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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I'm still on vacation, so no monologue today, but stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for an interview with Siraj hush Me. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Siraj Hushmi, co host of the Hibibi

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Speaker 1: Brothers podcast and creator of the list The List comes

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Speaker 1: for all. Hi, Siaj, So nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Carol, thanks for having me. You also forgot lover

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Speaker 2: of Mujahad.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought we weren't going to get into that,

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Speaker 1: but okay, that's the other brother on the Brothers podcast

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Speaker 1: is Jahead and he's been working out, so I I

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Speaker 1: you know, and I made the comment on his Instagram

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Speaker 1: with his like, you know buff picks that Siraj is

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Speaker 1: a lucky man.

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Speaker 2: I am indeed a lucky man, as I got to

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Speaker 2: see that transformation firsthand.

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Speaker 1: I hate my friends start working out.

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Speaker 2: That's like the worst, right, Yeah, I'm I'm like basically

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Speaker 2: scrambling around to take care of an infant and he's

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Speaker 2: just going to the gym getting cut every day. And

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Speaker 2: my dad Bod is just you know, evolving into new

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Speaker 2: a new stratosphere.

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Speaker 1: Really, but dad bods are in. I mean, they remain

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Speaker 1: in even though I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't front it's it's not the worst thing to

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Speaker 2: happen to me. If I had to get fat because

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Speaker 2: of having a baby, I'll take that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good, I mean, among all the reasons.

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Speaker 1: And again, apparently women are into it. You know, although

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Speaker 1: what I always found kind of like ridiculous about that

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Speaker 1: is that Leonardo DiCaprio is like the dad bod hero

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Speaker 1: and he has no kids. He is not a dad,

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Speaker 1: he's not married, like he just got for no reason.

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Speaker 2: You would think that Leonardo DiCaprio's priorities would completely shifty

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Speaker 2: if he had kids. Like, my perspective on everything changed

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Speaker 2: since I had kids. And it's one of those things

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Speaker 2: where like I don't care about what anybody like thinks

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Speaker 2: about me. Yeah, I got I got my I got

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Speaker 2: my girls. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's really what it is all about.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think that that's the most amazing

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Speaker 1: thing that can happen to a person, that you end

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Speaker 1: up not caring about anything else, and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: So you, but it also like sets it. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: also like kind of sets you see the dichotomy though,

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Speaker 2: between people who don't have kids and the people who do,

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Speaker 2: and the ones who don't oftentimes try to. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like you look at Randy Winingarten, head of the American

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Speaker 2: Teachers Union, like she's completely like like trying to take

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Speaker 2: control of everyone's kids. It's I mean, I don't understand,

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Speaker 2: like if only they had kids, they would I feel

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Speaker 2: like they would understand. Yeah, what it's like that everybody

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Speaker 2: who's opposing them actually thinks like because you don't know

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Speaker 2: it until you actually have one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know she tried to paint like

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Speaker 1: her wife's kids, who were grown up by the time

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Speaker 1: raise them like they were thirty. You didn't help raise them.

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Speaker 2: I paid for their college.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think so. I think maybe she paid

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Speaker 2: Like they're they're the graduate school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so how did you get into this world? How

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Speaker 1: did you become a Habibie brother?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a long story. The too long dinner

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Speaker 2: reversion is I worked as a political journalist first kind

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Speaker 2: of several different startups. Eventually got a break at Serious

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Speaker 2: XM Radio ten years ago, back in twenty fourteen. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's been that long, as an associate

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Speaker 2: producer on the PO Channel, which they brand themselves as

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Speaker 2: a nonpartisan political channel, you know, political talk show channel.

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Speaker 2: But you and I both know that's pretty much just

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Speaker 2: like neo lib like soft liberal, soft left. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I loved everyone I worked with there. It was funny

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Speaker 2: because right before Trump hired Steve Bannon, I would run

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Speaker 2: And then I went to do my full time job

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Speaker 2: at a different startup. So I landed at The Washington

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Speaker 2: Examiner in twenty sixteen, and that's kind of how I

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Speaker 2: worked on the commentary desk and under Tim Carney, who's show.

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Speaker 2: He's a great guy. Loved him, And basically I just

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Speaker 2: in April twenty twenty, so Jay and I kind of

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Speaker 2: was bored as hell, Like there was like nothing to

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Speaker 2: first one, the first episode on Instagram Live, and then

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Speaker 2: we got some good tractions, are like, all right, let's

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Speaker 2: just keep doing this every week, see how it goes,

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Speaker 2: and then it just built into something like four years later,

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Speaker 2: an absolute monster. We we ended up taking a hiatus

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Speaker 2: at least in the around April and May this year,

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Speaker 2: just because I wanted to spend more time with family

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Speaker 2: and Jay had to focus on some stuff. Yeah so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So we'll hopefully get back together. I'm hoping in the fall,

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Speaker 2: just in time for you know, when election season really

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Speaker 2: heats up. And yeah, it's it's It's been a joy

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Speaker 2: to work with with Jay because he's like he's we're

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Speaker 2: very yang and yang of each other. He's very he's

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Speaker 2: very laid back. But if you listen to his rants

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Speaker 2: did this Guy's just drink like three monsters before the show.

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Speaker 2: Like he's just sometimes so intense, but it's great. I

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Speaker 1: Do you guys? Were you friends like in real life

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Speaker 2: So here's a wild thing. Jay and I, uh, we

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Speaker 2: became friends on Twitter and we found out that we

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Speaker 2: had a lot in common, Like both of our mothers

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Speaker 2: are from the US. Who are who converted to Islam?

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Speaker 2: His mother's from Arkansas, minds from Connecticut. His dad his

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Speaker 2: like very similar like upbringing, Like he spent time abroad

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Speaker 2: my upbringing in Lahore, Pakistan. Even though we were both

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Speaker 2: was it was just it was early. It was very weird, funny. Yeahah,

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Speaker 2: so when my parents met his mom.

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Speaker 1: It was like the family intro. You really are yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, my wife thinks it's hilarious, but but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was like, uh, this is this is a nice

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Speaker 2: you to meet my son. To me, he comes someone

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Speaker 1: So the parents liked each other and they liked they

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, they love Jay. I think. Actually the

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Speaker 2: get along great. It's just like it's like having it's

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Speaker 1: It's really really cool. So the list comes for all,

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Speaker 2: So getting all right? So it's almost it's almost a

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Speaker 2: five year running bit. Okay, so it started in December

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, December second, twenty nineteen. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I know this. I'm probably slightly autistic, but are we all?

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Speaker 2: That's right, We're all on the spectrum George Conway. You

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Speaker 2: So this is like, you know, one of those things

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Speaker 2: is like I'm just goofing off, right, George ends up

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Speaker 2: dunking on his wife Kelly while during the first Trump

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that really deserves.

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Speaker 1: Like you're palling your wife like yeah, and it's.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you were going to make a dirty

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Speaker 2: I don't know who. I don't know who your audience is, Carol,

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to be as clean as possible. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but for that, but but just so you know, like

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Speaker 2: that was like the very first iteration of the list.

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Speaker 2: I just came up with like a power ranking, you know,

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Speaker 2: top five. I think Trump was on it. George Conway

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Speaker 2: He and I were working, Yeah, he and I were

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Speaker 2: on this website, aren't we all? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we're all sort of on the list,

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Speaker 1: whether we make it or not. I've actually been on

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Speaker 1: I really like that. Keep your habibies and your bros

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Speaker 1: close right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and your enemy's closer.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. He is Suraj Hashmi.

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Speaker 1: His show is Habibie Bros. Check them out. It's so amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. This is great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Carol, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco

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