1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to part two of the Nick Yarras story on 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction. We've already heard about Nick's surviving sexual assault, 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: his misspent young adulthood, the lie that turned the authorities 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: hell bent on his conviction, Gladiator Sunday's suicide torture, and 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: then with a court date that could have led to 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: his freedom in sight, he unintentionally finds himself escaping from 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: death row, only to turn himself in instead of committing 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: suicide by shark, I mean, seriously, what the actual fuck? 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: And we're still just halfway. We pick up with Nick 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: again on death row in Florida, where he was awaiting 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: transfer back to Pennsylvania and where he ran into Jesse 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: to Farroh, who was the life partner and father of 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: the children of Sunny Jacobs, who we may remember was 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: one of the most extraordinary episodes of Wrongful Conviction. I 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: think it was season one episode four. Jesse, who ends 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: up crazy enough on death row in Florida with Nick, 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: was later executed in a botched execution where the electric 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: chair quote unquote malfunctioned and. 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: His head caught fire. 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 1: It's a gruesome, gruesome story, and even more so because 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: he was an actually innocent. 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: Man and get ready for this. 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: At the same time, Nick, on death Row again in Florida, 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: was sharing that pod with one of the most notorious 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: inmates in the history of America, Ted Bundy. Fasten your 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: seatbelts for part two of nick yaris onun Wrongful Conviction. 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: I knew the beaten that was waiting on me, I 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: knew the torture that was waiting on me, and I 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: turned myself in and I went back to Pennsylvania, and 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: I faced the music because I told a lie of 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: missus Craig Jason, It's never stopped bothering me. Man. I 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: told a lie to get out of a copslot. But 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: that's only half the story. I told a lie about 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: a woman's murder man and shamed her family, disrespected mine. 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: I got to live with that man, so I decided 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 3: to go back, but first I had to sit in 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: friggin Florida for eight months down there with Ted Bundy. 38 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: When Florida's Death Row and I meet, of all people, 39 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: Jesse Trefero, an innocent man. Jesse was married to a 40 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: very good friend of mine now called Sonny Jacob's and 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: she lives over in Ireland with Peter Pringle, her partner, 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: who was also sentenced to death, and they got the 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: Sunny Foundation where they helped people who got out of prison. 44 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: And I didn't know any of this. All I knew 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 3: was this very attractive, sweet hearted Buddhist man told me, hey, man, 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: take me back to Pennsylvania with me. These crazy bessards 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: are trying to kill me. Man, I said, Jesse, what happen? 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: He said, Man, I pick up a hitchhiker, he kills 49 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: the cop. They put me and my wife death row, 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: but we didn't kill nobody. It's stuck with me, you know. 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: So I go back to Pennsylvania after eight months of Florida, 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: and they added thirty five years to my sentence in 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: the state of Florida for the escape and related charges, 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: and I knew I was done. I had one hundred 55 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: and five years. There is no such thing as DNA testing. 56 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 3: I ruined my appeals with absconding. You know the law, Jason, 57 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: If you run, you forfeit your appeals, You're done. So 58 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: I was sitting there in nineteen eighty eight and I 59 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: had just met a woman who told me that I 60 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: had a fascinating mind and she wanted to spend time 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: talking to me, and I felt absolutely horrible about that. 62 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: And then I get a hand in a newspaper. It's 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: almost thrown away, and the next thing I know, I'm 64 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: the very first man in history to seek DNA testing 65 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: from death throw. In March of nineteen eighty eight, I 66 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: filed my first petition, and that historic event led me 67 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: to watch one hundred and ten men get set free 68 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: before me. I watched the mall, Gary Dotson, I watched 69 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: all these dudes. I watched Kurt Bludworth go out and 70 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: be the first death row prisoner exonerated, but he filed 71 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: years after I did. I had to watch him all 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: go home and walk free, and none of them spoke beautifully. 73 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: And I felt like, man, if I ever get my chance, 74 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to do justice to this man. And then 75 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: meanwhile I meet a man who's innocent, named Walter Ogrod. 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: You see, I've been through so much at this point, 77 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: twenty years of prison, I'm sick with hepatitis. See all 78 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: the DNA evidence has either been destroyed or missing or 79 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: spilled in transit. I have no hope. And I get 80 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: moved to a Green County supermax prison, and the staff 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: there knew me from years ago from Huntington, and knew 82 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: I was cool. So they cut me a break and 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: they let me become a block worker for a month 84 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: where I could come out of my cell and sweep up. 85 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: And I meet this prisoner named Walter Ogrod and he 86 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: tries to speak to me. But Walter's been convicted of 87 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: putt a little girl in a TV box and leaving 88 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: her on the street corner in Philadelphia. And I don't 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: want no shit like that bothering me. I just lost everything. 90 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: The wife that I met just before the DNA testing 91 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: began walked out on me. I lost all the DNA evidence. 92 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: I don't want no trouble. And there's these two men 93 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: in the prison tormenting them, Hackett and Spence. They broke 94 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 3: into Walter's house and they tried to kill his brother, 95 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: and they murdered his sister in law to be. But 96 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: I didn't care. I had enough troubles on my own, 97 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: you know. But when I went back at my cell 98 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: and I thought about how I treated Walter, I thought, 99 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: that's it, Nick, Why get out? You got no humanity. 100 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: The very next day, I went over to Walter and 101 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: I began at first, I began writing letters to his lawyer. 102 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: I would decipher Walter's efforts to write a letter in minutia. 103 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: An entire eight by eleven page would be filled with 104 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: micro lines of writing, not just single line. I mean 105 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: he would compress as many possible words into one page 106 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: and desperation to get information out. I would take that 107 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: apart and write to his lawyers as best that I 108 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: could and help. I told Hackett and Spence that if 109 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: they kept bothering water that I'd smashed their face and 110 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: that they had time to just think about one thing. 111 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: I wasn't no fucking joke, and if they bothered my 112 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 3: friend again, I was gonna hurt him. I told the 113 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: rest of the dudes on death Row, I didn't care 114 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: what they thought. I was standing up for Walter. A 115 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: man named Tom Lowenstein, whose father had been murdered. He 116 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: was a journalist from Louisiana, contacted me and wanted to 117 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: write a book about my story and said it was incredible. 118 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: I said, Tom, tell Walter's story, leave me alone. This 119 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: man needs to help more than me. No one on 120 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: death Row does things like that. But I believe so 121 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: much in this man that it started to make me 122 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: feel good about it. In the past, I had already 123 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: done legal work and helped get other prisoners off death row, 124 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: I wrote to their mother's. In fact, the administration told 125 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: me one of the things that made me the most 126 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: dangerous prisoner had ever dealt with is so many men 127 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: cared about me that whenever a guards or anything did 128 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: stuff to me, they would all go on hunger protests 129 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I said, well, I can't help, 130 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: but that I'm a caring person. I told my mom 131 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: I wouldn't lose that humanity. So while I'm trying to 132 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: get water help, I keep feeling weaker and weaker. Jay, 133 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: something's wrong inside man. And in two thousand and two, 134 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: my brother died in August, and I knew over the 135 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: past seven months after being diagnosed with hepatitis see that 136 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: I was in bad condition, but I had to hold off. 137 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: My parents were burying their youngest child, so I couldn't 138 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: ask to be executed then when I was really suffering, 139 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 3: so I waited, you know. And the whole precipice of 140 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: it all was I lost my eyesight for three days 141 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: one time because of the medical toxins that they were 142 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: giving me to fight the infection. Pumping my body full 143 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: of interferon and rivereverron Well. I had to go tell 144 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: Walter that I couldn't help him no more, and it 145 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: broke his heart. But I told him before I told 146 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: anybody else, that I was going to be asking to 147 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: be executed for a crime that I didn't commit, rather 148 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: than just die like Dale Carter did. There was a 149 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: dude convicted of rape and murder on my pod in 150 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: Green County Prison in two thousand and one. He died 151 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: of an impacted bowl from the onset of hepatitis C 152 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: while nurses stood in front of his cell, knowing he 153 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: was convicted of raping and murdering the woman, and they 154 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: laughed at him suffering. And I knew that's what my 155 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: fate was. They were going to taunt me, they were 156 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: going to make me miserable, and they were going to 157 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: laugh in my face at my death. And I said no, no, no, no. 158 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: In fact, I decided I he was going to fulfill 159 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: my efforts. The only reason I ever learned how to 160 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: speak with any modicum of decency was after the escape, 161 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: when they beat my face and broke my teeth, and 162 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: I couldn't look at myself without flinching. So I took 163 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: all the photographs off my wall, and I put one 164 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: of myself up as a seventeen year old boy, and 165 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: I began to speak politely to this person. Every day, 166 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: I quietly began to speak to this man, knowing he 167 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: was the only one who going to get me out 168 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 3: of here. And that transitioned into reading beautiful literature to 169 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: this photograph. It was such an empowerment to read beautiful 170 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: passages from Gabron as I stood before my own photograph. 171 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: Or even better, I practiced my death speech over and 172 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: over beautifully. I had it down. You see. The only 173 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: thing I really feared was that on the day that 174 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: they executed me, I would mess it up, that I 175 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: wouldn't have the acumen, the poise to say the lovely 176 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: thing that I had to say. It was so important 177 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: to me to talk and speak beautifully for myself that 178 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: I rehearsed this beautiful death speech forgiving them for taking 179 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: my life. 180 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: You remember the speech always. 181 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: It's a reference to the neutrino and how the neutrino 182 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: passes through the earth unnoticed by us all. But this 183 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: neutrino is unstoppable. It emanates from the earth and passes 184 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: through whatever surface it meets, regardless of density, strength, power 185 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: doesn't matter. And I was like a neutrino passing through 186 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: their lives. And just like that new trainer that they 187 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 3: allowed to pass through in ignorance, so too were they 188 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: ignorant of the loving, caring person that I made myself 189 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: into be and that I forgave them for killing me. 190 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: I apologized for embarrassing my family, and I accepted my faith. 191 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: I want to get into the exoneration because you know 192 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: the miracle that awaited you that you had just almost 193 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: given up hope of ever having, which there would be 194 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: very good reason that somebody in your situation would give 195 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: up hope and that you might have ended up either 196 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: executed or having taken your own life like so many 197 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: other people that you knew. Is that in two thousand 198 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: and three, fast forwarding God, this is twenty two years 199 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: since the original date. Right in two thousand and three, 200 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: a doctor named Edward Blake tested the gloves, fingernail scrapings, 201 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: and sperm that was found on inside of the victim, 202 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Missus Craig, and it was determined at that time all 203 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: of the DNA that was found was from the same 204 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: person and on July second of two thousand and three, 205 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: you were excluded as the source of any of that 206 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: biological material. And on September third, so this is now 207 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: another two months and a day later, your conviction was 208 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: vacated by the court. You became at that time at 209 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: the one hundred and fortieth DNA exoneration in America and 210 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: the thirteenth from death throat. I'm getting the chills when 211 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: as I say that, So, I mean, we have to 212 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: talk about that, right, What was that? 213 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: Like? You know? 214 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: I wish I could tell you it was something really big. 215 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: But the truth is I was still in prison until 216 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: January two thousand and four. The federal court gave Pennsylvania 217 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: the right to retry me as they would, and they 218 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: drug it out, and they drug it out, and it 219 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: kept going on. So in the end they botched my release. 220 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: After a week of telling me I was going home 221 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: on Monday, they came and told me, January eleventh, you're 222 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: going home, pack your stuff. We'll be back for you 223 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: in an hour. They didn't come back on what day 224 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: was that, January eleventh? 225 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: January eleven, two thousand and four. You're going home, pack 226 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: your stuff, getting out of here. 227 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: The whole argument was do we send them back to Florida? 228 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: Do we let them go? What do we do? What 229 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: do we do? What do we do? 230 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: So wait, you'd already been exonerated, so why in the 231 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: world did you have to go back to Florida. 232 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: It was a possibility that they would have to take 233 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: me back to Florida and release me there because Florida 234 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: still had that thirty five year sentence on me. So 235 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania had, of course dropped all the charges against me, 236 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: but they were in the process of negotiating with Florida, 237 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: at which time my lawyer filed an application to have 238 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: my sentence reduced because I was sentenced in Florida only 239 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: because I was an escapee and convicted of murder. Everybody 240 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: vacated their sentences. Everything's ready, but I'm dragging on the 241 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: whole time I'm sitting in a mental cell. They took 242 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: me out of prison and put me into a restricted 243 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: housing union meant for mentally impaired prisoners, because they rationalized 244 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: that because of all the things that they'd done to me, 245 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: I was going to kill one of them as soon 246 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: as my door opened up, And I swear to God 247 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: that's what they told me to my face. So meanwhile, 248 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: I'm waiting. January eleventh, they tell me I'm going home. 249 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: January twelfth, they told me the same thing. On January thirteenth, 250 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: I was shown a photograph of my mother in the 251 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: Delaware County newspaper holding up a photograph of me from 252 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: the previous day, saying where's my son? He was supposed 253 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: to be released on January fourteenth. That photograph was very 254 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: widely used in the Philadelphia area because January fifteenth, I 255 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: was told I was going home, but at five pm 256 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: that night they said it was too late. On January sixteenth, 257 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: two thousand and four, I packed up my belongings, said 258 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: goodbye to everybody, and I got in a van and 259 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: I drove out of the prison, only to be stopped 260 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: at the second barrier and told we made a mistake. 261 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: You have to go back. It was the testing moment 262 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: of testing moments in my life, and I handled it 263 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: with grace because I knew this was important. They put 264 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: me back into prison and they said, what can we 265 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: do for you? This has nothing to do with this. 266 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: We just simply have to get some paperwork from Florida 267 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: done and we will let you go. I said how long. 268 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: They said, what do you mean? I said, well, my 269 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: parents are across the street with all the assembled press. 270 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: How long do you think they're going to stand out 271 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: there in the snow. He said, no, no, no, no. 272 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: We told your parents. They're well aware of the situation. 273 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: They're not put off by this. They understand there's a lawyer. 274 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: This is crazy. Elliott Shirker, attorney at law, put a 275 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 3: lawyer on a plane in Fort Lauderdale and flew to Tallahassee, 276 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: Florida to have my parole papers stamped so I could 277 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: be released by one o'clock that day. That's the power 278 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 3: of having my wonderful attorney, Peter Goldberger, have that kind 279 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: of influence over friendships because he told people, look, my 280 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: client's innocent, but I need some help. So Elliott Shirker, 281 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: on his own dime, sends a lawyer by plane to 282 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 3: the state capitol, faxes the paperwork over, and at one 283 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: o'clock they let me out. The crazy thing is they 284 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: dropped all the charges. I was allowed to have my 285 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 3: conviction vacated, and then the state attorney appealed it and 286 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 3: got it reinstated. While I was in France speaking before 287 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 3: the League the Nationale and told that if I go 288 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: back to Florida that I can voluntarily resume my thirty 289 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: five your sentence there if I so choose. 290 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: So I guess it's fair to say you won't be 291 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: going to Florida anytime soon. 292 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm going to go to Florida and 293 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: commit any crimes. But I have been there to thank 294 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: Elliott Shirker. I went down there to thank that lawyer 295 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 3: to help me get free. And by the way, Jeff, 296 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: I think you're an amazing man. Thank you, thank you, 297 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: thank you. But I had this amazing gift given to 298 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: me by this Baptist preacher who was a sergeant in 299 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: the prison, and he came in and he spent these 300 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: two hours with me, and I'm telling you, man, he 301 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: made every officer on shift come and shake my hand. 302 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: Dudes were coming up to me and saying the same thing. 303 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: It's a hard job. Sorry, sometimes we have to hurt men. 304 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: But you're a good man, Nick. I respect you, thank 305 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: you for help. And other prisoners when they were down, 306 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, I'm growing, Like this is building me 307 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: up so much, Jason, that when I walked out of 308 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: that prison and got into the arms of my father. 309 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 3: I knew I didn't have a goddamn thing to say. 310 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: I walked up to the assembled media. I said, Walter 311 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: Ogrod and Ernie Simmons are two men in the prison 312 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: behind me. Can someone send some help for them? Thank you, 313 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: and goodbye. I knew everybody wouldn't listen to me. I 314 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: knew that they would think I was crazy if I 315 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: went on this big rant or anything. I did the 316 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: honorable thing. I said, we need a moratorium on the 317 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: death penalty, and I got some friends here, I'm going 318 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: to help. They didn't think I was serious. Only ten 319 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 3: months after my release, when I got set free, I 320 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: had no medical help nothing. I had to heal myself 321 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: with my parents' help. Ten months later, I'm in London 322 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: speaking in Parliament and Kofi Annan listens to me speak, 323 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: walks up to me and said, young men, you are 324 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 3: one of the finest speakers I've ever heard in my life. 325 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 3: Keep going. That was my empowerment when I realized that 326 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: this education I gave myself because I went well past 327 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: those five first books, I went crazy. I read all 328 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: of the world's religions so that I could have respect 329 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: for everyone's beliefs. I went out of my way to 330 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: read and read and read every possible thing about history 331 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: and our arts and sciences so I could be alive 332 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: to the world. What was the point if I got out? 333 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: So I even spent six years of my life studying 334 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: psychology so I could understand the principles of what I 335 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: would face. I am a human experiment of endurance, and 336 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: for some magical reason, I'm built for it. I took 337 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: this notion that I am everything I believed about myself 338 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: while there, and I've expounded upon it now to teaching 339 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: people about neuroplasticity, healing, the receptacle, and beautiful feeding frenzy. 340 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 3: Your brain gets from being polite. You having a meticulous 341 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: polite behavior is your own healing. Your brain absorbs all 342 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: of this neuron reciprocal healing from being nice. I didn't 343 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 3: understand any of this. All I knew is that on 344 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: the second day of my freedom, I had to go 345 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: to the hospital to pick my brother up who got 346 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: hit by a car. Because that's an alcoholic crossing the road. 347 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: He tended to get hit by cars. But my mother 348 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: sat me down and she said, NICKI do me a favor. 349 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: Please listen to what I'm about to say to you. 350 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: I need you to be a polite man so that 351 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 3: when you meet people, you say yes sir and no sir, 352 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: and yes ma'am and no ma'am. Because I want you 353 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: to show respect for this family, for what we've gone through. 354 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: Because I got something to tell you, Nick. For you 355 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: to get out of prison and not be a nice 356 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 3: man is a waste of every one of my prayers 357 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: and tears. Don't you dare let me down? Well, I 358 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 3: didn't know. This is the basis of neuroplasticity healing. If 359 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: you can think about this, your brain when you go 360 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 3: out and light up and smile has receptacles in it. 361 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: For you to go out and be gregariously nice and polite, 362 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: your brain is actually erasing the PTSD in your brain. 363 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 3: How is it that for the last hour or so, 364 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: I've been able to sit here and talk about things 365 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: that most people will be crushed by, and yet Jason 366 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 3: knows this. I'm probably the happiest I've been in my 367 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: life in the fifteen years of my freedom, so exponentially, 368 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: I've been able to take on this notion that I'm 369 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: an athlete, and as an athlete in training in neuroplasticity healing. 370 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: I am like an olympian. I have been doing this 371 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 3: so well for so long, with such a polite manner. 372 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: I am not affected by the stresses that deteriorate our brains, 373 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: cause heart attacks, stress, divorce. I don't have a need 374 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: for substance abuse because I don't have the fissure within 375 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 3: me that needs to be masked. I actually go around 376 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 3: and I teach people in the corporate world how to 377 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: empower themselves with kindness for the workforce to be the 378 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 3: utmost beautiful boss. I go around and teach students about 379 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: how their politeness makes them a better student, able to 380 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: absorb more from their own self respect. I go around 381 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: and I teach people how to handle fucked up shit. 382 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: Sorry for the language, but since I did Joe Rogan's podcast, 383 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: over a thousand people came to me and promised me 384 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: they would no longer be abusive and killing themselves. A 385 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: thousand men like dudes with the most broken hearted, damaged lives. 386 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: They come to me and they say, if you're doing 387 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 3: what you're doing in your because of it, I'm going 388 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: to do this. Just listening to you talk, I swear 389 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: to God changed my whole perspective. That too, is why 390 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: I'm doing this, Jason. I listened to your podcasts, and 391 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 3: the one thing that I really wanted to tell you, 392 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: I was so glad that you were alive to caring 393 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: about other species, not just humans. We can all feel 394 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: that empathy and we all try for that, but when 395 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 3: I saw that, you really likened it to your own happiness. 396 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: You're well on your way to having neuroplasticity healing in 397 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 3: your life. Whatever scars you've carried, you've already mastered them. 398 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: You're now this fountain of foundation and hope for other people. 399 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: You are now able to have a perspective that allows 400 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 3: you freedom, just like me. But Dude, the way you 401 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: go about it has been so different. This is why 402 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: I told you. You didn't have the earth dropped on 403 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: your head a couple of times to make you do this, 404 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: and for you to go out and make these efforts 405 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: with Brandon Deasy or all these other people. Man, I'm like, 406 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: why why is this? 407 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 2: Then? I get it. 408 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: You're already tuned into your own healing. You know what 409 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: the reward system in you is and why it's genuine 410 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: to you. You're not doing this to be famous. Jason. 411 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 3: I see the effort you made this week alone and 412 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: half the shit no one's even gonna know, are they? 413 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 3: But inside your brain is feeding off this man just 414 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 3: like me. It's profoundly making you a lovely person, someone 415 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 3: I've learned to really respect. You got the same message 416 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: as me, but we came about at different angles, brother, 417 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: and I'm here to just tell you that's all I want. 418 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: I want to go around and teach the kindness approach. 419 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: I want to go to schools and get students to 420 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 3: be amazing people. I want to have a purposeful life 421 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: like you. I just want to do good. I don't 422 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: care where it came from. 423 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: Thank you for the kind words. It's really humbling to 424 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: hear those coming from you. I recognize, you know in myself. 425 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: You know, I call it selfish altruism because I know 426 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: that I feel really sort of tuned in, or however 427 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: you would say it. You know, when I'm able to 428 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: bring some hope to a hopeless place to a person 429 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: who needs it, sometimes even able to effectuate real change, 430 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: bring somebody home, maybe help them after they get out, 431 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: it's an unbelievably rewarding thing. You know, It's funny when 432 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: I meet somebody, a stranger, and we're talking wherever it 433 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: might be, and they hear me talk what do you do? 434 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: I talk about my living, how I make a living, 435 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: this and that, and then I say, well, but I 436 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: also work on this other and you know, after a 437 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: few minutes to say, you know, your voice changed, like 438 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: you become so much more animated when you talk about 439 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: this other work. Yeah, yeah, so I think I've Yeah, 440 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We came and you know, I had 441 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: this revelation Nick. It was about a couple of years ago. 442 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: I was leaving Buckingham Correctional in Virginia somewhere, and it 443 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: was about an hour and forty minutes from Richmond, you know, 444 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: some maximum security prison, and I was visiting a couple 445 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: of innocent guys there, Yen Zurring and Tim Wright with 446 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: the legal team, and trying to you know, help them 447 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: in any way that I could. I spent three very 448 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: focused hours, really you know, dialed in of course there's 449 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: no phones in, there's no distractions. And also it's when 450 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: I feel most useful. So I walked out. It was 451 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: maybe late winter, early spring, and I walked out of 452 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: this prison through the yard and then out the doors 453 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: and it was about forty degrees and so sleep a 454 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: little bit outside whether it wasn't very nice at all, 455 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: And I had this momentary revelation and I said, Wow, 456 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: there's no place I'd rather be in, nothing i'd rather 457 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: be doing. You know, I'm no saint, you know, so 458 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound like that. And 459 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: I wish for everyone that you find something that gets 460 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: you to that place. It's so many people doing such 461 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: amazing things in the world, in so many different areas. 462 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's people that make my efforts look like 463 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: a drop in the ocean. But I'm grateful to be 464 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: a part of the movement and to be able to 465 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: make a difference whenever I can, and to be able 466 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: to spend time with people like you, honestly is the 467 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: great reward. 468 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: This is what I think a lot of people don't 469 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 3: really get. You throw out so much love and effort 470 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: for everyone else. Give it to you, give it to 471 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: you as well, and when you do it shines. I mean, 472 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: it's you. 473 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: See. 474 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: I'll always carry my scars as a noble approach to 475 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 3: my toll in life that I have to pay. And 476 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: one of the tolls I'll never stop paying for is 477 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 3: to fight for missus Craig. When I got out, I 478 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: was in a documentary called After Innocence with Phil Donahue 479 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: and Barry Shack and all them, and they filmed me 480 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: going to the courthouse fighting to get the DNA to 481 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: catch a killer. I recognize my wrong. So if I'm 482 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: willing to do that effort like that for my wrongs, 483 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: I should have some of that effort for my right. 484 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: We're not willing to do that without that ego blast 485 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: bothering us about it, and that's wrong. My mother told me, 486 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: when you go somewhere and you want to show people 487 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: that you show respect for yourself, dress up nicely, make 488 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: yourself feel good, show that you care about yourself, because 489 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: that is a good example for when you go before 490 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: someone to show them respect, you shown yourself enough care, 491 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: enough wisdom to know that you care about yourself. And 492 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: the reason that we should care about ourselves in this 493 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 3: way is people who trust us and rely on us 494 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: need us to know we're not just loving and strong 495 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 3: for them, but for ourselves. It's that weakness about us 496 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: that makes people apprehensive that will he capitulate? Will you 497 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 3: give up? And we can't allow that. So I work 498 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: very hard to find that perspective that if I can 499 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: love myself to craft a deaf speech when I yet 500 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: know justs like today, I'm living under a death sentence 501 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 3: every day anyway, I don't know when it's gonna be Jason. 502 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: The city's so chaotic. Me and you could get taken 503 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: up by a taxi, caab, a bicyclist. We could die 504 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 3: of choking on a pretzel. These are all realities today, right. 505 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: After all you've been through. Are you scared of a pretzel? 506 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, Hey, you joke. But I used to have 507 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 3: a phobia because I watch the man choked to death 508 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: in a prison cell because the guards thought he was 509 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: tricking them and let him die. So there you go. 510 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: So but the truth is that I realize that if 511 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: every day I'm living with a death sentence, that I 512 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 3: should not waste this last day with anger and stupid resentment. 513 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: I have a really unique situation in which I have 514 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: now a major motion picture being made about my life. 515 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm on pins and needles this week because a very 516 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: famous actor and his agent have been watching the latest 517 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: work of my director, and it's a possibility this lovely 518 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: man would say yes to playing me as the lead role, 519 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: and I know that would change things. I've recently gone 520 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 3: through a spate of jobs trying to find any kind 521 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: of employment in the area I am. I'm actually currently unemployed, 522 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: and I recognize that it doesn't matter. I know myself 523 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: to know I have talent and a bit and I'll 524 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: bounce back. I've been trying to develop a television show 525 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 3: based on what's happening now with my friend Walter, who 526 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: I mentioned you see. One of the great pleasures of 527 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: having come here to meet you is yesterday at the 528 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 3: San Francisco Airport, the Philadelphia District Attorney's office called me personally, 529 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: and the man that I spoke to told me he 530 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: was very proud of me for the efforts I made, 531 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: and it was one of the reasons he joined a 532 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: district attorney's integrity unit. It touched me that he couldn't 533 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: break protocol and tell me information about my friend Walter's 534 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: case and the hearing that's coming up next month, but 535 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: he wanted me to know that there's good people in 536 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: that office willing to do the right thing, and that 537 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: I shouldn't be worried. And I told him the only 538 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: reason I rang was because I didn't want to embarrass 539 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 3: his office by going on this podcast and giving me 540 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: out wrong information and lamenting their efforts when I don't know. 541 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: So I do know my friend has the DNA evidence back. 542 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: It does not match him. I can't say more than that. 543 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm precluded from saying anything. But they did do DNA 544 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: evidence in Walter Ogrod's case and they're now waiting for 545 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 3: his hearing next month and he should be. 546 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: Released, amen man, and we'll be there for him with 547 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: the support that he needs when he gets out. 548 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: Anybody wishing to know about Walter Ogrod, you can look 549 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: up Death Row Stories, season three, episode four. I gave 550 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: up my opportunity to be on this show so that 551 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 3: they could tell his story. Jigsaw Productions did a great 552 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 3: work and that was what led to the Philadelphia District 553 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: Attorney's Office investigating's Walter's case. 554 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: That's Death Row Story season three, episode four. It's Walter 555 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: Ogrid Ogrod. Please do check it out, and he's going 556 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: to need a lot of support when he gets out. 557 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: And we'll be publishing that information on the Rofel Conviction 558 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: website and I'll be putting it on my social media 559 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: of course. 560 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: It's Jason flum Nick. 561 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: For people who are listening now, and you've had a 562 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: remarkable journey since you've been out. You had the one 563 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: of them most listened to episodes ever of the Joe 564 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: Rogan podcast. I think your episode will be one of 565 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: the most listened to of this podcast. For people who 566 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: want to get in touch with you, to book you 567 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: for doing speaking gigs or come and give a teaching 568 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. 569 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 3: Usually social media works best Facebook page. I'm on Twitter, Instagram, 570 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 3: nick Yarris. 571 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: That's nick Y a r rs, that's nick Yarris ya 572 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: r r s. 573 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: And of course it's nic k right. 574 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: I also have nick Yarris dot Org my website, and 575 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 3: I have a really sincere platform. I try and go 576 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 3: around and talk to either university students, school students, or 577 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 3: I do a corporate and I try and focus on 578 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 3: two things, either the neuroplasticity, but I also cover media, 579 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 3: and I also cover one of the best fields of all, 580 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 3: which is our penology and how we need the work 581 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: to change our penology. And one of the great passions 582 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: that I have personally is I want to see a 583 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: change for prison officers. They have the highest mortality rates, 584 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 3: the highest divorce rates the highest rates of alcohol abuse 585 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 3: in our services. Imagine Jason, all the hards these men 586 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: have to live with, and then they see me go free. 587 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 3: One of the heartbreaking things is a man who stomped me, 588 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: and I mean stomp the shit out of me for escaping, 589 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 3: wrote me an email, said, dear miss Yerris, I got 590 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 3: your email from one of your lawyers in nineteen eighty seven. 591 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 3: I beat the shit out of you for escaping for 592 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: death row, and I thought you were a scumbag piece 593 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 3: of shit, and I have to live with that. I'm sorry. 594 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: So I want to see that prison officers are giving 595 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: at least a two year course in psychology so they 596 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: don't become abusive, and that they don't kill themselves. Because 597 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 3: everything that I got good came from that officer, he said, Boy, 598 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 3: go in a cell. I promise you, if you read 599 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 3: these books, you won't be angry. I can't stop thinking 600 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: about that gift. I watched eleven men kill themselves. I 601 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 3: watched as they burned the buildings around me during the 602 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine riot. I had a prison officers try 603 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 3: to use different serial killers to kill me. Over a 604 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: three year period. I've endured so many horrors. I think 605 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to lead them in prison and take the 606 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 3: good home with me. 607 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's it in a nutshell, isn't it. And yeah, 608 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I think that we need to 609 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: do a much better job training the people who are 610 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: there to protect the rehabilitate, and of course monitor the 611 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: people who are in our prison system. Of course, we 612 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: need to decarcerate this nation a two point three million. 613 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: We are not the most evil people in the world. 614 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: We don't. 615 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 3: Our fourth largest industry is penology, right, that's. 616 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: Crazy, eighty something billion dollarstry. And the fact is that 617 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: obviously there's some correction officers who will do very, very 618 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: bad things. There's also a lot of them to do 619 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: good and women. 620 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 3: Let's give it up. There's so many good men and women. 621 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 3: And I love you for Look if you left prison 622 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 3: today as a prison officer, and you dealt with the 623 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 3: insanity of a man who mentally ill or somebody did 624 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 3: something to you, please don't bring it home. I left 625 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 3: everything in prison. Please do the same thing. 626 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say too, that you know the 627 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: fact that our prison conditions are so terrible affects the 628 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: men and women who are there very nobly serving in 629 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: a very difficult environment. That doesn't mean that they should 630 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: be subjected to prisons that don't have air conditioning alongside 631 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: the prisoners, that they should be subjected to mold that 632 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: we have in so many prisons now as the major 633 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: scandals in Florida and other places, the mold affects everybody 634 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: that works. 635 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 3: Remember the TV. I remember at one point tuberculosis was 636 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 3: in seventy percent of prisons. That's not made up like 637 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 3: they had seventy percent infection rates in life out of 638 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 3: these county jails because they're overcrowding. 639 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: So as a country, we need to do a much 640 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 1: better job. This is America, it's twenty nineteen. Come on, everybody. Well, Nick, 641 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: all I can say is it's been an extraordinary experience 642 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: for me getting to spend this time with you. We're 643 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: going to go to dinner later. I hope you'll come 644 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: to dinner with absolutely. 645 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 3: I want chicken parmers on it. 646 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 2: You want chicken farm, that's what you'll get. 647 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: I'm a vegan. I'll get you whatever you want. But 648 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: that's again, You're an amazing man. You're you're a hero 649 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: to me and so many other people. I'm glad you're here. 650 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: We need more like you, and we need more of you. 651 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 3: I'll bring over with me, and I promise you this, Jason, 652 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 3: for your efforts, I won't let you down now that 653 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 3: we've made a bond. I promise you a I won't capitulate, 654 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 3: I won't kill myself, I won't quit, and I'll always 655 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 3: be a respectful, kind and dignified person as best that 656 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 3: I'm able to, so that you're never embarrassed by me. 657 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: I mean, because I think a lot of us forget 658 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 3: you and I come together on this principled effort. But 659 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 3: for me to then forget that it would be a 660 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 3: terrible loss. So I tell everyone, if you believe in 661 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 3: me and you've given me your time, I promise you 662 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 3: no one will ever work harder to show gratitude. And dude, 663 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: I ain't gonna let you down. I ain't gonna quit. 664 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be there like you and just ride this out. Man. 665 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 3: I had this fascinating thing happened to me when I 666 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 3: first got out. I came here to New York City 667 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 3: and I was interviewed by Jennifer Garnerman of the Village Voice. 668 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,479 Speaker 3: At the conclusion of our interview, like we're doing now. 669 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 3: She put down her pen and she said, Nick, you 670 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 3: do know you're living one of the greatest stories ever. 671 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 3: I leaned over to the table to her. I said, 672 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 3: it's just begun. And it's true. In the fifteen years 673 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 3: of my freedom, things have been a rocket ride. Jay. 674 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 3: But I've held on to the principles that A I 675 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 3: had no business getting out if I wasn't looking for good, 676 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 3: and B as long as I'm willing to believe in 677 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 3: the good of others, I think I'm going to find 678 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 3: people like you waiting. And thank you for letting me 679 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 3: earn your respect. That matters to me. 680 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Man, Amen, brother, Thank you again, Nick Yaris. You can 681 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: find him at what's Theosocial mediak. 682 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 3: Garis dot org or Nick Yaris on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 683 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: Reach out to Nick follow him on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, 684 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: bring him in for a speech. You've heard the man's 685 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: voice now, it's always different, it's always amazing. So listeners 686 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: to the show know that this is the time when 687 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: I usually go to closing arguments and just leave my 688 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: mic off and leave yours on. But you have already 689 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: dropped so many incredible pearls of wisdom, and so many 690 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: beautiful sayings. I'm just going to go home and have 691 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: a good cry and then get energized and go out 692 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 1: and make as much of a change as I possibly can. 693 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 2: And I'm going to do it in your name. 694 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 3: So thank you, fucking badass boy, badass, thank. 695 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: You, Thank you for listening. This has been a wild 696 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,479 Speaker 1: ride for me and I hope you enjoyed it. Thank 697 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: you for listening to Wrongful Conviction. 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