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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here as always

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and body move in. Both of my

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Speaker 3: Guys. Uh yeah it feel free to hatch you if

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Speaker 3: you have to. If you have to dip, we understand.

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Speaker 3: I'll chatcha out of here. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know, Courtney's like pounding the halls. So if you're

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Speaker 2: listening and tuning in and are struggling with this infamous

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Speaker 2: whatever is being spread through wherever, we're with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're with you. You. We're in great companies. Settle in.

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Speaker 2: Let's all pour ourselves some hot tea because yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have a stack knight of headlines, guys. Jury's selection begins

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Speaker 2: in the Alexander brothers case, all three brothers being brought

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Speaker 2: up on sex trafficking charges. Also, the prosecution has rested

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Speaker 2: in the Opeyer murder case. We talked about this in

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Speaker 2: length last night. Frankly, this case has got us all

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Speaker 2: glued Frankly. And then Timothy Busfield, you know Melissa Gilbert's husband,

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Speaker 2: who was brought in on abuse charges, some really devastating charges.

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Speaker 2: He's been released on bail. This just in as we

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Speaker 2: come on the air, so so much to discuss. And

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Speaker 2: also later in the show, we finally have our backs,

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Speaker 2: have her back, our safety online expert.

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Speaker 3: We wmber to love her. She's the greatest.

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Speaker 2: Katie Greer is joining us again and keeping us safe

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Speaker 2: and how to keep our kids safe and all the

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Speaker 2: online stuff that we need to know. So all the

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Speaker 2: halls aside. Again, if you're not feeling one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: up for it, just give us.

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Speaker 3: A shout out.

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, I needed to be here to talk about

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Speaker 4: the Alexander brothers because I have been on big watch

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Speaker 4: for them. So their jury selection began today and it's

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Speaker 4: in the same Manhattan Federal courtroom as the Diddy trial

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Speaker 4: took place. And as you said, it's for a sex

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Speaker 4: trafficking trial that is upcoming. These Alexander brothers, Oran tal

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Speaker 4: and a Lawn, two twins and one who's one year older.

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Speaker 4: They're both two our luxury real estate brokers who shattered

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Speaker 4: different records of selling the most expensive houses.

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Speaker 3: And then Orrin is a excuse me.

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Speaker 4: And then a lawn is a former executive at the

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Speaker 4: family security firm as well as a lawyer will get

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Speaker 4: a little bit into the family as well.

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Speaker 2: Again, they're very educated, Like this is a very stand up,

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Speaker 3: I say that in quotes. Can you imagine? No, I would,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that in your quotes. I mean I think, no,

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Speaker 3: they're your privileges and wealthy and very wealthy. I think

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Speaker 3: you're on the nose their stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine they come from a good background, right, yes,

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Speaker 2: financially speaking, at the very.

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Speaker 3: Least, financially speaking, I mean they could afford a good education,

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, what they're accused of, if it ain't great, it's

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Speaker 4: it's that they had a coordinated scheme over two decades

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Speaker 4: and they use this wealth and privilege and social status

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Speaker 4: and access to luxury travel to lure women before drugging

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Speaker 4: and sexually assaulting them. This investigation has grown to include

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Speaker 4: five dozen women, sixty sixty alleged victims.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean's astonished that again they're brothers.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean these brothers are you know, drugging and

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Speaker 3: Same women sometimes in some instances the same time, they

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Speaker 3: Is this like they're in the club. Yeah, imagine they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unbeknownst to them, these beautiful young girls go over

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Speaker 2: Maybe but these guys and suddenly the drugs come out,

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Speaker 3: A little sideways or they got stuck in.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, often it's just as you guys were saying,

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Speaker 4: who's just get pretty girls and terrifying me. Well, Katie

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Speaker 4: Greyer will get into that later for.

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Speaker 3: Instances bring that up because that's a tonight topic.

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Speaker 4: Good good, But yeah, the ruse was kind of they

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Speaker 4: then they would be assaulted. They were like drugging them

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Speaker 4: in some of the instances, just straight absolutely. And then

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Speaker 4: there's an Okay, here's one where this is called good lawyering.

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Speaker 4: There's a new charge of an underage allegation and it's

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Speaker 4: a revised indictment that alleges that back in two thousand

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Speaker 4: and nine, or an Alexander is accused of persuading an

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Speaker 4: that could be filmed. The defense attorney's argument is, hey,

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Speaker 4: her birth certificate can't be authenticated because it's in a

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Speaker 4: former it was issued in the former Soviet Republic, and

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Speaker 4: now it's a war zone.

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Speaker 3: So that's how they're.

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Speaker 2: It seems like these guys have a very if if

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Speaker 2: what they're saying is accurate or real disregard for women

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Speaker 2: in general, how is that possible that three brothers, there's

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Speaker 2: very little to be gleaned about just you know, sort

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Speaker 2: of allegedly there's a fourth brother. Mom was quoted at

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Speaker 3: Is, But what is it?

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Speaker 2: Ha been like this is a real pack mentality, And

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Speaker 2: at least they were what they're being accused of.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they were like so fancy that they grew up

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Speaker 3: don't know, I really don't know. I'm literally just guessing

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Speaker 2: Maybe like all that money in the world, and like,

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Speaker 2: how does this gets so so bad? You see these

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Speaker 2: these sleeveless vests that they have to wear in this

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Speaker 3: So they were on the cover very serious are they?

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Speaker 3: Are they in those vests and whatnot?

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Speaker 2: In front of the jury there will jury selection had

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Speaker 2: you know, we know that that that particular jail is

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Speaker 2: no joke. So this is serious stuff that they're up against,

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Speaker 6: Am I the only one that thinks that if for me,

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Speaker 6: if I had that kind of money, like, why would

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Speaker 7: Like it's almost like you can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think you would have would have so

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Speaker 2: little regard for them? Well and nothing, they're not even women.

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Speaker 2: It's just like background noise.

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Speaker 3: And when you when you can buy anything you want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, these are the allegations.

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Speaker 2: Now, the other side of that, as they've said or

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Speaker 2: high school things that have been brought into question, is

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Speaker 2: that listen, they were just privileged and a little promiscuous,

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Speaker 3: Right, So how do you know?

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Speaker 2: This is a tough one to get back from and

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Speaker 2: can one of them actually have a fair trial out

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Speaker 2: of context of the other two?

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a are they tied together. I'm assuming

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Speaker 4: That's my understanding is all three, which is interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's pretty astounding.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: We have a little bit of info on their background.

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Speaker 4: And listen, if you're just joining us, we're talking about

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Speaker 4: the Alexander brothers and the sexual assault trial that is

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Speaker 4: upcoming juris selections.

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Speaker 3: Gun. We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 4: Give us a call eighty eight three one crime or

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Speaker 4: leave us a talk back. So the three sons, they

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Speaker 4: they were known for sort of being arrogant and hard partying,

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Speaker 4: and they had just a small clique of privileged boys.

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Speaker 3: Kind of what you'd picture with what they grew in

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Speaker 3: being accused of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what they're being accused of, you know. And

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Speaker 4: these are these are people who've been interviewed from the past,

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Speaker 3: This is back in the high school days.

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Speaker 4: And not like that, no, no, And they also grew

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Speaker 2: You gotta remember too, the times are very different. Remember

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Speaker 2: the ones with the Playboy Mansion, the TV show with

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Speaker 2: oh yeah you Hefner, right so? And what was the

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Speaker 2: flashing themselves show? Oh my gosh, Francis Joe Francis, right so,

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Speaker 2: the blurry line, it seems like there's a reckoning on that,

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Speaker 2: and I think part of the productive conversation is that

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Speaker 2: it's not that blurry consent is not grandfathered in. Somebody

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Speaker 2: being tried at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Posted yeah right, well and pre Epstein right, pre Epstein salary,

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Speaker 3: where are the files still nothing? I might add, where

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Speaker 3: are like to know, I feel like sometimes this is

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Speaker 3: all just a show, right, because like they're not going

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Speaker 3: to release those files, so let's get these guys very possible.

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Speaker 2: It like feeds up the news cycle lots of interesting

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Speaker 2: and scary things to point to that also, look.

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Speaker 3: The government is prosecuting people that do these kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: Look that there's a minor Oh my goodness, so many

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Speaker 3: people do all that we care things about, right miners.

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Speaker 4: And there was one that I wanted to point one

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Speaker 4: recently that I think points to a pattern. So, so

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Speaker 4: back again in high school and this is Orrin and

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Speaker 4: Alan when they were sophomore is a fourteen year old

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Speaker 3: Where there other siblings? If so, where do they live?

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Speaker 4: Well, there is a lot prosecutors. They have rested and

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Speaker 4: if you're not super familiar, the forty year old Brendan

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Speaker 3: Literal cliche, exactly like the lifetime to any right, like

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Speaker 4: So, literally two months after starting this affair, the suspect

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Speaker 4: And this guy, Brendan Banfield, the guy on trial, tried

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Speaker 2: Basically they create this like kinky, sexy little profile so

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Speaker 3: What is happening with this man? Dude, he's he's a joke.

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Speaker 4: Right right, the length body are correct, are extraordinary. We

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Speaker 2: A deep dive on this guy, because again, where was

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Speaker 3: To be well and Stephanie. He told Jonathan Ryan, the victim,

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Speaker 3: She got a bunch of you know passes. Dare I say,

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Speaker 3: Like her mugshot, she looks nothing in the snapchat photos.

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Speaker 3: No, she's just princess. She's the worst.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she went outside testing the screams from outside, and

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: She is wicked. Wow, stupid, stupid woman is taking photos

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Speaker 2: Right, it's so stupid these people are here now she

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Speaker 2: is again just showing the optics.

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00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: Of Oh, yes, go ahead. You know what else I get.

441
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: I am so worked up about this. You are your

442
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: hands air right, they are. I just look the victim,

443
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: Jonathan Ryan, right, imagine what his family thought they thought

444
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: he I mean, because this is what they were. They

445
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: thought he broke into that house to rake that woman,

446
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: and she and he and she or the husband killed

447
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: him exactly. Now imagine that family and what they went

448
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: good point. Yeah, it's just it's just I just get

449
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: so fired up because it's so disgusting.

450
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 7: It's disgusting.

451
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: And what a great point that you highlighting that exclamation point.

452
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: Let's put a ridiculous the poor guy highlighter and yellow

453
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: through that.

454
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: He did nothing wrong, He did nothing, and.

455
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 6: Now even his sex life is on display for everybody

456
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 6: year that he you know, don't even.

457
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: Know if he's a kid, but just it just it

458
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: pisses me off.

459
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: Well, thankfully Brendan Banfield's one on trial who will hopefully

460
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: spend if all of this is true, And I gotta

461
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: be honest, guys, how could it not?

462
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: Like I think, I think, I think it's very, very

463
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: possible that the all pair is under you know, uh,

464
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 3: does you know she's basically under evaluate you saying what

465
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: she her participation in this trial or in this case,

466
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 3: I think she's making her participation. Look, you know, I

467
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: don't really do anything. You know, no, she did. She

468
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: took the last shot. She took the last shot. This

469
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: is n and Ryan. She is not good in this.

470
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: It's actually very scary that she seems so nonchalant. Actually

471
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: it just irritates me.

472
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: And the lead up because Brendan Banfield was taking the

473
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: up pair. She to the shooting range and she had

474
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: pictures in addition to pictures of them in the bathtub

475
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: with Banfield's face covered, pictures of her shooting practicing for

476
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 4: when this event was going to happen, Pictures of his

477
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: hand on her leg. Oh, I'm so in love.

478
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Yet she's she's caring for this wife's children, right, yes, Oh,

479
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: I remember the heart of it. You know they were

480
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: a family. Brutal it really is. And just briefly there

481
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: were today in court. It was pretty technical.

482
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 4: There were bloodstained pattern analysis by a forensic expert and

483
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 4: it basically shows that the body could not have been

484
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: moved to the position that it was and matched the bloodstains.

485
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 4: So quote is it's not exactly yes or no question.

486
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: Could a first person fall back with their hands on

487
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: their chin, That's a possibility. Could they do that and

488
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 4: have all the other bloodstains where they are? That doesn't

489
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: work together. So it was staged. And so this is

490
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: just the technical part of it.

491
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: They staged it, like all of that. Just think about

492
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: this messy relationship. And she's about shoes walking, yes, blood,

493
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: she's walking in those shoes. They're doing they're staging. They're thinking,

494
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: they have to communicate. I mean, imagine like the moments

495
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: that you have to be connected to this person. You

496
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: just committed the most heinous act imaginable.

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: But they're in this primary bedroom, moving things around, walking

498
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: through Stein's blood, John's blood, and where's the kid? Yeah? Great,

499
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: she took base moving his mother's body around exactly like

500
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: these people have no regard, no regard.

501
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't either, and like I hate that. Yeah,

502
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: I know, it's yeah, that really irritates me that she

503
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: got a deal. They must not have had enough on

504
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: their own. I mean, this is a this is a

505
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: pretty big plea deal in my opinion. And what does

506
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: she get she gets to walk away, does she get

507
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: money or anything?

508
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: This open? Was this a wicked, wicked plan that maybe

509
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: she came up with.

510
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 7: Oh you mean with the plan with him?

511
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: Oh?

512
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. We should dig into that. Well,

513
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: she was.

514
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: There was court testimony that she was, I believe, offered

515
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: money for her story, for someone to buy her story.

516
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: So that she said click.

517
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 7: I don't know.

518
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: I was.

519
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: I had a giggle. I was like, I don't know.

520
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 6: We did say it was Netflix and it was about

521
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 6: ten thousand dollars that she was offered for I called.

522
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she's like, oh, the producers called,

523
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, she called specifically Netflix, which was funny.

524
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: There's no, well, there's no for that one too.

525
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 7: I think, I don't know, we still have it.

526
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: We just sounded like yeah, and then the producers of

527
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: the Big TV show call.

528
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: It sounded like she had very grandiose We have that.

529
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 6: Clip if you want to hear yeah for that one, like,

530
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 6: let's see if we can play that.

531
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't mean to laugh. I'm not being glib about

532
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: you were charged.

533
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: With murder because you shot someone? Am I wrong?

534
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: Why are not?

535
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 5: And so why would you deserve something because of that?

536
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 9: Not because of that?

537
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: I didn't say that I deserved something because of Okay,

538
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: what I did, I didn't. I didn't hear any details,

539
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: So feel free to tell me why. I'm saying after

540
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 5: when this is over, for me and my family.

541
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 7: So I guess she's basically saying I need this.

542
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 6: This money was for me and my family afterwards the

543
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 6: ten thousand that allegedly Netflix offered her for her story.

544
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: But that judge is a saint.

545
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: By the way, how lovely and nice and impartial was

546
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: that judge. I didn't catch his name, but just shows

547
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: you what a tough job that is.

548
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: And she has she's been charged, well she's so she

549
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: plaid down the manslaughter. So she's not going to get

550
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: all life is over like she's just destroyed her entire life.

551
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: This said family that she's going to get paid ten

552
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: thousand dollars from some facacta pretend TV show that she's

553
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: made up in her head that's going to save the

554
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: day after she's put in prison from murdering two people

555
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: and she shot the final bullet in one of their

556
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: heads because she was taking care of a child in

557
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: a woman's home and then she got sexy time with

558
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: the weird husband wanted them in and swapped the photos

559
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: out and like hired a BDSM sex worker or even

560
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: to somebody not even a sex worker. I even take

561
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: that back. This like somebody that was just looking for

562
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: a time, and you know, consenting adults looking for a time,

563
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: whatever your thing is.

564
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: Who are we to say?

565
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: This poor guy shows up and they deal with them

566
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: the au pair, Right, it's what.

567
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: I wonder what his defense is going to be. So

568
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: the defense is going to present now, right, I'm gonna

569
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: blame it on her.

570
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: That's right, He's gonna blame He's gonna blame it on

571
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: her absolutely young thing. And at that point, right, like yeah,

572
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: the defense has already argued that the evidence is insufficient

573
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: and that the all pair was flip.

574
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: And so that'll exactly be a body.

575
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I absolutely believe that Courtney, your voice has gotten so

576
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: much stronger, just even in this last hour.

577
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: Okay, it's a little combo of soothing tea. I don't

578
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: promote them. I think we all should those soothing tea

579
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: if you're out there. And then Halls has this particular

580
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: brand of not the regular Halls, but it's a like

581
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: extra coding that helps. I should actually send them to you, guys.

582
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: It helped it. You have those all the time, like

583
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: you love a Halls. It's a it's almost a pick.

584
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: I always yeah, yeah, all right, but you're feeling you're

585
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: feeling okay.

586
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: The vocal cords. I'm feeling great, okay, good. Because when

587
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: you first came on, I was like, oh my goodness,

588
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: I do you want to go take a nap?

589
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: We got it from I had been taking a nap,

590
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: so it was when you first wake up, it's.

591
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: Well, if you don't feel well, you have to peel off.

592
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: Although we'll miss.

593
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: You, we will totally understand. It sounds like everybody's getting

594
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: you feeling better. So everybody's good energy coming your way

595
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: seems to be helping.

596
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely definitely sending some good energy. Now I have something

597
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: an update on Timothy Busfield. So after Timothy Busfield's that

598
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: the he's the husband of Melissa Gilbert, right, And there

599
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: were some pretty terrible allegations made against him by a

600
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: couple of wins. Right, And these twins were young when

601
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: it happened. But I'm going to tell you what happened

602
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: in court today. So after a two hour hearing today,

603
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: a judge rule that Timothy Bussfield will be released with

604
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: conditions while awaiting trial for child sex abuse charges. The

605
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: sixty eight year old actor is charged with two counts

606
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: of criminal sexual contact of a minor and one count

607
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: of child abuse. I mean, these are these are heavy allegations,

608
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: and these are based on allegations from twin boys who

609
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: met him on the set of The Cleaning Lady, which

610
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: was a show he was kind of directing. While past

611
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: allegations have been referenced to the investigation, there were no

612
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: criminal charges filed for those incidences, so they're they're they're

613
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: referencing these these past allegations that had no charges. So

614
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: the judge said he can go now. He's on he's

615
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: basically on bail, right, And.

616
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: We talked about this last night because you know, Melissa Gilbert,

617
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: his wife, had written a letter basically essentially begging the

618
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: court has.

619
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: Been come home.

620
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had gotten maybe sixty nine additional letters,

621
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: as Courtney mentioned last night, of support for him to

622
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: be released. So there's two sides of this, right, one

623
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: side is saying, this guy is a repeat offender and

624
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: he's been grading on a curve and enough is enough.

625
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: And then the other side is saying, oh, wait, these

626
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: are stage parents. They may have like, you know, they

627
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: might be fraudulent because they're bringing up allegations against him

628
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: from yesteryear because they have a grudge because he was

629
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: the director that didn't want.

630
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: Their kids in the show anymore. Show right, that does happen,

631
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: It does happen.

632
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 8: Well.

633
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: The state, the prosecution is arguing that Timothy Buzzfeld is

634
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 3: dangerous and they fought outside he's dangerous, citing the quote

635
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: unquote pattern of conduct with multiple past allegations. You know,

636
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: they're referencing the prior allegations that were made against him

637
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: that were settled, arguing the investigation is currently incomplete and

638
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: it's lacking necessary witnesses so they're not ready to go

639
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 3: to trial or anything. That they're still investigating everything and

640
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: they want him in jail while they do it. You know,

641
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: so the defense reiterated Timothy Busfield's innocence and submitted exhibits

642
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: like you were saying stuff. You know, they submitted all

643
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: these letters of support to you know, for Timothy Busfield,

644
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: including they submitted an exhibit that has an affidavit from

645
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: a worker on set claiming no inappropriate behavior was observed.

646
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: And apparently there's an auto recording, an audio recording of

647
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: the boys' interviews with police where they say there was

648
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: no abuse.

649
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's a very big piece of the puzzle because

650
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: number one, there was some there's some allegations that the

651
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: parents of these boys, or specifically the mom, did have

652
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: a bit of a grudge and said that out loud,

653
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: and that when the boys seven years old at the time,

654
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: were first interviewed, they they were pretty clear that there

655
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: wasn't like any you know, sexual conduct if you will

656
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: again seven years old. Is this maybe trapped memory that

657
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: only came out later. Did they not have context or

658
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, was their fear involved, like we don't, you know,

659
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: it's very nuanced.

660
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: And both could be true about mom too, write like

661
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: she could be like a stage mom, like all the

662
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: things right, like worried that her sons are not going

663
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 3: to be cast in this role or maintain the role

664
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: and have a grudge. And these also these allegations be true.

665
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 4: Both things could at the point and the boys who

666
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: are also seen by a doctor had submitted, so they

667
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: have been exhibiting signs of past sexual abuse.

668
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: Right.

669
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: And but however, you know Warner Brothers, which might actually

670
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: be the real smoking gun here, dare I say they

671
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: held a separate investigation one of the earlier charges that

672
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: made the suggestion that yeah.

673
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: There was nothing really to see.

674
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: They kind of looked into it and everybody went about

675
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: their business.

676
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: Well, the defense mentioned that today they emphasized this independent

677
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers investigation. And I guess like this holygraph test

678
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: was taken by Timothy Buzzfeld. He passed it. He passed it,

679
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: but that's not a missile one court. Right. Still, he

680
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: did pass it, and they did a psycho sexual evaluation

681
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: of him that apparently he did well on because the

682
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: defense is presenting it.

683
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: So psycho sexual evaluation was too much for me to

684
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: read with right there.

685
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: I know that was a lot. There's a lot there, right,

686
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to know about it. So taking all

687
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: of that in, the judge stated that the state had

688
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: not demonstrated a pattern of criminal conduct involving children, nor

689
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: evidence that Buzzfield would commit new crimes if released. So, yeah,

690
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: it's interesting, it is.

691
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 6: I think I was going to ask you body yesterday.

692
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 6: There was a lot of us going back and forth

693
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 6: about the various allegations. Oh yeah, come up, and I'd

694
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 6: love to clear that up, the past ones, the past ones,

695
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 6: because you were right, there were actually.

696
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: More, so there were more stuff. You were right, right, Yeah,

697
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 3: let's talk about those. We we we were just two

698
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: days in a row that you've been right about something.

699
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I let the winning streak, but you know,

700
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: good well, and last.

701
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 3: Night I said we could enjoy it together. So let

702
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: me go over those past allegations. So it started in

703
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one. Okay, So in nineteen ninety one, there

704
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: was an actress from The Strays called Her name is

705
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: Claudia Christian. She reported that when she was running lines

706
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: with Timothy Buzzfeld, you know, they were practicing their lines

707
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: in his trailer on the set of that movie, he

708
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: forcibly grabbed her, through her against the wall and started

709
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: kissing her. The DA said that Claudia Christiansen Christian I'm sorry,

710
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: ran out of the trailer and told an assistant director,

711
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: who kept Timothy Bussfield away from her for the remainder

712
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: of the filming. That's one and then right. And then

713
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: two years later, in nineteen ninety three, on the set

714
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: of Little Big League, a seventeen year old female x

715
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: she was an extra, said that she accused Timothy Bussfeld

716
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: of sexual assault, claiming he he plied her with alcohol

717
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: and groped her. Timothy Busfeld denied those allegations, counter suit

718
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: for defamation, and eventually settled privately. A judge later ordered

719
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: him to pay one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

720
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: legal fees. So there's some smoke there. There's some smoke there, right.

721
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: So then a year after that, he meets and marries

722
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: Melissa Gilbert, the you know, the actress that we all

723
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: know is half pint and you remember them running.

724
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: Down the hill and then little Carrie.

725
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 8: Right.

726
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: Anyway, so you know, Melissa's half pint.

727
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: She goes on to marry this man, and this guy

728
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: apparently has a little bit of a track record of

729
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: right smoke.

730
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: But again it was kind of so that he marries her.

731
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: Maybe she doesn't have any knowledge of this, and this

732
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: is the first she's hearing of it.

733
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: Well, that can't be true, because in two thousand and

734
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: one after they got married, was like I think five

735
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: years after they got married. At B. B. Street Theater

736
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: in Sacramento, allegations of sexual abuse against a sixteen year

737
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: old girl during an audition. The father claimed Busfield kissed

738
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 3: her and put his hands down her pants. He allegedly

739
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: asked the family not to report if he received therapy.

740
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: No criminal charges were ever filed because the dad was like, well,

741
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: if he goes to therapy, I guess everything will be fine.

742
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: The dad was a therapist. His dad was a therapist.

743
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, So let me ask you just on

744
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: that one.

745
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 4: To me that it feels to me that something happened

746
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: that Timothy Busfield was like, yes, I'll go to therapy.

747
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: He's admitting it, right, there's an acknowledgement. That's how I acknowledge.

748
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: There's an acknowledgment.

749
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 6: Rights like you don't want this to go any further,

750
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 6: and this is your way to get out.

751
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 7: It's like, okay, I'll do I mean, I'm just yeah,

752
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 7: on both sides of it.

753
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 6: Maybe, And it was just going to clarify, he actually

754
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 6: married Melissa in twenty thirteen.

755
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 7: So it oh, after these.

756
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: I thought he meant they got married in two thousand

757
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: and four.

758
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have two April twenty thirteen in a private

759
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 7: ceremony in So.

760
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: This was after all the allegations. Yes, right, So let's

761
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: just play back. You know there's one more. Oh, oh,

762
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: there's one more allegation and it happened in twenty twelve,

763
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: and it was right, Ellen, right, one year, one year,

764
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: he gets married to Melissa Gilbert. Okay, So then in

765
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: twenty twelve, at a Los Angeles movie theater, there's an

766
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: allegation that Timothy Buzsville groped a twenty eight year old woman.

767
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: Timothy Busfil denied the claim and no criminal or civil

768
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: action was taken. It was just an allegation. So this

769
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: guy has like, I want to get married.

770
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

771
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, now we know you know TMI

772
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: of knowing this information from this this survey that Melissa

773
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: Gilbert and Timothy Bussfield her husband had to participate in

774
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: about their sex life.

775
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: And just to give you the broad strokes and.

776
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: Not to add more humiliation to this being public knowledge,

777
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: is that he essentially says that everything was good in

778
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: the hood, and he knows crazy for his wife, all

779
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: the things. You know that they mostly cuddle. I'm paraphrasing,

780
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: but the insinuation was it wasn't particularly sexual. It was

781
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: more like a fondness and shared greatness, and they both

782
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: love to cuddle.

783
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: Am I exaggerating that at all times? No, it's not.

784
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: I mean.

785
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: He yeah, the question you need to cover it. I'm

786
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: just thehorizing here. I'm just theorizing here. This is just

787
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: a theory. I have no knowledge any more than what

788
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: we've talked about here, so I'm not pushing anything.

789
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: And I feel for Melissa Gilbert was because I'm a woman.

790
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: So again I'm giving her a glass half full. Right now,

791
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: you meet this guy after all of this happens.

792
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: He seems great. This guy's a great actor.

793
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: He's presenting like the nicest, most you know, charismatic kind man,

794
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: because that's the role he played on every one of

795
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: the series he's been on. Half meets him. She's struck

796
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: out in love a few times, she has to kids.

797
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: She meets this great guy. He needs a cover.

798
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: He's got some smoke, beard, you know he yeah, beard, he.

799
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: Has some smoke. Brewing in a few different categories. And

800
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, she's so happy and lovely in America's Sweetheart,

801
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: and you know, allegedly they're not so hot and steamy. Anyway, Again,

802
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: I'm insinuating this only from what we've read. That does

803
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: not give I mean, he says every half of American

804
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: women who are married can probably say the same exact thing,

805
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: so that is not a stain on them. But you know,

806
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: it paints a picture of maybe he was more manipulative potentially,

807
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: or is this guy just getting a bad rap and

808
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: he's going to have a hard time coming back from this.

809
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: He looked exhausted in the courtroom today, like compared to

810
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: he was a little at ease strolling into the place

811
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: taking his last reap before going in, after his you

812
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: know four day road trip, you know, drove that two

813
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: hundred miles to New Mexico.

814
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: This time he looked a little bit like keeping through it.

815
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: But the judge, and I was very surprised about that.

816
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 4: That was actually part of the judges ruling. They acknowledged

817
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: that hey, Buzzfield complied with the court orders and surrendered,

818
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: surrendered voluntarily. So I guess that road trip and delay

819
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: and the involvement of the marshals didn't bother the judge,

820
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 4: not at all.

821
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: Right, Like the marshals were involved, Right, the marshals were

822
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: like wasting their time looking for this guy, and he

823
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: was like, I'm on a road trip to turn myself in.

824
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 3: Right. So some of the conditions of his release are

825
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: that he has to peer, he has to appear for

826
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: all future court dates. He can have no contact with

827
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: the victims or their families. There can be no discussion

828
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 3: of the case with witnesses, no unsupervised contact with miners.

829
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: He can't have firearms, dangerous weapons, alcohol or legal drugs. Okay,

830
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: a legal drug. You don't have to say that, right

831
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: if they're leglegalny Right. Anyway, supervisioned by pre trial services

832
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: in New Mexico, go with court notifications of any travel

833
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: or address changes. Do they live in New Mexico, No,

834
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: they live in New Mexico, New York. I think they

835
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: live in New York. So he's got to stay in

836
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: Mexico or get approved.

837
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: Prairie I watched I went down the Melissa Gilbert Rabbitt

838
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: hole on her Instagram. She has like modern fairy so

839
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: it's it's like a brand. I guess they sell things.

840
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: They sell like prairie clothes and like a butter.

841
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: She got me real close to buying it too. I

842
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: gotta tell you, are you I.

843
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: Went, no, she really sold me with the butter holder

844
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 2: that keeps the butterbell. Yeah, because Timmy loves his butter

845
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: on his toast in the morning, and she like makes

846
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: some toast on the weekends.

847
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: And homemade English muffins.

848
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: Literally, I honestly I got hypnotized by Melissa Gilbert half

849
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: hours the next thing, I was like, yeah, why I

850
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: can't why my butter always cold and in the fringe

851
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: and kids.

852
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: Keep I keep my butter in a butterbell. I love it.

853
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: Why is she still posting things though? It's just very

854
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: compliment Yeah.

855
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 6: I think this is a time when you should kind

856
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 6: of sit back and be quiet. I want to answer

857
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 6: your question. They live in the Catskill Mountains region of

858
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 6: New York State.

859
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I thought.

860
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right.

861
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was right today. Okay, by her man.

862
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean I got to give it to her. She

863
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: is standing by her man, that's true. I mean I

864
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: don't know, if I listen, I think they're smoke here

865
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: because like like Courtney, how you pointed out he agreed.

866
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll go to therapy and everything.

867
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: I just think that is if that's fact, And like

868
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: you find that out, you're like, oh god, I got

869
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: the wrong guy.

870
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: Right that he lost the defamation countersuit, that he had

871
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: a file, or.

872
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: Is it possible that stage mom knew about all these

873
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: allegations and was you know, like only use this to

874
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: my advantage. Well, they're out in trial.

875
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: But listen, keep it here because coming up at the

876
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: top of the hour, we're going to be joined by

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Speaker 4: Katie Greer. She is the Internet safety expert extraordinaire and

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Speaker 4: she'll be discussing how kids online rules break down from

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Speaker 4: a lot of us.

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Speaker 3: Keep it here at True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lydecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Body move in. Listen.

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Speaker 2: If you've missed any of the first hour of the show,

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Speaker 2: it's totally fine because you can catch us after as

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Speaker 2: a podcast. But if you want to join us live

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Speaker 2: eight eight eight three, one Crime is the number, listen

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Speaker 2: because we want your questions. We got to talk back

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Speaker 2: last night and it was kind of serendipitous. We got

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Speaker 2: to talk back basically asking for our online safety expert,

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Speaker 2: Katie Greer, who's been here now you've been here twice

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Speaker 2: at this point, Yes, and we got such great feedback

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Speaker 2: we had to talk back about it last night.

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Speaker 3: Boom. It was a coincidence. That is so great serendipitous?

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Speaker 3: Was is it meant to be?

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Speaker 6: It was?

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Speaker 3: It was in the stars during the solar something? Is

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Speaker 3: there a solar situation right now? Yeah, Katie Greer, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: We're so let's hear the talk back before we even

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Speaker 2: go a step further. Okay, just to show you that

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Speaker 2: the demand has been real.

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Speaker 10: Hey guys, as Amanda from Alabama, I am still lovefully behind,

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Speaker 10: but I'm definitely trying to catch up. Just you know,

905
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Speaker 10: our time is anyway. Right now, I'm listening to an

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Speaker 10: episode you guested in October and you're talking about internet

907
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Speaker 10: safety for our kids, and I understand what you guys mean, Like, yeah,

908
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Speaker 10: we do have to protect our kids, but what we

909
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Speaker 10: really really should be focusing on is nailing down the

910
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Speaker 10: people that are doing this and playing them in prison

911
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Speaker 10: and keeping them in prison. People that abuse children do

912
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Speaker 10: not change ever. They just get better at hiding what

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Speaker 10: they're doing. We really need to work on legislation where

914
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Speaker 10: child predators only get one chance, like one time you're done,

915
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Speaker 10: you go to prison forever. I think that that is

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Speaker 10: more important than trying to dictate and make sure that

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Speaker 10: our kids are safe, because we can't be with them

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Speaker 10: all the time, and kids are going to have be

919
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Speaker 10: a kids anyway. I love you guys. You're having a

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Speaker 10: great day, and I promise I'll get caught up.

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Speaker 3: Until tomorrow. But both guys can be true.

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Speaker 2: We could keep the bad guys where they belong, and

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Speaker 2: we can also keep the kids safe and treat ourselves

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Speaker 2: safely online. I feel a little loss in the sauce,

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Speaker 2: Katie Greer, even though it just seems like yesterday that

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Speaker 2: you were here.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the world's gone nuts. What do we

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Speaker 3: have to do? How do we keep ours? What is

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Speaker 3: the question you get the most, I guess regarding kids question?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I agree with you, like I think that

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Speaker 8: it is so important. I mean, I think both things

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Speaker 8: can be true, but definitely equipping kids and adults with

933
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Speaker 8: the information that they need to help keep themselves safe

934
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Speaker 8: is like paramount right. We have to do that. But

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Speaker 8: one of the questions I get the most is in

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Speaker 8: the process while we're trying to keep kids safe, And

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Speaker 8: I'll be honest with you, I struggle with it from

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Speaker 8: a different perspective as well, Like, how do we set

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Speaker 8: rules up for our household which is complicated in and

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Speaker 8: of itself around technology, but then also expect that that's

941
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Speaker 8: going to be kind of universal elsewhere. It's not the answer,

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Speaker 8: that's not right. You know, our households have different rules

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Speaker 8: than other households, which might have different rules than my

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Speaker 8: ex husband's household, right and good rules? And how do

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Speaker 8: we navigate that? That's a question.

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Speaker 2: I get a lot and then your friend goes to

947
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Speaker 2: a sleepover, you know, remember we used to do this.

948
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Speaker 2: You go to your buddy's house and you break the

949
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Speaker 2: rules right right on?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So why are different tech rules in different

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Speaker 3: places such a big issue right now? So like your

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Speaker 3: ex husband has you know, oh, you could be on

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Speaker 3: the internet all day and then at my house no

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Speaker 3: you can like, why is that such a big issue

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? It's huge? Well, because first of all, I think

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Speaker 8: we're trying to learn how to get these rules ourselves

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Speaker 8: and get our heads around it. And once we set

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Speaker 8: these rules, they can be the most perfect roles on

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Speaker 8: the face of the planet. But tech is going to

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Speaker 8: change tomorrow, so then we have to adapt can change,

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Speaker 8: and then expecting that my rules are going to be

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Speaker 8: the same as someone else's household is almost kind of impossible.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you hope in a good co parenting situation,

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Speaker 8: that's the deal. But even my best friend, even my

966
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Speaker 8: brothers have different rules around technology than I do. Right, So,

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Speaker 8: different kids, different families, different needs, different understanding and knowledge

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Speaker 8: bases around this stuff causes, you know, honestly good differences

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Speaker 8: in the rules, but also can be stressful when we're

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Speaker 8: trying to kind of uphold them.

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Speaker 3: Is it a thing, because I've tried.

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Speaker 4: I'm a middle schooler and this has been a thing

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Speaker 4: since way back when, of and they're all arbitrary, like,

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Speaker 4: for example, in my house, you can't be on your

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Speaker 4: devices while you eat, but I have no problem watching TV.

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Speaker 3: It's my imationary line, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And we are your house.

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Speaker 4: But we've talked about it, and even from when the

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Speaker 4: group of kids were little, they said, well, I can

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Speaker 4: do it at my house. They said yes, because you

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Speaker 4: have different rules there, and these are the rules of

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Speaker 4: my house.

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Speaker 3: But are they well said? Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Like, that's the I think Courtney answered the question right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Katie Greer, would she get a two

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Speaker 2: thumbs up?

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Speaker 3: That's how you handle.

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Speaker 8: It, right, That's exactly how I handle it, and I

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Speaker 8: make it. My rules in my household tend to be

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Speaker 8: very different then, because I'm all I'm all over like

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Speaker 8: the tech stuff, right, So my rules are pretty strict

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Speaker 8: around technology. And you know, one way I have found

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Speaker 8: that has been at least for me. First of all,

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Speaker 8: I have no problem being like my house my rules.

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Speaker 8: It's like you like it or you don't. But but

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Speaker 8: if I don't want to come off as such, like

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Speaker 8: so hard about it. Sometimes also something like I know

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Speaker 8: this is a really this rules seems really ridiculous, but

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Speaker 8: I'm going to need all other phones in this basket

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Speaker 8: when you come to my house, right, And or like,

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Speaker 8: I know you probably don't do this in any other household,

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Speaker 8: but I'm kind of a weirdo about this stuff and

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Speaker 8: I need all you know that like self deprecating, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes I find that takes the edge off a little bit.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I heard a great tip from Travis

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Speaker 2: Kelcey's wife, Kelsey what is her first name? Regardless, she

1007
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Speaker 2: was basically saying she has a home phone. We had

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Speaker 2: old school home phones, so they have a cell phone.

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Speaker 2: It's basically the it's a cell phone that they leave

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Speaker 2: in one specific room.

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Speaker 3: For multiple kids.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you can be on the home phone, but

1013
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Speaker 2: you have to be in that said room, and like

1014
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Speaker 2: we had to do old school, and you can catch

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Speaker 2: you can catch somebody ringing that home phone. But this

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Speaker 2: is like a shared phone for this household. And I

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Speaker 2: thought that was kind.

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Speaker 3: Of brilliant genius.

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Speaker 8: They have this brand new thing. I think it's called

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Speaker 8: I want to say, it's called the can phone. Have

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Speaker 8: you heard of this?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: And it literally looks like an old school can and

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Speaker 8: you it's for this purpose trying to get kids to

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Speaker 8: keep comunicate like we did back in the old base.

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Speaker 8: And it's a landline in the household, but parents pre

1027
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Speaker 8: program it. The only numbers that you put in can

1028
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Speaker 8: call and you can call out and it like flew

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Speaker 8: off this. I know I have family friends that we're

1030
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Speaker 8: trying to get it for Christmas this year, and like

1031
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Speaker 8: it you can't get anywhere because it's just so popular

1032
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Speaker 8: right now.

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Speaker 2: Because it's so simple. We have too many choices. Simplifying helps.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this back to this, you know, parenting back

1035
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Speaker 2: to back households is hard.

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Speaker 8: It's so hard. It's I truly, I'm happy to share,

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Speaker 8: like I'm dealing with it in my own household where

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Speaker 8: my ex husband and I don't have the same rules

1039
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Speaker 8: around technology or the same knowledge about technology, and that's

1040
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Speaker 8: caused some tension. And you know, one of the things

1041
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Speaker 8: that I have always said and kind of with my household,

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Speaker 8: I can really control what I can control in this household.

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Speaker 8: And it's you know, guys, it's honestly like the old

1044
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Speaker 8: age parenting conundrums of anything drinking, drugs, that can only

1045
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Speaker 8: do I know my kids aren't going to do drugs

1046
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Speaker 8: in my household or drink because I don't have access

1047
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Speaker 8: to it and I'm on it, But that doesn't mean

1048
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Speaker 8: that they're not going to go somewhere else and drink

1049
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Speaker 8: and do rugs, And so how do we handle that? Right?

1050
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Speaker 4: And yeah, so when the kids are out, is the

1051
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Speaker 4: goal just kind of to have tried to have armed

1052
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Speaker 4: them with enough I don't know, sense or security in theirselves.

1053
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Speaker 2: Or even the script of what to say would write

1054
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Speaker 2: into a sticky situation.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, one of the things that I said, So I'll

1056
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Speaker 8: overshare for a second. My kids are not allowed to

1057
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Speaker 8: be on any social media. My rule is zero social

1058
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Speaker 8: media until they're sixteen years old.

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Speaker 3: And then a.

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Speaker 8: Little caveat or a little up sorry ganging a little

1061
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Speaker 8: carrot in front of them, is if they both wait,

1062
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Speaker 8: if they each wait until senior year in high school

1063
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Speaker 8: to get social media, I'll give them each five hundred bucks.

1064
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Speaker 3: Wow.

1065
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Speaker 8: Right, it means to be seen. I don't know. I

1066
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Speaker 8: don't know if that will work or out, but definitely hard.

1067
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Speaker 8: No before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so aggressive. It's really hard to put the

1069
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Speaker 3: job back in the bottle. That's a pretty hard line.

1070
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Speaker 2: So you're saying sixteen, no brainer to save their brains

1071
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Speaker 2: basically for sure?

1072
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Speaker 3: I mean.

1073
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that too. But I recently my ex

1074
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Speaker 8: as a phone for my son at his household that

1075
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Speaker 8: he's not allowed to bring here. But I recently caught

1076
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Speaker 8: my son downloading snapchats on this phone because it came

1077
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Speaker 8: up in my contact.

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Speaker 2: They're really smart too, This is the problem. It's like

1079
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Speaker 2: you can't outsmart them. Their COVID kids, they're all like

1080
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Speaker 2: so great on the computer. Let's be honest, you know

1081
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Speaker 2: they can out smart I mean, body you, they would

1082
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Speaker 2: not be able to outsmart you. But you are smarter

1083
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Speaker 2: than us, you know, or speaking for myself, smarter than me.

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Speaker 4: So if you're just joining us, this is true crime tonight,

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Speaker 4: and we're so lucky that to be joined by Greer.

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Speaker 4: She's a nationally recognized Internet safety expert. Katie Greer works

1087
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Speaker 4: with parents, colleges, corporations, as well as law enforcement on

1088
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Speaker 4: how online behavior can turn into real world risk. So

1089
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Speaker 4: we're getting all the hot tips, Katie, I wanted. I'm curious,

1090
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Speaker 4: So after that, after your son downloaded Snapchat, then then

1091
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Speaker 4: what because I'm waiting for the then what because I'll

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Speaker 4: be there in about five minutes and.

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Speaker 3: My life through it, We're right there with you. So

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Speaker 3: what what do you do at that point?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Once my mom rage in anger kind of like

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 8: uh subsided a little bit, and I had a conversation

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Speaker 8: with my ex about it, who also did not know.

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00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 8: My conversation with my son came home was listen, I

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 8: know that our households may have different rules, or may

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00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 8: be aware of different things, or you can get away

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Speaker 8: with certain things in one household that you may not

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Speaker 8: be able to in another household. But you know my

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00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 8: expectations around in rules around this, and you have known

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Speaker 8: for a long time, and that is a giant violation

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 8: and therefore consequences. Then good learning lessons.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, I felt scary just now.

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Speaker 8: People saw this. I got phone calls from friends in

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00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 8: different states being like, oh, you let your son get Snapchat.

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00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 8: I saw him pop up on Snapchat and it's like

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Speaker 8: everyone can see this stuff. It's a really good reminder

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Speaker 8: of that.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's such a good point. That embarrassing. So how

1113
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: does this get even more complicated when you're co parenting?

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00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: Everyone's winging it because looking for a reason to fight

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00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 2: about something too.

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00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 3: It sounds right accurate, you know more about snapchat? That

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: is crazy. I'm imagining like the kids are listening. I

1118
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 3: don't have kids. I don't know. I'm imagining the kids

1119
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: are like, well, mom, lets me do it? Or you

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: know things like that, right, like how.

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 8: Do you handle sure? Or I mean, look, there are

1122
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 8: how many there's so many different co parenting situations. But

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 8: there's the there's the people that do it really well

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00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 8: together and agree on things. There's people that maybe sort

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00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 8: of do their people that hate each other and won't

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00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 8: even have conversations. So just what happens at my house

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00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 8: happens at my house? What happens that the partner's house,

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00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 8: you know? So it's there's a spectrum of these. But

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Speaker 8: I've heard this question a lot, and now I'm living

1130
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 8: at myself right, Like what do I do? I have

1131
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 8: these rules at my house, but my ex do and

1132
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 8: have these rules. They're totally separate. There's there's you know, X,

1133
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 8: Y and Z, and how do I handle them? My

1134
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 8: response is always like you have to do the best

1135
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 8: you have to do with giving your kids the information

1136
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 8: about your expectations, and you're okay to set those hard

1137
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 8: lines in your household, Like I don't allow any My

1138
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 8: son is not allowed He has a phone in his

1139
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 8: dad's house that his dad gave him, but he's not

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00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 8: allowed to have that at my household.

1141
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: But does he like love going to your dad? So

1142
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: like hang out to see this is a problem, that's

1143
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 3: a problem. Yeah, of course the first to go.

1144
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: And like you know, party at the house that has

1145
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: like Fortnite, you know, all day, all night and access

1146
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: to the phone.

1147
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: This just happened in Missing and Missing kids case. A

1148
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, Sebastian Rogers his mom and stepfather's house.

1149
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 3: He wasn't really allowed internet access and he really only

1150
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 3: had like a couple apps available on the phone. But

1151
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: at dad's he had full rain condussing, but he.

1152
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: Had no tools because they're like, again, it's so important,

1153
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean talking about you.

1154
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: Really need to get everybody in the same page. Right,

1155
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: this could be life or death.

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 8: Right.

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: This isn't like a you know, silly little thing. This

1158
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: is like important stuff. I mean, kids are being sextorted

1159
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: and you know, lured out of their homes. They're you know,

1160
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: this is like a big deal. If you're co parenting,

1161
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: I would suggest you both get on the same page.

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 3: Easier said than done.

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Speaker 2: I mean, situation though, it is a matter of life

1164
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: and death, and like common sense has to prevail, and

1165
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: it's really easy to get lost in the sauce.

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: But they use it against each other too, like, well,

1167
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: your mom, you know, I'm the or whatever the role is,

1168
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: but you know your your dad, uh, you know, look

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: at you do whatever he wants, but you know here

1170
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: you have to do this. Now you look like the

1171
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: bad guy, right, I mean, it's it's complicated. I get it.

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Speaker 2: This is like I always remember your parenting for the

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: adult version of your child, so when they're looking back

1174
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: as an adult, they're like, h boy, they got it right,

1175
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, because when you look back with some sense

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: of common sense, like in the war zone of life,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's hard to pull through.

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01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: Why am I dueling that advice? I'm not. This is advice.

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Speaker 4: It's very easy for me to see, very easy for

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 4: me to say, we only have a little bit of

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 4: time before commercial Katie. But are there some quick, non

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 4: negotiable tech rules that should follow the child no matter

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01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: where they are.

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01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 8: I think one is just general awareness. I think we

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 8: you know, we hard rules are like don't talk to

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01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 8: people you don't know, you know. I think that's a

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 8: really important rule that we often forget. But I also

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 8: think one thing that's really missing right now is just

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 8: general courtesy. Right like out of times, you know, I've

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Speaker 8: had kids over here or you look adults to it too,

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01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 8: so it's not just kids, but you know, like with

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01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 8: their phone is buried in their face when an adult

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01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 8: is talking to them, I think we've done our kids

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Speaker 8: are really big disservice on not teaching them etiquette and

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 8: not teaching them how to just be polite with devices,

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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 8: like no, your phone does not belong at a dinner table,

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01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 8: your phone does not belong in the bathroom, your phone

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 8: does not belong when mister and missus Smith is talking

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Speaker 8: to you, like just I think that is rules are important,

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Speaker 8: and rules may shift, you know, in different households. But

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01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 8: but I think general courtesy in general, you know, engagement

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01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 8: around technology is really important as well.

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Speaker 4: Great advice, Thank you so much. Listen, stick around because

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 4: Katie Greer will be sticking around, and after the commercial,

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01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 4: Katie is going to break down some dating app and

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 4: deception information.

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Speaker 3: Buncle up.

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Speaker 4: This is true Crime Tonight. We're talking true crime all

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: and Body and listen. We by popular demand, we have

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Speaker 2: ka Greer here. She's our nationally recognized online safety expert.

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: She deals with adults and kids and teachers and law

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Speaker 2: enforcements and us quite frankly, and is giving us all

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Speaker 2: the tips on how to keep our kids safe. If

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Speaker 2: you have any questions, jump in and join us. Eight

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Speaker 2: eight eight three one crime, but also dating apps. You know,

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Speaker 2: we do talk about a lot of stories where people

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01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: are meeting online. You meet this as seems like a

1221
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: great guy, looks lovely online and then you go on

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01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: a date and he drugs you and kills you. How

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: about this most recent in Ohio? The dentist, the killer,

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01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: the accused. I shouldn't say the kill because he's only

1225
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: been accused. I won't even use his name. But he

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Speaker 2: had a dating app. And if you guys have seen it,

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01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: I have seen it.

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Speaker 3: It's like its normal, like a million bucks, right, it

1229
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: looks like a is you, guys a doctor? Yeah, he's

1230
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: good looking. Yes, it seems like.

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: He has like a nice sense of self, a little kid.

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Speaker 4: Style or the Brendan Banfield that was also on an app.

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01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: And an innocent man is dead. He lost his life,

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01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 4: right exactly. So it's Katie to be so scary.

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: But Katie, what do you have for us?

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 8: Go find your next partner for life?

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 3: So dating apps are like everywhere now, right, So from

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01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 3: a safety standpoint, what's changed about how people meet?

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Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, like where do we begin? Right? And

1241
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 8: it's interesting? So I'm happy to you guys know I'm

1242
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 8: overshare personally, but you know, professionally, I've dealt with a

1243
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 8: lot of these instances going awry and talking about, you know, prevention,

1244
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 8: how can we be better, how can we be smarter

1245
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 8: when we use these things? But also personally being on

1246
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 8: dating apps after you know, being divorced, trying to figure

1247
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 8: this out myself and navigate this world.

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: You got to get yourself back out there, get yourself

1249
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: out there right on.

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, you like being the stuff that I see. Oh

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01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 8: my goodness, gracious, I thought. I mean, I've dealt with

1252
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 8: some really bad instances professionally, but I see it personally too,

1253
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 8: and you would think that, you know, I might be

1254
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 8: a little bit less, maybe I could protect myself a

1255
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 8: bit more. And I'm not saying that I've had any

1256
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 8: dangerous situations, thankfully, but I can see how it can

1257
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 8: go bad so quickly. And that's really scary, especially because guys,

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 8: I don't know if you know this or not, but

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Speaker 8: there are a lot of younger kids on these dating apps.

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01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 8: Don't shouldn't say young kids, but younger adults that are on.

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: These dating apps, like in their twenties, right, is that

1262
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 3: what you mean?

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01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 8: Like definitely in their teens do I've had some Oh

1264
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 8: my goodness, I know have been some issues with kids

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01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 8: and their teens. I'll tell you another thing that's you guys,

1266
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 8: remember I feel like we talked about this in another segment.

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01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 8: I was on but aol group chats back in the

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 8: day where people used to go on and be like

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01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 8: funny though sometimes now on dating apps being funny, trying

1270
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 8: to be funny like young kids. I had a couple

1271
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 8: of instances in schools where I got called in because

1272
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 8: there were kids that like were joking around and went

1273
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 8: on Tinder or Grinder or like you know, or whatever

1274
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 8: it may be, to be funny, and there were really

1275
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 8: big issues that occurred.

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Speaker 3: Really, you don't even think about it.

1277
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: They're just being rascals, and then look at that's a

1278
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: prank that could follow them around in their digital world.

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 3: Foot print is everywhere, right, Yeah, sure, sure, I was

1280
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: a menace in chat rooms. I know exactly what you're

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01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, ASL, which was you know, your

1282
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 3: age sex language, and I'd be like fourteen, yeah you

1283
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 3: know or whatever. Yeah that was a menace. Yes, okay,

1284
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: so not. What are the most common forms of deception

1285
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 3: that you see on dating apps?

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 8: Do you know since AI has entered the chat. Oh

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 8: my god, that is next level. That is something I

1288
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 8: cannot even keep up with the messages and the emails

1289
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 8: about people. You know, I is this person real? Is

1290
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 8: this person not real? Is this person?

1291
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 3: How do I know?

1292
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 8: How do I tell? And oh my gosh, Like that

1293
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 8: is next that's taking like all the things you would

1294
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 8: think of base level dangeroushoes, like is this person dangerous?

1295
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 8: Is this person gonna race or kill? Or like are

1296
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 8: they who they sailor times a thousand, because now you

1297
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 8: can be any one of those things. But like make

1298
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 8: yourself look all sorts of different.

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Speaker 2: Ways, and you can make yourself look to be very

1300
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: handy or very adventurous. You could have like these cool

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01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: videos of you doing things, or like you know, being

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: a newscaster, or do all kinds of exciting.

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: Having a different yes, and it's total bs, it.

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01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 8: Is it is. I recommend real quick tips in those instances.

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Speaker 8: I recommend actually in all instances, reverse AI, reverse Google

1306
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,839
Speaker 8: image searches and AI searches when you see those pictures

1307
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 8: to see if they show up in other places. I

1308
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 8: think that's a good safety.

1309
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 3: I would I would also recommend you just write click

1310
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 3: the image and say just so, you just write click

1311
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 3: the image, and there should be on the menu bar

1312
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: that pops up like search with Google or something along

1313
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 3: those lines, search with Google lens. I think it is. Now, yeah,

1314
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 3: what is.

1315
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 7: It telling you? It tells you who the person like

1316
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 7: it will it.

1317
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 3: Will find if it's publicly available, it will find every

1318
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 3: image that matches that profile picture. So like taha, if

1319
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: you were on a dating app and you use your

1320
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: Facebook profile picture, let's say, then it would take me

1321
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 3: to your Facebook. I would also so I would also

1322
01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 3: recommend uh having a face call, right, like a zoos,

1323
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 3: like a FaceTime or a million. Why would anybody go

1324
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: outside without doing that?

1325
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 5: No?

1326
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 3: Right, somebody knows that you can.

1327
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: Verify Yeah, exactly, But like you need to FaceTime, I

1328
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: need to face first.

1329
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 6: I've often thought like I'm wanted dating apps, like why

1330
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 6: aren't there topps scoundrel?

1331
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 7: Are you a video?

1332
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 3: I want to see your whole life? Well, when I

1333
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 3: date your life first, I want to see that bathroom.

1334
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: Are you tidy?

1335
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1336
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 3: I want the home tour.

1337
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 2: I want to see sort of how you keep your

1338
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: clothing or are you organized? You know, surprised, Let's see

1339
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 2: what's in the back of that car and in your trunk?

1340
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 3: Why so much rope?

1341
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 7: Why so much?

1342
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly? We're looking for some time, we're just looking

1343
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: for a few red flags.

1344
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 4: But is there anything to be conscious of when moving

1345
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 4: to different platforms? So, say, from if you're on and

1346
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 4: I don't know, I guess, I guess. My first question

1347
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 4: is are dating apps themselves secure? I'll be honest, I'm

1348
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 4: a total ludeite just because of how my romantic life

1349
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 4: timed out, So I've never been on a dating app.

1350
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 4: Is there any security on them?

1351
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 8: And as far as what as far as like security checks.

1352
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 4: Or no, no, yeah you could, you can't really tell.

1353
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 8: Or yes, yeah, no you definitely can't. Well, so on

1354
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 8: some of the apps, they'll have a little like blue

1355
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 8: check mark, like like Meta has with Facebook and Instagram

1356
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 8: that that person has been verified. But that's like BS

1357
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 8: I could put in my face. I could make an

1358
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 8: AI face of myself and then hold something up in

1359
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 8: the camera when I go to verify that profile, and

1360
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 8: it could be I could be a six foot five

1361
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 8: man with a mustache, right exactly. So yeah, so it's

1362
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 8: not there's no real They claim that they're secure, but

1363
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 8: there's no real I know some of the more top

1364
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 8: tier ones, more like matchmaking type online services which cost

1365
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 8: a lot of money. I know, those are more tending

1366
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 8: to be a bit more verified, like like you're ones that.

1367
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 3: Are yeah, like what like the person would be vetted

1368
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: in some way.

1369
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. But the more popular mainstream ones, the vetting

1370
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 8: process is slim to none.

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 3: Right, this is zero.

1372
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: Actually, I feel like in some cases, like you really

1373
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: are just like hope for the best.

1374
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 3: I feel like I would not do well on these apps.

1375
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 6: No, they're not great. They're they're they're challenging as someone

1376
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 6: who you know, like I said.

1377
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 3: Have you had a good date at all? Tah on?

1378
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 6: These have had positive dates, some that turned out well.

1379
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 6: You know, you meet for coffee somewhere. I do all

1380
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 6: the rules of THEMB you know, in the daytime, publicly

1381
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 6: in the daytime, there have been somewhere someone's like come

1382
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 6: over and you we'll have a glass of wine or something.

1383
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 7: So that's the ones where I know that's a gad.

1384
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 6: But I do have little tricks with friends where I'll say,

1385
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 6: you know, call me at a certain time where I'll

1386
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 6: tell them the address I'm going to. All those little

1387
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 6: steps to protect myself if that share your location.

1388
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 3: With a trusted friends.

1389
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 8: I share my location with multiple friends when I go

1390
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 8: out second date. Yes, and by the way, I also

1391
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 8: let that person know. Hey, if you're going to try

1392
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 8: anything funny like I got people who know where I

1393
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 8: am and a grid podcast.

1394
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah, exactly, that's a good idea. Let them know

1395
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 3: and you just tell them, Just tell them you sent

1396
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: me body moving from profile, and I will find them

1397
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 3: of something happen. Friends, my friend is body moving and

1398
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 3: she will find you if something happens.

1399
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 2: To me, don't try to take meds going to find me.

1400
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 6: Are there any like you know, real red flags that

1401
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 6: you should initially look out for, Like I mean, I

1402
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 6: know that sounds kind of obvious, but like other things

1403
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 6: that I should keep be aware of, I.

1404
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 8: Mean, so many things. And I'm going to give you

1405
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 8: another really great tip, although proceed with caution. A really

1406
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 8: great tip is to well, of course, first vet your apps.

1407
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 8: Like some apps are better than others, some are way

1408
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 8: shadier than others, right, so just kind of like I

1409
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 8: think vetting that is important, not to say that shady

1410
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 8: things can't happen on better to look look.

1411
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 3: At reviews, of the apps right like read reviews that

1412
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 3: people have left. Okay, Okay.

1413
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 8: Then another thing is there are these social media groups

1414
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 8: called like people We've met online or online dating profiles

1415
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 8: like do you know this person? Oh my god, they're

1416
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 8: both great and super toxic. But I have learned like

1417
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 8: a lot of people will get on there and say

1418
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 8: things like, oh yeah, this person's profile has been posted

1419
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 8: twenty five times. He or she is violent, he or

1420
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 8: she is sexually aggressive. Here she is a I like,

1421
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 8: don't fall for it. They're married whatever. So I actually

1422
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 8: find but then a lot of people get on and

1423
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 8: are like a little crazy and you know what.

1424
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 3: Next Door that's my that's my like novella at night

1425
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 3: When I go to your next door app? I really

1426
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 3: those those I'm in that one? Are we It's called

1427
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: dating the same guy? Wait, I want to look at

1428
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 3: it right the second so many Wow, it's my it's

1429
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 3: my like tea every night that I that I read

1430
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: before I watched the next Door app.

1431
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I think we had a guest on that.

1432
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 6: It was a tragic story, but it was the woman

1433
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 6: in the military, and that's how she realized that's right.

1434
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 6: The person she was involved with was through one of

1435
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 6: those apps. Yes, but that that's a great suggestion looking

1436
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 6: at into those Okay, anything.

1437
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 7: Else that's sort of a red flag that adults should

1438
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 7: be looking out for if we're on these apps.

1439
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 8: Sure, I think trying to get information right away. I

1440
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 8: think our generation historically has really been terrible all at

1441
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 8: keeping our information private, which on a dating app, like

1442
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 8: maybe we're not. I get that some of our information

1443
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 8: may not be private. What I look like, where geographically

1444
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 8: where I live, which, by the way, my dating apps

1445
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 8: are not set to where I actually live.

1446
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 3: I can find you. How do you go on to?

1447
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: Then is every man in Houston trying to find you

1448
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: in New York City?

1449
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 3: Wherever you are?

1450
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 8: I'm in I'm in Boston, I'm in a in the

1451
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 8: Boston area, So I just do Boston and then I

1452
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 8: do like a uh like circumference of an area that

1453
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 8: i'm and I will never put the town or city

1454
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 8: that I lively, you think, yeah, and then just being

1455
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 8: careful of how quickly these conversations can get personal with

1456
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 8: personal information like oh like where where did you go

1457
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 8: to college? Where you know? What do you do for work?

1458
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 8: What do you and of course that's information that you

1459
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 8: would get, but I'm not sure that that's information.

1460
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 3: And maybe it is.

1461
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 8: But maybe as far as trying to be keep your

1462
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 8: information private before you get to kind of know someone,

1463
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 8: I think is important. Like would you go on to

1464
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 8: someone on the street and be like, oh, my name

1465
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 8: is blah blah blah, here's where I went to school,

1466
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 8: here's you know everything you need to know about me.

1467
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 8: So I guess using a little bit of discretion is

1468
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 8: important as well. Until you actually get to meet this

1469
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 8: person or have a FaceTime with this person.

1470
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 3: Great, great, It's hard though. It's hard though, because like

1471
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 3: you're you're you're not walking up to somebody on the

1472
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 3: street saying those things. But this is somebody that you're

1473
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 3: potentially going to date, right, so you kind of like,

1474
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to date like somebody who

1475
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 3: makes like mink coats and is killing minks and stuff

1476
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 3: like that, So I mean I want to know before

1477
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I go out with this person, like, hey,

1478
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 3: what do you do for work? And I think if

1479
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 3: they said I don't want to tell you, I'd be like, okay, bye,

1480
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? I think I would

1481
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: be off by that a little bit. But you're right

1482
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 3: my generation, you.

1483
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: Ask about work right away, does it seem like you're

1484
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: you know.

1485
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 3: Just talking? Yeah, yeah, I guess so, yeah, like what

1486
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: you're really You can be more.

1487
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 8: Big about it, right You don't have to be like,

1488
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 8: I'm a you know, a financial executive at CD Bank

1489
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 8: and you know the south.

1490
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: Just say I'm a teacher. Be a little bit more publishing.

1491
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: Publishing is kind of vague, right, Like, I just say

1492
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 3: I'm an analyst. I don't have to say I'm an

1493
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 3: analyst at these casinos.

1494
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 2: Right Like that raises so many questions every single time

1495
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: you talk about anything you do during the day. I

1496
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: have ninety five questions that I don't ask you immediately.

1497
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: But I still but like, so, yeah, no, I think

1498
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: you have to come up with something way less interesting

1499
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: than oh, I'm an analyst at a casino.

1500
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,879
Speaker 3: During the day. Because is this why you're so single?

1501
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 3: Show you're so single?

1502
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 6: That's too funny. These are these are helpful. Some of

1503
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 6: this I'm gonna store away and some take advantage of

1504
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 6: it as soon as possible, So thank you, Katie.

1505
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 3: These are great.

1506
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 2: So not to give too much information away, I guess

1507
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: it's the lead, right, Just don't share your whole life

1508
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: story is to me, try to get as much info

1509
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: as you can though, and the other person.

1510
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 7: Right without creepy and weird.

1511
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 8: So that face time, I think is really important before

1512
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 8: you meet up, to get a little not only like

1513
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 8: a vibe check, but to put eyes on right an

1514
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 8: actual person and you know that, you know they're they

1515
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 8: exists and they're real and they're not you know, creeping

1516
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 8: you out with. I think that's really important. And then

1517
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 8: if you do decide to do that, you know, having

1518
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 8: a conversation with your friend, letting them know where you're

1519
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 8: at is really important.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 4: Those are great tips we can all use, and thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much.

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Speaker 4: Katie Greer, our leading internet safety expert. Katie works with

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01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 4: everyone from parents and college corporations and stick around.

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Speaker 3: We're going to tell you where to find her after

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Speaker 3: the break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body. Move in and listen. We've had

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01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: some talkbacks, keep them coming. Courtney, where would you like

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 2: to begin?

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Speaker 4: Well, since we were peppering Katie Greer so hard with

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01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 4: questions till the end. I wanted to tell anyone who's

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01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,879
Speaker 4: interested in finding out more about her or the information

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01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 4: that she shares where to find her. So again, if

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01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 4: you're just joining us, we had Katie Greer on. She's

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01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:41,480
Speaker 4: a leading internet safety expert. She works with parents, at colleges,

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01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 4: with corporations, with law enforcement, all of the above, and

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01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 4: she does she works on how online behavior can turn

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01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 4: into real world risk and how to mitigate that.

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 3: She's CEO of CALEE.

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 4: Greer Consulting and you can find her on Instagram, TikTok

1543
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 4: and x under at Katie L. Greer and kl Greer

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01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 4: Consulting on Facebook.

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01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: Won all that's to say that at the beginning, well

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 2: we we got all right Katie come on.

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 3: And that was all prior to her school.

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01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 4: No, no, it's just whoever is interested to find her.

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 3: Have yeah happened you're such as you did that so well,

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 3: oh well thank you.

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01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, she has tons of tips like if you

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01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 4: want to find a contract for your teen or preteen

1553
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 4: before they use a phone, I love that you can

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: print out that is there. I have downloaded up myself

1555
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 4: and then also Katie's studios and iHeart did an episode

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01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 4: of In Cells. It's the last one and it's called

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01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 4: What's the Solve? And I'm mentioning that now just because

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01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 4: Katie Greer was on it. And it's literally internet safety

1559
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 4: from preschool through adulthood, just common horse sense.

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01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 3: Here's what to do, don't be scared. Here's what's up.

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01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, it's an extraordinary podcast, so

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01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: please do check it out.

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01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 3: Just again, download your iHeartRadio app.

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01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: But it is the cliff notes are there in that

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01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 2: particular episode.

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 3: I think it's smart for anybody, even without kids, probably

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01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 3: to listen to that, you know what I mean, because

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01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 3: at some point you're gonna have nieces and nephews. And

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 3: speaking of somebody who doesn't have children, I was very

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01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 3: involved in their upbringing, you know anymore. So yes, you know,

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01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 3: it is important for people, even like if you're just

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01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 3: sitting at home and you're like, I don't have kids

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 3: on to watch it, you might need to. So I

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01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: would definitely check that at least that episode, right, or

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: at the bare minimum of me at the bar minimum, right, yep? Yeah, Okay,

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 3: should we go to talk tag?

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01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, let's do it.

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01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 3: We talkbacks. Hey, True Crime Sisters.

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01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 9: This is from Pittsburgh. Love that you are covering the

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01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 9: MLK trial where it was considered a conspiracy. May I

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01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 9: recommend our friend Rob Reiner's podcast, Who Killed jf K?

1582
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 9: Lots of information and we'll tie some of.

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01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 3: This together for you.

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01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Have a great day, Lisa from Pittsburgh Out, Lisa, Pittsburgh.

1585
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 3: We love you. We hope she's Hopefully she's warm.

1586
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: They're getting a big cold. It's so cold and bitter.

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01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: So yes, it's so warm. Rob Reiner, I didn't even

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01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:23,480
Speaker 2: know he had a podcast.

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01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the check. I feel like so stupid that

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01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know about this MLK thing. So once I

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01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: found that out, now I definitely want to listen to

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01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: this podcast and see maybe Lisa can call in and

1593
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: we can have them talk about it, like who Killed JFK.

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 3: Let's talk about you did a great job breaking that down.

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01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 7: Last That was really well done, thank you.

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01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 3: Yes, it was really well done.

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01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 4: And it was also one of a gazillion examples of

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 4: your exemplary intellect. So I would like to actually make

1599
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 4: a quick intervention, and you need to have an intervention.

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01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 4: Stephanie Body use the word stupid only referring to you.

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01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 2: I heard it, I heard it, I had no I

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01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 2: almost interrupted her, and I stopped myself from interrupting her.

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stupid. I just meant I felt stupid. I

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01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 3: know that what you said, Yeah it is. I felt stupid. No,

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01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that you did that. Well, if I

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01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 3: might have misspoke it just I felt I was like,

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01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 3: I know, I would say, go to the tape and

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01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 3: we would rewind it. That would get real weird. Listen,

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01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm a lot of things, but stupid is not one

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01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 3: of them. I don't know. I didn't mean. I just meant, like,

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01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 3: learning about this MLK thing, I was just kind of

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01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: shocked that I hadn't heard it before, and I felt

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01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 3: kind of silly about it, Like you know, I felt

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01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 3: a certain type of way. I felt like, Wow, how

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01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 3: did I not know about this? And then I dug

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01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: into it more and I realized a lot of people

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01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 3: don't A lot of people mostly Ya said he didn't

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01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 3: even know that. I didn't know about a lot I

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: didn't know, and I felt like it was an American male.

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01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: I should know some of that. Yes you should, I agree,

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 3: Yeah we do, but now we do, and so now

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01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 3: we can move with that knowledge and definitely learn about

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01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: JFK too. So Lisa from Pittsburgh, stay warm and thank

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01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 3: you because I'm and listen. I love her. She calls

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01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 3: and she always has fun. Right, She's always leaving like

1626
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 3: some fun talkbacks, so keep those coming. Download the iHeartRadio app,

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01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 3: hit the little do a little search for your crime tonight,

1628
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 3: hit the microphone and boom, you're on the show. What

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01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 3: is the thing, Courtney? You had a half problem you

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01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: had to discuss with me. Oh, well, it's it's the

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01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 3: same thing.

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01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 4: And you actually don't use the word stupid, which I

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01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 4: don't know is also I'm very aware of because it

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01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 4: was one of the few words that wasn't.

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01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 3: Allowed in my house growing up. For whatever. Again, those

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01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 3: options we.

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 4: All have terrible but no, you'll make disparaging comments way

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01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 4: more frequently than you should about your intellect and again

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 4: all evidence to the contrary.

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01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 3: So you're better than that. That's all.

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 2: I like the she's like yelling at me with love

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01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: with the whole mouth.

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01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 3: I think we were going to make you go to sleep.

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01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 6: Look at your You're right, I like that. If you're tears.

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01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 6: I did look up just now about that Pocket. It's

1646
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 6: a multi episode investigative podcast hosted by Rob Reiner and

1647
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 6: Solidad O'Brien.

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01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 3: You know, oh yeah, Solidad he's he's a journalist. I

1649
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: think I can't remember the network he's on, but yeah,

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01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 3: I know Solidad. He does a lot of good reporting.

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01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 7: Good reporting. But they revisited the assassination.

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01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 3: Oh he's not like a friend of mine. I don't

1653
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 3: know him like that, but I know what, Yeah, I

1654
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: pictured you guys weren't going for coffee, and I did

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01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 3: have the image of my head. Well, we have all

1656
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 3: the time to see him. Yeah, right, I got all

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01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 3: the time. I'm right right, somebody stepping in at our

1658
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 3: tour right.

1659
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 7: But timely with everything with Rob brn or so that.

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01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 3: I'll definitely definitely listen to that. So thank you for

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01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 3: that suggestion, Lisa. Do we have another talk?

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01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 8: Put?

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01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 7: We sure do? All right, good evening, everybody.

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01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: My name is John.

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01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 11: I'm from Syracuse, New York, and I'm just calling to

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01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 11: comment about the ICE agents and wearing their masks. I

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01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 11: imagine that they're wearing the masks because they're trying to

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01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 11: protect their identities in case some of these people that

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01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 11: they're trying to arrest or detain are in the criminal

1670
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,520
Speaker 11: organizations to where their families could be in trouble of retaliation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 3: That's a great point, a point, and I think that

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01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 3: was true in in the beginning. I definitely think that

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01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 3: that was something probably that they needed to do was

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01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 3: to you know, hide who they were because you know,

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01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 3: quite frankly, you know, if if they're going into an

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01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 3: area where you know, there's maybe some cartel members or something, right,

1678
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 3: the cartel would go after their families. And I absolutely

1679
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: respect that, but they're not doing that now.

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Speaker 2: And can I ask you a question to that point too,

1681
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 2: that that was a very good explanation, So thank you

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 2: for that to come because we were just like straight

1683
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: up just curious. But also, then why wouldn't that apply

1684
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 2: to regular police officers who may be working in difficult areas,

1685
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 2: or the FBI or the US marshals for example, who

1686
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 2: are dealing with killers you know that are manhunts at large.

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01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: FBI most wanted how come they don't have to wear

1688
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 2: a mask or do they have to wear a mask?

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 3: No, they don't. They have to agents always have to

1690
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 3: wear their mask. Is it just they don't have to.

1691
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 3: It's it's discretionary that I do know. It is discretion.

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01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 2: We certainly don't want anything happening to their families. So yeah,

1693
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 2: that sounds terrible.

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01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm, Yeah, that's a that's a hard one to.

1695
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 3: When when when when you want to when an officer,

1696
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: a police officer is talking to you, they have a

1697
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: badge number, you can see it, you can ask their

1698
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 3: you can ask for it. Sure, okay, you can name

1699
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 3: you name rank, you can get all that. But with

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01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: ICE agents you don't have to. They don't have to

1701
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: respond to you. And it's crazy and wonder why to

1702
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: just tell you something If a masked man is pulling

1703
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 3: me over, I'm not getting out of the car. I

1704
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 3: trained what we were trained not to.

1705
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: But also similarly, if I'm a police officer, and again

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01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm just asking the question because I do want the

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01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: dialogue to stay open, right, Yeah, So if I'm going

1708
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 2: if I'm an officer or a detective and I'm going

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01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: to make a bust in a very scary place, and

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01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: We've interviewed so many people who have done that and

1711
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 2: versions of it, how come they don't wear a mask?

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01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 2: And like, even just for Ice, couldn't they just like

1713
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 2: ask somebody to step aside or to meet them outside

1714
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 2: the way you would do that if you were an officer.

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01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 3: I think it's comes back.

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01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 4: A lot of things keep coming back to the training

1717
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 4: and the infrastructure. And you know, there was one really

1718
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 4: interesting interview that I listened to. It was the chief

1719
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 4: of police in Minneapolis.

1720
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: I believe.

1721
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 4: But even with the Renee Good incident.

1722
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to open up a huge can of.

1723
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 4: Worms, but just the simple logistics, police officers are trained

1724
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 4: not to stand in front of a car. Police officers

1725
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 4: are trained to go and introduce themselves and say I

1726
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 4: am here to do this. That's a different protocol. Sure

1727
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 4: why it's different, I don't know. The optics so different here,

1728
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 4: I guess.

1729
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 2: I guess that's where I'm so confused, just by where

1730
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: we made the jumped from an officer to an ice

1731
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: agent and where the optics from that became so intense.

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01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: It's like we're watching people be terrorized. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: very difficult to see that. Anybody can probably feel that gutturally.

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Speaker 2: And is that the intention? I just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the answer. I'm not even trying to

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01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 2: be controversial.

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Speaker 4: I don't know either, but just that is it is

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01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 4: totally different protocol.

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01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 3: The rationale I don't know different thing. I just think

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01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 3: we're meant to be like gutturally divided right now.

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01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Maybe it's really easy to separate people and to make

1742
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: us confused when we're squaring off.

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01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 3: And I think we're better than that. I hope. I

1744
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 3: know we're better than that. Yes, exactly, I know that

1745
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: we're better than what's happening right now one hundred percent.

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01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: So anybody have any productive things to add or things

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01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 2: that we you know, outside of what we are seeing

1748
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 2: and trying to reconcile that.

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01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 3: You know, how do we make the world a little

1750
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 3: better right now?

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01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 7: Right together? We stand, divided, we fall, so we should

1752
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 7: be trying to stand together more. But I don't know.

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01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's even talked about as a

1754
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 6: tactic to sort of divide nations, like you infiltrate them,

1755
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 6: get them to fight amongst themselves, much easier to break

1756
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 6: down democracy.

1757
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: This is what a narcissist would do in a regular relationship,

1758
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 2: right you get in there, you isolate people, then you

1759
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 2: divide them ideologically, get it all frenzied and did yeah

1760
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 2: sobo files and we'll all be fine exactly.

1761
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 3: A very short time. Do we want to go to

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01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 3: a talk back or.

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01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 7: Do we could? But I just want to correct one thing.

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01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 6: I think I might have implied Solidad O'Brien was male,

1765
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 6: but solid Out o brian is a female reporter, so.

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01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 3: I thought it was a male. I was thinking of

1767
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 3: a male. Okay, then I don't know who it is.

1768
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 3: Then Wade with somebody else.

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01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 6: She's an American broadcaster. So anyway, but there we go

1770
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 6: with that. But before we now we can go to

1771
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 6: a final talk back.

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01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 12: Okay, Hi, this is Lead and I'm just turning in.

1773
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 12: When you were talking about the dogs and the AI

1774
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 12: video about picking their owner, and well that video was fake.

1775
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,919
Speaker 12: Once upon a time, when I got my very first dog, Papion,

1776
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 12: he actually picked me. So in my instance, it actually

1777
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 12: did happen. Where I had gone to the breeds. There

1778
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 12: were four dogs available and they were all running around playing.

1779
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 12: Three of them completely ignored me. Kept running around and playing,

1780
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 12: and my dogs, who I later named Riley, came right

1781
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 12: up to me started sniffing at my toes. It was

1782
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 12: just the sweetest moment. So I've always said that forever

1783
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 12: he picked me going forward, because he was the only

1784
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 12: one that paid attention to me when I stepped in

1785
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 12: the door than by.

1786
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 3: That's so sweet, that's so special. Don't you think people

1787
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: would go to these events though, if like animal shelters

1788
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 3: had them, Yes, I think they would. I would go

1789
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 3: all the time. I want all the time, well all

1790
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 3: the time, all the time that dog.

1791
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Bring Okay, So this is an old dating show that

1792
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 2: I have pitched more times and nobody ever buys it.

1793
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 2: But you can see with the spirit of this is

1794
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: that it's two singles and they both dog loving and

1795
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 2: they go to a dog park, but all the people

1796
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 2: in the park are single, and then their dogs they

1797
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: start to play, and then the owners of those dogs.

1798
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 2: That's how they are introduced, is their dogs unknowingly bring

1799
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 2: them together in the dog park.

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01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 3: I can't believe nobody bought that. That is such a

1801
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 3: good idea. That's such a good idea Netflix next week

1802
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 3: exactly that they give us ten thousand dollars only if

1803
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 3: you're on trial. No, I think that's a really cute idea.

1804
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 3: I mean it's sold. It had a great title too.

1805
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting it.

1806
01:33:53,040 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: But it was like like we knew exactly what it was, Yeah, something.

1807
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 3: Like exactly a little bit.

1808
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 2: It's like puppy love, but it's you know, love and

1809
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: reverse from the animals.

1810
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know what if I don't know, if

1811
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 3: I was dating somebody and my dogs or my cat

1812
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 3: didn't like them, I would be I don't know what

1813
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 3: I would do. You couldn't be with them? No, I

1814
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 3: don't think I could. No, I know.

1815
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm allergic to cats and I've gone on dates

1816
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 6: with people.

1817
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 7: It's not gonna work.

1818
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 3: And just picture it as a filter. It's not a

1819
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 3: bad thing, you know.

1820
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 2: Not everybody is meant to be Yeah, not all puppies

1821
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 2: are meant to be together. The music, I know, it's

1822
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 2: already over. Well, crazy, great, great show. Thank you all

1823
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 2: for being with us. Tomorrow we have jar Farantina with

1824
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 2: us to answer all of your legal questions, so make

1825
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 2: sure you keep those coming. Lead them as a talk back.

1826
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow. Stay safe out there.

1827
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 3: Good night.

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Speaker 10: He has spoop.