1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Anny Eeries and 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Block obam, and today we're adjusting our microphones 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: and also talking about pineapple. Yep, another food that Lauren 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: can't have. Yeah, and so delicious do you remember, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: This This is one that I actually get some of 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: the most sympathy out of other people for. When I 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that, people are like, I'll be like listing things 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: off and I get to pineapple and they're like, oh no, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: really what how I feel the same way when people 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: tell me they don't like pineapple, I'm like affronted. That 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: can't be true. But thanks to listener Aaron, we know 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: it might be an intolerant to the enzyme bromelaine, which 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: is only in fresh pineapple, meaning canned pineapple and juice 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: could be fine, could be fine if that's the problem 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: that I'm having. Bromelaine, by the way, is broken down 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: by heat, which is applied as part of the ending 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: and juice making process, which is why it's not in 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: canned juice and fruit. Right, And we got a lot 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: of request for pineapple when I mentioned in passing that 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: the history of pineapple might be a lot of fun, 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: but I had no idea and spoiler alert, lots of fun. 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: It's it's more fun than some other things. Some of 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: it's really fun, some of it I love. Yes, it 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: is awesome. But before we get into that, let's let's 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: do our basic like, like, what is it? Yes, pineapples 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: are a tropical fruit and their mother plant actually looks 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, if you want to look it up. Um, 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: it's made up of a bunch of different small fruits 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: that have combined around the core. That's what all the 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: segments or eyes on the fruit are there. There evidence 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: of the individual berries that all grow from individual flowers 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: on the plant's single central stem. Right, I had no idea. 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah that's great. Yeah, it's really it's really cool and 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: like only a little bit like chron in burgean. Yes, 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: I've heard that word three times a day. That's the 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: type of day I'm having. Anyway. They can grow up 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: to one point five meters or about four point nine 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: ft tall, which is also larger than I would have guessed, 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: and pineapple harvesting still has to be done largely by hand. 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: It takes about two years for pineapple to grow, and 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: harvesters walk through the crop in these thick suits to 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: protect themselves from those spikey leaves. And once the crop 43 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: is harvested, the field is quote knocked down to make 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: way for a new growing cycle. Yeah, because they kind 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: of grow there's sort of weed like at a certain point. 46 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: So if you don't totally knock the field down, then 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: you'll get weird, little errant plants that aren't aren't as 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: high quality is the stuff that you're putting in there 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: on purpose. Also in order to match demand year round, 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: pineapples can be forced to flower through chemical means, and 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: so that's how we keep up a fresh supply of 52 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: pineapple all year. I see. And if you're looking for 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: a fresh pineapple at the store and you're wondering, well, 54 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: how laural do I know what is a good pineapple? 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: That there's something I have thought to myself. You want 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: to look for one that has green leaves that don't 57 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: really fall off when you pull them in a firm body. 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: And unlike most fruits, pineapples don't ripen more once they've 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: been picked, because they draw their sweetness from their starch space. 60 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: But generally, though, the sooner you eat them, the better. 61 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: And if you cut it up, sort and the refrigerator. 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: That does go bad pretty quickly, I think, but unto themselves, 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: they can hang out for a while. And you've probably 64 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: only had one type of pineapple, and that's the m 65 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: D two cultivar, which is a hybrid that was developed 66 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: to preserve the sweetness while also lowering the acidity and 67 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: preventing browning, which was a problem for the previously most 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: popular fresh pineapple type called smooth cayenne, which makes up 69 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: more than half of the m D two hybrid. Yeah. 70 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's way more variety, more varieties. I never 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: I had never known. No, And there is a place 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: in Hawaii were they uh sell at least twenty different varieties. 73 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: I remember eating the different types. What did they taste like? 74 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Were they all basically pineapple? Or I know they have 75 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: different taste I think. Um. I believe the smooth cayenne 76 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: was the sweetest, So I imagine that these varieties would 77 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: be listed less sweet. Yeah. I would love to try 78 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: different type of pineapple, right, Oh? Or I mean I 79 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't, because I would try a way that 80 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: was both not gonna make you jealous, but also describe 81 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: the flavor accurately. It would be difficult. It would the 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: pineapples that we eat our seedless, because you grow a 83 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: new pineapple by rooting a piece of an existing plant. Yeah, 84 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and to form the seed you need pollination, and hummingbirds 85 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: are the most frequent pollinators. But seed formation isn't great 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: for the quality of which is why Hawaii prohibits importation 87 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: of hummingbirds. No hummingbirds in Hawaii. No, And who's importing 88 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: humming I don't. I don't know. Just yeah, like like, hey, Bob, 89 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: I need twenty hummingbirds. Steps. I'm not sure why that 90 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: was in that accent anyway. Um. They're pretty easy to 91 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: grow on your own, though. Yeah. You just take the 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: crown from the plant, put it somewhere drying dar for 93 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: a week so it'll harden, and then in an eight 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: inch porespot with good drain age, will lay down a 95 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: layer of gravel and then a layer of light soil 96 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: and composted the material. Oh my goodness, and both just 97 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: put our huma uh and from there, yeah, you just 98 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: let it grow and once it starts to grow, you 99 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: want to move it to a twelve inch pop same conditions. 100 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm determined to try this. I can't believe it would 101 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: be this easy, but I'll find out. That's I've heard 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: that it can take a while to to get it 103 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: to to really take. But right, but there's this nice 104 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: fellow who hangs out sometimes in your your decab farmers market, 105 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: which is a local market around here in Atlanta, who 106 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: you'll just hang out near the pineapples and kind of 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: like wait for someone to come up to the pineapples 108 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: and then tell them about this. It's it's actually very 109 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: sweet like the pineapple. Next time I go there, maybe 110 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: I will run into him. Look out for him. Yeah. Uh. 111 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: Similarly to cauliflower, the pineapple is another example of the 112 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: golden ratio in nature. Yeah, and when when it's fresh, 113 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: it is pretty healthy. It's high in vitamin C and manganese, 114 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: especially um, which helps your immune system and bone strength, 115 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: among loads of other things. It is also chock full 116 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: of fructose though, so you know, just in moderation. Right. 117 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: Aforementioned bromelaine, which is an enzyme a pineapple. It can 118 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: be used as a meat tenderizer and cut fruit preserver, 119 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: and it's sometimes used as an anti inflammatory. There aren't 120 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: many studies or any like conclusively, right, Um, the researchers 121 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: are currently looking at bromolines can't or fighting properties as well. 122 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: I think that I did not know unripe, but pineapple 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: is toxic and can cause just really bad diarrhea and 124 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: vomiting kind of issues, right. Um. Also, apparently, eating a 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: lot of pineapple cores um, which not everyone eats but 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: they are edible, can lead to the formation of something 127 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: called fiber balls in the digestive tract. That sounds awful. 128 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, and I don't honestly 129 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: want to. But speaking of fiber, fibers from the leaves 130 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: of pineapple are sometimes woven into embroidery, thread, cloth, and 131 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: paper in places like Brazil and the Philippines. Despite its 132 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: association with Hawaii, Hawai is not the top producer um, 133 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: not anymore at least, and it's not even where they're 134 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: native to. No no uh. Instead, and the top producers 135 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: were Costa Rica, Brazil, and the Philippines, with a total 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: worldwide production equalling five point four million tons and behind 137 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: apple sauce and peaches, pineapple is the most canned fruit 138 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: and behind the Pearl Harbor bombing site, the Dull pineapple 139 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: plantation is the most visited tourist attraction in Hawaii, as 140 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: pineapple industry was a nine billion dollar industry. It's a 141 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: lot of pineapples. That's nothing to sneeze at pineapple. Um, 142 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: so how did the pineapple grow to become this massive industry? Well, 143 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: in order to determine that, we have to go thousands 144 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: of years back to stuff that we're not entirely certain 145 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: about history. Uh huh um. So we know that pineapples 146 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: originated in South America, most likely in the region of 147 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: like Brazil or Paraguay some somewhere around there, and they 148 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: were domesticated as long as as six thousand years ago 149 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: or more, possibly by the Two Pie people and or 150 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: by the Guarini people, and from there they spread throughout 151 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: the continent to Central America, Mexico and the West Indies 152 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: and or Caribbean, depending on what you would like to 153 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: call it. The plant was called by the locals um 154 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: the nana, which could mean excellent fruit. I've also seen 155 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: its meaning listed as perfumed, but either way, this is 156 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: where we get the scientific name for pineapples, which is 157 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: ananas almos. In addition to being eaten raw or cooked, 158 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: pineapple juice was also fermented to make wine and liquors. 159 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: And it was and in some regions still is used 160 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: medicinally due to that bromlean content for a whole bunch 161 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: of different things, as a cure for gas or intestinal 162 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: parasites and other stobdach problems. Um, to cure skin problems 163 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: like corns and worts, to stimulate menstrual flow, and to 164 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: induce abortion. Okay, okay, I didn't see that one coming. Uh. 165 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: Non edible cultivars were grown for the strong fiber in 166 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: their leaves aforementioned still used in like embroidery and find 167 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: fine goods like that um way back when was woven 168 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: to make stuff like clothing and hammocks and fishing nets. Wow, 169 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: quite useful. The pineapple, it seems in four Christopher Columbus. Mr. 170 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus he stopped up a couple of times. He 171 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: stumbled upon the pineapple when he stopped on Guadalupe, and 172 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: he called it Pinia de Indies or pine of the Indians. 173 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: In his journal um. He described it as resembling a 174 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: pine cone, but a sweet fruit with an apple's firmness. 175 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: He returned to Spain with some pineapples, where it was 176 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: a huge hit. People loved how sweet it was. I mean, 177 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: in our sweet tooth. It's really kind of shaped history 178 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: and just the way I did not anticipate very intensely. Yeah. Anyway, 179 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: when they tried to grow their own pineapples in Europe 180 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: are more particularly in England, they found little to no 181 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: success due to the non tropical weather for this tropical plant. 182 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Holland did have some some success, however, and Dutchman Pierre 183 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: de la Court Vandervoort sorry about it Um is credited 184 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: with growing the first pineapple in Europe in sixteen fifty eight. Um. 185 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: So they had to import them, which was crazy, time 186 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: consuming and expensive, and the fruit often arrived bruised and 187 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: or rotten. Yeah, because without refrigeration, it's a really difficult 188 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: thing to do. And and pineapples can't survive frost. Is 189 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: is the thing about growing them that they do best 190 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: in temperatures above sixty five degrees fahrenheit a k a. 191 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: Like eighteen degrees celsius. Other famous dudes who were roaming 192 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: around the oceans Magellan. Yeah, Magellan got in the pineapple 193 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: game after he discovered them in Brazil in fifty nineteen, 194 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: which increased the import of pineapples into Europe Um they 195 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: often arrived candied or covered in syrup. Oh since the 196 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: transport of the fruit was so difficult, and during the 197 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: sixteenth century Spain and Portugal introduced the pineapple to places 198 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: like oh Why. Although the first recorded mention of it 199 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: was in um Guam, the Philippines Zimbabwe fifteen fifty, in India, 200 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: in China and South Africa in sixteen fifty, and it's 201 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: around this time the word pineapple first appeared in print 202 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: um and it got its name thanks to its resemblance 203 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: to a pine cone. Previously, pineapple was used to describe 204 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: pine cones, and the word pine cone also popped up 205 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: in Texas the first time in sixteen sixty four, which 206 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: makes sense. Also how how disappointing would it be if 207 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: you heard the word pineapple, you picked up a pine 208 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: cone and thought maybe I could eat this somehow and 209 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: you just can't know. I guess you could use it 210 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: to smoke other foods that would be delicious. There are 211 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: other uses, for sure. Due to the high cost of 212 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: refined sugar, the low availability of sweets, and pineapple's rarity, 213 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: it very quickly became a symbol of wealth. King Charles 214 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: the Second commissioned a painting of himself receiving a pineapple 215 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: from his gardener as as a display of I don't 216 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: know what what would you put it as? Like wealthitude, 217 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: royal nous. Yeah. Royals would often give them as as 218 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: gifts when they were looking to just super impress somebody. Yeah, 219 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and you should look up the painting because it's great. Um. 220 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: And in seventeen hundreds Colonial America, pineapple's imported from the 221 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Caribbean islands, due to how perishable and rare they were, 222 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: could cost as much as eight thousand dollars in today's money. 223 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: Eight dollars. That's a very expensive piece of fruit. And 224 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: since much of the colonies were like the car isn't 225 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: worth that much? Please please continue crazy um. Since much 226 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: of the colonies at the time were like small hubs 227 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: of activity, a lot of the entertaining went on in 228 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: people's homes, and when well off colonists wanted to show 229 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: off just how well off they were um and also hospitable. 230 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Also um, they would display a pineapple at dinner parties. 231 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: But like display, display, like, it's main use was decoration. 232 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: It was the center of these big fruit and food 233 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: piles and mounds and it'd be revealed at the when 234 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: the moment was right, they would throw open the doors 235 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: and behold and behold, we have all of this food, 236 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: and it's crowned by the majestic pineapple. And they'd only 237 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: eat them once they started to go back. No, that's 238 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: so sad for the pineapple, I know. And for those 239 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: porcels who couldn't afford a pineapple. There was still hope 240 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: for you. Uh you there was a pineapple rental market. 241 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Is ok? Yes, you heard that correctly. There's a pineapple 242 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: rental market and the enterprising pineapple sellers and it's usually 243 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: Baker's who used pineapples and desserts, and they were pretty 244 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: in the loop about who was having dinner parties so 245 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: they could they knew who to approach, and they would 246 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: print out pineapples before selling them, and people would carry 247 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: them around at parties. I can't imagine a more comfortable 248 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: accessive being someone who was held onto a pineapple for 249 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: like a decent amount of time during that one photo 250 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: shoot that we did. Like I can say that that's 251 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: not that wouldn't be my first choice. No, uh, better 252 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: than spiky pain melon, Yes, by far, spiky pain melon. 253 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: I kind of want to just carry on a pineapple 254 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: for a day and see what kind of comments I get. Um. 255 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, George Washington named it his favorite chocolate fruit 256 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: after trying it in Barbados in seventee. And it's around 257 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: this time in the seventeen sixties that the pineapple as 258 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: the symbol of friendship and hospitality started become really trendy, 259 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: super trending. Yeah, pineapples are on neck it's tablecloths, wallpaper, bedpost, 260 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: pineapple shaped dishes. They were on the gate post outside 261 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: of residences, on the backs of chairs, on weather veins 262 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: of important public buildings, pineapple shaped candelobros and pictures, door 263 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: and archers and the Caribbean, you'd put a pineapple or 264 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: a pineapple crown outside your door to represent friendship. They 265 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: were everywhere, and you can still see evidence of it 266 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: to this day. I hear it's pretty prevalent in Colonial Williamsburg. 267 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: I've never been o me, neither um that there was 268 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: even a huge pineapple pineapple shaped bit of architecture that 269 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: was put up in uh in Scotland and Dunmore Park 270 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: in seventeen sixty one. It much like one of those 271 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: fruit piles at a fancy party. It's just the giant 272 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: crown right at the center top of this building. Um, 273 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: and the building below it he used to house a 274 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: a hothouse, which is part of what would make pineapples 275 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: able to be to be grown in more places. But 276 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: it's it's still there. You can still go visited. I 277 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: would love to. It's really majestic. Take a second in 278 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: google it, y'all. There's a reason the pineapple is called 279 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: the king of fruits. Um, and that's not in either. 280 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: Foods were pressed into pineapples. Other foods were made to 281 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: look like pineapple, like cakes, cookies, candies, gents, and molds. 282 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't fit the alliteration, but it's still nice. Yeah. 283 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: And also, uh, I had a resurgence in the fifties 284 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: and sixties. Oh, absolutely, probably due partially to tiki culture, 285 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: which I have a note about much later. Right. So, 286 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: going back to Europe, they hadn't given up on growing 287 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: their own pineapple, No, and with the advent of the 288 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: hot house in the seventeenth century, pineapples could be grown 289 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: more widely in Europe. UM. The first recorded one was 290 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: Duchess of Cleveland's hot house in St. Two, from which 291 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: she gifted a pineapple to King Charles the second, which 292 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: is how the aforementioned painting came about. But even with houses, 293 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: pineapples couldn't be produced on a large scale, and the 294 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: cost was still high due to the equipment and labor required, 295 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: so high, in fact, that owning one of these hot 296 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: houses meant for growing pineapples, which were called pine ears 297 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: or pineapple stoves. Became a symbol for wealth along with 298 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: the pineapple. Wow, um, all right, yeah, you know cool? 299 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: Look at my pineary how much money I've got? Allegedly, 300 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy nine, the pineapple was even used in 301 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: political discourse, with an egalitarian dissenter saying, what's right has 302 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: one man to eat a pineapple for which he gave 303 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: a guinea when another is starving for want of a 304 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: halfpenny worth of bread? And then his His opponent responded saying, 305 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: how many depends on their share of the guinea paid 306 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: for the pineapple? When you shall have divided the guineas 307 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: between all of these, I think the gentleman might eat 308 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: with a good conscious. Uh No serious pineapple discourse. Meanwhile, 309 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: in the seventeen seventies, the British explorer James Cook planted 310 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: pineapples in islands throughout the South Pacific, and Lutheran missionaries 311 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: introduced the pineapple to Australia in the eighteen thirties, where 312 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: it still grows, especially in Queensland. Yes. Meanwhile, as ship 313 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: technology improved throughout the eighteen hundreds, with fast sailing cutter 314 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: ships and steamships, pineapples began to be imported from the 315 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: Caribbean and s troll America to wealthy folks in New 316 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: York City, where the trend continued to spread. Um there 317 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: was an attempt to grow them in the United States 318 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: to avoid these high shipping costs. They were grown poorly 319 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: in Texas and California, and then in Florida a little 320 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: bit more successfully starting in the eight starting in eighteen 321 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: sixty in the Keys, and the most successfully in a 322 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: belt along South Florida's east coast stretching from Fort Pierced 323 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: down to Miami, which I find personally fascinating because I 324 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: lived in South Florida for a long time anyway. Um 325 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: that that happened up through the early twentieth century. Um, 326 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: but the plantations there wore out the soil, and that 327 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: plus South Florida's tendency to occasionally experience frost wiped out 328 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: the crop for good eventually. God. Also around the eighteen sixties, 329 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: pineapple from the Bahamas in Cuba was canned in Baltimore, 330 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: which was the canning center of America. I mean seriously, 331 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: the technology was fairly new and pretty expense of so 332 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: it was really all based in Baltimore and in terms 333 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: of US cannerying. But the pineapples canned around that time 334 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: were picked green in order to save them from rotting 335 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: during shipping, and they'll yellow every time. But like any 336 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: said earlier, they won't ripen, so they're not as tasty 337 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: as like a ripe pineapple. They kind of suck. Um 338 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: technicians in Baltimore developed the machines around that time that 339 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: core and sliced pineapples into the familiar rings, and that 340 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: more or less brings us to one of those companies 341 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: we love so much that's named for a real, actual 342 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: once living dude doll. So but first a quick break 343 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back, thank you, sponsor, 344 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: Okay sol Um. By this time in the eighteen hundreds, 345 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: California was importing so much pineapple from Hawaii, but pineapple 346 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: still didn't really take to the journey and frequently rotted 347 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: along the way. Um and an English horticulturists and Captain 348 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: John kid Will got the idea to can pineapple in 349 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: Hawaiian sell it in, but he was not the first. 350 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah this this wasn't the first dude to can pineapple. Yeah. 351 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Um The US tariff on imported fruits made it pretty 352 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: much impossible for him to make a profit and he 353 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: shut down in which was too bad for him because 354 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: later that same year, the Hawaiian Kingdom was annexed by 355 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: the US after the Spanish American War and the tariff 356 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: was lifted. Too bad for him and bad for many 357 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: parties involved. If you want to know more about this, 358 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: check out US if he missed in History Classes podcasts 359 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: their episode about it. Ah. Yeah, it's a really intense 360 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: and fascinating story because because pineapples, or rather the agriculture 361 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: barons who controlled the pineapple plantations, had a hand in 362 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: overthrowing the Hawaiian monarchy, as a US commercial interest in 363 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: local farmland was increasing. Um and and kid Will also 364 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: was just an extremely thorough and or possibly obsessed scientist, 365 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: and he experimented with I think like thirty one different 366 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: strains of the plant from around the world, eventually selecting 367 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: the smooth cayenne varietal and improving the growing conditions for it. 368 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: So without kid Will, the pineapple might never have become 369 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: as globally popular and available as it has. So h yeah, checkouts, 370 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: checkout stuff he missed in history class for for all 371 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: all about that, because this episode is going to be 372 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: long enough as it is without us repeating all the 373 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: things that those incredible ladies say. Right. Yes, with Kidvill's 374 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: pineapple research and canning equipment in place, the industry was 375 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: easy enough to restart, and in nine hundred Jim Dole, 376 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: who was at the time twenty two years old and 377 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: knew nothing about canning, brought up sixty one acres of 378 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: land for growing pineapples during a homestead um expanse program 379 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: and then newly an ext republic of Hawaii. Yes, Doll 380 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: established the Hawaiian Pineapple Company in nineteen o one, and 381 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: by nineteen o three they had produced about nine cases 382 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: of pineapple. Despite having been called by the local press 383 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: quote a full hearty venture. Fool hardy, that's one of 384 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: those great words. It needs to come back. Um part 385 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: of the part of the success was was near luck really, 386 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: because sugarcane, which until all this was Hawaii's biggest crop, 387 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: doesn't do well at high elevations, so that high elevation 388 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: land was given over to the homesteaders and their pineapples. 389 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: Pineapples thrive at high elevations, sugarcane pops up again. The 390 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: pineapples still wasn't the easiest crop, and Dole operated at 391 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: a loss for several years in the beginning, which he 392 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: could weather due to his excellent connections. Like like, Dole's 393 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: second cousin was was governor of the territory of Hawaii 394 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, I'm sure that didn't hurt. He was. 395 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: Dole was very proactive and pushing for new technologies, and 396 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen this led to the invention of the 397 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Ganaka machine by Dole employee Henry Ganaka. This machine could 398 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: remove the skin core and uh take off the ends 399 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: of pineapple in less than thirty seconds. Yeah that's frightening, okay. 400 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: In Dole produced one million cans of pineapple, and a 401 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: slightly improved version of the Ganaca machine is still used 402 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: to this day. Dole was also really good at marketing 403 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: his product, and a lot of new advertising ground was 404 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: being broken at the time. After a market crash in 405 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 1: seven Dolls Company and six other pineapple growers formed up 406 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: into the Hawaiian Pineapple Growers Association, and they would wind 407 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: up mounting the first generic product ad campaign in the 408 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: United States um for for the food processing industry. Before then, 409 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: you know, a specific brand or something like that might 410 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: have put out an ad campaign. This was the first 411 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: time that an association like that had formed together to 412 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: put out advertising for canned pineapple. That's it yeah, um 413 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: And it really worked and and was soon copied by 414 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: lots of other industries. And partly because of that, by 415 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: his business had taken off, and by nine Bill was 416 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: packing more pineapple than anyone else in the business, and 417 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: the pineapple was Hawaii's biggest industry during the nineteen twenties. 418 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: It was perceived as a bit of a fad saw 419 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: spawning culinary trends like the pineapple of side down cake right. 420 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: All of his popularity was probably also partially due to 421 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: the boom and air freight that started happening in the 422 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, which of is, made shipping much quicker and 423 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: easier though it wouldn't start becoming, it wouldn't be really 424 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: really widespread until after World War Two, and the pineapple 425 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: industry took a bit of a hit like most industries 426 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: during the Great Depression, which, just in case you don't know, 427 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: it started in nine Uh. It got so bad that 428 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: James Dole was forced to resign as president of the 429 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: Hawaiian Pineapple Company. However, their development of technology to produce 430 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: high quality canned pineapple juice in ninety three would help 431 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: them make up for the losses. Juice sales surged over 432 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: the next couple decades, and though Dole was the most profitable, 433 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: accounting for sevent of pineapples for the next seven decades. Yeah, 434 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: by the nineteen fifties, eight other companies had taken note 435 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: from Dole's success and set up shop in Hawaii. A 436 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: series of reorganizations and consolidations would would help Dole's company along. 437 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: And and side note here just something that I found 438 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: super interesting while I was doing this research. Among all 439 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: of the other growers and companies that started up in Hawaii, 440 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: there were a great number of people of Japanese ancestry 441 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: whose families had moved to the region as indentured sugar 442 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: laborers in the late eighteen hundreds. Let me just take 443 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: a moment and shake my fist at the sugar industry. Um. 444 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: After after these people completed their labor, a lot of 445 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: them moved into pineapple due to the better profits and 446 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: working conditions. Working conditions for pineapple are kind of kind 447 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: of terrible, so that's really saying something. At any rate, um, 448 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: seven to eight percent of pineapple lands were owned by 449 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: Japanese growers as of nineteen o eight, and by nine twenty, 450 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: as the industry was shifting and consolidating, almost eighty eight 451 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: percent of the small pineapple farms where Japanese run, they 452 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: were largely bought out by big companies over the next 453 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: few decades. But I don't know, just interesting immigrant story. 454 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Note I thought I'm there. At any rate, yes, uh. 455 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: After World War Two, the pineapple industry spread the places 456 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: like Thailand and the Philippines where the labor costs were 457 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: way lower like nine flower hooray, exploitation of overseas populations 458 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: with fewer labor laws. As a result, the Hawaiian pineapple 459 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: industry saw a significant decline by the nineteen sixties, leading 460 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: to lots more consolidations. Those finally ended in the company 461 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: becoming known as dole Um. But despite attempts to innovade 462 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: around canning and shipping a fresher product, Doll's Canary and 463 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: Honolulu closed in del Monte left Hawaii in two thousand 464 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: and eight. Right, and most pineapple production in Hawaii today 465 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: is to satisfy local demand, and Hawaiian cuisine does still 466 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: regularly feature pineapple it's ingredient. Yes. Um, So that's a 467 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: very condensed and that's an extremely condensed history. There's definitely 468 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: years and years worth of material that we could that 469 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: we could tell you specifically about about Dole and his 470 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: company and the mob of the mafia and the yeah, 471 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: oh so many things. I feel like I feel like 472 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: there should be some kind of follow up episode about 473 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: some specific little little break off topics. There's like entire 474 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: chapters devoted just to pineapple juice in in in history 475 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: books about all of this, So that could happen, uh, 476 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: but not now right now. Uh, We're going to get into, um, 477 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: some of the depressing labor kind of issues, labor and 478 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: environmental issues surrounding pineapples. But first let's take a quick 479 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor. Oh, thank you sponsor, 480 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: and apologies for sometimes leading into your wonderful sponsorship with 481 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: a really depressing tags. Just has to happen sometimes keep 482 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: things interesting here, Yeah, but the depressing stuff is interesting, 483 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: so it makes people want to stick around. Okay, So 484 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: the pineapple is another one of those stories of just 485 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: a lack of corporate concern for environmental and worker conditions 486 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: in the phase of expanding profits. Corporation would never do 487 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: such a thing. No, never there, They're always look there. 488 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't an entire trope of cartoons in the nies 489 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: devoted to how ridiculous? Do you remember? Captain Planet? Were You? 490 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: Were you? That fern Gully the last reinforced that scared 491 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: me too. I still get this song that Tim Curry sings, 492 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: and that's stuck in my head sometimes I'm not going 493 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: to treat you with it right now later yeah, okay. So, um, 494 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: this in the pineapple industry is partially because one really 495 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: efficient way to grow pineapples is as a monoculture, which 496 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: means eliminated all the other plants in the area with herbicides. 497 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: Bugs and molds are also a problem, so add pesticides 498 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: and fungicides into the mix UM in the final product 499 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: in the pineapple that you're going to get in a 500 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: canner on your store shelf. These UH these substances come 501 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: through as legally allowable residues even here and in developed 502 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: nations UM, but they can be really disastrous to to 503 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: the local humans and ecosystem where they're grown. The chemicals 504 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: used on pineapples in their largest supplying country, Costa Rica, 505 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: are in fact totally illegal to use in Europe and 506 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: other parts of the world due to their links to cancer, 507 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: hormone disruption, and other chronic illnesses and local populations. As 508 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: of two thousand seven, the Costa Rican government had to 509 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: start importing water in tankers because the groundwater was deemed 510 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: unsafe for the for the populace to use and work 511 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: at conditions yeah uh in in Costa Rica UM. There 512 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: have been reports of undocumented in a prints from Nicaragua 513 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: filling upwards of six of the pineapple plantation jobs because 514 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: the labor is hard and the conditions are dangerous due 515 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: to that chemical exposure UM. But because the immigrants aren't citizens, 516 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: they can't participate in local unions and and other efforts 517 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: that are working to assert worker rights. Similar things have 518 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: gone on in the Philippines, particularly on dull plantations, and 519 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: to make matters worse, in Costa Rica, citizens who have 520 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: fought for better conditions have sometimes been met with forceful 521 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: resistance from the corporation's UM, mass firings and rehirings with 522 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: poorer contracts that exclude union members UM, and and even 523 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: some some people being being threatened. There's suspected beatings and 524 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: arson involved in these kind of matters. So if you 525 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: enjoy delicious pineapple, but you don't want to support that 526 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: kind of chicanery. Is a lighthearted word, but it means 527 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: what I mean it to mean right here. Um, if 528 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: you don't to support that kind of thing, what can 529 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: you do? You can buy fair trade certified pineapple if 530 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: you can find it. Corrps with that labeling are more 531 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: likely to have been growning conditions that prevent the need 532 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: for heavy chemical use through practices like crop rotation. UM, 533 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: They're they're more likely to have treat treated their workers fairly. UM. 534 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: This is also where some folks would recommend buying organic, 535 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: but that's a term in the US anyway. UM that 536 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have a strong enough legal meaning to to make 537 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: a sure impact on the type of food that you're buying, 538 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: which we'll just have to do a whole other depressing 539 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: episode about. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a big one 540 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: that the more the more I learned about, the more 541 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: upset I am about humanity. So I'm looking forward to yeah, 542 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: looking forward to sharing that with you friends. UM, if 543 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: it makes you feel better, UM, go organic as well. 544 00:34:54,040 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: Agriculture is complicated and yeah, fair trade, a fair trade. Um. 545 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: Moving out of that into some things that are well, 546 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: some of them are less depressing. SpongeBob is totally not depressing. Yes, 547 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: uh so not to end on a well, I put 548 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: some ads some cheer to this. Um, this is our 549 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: pineapple culture snippet. Yeah, yes, so SpongeBob, obviously, at least 550 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: for me, lives in a pineapple under the sea. I 551 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: watched that through college. Oh my goodness. I actually I 552 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: actually had no I had never watched it before. And 553 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: I was trapped in this in this terrible um not 554 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: not trivia, what's the one where your partner depends on 555 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: you to to be able to guess anyway? One of 556 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: those games? And and she was she was like just 557 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: staring at me, and she was like SpongeBob lives in 558 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: one of these under the sea, and I was like 559 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: a c cucumber. I don't know. It was a very 560 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: painful game at any rate. Cultural points, SpongeBob um also 561 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: a tiki bar culture. That boom of pineapple juice sales 562 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen thirties may have had to do 563 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: with um with with prohibition ending that year and with 564 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: the rise of tiki bar culture starting in nineteen thirty four. 565 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: That's when Don Beach, which he renamed himself after having 566 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: been born Ernest Raymond Beaumont gant okay Um Don Beach 567 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: returned from rum from rum running in the South Pacific 568 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: and opened Don's Beachcomber Cafe in California in four um. 569 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: It became an it's spot for Hollywood Royalty and and 570 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: started a fad for all things vaguely and or offensively 571 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: Polynesian themed, and the popularity of that would stretch through 572 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies and employ just really a great 573 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: deal of pineapples. Tiki bar culture is in the midst 574 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: of a resurgence, as you may have noticed, and we'll 575 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: have to do the speaking of other homework. I'm giving 576 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: us like we'll totally have to do a whole other 577 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: EPI said about the kitchen nostalgia and appropriation and other 578 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: weirdness that goes along with this completely delightful thing. Right, 579 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: do you get cravings for like my ties on a 580 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: frequent basis? No? No, I do. I yeah sweet, I 581 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: thought made sweet drinks, but well made peanut colada, m M, 582 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: I know. Sorry. Um. Recently a student in Scotland but 583 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: left a pineapple at an art exhibit, hoping it would 584 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: be mistaken for art. And sure enough he returned four 585 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: days later. Uh, and there was a glass case around 586 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: his pineapple. People were looking at it thought it was 587 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: modern art. I love that. That's him. He didn't include 588 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: the glass case. He just he just left a pineapple, 589 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: dropped a pineapple off. Yeah, it was like, uh kind 590 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: of elevated. Um, it's not a table but like a 591 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: pedestal share And he left it there and when he 592 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: came back someone had put a class case. It was 593 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: a heavy glass case that took four people to move. 594 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, they thought it was art. And actually 595 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: I looked at it and I appreciated the pineapples beauty 596 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: in a way I hadn't previously I mean, I suppose 597 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: it became art at that point, so I was appreciating 598 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: it for sure. Speaking of appreciation, let's let's do some 599 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: listener mail because we were that. That's about what we've 600 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: got to say about pineapples. So both of these are 601 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: in response to our juicing episode, and this first one 602 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: is from Mica. Micah wrote in with I am actually 603 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: very thankful that you both did an episode on juice cleanses, 604 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: having been taught about the dangers of juice cleanses and 605 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: my organismal biology class at Georgia Tech, Go Jackets, also 606 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: my alma mater. Side note, um, I understand how important 607 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: it is that people be informed of the risk that 608 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: come with this diet. What surprises me is that even 609 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: those who have the awareness of what these diets due 610 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: to your health, can still somehow justify trying them. There 611 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: are some people who will even practice fasting three or 612 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: four days out of the week, not for spiritual or 613 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: religious purposes, but out of a sincere belief are desperate 614 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: hope that it will lead to permanent weight loss, which 615 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: is far from being a consequence of regular fasting. I 616 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: think it really speaks to the insecurities we experience when 617 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: it comes to our physical appearance and the links we 618 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: will go to in order to feel comfortable in our skin. 619 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: Our susceptibility to deceptions seems to be disproportionately high in 620 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: this area to how connected it is the Western concept 621 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: of self worth and how little regulation there is when 622 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: it comes to promotion of these diets and their effects 623 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: on health in America. My hope is that changing ideas 624 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: of health and wellness will lead to a rejection of 625 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: these diets and bring us closer to a unified movement 626 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: towards balancing our diets and decreased consumption of unhealthy food 627 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: and harmful dieting practices. Maybe then we can start to 628 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: feel better about our bodies, not because of their physical 629 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: appearance per se, but because of how good we feel 630 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: on the inside. Yeah. Oh, that's what we wanted to 631 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: We wanted to read that one because it just summed 632 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: up how we felt about it, so so so beautifully. Yeah, 633 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: and I responded with like, um, this is all very 634 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 1: important to both Florena and I have strong thoughts saying 635 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: opinions on this, and I'm sure we will do an episode, 636 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: but it is It's crazy how you can convince yourself, 637 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: even if you know, even if you know, you know, yeah, 638 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: it just can't work. It can't work. But then just anything, 639 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: just try it, Just do it. Just maybe ye. Yes, 640 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: So thank you for writing in Mica and we will 641 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: definitely come back to that at some point. Absolutely um our. 642 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: Other note about the juicing episode came in from Chris. 643 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: The welch's history as an anti alcohol alternative really made 644 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: me laugh since as a home wine maker, I, like 645 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: most of my peers, recommend anyone who wants to try 646 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: out home wine making starts with frozen welch is on juice. 647 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: It has no preservatives, and it's cheap, allowing for a 648 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: gallon batch of wine for about ten dollars. It's a 649 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: great do. I really want to do this batch for newbies. 650 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: While it's never going to be mistaken for Torlatto, I 651 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: don't know things about wine, it's better than your average 652 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: bottle of two buck chuck. That's great. Yeah, I also 653 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: I want to I want to go try that now 654 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: I know me too. We should do it. Good stuff 655 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 1: test Oh oh yeah, there there you go. Test test 656 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: of the episode. We haven't had one yet, okay. Oh 657 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: and the pizza bonus for this one is really easy. 658 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: Oh pineapple pizza. Oh, I always loved pineapple pizza, Lauren. 659 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: But no, I'll go, I'll have to go check out. 660 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: I'll have to go. Um see if I can get 661 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: a food allergist type human too, guest, guest or inturologist 662 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: of some kind to help me figure out what's going on. Yeah, 663 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: because if you could be having canned juice and fruit, 664 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm dubious because I feel like I've had a baked 665 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: good that was sweetened with pineapple juice that still made 666 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: me super sick. So I don't know. That feels like probably, 667 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, probably, yeah, but maybe it was fresh juice. 668 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: I'll get tested. We'll keep our fingers crossed. Absolutely. Thank you. Um. 669 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: If you guys would like to write in with any 670 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: other health advice or or or anything else that you 671 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 1: would like to tell us or share with us, oh, 672 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: you can do that. Yes. We have an email at 673 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: food stuff at housetaff forks dot com. We also have 674 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: a Twitter at food stuff h s W and an 675 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: Instagram at food stuff Uh. Yeah. We share some videos 676 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: and pictures of the adventures that we've been having. Yeah, 677 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: come check it out. Definitely let us know what you think. 678 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, we hope lots more good things are 679 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: coming your way.