 1: I just will say is my title thing is just 1490 01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:33,240 Speaker 1: stepite out of your comfort zone. Um. I had no idea. Again, 1491 01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm a daughter of an immigrant mother from the South, 1492 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,920 Speaker 1: like I had no idea what a curator was. So 1493 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,719 Speaker 1: that was not my initial aspiration. Nor did I truly 1494 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:49,280 Speaker 1: understand the the impact of museums, you know, at a 1495 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,400 Speaker 1: younger age for someone to say, hey, you know, I'm 1496 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 1: going in as a back you know, as an undergrad 1497 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,480 Speaker 1: with museum studies, it was not. That was not me. Um. 1498 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,439 Speaker 1: So again my passion just for music in general, not 1499 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,559 Speaker 1: having access to it because I grew up in a 1500 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,120 Speaker 1: very Pentecostal home where we were only listening to gospel music. 1501 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,439 Speaker 1: I mean maybe some maybe some James Brown, you know 1502 01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:17,360 Speaker 1: some obviously, some supremes, a lot of motown um in general. 1503 01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,400 Speaker 1: So I was able to at least be introduced to 1504 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:24,439 Speaker 1: these foundational musicians in our music. Come on, you know 1505 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,679 Speaker 1: my dad look cute my dad being Nigerian, we got 1506 01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,040 Speaker 1: to Bob Marley of course and say line all of these, 1507 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, because we're gonna do it like a name 1508 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,599 Speaker 1: that tune in a minute that you know what I'm saying. 1509 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,400 Speaker 1: I might hurt you, I might don't get yourself hurt. 1510 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,400 Speaker 1: Don't don't hurt read um. But you know, I'm just 1511 01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,320 Speaker 1: truly stepping out of my comfort zone. Is is how 1512 01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,120 Speaker 1: I got started at the Grammy Museum, from you know, 1513 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,519 Speaker 1: stepping up to volunteering myself to curate my first exhibit, 1514 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,920 Speaker 1: which is called hip Hop a Cultural Odyssey, and just 1515 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,280 Speaker 1: to really launch out and reach and connect different artists 1516 01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,679 Speaker 1: and UH managers and publicist. This is a whole business. 1517 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,000 Speaker 1: When you're working in a music museum, it's interesting because 1518 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,240 Speaker 1: you know your foot is in the music industry to 1519 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,320 Speaker 1: an extent, in your foot in the museum world. Um. 1520 01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,400 Speaker 1: So so I love that that makes things so interesting. Um. 1521 01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,200 Speaker 1: So to grow in that and just learn and working 1522 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,840 Speaker 1: with such a prominent organization like they're Recording Academy, Um, definitely, 1523 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,240 Speaker 1: you know now looking at it, I mean because I 1524 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,439 Speaker 1: did not write this script, um, but looking at it now, 1525 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,200 Speaker 1: to be at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 1526 01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:48,160 Speaker 1: is such an honorable UM progression in my career. And 1527 01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,679 Speaker 1: I'm just look. I started out in the box office, 1528 01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:55,200 Speaker 1: working part time, okay, um I okay, so that's the 1529 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,839 Speaker 1: real you know, the real deal. And I was like, damn, okay, 1530 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,080 Speaker 1: so I can I do this and love music as 1531 01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,120 Speaker 1: much as I do? Like so yes, I do think 1532 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,120 Speaker 1: play a mean old tambourine. Don't have any come on 1533 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:09,960 Speaker 1: on your show and do that you have to ruing 1534 01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:18,080 Speaker 1: me onside that a thing. But you know, starting out 1535 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,160 Speaker 1: just taking chances. I I had no idea what the 1536 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Grammy Museum had to offer, but again put it in 1537 01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,320 Speaker 1: the work, starting from the bottom, hustling and growing and 1538 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,719 Speaker 1: seeing how how the institution works, how it's built, um 1539 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,720 Speaker 1: and seeing that from the doors. Um, I think I 1540 01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,960 Speaker 1: had the best of you in that institution from um 1541 01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,559 Speaker 1: from being a ticket taker so that was really interesting. 1542 01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,120 Speaker 1: Like I had the ticketmaster background and knew how to 1543 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,720 Speaker 1: build shows and all of that. So again just utilizing 1544 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,280 Speaker 1: all of my talents then my passion for the music, 1545 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 1: passion for education, UM, all of those things were able 1546 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,280 Speaker 1: to be UM used in one place. And that's why 1547 01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,840 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is this is the thing, 1548 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,320 Speaker 1: This is it for me. All of the other ideas 1549 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,479 Speaker 1: that I thought I had for myself UM kind of 1550 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,320 Speaker 1: went up the windows. You know. I wanted to be 1551 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,080 Speaker 1: an attorney. I wanted to be an entertainment lawyer. And 1552 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, I still get to deal with um lawyers 1553 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,360 Speaker 1: and attorneys all the time, with the states and dealing 1554 01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,120 Speaker 1: with contracts, so I get to you know, scratch that itch, 1555 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,639 Speaker 1: you know. UM. The music part again that's daily UM. 1556 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,640 Speaker 1: But there's just so much that I get to do 1557 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: in this role and I'm honored and really in the 1558 01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,559 Speaker 1: education component of it. 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And my minor in college and 1595 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,400 Speaker 1: my degree is in mathematics, My miner was in sociology, 1596 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:34,160 Speaker 1: sociology and that Dee and I always tell people that 1597 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,840 Speaker 1: sociology changed my life, you know, because of the fact 1598 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,759 Speaker 1: that it made me realize what why we're all fighting 1599 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:45,400 Speaker 1: right now? That so much was denied educationally in my 1600 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,120 Speaker 1: high school career, in my middle school with it just stopped, 1601 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,880 Speaker 1: you know. They know when they brought us over a slave, 1602 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,639 Speaker 1: they freed us and then they swung forward to Brown 1603 01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,200 Speaker 1: versus a board of education. Then they went to mar 1604 01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,320 Speaker 1: Luther King. He got assassinated. That was it. That was 1605 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,880 Speaker 1: our black his t and that's how that was our 1606 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,960 Speaker 1: black participation in this country according to the people who 1607 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,240 Speaker 1: allowed that information to y'all because they didn't want to 1608 01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,000 Speaker 1: let anybody know how we were mistreated like and that's 1609 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,479 Speaker 1: what the that's why I respect about the Jewish community. 1610 01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,280 Speaker 1: They got their story told the Jewish people. They're telling 1611 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,360 Speaker 1: their story that they're letting everybody know what the Germans did. 1612 01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,040 Speaker 1: And with the Holocaust world, don't you don't you try 1613 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,960 Speaker 1: to bask this. Y'all did this to us? And so 1614 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,080 Speaker 1: what's happening with the blacks in America? And when you 1615 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,200 Speaker 1: when I took that, it brought me the tears. I 1616 01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,799 Speaker 1: realized I didn't know. I didn't know because nobody allowed 1617 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,960 Speaker 1: that information to be shared with me. Come and so 1618 01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,920 Speaker 1: whenever I meet a fellow sociology major minor person, it's 1619 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,320 Speaker 1: a certain kindship because guess what, you know what I know, 1620 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,760 Speaker 1: You know the pain that I'm talking about, you know 1621 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,080 Speaker 1: the anger. Then I'm talking about the disappointment I have 1622 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:59,479 Speaker 1: to say in the American educational system denying information. Come 1623 01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,920 Speaker 1: on now, and that's true. And then and then when 1624 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,240 Speaker 1: you look at it, too. I'm like, the role that 1625 01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,000 Speaker 1: we play and what we do in society is really 1626 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,960 Speaker 1: to just be truth tellers, to really break the truth 1627 01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,960 Speaker 1: and whatever it is. I mean, that's mean us the 1628 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,759 Speaker 1: most to be to be a reflection of the times. 1629 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:23,000 Speaker 1: And that's why I love her. We can break it. 1630 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,519 Speaker 1: Let's do it. You can't have the wine with it, 1631 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,120 Speaker 1: but you know, and and it's and it's so true. 1632 01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever your career path is, be be an 1633 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,439 Speaker 1: activist in that. And that's where it's like, hey, we 1634 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,000 Speaker 1: can change the theretor we can share stories that have 1635 01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,120 Speaker 1: never been told, or highlight musicians whose stories aren't out there, 1636 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,799 Speaker 1: the Laverne Bakers of the world. I mean, let's share 1637 01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,760 Speaker 1: those stories. Let's talk about those stories. And to be 1638 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,599 Speaker 1: able to do that like you're doing through your show, 1639 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,160 Speaker 1: to do that in a museum like the Rock and 1640 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,439 Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame or the Grammy Museum or whoever, 1641 01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:59,519 Speaker 1: the Smithsonian, it's it's an honor to write that history 1642 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,000 Speaker 1: that people can then go back and have another and 1643 01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,519 Speaker 1: a fresh perspective based on something that you were able 1644 01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,080 Speaker 1: to introduce. I think that's powerful. Well, it's talking to 1645 01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,040 Speaker 1: you is powerful. We're talking to you know why why 1646 01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,160 Speaker 1: I started this show. Every interview I go, I get 1647 01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,760 Speaker 1: more relaxed, I get more honest about because you know, 1648 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,600 Speaker 1: you start an idea. Everything starts with an idea. You 1649 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,960 Speaker 1: don't know if people are buying too and and people 1650 01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,320 Speaker 1: and you know, I remember I first started the show. 1651 01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know if they was calling me 1652 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,639 Speaker 1: because they know I knew famous people like Steve Harvey. 1653 01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,839 Speaker 1: I was managing them or the calling because rus Sean McDonald. 1654 01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,040 Speaker 1: They wanted to hear, they wanted to buy into what 1655 01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to say. And so now there's changed 1656 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,479 Speaker 1: that people are understanding my message is about them. You know, 1657 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,200 Speaker 1: you're the star, you know, but you know, but it's 1658 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,519 Speaker 1: a start in different lane because everybody used to the 1659 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,759 Speaker 1: stars and on television and the fail. But the stars 1660 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,320 Speaker 1: are the entrepreneurs. Stars are the people with the machines 1661 01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,599 Speaker 1: that the people who we call the movies and the 1662 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,960 Speaker 1: shakers of this business who sometimes I imply private planes 1663 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,320 Speaker 1: and the people who consider the star still on first class, 1664 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, And that's how business is. I'm talking to 1665 01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,920 Speaker 1: Reset to Stay, I'm talking to the vice president and 1666 01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:12,600 Speaker 1: chief career curator I called r c C at the 1667 01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,360 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Cleveland. You know, see, 1668 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,559 Speaker 1: I will just tell you all this. I'm just catching 1669 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,200 Speaker 1: that on the on the on the on the ride. 1670 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,680 Speaker 1: She's on the ride because you know she was just 1671 01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,200 Speaker 1: she was. Cleveland just did a big spread on her 1672 01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:32,000 Speaker 1: a few days ago after she said, yes, you're right. 1673 01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,320 Speaker 1: How you know all that stuff? How you know? Because 1674 01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,680 Speaker 1: I said, I know we can see you all. You know, 1675 01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,599 Speaker 1: I'm not the person proclaiming you as the next big 1676 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,320 Speaker 1: star in this, in this, in this when I say 1677 01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:51,160 Speaker 1: a perfect time, she's back. She's beautiful, she's informative, she's educated, 1678 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,920 Speaker 1: she has a resume. You know, I always hear people 1679 01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:59,840 Speaker 1: you know the next step is president? You president? You 1680 01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,719 Speaker 1: down there? You know you're not down there selling tickets 1681 01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,360 Speaker 1: no more. You know what I'm saying. And I like 1682 01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,280 Speaker 1: it because she got two titles, you know what I'm saying, 1683 01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,960 Speaker 1: just because she get bored of being a VP. Just 1684 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:16,040 Speaker 1: be a chief creator? Right? Que what doing over him? 1685 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:22,760 Speaker 1: Chief creators in the room. So so let's let's tell 1686 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,920 Speaker 1: everybody what her chief creating. It's not some some some 1687 01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:32,680 Speaker 1: contraption in your kitchen to make break Okay, it's not 1688 01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,600 Speaker 1: a blacker if you can buy on late night TV. Okay, 1689 01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,559 Speaker 1: what is a it's not a vital mix, uh juicer? 1690 01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:52,479 Speaker 1: What is it? Creator? Oh my god, get yourself. Yes, 1691 01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:57,880 Speaker 1: But essentially the Webster Dictionary term for a curator is 1692 01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:01,599 Speaker 1: truly just the keeper of the collect and or the 1693 01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:07,360 Speaker 1: custodian of the museum. So I'm overseeing the entire territorial 1694 01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Affairs division and so that's from our library and archives UM, 1695 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,680 Speaker 1: into our collections, into our curators and preparators. And I 1696 01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,920 Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a team that makes all of 1697 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,639 Speaker 1: this move and work. So UM, I advantaging that team, 1698 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,160 Speaker 1: overseer of that UM and making sure that you know 1699 01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,200 Speaker 1: the narratives and the stories, the artifacts that we collect 1700 01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:35,080 Speaker 1: UM are relevant, are powerful, UM, and are making sure 1701 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:39,280 Speaker 1: that we're keeping the museum UM moving forward, keeping the 1702 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:44,840 Speaker 1: community moving forward, keeping our perspectives moving forward. So I'm 1703 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,559 Speaker 1: again honored to be in this role, like to be 1704 01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,639 Speaker 1: a gate keeper even is just an honor. So so yeah, 1705 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,240 Speaker 1: that's that's my job as as chief curators. How I 1706 01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,280 Speaker 1: would define it, how I would define it now that 1707 01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,240 Speaker 1: I don't came down. You got me tackling over here. 1708 01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:11,799 Speaker 1: I need for water, water, Okay, Uh, your latest exhibit 1709 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,840 Speaker 1: has been said, all alone has been said along with 1710 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,160 Speaker 1: voices of rage, hope, and empowerment. Share with us you 1711 01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,439 Speaker 1: know what that is about and why it's important because 1712 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,599 Speaker 1: when we started out talking about the importance of music 1713 01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,080 Speaker 1: and and he was like you said, walking in, how 1714 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,960 Speaker 1: do you get the information? How do you how does 1715 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,280 Speaker 1: information come to you? Our records come to you, or 1716 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,800 Speaker 1: guitars coming to you or jackets coming to you. Because 1717 01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,680 Speaker 1: all this is a part of the process of what 1718 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,800 Speaker 1: should be in the in the museum and why it's 1719 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,160 Speaker 1: important to putting the museum because aren't you kind of 1720 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,280 Speaker 1: like limited on your space because the building is a 1721 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,800 Speaker 1: certain size. And then you say, okay, I'm stuck. What 1722 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,720 Speaker 1: do I what? I put it? I just put it 1723 01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:57,639 Speaker 1: on video? Now how do you continue to grow your brand? Right? Um? 1724 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,519 Speaker 1: You're completely what thousand percent correct that we have a 1725 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,760 Speaker 1: finite space of what we can you know, exhibit in 1726 01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,080 Speaker 1: the museum. UM, A finite number of galleries in the 1727 01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:13,799 Speaker 1: museum and a growing collection, UM, which is absolutely beautiful 1728 01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,519 Speaker 1: to have a you know, a solid permanent collection that 1729 01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,360 Speaker 1: can help to tell tell a story like it's been 1730 01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,200 Speaker 1: set all along. Um, I was really grateful to be 1731 01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:28,360 Speaker 1: able to just pull artifacts from our collection that have 1732 01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:33,559 Speaker 1: either never been on display before UM or to you know, 1733 01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:37,360 Speaker 1: go out and look for new artifacts to help UM 1734 01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:41,759 Speaker 1: further the conversation with newer artists who are making music 1735 01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,120 Speaker 1: now and who are are new UM crooners and culture 1736 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,880 Speaker 1: shifters of today UM and to continue to tell that story. So, 1737 01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:53,639 Speaker 1: you know, in this world, in this co curating through COVID, 1738 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,280 Speaker 1: as I call it UM, which is something that we're 1739 01:35:56,280 --> 01:36:01,000 Speaker 1: all doing. UM is recurating how we people so to 1740 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:06,280 Speaker 1: do things virtually now. Virtual exhibits, you know, was something 1741 01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,439 Speaker 1: that museums played with, but it's now something that we're 1742 01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:13,200 Speaker 1: having to rely more heavily on just because you know, 1743 01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:18,880 Speaker 1: tourism is down, museums are closed UM permanently or you know, temporarily, 1744 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,040 Speaker 1: So we have to find new ways of reaching our audience. 1745 01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,599 Speaker 1: So to go beyond the gallery states, to go beyond 1746 01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,920 Speaker 1: ten thousand square feet or seven thousand square feet UM 1747 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:33,040 Speaker 1: and make it virtual where the globe can see the 1748 01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,720 Speaker 1: work and and learn from it and be inspired and 1749 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,479 Speaker 1: moved by it. That's really powerful. So we are shipped 1750 01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:43,080 Speaker 1: into a more digital UM experience that we create for 1751 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,200 Speaker 1: our visitors. UM, but you did ask me about it's 1752 01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,960 Speaker 1: been set all along voices of rage, hope, and empowerment, 1753 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,200 Speaker 1: and that really was birth out of I'm calling it 1754 01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,160 Speaker 1: is our civil rights of this new millennium, you know, 1755 01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,800 Speaker 1: with the civil rights movement of UM, where you know, 1756 01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:03,840 Speaker 1: the killing, the murders of you know, black bodies. Let's 1757 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,839 Speaker 1: just call it what is UM, you know, the murders 1758 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,360 Speaker 1: of black bodies. The musicians who have risen to the 1759 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,320 Speaker 1: occasion to lend their voice and put their bodies on 1760 01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,439 Speaker 1: the line UM, musically, UM, putting their careers on the 1761 01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,519 Speaker 1: line by speaking up and speaking out during such a 1762 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,320 Speaker 1: critical time, UM, and to continue to pass on those 1763 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,080 Speaker 1: messages and narratives that inspired this new generation. Because when 1764 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,679 Speaker 1: you look at it historically, in every war, going back 1765 01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:35,920 Speaker 1: to civil wars, revolutionary the musicians, the bands always went 1766 01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,879 Speaker 1: out first. Those trumpets and those horns were facing the soldiers, 1767 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,679 Speaker 1: those people who are on the front line. The music 1768 01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,400 Speaker 1: was always a part of the narrative. It is a 1769 01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:49,080 Speaker 1: part of our cultural ships. Like every revolution has a soundtrack. 1770 01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,920 Speaker 1: So from Martin Luther King having marching arm and are 1771 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,800 Speaker 1: with Navid Staples or the Staples singers or you know 1772 01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:00,360 Speaker 1: Isaac haves being in the mix or whoever I mean 1773 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:09,840 Speaker 1: from the music, Come on, I mean the whole thing. Um. 1774 01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:14,160 Speaker 1: Music has always played a curs So to anyone who 1775 01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,400 Speaker 1: I say, who wants to diminish that, Um, you gotta 1776 01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,240 Speaker 1: be blind and disillusions. I mean. So that's why this 1777 01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,040 Speaker 1: exhibit is called It's been dead all along, highlighting black 1778 01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:29,240 Speaker 1: voices who have been speaking out about injustice and inequality 1779 01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,120 Speaker 1: and for equal rights. One of the things that I 1780 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,439 Speaker 1: love about managing our collection and being so new to 1781 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,679 Speaker 1: Cleveland into the rock Hall, is that I'm discovering things 1782 01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,439 Speaker 1: maybe that um, the staff may have forgotten about or 1783 01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, they may have seen it, so it's fresh 1784 01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,200 Speaker 1: to me. UM. So that's really nice to pull out 1785 01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,640 Speaker 1: these things that are in our vault. Um. We have 1786 01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:56,439 Speaker 1: these beautiful lyrics written by James Brown. We always typically hear, 1787 01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud. 1788 01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,680 Speaker 1: We don't hear the other ants. Um don't open up 1789 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,760 Speaker 1: the door for me, or you know, I don't need 1790 01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,840 Speaker 1: nobody to open up the door. I don't just get 1791 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:09,040 Speaker 1: it myself. You know, we have the lyrics we have, 1792 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't need nobody to I don't need you even 1793 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,200 Speaker 1: do this for me. So, I mean we have those 1794 01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:24,599 Speaker 1: lyrics that those are affirmations, those are messages of of um, strength, 1795 01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,040 Speaker 1: of rage, of hope, empowerment, and so that's where I 1796 01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,720 Speaker 1: wanted us to, you know, we go through these transitions 1797 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,680 Speaker 1: of rage, hope, and empowerment and still come out resilient. UM. 1798 01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,240 Speaker 1: The photos that are even on display in this exhibit 1799 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:41,400 Speaker 1: are primarily from black photographers UM, some who people may know, 1800 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:45,559 Speaker 1: some who they may not, including Chuck Stewart UM who 1801 01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:51,040 Speaker 1: is phenomenal UM who shot the album cover for Gil 1802 01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,080 Speaker 1: Scott Hearing and for that single The Revolution will not 1803 01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:59,639 Speaker 1: be televised. I mean they're uh, girls, don't come on now, 1804 01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you some just you make me mad, girl, 1805 01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,200 Speaker 1: I wanted just following your riding, won't be like, oh, 1806 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,280 Speaker 1: you're a little bit black man on your show, just 1807 01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:14,880 Speaker 1: walking up h and mark a turn right? Turn right? Girl? Girl? 1808 01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:19,840 Speaker 1: Who are you talking? Nobody's nobody. I can't let you 1809 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,720 Speaker 1: in here. They find out you on my shoulder, They're 1810 01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,439 Speaker 1: gonna knock you off because every time you talk, I'm 1811 01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,840 Speaker 1: just oh that song, I'm just dropping the word a 1812 01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,920 Speaker 1: lyric oh year because girl that that's that is a 1813 01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:35,840 Speaker 1: beautiful thing to be part of history, living history and 1814 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:41,599 Speaker 1: being able to right. No, it's it's absolutely beautiful. So 1815 01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:45,240 Speaker 1: it is it is, you know, a celebration of the past. 1816 01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:49,800 Speaker 1: But while we are also looking at the musicians, the songwriters, 1817 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:53,760 Speaker 1: the creators of the future UM to you know, be 1818 01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:57,240 Speaker 1: inspired by their work as well. So that's you know 1819 01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,240 Speaker 1: essentially what that exhibit is. But it was it was 1820 01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:04,360 Speaker 1: such a powerful thing to do, UM, you know, during 1821 01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:07,519 Speaker 1: that time. And it's a great way again to to 1822 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,519 Speaker 1: make sure that these artists are continued to be talked 1823 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,439 Speaker 1: about in these institutions, in in the Rock and Roll 1824 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, UM again, holding holding voices and holding 1825 01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,160 Speaker 1: leaders accountable. I mean, these stories and narratives should always exist, um, 1826 01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:26,200 Speaker 1: within our institutions. So I'm doing my due diligence as 1827 01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:34,960 Speaker 1: as c C show people who don't know, the people 1828 01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,280 Speaker 1: who don't know, but to make sure that these stories 1829 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,240 Speaker 1: are are always in the narratives. Because the important thing 1830 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,479 Speaker 1: that you said, like as you said, not knowing about 1831 01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,200 Speaker 1: UM these important moments in our history and learning about 1832 01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,000 Speaker 1: them at school and your undergrading your sociology and your 1833 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:56,559 Speaker 1: acro studies and from you know what we're talking about. 1834 01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,120 Speaker 1: When you started you go for real, it was it 1835 01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,040 Speaker 1: was like it was, it was, it was. It was 1836 01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,720 Speaker 1: tragic information for me because I was one of these 1837 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,040 Speaker 1: guys who were read smart, know at all guys, And 1838 01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, you kidding me, You got to be kidding. 1839 01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,280 Speaker 1: You just gotta be allowed. This can't be so. It 1840 01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:21,200 Speaker 1: is so much information that is denied of everybody, White people, 1841 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:25,240 Speaker 1: his fantics, Blacks, especially then when you're here being told 1842 01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,000 Speaker 1: to you go or this some black stuff, some some 1843 01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,160 Speaker 1: faith news. Ain't know way black people did all this, 1844 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:36,479 Speaker 1: and they go, we did, we did, we did, And 1845 01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,040 Speaker 1: to see that I have a beautiful, as they said, 1846 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:43,920 Speaker 1: black queen up there. The Vice President a K. A c. C. 1847 01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,920 Speaker 1: Creator at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. 1848 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,000 Speaker 1: I know you've been to Slimmers. I gotta go to Slimmers. 1849 01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:57,080 Speaker 1: Get you some sandwiches up there. That's why I mean, 1850 01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna get low. See what I'm saying, That's what 1851 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean. As soon as this pandemic, I'm gonna get on. 1852 01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,519 Speaker 1: I ain't apply Cleveland too much together to do with that, 1853 01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,639 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get up there. The Cleveland but now 1854 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,160 Speaker 1: now the weather, now the weather is taking a turn. 1855 01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,240 Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, I love cold weather. I 1856 01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:20,080 Speaker 1: lived in Chicago five years. I got closed that I can't. 1857 01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:23,479 Speaker 1: I'm in Atlanta now I got closed. They just sit, 1858 01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,320 Speaker 1: they just sitting like they just sit in my closet 1859 01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:28,200 Speaker 1: because I have no reason to put them on right 1860 01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:33,120 Speaker 1: now because the weather. Oh yeah, but Cleveland, I step 1861 01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:34,800 Speaker 1: on the plane, people look at me like, I'm oh, 1862 01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,160 Speaker 1: he's just he ready, he ready, he ready for everything, 1863 01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,160 Speaker 1: he ready for everything. But you know, the beauty of 1864 01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,120 Speaker 1: why I brought you on the show is to let 1865 01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,519 Speaker 1: the world know about you because you are a rise 1866 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,479 Speaker 1: and star. You are a representative of what we need, 1867 01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,120 Speaker 1: people who are willing to share the information, but more 1868 01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:53,840 Speaker 1: importantly respected not because of the color your skin, but 1869 01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,200 Speaker 1: who you are. Because the color your stink would have 1870 01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,360 Speaker 1: stopped you. Who you are got you your job. And 1871 01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,280 Speaker 1: that's when that we need to understand. That's the narrative 1872 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,120 Speaker 1: that's being discussed on Money Making Conversation today. I want 1873 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:06,960 Speaker 1: to thank you. You know, it's thirty more minutes. We 1874 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:08,880 Speaker 1: gotta stop talking. So I don't know why people come 1875 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:10,720 Speaker 1: in to the show. I'll tell him. I'll tell him 1876 01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,600 Speaker 1: twenty man, they be said talking talking, just talking, and 1877 01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,920 Speaker 1: we can talking this thanks too many. I ain't taking 1878 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,920 Speaker 1: no blame for this, y'all and can talk. That's what 1879 01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:20,360 Speaker 1: you got the job. The guy don't know how to 1880 01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,320 Speaker 1: stop talking. She'll not talk talk people. They're probably walking 1881 01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:31,200 Speaker 1: around with ear plug zone. They're probably probably probably thank 1882 01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,920 Speaker 1: you so much for having me though, truly honored for 1883 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,320 Speaker 1: you recognizing me and um and just for all those 1884 01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,519 Speaker 1: voices who are who are rooting for me as well, 1885 01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,280 Speaker 1: thank you. I'm rooting and you stay safe. We talked soon. 1886 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,640 Speaker 1: Bye bye. All right. If you want to hear more 1887 01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:48,519 Speaker 1: money Man conversation interviews, please go to money Maent conversation 1888 01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:51,800 Speaker 1: dot com. I'm Rashan McDonald. I'm your host. We'll be 1889 01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,320 Speaker 1: right back with more from Marsan McDonald and money making conversations. 1890 01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:58,920 Speaker 1: Don't touch that dob Oregon. Donations save lives and some 1891 01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,839 Speaker 1: organs can even be needed by a living donor. August 1892 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,720 Speaker 1: is National Minority Donor Awareness Months. So let's check in 1893 01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,799 Speaker 1: with Dr Denay Simpson, Assistant Professor of surgery at Northwestern Medicine, 1894 01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,200 Speaker 1: tell us about the African American Transplant Access Program. So 1895 01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,400 Speaker 1: this is my baby. This is a program that I 1896 01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:19,840 Speaker 1: have dreamt about creating since I became interested in transplant 1897 01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:23,080 Speaker 1: as a trainee, and it's a program designed to address 1898 01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:29,880 Speaker 1: the significant disparities that are African American patients space. The 1899 01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:34,639 Speaker 1: program is designed to educate patients about transplant, let them 1900 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,800 Speaker 1: know what transplant can provide to them, and to help 1901 01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:42,800 Speaker 1: them access the resources that they find so scarce and 1902 01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,960 Speaker 1: so challenging to access in order to get them on 1903 01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,479 Speaker 1: the transplant path and back to, you know, some type 1904 01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,880 Speaker 1: of meaningful life. For more information, visit n M dot org, 1905 01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,160 Speaker 1: Slash Radio him Roshan McDonald's the host of Money Making Conversation. 1906 01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,920 Speaker 1: The Cafe Moca Swag Award is a celebration of black 1907 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,160 Speaker 1: men who are making a difference in our community by 1908 01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:06,840 Speaker 1: empowering others to reach their life goals from civic leaders, businessmen, activists, 1909 01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,280 Speaker 1: celebrities and everyday dads. The Cafee Mocha Sag Award one 1910 01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,920 Speaker 1: of this week is Dr John N. Singer. He is 1911 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,120 Speaker 1: the Associate Professor of Sports Management and Associate Dean for 1912 01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:20,599 Speaker 1: Diversity and Inclusion in the College of Education and Human 1913 01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:24,439 Speaker 1: Development at Texas and M Dr John N. Singer is 1914 01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,160 Speaker 1: about enriching and transforming lives through education. His book Race, 1915 01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,559 Speaker 1: Sports and Education is about improving opportunities and outcome for 1916 01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,760 Speaker 1: black mail college athletes. It was just important for me 1917 01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,000 Speaker 1: to write about what I knew and what I was 1918 01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,800 Speaker 1: most passionate about at this moment my my career. I'm 1919 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,120 Speaker 1: very hard on the system and my critique of it, 1920 01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,040 Speaker 1: and I'm also uh cognizant of the fact that the 1921 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,320 Speaker 1: individual has to step up and make it their education 1922 01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:56,439 Speaker 1: priority or activists pursuit. The Cafee Mocha SAG Award represents 1923 01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,639 Speaker 1: men who have strength, whose wisdom is assert and who 1924 01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,920 Speaker 1: is gene in their spirit. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations. 1925 01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,679 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Sean McDonald. My next Welcome to everybody. 1926 01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:10,559 Speaker 1: My next guest is George Fraser, called him Dr George C. Fraser. 1927 01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,080 Speaker 1: He's a chairman and CEO Frasier Net, a company founded 1928 01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:18,080 Speaker 1: over thirty years ago. Dr George Fraser renowned networking guru, 1929 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,760 Speaker 1: business leader, author and entrepreneur who was regarded as one 1930 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:26,720 Speaker 1: of those foremost respected authorities on entrepreneurship and building generational 1931 01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:30,639 Speaker 1: wealth and economic empowerment for the Black community. He will 1932 01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:34,160 Speaker 1: be talking about his annual Power Networking conference, plus give 1933 01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,880 Speaker 1: us some great value about how we can be successful 1934 01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,040 Speaker 1: in our own everyday life. Please welcome back to Money 1935 01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:44,519 Speaker 1: Making Conversation. Dr George C. Fraser. Oh God, bless you. 1936 01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,559 Speaker 1: Good to hear you. I love the I've always I've 1937 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,240 Speaker 1: always loved the energy and your voice. Uh. Hell, you 1938 01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:52,600 Speaker 1: motivate me and I'm a motive there. Well, you know 1939 01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:54,960 Speaker 1: that's always a company because you know you It's like, 1940 01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure when Michael Jordan got a little 1941 01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,320 Speaker 1: court and I call you Michael Jordan, Now did every 1942 01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:02,519 Speaker 1: Sean mcdonalth. I just thought myself to be a little 1943 01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,280 Speaker 1: bit Uh I'm not even gonna say Lebron. I'm not 1944 01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:09,719 Speaker 1: even Lebron. But you, Michael Jordan, John Fraser, understand that 1945 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,880 Speaker 1: we all respected in this business of entrepreneurship because you 1946 01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:17,679 Speaker 1: all know, like now entrepreneurs are some almost become a fad, 1947 01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,519 Speaker 1: just like the worry branding has become a fad. But 1948 01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, you started this whole networking in a relationship 1949 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:27,920 Speaker 1: before it was even vogue. Talk about the high wars 1950 01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,720 Speaker 1: when we started the Fraser Networking and now how it 1951 01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:34,160 Speaker 1: is now, especially with social media being so prevalent in 1952 01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:38,280 Speaker 1: the process of networking. Yeah, that's that's an excellent point 1953 01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,920 Speaker 1: where sean. Social media has helped all of us to 1954 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,599 Speaker 1: stay connected, to get connected, uh and to leverage more 1955 01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:51,680 Speaker 1: effectively our collective resources and intellectual capital. And uh so 1956 01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,960 Speaker 1: I love it. It has really helped to spread the 1957 01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,559 Speaker 1: word about economic development and wealth creation. That's helped us, 1958 01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:04,320 Speaker 1: in fact, to understand the rules for for financial success. 1959 01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, actually, there are three basic rules. There are 1960 01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:11,960 Speaker 1: three basic rules, uh that will if you're looking for 1961 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:16,599 Speaker 1: financial freedom, if you follow these three basic rules, there's 1962 01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,240 Speaker 1: no way that you can go wrong. Rule Number one, 1963 01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,760 Speaker 1: your rent or mortgage should be less than what you 1964 01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,439 Speaker 1: make in a week. I cannot tell you how many 1965 01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,719 Speaker 1: black people are house for your rent or mortgage should 1966 01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,800 Speaker 1: be no more than you make in a week. So 1967 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,360 Speaker 1: if you have a two household income, you combine the 1968 01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:37,559 Speaker 1: income for a week, and your rent or mortgage should 1969 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,960 Speaker 1: be no more than that. That's number one. Number two, 1970 01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:44,960 Speaker 1: only borrow money to make money. So yes, you can 1971 01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,120 Speaker 1: borrow money to buy a house, because if you keep 1972 01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,599 Speaker 1: your house, it is going to make money. There's nothing 1973 01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,840 Speaker 1: wrong with that. If you're borrowing money to buy a car, 1974 01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:59,920 Speaker 1: unless you're turning that car into a useful and utilitary 1975 01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,240 Speaker 1: and tool to help you make money, get back and 1976 01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,519 Speaker 1: forth to work, or do whatever you need to do. Uh, 1977 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,679 Speaker 1: that's a good thing, but it's a depreciating asset, Rashan, 1978 01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:11,880 Speaker 1: because the moment you buy that car, if you turn 1979 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,400 Speaker 1: that car around and try to take it back to 1980 01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:16,719 Speaker 1: the dealer to get what you paid for, you would 1981 01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:23,120 Speaker 1: not get it on the floor. That's right, exactly the 1982 01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,559 Speaker 1: same thing with diamonds, Rushan. You can buy you a 1983 01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,439 Speaker 1: beautiful diamond bracelet if you turned around and try to 1984 01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,400 Speaker 1: sell it back to the jewel, but what you just 1985 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,240 Speaker 1: paid for it, you will not get it. So borrow 1986 01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:38,679 Speaker 1: money to make more money and figure out whatever you're 1987 01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,799 Speaker 1: borrowing money for. How are you going to get something 1988 01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,719 Speaker 1: in return for your investment. And that's what you expect. 1989 01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,800 Speaker 1: You expect a return on your investment. That's that's number 1990 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:53,800 Speaker 1: two and number three. This is d As your income increases, 1991 01:50:54,960 --> 01:51:01,280 Speaker 1: your cost of living should decrease. Was stay the same. 1992 01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:06,200 Speaker 1: Stop living brothers and sisters above your means. Stop living 1993 01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:09,240 Speaker 1: which means you're spending more than your earn. Stop believing 1994 01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:13,400 Speaker 1: even within your means, which means you're spending everything you 1995 01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:19,840 Speaker 1: earn um and live below your means and invest the rest. Right, 1996 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:24,240 Speaker 1: so as your income increases, your cost of living should 1997 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:30,320 Speaker 1: either decrease or stay the same. Do not raise your 1998 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,960 Speaker 1: costs of living because you've got to raise. Take that 1999 01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:38,160 Speaker 1: difference between what you were earning and what you're now earning, 2000 01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:44,160 Speaker 1: and invested. Don't spend it. And the first person you 2001 01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:50,680 Speaker 1: invest in is you. Ties to you first. Take the 2002 01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,680 Speaker 1: money off the top, don't spend what you have to 2003 01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:56,160 Speaker 1: spend to pay your bills, and then invest what you 2004 01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:59,400 Speaker 1: got left. No no, no, no no no no, invest 2005 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:04,240 Speaker 1: in you first, and then uh. If you follow these 2006 01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,920 Speaker 1: three rules, there's no way that you cannot land on 2007 01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,960 Speaker 1: financial freedom. So that's that's that's what we are talking 2008 01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:14,200 Speaker 1: about financial freedom because we really, we really found out 2009 01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:19,559 Speaker 1: how free we were not doing this covid NT especially, 2010 01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:24,800 Speaker 1: we're showing the six habits that will keep us broke. 2011 01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:28,800 Speaker 1: There's six habits that will keep you broke. Right, not 2012 01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:32,400 Speaker 1: talking about money right not We don't talk about it 2013 01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,880 Speaker 1: in school, We generally don't talking about it around the 2014 01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:37,840 Speaker 1: family table. That will keep you broken. You've got to 2015 01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:43,559 Speaker 1: talk about money, Understand capitalism, understand money. So Talking about 2016 01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:47,639 Speaker 1: money will help prevent you from keeping broke. Talking about 2017 01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:51,080 Speaker 1: it around the family table, talking about it among your friends. 2018 01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:54,520 Speaker 1: It's more important than what what's happening on Real Housewives 2019 01:52:54,520 --> 01:53:01,519 Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Okay. Number two failing to build and emergency fund. Now, 2020 01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:04,439 Speaker 1: we've all been taught that we need to save some 2021 01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,519 Speaker 1: money for a rainy day. Well, this is going to 2022 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,320 Speaker 1: be a rainy two years. This pandemic, now, how everybody 2023 01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:14,080 Speaker 1: can relate to this? This pandemic has changed our whole 2024 01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:18,240 Speaker 1: financial mindset in terms of what we needed to have 2025 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,040 Speaker 1: put back for a long rainy day and what we 2026 01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:26,360 Speaker 1: actually had put back. So failing to build an emergency 2027 01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:30,120 Speaker 1: fund for more than six months, I would look at 2028 01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:32,720 Speaker 1: it now, for at least a year. What does it 2029 01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,599 Speaker 1: take for you to live to and maintain your standard 2030 01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:39,360 Speaker 1: of living for at least twelve months? Right, and make 2031 01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,920 Speaker 1: sure that you have that as cash available to you. 2032 01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,760 Speaker 1: Number three making impulse purchases. Let me say it in in 2033 01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,200 Speaker 1: a different way. I would rather carry a plastic bag 2034 01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:52,240 Speaker 1: with five thousand dollars in it and to carry a 2035 01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:54,799 Speaker 1: five thousand dollar Louis Vie tom bag with a hundred 2036 01:53:54,840 --> 01:54:00,120 Speaker 1: dollars in it. Stop making impulse purchases, right, because that's 2037 01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:05,599 Speaker 1: gonna drain you of your cash available. Number four buying 2038 01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:09,280 Speaker 1: items you don't need. Of course they on sale. Now 2039 01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,400 Speaker 1: I have to chastise my wife often about this, Dob, 2040 01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:14,479 Speaker 1: why do you was on to sale? I said, but 2041 01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:18,719 Speaker 1: you already got three of them, right, So buying stuff 2042 01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:24,759 Speaker 1: that you don't need. Manage your impulse buying. And number five, 2043 01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:29,960 Speaker 1: pay bills late because of the exorbitant interest rates. When 2044 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,920 Speaker 1: you pay your bills late, especially those credit cards. Man, 2045 01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:37,000 Speaker 1: you look at the annual interest rate on these credit cards, 2046 01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,160 Speaker 1: and if you're paying the minimum that you have to 2047 01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:42,000 Speaker 1: pay each month under you will never pay that credit 2048 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:49,680 Speaker 1: card off interest the minimum. Guy's right, Absolutely, you'll never 2049 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,680 Speaker 1: pay at off right. So don't pay your bills late. 2050 01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:58,800 Speaker 1: Don't pay the minimums. Always pay more. I try to 2051 01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:03,440 Speaker 1: pay double to triple the minimum. Pay a monk. I'm might, 2052 01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:08,960 Speaker 1: I might pay of what I owe. So that's number five. 2053 01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,960 Speaker 1: Don't pay bills late and don't pay minimums, as is 2054 01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:14,680 Speaker 1: the beautiful point you made. And number six and the 2055 01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:18,640 Speaker 1: improper use of credit cards. The improper use of credit cards. 2056 01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,600 Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago, I cut up all of my I 2057 01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:26,960 Speaker 1: have no credit cards. What I have are debit cards 2058 01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,560 Speaker 1: that are attached to my bank account for Sean, and 2059 01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:34,240 Speaker 1: I cannot spend any more than I have in my 2060 01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,880 Speaker 1: damn checking account. So you know, I'm thinking about every 2061 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,480 Speaker 1: time I use my debit card, and I got I 2062 01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:44,240 Speaker 1: got three or four of them because I have various banks, 2063 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:49,120 Speaker 1: various needs, but I can never spend any more than 2064 01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:54,280 Speaker 1: I have available right now right, so improper use of 2065 01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:59,120 Speaker 1: So these are habits that keep us broke. And we 2066 01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:03,720 Speaker 1: are also the is financially illiterate people in America. We 2067 01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,320 Speaker 1: are at the bottom of every single statistic that matters 2068 01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:11,120 Speaker 1: in this country economically, and so we need to educate ourselves, 2069 01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:14,680 Speaker 1: educate our children. This is related to talking about money 2070 01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:19,800 Speaker 1: and as a result of that, as a responsible leader 2071 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:24,280 Speaker 1: UH in this country as you are, we started our 2072 01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:29,960 Speaker 1: Winds Wealth Building Centers UM to address financial illiteracy in 2073 01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,440 Speaker 1: Black America because if the business of America is business, 2074 01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:39,040 Speaker 1: it is dangerous, rashan, and self defeating to be financially illiterately. Therefore, 2075 01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:43,240 Speaker 1: education is the answer. The key to a well round 2076 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:48,840 Speaker 1: as financial education is to align people's mindsets, their habits, 2077 01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:53,360 Speaker 1: their values and solutions with the importance of the overall 2078 01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:58,960 Speaker 1: goals of Black America, or according to numerous analytical statistics 2079 01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:03,200 Speaker 1: and studies and actions, we will ultimately if we don't 2080 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:09,560 Speaker 1: fix our financial badass habits right, we will be relegated 2081 01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:13,040 Speaker 1: to permanent second class citizenry and we will end up 2082 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:17,720 Speaker 1: in a second slavery. So we develop UH twenty eighteen 2083 01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:22,040 Speaker 1: the Wins Wealth Building Centers and curriculum to address, among 2084 01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:26,320 Speaker 1: other things, the psychology, the emotions, and our relationship with 2085 01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:31,440 Speaker 1: money in both the secular and non secular Black organizations, 2086 01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:34,640 Speaker 1: both the Church and other Black organizations. And we're sarftly 2087 01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:39,280 Speaker 1: focusing on our deep seat of struggle with instant versus 2088 01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,640 Speaker 1: delayed gratifications, one of the very bad habits that we have, 2089 01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:48,120 Speaker 1: and we're struggling with the basics of financial growth. UH 2090 01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:52,280 Speaker 1: to include, but is not limited to, the four pillars 2091 01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,480 Speaker 1: for the intergenerational transport of wealth. That is the essence 2092 01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,560 Speaker 1: of our Winds financial centers, and we've gotten over twenty 2093 01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:03,680 Speaker 1: Church is already involved with our curriculum and with our program, 2094 01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:07,120 Speaker 1: and those four pillars for the intergenerational don't have time 2095 01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:10,000 Speaker 1: to unpack them. This is what people are gonna learn 2096 01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:15,360 Speaker 1: at the Virtual Power Networking Conference October through But the 2097 01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:19,160 Speaker 1: fourth pillars very simply of the proper management of accumulated wealth, 2098 01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:22,520 Speaker 1: so that we can stop reading about entertainers and athletes 2099 01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:24,920 Speaker 1: that earn a hundred million dollars in their career and 2100 01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:28,400 Speaker 1: within five years or either broker and bankruptcy. The second 2101 01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:33,880 Speaker 1: pillar is real estate ownership, both residential and commercial real 2102 01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:38,080 Speaker 1: ESTATEUS horner Stone for the intergenerational transfer of wealth. The 2103 01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:42,080 Speaker 1: fourth with his business development, we are the consumption class 2104 01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,880 Speaker 1: in this country, uh White books. The merchant class. They 2105 01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,680 Speaker 1: make stuff and we buy. Stop doing that, brothers and sisters. 2106 01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:53,080 Speaker 1: If you sell something, sell something. In America, two things 2107 01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:57,480 Speaker 1: are going seven. Somebody's buying and somebody selling. Right, we're 2108 01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:00,000 Speaker 1: doing all today. I'm buying. So if you make cookies, 2109 01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:01,880 Speaker 1: so you know, put him in a box with your 2110 01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:04,480 Speaker 1: name on it and sell it to somebody. Right. If 2111 01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:07,320 Speaker 1: you live on a farm, take the manua, put it 2112 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,920 Speaker 1: in a bag, put your name on it, and sell 2113 01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:12,720 Speaker 1: it to somebody. You can become an entree manure. Okay, 2114 01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,640 Speaker 1: stop doing all the day an buying and sell something. 2115 01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:20,440 Speaker 1: This is extremely important. On this I'll give one final 2116 01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:25,240 Speaker 1: little quote by Bishop Tudor, Bishop Tudor Bismark. He wrote 2117 01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:29,680 Speaker 1: a wonderful book called Kingdom Economics, and I'm going to 2118 01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,680 Speaker 1: quote him, and he says, as black people, we have 2119 01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:39,960 Speaker 1: embarked upon a new millennium. And this millennium brings momentous change, 2120 01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:45,480 Speaker 1: receive differences in every fassett of society, cultural shifts, economic upheavals, 2121 01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:50,880 Speaker 1: political changes, and more. As believers, it is imperative not 2122 01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:54,760 Speaker 1: only must we be spiritually sound, but we must also 2123 01:59:55,120 --> 02:00:02,120 Speaker 1: establish a firm kingdom economic foundation. Must now unlock the 2124 02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:07,800 Speaker 1: keys to economic empowerment well. And to quote, I conclude 2125 02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:11,120 Speaker 1: with that, And so I'm recommending that the brothers and 2126 02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:14,320 Speaker 1: sisters out there, if you belong to a church family, 2127 02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:17,840 Speaker 1: talk to your pastor get in touch with us and 2128 02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:21,680 Speaker 1: put a Winds wealth building center. It's a little license agreement, 2129 02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:26,800 Speaker 1: and use our curriculum and start educating your congregation. You'll 2130 02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:30,000 Speaker 1: have a better congregation. You will have a more uh 2131 02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:33,600 Speaker 1: financial free congregation. There will be better at times, there 2132 02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:36,440 Speaker 1: will be better givers. So this is a very very 2133 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:40,760 Speaker 1: big and important idea that must be sustained over at 2134 02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:43,400 Speaker 1: least three or the next three or four generations. That's 2135 02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:47,200 Speaker 1: the that's important. Yeah, you're listening to money making conversations 2136 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:50,600 Speaker 1: with Rashan McDonald, will be right back. Cars today are 2137 02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:52,720 Speaker 1: like a computer on wheels, but you can fix any 2138 02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:55,240 Speaker 1: of these new features yourself, so when something breaks, it 2139 02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,280 Speaker 1: could cause you a fortune, and now is not the 2140 02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:00,360 Speaker 1: time for expensive repairs. 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Welcome 2157 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:52,760 Speaker 1: back to money making conversations, UM, your host Sean McDonald. 2158 02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:55,919 Speaker 1: You know, for an eighteen years, the Power Networking Conference 2159 02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,920 Speaker 1: has been the home of black entrepreneurs looking to connect. 2160 02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:02,560 Speaker 1: That's important when I say net growing prosper Forbes voted 2161 02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:05,240 Speaker 1: has voted it as one of the top five conferences 2162 02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:08,280 Speaker 1: in the world for entrepreneurs. They pride themselves on unique 2163 02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:11,800 Speaker 1: philosophy of network and building their financial legacy for your grandchildren. 2164 02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:14,320 Speaker 1: And this is about the future. Now. The interesting thing 2165 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:16,720 Speaker 1: about it, I was just involved in something with ESPN 2166 02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:20,320 Speaker 1: and HBCU Week and tween I had. It was a 2167 02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:24,160 Speaker 1: live event, George and I had thirty students attended live 2168 02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:28,440 Speaker 1: event College Fair. This year it was virtual and uh 2169 02:02:28,440 --> 02:02:32,120 Speaker 1: and I was concerned about the response last year with 2170 02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:36,520 Speaker 1: thirty dred attend HBCUE College Fair in eighteen. This year 2171 02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:40,360 Speaker 1: six thousand, one hundred and twenty five pre registered and 2172 02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:43,800 Speaker 1: four thousand, eight hundred and twenty three attended. I say 2173 02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:47,040 Speaker 1: that because if now I went from like a regional 2174 02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:50,120 Speaker 1: event a city event in Wilmington, Delaware too, I like 2175 02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:53,480 Speaker 1: to believe a global event and I feel that we 2176 02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:56,320 Speaker 1: can look at the negative side of what covid is 2177 02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,360 Speaker 1: doing to brick and mortar conferences. But I feel it's 2178 02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,000 Speaker 1: going to be a scene for your power networking that 2179 02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:06,280 Speaker 1: it is now virtual. Correct If I was, if I 2180 02:03:06,360 --> 02:03:09,440 Speaker 1: was in front of you, Rashaun, I want to hug you, uh, 2181 02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,680 Speaker 1: because you just snatched the thought and the words right 2182 02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:17,080 Speaker 1: out of my mind. Yes, there's downsize and there's upside 2183 02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:21,600 Speaker 1: to everything. And the pandemic has changed us a bit 2184 02:03:21,720 --> 02:03:26,000 Speaker 1: prematurely into a virtual world. There's no question about it. 2185 02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:28,880 Speaker 1: And it ain't going away when the pandemic is over 2186 02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:33,040 Speaker 1: because this is so convenient and and and it's so easy. 2187 02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:35,880 Speaker 1: You can learn, you can connect with people and your 2188 02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:41,120 Speaker 1: bunny slippers and bathrobe, okay, virtually. So this is why 2189 02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:45,800 Speaker 1: we couldn't give our live virtual conference in Houston, Texas 2190 02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:48,840 Speaker 1: back in July. I mean I would be stoned if 2191 02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,320 Speaker 1: I took to a hundred people to Houston, Texas. Uh, 2192 02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:56,320 Speaker 1: and they were, you know, in the red on the pandemic. 2193 02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,360 Speaker 1: So we had to tune it into a virtual conference 2194 02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:03,920 Speaker 1: and down We are promoting it in sixty six countries 2195 02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:09,680 Speaker 1: around the world, and we have already already three thousand 2196 02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:13,520 Speaker 1: people that have signed up for it. Okay, I mean, 2197 02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:17,440 Speaker 1: that's how awesome this is. And you can we reach 2198 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,400 Speaker 1: more people, we can connect with more people, we can 2199 02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:24,240 Speaker 1: educate more people, we can encourage more people, we can 2200 02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:28,440 Speaker 1: inspire more people. It is awesome and an ain't going away. 2201 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:32,560 Speaker 1: And the reason I love it is because last year 2202 02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:39,160 Speaker 1: we launched at our conference the first virtual nation called 2203 02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:42,880 Speaker 1: Fraser Nation. It was a virtual that this is before 2204 02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:46,080 Speaker 1: the pandemic. So I'm not you know, I'm not a soothsayer. 2205 02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:49,400 Speaker 1: I can't predict the future. I was not predicting a 2206 02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,880 Speaker 1: pandemic that would make everything go virtual. But I said, 2207 02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:57,520 Speaker 1: I think we can have a virtual nation, right, and 2208 02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:01,560 Speaker 1: so what is this going to do. It's very is simply, um, 2209 02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:06,640 Speaker 1: We're going to provide access uh through overall training and 2210 02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:10,720 Speaker 1: coaching and modeling that is needed by our citizens and 2211 02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:14,920 Speaker 1: therefore help improve the recycling of black dollars and intellectual 2212 02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:18,760 Speaker 1: capital among our citizens and allies. It's going to be 2213 02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:23,760 Speaker 1: this massive database of pop black professionals, business owners, and 2214 02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:27,560 Speaker 1: community leaders right that they will be able to access 2215 02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:31,640 Speaker 1: the intellectual capital. There will be access of the products 2216 02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:36,000 Speaker 1: and services that black people fell around the world, right, 2217 02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:40,440 Speaker 1: and the entire Pan African diaspora when you look at 2218 02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:44,760 Speaker 1: the businesses that we own and and and and we're 2219 02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:47,800 Speaker 1: not supporting like we should support. So this will help 2220 02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:52,760 Speaker 1: the connectivity of that. And it's going to provide this 2221 02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of database and virtual meetings and virtual conferences and 2222 02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:05,240 Speaker 1: virtual uh uh summits and virtual workshops right because virtual 2223 02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:08,240 Speaker 1: ain't going away. That's what that's I love it. That's 2224 02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:10,440 Speaker 1: that's why I just said because a lot of people 2225 02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,800 Speaker 1: don't understand that is that you can't look at it 2226 02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:15,160 Speaker 1: as being naked and being negative because there's a brick 2227 02:06:15,160 --> 02:06:17,360 Speaker 1: and mortar and the goals of Fraser that are simple, 2228 02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:20,320 Speaker 1: help black people build wealth that can be transferred into 2229 02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:24,760 Speaker 1: generational wealth opportunity for the future, helped black people become 2230 02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:27,880 Speaker 1: the number one employer black people in the century, to 2231 02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:32,240 Speaker 1: facility building their global network of Africans throughout the diaspora 2232 02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:36,240 Speaker 1: who is personal and business excellent and using it to 2233 02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:41,120 Speaker 1: build partnerships too, adventures and strategic alliances. That's very key 2234 02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:44,960 Speaker 1: right there. Networking, and now the whole virtual thing has 2235 02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:50,440 Speaker 1: been normalized normally. That's George, I'm a was so excited. 2236 02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:54,360 Speaker 1: I am so excited for your brand because you know, 2237 02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,680 Speaker 1: we stumbled up on because of the cod the team, 2238 02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:02,000 Speaker 1: the real purpose because you know, not that we didn't write, 2239 02:07:02,120 --> 02:07:03,720 Speaker 1: We didn't know, you know, we were just doing what 2240 02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:06,560 Speaker 1: everybody to do. You know, IBM does it. All the 2241 02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:09,680 Speaker 1: big corporations do these brick and mortar. But you had 2242 02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:12,880 Speaker 1: to be trained in the pandemic, trained people to look 2243 02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:16,800 Speaker 1: at TV to zoom, Instagram, live, Facebook, last, So everybody's 2244 02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of like there now and so now your brand 2245 02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:23,760 Speaker 1: becomes what it's supposed to be, a global brand. Joy 2246 02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:28,320 Speaker 1: there you go, there you go, there you go, no 2247 02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:31,520 Speaker 1: question about it and what brothers like you promoting it. 2248 02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is very inportant what you're doing, 2249 02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:39,040 Speaker 1: what you're saying, your reach or your credibility, the way 2250 02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,560 Speaker 1: people trust you. I mean, this is, this is, this 2251 02:07:42,600 --> 02:07:46,280 Speaker 1: is this is the goal standard of how we get 2252 02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:50,760 Speaker 1: this out and used by our people. We've got to 2253 02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:55,440 Speaker 1: have people like you talking about it. And you talk 2254 02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:58,240 Speaker 1: about it better than I do. I mean you know 2255 02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:01,680 Speaker 1: why because you see it, see it, you see it 2256 02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:05,360 Speaker 1: your avictionary, you see it. You know what the possibilities are. 2257 02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,880 Speaker 1: You know that we have to do this. We don't 2258 02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:13,960 Speaker 1: have any choice. Yeah, what we have to do is 2259 02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:18,440 Speaker 1: create the instruments of vessels and two tools for us 2260 02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:22,240 Speaker 1: to do it, and then move it through UH, the 2261 02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:30,360 Speaker 1: UH marketing and advertising, radio, television, social media system that 2262 02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:34,960 Speaker 1: is so targeted and so effectively utilized by black people. 2263 02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,879 Speaker 1: And it will it will work, There's no question about it. 2264 02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:41,920 Speaker 1: It's really interesting because you know, sometimes you you know 2265 02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:44,760 Speaker 1: in God, this is all. This is about God and 2266 02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:47,840 Speaker 1: vision and then building on it because first it was 2267 02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,240 Speaker 1: in July brick and mortar, right, brick and mortar, because 2268 02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:52,400 Speaker 1: we talked about a year in advance. You said, I'm 2269 02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:54,840 Speaker 1: kind of Houston. I said, you know, and you gotta 2270 02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:57,920 Speaker 1: be there for your joy. COVID hit in March. Then 2271 02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:01,120 Speaker 1: we moved into October fourteen through this seventeen, still in 2272 02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Houston at the Hilton America's okay now, okay, we are 2273 02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:10,720 Speaker 1: virtual October twenty six through. That means that we went 2274 02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:14,360 Speaker 1: from a Houston event to a global ban. I want 2275 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,720 Speaker 1: everybody to understand that that means that you can be 2276 02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:19,120 Speaker 1: in Africa, you can be in England, you can be 2277 02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:22,280 Speaker 1: in France, you can be in Mexico, you can be 2278 02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:26,360 Speaker 1: in Canada, and now you can participate in this conference. 2279 02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:31,120 Speaker 1: And that it is so important that we tell everybody this. 2280 02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:33,320 Speaker 1: I want you to take off your little narrow hats 2281 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:36,480 Speaker 1: about how can I participate. You don't have to get 2282 02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:40,040 Speaker 1: on the plane. This has been conceptionalized to be very 2283 02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:43,440 Speaker 1: network friendly for all the things that he's always talking about, 2284 02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:47,960 Speaker 1: meet millionaires, potential partners, investors, and build your network, workshop speaks, 2285 02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:51,840 Speaker 1: all these thing registration, student registrations, a v IP registration, 2286 02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:56,000 Speaker 1: ultra v IP registrations, all these things, seminars, all these 2287 02:09:56,040 --> 02:10:00,520 Speaker 1: things are available now virtually. That's amazing easy to me. 2288 02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:03,120 Speaker 1: That's you know, you know, I'm fired up. I'm gonna 2289 02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:07,720 Speaker 1: tell you something because I got three Wednesdays and any thousand, 2290 02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm promoting every wins every two weeks. I'm promoting this. 2291 02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:13,240 Speaker 1: You better sign up, you better sign up, better sign up, 2292 02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:15,440 Speaker 1: because we want to get dead nover with ten thousand. 2293 02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:18,800 Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, just think about that. I mean, 2294 02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:23,360 Speaker 1: when's the last time ten thousand black people from all 2295 02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:27,600 Speaker 1: over the diaspora were able to come together around a 2296 02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:32,400 Speaker 1: common vision right with instruction motivation. Some of the best 2297 02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:36,440 Speaker 1: and baddest speakers and preachers on the planet, the Reverend 2298 02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Reverendever Freddie Haynes, clostest Our talk every year. Jamal Bryant 2299 02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:44,360 Speaker 1: opens the talk every year, and I mean we can 2300 02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:47,760 Speaker 1: just voice Watkins will be it will be there. The doctor. 2301 02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:51,120 Speaker 1: I just finished recording the interview with Dr Julius Scary, 2302 02:10:51,200 --> 02:10:55,600 Speaker 1: the son of Marcus Scarffy, right, incredible interviews that I 2303 02:10:55,600 --> 02:10:58,080 Speaker 1: did with him. So you can go down the list. 2304 02:10:58,680 --> 02:11:02,800 Speaker 1: It's just incredible. If you want to know more about 2305 02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:07,120 Speaker 1: the virtual power Networking comperence, just go to uh www 2306 02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:12,360 Speaker 1: Power Networking Conference dot com. Www Power Networking Conference dot com. 2307 02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,960 Speaker 1: It's uh it's in fact, you can't find a link 2308 02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:18,880 Speaker 1: or something that just email me. You just email you 2309 02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,680 Speaker 1: very simply A G. Fraser, f R A S and 2310 02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:25,680 Speaker 1: Samy are at fraser net dot com. G. Fraser at 2311 02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,880 Speaker 1: fraser net dot com and I'll make sure you get 2312 02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:35,000 Speaker 1: everything you need to know to In fact, Dr George C. Fraser, 2313 02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:38,920 Speaker 1: he's a renowned networking Gurgle chairman. And see not emailing 2314 02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:42,400 Speaker 1: just anybody not in the system. Dr George C. Fraser, 2315 02:11:42,440 --> 02:11:45,720 Speaker 1: that's what you internet. Renowned networking Google chairman and CEO 2316 02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,440 Speaker 1: Fraser Net, a company he found it over thirty two 2317 02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:52,280 Speaker 1: years ago to lead global networking economic development movement. For 2318 02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:57,000 Speaker 1: people of African descent. That's Frasier. That a belief that 2319 02:11:57,200 --> 02:12:01,400 Speaker 1: we should be in the game, not as buyers, but 2320 02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:05,240 Speaker 1: as sellers people product. Put your name on something, to 2321 02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,400 Speaker 1: become an entrepreneur, telling you how you can become an entrepreneurs, 2322 02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:11,040 Speaker 1: putting a plan in place so you can win, not 2323 02:12:11,200 --> 02:12:13,320 Speaker 1: only just short term, long term, because that's what this 2324 02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:15,360 Speaker 1: is all about. Because everybody go out there, they want 2325 02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:17,320 Speaker 1: to do something, they have a plan in place that's 2326 02:12:17,320 --> 02:12:20,520 Speaker 1: short term success. We're trying to create long term success. 2327 02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:23,480 Speaker 1: And Frazier that that's why it's virtual. That's why October 2328 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:27,400 Speaker 1: twenty six, That's why he's always on my show. It's 2329 02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:29,680 Speaker 1: when I feel blessed I'm able to bring somebody of 2330 02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,000 Speaker 1: his caliber on my show. He always be hyping me up. 2331 02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:34,200 Speaker 1: I'll be hyped because he's one of the few people 2332 02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:37,640 Speaker 1: I just I just let him talk. I just terrupt periodically, 2333 02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:41,200 Speaker 1: just drop some dimes. Remind everybody how gifted it is 2334 02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:43,760 Speaker 1: to even hear him talk like this. I put three 2335 02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:47,280 Speaker 1: of his life change and quotes on my Monday Motivation 2336 02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:51,320 Speaker 1: with his picture. It was the highest life post of 2337 02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:54,920 Speaker 1: the year on my Monday Motivation. Yes sir, Yes, Sir, 2338 02:12:55,240 --> 02:12:56,640 Speaker 1: I told you I was gonna do that. Remember I 2339 02:12:56,720 --> 02:13:00,480 Speaker 1: told us I am going to promote you. I'm going 2340 02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:04,160 Speaker 1: it was the most like post. It was incredible, incredible 2341 02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:07,720 Speaker 1: because your belief and your values mean something to people. 2342 02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:10,360 Speaker 1: What I like to always say is that that's why 2343 02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited about the virtual UH event. Frasier that this year, 2344 02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:17,240 Speaker 1: because you're just a hidden gym your networks, not saying 2345 02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:19,440 Speaker 1: that you're not NOTKNN, I don't want was something like that. 2346 02:13:19,760 --> 02:13:25,440 Speaker 1: But this virtual platform allows more people to participate. And 2347 02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,120 Speaker 1: just like I said earlier about the HBCU week, we 2348 02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:33,360 Speaker 1: did with ESPN Disney and thirty undred students attended live 2349 02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:37,280 Speaker 1: last year, six thousand, one hundred and twenty five pre 2350 02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:41,760 Speaker 1: registered virtually four thousand, eight hundred twenty three came to 2351 02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:46,720 Speaker 1: the Virtual experience. People are ready for the change. You 2352 02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:50,480 Speaker 1: are going to have an incredible experience. Mr Fraser. Such 2353 02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:54,120 Speaker 1: a such a blessing, such a God bless you, Shaan, 2354 02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:57,520 Speaker 1: God bless you, and God bless all that you mean 2355 02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:01,600 Speaker 1: to us. And you're serving leadership because you are a servant. 2356 02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you just are incredible. And how you manage 2357 02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:08,120 Speaker 1: that and how you've focused on that emphasize that it's 2358 02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:10,960 Speaker 1: all in your voice and in your spirit. And so 2359 02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to close with giving the brothers instance out 2360 02:14:15,200 --> 02:14:18,440 Speaker 1: here a little tip on how to build your passive 2361 02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:21,040 Speaker 1: income to build your pack position. Not be a black 2362 02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:24,720 Speaker 1: person in America with a single stream of income, right 2363 02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:27,360 Speaker 1: like all of us should have multiple streams of income 2364 02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:30,120 Speaker 1: and code what we call a passive income. So take 2365 02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:33,480 Speaker 1: your nine to five income, if you've got a job, 2366 02:14:34,360 --> 02:14:37,360 Speaker 1: of us, have a job, take your nine to five 2367 02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:44,040 Speaker 1: income and use that to fuel your side us okay, 2368 02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:47,080 Speaker 1: whatever that may be. Sell something that's your side hustle, 2369 02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:51,800 Speaker 1: and then use your side hustle to fuel the money 2370 02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:55,440 Speaker 1: you get from that to fuel your investments. Because you're 2371 02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna get extra money and you're going to invest that money. 2372 02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't care if the scripto currency, stock spawns or 2373 02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:04,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Whatever, vote your boat, invest your side 2374 02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:09,760 Speaker 1: hustle money, and then take your investments, and over time 2375 02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:18,200 Speaker 1: your investments will replace your nine That's the goal. That's 2376 02:15:18,240 --> 02:15:23,720 Speaker 1: the goals. I want to appreciate you again. My newsletter 2377 02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:26,040 Speaker 1: goes out this Wednesday. You will have a band internet. 2378 02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:29,360 Speaker 1: I got two more winsdays before October twenty six through 2379 02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:33,160 Speaker 1: to eight. That's the Virtual phraser Net conference originally was 2380 02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:36,240 Speaker 1: held in Houston, Nashill for the world to participate. I 2381 02:15:36,280 --> 02:15:39,360 Speaker 1: love saying that is now being held for the world 2382 02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:49,360 Speaker 1: to be a participant. Like I said, Dr Cee, it's 2383 02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:52,240 Speaker 1: a blessing. Come on die but again, thank you, come 2384 02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:54,960 Speaker 1: on the show, and I I gotta do my job now, Jack. 2385 02:15:55,080 --> 02:15:57,880 Speaker 1: See you always give me instructions, but you don't even 2386 02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:00,280 Speaker 1: know it. See when you come on myself, Dr Rason, 2387 02:16:00,640 --> 02:16:03,000 Speaker 1: you put me to work in a positive manner because 2388 02:16:03,320 --> 02:16:05,760 Speaker 1: I said okay, I said okay. You know it's like 2389 02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:08,320 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you're the pope of entrepreneurship. To me, 2390 02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,760 Speaker 1: you're the pope. Now you know the popeman came the town, 2391 02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:13,400 Speaker 1: he didn't blessed everybody with information. And now I guess 2392 02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:15,680 Speaker 1: what we I get busy and spread the word. So 2393 02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:17,800 Speaker 1: that my mission right now is to spread the word 2394 02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:21,320 Speaker 1: A fraser that coming October twenty six through twenty eight. 2395 02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:30,440 Speaker 1: People doing thirty October. Well, I apologize, I've been trading 2396 02:16:30,440 --> 02:16:31,800 Speaker 1: that out and I've said that a couple of times 2397 02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:35,720 Speaker 1: from October through the thirties. October through the thirties is 2398 02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:39,520 Speaker 1: the date that we're gonna do Frasier that virtual worldwide. 2399 02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:42,800 Speaker 1: My friend, we talked soon. Okay, I love you, Let 2400 02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:47,280 Speaker 1: me thank you. If you want to hear more money 2401 02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:50,400 Speaker 1: Making Conversations, please go to money Making Conversation dot com. 2402 02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:52,280 Speaker 1: I was Sean McDonald. I'm your host.