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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Santra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Hey everybody, it's Sandra and I'll be out this week

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Speaker 3: researching show material that will help us all to better

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Speaker 3: understand what waits for us in the afterlife. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: please enjoy this best of show and I'll see you

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Speaker 3: next week as usual. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For over

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Speaker 3: twenty five years, I've been on a journey to prove

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Speaker 3: the existence of life after death. On each episode, we'll

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Speaker 3: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones

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Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, I'd like you to

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Speaker 3: meet Annette Marinaccio, who had some extraordinary experiences that led

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Speaker 3: her into researching the afterlife. They always seem to stem

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Speaker 3: from something happening, and for Annette it was the death

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Speaker 3: book your sole focus. You believe in the afterlife, don't you.

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Speaker 3: I just love that subtitle and thought we need to

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Speaker 3: hear from Annette. Annette, Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, Sandra, thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: having me here. I'm very excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, we are just as excited to have you with us. Annette,

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Speaker 3: you know your story better than anyone. If you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: mind sharing with us about who you are, I know

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Speaker 3: you have some thoughts about grief and tell us about

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Speaker 3: the book you take the floor.

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Speaker 4: I live in New York and my scipline my profession

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Speaker 4: is a CPA and a healthcare executive, and I absolutely

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Speaker 4: sort of the spiritual side of things. That makes my book,

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Speaker 4: I think, all the more interesting. But what happened to

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Speaker 4: They were actually coming a little bit more through my daughter,

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Speaker 5: I had not really ever thought about the afterlife before.

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Speaker 4: Way, she was like, well, Annette, you believe in the afterlife,

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Speaker 5: And I was just like, I don't know, do you?

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Speaker 4: And she was like, of course there was an afterlife,

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Speaker 3: And I just asked the quick question, did your mother

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Speaker 5: I had no discussion prior to her passing about the

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren

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Speaker 1: And now here's more Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and we are with Annette Marnaccio, who wrote the book

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Speaker 3: with a great title Your sole focus. You believe in

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Speaker 3: the afterlife, don't you, Anette. You're just talking about how

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Speaker 4: Grief is the same, but there's nothing to pull them through.

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Speaker 5: This is how I correlate a tangible view of the

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Speaker 4: If you were to walk out of your front door

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Speaker 5: It's like you're in a snow globe and they see everything.

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Speaker 5: But because of Einstein's theory of relativity, you can only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think any he's resting in peace. I

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Speaker 3: Globe sounds perfect. And also I like how you describe grief.

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Speaker 3: It does, so tell us about your souls focus. Let's

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Speaker 5: It's interesting because, as I had mentioned, after I.

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Speaker 5: Also, I think the combination in this book is just,

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Speaker 4: Since I put it out and of course, you know

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Speaker 5: So that's your sole focus. You know. It has a

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Speaker 3: is it better to listen to some of these spiritual

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00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: wu wu kind of people or you and they're gonna

437
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Speaker 3: take you? What are some of these other nuggets that

438
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Speaker 3: you have in your book? Is it about living life?

439
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Speaker 4: Yes, it's really about how the other side relates to us.

440
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Speaker 4: And I think I'm going to give you what I

441
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Speaker 4: feel is the one thing that I've learned that people

442
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Speaker 4: who do believe in the afterlife and are grieving the

443
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 4: loss of a loved one, I hear this question over

444
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Speaker 4: and over again, and that question is why don't I

445
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Speaker 4: see signs?

446
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Speaker 5: The whole sign thing is so important to people.

447
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Speaker 4: I will say that in addition to writing my book,

448
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Speaker 4: I serve on the board of a nonprofit foundation called

449
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Speaker 4: the Forever Family Foundation, and their mission is to scientifically

450
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 4: prove as an afterlife. So I've been blessed to be

451
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Speaker 4: surrounded by like minded people for the last a little

452
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Speaker 4: over a decade. So that was one of one of

453
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Speaker 4: the groups that I found when my mother in law,

454
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Speaker 4: after my mother proved me there was an afterlife, I

455
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 4: sort of stumbled across upon Forever Family Foundation, and I

456
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: can just see that people grieving and people curious. Signs

457
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Speaker 4: is the number one kind of question that people ask about,

458
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Speaker 4: and the struggle that a lot of people have is

459
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Speaker 4: why don't I get signs? Why am I not able

460
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Speaker 4: to see my deceased father in my dreams? Why does

461
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Speaker 4: my neighbor get the cardinal but I don't. So there's

462
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Speaker 4: a lot of struggle with why people may not receive signs.

463
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, people really want to see signs. They

464
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Speaker 3: worry when they don't, and for a lot of people

465
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: that's what they need to let them know that their

466
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Speaker 3: loved one is okay and not dead. So when we

467
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Speaker 3: come back from the break, Annette, talk about your two

468
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Speaker 3: reasons and we'll talk about signs, are they important, what

469
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Speaker 3: do we need to look for and more. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to the break and we'll be back with Annette Marnaccio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain

489
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Speaker 3: and we're here with author Annette Marinaccio. Annette, you're just

490
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Speaker 3: saying that there are two important things you have to

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Speaker 3: say about why people don't see signs from their loved ones.

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Speaker 5: One of them is, ask for the sign. Ask for

493
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Speaker 5: the sign. Don't wait if you're really struggling, don't sit

494
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Speaker 5: and wait for a sign, a nonscript sign that you're

495
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: not even sure what you're waiting for. Be very specific

496
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 5: and ask for a sign and you'll see. I have

497
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Speaker 5: it in my book, a couple of stories with people

498
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Speaker 5: asked for signs. I'll give you an example of one.

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Speaker 4: My sister, who was very skeptical when I was starting

500
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Speaker 4: to learn about all this. She said, oh, really, you

501
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 4: can ask for anything. Oh fine, I'm going to ask

502
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: grandma grandmother to show me a seahorse.

503
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Speaker 5: I'll never see that. You know, a seahorse is so rare.

504
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: Forget it, I'll never see it. Let's see how real

505
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: this is.

506
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Speaker 4: And usually your loved ones if you ask for something

507
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: very specific that you can't discount, if you do see it.

508
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: I mean, if you just ask for like I'd like

509
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: to see, you know, a red circle, Well you may

510
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: see a red circle and then you say yeah, but

511
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: of course I'm going to see a red circle. But

512
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Speaker 4: a seahorse is not something to see in the old

513
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: ara course, so you have to ask for something unique,

514
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 4: and typically they will if they can, they will show

515
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: you within.

516
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: Two weeks, about two weeks. There's a science to it.

517
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 5: Almost a couple of weeks you will see it. So

518
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 5: sure enough she's asking for a sea horse, and you

519
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: meditate on the seahorse, and you right, and her coworker

520
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 5: comes back from vacation about a week after she's asked

521
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: my grandmother for the sea horse, with all pictures of

522
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 5: her vacation, and of course her family visited an aquarium,

523
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Speaker 5: and of course she had pictures of the seahorse display

524
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 5: and my sister was like, oh, my goodness, I actually

525
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 5: saw because that's a horse. And I'm like yeah. So

526
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 5: the first thing on signs is ask them if they

527
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: can show you something, they will, and then you will.

528
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 5: It'll be easier for you to say I can't discount

529
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Speaker 5: that it really happened.

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Speaker 4: But I also have the out to this, you know,

531
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Speaker 4: because not everyone will see the sign they ask for

532
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: in that two weeks, and then people say, well, then

533
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: why didn't I see it?

534
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 5: Is it that my deceased father, isn't there.

535
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: My son doesn't love me like I thought he did.

536
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: I don't understand this, is it not really true? And

537
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: the interesting thing is, I like to say, and this

538
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: is a very significant takeaway, the souls are right there

539
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: on the other side of that snow globe. But they

540
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: are very polite, very respectful, the ultimate and respectful and polite.

541
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Speaker 4: They will not interfere with your soul's journey or the

542
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: journey or purpose of another soul. And if you are

543
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Speaker 4: meant to live this life without seeing constant signs from

544
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Speaker 4: your deceased love one, because you need not to see

545
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: the signs to grow, You need to not see them

546
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: in order for your soul to grow, then you will

547
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: not see the sign because your deceased loved one is

548
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: more intent on you joining him or horror in the

549
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: hereafter and having your soul have grown. They're more intent

550
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: on that. Then they're more intent on you coming back

551
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: to the other side with your soul's purpose having occurred.

552
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: Then they are worrying about you seeing a sign here.

553
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: They want your soul to grow. And if your soul

554
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: is going to grow by not seeing constant signs, then

555
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: they are going to hold back because they will not

556
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: interfere with your soul's growth or the growth of someone else,

557
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 4: and they're going to not show you the sign.

558
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 5: So it's not really about the signs. It's not. It

559
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: really isn't. It's about your soul's purpose and your soul's growth,

560
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 5: and they're waiting on the other side for you to

561
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 5: get there and for them to say, congratulations, you live

562
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: through the life here. I also like to say this

563
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 5: is another significant thing.

564
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Speaker 4: If you were able to sort of tap into the

565
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: other side all the time, it would be such a distraction.

566
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, mediums and psychics they have to

567
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 4: actually learn to turn off that constant barrage. But if

568
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: you really were able to sort of tap into the

569
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: other side and really understand all the mysteries of life,

570
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 4: it would be such a distraction to your soul's purpose here.

571
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: If you knew that you were going to be you know,

572
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: I'm making this up, but you know, hit by a

573
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: car or in a car accident at fifty years old,

574
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: maybe not crossover, but being a debilitating car accident fifty.

575
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: Could you imagine in your thirties and forties how distracted

576
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: you would be you wouldn't be.

577
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 5: Leaving the house at fifty years old. You'd be like,

578
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 5: was it fifty one or fifty two? I have to say,

579
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: I mean you, you'd be so distracted you wouldn't be

580
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: able to develop your soul's purpose here.

581
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: So we're not really supposed to see all these signs

582
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: and have the knowing that the other side has. We're

583
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: really supposed to be here to enjoy what we have

584
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: here and to grow. So that's some significant a series

585
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: of significant things that I've learned and that I included

586
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: in your soul's focus.

587
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, for our friends on the other side, there is

588
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: no time, So outside of the snow globe, there's no time.

589
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: So for us, what seems like a lifetime for them

590
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: is just a blink of an eye. So we might

591
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: have that panic to get a sign. And I also

592
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: believe that just because we cross over, it doesn't mean

593
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: we have all the information in the universe. We don't

594
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: know how to manipulate lights and you know, all these

595
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: other kinds of things make pomp poms appear. You know,

596
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: we don't have that. I believe there's a school of learning.

597
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 5: To do that.

598
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: But also anat I was just thinking that we retain

599
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: our same personalities. For instance, my grandmother, wonderful lady. When

600
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: we were alone together, she would speak her mind, but

601
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: when we were with a group of people, she'd stay

602
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: reserved and let the young people talk, you know. So

603
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 3: it was a good ten years after she passed before

604
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: she finally came through in a medium reading. The people

605
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: continue to have their personalities. So if somebody wasn't boisterous

606
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: or let me get to the front of the line

607
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 3: in life, they're not going to be that in death.

608
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: But I do say, playful out, ask for the signs,

609
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: but slow down and pay attention. Do you find that too,

610
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: that people are so busy in their own minds that

611
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: you need to be present to actually see a sign.

612
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right. Everything you said is absolutely right. And

613
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: the interesting thing too, is you may not get the

614
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: sign in the exact way that you think you're going

615
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: to get a sign. So you may be saying, okay,

616
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 4: I want to see, you know, a yellow bird.

617
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: You may not actually see a yellow bird flying past

618
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 5: your window, but you may actually, you know, drive by

619
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: a restaurant holld the yellow right.

620
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 4: So sometimes signs can be a little bit like elusive,

621
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: and you have to be in tune to the fact

622
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 4: that it may not be exactly what you're you're asking for,

623
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: you know, or you mean. It may be what you're

624
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: asking for, but not the way you think you're going

625
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: to receive it exactly.

626
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: And there's got to be some mystery too, like you

627
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: said about knowing all the answers in the universe or

628
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: what's coming in the afterlife. It might be great, but

629
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: there is stuff here to learn. I think we're born

630
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: into this light forgetting what home is all about, because

631
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: we'd want to get back there. But there's a richness

632
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: to life, you know. I often say, and that if

633
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: you have to eat your same favorite food over and

634
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: over and over and that's the only food you get

635
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 3: in the rest of your life, it'd be kind of boring,

636
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: wouldn't it bing. But and comparing that to the afterlife,

637
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: when it's all good all the time, it's fantastic that

638
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 3: there's something more. So I think the soul's crave being

639
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: here on earth because we have the ups and downs,

640
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: we have all kinds of emotions, and while it might

641
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: be great, there's things that we can get here. Do

642
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: you have any thoughts as to the purpose of life?

643
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: You know, the big question about why we're here or

644
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: how to make the most of it.

645
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 4: So the why we're here is very straightforward, right, it's

646
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: too love and to grow. That's really why we're here.

647
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: So it's all about right, I mean, that's just it.

648
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 5: So it's all about our connection to each other, sharing things,

649
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 5: and our soul's growth. You know.

650
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: It's interesting as I've gotten older and as I've learned more,

651
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: I start to be able to tell, you know, or

652
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Speaker 4: to know when I'm working with the universe as opposed.

653
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Speaker 5: To grinding against it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

655
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Speaker 4: So when you feel that kind of friction, you know,

656
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Speaker 4: and you're not aligned, that's a sure sign you're probably

657
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Speaker 4: not working towards your soul's purpose. But if you're really,

658
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Speaker 4: if things are rolling easily for you, then you can

659
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Speaker 4: feel comfortable that you're working to your soul's purpose. Chances

660
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Speaker 4: are if you're looking at things positively and sharing that

661
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Speaker 4: positivity and sharing anything you can with any one you can, chances.

662
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Speaker 5: Are you working toward your soul's goal. I mean.

663
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Speaker 4: And it could be one big goal, one small goal,

664
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Speaker 4: it could be a lot of little goals. And you

665
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Speaker 4: also may have decided to come here not for your

666
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: own growth, but to help somebody else grow. So you

667
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: may have decided, Okay, I'm coming here and I'll do

668
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 4: a bunch of these little things. But the real purpose

669
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Speaker 4: I'm here is to help this group of people grow,

670
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Speaker 4: or to help one other person grow. It's not always

671
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: about your own soul. It's about other souls too, souls

672
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Speaker 4: within your group. So yeah, but that's I mean, that's

673
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: the simple purpose, right, love and grow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think about other souls. And somebody

675
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: once said that I interviewed, because not all souls are

676
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Speaker 3: friendly to you. Some are, you know, you get these

677
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Speaker 3: relationships that clash. But what she had said is other

678
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: people can be like a bit of sand in an oyster, right,

679
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Speaker 3: and so we learn that to deal with it, and

680
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: we grow and what ultimately comes on is a pearl. Yeah,

681
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: and it all starts from that friction.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting too, You're right, because soulmates. Everybody thinks like, oh,

683
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Speaker 4: I'd love to just meet and full in love.

684
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Speaker 5: With my soulmate, you know, and things will be so

685
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Speaker 5: happy and blissful and easy.

686
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Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes your soulmate is somebody that's going

687
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: to force your soul to grow, and it may not

688
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: be so blissful and happy and easy. And and you

689
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Speaker 4: find that even in your family, you know, your siblings,

690
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: or your parents or your children, it may not be

691
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Speaker 4: so you know, it typically isn't so swimmingly easy.

692
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Speaker 5: And it's because they're pushing your soul to grow.

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Speaker 3: And now let me just jump in. You just said

694
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Speaker 3: some things that are a goal. When you're talking about

695
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Speaker 3: forcing your soul to grow. I think we all come

696
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: from families that there's been friction, or maybe there is

697
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Speaker 3: right now. And learning how to see life from another

698
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Speaker 3: person's perspective, learning how to communicate, learning how to rise

699
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: above and maybe bite your tongue and wait before responding.

700
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Speaker 3: And then also you had mentioned that we may be

701
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Speaker 3: here for someone else. Imagine being so wise in the

702
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Speaker 3: before life and then coming to earth with certainly some

703
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 3: soul growth to be done, but being so generous to say,

704
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Speaker 3: let me help you to another soul and give of

705
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Speaker 3: yourself so that these circumstances happen to help other people. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: we need to go to a break and then we'll

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Speaker 3: be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife

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Speaker 1: Stay right there, there's more Sandra coming right out. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P.

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Speaker 6: Warren. Don't forget to check out my show Strange Things

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Speaker 6: truly amazing and bizarre right here on the iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra Champlain and Shades.

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Speaker 7: Of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and we're here with Annette Marnaccio, author of Your Sole Focus. Annette,

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Speaker 3: we were just talking about tough times and tough people

720
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Speaker 3: and the ability for soul growth. Can you talk more

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Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 5: I was blessed she would want Oprah Winfrey's a large

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Speaker 5: stadium events.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And she was beautiful, beautiful person, unbelievable stories. And at

726
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Speaker 4: the end she was telling a story about her mother

727
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 4: and her very very difficult upbringing. But she said at

728
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Speaker 4: the end, at the end, after her mother passed, she

729
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: realized that she didn't get the mother she wanted, but

730
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Speaker 4: she definitely got the mother she needed. That happens, you know,

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Speaker 4: and maybe not always with parents, but a lot of

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Speaker 4: times you do cross paths with people that you need,

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Speaker 4: even though they may not be people that you feel

734
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Speaker 4: happiest with, but they if they're helping your soul to grow,

735
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Speaker 4: you'll sort of know it as opposed to toxic people

736
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: that you really should just walk away and you know,

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Speaker 4: get out of their way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes that's hard, but we do the best we can.

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Speaker 3: I heard somebody speak on this yesterday, and it's similar

740
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Speaker 3: to what you're saying. So often people blame their parents

741
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: for the life that they have, right you hear that,

742
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Speaker 3: Or they blame a spouse or a relationship gone wrong

743
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: for how it now is. But when we really look

744
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: to see where we've grown. So there's been some say

745
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: a child that's been neglected, it turns out to be

746
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: the best parent ever, right, best parent, best grandparent. Well

747
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: it all stems back from that relationship with their parent.

748
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Speaker 3: So instead of using the energy to make them wrong,

749
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Speaker 3: maybe they were here for our soul to grow. And

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Speaker 3: whether it's true or it's not, if we can look

751
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: from an empowering lens, then you can move on with

752
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 3: your life and you can thank them. You know, I've

753
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: had some difficulties in my family. Things around the time

754
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: of my dad's death. But had everyone not played the

755
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: roles that they did, I would have never gone searching

756
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: for answers. I would have never written the book, I

757
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 3: would have never had these shows. I would have never

758
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 3: met you today. So while it's easy for our human

759
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: brains to have these flashbacks and make people wrong, you know,

760
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: make them right because without them we wouldn't be right

761
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Speaker 3: here today.

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Speaker 5: Well that's a great story, because you're absolutely right. I mean,

763
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Speaker 5: all those things that occurred to you when your dad died,

764
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Speaker 5: and all those family and friend relationships that may have,

765
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Speaker 5: you know, felt like they were grinding at the time,

766
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Speaker 5: like a friction. Look at what it's done. It's put

767
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Speaker 5: you in a place to help so many people. That's

768
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Speaker 5: a huge blessing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, the hardest times in our life can

770
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Speaker 3: be the biggest growth for our soul. So, Annatt, what

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Speaker 3: else would you like to talk about?

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Speaker 5: Well, again, I think I would just say I would

773
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Speaker 5: like everybody to appreciate the work that you put into

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Speaker 5: the show, you put into your book, I put in

775
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Speaker 5: my book.

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Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of like guiding light

777
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: kinds of personalities out there, and I really hope that

778
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: people who are attracted to you know, this kind of

779
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: an environment.

780
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Speaker 5: Do what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: Which is really give back, give back to the community,

782
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: and give back to family and friends, because that is

783
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: only going to It helps your own soul, it helps

784
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: you feel good, and it just it helps the world.

785
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 4: We're all connected. We're connected to people we don't know,

786
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Speaker 4: let alone people we do know. We are all connected.

787
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Speaker 5: So the more we can raise the elevation and the

788
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Speaker 5: spiritual level and the level of spiritual awareness of anyone

789
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Speaker 5: else and everyone else, and the better of if we

790
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Speaker 5: are so, I think, you know, that's what I would like.

791
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Speaker 5: The message I would like to give is I think

792
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Speaker 5: sharing is very important.

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Speaker 3: When you say in purpose of life, his love and grow,

794
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: you know, I also want to throw in their service

795
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: because it helps everything. I mean, if you're at rock

796
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: bottom grieving, which is an awful place to be, if

797
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: you can set your sights on someone else, maybe making

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00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: a difference for someone else, then all of a sudden,

799
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: you start feeling better, whatever that may be in each

800
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Speaker 3: one of us. I feel, whether it's afterlife or not,

801
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: there's a journey we've been on, there's growth that we've had,

802
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: and if we can share our knowledge with others and

803
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: be that moral support. I think it just makes a

804
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: huge difference.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting you say that because one of the motivations

807
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: for me sticking with writing the book was a very

808
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 4: unlikely source, Justin Bieber. So Justin Bieber, that is unlikely,

809
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 4: very unlikely because he's there are young fellow in his twenties,

810
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 4: and I'm obviously I'll be kind to myself middlely woman,

811
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: you know, than an older woman. So you wouldn't think

812
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 4: that he would be able to be in a position

813
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: to influence me. But he did come across my feed

814
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: in Google or whatever at some point around the time

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Speaker 4: of January twenty twenty, when I had committed to myself

816
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: that I was going to try and get this book together.

817
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: It was an interview of his and who knows from

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Speaker 4: when it was, I don't remember, but he basically said

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Speaker 4: that one of the things that helped turn him around

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Speaker 4: was his ability to focus on others. He said, when

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Speaker 4: I was younger. Of course he's still young, but when

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Speaker 4: he was younger, he said, he was very you know,

823
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Speaker 4: self absorbed or focused on himself, and when.

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Speaker 5: He realized that it was more important to.

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Speaker 4: Focus on others, that's when he sort of turns was

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Speaker 4: able to turn his life around, and that just resonated

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Speaker 4: with me, and I was like, that's the answer. The

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Speaker 4: answer is not to focus on us. The answers to

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Speaker 4: focus on others.

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Speaker 5: Exactly what you said, Sada a service, because if you

831
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Speaker 5: can continue to focus on others, a lot falls into place.

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Speaker 5: And throughout the process of that year writing my book,

833
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 5: I had to keep my eye on that and my

834
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Speaker 5: ear on that. I had to keep going back to

835
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Speaker 5: that focus on others, because it really is. There are

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Speaker 5: many times in the process of writing a book, and

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Speaker 5: I'm sure in your process of putting on the shows

838
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 5: and whatnot, where it's just sometimes it's easy to say,

839
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm not going to do that today. You

840
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 5: know I'm going to put that off, and it's easier

841
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 5: just not to sort of put the energy into it sometimes.

842
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Speaker 5: But I kept thinking, justin Bieber's you know, I have

843
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Speaker 5: to focus on the on others.

844
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Speaker 4: I can't focus on the hassle it is for me

845
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 4: right now, I have to focus on.

846
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Speaker 5: Putting this book out and having it help somebody. That's

847
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 5: what I have to focus on.

848
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Speaker 4: And that's what I did, and it makes it that

849
00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: service to others really makes things just easy. You know,

850
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: if you can keep your eye on that, it does

851
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: make life a lot easier.

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Speaker 3: So many people think they're not smart enough or their

853
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: story is not important enough. But if it's happened to you,

854
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: somebody else is going through it. And I really think,

855
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 3: while a lot of people may never have a book,

856
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: if you can get your story out there, whatever hardship

857
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: that you went through and how you overcame it, you

858
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: don't have to do anything with it. You don't need

859
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 3: to sell a book, you don't need to have a show.

860
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's literally just sharing a post on social

861
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: media or if you're brave enough to have a camera

862
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: to you, you know, do Facebook live or something and

863
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: just say, you know, there's something I want to get

864
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: off my chest and share your story. You never know

865
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: who's at their wits end going through the same exact thing,

866
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: and these synchronicities, these signs are real and somebody might

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Speaker 3: just see it and it's the difference they need. Here's

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Speaker 3: an example for you. I got a really interesting email

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Speaker 3: and he was driving in his car. He just asked

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Speaker 3: Siri on the phone to play some news nothing about

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Speaker 3: the afterlife, and what started playing was an episode of

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Speaker 3: my show.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, that's so great.

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Speaker 3: But he had to open his mouth, and the universe

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Speaker 3: or God, whoever you want to say, loved ones put

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Speaker 3: it in his path, and so it's made a difference.

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Speaker 3: So everybody who's listening right now, your story is important.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it is, all that stuff that you've been through

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Speaker 3: in your life, it's growth for your soul, and if

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Speaker 3: you can share it with others, it's the magic formula

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Speaker 3: of having a good life. There really is.

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Speaker 4: My purpose is just to sort of get the word

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Speaker 4: out there. I really would love the same as you

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Speaker 4: for people to live very fulfilled lives, and it is

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Speaker 4: so possible. So I think, you know, fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 4: busily living my crazy life. Once she opened my eyes,

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Speaker 4: it was like, ah, this is what it's about.

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit more you know, intense that I

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Speaker 5: thought in a good way. So so anyway, yeah.

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Speaker 3: If you had to leave people with just one last

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Speaker 3: piece of advice, you might have already covered it.

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Speaker 5: But what would you say to people again? I think

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Speaker 5: the advice is that love and grow situation. Our theme

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Speaker 5: of sharing, you know that and service, as you've.

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Speaker 4: Brought up is really it's really you know, people say, oh,

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Speaker 4: it's better to give some to receive it really is it?

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Speaker 5: Really is? It feels better.

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Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, the more people speak about the afterlife,

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Speaker 4: if they've had experiences, the more it's open and discussed openly,

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Speaker 4: especially by people who aren't exactly mediums, you know, and

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Speaker 4: maybe people assume that psychic and mediums are always speaking about.

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Speaker 5: That kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: People that aren't psychics and mediums get out there and

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Speaker 4: if you've had these experiences, these real life experiences, speak

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Speaker 4: about them, speak about them openly, because they just may

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Speaker 4: help somebody, and that's what it's about.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. And if you are somebody that is having a

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Speaker 3: tough time, and you might have somebody that wants to

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Speaker 3: give and wants to share, and sometimes the hardest thing

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Speaker 3: is to allow someone to give. And so just remember

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Speaker 3: the person gets a whole bunch of growth for their

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Speaker 3: soul if they're able to give. So don't shut them

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Speaker 3: off if they want to share with you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's two way street. And certainly when we have the means,

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Speaker 3: we do share, but let other people share and love

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Speaker 3: you as well well. Annatt, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: being our guest today.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for having me Sandra. It

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Speaker 4: was a beautiful way to spend the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I love spending time with you too. And

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Speaker 3: for our listener, we love hearing stories. Every guest I

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Speaker 3: talk to, I want to hear more stories, more stories.

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Speaker 3: And you may be someone who has had some signs

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Speaker 3: or something special happen with your loved one who may

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Speaker 3: be in the afterlife. If you don't have the courage

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Speaker 3: to share openly, that's okay. Why don't you send them

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Speaker 3: to me? Because I don't even have to mention your

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Speaker 3: real name. But there's something that you've experienced that will

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Speaker 3: make a difference for another, So go ahead. Remember my

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Speaker 3: email Sandra Champlain at gmail dot com. Please don't forget

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Speaker 3: our home bases We Don't Die dot com. Join our

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Speaker 3: Facebook group. We have almost seven thousand like minded members.

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Speaker 3: You never know who you're going to meet. In closing,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coastcoast am Paranormal podcast network.

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Speaker 2: And if you liked this episode of shades of the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal

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